Re[2]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hi Alexander, ASK For me, proper formatting of text-only messages, including the ability to ASK re-flow quotes, is very important, and neither Outlook nor Opera's M2 or ASK AK-Mail or Thunderbird (haven't tried others) has any function like that ASK of TB's ALT-L keyboard shortcut - I'm using it all the time. Pegasus has it, Ctrl-j, but the quoting is not as nice as TB's. Just , no initials, no colors. -- David Win][k sp4 TheBat 3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello dAniel, Thursday, September 2, 2004, 1:02:52 PM, you wrote: Hello TBUDL, on Wed, 1. Sep 2004 at 20:46:13 -0700 Dennis W. Greer wrote: The funny thing is Outlook is now a better client than TB!. Top posting good. Bottom posting annoying! What about 'in between' posting. That's the only way for readable discussions... -- Best regards, Tony Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! v3 (Was: Re: v3.0 b1)
Hello John, On 3 Sep 2004 at 02:30:05 +1000 GMT [18:30 CEST] you wrote: JP As a matter of interest, does anyone know if RTitlabs read this list at all? At least some of them do. I remeber Stef and 9Val posting here in the past. -- Cheers, The Bat! 2.12.00 on Andre Windows XP Service Pack 2 Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. ~ George Orwell Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Doug Weller, 03-Sep-2004 00:13, you wrote: Alexander The so called search folders in Outlook 2003 look good at Alexander first, but they are, as with every MS product, hard to set up Alexander correctly. TB's VF's produce the wanted search results much Alexander easier, accessible on ONE properties page instead of two or Alexander three nested pages with Advanced buttons (in the usual MS Alexander style - MS really screwed a good function by bad accessibility Alexander here). I need to know more about the potential of VFs -- how do you use them in searching? Sorry, I don't use them for searches. I run Popfile and use the VF's to show the messages according to the classification by Popfile. Other VFs track down conversations with individual contacts (like my girlfriend, the programmer of an audioplayer I'm betatesting, etc.). The interesting thing is that you can watch incoming and outgoing mails in a VF, together with threading by reference its really nice. What doesn't work in VFs (at least in v2.12 - haven't tried v3.00, don't know if I should do it... gotta make a backup first, anyway) is described in MID:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... a bad bug, I'd love to do this (anyone tried if this works in v3?! ...hell, I'm starting to think about buying v3 for a bugfix like this... bad boy! *g*). -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Dung is no saint, but where it falls, it works miracles. -- Spanish Proverb Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! v3 (Was: Re: v3.0 b1)
Hi Jack, On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, at 13:55:46 [GMT-0500] (which was Thu, 4:55:46 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: I'll never recommend it to anyone again, or at least until someone at Ritlabs reads a book on business ethics. As a matter of interest, does anyone know if RTitlabs read this list at all? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing. - computer Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:45:13 +0200, Peter Fjelsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cursory read Does that mean cursing, while reading... ? ;-) -- Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Dennis, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 9:46:13 PM, you wrote: DWG Top posting good. Bottom posting annoying! My thoughts exactly Only in reverse... -- Leif Gregory (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Tagline of the day: A baseball pitcher's arm rotates from the shoulder at 7,200 degrees per second... If the pitcher kept going for a full second, their arm would make 20 full revolutions Using The Bat! 3.0 Beta/1 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Dennis, Thursday, September 2, 2004, 5:49:26 AM, you wrote: DWG Does The Bat 3 still have the connection center malfunction? Don't have any problem with it. What's malfunctioning for you? -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Jeff, On Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 1:30:58 PM, you wrote: [snipped] The 'classic' root is to install Eudora, import your Bat mail into Eudora then use O/L to import from Eudora. It's long winded but it works. [snipped] Sorry but having had a good night's sleep I had to correct this - I meant 'route' of course, I do know the difference :-) -- Best wishes Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Alternative emailers (was: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1)
Hello TBUDLers, On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 00:47:27 +0200, dAniel hAhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone got any other suggestions for mail clients ? This is my list-to-test.. mahogany Thunderbird Becky Pocomail Bloomba Foxmail I switched to google's GMAIL some weeks ago. Found it very usable, it does threading (conversations - it aggregates a thread into one browsable entity), spell-checking (in English only), and I can reach my mailbox from everywhere which I couldn't quite manage with TB+IMAP. As currently it's webmail only (but POP3/IMAP is being considered) I'd only recommend to persons with 24/7 online access at the moment. Cheers, SyP Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Alternative emailers (was: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1)
Hæ! Thursday, September 2, 2004, 14:05, Szabolcs Péter wrote: I switched to google's GMAIL some weeks ago. But there are certainly privacy issues (e.g. read http://gmail-is-too-creepy.com/). I have not followed this subject closely, because I certainly do not want to store my emails on a server of a company within US borders. -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | aesir media http://www.aesir.de/ [The Bat! v2.12.03 without BayesIt on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4] Listening to: DeutschlandRadio Berlin Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Alternative emailers (was: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1)
Il 02/09/2004 alle 1.10, Allen Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: In my opinion, the closest thing to a good alternative for TB!--good POP and IMAP support -- not as actively developed. That may be a good or a bad thing, depending on how you like your bugs--fixed and then neglected, or multiplying :-) Very keyboard friendly, light, fast, powerful client. I'm using it now, only to have the time to move from the bat to becky. What impressed me was the readme.txt: Oh, did I mention that upgrading from Ver.1 to Ver.2 is *totally free of charge*? :-) Ritlabs should watch this urls: http://www.mickeytheman.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1813 http://fileforum.betanews.com/review/942557075/1/view -- Giampaolo Bellavite - Milano [EMAIL PROTECTED] (PGP key available) ICQ# 9936 - MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Mark Partous wrote: DWG Does The Bat 3 still have the connection center malfunction? Don't have any problem with it. What's malfunctioning for you? I don't know what Deniss's problem with the CC is, but for me, if I abort/delete all tasks in the CC, I am unable to close TB as it says tasks are still active. Clicking Abort on the can't close dialog does no good and I'm forced to kill TB from Task Manager. -- Dave Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
DWG Does The Bat 3 still have the connection center malfunction? Don't have any problem with it. What's malfunctioning for you? I don't know what Deniss's problem with the CC is, but for me, if I abort/delete all tasks in the CC, I am unable to close TB as it says tasks are still active. Clicking Abort on the can't close dialog does no good and I'm forced to kill TB from Task Manager. I can confirm that for v2.xx but not for v3. But that's the only bugfix/improvement i discovered so far. regards, Mike GnuPG fingerprint 5481 4C57 FCFE 7953 777B B8CD 58AC B95E DBBA CE86 pgpJKQkGeK2qr.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
Dave, On 02-09-2004 14:05, you [DG] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: DG I don't know what Deniss's problem with the CC is, but for me, if I DG abort/delete all tasks in the CC, I am unable to close TB as it says DG tasks are still active. Clicking Abort on the can't close dialog DG does no good and I'm forced to kill TB from Task Manager. Exactly! POP3-mailboxes and MyGate. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 2.13 Lucky Beta/8 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1/os Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Dave, Thursday, September 2, 2004, 7:05:30 AM, you wrote: DG Mark Partous wrote: DWG Does The Bat 3 still have the connection center malfunction? Don't have any problem with it. What's malfunctioning for you? DG I don't know what Deniss's problem with the CC is, but for me, if I DG abort/delete all tasks in the CC, I am unable to close TB as it says DG tasks are still active. Clicking Abort on the can't close dialog does DG no good and I'm forced to kill TB from Task Manager. Yes this seems to happen fairly often. Cannot quite figure out what process is still running though. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Alternative emailers (was: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1)
This is my list-to-test.. mahogany Thunderbird Becky Pocomail Bloomba Foxmail But non of these is able to handle a relative path to the userprofile folder. Or has there been enhancements in the last time? -- With best regards Lars Sölter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! Version 3.0 Windows 2000 / Service Pack 4 (Build 2195) Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Dennis, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 10:46:13 PM, you wrote: DWG Top posting good. Bottom posting annoying! I think we are in the minority, thought sigh -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
On Thursday, September 2, 2004 @ 9:56:34 PM, MikeD (3) wrote: [snips] DWG Top posting good. Bottom posting annoying! MikeD I think we are in the minority, thought sigh Yes, linear thought is just SO 20th century :-) -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) This whole mad cow thing has me confused. The thought of thousands of cows being slaughtered is nice, but not being able to eat meat would suck. Foscock, 30 Dec 2003 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Alternative emailers (was: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1)
Hi This is my list-to-test.. mahogany Thunderbird Becky Pocomail Bloomba Foxmail Do any of the above (excluding Pocomail) have templates? -- Best Regards, Joe O Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Alternative emailers (was: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1)
Pegasus Mail is another fine email client. Freeware too! -- Best regards, Costas Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello TBUDL, on Wed, 1. Sep 2004 at 20:46:13 -0700 Dennis W. Greer wrote: The funny thing is Outlook is now a better client than TB!. Top posting good. Bottom posting annoying! Found a nice tool for my Outlook at work: Quotefix. A must-have for Outlook (and OE). -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc ICQ#152282665 Random software tip: [***] jEdit, for software development (http://www.jedit.org) Lifted with The Bat! 2.12.03 on Windows XP Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
Hello TBUDL, on Thu, 2. Sep 2004 at 15:25:29 +0200 Peter Fjelsten wrote: DG I don't know what Deniss's problem with the CC is, but for me, if I DG abort/delete all tasks in the CC, I am unable to close TB as it says DG tasks are still active. Clicking Abort on the can't close dialog DG does no good and I'm forced to kill TB from Task Manager. Exactly! POP3-mailboxes and MyGate. The same without MyGate. -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc ICQ#152282665 Random software tip: [***] WinAmp Advanced Controls (http://www.niversoft.com/products/nadvctrls-en.html) Lifted with The Bat! 2.12.03 on Windows XP Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hi Alexander, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 12:54:21 PM, you wrote: TB has VFs and, from what I have heard, with more functionality or possibilities than Outlook. Alexander The so called search folders in Outlook 2003 Alexander look good at first, but Alexander they are, as with every MS product, hard to set Alexander up correctly. TB's VF's Alexander produce the wanted search results much easier, accessible on ONE Alexander properties page instead of two or three nested pages with Advanced Alexander buttons (in the usual MS style - MS really Alexander screwed a good function by bad Alexander accessibility here). I need to know more about the potential of VFs -- how do you use them in searching? Thanks. Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug and Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:00:49 +0100, AceMan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Registered users are expected to pay for the upgrade to v3.bugs included. I'll stick with v2.12 until it implodes, or whatever, and after that I won't be a Ritlabs customer again, ever. My story - I bought v1.62r in February 2003, only to see that v2 was released later that year (while the betas were all named v1.63, remember...). No different update policy for late registrations (mine was 7 or 8 months old) compared to those users who used the v1.x for *years*. That was the first time I was really pissed about Ritlabs' company decisions. However, XMas2003 I bought the update to v2 with 60% discount (because I needed better PGP support), and now only a couple of months later they release v3 and want to charge their users again? I don't know how others feel about that, but it leads me to the question: What extreme quality of superskunk do they grow in Moldavia? This is so way out of anything I've ever experienced, I have no other explanation. Its interesting to know that v1.62r was the last release version, while people were testing the v1.63 beta versions - which never made it into a v1 release, instead the version number was bumped to v2! Apparently, they tricked their fellow beta testers the same way with v2.13 betas - which are now released in a v3 one has to pay for? Pathetic. I have enough of Ritlabs. As soon as this v2.12 doesn't do what I need anymore, I'm off for another email client, be it PocoMail or Becky or whatever. I doubt there's one other company that succeeds in ripping their loyal, trusty paying customer base off worse than Ritlabs. Sad but true, as the uninstaller of TB! used to say when I removed it from my office machine. -- Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! v3 (Was: Re: v3.0 b1)
Hi Mike, On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, at 04:51:20 [GMT+0100] (which was 13:51:20 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: JM 2. What exactly *are* the differences between the Home Edition and the JM Professional Edition? The Professional Edition is twice the size (8.2M as opposed to 4.0) Apart from that, what else? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! v3 (Was: Re: v3.0 b1)
Hello Jack, ...especially anything regarding the user interface, which was supposed to be *new* (Amongst all the improvements the most visually outstanding is the new look user interface...). Are you using a glyphs.bmp? If so, go into Preferences and untick High colour images and re-start TB. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! v3 (Was: Re: v3.0 b1)
On Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 4:16:29 AM, Jack wrote in message: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] J 2. What exactly *are* the differences between the Home Edition and the J Professional Edition? As I understand it the Home version is the existing TB! that we're all used to, and the Pro version includes the features previously found in SecureBat - i.e. hardware tokens etc. -- Cheers, Anne Registered Linux user #345132 Flying high with The Bat! v2.12.00 on Xandros Desktop Deluxe v2.0 Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 08:32:52 +0200, Alexander S. Kunz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have enough of Ritlabs. As soon as this v2.12 doesn't do what I need anymore, I'm off for another email client ... I fully agree. Add to that the lack of support from Ritlabs (we're totally left on our own here at teh list, not a single fix but workarounds -where possible- provided by fellow endusers) and you're looking at a situation that's getting too ridiculous to bear any longer. Who does Ritlabs think thay are, introducing supposedly shiny features -that no one is waiting for and even decrease stability- and at the same time neglecting old and persistant bugs? Personally I've been using and advocating TB for over 5 years now, but this definitely is the end. We're with 6 pro users (add to that my personal), as I'm the (mail) admin and in charge with the sw to use, I'll most likely transfer us to Mercury. -- Happy flappin'! Corne' (aka Cory, The Batdmin) Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Cory, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 11:47:57 AM, you wrote: C On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 08:32:52 +0200, Alexander S. Kunz C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have enough of Ritlabs. As soon as this v2.12 doesn't do what I need anymore, I'm off for another email client ... C I fully agree. Add to that the lack of support from Ritlabs (we're C totally left on our own here at teh list, not a single fix but what about all that work on Smiley's ;-) C Personally I've been using and advocating TB for over 5 years now, but C this definitely is the end. We're with 6 pro users (add to that my C personal), as I'm the (mail) admin and in charge with the sw to use, C I'll most likely transfer us to Mercury. If anyone from development is listening stop screwing your users The reason I moved was that I was fed up with Outlook, now it looks like I'll have to go back to Outlook and that really pisses me off Anyone got any other suggestions for mail clients ? Graham -- Graham K. Dodd Director of Operations Falk Ross GmbH Tel: 06301 717 0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
At 09/01/04 00:32, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: I'll stick with v2.12 until it implodes, or whatever, and after that I won't be a Ritlabs customer again, ever. . . . I have enough of Ritlabs. As soon as this v2.12 doesn't do what I need anymore, I'm off for another email client, be it PocoMail or Becky or whatever. I doubt there's one other company that succeeds in ripping their loyal, trusty paying customer base off worse than Ritlabs. Sad but true, as the uninstaller of TB! used to say when I removed it from my office machine. Well, I'll have to second that! I bought The Bat! (version 2) almost a year ago, after extensive testing of _many_ clients (the runner up for my needs at that time, if I recall correctly, was PocoMail). For all of that time, I have been a reader of [and _very_ infrequent contributor to :-)] this list. But, as you can tell from my headers, I am _still_ not a _user_ of The Bat! Why? Because, through all the different 2.x versions, and through all the various methods I have tried, it is impossible to _properly_ import my existing mail base from Eudora! And by proper, I mean not only the message bodies and headers (which is itself still not 100%), but also the correct dates and read/unread status, replied/forwarded/redirected status, etc. My fault, you may say, with some justification, since that tiny oversight was the one most crucial feature which I failed to _adequately_ test before purchase [sheepish grin]. I guess I just wanted to like The Bat! too much. But I'd like to know this: who is Ritlabs' primary target audience? Is it the internet/e-mail neophyte, or is it the e-mail veteran who knows exactly what feature-set he requires, and is most likely to be impressed, rather than intimidated by The Bat!? One might at first blush be tempted to answer that it is the latter--but how could that possibly be so, when it cannot even properly import existing e-mail?? And consider this: the format of the Eudora mailbox is an almost completely standard Unix mbox format; the one _most easy_ to read, and the one _most likely_ to be supported! Yes, I really do like The Bat!, but make no mistake: I am not about to give up 50,000 messages, representing years and years of internet traffic. And even if version 3 would import them perfectly, which is a far stretch, I'm certainly not about to pay again for what I believe I've already paid for! If Ritlabs wishes to keep me as a [possibly future repeat-paying] customer, they will need somehow to arrange for my mail to be properly transferred. Otherwise, much as I hate it to do it, the e-mail client search will resume. -- Just Another Joe Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Graham Dodd wrote on 01 September 2004 11:13: Anyone got any other suggestions for mail clients ? I joined this list because I saw the announcement and thought - perhaps they fixed the smart word wrapping/justification issues within the Micro Ed text editor and also fixed some of the other issues that put me off using version 1.x so many years ago. I downloaded and thought the new interface looked quite good, but still pretty clumsy. It is an improvement, however - at least to me. Whilst the word wrapping problem still persists, the overall interface improvements since 1.x and a few other bits and bobs almost made me reach for my credit card. What stopped me? The flipping thing doesn't pick up mail at all from my cPanel POP3 server, but it does from my MDaemon box. I've tried regular and both STARTTLS and SSL connections but the POP3 connection always fails. I've tried it on two different workstations now and it still doesn't work. Thus I've confined TheBat! to the bin. These days I use a combination of Outlook 2003 (eeew I know - but somewhat more managable with the Outlook Quotefix program) and Barca and/or PocoMail (http://www.pocosystems.com). It's well supported and works well (IMHO). Regards, Martyn Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hi Morgan, On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, at 11:15:27 [GMT+0100] (which was 20:15:27 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: The funny thing is Outlook is now a better client than TB!. Outlook 2003 has virtual folders, an excellent filtering system, secure e-mail reading features such as not downloading pictures or running scripts. Does it still top post? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)gnore, (S)orry I Asked! Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
John Phillips wrote on 01 September 2004 11:33: Does it still top post? Unfortunately it does. But thankfully somebody came up with a solution to that and this is what I've been using for many months without any issues: http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/ There's also a version for Outlook Express. Regards, Martyn Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Morgan, The funny thing is Outlook is now a better client than TB!. I doubt it. Outlook 2003 has virtual folders TB has VFs and, from what I have heard, with more functionality or possibilities than Outlook. an excellent filtering system, I again doubt it. Does Outlook allow you to set up Common, Outgoing, Read and Replied filters. I doubt it. OFS in v2 was already good, but NFS in v3.0 has tremendous possibilities. secure e-mail reading features such as not downloading pictures or running scripts. TB has them also. Anyway, if you are convinced Outlook is better... make the jump! -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Morgan, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 12:15:27 PM, you wrote: MP Hi Graham, GD Anyone got any other suggestions for mail clients ? GD Graham MP The funny thing is Outlook is now a better client than TB!. Outlook MP 2003 has virtual folders, an excellent filtering system, secure MP e-mail reading features such as not downloading pictures or running MP scripts. dropping off the list.. Any idea how I can get all my mails from TB into Outlook Graham -- Graham K. Dodd Director of Operations Falk Ross GmbH Tel: 06301 717 0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Martyn, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 12:38:28 PM, you wrote: Does it still top post? MD Unfortunately it does. But thankfully somebody came up with a solution to MD that and this is what I've been using for many months without any issues: Does it still uses loads of memory for doing practically nothing? :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 2.12.03 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: v3.0 b1
Hi Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 7:32:52 AM, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Registered users are expected to pay for the upgrade to v3.bugs included. ASK they release v3 and want to charge their users again? I don't ASK know how others feel about that As a new user who bought my v2 licence on 20th August, try *very* annoyed. -- Best regards, MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
On Wednesday, September 1, 2004 @ 6:59:51 PM, Mark Partous wrote: [snips] Does it still top post? MD Unfortunately it does. But thankfully somebody came up with a solution to MD that and this is what I've been using for many months without any issues: Mark Does it still uses loads of memory for doing practically nothing? :-) But if it's already your calendar because it syncs with yer Palm... -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers. H. L. Mencken Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Graham, Any idea how I can get all my mails from TB into Outlook You should ask that in an Outlook users mailing list, don't you think? ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Mike, As a new user who bought my v2 licence on 20th August, try *very* annoyed. I am quite sure Ritlabs will consider that fact. A 10 days old user should not be charged for the upgrade. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:45:24 +0200, MAU [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Outlook 2003 has virtual folders TB has VFs and, from what I have heard, with more functionality or possibilities than Outlook. The so called search folders in Outlook 2003 look good at first, but they are, as with every MS product, hard to set up correctly. TB's VF's produce the wanted search results much easier, accessible on ONE properties page instead of two or three nested pages with Advanced buttons (in the usual MS style - MS really screwed a good function by bad accessibility here). ...that is, *if* the VF works (see my other message sent a couple of days ago - out of memory error whatnot). Anyway, if you are convinced Outlook is better... make the jump! It depends on what one needs from an email client. I make heavy use of TB's templates (together with the Macros of course), and Outlook has zero of that (at least nothing I know of). OTOH, one may regard all this (just like Cookies, taglines, whatever) as gimmicks braincandy :) that are not really necessary. For me, proper formatting of text-only messages, including the ability to re-flow quotes, is very important, and neither Outlook nor Opera's M2 or AK-Mail or Thunderbird (haven't tried others) has any function like that of TB's ALT-L keyboard shortcut - I'm using it all the time. -- Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 12:54:21 PM, you wrote: For me, proper formatting of text-only messages, including the ability to re-flow quotes, is very important, and neither Outlook nor Opera's M2 or AK-Mail or Thunderbird (haven't tried others) has any function like that of TB's ALT-L keyboard shortcut - I'm using it all the time. The question is - when will the Micro Ed editor have the ability to properly re-flow quoted text without the need to use the justify left (ALT-L) keyboard shortcut? It's irritating when an email client (not just The Bat!) doesn't do it for you - more so in Thunderbird than any other client. When you do Rewrap (or ALT-L in The Bat!) it does it wonderfully - but why can't it do this when you hit the Reply button so that the user is left with a beautifully formatted email ready to reply to? :) Regards, Martyn Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
I am quite sure Ritlabs will consider that fact. A 10 days old user should not be charged for the upgrade. You KNOW this do you? After all, as the one beta tester who appears to have rushed in and bought a new licence, Ritlabs would have thrown a welcome party for you. (No smiley - I hate them). -- Clive T Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Martyn, It's irritating when an email client (not just The Bat!) doesn't do it for you - more so in Thunderbird than any other client. When you do Rewrap (or ALT-L in The Bat!) it does it wonderfully - but why can't it do this when you hit the Reply button so that the user is left with a beautifully formatted email ready to reply to? :) Some people may not want to re-wrap quoted text and quote it as originally formatted. Anyway, I think there is some %quotewrapped macro (not sure of it's name) available somewhere. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
On Wednesday, September 1, 2004 @ 7:47:03 PM, MAU wrote: [snips] As a new user who bought my v2 licence on 20th August, try *very* annoyed. MAU I am quite sure Ritlabs will consider that fact. A 10 days old user MAU should not be charged for the upgrade. But where's the cut-off point? Should a person who (perhaps foolishly) bought a licence three months ago be slugged for the 'upgrade' (term used loosely)? The real problem here is, as ever, the complete lack of meaningful communication from Ritlabs. -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) Perhaps in time the so-called Dark Ages will be thought of as including our own. Georg Christoph Lichtenberg Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Graham, On Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 12:00:10 PM, you wrote: Hello Morgan, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 12:15:27 PM, you wrote: MP Hi Graham, GD Anyone got any other suggestions for mail clients ? GD Graham MP The funny thing is Outlook is now a better client than TB!. Outlook MP 2003 has virtual folders, an excellent filtering system, secure MP e-mail reading features such as not downloading pictures or running MP scripts. dropping off the list.. Any idea how I can get all my mails from TB into Outlook Graham The 'classic' root is to install Eudora, import your Bat mail into Eudora then use O/L to import from Eudora. It's long winded but it works. I set up O/L 2002 and moved all my email from Agent via Eudora. I gave up on O/L though because (a) it doesn't use conventional 'unix' mail boxes so transferring mail is a pain and (b) it's not very good at threading - you seem to have to play around with group this group that etc. and end up with a gray bar you have to click to see your mail. Don't know if 2003 is any better? -- Best wishes Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:01:38 +0800, M i c C u l l e n [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The real problem here is, as ever, the complete lack of meaningful communication from Ritlabs. Makes me wonder how a company selling email products can't handle it... :-) I mean... I subscribed to their newsletter or announce mailinglist or whatever it was called when I bought v1.62r, and did so again when I upgraded to v2. The only mail I ever got was an advertisement for their SecureDisk product. who *has* the information? Did beta testers know that everything in v2.13beta would turn into a new v3? -- Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: v3.0 b1
Hi Alexander, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 1:40:10 PM, you wrote: ASK On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:01:38 +0800, M i c C u l l e n [EMAIL PROTECTED] ASK wrote: The real problem here is, as ever, the complete lack of meaningful communication from Ritlabs. ASK Makes me wonder how a company selling email products can't handle it... ASK :-) I mean... I subscribed to their newsletter or announce mailinglist or ASK whatever it was called when I bought v1.62r, and did so again when I ASK upgraded to v2. The only mail I ever got was an advertisement for their ASK SecureDisk product. ASK who *has* the information? Did beta testers know that everything in ASK v2.13beta would turn into a new v3? I get the feeling they just decided the other day to change it to v3 to get some extra cash. It didn't seem planned at all. -- Morgan http://mpugh.co.uk PGP Key: http://mpugh.co.uk/pgp.asc Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
Alexander, On 01-09-2004 14:40, you [ASK] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: ASK who *has* the information? Did beta testers know that everything in ASK v2.13beta would turn into a new v3? If you by beta testers mean (the majority of?) the people who have been finding and reporting bugs on tbbeta@, then no - which even a cursory read of that mailing list will acknowledge. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 2.13 Lucky Beta/8 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1/os Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! v3 (Was: Re: v3.0 b1)
Anne, [A] wrote: As I understand it the Home version is the existing TB! that we're all used to, and the Pro version includes the features previously found in SecureBat - i.e. hardware tokens etc. To add to that, all the Security features available previously available in SecureBat! are not only there but are optional. They are actually switched off by default. -- -= Allie =- The Bat! v3.0 · Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) . Falls don't kill people. It's the deceleration trauma. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
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@ @ when Cory wrote:
Personally I've been using and advocating TB for over 5 years now, but
this definitely is the end.
I stopped advocating when versions 1.6... had appeared (I really and
sincerely was delighted before; it was not because of $10.000 (-: ). It
simply stopped itself. I couldn't find a heart for doing this. (-: But
TB still has enough {valu|us}able features, regardless all excrescence
it carries on around, no matter how strange, and sometimes poky, it
looks.
We're with 6 pro users (add to that my personal), as I'm the (mail)
admin and in charge with the sw to use, I'll most likely transfer us
to Mercury.
The one I never tried yet. Perhaps I will, when find some time.
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Mica
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Re: TB! v3 (Was: Re: v3.0 b1)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was Tue, 31 Aug 2004, at 22:16:29 -0500, @ @ when Jack Morrison wrote: PS: Memo to self: Never, ever upgrade to another version of The Bat! without there being a GOOD reason to do so. I should have known better Well, all the new/fixed features should be listed clearly and correctly (and under some guarantee, money back and similar) prior to any public releasing, so the customer is able to *see* what s/he has in mind to buy. It generates a real respect and trust; and such a voice spreads fast. Contrarily, the politics of company defines the politics of users. It also spreads fast. Might be even faster. That's very simple and clear thing. - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBNckj9q62QPd3XuIRAgAHAJ4koDmzcrTKVMw3zc0+3zvwVmqz4gCfTuwJ P+VBjE4+u7GNXqhgZo9eUGw= =OGAu -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Dear Martyn, @1-Sep-2004, 13:01 Martyn Drake [MD] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Alexander: ... snip like that of TB's ALT-L keyboard shortcut - I'm using it all the time. MD The question is - when will the Micro Ed editor have the ability MD to properly re-flow quoted text without the need to use the MD justify left (ALT-L) keyboard shortcut? It already does and has for about three years. Just turn on auto-format for realtime re-flowing of paragraphs. Turn it off when not editing paragraphs (lists). Ctrl-Shift-F is the shortcut key. MD It's irritating when an email client (not just The Bat!) doesn't MD do it for you - more so in Thunderbird than any other client. When MD you do Rewrap (or ALT-L in The Bat!) it does it wonderfully - but MD why can't it do this when you hit the Reply button so that the MD user is left with a beautifully formatted email ready to reply to? MD :) It can. See Editor preferences: Smart wrapping of quoted text. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone --List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpujs3KKmSqs.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello M, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 1:18:01 PM, you wrote: Mark Does it still uses loads of memory for doing practically nothing? :-) MicCullen But if it's already your calendar because it syncs with yer Palm... Must be you didn't try Time Chaos (that does sync too)! :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 2.12.03 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Graham, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 5:13:28 AM, you wrote: GD Anyone got any other suggestions for mail clients ? The best suggestion that I have heard is stay with 2.12. It works well enough for me (but I don't need IMAP ... which was promised for 2 ... wasn't it? :-/ ) -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hi Mark, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 2:53:52 PM, you wrote: MP Hello M, MP Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 1:18:01 PM, you wrote: Mark Does it still uses loads of memory for doing practically nothing? :-) MicCullen But if it's already your calendar because it syncs with yer Palm... MP Must be you didn't try Time Chaos (that does sync too)! :-) I wish it were possible to sync my TB! calander with a portable device (I have a Pocket PC so there is probably no chance in hell but I would gladly switch to a Palm if I could sync with TB!). Does anyone know if this is possible? Sorry for the thread hijack :/ -- Morgan http://mpugh.co.uk PGP Key: http://mpugh.co.uk/pgp.asc The Bat! 3.0 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hi, On Wednesday, September 1, 2004 at 12:13:28 PM, Graham Dodd wrote: Anyone got any other suggestions for mail clients ? Becky! -- Ludovic LE MOAL (Quimper - France) URL:http://www.lemoal.org/ ICQ# 92250692 Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows 98 4.10 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Clive, You KNOW this do you? No, I don't _know_. After all, as the one beta tester who appears to have rushed in and bought a new licence, Ritlabs would have thrown a welcome party for you. Of course, with loads of champagne and vodka... but I like beer an there was none. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! v3 (Was: Re: v3.0 b1)
Hello Mica, ...so the customer is able to *see* what s/he has in mind to buy. You can download it and trial it for one months before deciding if you'd want to upgrade. Isn't that enough? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
==Original message text=== From: MikeD (3) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Graham Dodd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 3:55:46 PM Subject: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1 M3 Hello Graham, M3 Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 5:13:28 AM, you wrote: GD Anyone got any other suggestions for mail clients ? M3 The best suggestion that I have heard is stay with 2.12. It works M3 well enough for me (but I don't need IMAP ... which was promised for 2 M3 ... wasn't it? :-/ ) ===End of original message text=== Stay to 2.12. OK ! And how to take advantage of the new releases with corrected bugs ? Only persons who have paid V.3 will have the released for free ! Great operation for Ritlabs ! -- WilWilWil [EMAIL PROTECTED] TB 2.12.00 Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! v3 (Was: Re: v3.0 b1)
Hi Allie, On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, at 08:02:14 [GMT-0500] (which was 23:02:14 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: To add to that, all the Security features available previously available in SecureBat! are not only there but are optional. They are actually switched off by default. Where do I find them? -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 How do most men define marriage? Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Alexander S. Kunz wrote: For me, proper formatting of text-only messages, including the ability to re-flow quotes, is very important, and neither Outlook nor Opera's M2 or AK-Mail or Thunderbird (haven't tried others) has any function like that of TB's ALT-L keyboard shortcut - I'm using it all the time. MicroEd and Templates are what I am already missing most about TB by moving to Thunderbird, but I've come to a point where those features are not sufficient for me to put up with TB's poor IMAP performance. -- Dave Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Morgan, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 3:59:01 PM, you wrote: MP I wish it were possible to sync my TB! calander with a portable device MP (I have a Pocket PC so there is probably no chance in hell but I would MP gladly switch to a Palm if I could sync with TB!). I don't know about the TB! calendar (do you mean the scheduler?), but I can sync Time Chaos with my Pocket-PC (annex GPS). MP Sorry for the thread hijack :/ I will hijack one of yours later on! :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 2.12.03 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 6:53:52 AM, you wrote: MP Must be you didn't try Time Chaos (that does sync MP too)! :-) So does Lotus Organizer ... TBv.2.12.00 NT5 SP4 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 6:55:46 AM, you wrote: M3 The best suggestion that I have heard is stay with M3 2.12. It works well enough for me (but I don't need M3 IMAP ... which was promised for 2 ... wasn't it? :-/ ) And has it improved with v3? I've tried at least 3 other IMAP clients which are supposed to be excellent, but if that's the case, I figure IMAP has a high vacuum rating ... I would hope TB could do better :-( Lynn TBv.2.12.00 NT5 SP4 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 6:21:49 AM, you wrote: MDP It can. See Editor preferences: Smart MDP wrapping of quoted text. It's checked in my preferences, but doesn't do it .. Lynn TBv.2.12.00 NT5 SP4 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello WilWilWil, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 9:48:26 AM, you wrote: W ==Original message text=== W From: MikeD (3) [EMAIL PROTECTED] W To: Graham Dodd [EMAIL PROTECTED] W Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 3:55:46 PM W Subject: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1 M3 Hello Graham, M3 Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 5:13:28 AM, you wrote: GD Anyone got any other suggestions for mail clients ? M3 The best suggestion that I have heard is stay with 2.12. It works M3 well enough for me (but I don't need IMAP ... which was promised for 2 M3 ... wasn't it? :-/ ) W ===End of original message text=== W Stay to 2.12. OK ! And how to take advantage of the new releases with corrected bugs ? W Only persons who have paid V.3 will have the released for free ! Great operation for Ritlabs ! The announcement I received said the discount was good until Dec 1st. That should be plenty of time to see if they get enough of the bugs out and features in to justify the cost. At the moment, 2.12 works well enough that I can wait without problem g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Lynn wrote: M3 The best suggestion that I have heard is stay with M3 2.12. It works well enough for me (but I don't need M3 IMAP ... which was promised for 2 ... wasn't it? :-/ ) And has it improved with v3? I've tried at least 3 other IMAP clients which are supposed to be excellent, but if that's the case, I figure IMAP has a high vacuum rating ... I would hope TB could do better :-( I've decided I'm not even going to spend my money or time to find out if IMAP is any better on V3. I purchased the V2 upgrade a year ago for the promised fully-functioning IMAP support. Initially IMAP was quite unusable and I had to resort to other clients. Eventually I returned to TB when IMAP became somewhat usable. However, one year later with version 2.12, IMAP performance is unsatisfactory. Several times a day I get a parade of exception errors and have to kill TB from the task manager. Several times a day TB closes of it's own accord. When I reopen after either of these events, there are two copies of every message in every folder. I have to close and reopen TB to rectify that. There are numerous other annoyances and performance problems with IMAP. I had stuck it out thinking that surely the bugs would be worked out and v2 would prove eventually to be a stable IMAP client. However it never did. I've paid Ritlabs once for a functional IMAP client and never received it. I'm not going to pay again just on the hope that maybe someday it will be a good IMAP client. I'll stay subscribed to the lists and will keep watching TB. Maybe after some time I'll give v3 a try and see if has become an acceptable IMAP client, but for the time being I'm evaluating alternatives. -- Dave Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! v3 (Was: Re: v3.0 b1)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was Wed, 1 Sep 2004, at 16:45:37 +0200, @ @ when MAU wrote: Hello Mica, ...so the customer is able to *see* what s/he has in mind to buy. You can download it and trial it for one months before deciding if you'd want to upgrade. Isn't that enough? It depends, Miguel. (-: Have you ever tried to work (especially estimating something new) anything more seriously with a slapping popups, constant interruptions and disabled features around? ...I'll yet add something, (-: since I find it just appropriate for this moment, when the chase for the new version crack is all around as a fever... I personally feel, and even think, and am not even at least alone, that it represents no guard for any software: those who will buy it will buy it anyway, and those who will not, will not. They will crack it and will use a software this way. As it happens all the time. Especially with TB, and we all are aware of this. So, the trials, which work this way, with disabled features and annoying user interrupting him constantly, never can be a good solution. It can only make him nervous and will drive him crazy, and he will eventually use a crack. Another essential thing, which causes such attitude, is *relationship* an author/company builds toward its customers/users. This is a best protection and a best opportunity for building a really fear-play atmosphere. Then the both sides will respect each other, and the fight for money will not have such strong influence. The atmosphere will be much more relaxed, authors will have more money, customers will work at peace and ease, will feel good and the mutual cooperation will be much more fruitful. (-: Contrarily, we just get a worse software by a higher price, angry customers, and the eternally over-heeding authors under tension, in general. Exceptions are just few. My humble suggestion is, hence, to try making TB *really* fully functional for these 30 days, with no tricks and lies (therefore without underestimation of intelligence of a customer, and his/her personality, which triggers certain and adequate reactions), and to apply such attitude to *entire* range of the work. I *guarantee* that after some period (let's say one year, or even more, depending on previous impressions the previous attitude has generated) the company will bloom, and will stay respected and enough rich forever. (-: But - it is *not* easy. Lots of that has to be changed. Until then... (: The glory, and popularity TB had once, is past, and hence the feelings of users of that time shouldn't be confused with TB situation today, and counting on them, these feelings, would be a great faux pas. They do not exist anymore. A serious business(wo)man will always make a serious and objective analyze (if s/he has a serious ambition to be in business). S/he will not peck randomly, as a blind red jungle fowl, relying on luck and glory. Glory comes and goes. (-: As a sparkle glimmering shortly on the sea surface. It's nice but lasts for a moment. Being a King of the Oceans, is quite another thing. - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBNf9G9q62QPd3XuIRAkw6AJ91PjSY/wjkpvazB5DIUatgigS+bQCdHlfL olgf9F7GaTVdhRC8+/Nvpkk= =LY2y -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Lynn, 01-Sep-2004 17:56, you wrote: MDP It can. See Editor preferences: Smart wrapping of quoted text. It's checked in my preferences, but doesn't do it .. I'm using the %SmartQuotes macro from the MyMacros pack for that: http://en.barin.com.ua/soft/mymacros/ -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Neurobiology cannot be learned at the feet of a guru. -- E. O. Wilson Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! v3 (Was: Re: v3.0 b1)
Hello Mica Mijatovic, 01-Sep-2004 18:56, you wrote: It depends, Miguel. (-: Have you ever tried to work (especially estimating something new) anything more seriously with a slapping popups, constant interruptions and disabled features around? So, the v3 trial isn't only time-limited, but also lacking functionality? :-( -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Do you see this egg? With it you can overthrow all the schools of theology, all the churches of the Earth. -- Denis Diderot Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 10:27:17 AM, you wrote: ASK I'm using the %SmartQuotes macro from the MyMacros ASK pack for that: ASK http://en.barin.com.ua/soft/mymacros/ thanks .. I'll check it out! TBv.2.12.00 NT5 SP4 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
As a new user who bought my v2 licence on 20th August, try *very* annoyed. Yeah, I know how you feel Mike - I only got my licence on the 6th of August myself. I found out about the v2.13 beta on BetaNews, was looking forward to the final (due to apparently being able to customize the toolbar). I followed it through from v2.13 Beta 1, Beta 2 etc, all the way up to Beta 8 (I wasn't a tester, I was just watching out for the new features/fixes in each version). Then, a day or two ago, I got a message from BetaNews (I signed up my email to get notification of new versions of some programs, including The Bat!), stating that The Bat! v3.0 Beta 1 had been released. I couldn't believe it at first, but when I checked the site, I found out it was true. Ritlabs had dumped the v2.13 Beta, gone straight to a v3.0 Beta. Now I read that the final version is due out today, after only one day or so of testing. Add on to that the fact that a whole new licence is required to be bought to register v3, to say that I am angry at Ritlabs is a major understatement (and I will not be paying to upgrade to v3.0). -- Chris Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: v3.0 b1
Hi Chris, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 1:52:17 PM, you wrote: As a new user who bought my v2 licence on 20th August, try *very* annoyed. C Yeah, I know how you feel Mike - I only got my licence on the C 6th of August myself. I found out about the v2.13 beta on BetaNews, C was looking forward to the final (due to apparently being able to C customize the toolbar). I followed it through from v2.13 Beta 1, C Beta 2 etc, all the way up to Beta 8 (I wasn't a tester, I was just C watching out for the new features/fixes in each version). Then, a C day or two ago, I got a message from BetaNews (I signed up my email C to get notification of new versions of some programs, including The C Bat!), stating that The Bat! v3.0 Beta 1 had been released. I C couldn't believe it at first, but when I checked the site, I found C out it was true. Ritlabs had dumped the v2.13 Beta, gone straight C to a v3.0 Beta. Now I read that the final version is due out today, C after only one day or so of testing. Add on to that the fact that a C whole new licence is required to be bought to register v3, to say C that I am angry at Ritlabs is a major understatement (and I will C not be paying to upgrade to v3.0). C -- C Chris C C Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: C http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html I am sure Ritlabs will give users who purchased in the past month or two free upgrade to V3. If they don't it is a disgusting attitude for a company. They will not be doing themselves any favours. -- Morgan http://mpugh.co.uk PGP Key: http://mpugh.co.uk/pgp.asc Using TB! 3.0 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
I am quite sure Ritlabs will consider that fact. A 10 days old user should not be charged for the upgrade. From the email from Maxim Masiutin (one of the developers of The Bat!) I saw on the Beta list, it doesn't matter how long you've had the licence. Quoting from the email: The Bat! 3.0 version is due to be released on September 1, 2004. The Bat! 3.0 brings changes into the licence types. Now there will be two licence packages available: -Home (for home usage) -Professional (for commercial activity and advanced users) Beta testers and the privilege category (students, non-commercial organisations, disabled persons, etc.) will receive a 30% discount for either package. This discount is also valid for upgrading to the version 3 from earlier versions of The Bat!. There is a special offer for the educational institutions (universities, schools, etc.): institutions that present proofs of their actual status to RITLABS can benefit of this offer and receive a multi-user licence (for up to 100 work-places) free of charge. Within 3 months (September 1, 2004 through December 1, 2004) registered users of The Bat! version 1 and 2 will have the possibility to purchase The Bat! version 3 with a 50% discount regardless of the amount or the type of the licences bought before. /end quote -- Chris Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB! v3 (Was: Re: v3.0 b1)
Hello Alexander, On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ASK So, the v3 trial isn't only time-limited, but also lacking functionality? No, it's just time limited -- Regards, Richard | Using The Bat! 3.0 SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 1 pgpiXHugctUQT.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
Hi Chris, On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, at 22:57:01 [GMT+1000] (which was 22:57:01 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: I saw on the Beta list, it doesn't matter how long you've had the licence. Quoting from the email: I doesn't actually say that. -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Be reasonable..do it my way. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! v3 (Was: Re: v3.0 b1)
Hello Jack, Why would I want to revert back to a set of standard glyphs that I rejected once before? I thought you wanted to take a look at the new icons, that's all. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! v3 (Was: Re: v3.0 b1)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was Wed, 1 Sep 2004, at 18:56:39 +0200, @ @ when Mica Mijatovic wrote: Another essential thing, which causes such attitude, is *relationship* an author/company builds toward its customers/users. This is a best protection and a best opportunity for building a really fear-play atmosphere. Interesting slip. (-; Should be fair-play instead, of course. - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBNjV39q62QPd3XuIRAiHGAJ4gatssN+YVHN0+IzalIqdmjbMKBACbBX12 VCix2C1zvYaLa8jymJirYQ4= =SnX/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! v3 (Was: Re: v3.0 b1)
Hello Mica, It depends, Miguel. (-: Have you ever tried to work (especially estimating something new) anything more seriously with a slapping popups, constant interruptions and disabled features around? Yes. TB's _only_ popup is when starting it to remind you how many of evaluation you still have left. Many software do that. And, to my knowledge, TB doesn't have any disabled features during evaluation. snipped the rest -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
Hello M, But where's the cut-off point? How long is a piece of rope? How many grains make a bunch of rice? ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Alternative emailers (was: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1)
Hello TBUDL, on Wed, 1. Sep 2004 at 12:13:28 +0200 Graham Dodd wrote: Anyone got any other suggestions for mail clients ? This is my list-to-test.. mahogany Thunderbird Becky Pocomail Bloomba Foxmail -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc ICQ#152282665 Random software tip: [***] WinAmp Advanced Controls (http://www.niversoft.com/products/nadvctrls-en.html) Lifted with The Bat! 2.12.03 on Windows XP Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! v3 (Was: Re: v3.0 b1)
On Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 9:53:08 PM, MAU wrote in message: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] M Yes. TB's _only_ popup is when starting it to remind you how many of M evaluation you still have left. Many software do that. It also happens when you click to create a new account Miguel. -- Cheers, Anne Registered Linux user #345132 Flying high with The Bat! v2.12.00 on Xandros Desktop Deluxe v2.0 Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Alternative emailers (was: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1)
Hæ! Thursday, September 2, 2004, 00:47, dAniel hAhler wrote: mahogany Thunderbird Becky Pocomail Bloomba Foxmail Add Mulberry (especially when you use IMAP). -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | aesir media http://www.aesir.de/ [The Bat! v2.12.03 without BayesIt on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
On Thursday, September 2, 2004 @ 6:21:01 AM, MAU wrote: [snips] But where's the cut-off point? MAU How long is a piece of rope? How many grains make a bunch of rice? My point exactly. Seeing as Ritlabs are maintaining their usual communication policy (ie nothing useful, no help, no answers to either the lists or to email sent to the addresses on their site, mostly just smartarse replies to serious issues), how can you tell? Answer: you can't. MAU ;-) Yep, it's extraordinarily funny, I agree. -- cheers, Mic (reply address works) The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn. Alvin Toffler Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! v3 (Was: Re: v3.0 b1)
Hello Anne, It also happens when you click to create a new account Miguel. Sorry, I didn't know that. I haven't created a new account in many months. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! v3 (Was: Re: v3.0 b1)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was Wed, 1 Sep 2004, at 22:53:08 +0200, @ @ when MAU wrote: Hello Mica, MAU. :-) It depends, Miguel. (-: Have you ever tried to work (especially estimating something new) anything more seriously with a slapping popups, constant interruptions and disabled features around? Yes. TB's _only_ popup is when starting it to remind you how many of evaluation you still have left. Not only when starting. I do much more things than only starting it. Many software do that. What does that many means, when we talk of how? :-) And, to my knowledge, TB doesn't have any disabled features during evaluation. To my knowledge too, but my knowledge is not always present with me, that is, or, I am not always clear when exposing it. snipped the rest Sad but true. :) A good hunk of it. Even the part of glimmering vawes... I agree, there is software whose trials are much more annoying. And I even do not think about these. - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBNljb9q62QPd3XuIRAtm9AJ90r+s28Z5lc3lc31PRwhn8AQxUFwCgj0lv ZPSythOk1ZobpMCS1Sa3SWc= =7DK3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! v3 (Was: Re: v3.0 b1)
On Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 7:55:31 PM, Jack wrote in message: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] J Now, let's count the days before Ritlabs actually confirms that, okay? Jack they already did - Maxim posted earlier about it which is where I read it. -- Cheers, Anne Registered Linux user #345132 Flying high with The Bat! v2.12.00 on Xandros Desktop Deluxe v2.0 Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Mark, Mark Partous wrote: MP Hello Martyn, MP Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 12:38:28 PM, you wrote: Does it still top post? MD Unfortunately it does. But thankfully somebody came up with a solution to MD that and this is what I've been using for many months without any issues: MP Does it still uses loads of memory for doing practically nothing? :-) Does The Bat 3 still have the connection center malfunction? -- Best regards, Dennis - Jim Brady depended on the Government to protect him. The Human Race sadly using The Bat! 2.12.00 Windows 2000 Professional 5.0.2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello John, John Phillips wrote: JP Hi Morgan, JP On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, at 11:15:27 [GMT+0100] (which was 20:15:27 Australian JP Eastern Time) you wrote: The funny thing is Outlook is now a better client than TB!. Outlook 2003 has virtual folders, an excellent filtering system, secure e-mail reading features such as not downloading pictures or running scripts. JP Does it still top post? Top posting good. Bottom posting annoying! -- Best regards, Dennis - The people defend freedom - not the government! The Human Race sadly using The Bat! 2.12.00 Windows 2000 Professional 5.0.2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
v3.0 b1
i notice my registration key no longer works for this version... Will I have to purchase another one ? -- Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
Critter said: i notice my registration key no longer works for this version... Will I have to purchase another one ? Unfortunately, it seems the answer is yes. You will have to purchase another one.:( Needless to say, it appears A LOT of people are not impressed with this decision. Further discussion on this topic can be found here: http://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta%40thebat.dutaint.com/ -- Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:45:22 +0100 (BST), AceMan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, it seems the answer is yes. You will have to purchase another one.:( ah well, that sucks. is my tb gonna die, if i go back a version now? -- Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
Hallo Critter, On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:45:22 -0400GMT (31-8-2004, 20:45 +0200, where I live), you wrote: C ah well, that sucks. is my tb gonna die, if i go back a version now? No. However when you've changed your account settings in the latest beta cycle (starting from 2.13), you will loose those settings, since the account info is stored in a different file. (account.cfn instead of account.cfg) Most dramatic would be if you'd added a new account in 2.13/3.0 -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 3.0 Beta/1 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. pgpcnuJR0XPkO.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
Hi Critter, on Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:45:22 -0400GMT, you wrote: C is my tb gonna die, if i go back a version now? Certainly not. You can use version 2.x as long as you please without having to obtain a new key. -- Cheers Peter Keyboard not found. Press F1 to continue. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
Hello AceMan, 31-Aug-2004 19:45, you wrote: Needless to say, it appears A LOT of people are not impressed with this decision. Further discussion on this topic can be found here: http://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta%40thebat.dutaint.com/ I'm not getting any wiser reading that. Can anyone shed some light on the issue? Whats going on? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Ice Water? Get some Onions - that'll make your eyes water! -- Groucho Marx Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
Needless to say, it appears A LOT of people are not impressed with this decision. Further discussion on this topic can be found here: http://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta%40thebat.dutaint.com/ I'm not getting any wiser reading that. Can anyone shed some light on the issue? Whats going on? Well, this is merely my take on it but, to cut a long story short TB! v3 (Yes, that's right. Final release apparently) is out tomorrow. Bugs still remain in v2 (and considering Beta 1 of v3 came out yesterday, it is assumed v3 *probably* contains a fair few bugs too) Supposedly promised features for v2 will now not be delivered for v2. Registered users are expected to pay for the upgrade to v3.bugs included. :( -- Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.0 b1
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:00:49 +0100, AceMan wrote: Needless to say, it appears A LOT of people are not impressed with this decision. Further discussion on this topic can be found here: http://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta%40thebat.dutaint.com/ I'm not getting any wiser reading that. Can anyone shed some light on the issue? Whats going on? Well, this is merely my take on it but, to cut a long story short TB! v3 (Yes, that's right. Final release apparently) is out tomorrow. it's out, I'm running it :) Bugs still remain in v2 (and considering Beta 1 of v3 came out yesterday, it is assumed v3 *probably* contains a fair few bugs too) so mush for a long beta cycle :) Supposedly promised features for v2 will now not be delivered for v2. I haven't heard this yet. Registered users are expected to pay for the upgrade to v3.bugs included. unless they send you a registration key... Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB! v3 (Was: Re: v3.0 b1)
Well, this is merely my take on it but, to cut a long story short TB! v3 (Yes, that's right. Final release apparently) is out tomorrow. it's out, I'm running it :) Yes, I'm trying it out now too. I'll reserve judgement on it for now :) (TBH, I thought it was a misprint or something and that it wouldn't *really* be out tomorrow/today ;) Bugs still remain in v2 (and considering Beta 1 of v3 came out yesterday, it is assumed v3 *probably* contains a fair few bugs too) so mush for a long beta cycle :) LOL. Indeed. Must have been some helluva internal beta test ;) Supposedly promised features for v2 will now not be delivered for v2. I haven't heard this yet. True. This is hearsay at this point. I should have made that clearer. Sorry :) Registered users are expected to pay for the upgrade to v3.bugs included. unless they send you a registration key... Well, we can't all be that lucky! I guess the rest of us are expected to cough up if we want it :) Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
