Re: Not sharing address book templates
Hello Leonard, There does not seem to be an option to create a second address book for her account with different templates. Also, double entries for these friends with different display names, even if it will do the job, will be confusing. I don't have version 2.12 at hand which you seem to be using, but my two daughters are sharing a single 1.62 installation and each has their own account with their own address book. So, if it is possible in 1.62 it should be possible in 2.12. Aside of creating the 2 address books there must be an option in account Properties where you select which AB is default for each account. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.62.14 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Not sharing address book templates
Hello Leonard, On Friday, December 2, 2005, 6:58:45 AM, MAU wrote: M Aside of creating the 2 address books there must be an option in account M Properties where you select which AB is default for each account. Bingo! I found the option. Now to set it up. Many thanks. Leonard You should have replied in TBUDL so everyone else knows that your problem has been solved -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.62.14 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Not sharing address book templates
Hello Miguel A. Urech everyone else, on 02-Dez-2005 at 17:34 you (Miguel A. Urech) wrote: Bingo! I found the option. Now to set it up. Many thanks. You should have replied in TBUDL so everyone else knows that your problem has been solved Maybe we should post the answer here anyway? 1. set up a new address book for your wife 2. in the account properties for the wife's account, set the default addressbook to be the new one you just created :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Man is still the best computer that we can put aboard a spacecraft - and the only one that can be mass-produced with unskilled labor. -- Wernher von Braun Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Not sharing address book templates
Hello Alexander, Maybe we should post the answer here anyway? 1. set up a new address book for your wife 2. in the account properties for the wife's account, set the default addressbook to be the new one you just created :-) Yes, of course :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.62.14 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Not sharing address book templates
My wife and I use the same computer and the same instance of TheBat. It wasn't always this way, but for the obvious reasons, I created a second account for her. In most New Message, Reply and Forward templates, for the signature, I have used the macros %FROMNAME or %FROMFNAME. However, for personal friends, I have typed my nickname as a literal. Since many of these friends are mutual friends, when my wife sends and e-mail note or replies to one or forwards one to one of our friends, the message includes my nickname that she needs to change manually. There does not seem to be an option to create a second address book for her account with different templates. Also, double entries for these friends with different display names, even if it will do the job, will be confusing. So, for those cases where the template uses my nickname, how can my wife steer clear or have her name or her %FROMFNAME (she has no nickname that I have discovered during the past 49+ years that I have known her)? Thanks. Leonard S. Berkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] TheBat version 2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Not sharing address book templates
Hello Leonard, On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:00:46 -0500 GMT (02/12/2005, 04:00 +0700 GMT), Leonard S. Berkowitz wrote: LSB So, for those cases where the template uses my nickname, how can my LSB wife steer clear or have her name or her %FROMFNAME (she has no LSB nickname that I have discovered during the past 49+ years that I have LSB known her)? For all your computer and TB know, there is only one user. How can it tell the two of you apart? -- Cheers, Thomas. I live in my own little world, but it's ok, they know me here. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: Cut mark (was: Not sharing address book templates)
On Thursday, December 1, 2005, 5:33:32 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists MDP of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. MDP This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without MDP the signature and list footers since everything below and including MDP the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. Sorry about that. I created a new template based on what I saw on the web site and forgot the two dashes. Leonard Leonard S. Berkowitz -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sending mails from other applications / address book templates not working
On Fri 26-Nov-04 11:57am -0600, Ralph wrote: @Friday, November 26, 2004, 17:58 you wrote: Your app call can always specify any template you like. How do i accomplish that? For example, my new mail template for my family AB group is: %include=c:\data\TheBat\New_AB_Family.qt%- If I want to use that template with /MAIL, I would simply add the parameter T=c:\data\TheBat\New_AB_Family.qt -- Best regards, Bill Beta 3.0.2.8 Pro BayesIt! 0.7.5 X-Ray 1.0.1.2 XMP 0.9.6 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sending mails from other applications / address book templates not working
Hello Bill McCarthy, @Saturday, November 27, 2004, 21:19 you wrote: For example, my new mail template for my family AB group is: %include=c:\data\TheBat\New_AB_Family.qt%- If I want to use that template with /MAIL, I would simply add the parameter T=c:\data\TheBat\New_AB_Family.qt thanx for your efforts. But i'm relatively new to TB! and i can't make any use of your information. Maybe, you can explain that a little more to me? -- Regards, Ralph The Bat! 3.0.1.33 Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sending mails from other applications / address book templates not working
Hello, when i send mails with TB! from other apps like eg. acdsee 7, the adress book templates don't work in that specific mail. i mean, i select the addresse which should change the mail text corresponding to it's template, but it doesn't do anything. any workaround for that? -- Regards, Ralph The Bat! 3.0.1.33 Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sending mails from other applications / address book templates not working
On Fri 26-Nov-04 5:39am -0600, Ralph wrote: when i send mails with TB! from other apps, the adress book templates don't work According to the docs, if you don't specify a template to use, it is the standard template of the target folder or the target account. Your app call can always specify any template you like. If that's not adequate for you, mail a wish list request. -- Best regards, Bill Beta 3.0.2.8 Pro BayesIt! 0.7.5 X-Ray 1.0.1.2 XMP 0.9.6 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sending mails from other applications / address book templates not working
Hello Bill McCarthy, @Friday, November 26, 2004, 17:58 you wrote: On Fri 26-Nov-04 5:39am -0600, Ralph wrote: when i send mails with TB! from other apps, the adress book templates don't work According to the docs, if you don't specify a template to use, it is the standard template of the target folder or the target account. thanx for your help. But what i don't understand is, when the new mail is open, the template doesn't change, even if i select the proper addresse, that has a certain template, it isn't used?! Your app call can always specify any template you like. How do i accomplish that? -- Regards, Ralph The Bat! 3.0.1.33 Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: address book templates
Hello Terry, On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:16:18 -0800 GMT (31/10/02, 04:16 +0700 GMT), Terry G. Munson wrote: The reply and forward templates do not do anything. Have you clicked on Use a specific template...? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. George Best (Englische Nationalmannschaft 1966): Ich habe viel von meinem Geld fuer Alkohol, Weiber und schnelle Autos ausgegeben. Den Rest habe ich einfach verprasst. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: address book templates
Hi Thomas Have you clicked on Use a specific template...? I have a check at use group-specific template for replies in the group properties. On the properties of the individuals in the group address book there is no check in use a specific template for replies. Thanks Terry Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: address book templates
Hallo Terry, On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:16:18 -0800GMT (30-10-02, 22:16 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: TGM If I receive a message from an individual in this group and try to TGM reply to or forward the message the templates do not function. Do these addresses also belong to another group? (with or without reply or forwarding templates) Do the addresses that cause problems have multiple entries in your address book? Is there something special about the templates you use? Lately we had a thread about some header macros not always working as you'd suspect. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: address book templates
Hi Roelof, Do these addresses also belong to another group? (with or without reply or forwarding templates) I edited all the address so they are only in one group. Do the addresses that cause problems have multiple entries in your address book? Removed all multiple entries. Is there something special about the templates you use? I have reduced the templates to a very basic form to find something that works...the following is the reply template. %QINCLUDE=intro%CURSOR %QINCLUDE=sig %QINCLUDE=system None the preceeding has made a difference. Thanks Terry Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
address book templates
Hi, I have setup templates for a group (BaseCase) in my address book. The only template that seems to work is the new message template. The reply and forward templates do not do anything. If I receive a message from an individual in this group and try to reply to or forward the message the templates do not function. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Terry mailto:tgmunson;frontiernet.net Using the Bat! 1.61 under Windows 2000 Service Pack 1 2195 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folder Templates over Address Book Templates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, August 08, 2002, Thomas F. wrote... JA If not, is there any way to stop the TBUDL filter from adding my JA email address to the TB Lists group? I don't have a TB lists group. I have an AB entry (with templates) for this list address. What do you need a TB lists group for? I have a group so that I use the same templates for all the TB lists, and anybody (if they wished) that contact me offlist. Saves trying to setup templates for each user/list etc as they all use the same template. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt iQA/AwUBPVLISyuD6BT4/R9zEQK6ugCg63qeV5L4oMm3tTQDW/ndmjuM3fEAoMjb l7Z0jferjNTfJzUtKFjg+dG1 =zdHj -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folder Templates over Address Book Templates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, August 08, 2002, Marck D Pearlstone wrote... JA If not, is there any way to stop the TBUDL filter from adding my JA email address to the TB Lists group? Yes. Oh, you wanted to know how? g. The filter that adds the addresses needs to use the Address is not present condition on the Advanced tab. Add your address to a special exemption group and point the condition at that. That way the filter won't add your address. That makes sense... silly I didn't notice it before. I thought I'd setup TB! so that it didn't add it if the user was already there, but I guess I missed that. Thanks for the pointer :) Of course, you may also need to split the filter so that it is a two pass filter, the first pass adding addresses to the list and the second moving the message to the appropriate folder. Why would I need to split it up? I don't see any need for two filters as TB! can handle the double action (or even more actions) at the same time. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt iQA/AwUBPVLJ0CuD6BT4/R9zEQJzVACeLAUs4hSbZHApsQSLQ01qyO/CuicAoP+A JYMJIwkhS7uFQ5pF9buv9uUt =GSaL -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folder Templates over Address Book Templates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, August 08, 2002, Jonathan Angliss wrote... Why would I need to split it up? I don't see any need for two filters as TB! can handle the double action (or even more actions) at the same time. And I just found out why... g... when setting the exemptions list, it makes the whole filter exempt if something matches in the exemption list. Today has been a long day... will split up the filters.. again thanks for the pointer :) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt iQA/AwUBPVLLCyuD6BT4/R9zEQKZgACghAQ+qEmshJ4rDUzo6X0cr/VeNLcAnApm PLewfuafbw+gfTU/Ec/pNw69 =7gqM -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Address Book Templates
Hi all, I am using an AB template with the macro %TOFNAME, however when a new e-mail is created TB doesn't use the first name field in the AB, it uses the first word in the display name as field. Surely this is not the correct behaviour? I change many display name fileds to sort within groups but this has messed things up a bit! Thanks in advance for any assistance. Pat Gilbert mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using the Bat! v1.60c on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Address Book Templates
ON Tuesday, April 16, 2002, 8:42:20 AM, you wrote: PG Hi all, PG I am using an AB template with the macro %TOFNAME, however when a new PG e-mail is created TB doesn't use the first name field in the AB, it PG uses the first word in the display name as field. Surely this is not PG the correct behaviour? Hi Pat, You want to use %AbToFirstName if you want the send TO the FirstName from the Address Book (AB). Better yet use the one below: %AbToFirstName=:%ToFName:%AbToFirstName This will check for an entry in the address book and uses it if present. If not it uses the first word of the display name. Hope this helps. -- Best regards, Gerard Insert Cookie Here-- When an elephant is in trouble, even a frog will kick him. - Hindu Proverb - Using The Bat! v1.60c on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Address Book Templates
Hi Gerard, Hi Pat, You want to use %AbToFirstName if you want the send TO the FirstName from the Address Book (AB). Better yet use the one below: %AbToFirstName=:%ToFName:%AbToFirstName Many thanks for the info, I quickly worked out how to add the %IF statement. However I have noticed that on the AB entry I tried it on I got the first name of a different AB entry! It appears that the macro works for unique e-mail addresses but if you have separate entries for people with the same address (as recommended by TB), then it seems to take the first name of the person who has the same address but comes earlier in its internal database! Is this a bug? or am I missing something again (not unheard of!). Thanks Pat Gilbert mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using the Bat! v1.60c on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Address Book Templates
Good evening Pat, It was foretold that on 16-4-2002 @ 10:42:20 GMT+0400 (which was 8:42:20 where I live) Pat Gilbert wrote and spread these wise comments on Address Book Templates: snipped a bit PG I am using an AB template with the macro %TOFNAME, however when a new PG e-mail is created TB doesn't use the first name field in the AB, it PG uses the first word in the display name as field. Surely this is not PG the correct behaviour? Have you set it up like this: %ABtoFIRSTNAME=%TOFNAME It works for me. -- Best regards, Lucmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.60c with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 and using the best browser: Opera. I will not eat oysters. I want my food dead. Not sick, not wounded, dead. - Woody Allen - US film-maker and comedian Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Address book templates
Carren, On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, at 22:15:28 [GMT +1300] (which was 14:45 where I live) you wrote: C It no longer appears in the address book C templates tabs but obviously *does* exist somewhere or otherwise TB! C would not be able to keep resurrecting it! Have you checked the folder-properties-template Have you checked the Account-properties-template If the address is in a group by itself the check the address book group -properties-templates -- Warm regards, Raj mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] How come they choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America? Replied on Wednesday, November 14, 2001 using TB Ver 1.54/10 on Windows NT -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[3]: Address book templates
Carren, On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, at 15:47:20 [GMT +1300] (which was 08:17 where I live) you wrote: C Are these set by default as I had no idea they were even there! :-) TB comes with a basic account level template. Having seen one you can make out from mails how many have not bothered to change the templates. Check out Marck's FAQ pages on what can be done with templates http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/samples.html -- Warm regards, Raj mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The more you complain, the longer God makes you live. Replied on Thursday, November 15, 2001 using TB Ver 1.54/10 on Windows NT -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Address Book Templates (was: Re: PGP keys automation running amok?)
Hi Marck, Historians believe that Tue, 3 Jul 2001 at 11:14 GMT +0100 was when, Marck D Pearlstone [MP] typed the following: snip MP I have a pet hate in TB. That pet hate is named Folder Templates. The only thing I would add is that folder level templates are dangerous when people use the %TO, %CC or %BCC macros. But I think you alluded to that point. MP In 150 folders I have two and only two that have folder templates. MP They are for two specific lists which don't set the reply address MP properly. Could you eliminate even those two folder level templates with some creative filtering and batch files? What I was thinking is: Create a new address book with two groups (one for each list). You can customize the group templates as you see fit. Now exit TB and copy this blank AB to a safe location. Now have your filters automatically add the sender to the appropriate group. Of course this means that your address book is going to fill up rather quickly. To compensate, every couple of days, you can overwrite the full AB with the blank backup. With a two line script and Windows Task Scheduler, it should be a fairly easy task. It seems to me, this would be just as effective as folder level templates, and slightly safer too. Just a thought. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.53bis under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Personal Plan: To avoid sanity, lucidity and wit at all costs. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Address Book Templates
Hello Jan, Monday, April 16, 2001, 12:49:47 AM, you wrote: JR This may clarify any confusion you might have: TB! usese the JR following precedence: JR 1) entry in AB JR 2) group in AB JR 3) folder JR 4) account JR i.e. the first thing TB! looks @ is a single AB entry template, failing JR that it will look @ an AB group template, etc. So this may give JR you an idea of how TB! works in this case. Yes I understand. If I give a person individual templates, templates for groups will never be used for that person. And if a person is member of several groups, it uses the template in the group that comes first on the list. I am not sure if I like this way of doing things. For me sending to a group is different from sending individual mails, and I think group specific templates should be used only when I have the group name in the To: field. But I can understand that many users may have other requirements. That groups are beeing used to arrange contacts in groups with similar templates, not for group sending. Perhaps there could be a choice, a tick box with: "Shall individual members inherit group templates?" Well the problem is not big. I can type this line in these messages. Or I can use a Quick template. -- Best regards, Ottar Grimstad, Norway mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.online.no/~ottgrims Using The Bat! 1.51 on Windows 98 version 4,10 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Address Book Templates
Hello Allie, Monday, April 16, 2001, 4:37:23 AM, you wrote: ACM If he put a macro that would dynamically fill in the recipient ACM name in his address book group template then he would be OK. Is it possible to have macros with conditional excecution? IF To: field contain listname then DO this ELSE do that -- Best regards, Ottar Grimstad, Norway mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.online.no/~ottgrims Using The Bat! 1.51 on Windows 98 version 4,10 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Address Book Templates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:06:15 +0200, Ottar thoughtfully wrote the following: OG If I give a person individual templates, templates for groups will OG never be used for that person. This isn't entirely true. If you have a group of addresses with group templates defined and you create a new message for the group, the address book group template will be used and sent to each member of the group even if entries in the group have specific templates defined. To create the group message, open the address book, select the desired group and hit Ctrl+enter or you can right click the group and from the menu select New = New Message. OG And if a person is member of several groups, it uses the template in OG the group that comes first on the list. Yes. The rules you stated above apply to when writing to an individual who has templates defined in the address book. OG I am not sure if I like this way of doing things. For me sending to a OG group is different from sending individual mails, and I think group OG specific templates should be used only when I have the group name in OG the To: field. Hmmm. I just tried this and note that the group specific template isn't invoked by typing in the group name and then tabbing ones way into the message body sub-window. Templates for individuals are invoked this way but apparently not for groups. OG But I can understand that many users may have other requirements. That OG groups are beeing used to arrange contacts in groups with similar OG templates, not for group sending. Perhaps there could be a choice, a OG tick box with: "Shall individual members inherit group templates?" Interesting option you're proposing there. :=) Makes sense. OG Well the problem is not big. I can type this line in these messages. OG Or I can use a Quick template. Yes. This is the work around or what I mentioned above. - -- Allie, -= A. Curtis Martin =- List Moderator (and fellow end-user) The Bat! v1.52 Beta/4 \\// Win2k (SP1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build/04.. Comment: PGP Key ID: 0x57C9EB602B0717E2 (Sealed for security). iQA/AwUBOtrGmVfJ62ArBxfiEQLiigCeKS0OkY8nOUKWxjgi6cGOwDHCEyYAoJGZ fD2j4oiCUrc4j+UAUvkckWMI =vOzX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Address Book Templates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:09:52 +0200, Ottar contributed this to our collective wisdom: ACM If he put a macro that would dynamically fill in the recipient name ACM in his address book group template then he would be OK. OG Is it possible to have macros with conditional excecution? OG IF To: field contain listname then DO this ELSE do that I think this is possible with the use of a conditional regex macro and quick templates. Are you subscribed to TBTECH? You could ask this one of Januk that lurks that list. :=) My regex macro creation abilities aren't that well honed. - -- Allie, -= A. Curtis Martin =- List Moderator (and fellow end-user) The Bat! v1.52 Beta/4 \\// Win2k (SP1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build/04.. Comment: PGP Key ID: 0x57C9EB602B0717E2 (Sealed for security). iQA/AwUBOtrHUVfJ62ArBxfiEQIwrwCgg58UvJRiHSO3tynOTG/SrQZ02KsAoJjw w4yg87Sb4YyNXt8NHO3b0poB =Kv+j -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Address Book Templates
Hello Thomas, On Sunday, April 15, 2001 10:11:13 [ +0800 GMT], you wrote the following in regards to 'Address Book Templates': Thomas [...] If the word after Thomas "Hello " does not look like a first name, I take the trouble and go to Thomas the bottom of the original mail and fill in the appropriate first name Thomas manually; even if I reply relatively often to that person. How many Thomas messages per month is "often" anyway. Thomas What is wrong with that? For me it's a matter of politeness to use the Thomas name of the person, and a matter of laziness that I don't create AB Thomas entries for everyone. [...] Obviously nothing is wrong with you but I don't think this is an either/or situation. TB! helps by automating the *majority* of my email correspondence but not *all* my correspondence. I quite agree with your assessment of the human's responsibility in the process. I also do what you describe. In fact I have a clipreply QT which replaces an address greeting address quotestyle with whatever is in my clipboard - presumably the person's name which I've taken from the original post (assuming that person's name is not in my AB). So I feel TB! offers me the best of both worlds. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA Using TB! v1.51 ICQ 41116329 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Address Book Templates
Hello TBUDL: I have been advised not to use folder templates, but instead use address boook templates, so I have experimented a little with these. It seem that if I have made a template for a Address Book Group, that template will be used also for individual mails to members of this list. For instance, I have a group for members on the board on an organisation I am member of, and start my message template with: "To the members of the board", but then this message appears also on more private mails to individual members of this board. Have I misunderstood again? Is making a folder for messages to the board, and using a folder template the only way to achieve what I want (one template for group mails to all members of the board, and another for individual messages)? -- Best regards, Ottar Grimstad, Norway mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.online.no/~ottgrims Using The Bat! 1.51 on Windows 98 version 4,10 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Address Book Templates
Hello Ottar, On Sunday, April 15, 2001 22:40:15 [ +0200 GMT], you wrote the following in regards to 'Address Book Templates': Ottar I have been advised not to use folder templates, but instead use Ottar address boook templates, so I have experimented a little with these. Ottar It seem that if I have made a template for a Address Book Group, Ottar that template will be used also for individual mails to members of Ottar this list. Ottar For instance, I have a group for members on the board on an Ottar organisation I am member of, and start my message template with: "To Ottar the members of the board", but then this message appears also on Ottar more private mails to individual members of this board. Ottar Have I misunderstood again? This may clarify any confusion you might have: TB! usese the following precedence: 1) entry in AB 2) group in AB 3) folder 4) account i.e. the first thing TB! looks @ is a single AB entry template, failing that it will look @ an AB group template, etc. So this may give you an idea of how TB! works in this case. Ottar Is making a folder for messages to -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA Using TB! v1.51 ICQ 41116329 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Address Book Templates
Hi Jan, On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:49:47 -0400GMT (16/04/2001, 06:49 +0800GMT), Jan Rifkinson wrote: JR TB! usese the following precedence: This is correct. But with all the hype about the templates, I don't know why people rely on software more than on their human ability to decide things. An example of what I mnean: Some members of this group don't use their first names in their email addresses, or haven't set their real names in account properties, and thus will not be addressed as "Hello Name". You can either choose to leave it as "Hello Email-username" or create an AB entry for this individual. I do neither: whenever I reply to a message, I actually read my reply before I hit send. If the word after "Hello " does not look like a first name, I take the trouble and go to the bottom of the original mail and fill in the appropriate first name manually; even if I reply relatively often to that person. How many messages per month is "often" anyway. What is wrong with that? For me it's a matter of politeness to use the name of the person, and a matter of laziness that I don't create AB entries for everyone. Oh, and when I check the word after "Hello ", I also look at the TO, CC and BCC fields; therefore I have no problems with folder templates. I know too much about computers to dare to rely on them. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.51 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Address Book Templates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:11:13 +0800, Thomas thoughtfully wrote the following: JR TB! usese the following precedence: T This is correct. But with all the hype about the templates, I don't T know why people rely on software more than on their human ability to T decide things. You seem to be confusing automation here with decision making. I decide what I wish to do and then set TB! up to do what I wish it to do for me, not what I wish it to decide for me. If I can automate doing what I *repeatedly* want to do then I'll do so. This is what templates are about and what forms the basis behind the well deserved hype behind them. :=) Templates do not decide anything for the user. They simply output text and text macros as you set them up to do. Templates offer a great way to automate but they do have their limitations. Ottar's problem uncovers one such limitation, that's all. If he put a macro that would dynamically fill in the recipient name in his address book group template then he would be OK. However, he has defined a fixed string : 'To members of the board'. This, of course, will be faithfully outputted when the template is invoked. If templates aren't doing what he intends (if he fully understands how they work, then he'll realize that they will not do what he desires to do in that instance) then he'll have to do a little manual editing as you mentioned or create entry specific templates for each board member or the members which he corresponds with personally. - -- Allie, -= A. Curtis Martin =- List Moderator (and fellow end-user) The Bat! v1.52 Beta/4 \\// Win2k (SP1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build/04.. Comment: PGP Key ID: 0x57C9EB602B0717E2 (Sealed for security). iQA/AwUBOtpa6FfJ62ArBxfiEQIiWQCggHDBK/OuQsxtT1I2s8OSZhC4Sf8An20v oGXvOErskvPWLclSljuqlcaC =1+CN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Address Book Templates?
On October 11, 2000 Ming-Li Wrote: Ok, I was asking because you mentioned in your first message that: In addition, when I try to forward a message, all I receive is a blank message, with no address included nor forwarded text. Yes, that happened to me because I had initially deleted all of my Account and Folder templates, and of course with nothing entered at the Account level, that rendered the AB templates unusable. That apparently was a bug that both Allie and Marck alluded to in an earlier thread... of which I forgot to pay attention to. :o( If your forward template is the same in all levels, this shouldn't happen. So, anyway, we now narrow down to New Message templates and Reply templates. I have identical forward templates now in the Folder, Account and AB levels, so this is not a problem any longer. 1. Please double check the usual suspects first: does the email address of the AB entry match the one of the message you're replying to? Is the AB template's %INCLUDE macro referring to the right text file? Is the %PUT macro in that text file referring to the right signature file? Yes on both accounts. 2. Copy the AB template (not the actual template file, but the one line template in the AB) and paste it to the account template, and see how it goes. (This is to make sure it's indeed the account template which is in effect.) Yes, when I change the Account Template to what I have in the AB Reply template as you suggest, the correct signature is applied. When I change the Account level Reply template back to my generic reply template, then again, the AB template is not used, despite have the appropriate box checked instructing TB! to use this specific template. 3. Create a temporary account (like my TestBat account). You don't really need to acquire a new account; just create a new account and use the same data as your main account (except setting it not to check mail). Don't touch the default account templates in any way. Then copy the message to which you want to reply to the Inbox of the new account. Now try to reply from the new account and see if the AB template works. No, the default Account level reply template is used, despite what I have in my AB template for replies. Since I'm not sure how much you want to pursue this (since you seems to be content with folder templates), I'll stop here. If you get this far and the problem remains, we'll try some other tests to narrow it down. I am more than happy with Folder level templates, because if I am in my PGP-Basics Folder for instance, and I single click the New Message button, a properly addressed blank message is presented. I've created a blank entry in my AB and made it a favourite, so from the same Folder, I can bring up a new non-addressed blank message and address it to whomever I choose. So, in my opinion, I have the best of both worlds, aside from having to be cautious when clicking on a mailto:. Nevertheless, I am anxious to know why my AB reply template will not take preference over my Account or Folder level templates. Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.47B7 | PGP 7.0 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Address Book Templates?
On Wednesday, October 11, 2000, 8:13:32 AM, Nick wrote: 2. Copy the AB template (not the actual template file, but the one line template in the AB) and paste it to the account template, and see how it goes. (This is to make sure it's indeed the account template which is in effect.) Yes, when I change the Account Template to what I have in the AB Reply template as you suggest, the correct signature is applied. Ok, so now we're sure TB's indeed using your Account template. Now try to reply from the new account and see if the AB template works. No, the default Account level reply template is used, despite what I have in my AB template for replies. So, the problem is in the AB itself, for nothing in between is possibly interfering with it. Then I would suggest the following: 1. Put some non-macro words (any words) in the AB template, and see if they show up in your reply. This is to tell if TB has trouble dealing with your AB template as a whole, or with macros only. 2. Create a new AB (I'm calling it "Test" here), and in its properties check the "Use this book as default for ADD/DELETE operations" option. Now, from the Inbox of the newly created account (you didn't delete it, did you?), select the message you want to reply, and press Ctrl-W to create a new AB entry. Open your AB again, and the new entry should reside in the Test AB, and should be the only entry in it. Change the Reply template of that entry, then try to reply to it. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.47 Beta/7 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Address Book Templates?
Hello Batlisters. In a post time stamped 09:25:32 -0700 re: Address Book Templates? Ming-Li wrote: ML 2. Create a new AB (I'm calling it "Test" here), and in its ML properties check the "Use this book as default for ADD/DELETE ML operations" option. Now, from the Inbox of the newly created account ML (you didn't delete it, did you?), select the message you want to ML reply, and press Ctrl-W to create a new AB entry. Open your AB ML again, and the new entry should reside in the Test AB, and should be ML the only entry in it. Change the Reply template of that entry, then Ming-Li, dont' know if you noticed how "strange happenings" thread was resolved but it was a somewhat similar situation. You might want to look @ this thread to see if it offers any clues. I solved my problem by re-creating two AB entries. Then macros, etc. worked fine. Nothing else seemed to affect any change. Very strange. Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Address Book Templates?
On Wednesday, October 11, 2000, 10:02:24 AM, Jan wrote: Ming-Li, dont' know if you noticed how "strange happenings" thread was resolved but it was a somewhat similar situation. You might want to look @ this thread to see if it offers any clues. Yes, I've been watching both threads closely. I don't see much resemblance between the Nick's problem and yours. Yours involves a specific folder, not Nick's. Yours involves two specific addresses, not Nick's. I solved my problem by re-creating two AB entries. Then macros, etc. worked fine. Nothing else seemed to affect any change. Very strange. Though I don't see much similarities, it's still worthwhile for Nick to try your solution. The hard question is which entries to delete and recreate, for it seems Nick's AB templates don't work for all the entries he's tried (I don't know how many). He might have to delete/recreate them all. Anyway, if the new AB trick works, then Nick probably has to start doing just that. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.47 Beta/7 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Address Book Templates?
Hello Batlisters. In a post time stamped 10:16:57 -0700 re: Address Book Templates? Ming-Li wrote: ML Though I don't see much similarities, it's still worthwhile for Nick ML to try your solution. The hard question is which entries to delete ML and recreate, for it seems Nick's AB templates don't work for all ML the entries he's tried (I don't know how many). He might have to ML delete/recreate them all. Yes, it would be interesting if Nick experimented by deletingre-creating just a couple of arbitrary addresses to see what happens. In my case, I think I know what happened to my two addresses although I don't know why. I changed the properties, email address on both. Then they stopped recognizing any templates. H. Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Address Book Templates?
On October 11, 2000, at 9:25:32 AM, Ming-Li Wrote: Then I would suggest the following: 1. Put some non-macro words (any words) in the AB template, and see if they show up in your reply. This is to tell if TB has trouble dealing with your AB template as a whole, or with macros only. I put some random text in the template itself, but nothing comes through. The Account level template is still being used, so the problem is with the AB template as a whole. 2. Create a new AB (I'm calling it "Test" here), and in its properties check the "Use this book as default for ADD/DELETE operations" option. Now, from the Inbox of the newly created account (you didn't delete it, did you?) I did unfortunately. I will re-create it and do the next test, and get back to you with the results. Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.47B7 | PGP 7.0 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Address Book Templates?
On October 11, 2000, at 9:25:32 AM, Ming-Li Wrote: 2. Create a new AB (I'm calling it "Test" here), and in its properties check the "Use this book as default for ADD/DELETE operations" option. Now, from the Inbox of the newly created account (you didn't delete it, did you?), select the message you want to reply, and press Ctrl-W to create a new AB entry. Open your AB again, and the new entry should reside in the Test AB, and should be the only entry in it. Change the Reply template of that entry, then try to reply to it. Yes, the correct reply template is used in the above test. So, I must have a faulty AB then, right? I tried my PGP-Basics reply template (the one I have been having trouble with) in the TBUDL AB reply template, and found out that it works Ok in the AB entry, but not in my PGP-Basics entry. Strange though, because when I go to reply to a portion of quoted text, two identical replies are generated. Let me create a new AB entry for PGP-Basics, and see if that will correct the problem... Hey!! It works now... simply by deleting and re-creating a new AB entry for PGP-Basics. Thanks for all your help Ming-Li... very much appreciated. Now, I have to make a decision on whether or not to revert to AB templates, and see if Marck and Allie were right! ;o) Thanks again... I would never have thought that an AB entry would be faulty! Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.47B7 | PGP 7.0 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Address Book Templates?
I'm in the midst of trying to change all my templates over to Address Book templates, but am having a devil of a time getting it to work properly. For instance, I have created a default reply template and saved it as "Generic Reply.txt", along with a number of other template files that I keep in my C:/My Documents/My Templates Folder. This is an example of text in that reply template file: On %DATE, at %OTIMELONG, %OFROMNAME Wrote: %QUOTES %CURSOR %PUT="C:\My Documents\My Signatures\Signature.txt" %SINGLERE Now I have deleted all my templates from the Folder and Account levels, and have made sure that "[] Use a specific template for replies" is ticked in the Address Book Properties. What is happening, is that when I highlight text and hit the F4 button, none of my quoted text is shown. Even if I simply hit the reply button, no quoted text whatsoever is shown, yet in the template file, I've clearly got the %QUOTES macro included. In addition, when I try to forward a message, all I receive is a blank message, with no address included nor forwarded text. What am I doing wrong? Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.47B7 | PGP 7.0 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Address Book Templates?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Nick, On 10 October 2000 at 05:10:29 GMT -0700 (which was 13:10 where I live) Nick Andriash wrote and made these points on the subject of "Address Book Templates?": NA Now I have deleted all my templates from the Folder and Account ^^^ NA levels, ^^^ The clue! We recently uncovered a bug in TB that, unless there is *something* in the Account Level templates, AB templates are ignored. NA What am I doing wrong? Try putting something back into the account level templates and that should clear things up for you. - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] Kids Stuff: When they broke open molecules, they found they were only stuffed with atoms. But when they broke open atoms, they found them stuffed with explosions. TB! v1.47 Beta/7 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOeMIxTnkJKuSnc2gEQKGLACeIJI3MHazfE9SyPpSDVosri4lR+0AoLyh nODHesHRj4OoUvd+INbS6aEl =6p6H -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Address Book Templates?
On October 10, 2000, at 5:17:08 AM, Marck D. Pearlstone Wrote: The clue! We recently uncovered a bug in TB that, unless there is *something* in the Account Level templates, AB templates are ignored. What would that "something" be Marck that wouldn't screw up the Address Book Templates? I've tried just putting a space in, but to no avail, and if I include any other character, that single character becomes my entire template... the Address Book Template doesn't seem to be called. Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.47B7 | PGP 7.0 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Address Book Templates?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 05:29:40 -0700, Nick Andriash wrote: NA What would that "something" be Marck that wouldn't screw up the Address NA Book Templates? I've tried just putting a space in, but to no avail, and NA if I include any other character, that single character becomes my entire NA template... the Address Book Template doesn't seem to be called. In the account templates, enter generic templates. Afterall, you need to use *something* for those messages/recipients for which address book templates have not been defined. If an address book template has been defined for a particular recipient, it will be used preferentially over the account level template. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Nothing is foolproof because fools are so ingenious " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/7 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBOeMQc/AXeSHuB5k3EQJXZACg0ED1eZm4K/ee29V1EswYeIrp22AAmwTZ u2NbnnOX2P3m8evwGVnJ+O+Q =3X2P -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Address Book Templates?
On October 10, 2000, at 5:17:08 AM, Marck D. Pearlstone Wrote: Try putting something back into the account level templates and that should clear things up for you. The only thing that works for me, is to put something back into the Folder level templates. I tried putting it in at the account level, but I like to use different signatures with different folders, and if I put anything in the account level templates, it seems to take preference over the Address Book Templates. My templates are in a complete mess in trying to move all of them over to the Address Book level. If I have to have something at the folder level for them to work, then to me the whole process is redundant, and I may as well just revert back to Folder templates, because that is basically what I am having to do anyway. shrug Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.47B7 | PGP 7.0 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Address Book Templates?
On October 10, 2000, at 5:49:55 AM, A. Curtis Martin Wrote: In the account templates, enter generic templates. Afterall, you need to use *something* for those messages/recipients for which address book templates have not been defined. If an address book template has been defined for a particular recipient, it will be used preferentially over the account level template. Unfortunately Allie, my set up doesn't work that way. What ever is in the Account level template, is what get's used, regardless of what I have in my Address Book template... given that the folder templates are blank. I have to re-enter the template at the folder level... which puts me right back to where I started 2 hours ago. :o( Only difference now, is that I have duplicate template entries at both the Address Book and Folder level, and generic entries at the Account level. Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.47B7 | PGP 7.0 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Address Book Templates?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 05:59:01 -0700, Nick Andriash wrote: NA Unfortunately Allie, my set up doesn't work that way. What ever is in the NA Account level template, is what get's used, regardless of what I have in NA my Address Book template... given that the folder templates are blank. I've never used TB! with my folder templates blank. Someone else tried this and ended up with the same trouble that you did. At present I'm unable to delete any of my folders templates. If I delete one of my folders templates, close the folder and reopen it, I'll see the default account templates sitting merrily there. What you did was to delete *both* the folder and default account templates. Now that you have redefined the account default templates, the folder templates remain empty which will make the address book templates not work. In my present setup, I have default templates defined in the account properties. *All* of my folders have these same default templates defined in them. I then have my address book templates defined. The result of this setup is that: a) If I am sending mail to a recipient not in my address book, the default templates will be used. b) If I am sending mail to a recipient that's in my address book, then address book templates will be used. NA I have to re-enter the template at the folder level... which puts me right NA back to where I started 2 hours ago. :o( Pity that you hadn't done what I had done, which was to leave the default templates in the account properties alone, and then delete the folder templates. If you had done that, you would have noted that all the folders would get the default templates reassigned to them automagically. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "All the easy problems have been solved. " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/7 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBOeMXH/AXeSHuB5k3EQIDWQCg56LV4juSLxGzFxsC5XP2YvZ2JcIAoLFm +S2teNSEkXdm1ickcQ+Q0JzX =+Mrh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Address Book Templates?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On October 10, 2000 A. Curtis Martin Wrote: The result of this setup is that: a) If I am sending mail to a recipient not in my address book, the default templates will be used. But that behaviour is not dependant on having AB templates defined. b) If I am sending mail to a recipient that's in my address book, then address book templates will be used. That is where my install differs from yours. My AB templates were never used. The only basic difference between my account and AB templates, were the different signatures I wanted to use for different addresses, but they were never included despite having them defined in the AB templates... the generic signature defined in the account templates was always used for some reason. :o( Pity that you hadn't done what I had done, which was to leave the default templates in the account properties alone, and then delete the folder templates. If you had done that, you would have noted that all the folders would get the default templates reassigned to them automagically. But I *did* do that initially, but as I mentioned, I could never get the signatures, as defined in the AB templates, to be used. In any event, there is just too many template entries when attempting to use Address Book templates... far too much redundancy. I have spent the time to get my templates back to the folder level, where everything is working fine now... just like they used to. I think I have the best of both worlds with my current set up. :o) I was attempting to change everything over to Address Book templates, because you and Marck thought highly of them, and I wanted to see the benefit of having them. For me unfortunately, they really only complicated matters more. :o( Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.47B7 | PGP 7.0 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ___ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0 Comment: Join PGP-Basics at http://www.egroups.com/group/PGP-Basics iQA/AwUBOeMe/sUChHR7o/3OEQJLdgCfUa7pKGSKSK+VRwvkGt6HaeydPlkAoIso /QNXev0OOV2ZzbuImZQL3jp+ =pScb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Address Book Templates?
On October 10, 2000 A. Curtis Martin Wrote: Pity you didn't get things to work, I'm almost certain that you'd have preferred it that way. :-) I wonder if the problem I was having with my signatures using AB templates, is the same type of problem you are having with the %signcomplete macro in your account templates. If I am reading the thread properly, that macro is being applied to your AB templates, despite it not being defined in the AB templates. That is essentially the problem I am running into... elements within account level templates being applied despite what is being defined at the AB template level. Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.47B7 | PGP 7.0 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ___ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Address Book Templates?
On Tuesday, October 10, 2000, 8:57:45 AM, Nick wrote: I wonder if the problem I was having with my signatures using AB templates, is the same type of problem you are having with the %signcomplete macro in your account templates. If I am reading the thread properly, that macro is being applied to your AB templates, despite it not being defined in the AB templates. No, that shouldn't be the case. As said in that thread, it happens only to New Message templates, not Reply templates. Further, it applies only to macros that are not overridden by AB templates. That is essentially the problem I am running into... elements within account level templates being applied despite what is being defined at the AB template level. I've just re-read thru the whole thread (this thread), and please clarify some points for me: 1. You're talking about Reply and Forward templates only, New Message templates not included, right? 2. According to the first message, you're storing your reply templates in text files. What exactly do you use them in your AB templates? Is it like this: %INCLUDE="filepath" and nothing else? Now, one more thing to check (let's see if you're making the same silly mistake I did just now). I assume you're testing your new AB templates by sending messages to yourself. Now, as most of us here do, you probably have more than one email address. Does the one you're replying to match exactly the one in your AB? -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.47 Beta/7 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Address Book Templates?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On October 10, 2000 Ming-Li Wrote: I've just re-read thru the whole thread (this thread), and please clarify some points for me: 1. You're talking about Reply and Forward templates only, New Message templates not included, right? No, my forward template is the same in all levels, but the Reply and New Message templates are the ones that are affected. 2. According to the first message, you're storing your reply templates in text files. What exactly do you use them in your AB templates? Is it like this: %INCLUDE="filepath" and nothing else? Yes, that is correct. I also have my signatures set up in a similar fashion... each one is it's own text file that is included via the %PUT macro. In effect, there are text files within text files, but all follow the template/macro rules. Really, the only difference between the various templates, are the signature files, and it's those signature files that are being overridden by the generic signature (also text file) at the account level. I assume you're testing your new AB templates by sending messages to yourself. Now, as most of us here do, you probably have more than one email address. Does the one you're replying to match exactly the one in your AB? No, that is not a problem with me because for one I only use one of my addresses, and I am testing out the templates by using actual new messages and replies to postings. It doesn't matter what signature (text file) is in the AB template... the one at the account level overrides it. Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.47B7 | PGP 7.0 | Win 98 SE ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ___ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0 Comment: Join PGP-Basics at http://www.egroups.com/group/PGP-Basics iQA/AwUBOeNoGMUChHR7o/3OEQIT8wCgjuGmS+2SK1bbR5oGk9LFzby7NqIAoJeS /Fy8bBd4KD3m3In7j3xI51MC =nZqY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Address Book Templates?
On Tuesday, October 10, 2000, 12:03:55 PM, Nick wrote: 1. You're talking about Reply and Forward templates only, New Message templates not included, right? No, my forward template is the same in all levels, but the Reply and New Message templates are the ones that are affected. Ok, I was asking because you mentioned in your first message that: In addition, when I try to forward a message, all I receive is a blank message, with no address included nor forwarded text. If your forward template is the same in all levels, this shouldn't happen. So, anyway, we now narrow down to New Message templates and Reply templates. New Message templates are more complicated for TB's "feature/bug" of "appending" (some) default template macros to the controlling template, as discussed in the other thread. I'll save it for later and see if we can solve the Reply template first (if you are still interested in solving it). Yes, that is correct. I also have my signatures set up in a similar fashion... each one is it's own text file that is included via the %PUT macro. In effect, there are text files within text files, but all follow the template/macro rules. Really, the only difference between the various templates, are the signature files, and it's those signature files that are being overridden by the generic signature (also text file) at the account level. Ok, according to your description, I recreated the default Reply template of one of my accounts, as the following line (indented for clarity, there's no leading spaces in any of the templates discussed here): %INCLUDE="g:\tmp2\def template.txt" The content of "def template.txt" is: On %DATE, at %OTIMELONG, %OFROMNAME Wrote: %QUOTES %CURSOR %PUT="g:\tmp2\def sig.txt" %SINGLERE As you can see, the above was copied from yours as shown in the first message, except the file path for the signature file. The content of "def sig.txt" is (one line): Ming-Li (Default) Similarly, I changed the AB Reply template of myself (and I made sure the email address is the one I'm going to test with) to (again, one line): %INCLUDE="g:\tmp2\test template.txt" The content of "test template.txt" is the same as "def sig.txt", except the signature file used with the %PUT macro is "g:\tmp2\test sig.txt", the content of which is (one line): Ming-Li (Test) Now, after sending my TestBat account a test message, I tried to reply to myself from the TestBat account. First I tried with the "Use a specific template for replies" option in my AB UNCHECKED, and sure enough, the "Ming-Li (Default)" signature was used. Then I tried again with the option checked, and "Ming-Li (Test)" was used, as expected. So far none of us could duplicate your misfortune, let's see if there's any way you may duplicate my little test. 1. Please double check the usual suspects first: does the email address of the AB entry match the one of the message you're replying to? Is the AB template's %INCLUDE macro referring to the right text file? Is the %PUT macro in that text file referring to the right signature file? 2. Copy the AB template (not the actual template file, but the one line template in the AB) and paste it to the account template, and see how it goes. (This is to make sure it's indeed the account template which is in effect.) 3. Create a temporary account (like my TestBat account). You don't really need to acquire a new account; just create a new account and use the same data as your main account (except setting it not to check mail). Don't touch the default account templates in any way. Then copy the message to which you want to reply to the Inbox of the new account. Now try to reply from the new account and see if the AB template works. Since I'm not sure how much you want to pursue this (since you seems to be content with folder templates), I'll stop here. If you get this far and the problem remains, we'll try some other tests to narrow it down. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.47 Beta/7 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
