Anti-virus? message
Greetings Batties, Ok, let's try this again. I get this warning every time I attach something to an email. (Fortunately I discovered before sending this that the link won't work without the period at the end. You can't just click on the link; you'll have to copy and paste making sure the period is included in the copy.) http://imgsrc.com/?v=untitlbnb. Anyway, the popup continues to re-appear about every 20-30 seconds regardless of how it's disposed of; either clicking OK or clicking the red X. I assume it's almost certainly coming from my Comodo anti-virus but I'm not positive about that. I suppose it could be coming from TB!. Anyway, I thought I'd show it to the list to see if anyone (possibly familiar with Comodo) had any ideas on how to make it stop. It's really annoying. -- TIA, Jack LaRosa Using The Bat! ver: 4.2.42. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-virus? message
Hallo Jack, On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 07:42:13 -0500GMT (22-3-2011, 13:42 , where I live), you wrote: JSL I get this warning every time I attach something to an JSL email. Have you got an plug-in for virus scanner installed with TB? -- Groetjes, Roelof Moderators - I guess everyone has to get off welfare sometime. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 5.0.0.151 RC1 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 5 pop3 accounts, 3 imap account OTFE disabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgppcPqOr5gCX.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-virus? message
Hello Roelof, On Tuesday, March 22, 2011 you wrote: RO Hallo Jack, RO On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 07:42:13 -0500GMT (22-3-2011, 13:42 , where I RO live), you wrote: JSL I get this warning every time I attach something to an JSL email. RO Have you got an plug-in for virus scanner installed with TB? Not that I'm aware of. How would I find out? -- Jack LaRosa Using The Bat! ver: 4.2.42. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-virus? message
Hallo Jack, On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 08:56:16 -0500GMT (22-3-2011, 14:56 , where I live), you wrote: RO Have you got an plug-in for virus scanner installed with TB? JSL Not that I'm aware of. How would I find out? options - preferences - virus/trojan alert - anti virus -- Groetjes, Roelof Phone your Moderator at 3 am. for free taglines...!!! http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 5.0.0.151 RC1 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 5 pop3 accounts, 3 imap account OTFE disabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgppH7pcdX9w1.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-virus? message
Hello Roelof, On Tuesday, March 22, 2011 you wrote: RO Hallo Jack, RO On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 08:56:16 -0500GMT (22-3-2011, 14:56 , where I RO live), you wrote: RO Have you got an plug-in for virus scanner installed with TB? JSL Not that I'm aware of. How would I find out? RO options - preferences - virus/trojan alert - anti virus Ok. Well as you can see (http://imgsrc.com/?v=untitlquq.) there does appear to be some sort of anti-virus but I have no idea of how it got there. I un-ticked the Check outgoing mail for viruses and then started another email including an attachment. The pop-up never appeared. So, I guess the problem is solved. Thank you Roelof for your help. -- Jack LaRosa Using The Bat! ver: 4.2.42. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-virus? message
Hallo Jack, On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:26:28 -0500GMT (22-3-2011, 17:26 , where I live), you wrote: JSL Ok. Well as you can see (http://imgsrc.com/?v=untitlquq.) JSL there does appear to be some sort of anti-virus but I have JSL no idea of how it got there. I'd suggest that you select and delete it. -- Groetjes, Roelof Admit nothing! Deny everything! Blame the Moderator! http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 5.0.0.151 RC1 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 5 pop3 accounts, 3 imap account OTFE disabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgp7VR9dd7JEs.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: anti-virus/firewall/etc - Vipre; MAXA cookie manager
Hello Gary, Saturday, September 25, 2010, 2:11:20 AM, you wrote: Another, related topic, is getting rid of cookies tracking you web activities. The best program I\'ve found is MAXA cookie manager. I've another candidate: SUPERAntiSpyware. Fast, precise, and astonishingly inexpensive. Under $20 for lifetime license--at least when I purchased it. Have been using it for several months with perfect results. Turns out anyone using the software can authorize a discount on the price. So here's the discount for everyone on TheBat list. I've pasted in the wording from the product: Please visit the following link to download your free [trial]copy: http://www.superantispyware.com Because you were referred by edgerm...@earthlink.net, you are eligible for a 25 % discount on your purchase of SUPERAntiSpyware Professional. Please use the discount code FRIEND to receive this instant discount when ordering. This is not spam e-mail. It was sent to you by edgerm...@earthlink.net. Your name has NOT been placed on any mailing nor provided to any other company as a result of this email. Great that there are good products out there! --Ed Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: anti-virus/firewall/etc - Vipre; MAXA cookie manager
Hi: I did a considerable amount of research before coming across Vipre, which is relatively new in the market. http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/ Vipre includes anti-malware/spyware (email protection, file protection) and a firewall, as well as some other tools. A review: http://www.pcantivirusreviews.com/reviews/vipre_antivirus_software.html . That site is a fairly good review site. I've been quite pleased with Vipre, having tried various programs through the years, including Comodo, Webroot, and Fix-it/System Suite (Avanquest). Another, related topic, is getting rid of cookies tracking you web activities. The best program I've found is MAXA cookie manager. http://www.maxa-tools.com/ The interface is gaudy, but the program does the job, and the interface is easy to work with. Another obscure find. Regards, Gary Odom g...@waterfire.us Friday, September 24, 2010 9:41:54 PM The Bat! version 4.2.36.4 OS = Windows XP 5.1 Friday, September 24, 2010, 9:41:54 PM, Jack wrote: Hello Gary, On Friday, September 24, 2010 you wrote: GO On a different topic - I used Comodo for quite a while. Is a GO memory pig and had some odd behaviors, though my recall is fuzzy. GO Moved to Vipre months ago. Am quite satisfied with its features GO and performance. Vipre integrates well with the Bat! for GO anti-virus. GO Regards, GO Gary Odom GO g...@waterfire.us GO Friday, September 24, 2010 2:52:51 PM GO The Bat! version 4.2.36.4 GO OS = Windows XP 5.1 GO Friday, September 24, 2010, 2:52:51 PM, Jack wrote: Hello MFPA, On Friday, September 24, 2010 you wrote: M Hi M On Friday 24 September 2010 at 5:43:56 PM, in M mid:387353621.20100924114...@charter.net, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: Anyone have any idea how I might have brought this plague upon myself and what I might do to cure it? M Have you maybe updated your anti-virus, and the new version has M different defaults? Good question. I'm using the anti-virus that's built in to Comodo and would have no idea where or how Comodo and TB! connect. But I'll look around. Thanks. GO GO Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: GO http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Interesting. Is Vipre also a firewall? I've never heard of it. I used to run ZoneAlarm for a firewall and free AVG for an anti-virus but since I built this computer I was never able to get ZoneAlarm to work properly. In looking around for a replacement for ZoneAlarm I stumbled across Comodo. Since it has an anti-virus built-in, I never installed free AVG. I don't really like Comodo, it's too intrusive although that probably could be tempered if I took the time to learn how to configure it properly. Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Anti-virus plugin
Hello TheBat users Is there any way to use anti-virus Microsoft Security Essentials in conjunction with the program TheBat!? If so how to install? Thanks -- Cheers , Cesar Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-virus plugin
Hi On Wednesday 13 January 2010 at 7:44:05 PM, in mid:162638507.20100113174...@gmail.com, Cesar Santos wrote: Hello TheBat users Is there any way to use anti-virus Microsoft Security Essentials in conjunction with the program TheBat!? If so how to install? You would just install and configure Microsoft Security Essentials according to Microsoft's instructions. There would be no need for any anti-virus plugins for email applications. The answer given at http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/msescan/thread/dbf58560-5b0c-4ba0-9d9b-839e80f78ceb to Does Microsoft Security Essentials automatically scan incoming/outgoing email and attachments for viruses, malware, trojans, etc.? is if you attempt to launch or save an infected attachment, MSE's real time protection will scan and stop it. It does not use the 'smoke and mirrors' approach of scanning email that some other products use which can cause issues with mail sending and receiving. See also http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tutorials/email-scanning/index.htm -- Best regards MFPA When you're through changing, you're through Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-virus plugin
Hello MFPA, Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 6:56:00 PM, you wrote: Is there any way to use anti-virus Microsoft Security Essentials in conjunction with the program TheBat!? If so how to install? M You would just install and configure Microsoft Security Essentials M according to Microsoft's instructions. There would be no need for any M anti-virus plugins for email applications. Thanks. I've already done. -- Cheers, Cesarmailto:tij...@gmail.com Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-virus plugin
Hello Cesar, Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 3:12:08 PM, you wrote: CS Thanks. I've already done. Can you let me know how you make out. I have it installed on a Windows 7 machine and it was very slow when scanning IMAP mail. -- Stuartmailto:skcu...@fastmail.fm Using The Bat! v4.2.19 ALPHA on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-virus plugin
Hello Stuart, Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 10:24:31 PM, you wrote: SC Can you let me know how you make out. I have it installed on a Windows 7 machine SC and it was very slow when scanning IMAP mail. Well, I've simply installed and trusting it is going to behave smoothly. I don't have IMAP configured to TheBat!, but POP3 protocol. I am newcomer to TB! and was using Kaspersky on my desktop and now MS Security Essentials to notebook. Anyway I should give it a try to my Windows 7 x64 installed to desktop and check about how fast does it behave along MS Security Essentials. Thanks. -- Cheers, Cesarmailto:tij...@gmail.com Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Location of Anti-Virus Plugin
Hello MFPA, Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 12:53:53 AM, you wrote: I used to have that file but it disappeared all on its own when I upgraded to v4. Had to re-install Windows. When I downloaded and installed TB! I see it has come back... -- Best regards, MFPA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Look, it's a hat! It's not going to hurt you. Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Location of Anti-Virus Plugin
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:53:53 +, MFPA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to have that file but it disappeared all on its own when I upgraded to v4. Hi, Odd - I upgraded to v4 a few days ago, and it was still listed afterwards. Oh well, I ended up deleting it. I have NOD32 installed, I'll just have to hope that it wasn't a plugin NOD32 had installed, and that my emails continue to be virus scanned... -- Regards, GG Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Location of Anti-Virus Plugin
Hi On Monday 17 March 2008 at 10:42:57 AM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Grumpy Gamer wrote: Does anyone know where the location of the anti-virus plugins in The Bat is? I have an errant plugin (Generic DLL Plugin) listed in Options-AntiVirus (with a status of 'error') and I want to get rid of it if it isn't for an anti-virus I currently have installed. I used to have that file but it disappeared all on its own when I upgraded to v4. -- Best regards, MFPA A bird in the hand makes it awfully hard to blow your nose Using The Bat! v4.0.14 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Location of Anti-Virus Plugin
Hi everyone, Does anyone know where the location of the anti-virus plugins in The Bat is? I have an errant plugin (Generic DLL Plugin) listed in Options-AntiVirus (with a status of 'error') and I want to get rid of it if it isn't for an anti-virus I currently have installed. Problem is, I can't tell which AV it belongs to. If there is a setting in the registry or something that says C:\Program Files\AVG or something, I will be able to tell which AV it belongs to, and whether I can delete it or not. -- Regards, GG Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Location of Anti-Virus Plugin
Hi everyone, Does anyone know where the location of the anti-virus plugins in The Bat is? I have an errant plugin (Generic DLL Plugin) listed in Options-AntiVirus (with a status of 'error') and I want to get rid of it if it isn't for an anti-virus I currently have installed. Problem is, I can't tell which AV it belongs to. If there is a setting in the registry or something that says C:\Program Files\AVG or something, I will be able to tell which AV it belongs to, and whether I can delete it or not. -- Regards, GG Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html http://ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/plugin.php -- Michael J. Sharp - Communications Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using the world's best e-mail client: The Bat! Pro v4.0.18.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with AntispamSniper v2.7.1.7 www.TechniSmart.com Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Location of Anti-Virus Plugin
Hello all, Monday, March 17, 2008, Grumpy Gamer wrote: Does anyone know where the location of the anti-virus plugins in The Bat is? I have an errant plugin (Generic DLL Plugin) listed in Options-AntiVirus (with a status of 'error') and I want to get rid of it if it isn't for an anti-virus I currently have installed. Problem is, I can't tell which AV it belongs to. If there is a setting in the registry or something that says C:\Program Files\AVG or something, I will be able to tell which AV it belongs to, and whether I can delete it or not. when is plugin created by its vendor, like AVG, Avast or Kaspersky, plugin is installed to antivirus home directory and program adds path to plugin into The Bat!'s TBPLUGIN.INI configuration file. If You have AVG instaled and You see Generic DLL Plugin in preferences, remove this one, hit Add and browse AVG direcctory for correct BAV file. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.0.18.1 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, NOD32 Antivirus plugin and AntispamSniper v 2.7.1.7 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 1 GB RAM Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Location of Anti-Virus Plugin
Grumpy Gamer @ 2008-3-17 5:42:57 AM Location of Anti-Virus Plugin mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone know where the location of the anti-virus plugins in The Bat is? My AVG anti-virus plugin is located at: C:\Program Files\AVG\avgbat.bav -- Christopher Using The Bat! v4.0.14 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6000. Accessing POP3 and IMAP4 mailboxs. Today's Oxymoron: Childproof pgpdiZl5lNJeJ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Location of Anti-Virus Plugin
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:42:09 +0100, Marek Mikus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: when is plugin created by its vendor, like AVG, Avast or Kaspersky, plugin is installed to antivirus home directory and program adds path to plugin into The Bat!'s TBPLUGIN.INI configuration file. If You have AVG instaled and You see Generic DLL Plugin in preferences, remove this one, hit Add and browse AVG direcctory for correct BAV file. Hi, Thanks, that is what I was after. Unfortunately, I use the OTFE built-in to The Bat, and that file is encrypted, so I can't read it :( (I don't have AVG installed by the way, I was just using it as an example of who this plugin may belong to as I have had AVG installed in the past - I removed it a while ago, and I was thinking that maybe the uninstallation didn't remove the plugin from The Bat) Maybe I should just risk it and delete the plugin from within The Bat? -- Regards, GG Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD32 anti-virus and The Bat!
Hello MFPA, A test message with Eicar string attached in a txt file is sent without AMON shouting about it but picked up by IMON on receipt. And that was a big surprise to me because I was sure (without actually testing it) that AMON would detect it. But no, you are right, I have been testing also with Eicar and no, AMON scans TB's *.tmp file but does not detect Eicar. I've been talking with the tech support of NOD32's Spanish distributor, who also distribute The Bat!, and they didn't really believe me. They asked me to send them a summary of the problem by email and they said they will make some tests when they have some time. But I don't know if they will or how, because at least the person I talked to didn't seem very knowledgeable to me. He assured me that IMON does scan outgoing email, which it doesn't. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.8 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD32 anti-virus and The Bat!
Hello MAU, Sunday, January 28, 2007, 1:00:38 PM, you wrote: M or *.tmp is not in the list of file extensions to scan. Where do you have a list of file extensions to scan? I only see a(n empty) list of extensions NOT to be scanned... -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 3.95.8 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD32 anti-virus and The Bat!
Hello Mark, M or *.tmp is not in the list of file extensions to scan. Where do you have a list of file extensions to scan? I only see a(n empty) list of extensions NOT to be scanned... In the 'Extensions Editor', try deselecting the 'Analyse all files' tick box at the bottom and it will now list the extensions to scan. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.8 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD32 anti-virus and The Bat!
Hello MAU, Tuesday, January 30, 2007, 5:41:10 PM, you wrote: M In the 'Extensions Editor', try deselecting the 'Analyse all files' tick M box at the bottom and it will now list the extensions to scan. Thanks. Ticked Analyse all files again though... -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 3.95.8 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: NOD32 anti-virus and The Bat!
M or *.tmp is not in the list of file extensions to scan. Where do you have a list of file extensions to scan? I only see a(n empty) list of extensions NOT to be scanned... M In the 'Extensions Editor', try deselecting the 'Analyse all files' tick M box at the bottom and it will now list the extensions to scan. Be aware, though, that adding an extension of a file format which NOD32 is incapable of scanning (like .tbb) will do nothing. NOD32 is still incapable of peaking inside the file. -- Code 2 :canadaflag: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! version 2.12.00 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 In a Podiatrist's window: Time wounds all heels. Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: NOD32 anti-virus and The Bat!
A test message with Eicar string attached in a txt file is sent without AMON shouting about it but picked up by IMON on receipt. M And that was a big surprise to me because I was sure (without actually M testing it) that AMON would detect it. But no, you are right, I have M been testing also with Eicar and no, AMON scans TB's *.tmp file but does M not detect Eicar. M I've been talking with the tech support of NOD32's Spanish distributor, M who also distribute The Bat!, and they didn't really believe me. They M asked me to send them a summary of the problem by email and they said M they will make some tests when they have some time. But I don't know if M they will or how, because at least the person I talked to didn't seem M very knowledgeable to me. He assured me that IMON does scan outgoing M email, which it doesn't. And here's an interesting tidbit. When you install the NOD32 plug-in, AMON (at least I assume it's AMON) will be forced scan outgoing Bat mail. However, the newer, July 2004 version of the plug-in from the German and Czech download sites did not recognize the eicar.txt version of the test virus. It spotted other formats like eicar.com. In addition, the July 2004 plug-in prevents me from saving and opening .pdf files from The Bat. I have now switched back to the older, April 2002 version of the plug-in from the Ritlabs website. This version recognizes the outgoing eicar.txt test virus and has no problem with .pdf files. -- Code 2 :canadaflag: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! version 2.12.00 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 Outside a disco: Smarts is the most exclusive disco in town. Everyone welcome. Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD32 anti-virus and The Bat!
Hello Code, NOD32 is incapable of scanning (like .tbb) will do nothing. NOD32 is still incapable of peaking inside the file. I know. But even if it was capable, I wouldn't let NOD32 (or any other antivirus) fiddle with my mail folders. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.8 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD32 anti-virus and The Bat!
Hello all, Saturday, January 27, 2007, Code 2 wrote: You're right, George, we can use the plug-in to scan outgoing mail. I notice that the plug-in is a test version (version 0.1) and appears to have been developed several years ago for NOD32 version 1. The plug-in seems to work with NOD32 version 2.7 except it generates unexplained, periodic bong noises. Is there a newer version. try this one: http://www.thebat.cz/stazeni/beta/nod32.rar (50kB) -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.95.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, NOD32 Antivirus plugin and AntispamSniper v 1.8.0.7 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 1 GB RAM Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD32 anti-virus and The Bat!
Hi On Sunday 28 January 2007 at 12:00:38 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], MAU wrote: Check you AMON configuration. Either you have some excluded directories or *.tmp is not in the list of file extensions to scan. I just checked mine and added TMP. I believe it was not there by default, as I don't recall previously editing that list. -- Best regards, MFPA I'll tell you what's the matter! This parrot is dead! Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD32 anti-virus and The Bat!
Hi On Tuesday 30 January 2007 at 1:25:04 AM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], MFPA wrote: Hi On Sunday 28 January 2007 at 12:00:38 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], MAU wrote: Check you AMON configuration. Either you have some excluded directories or *.tmp is not in the list of file extensions to scan. I just checked mine and added TMP. I believe it was not there by default, as I don't recall previously editing that list. ...And I have no excluded directories. A test message with Eicar string attached in a txt file is sent without AMON shouting about it but picked up by IMON on receipt. -- Best regards, MFPA Volvo, Video, Velcro. (I came, I saw, I stuck around.) Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD32 anti-virus and The Bat!
Hi On Saturday 27 January 2007 at 1:06:07 AM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], George Mitchell wrote: FWIW, I appear to have v2.51.26 of NOD32. I have 2.50.25 and clicking on update now tells me my installation is up to date and no update is required. -- Best regards, MFPA Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD32 anti-virus and The Bat!
Tuesday, January 30, 2007, 12:47:29 PM, you wrote: FWIW, I appear to have v2.51.26 of NOD32. I have 2.50.25 and clicking on update now tells me my installation is up to date and no update is required. Latest version is 2.70.23 - however at this point you still have to download this manually. The automatic update from 2.5 to 2.7 is still pending and expected soon. -- Tom using TheBat! 3.95.1 on XP Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD32 anti-virus and The Bat!
Hello Code, M 2.- You forward the message after NOD32 signatures have been updated. M Then there is nothing to worry about. Why? Even though NOD32's 'IMON M does not scan outgoing email' and 'on-demand scanner does not scan tbb M files', the infected email/file you are trying to send will be detected M by AMON in the bat*.tmp file created and used by TB to compose/send the M message. Try it out. Send a message an then take a look at AMON and see M the name of the last file scanned. I have tested it with the EICAR test virus and AMON does not scan the temp file, and neither AMON nor IMON scan the outgoing mail. Check you AMON configuration. Either you have some excluded directories or *.tmp is not in the list of file extensions to scan. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.8 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD32 anti-virus and The Bat!
Hello Code, Having said that, a situation could arise where I receive an infected e-mail which NOD32's IMON module does not yet recognize (as happened to me last week with the Fuclip.A worm). That infected e-mail would sit undiscovered in my inbox despite several NOD32 on-demand scans. Since NOD32's IMON module does not scan outgoing mail, I could unwittingly forward it to, and infect, an unsuspecting recipient. Is Spain we say Yes, and if my mother had wheels she would be a bicycle. Meaning that is a very unlikely situation to happen. Why? Consider two possible cases: 1.- Unwittingly or not, you forward the file _before_ NOD32 signatures have been updated. Then there is nothing you can do. Even if NOD32 scanned outgoing email or the tbb files, it would not detect the virus. Then, whoever receives your forwarded message would only be infected if (s)he is not using an antivirus or, if using one, it doesn't detect yet this new virus either and (s)he does open the attachment before his/her antivirus is updated. 2.- You forward the message _after_ NOD32 signatures have been updated. Then there is nothing to worry about. Why? Even though NOD32's 'IMON does not scan outgoing email' and 'on-demand scanner does not scan tbb files', the infected email/file you are trying to send will be detected by AMON in the bat*.tmp file created and used by TB to compose/send the message. Try it out. Send a message an then take a look at AMON and see the name of the last file scanned. NOD32 is the best I've come across so far. I fully agree with you on that. A couple of years ago I tried all available at that time. Finally, a note for those using NOD32 Plugin for TB. There seem to be two different versions running around. One at http://tinyurl.com/yuy529 and a different one at http://tinyurl.com/yoo2q3 -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.95.8 Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: NOD32 anti-virus and The Bat!
Having said that, a situation could arise where I receive an infected e-mail which NOD32's IMON module does not yet recognize (as happened to me last week with the Fuclip.A worm). That infected e-mail would sit undiscovered in my inbox despite several NOD32 on-demand scans. Since NOD32's IMON module does not scan outgoing mail, I could unwittingly forward it to, and infect, an unsuspecting recipient. M 2.- You forward the message _after_ NOD32 signatures have been updated. M Then there is nothing to worry about. Why? Even though NOD32's 'IMON M does not scan outgoing email' and 'on-demand scanner does not scan tbb M files', the infected email/file you are trying to send will be detected M by AMON in the bat*.tmp file created and used by TB to compose/send the M message. Try it out. Send a message an then take a look at AMON and see M the name of the last file scanned. I have tested it with the EICAR test virus and AMON does not scan the temp file, and neither AMON nor IMON scan the outgoing mail. I have since installed the plug-in for The Bat! and thank heavens the plug-in forces the scan of outgoing mail. M Finally, a note for those using NOD32 Plugin for TB. There seem to be M two different versions running around. One at http://tinyurl.com/yuy529 M and a different one at http://tinyurl.com/yoo2q3 It looks like the German version at http://tinyurl.com/yoo2q3 is a couple years newer than the version on the Ritlabs site (though that doesn't necessarily mean it's better). The newer version has a different user interface when it identifies infected outgoing mail. -- Code 2 :canadaflag: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! version 2.12.00 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 On a butcher's window: Let me meat your needs. Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: NOD32 anti-virus and The Bat!
Having said that, a situation could arise where I receive an infected e-mail which NOD32's IMON module does not yet recognize (as happened to me last week with the Fuclip.A worm). That infected e-mail would sit undiscovered in my inbox despite several NOD32 on-demand scans. ASK drool ASK Horror, panic, tragedy! ASK /drool ASK What harm would an unrecognized piece of malicious code do to you, as ASK long as it sits in an email message where it can't be executed? You have ASK to manually safe/open the attachment with the malicious code (and if you ASK do that, it is proof that virus scanners are required mostly to protect ASK people from themselves). ASK Even when you're using one of the not-so-secure email programs - the ASK last vulnerability in Outlook/OE that allowed code execution upon ASK previewing a message was... hmmm... years ago, I'd say. ASK In other words, these statements of antivirus program vendors are mostly ASK there to sell their product and spread FUD. The virus doesn't harm me, obviously, when it sits dormant in my inbox. However, you clipped the key sentence from the end of my paragraph: Since NOD32's IMON module does not scan outgoing mail, I could unwittingly forward it to, and infect, an unsuspecting recipient. At best, it would be embarrassing to forward infected mail to a client. At worst it would be unprofessional, negligent and harmful. I don't think it's too much to expect an anti-virus application to be able to locate viruses in e-mail files with its on-demand scan, and to scan outgoing mail. -- Code 2 :canadaflag: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! version 2.12.00 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 Japanese hotel room: Please to bathe inside the tub. Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
NOD32 anti-virus and The Bat!
Here's a heads-up for users of NOD32 anti-virus and The Bat!. NOD32's technical support people confirmed to me that NOD32's on-demand scanner cannot scan inside The Bat's messages.tbb data files and therefore cannot spot infected e-mails. However, NOD32's IMON module scans all POP3 traffic and will likely catch any viruses as they arrive. In addition, its AMON module would likely catch any attempt to save, copy or execute the virus file. Having said that, a situation could arise where I receive an infected e-mail which NOD32's IMON module does not yet recognize (as happened to me last week with the Fuclip.A worm). That infected e-mail would sit undiscovered in my inbox despite several NOD32 on-demand scans. Since NOD32's IMON module does not scan outgoing mail, I could unwittingly forward it to, and infect, an unsuspecting recipient. To their credit, NOD32's technical support people have been very responsive and helpful. I have no intention of switching to another anti-virus application; NOD32 is the best I've come across so far. Check out the NOD32 discussion thread I started at http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=163149 and support a fix for this problem. It would also be great if any Bat programmers monitoring this list would contact NOD32 technical support and lend a hand with a fix so these two great programs work together better. -- Code 2 :canadaflag: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! version 2.12.00 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 On a New York convalescent home: For the sick and tired of the Episcopal Church Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD32 anti-virus and The Bat!
Code 2 wrote: snip C2 ...a situation could arise where I receive an infected e-mail C2 which NOD32's IMON module does not yet recognize (as happened to C2 me last week with the Fuclip.A worm). That infected e-mail would C2 sit undiscovered in my inbox despite several NOD32 on-demand C2 scans. Since NOD32's IMON module does not scan outgoing mail, I C2 could unwittingly forward it to, and infect, an unsuspecting C2 recipient. I've disabled the POP3 checking in IMON and use the NOD32 Plugin for TB!: http://ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/plugin/plugins.php With the Plugin there's an option to scan outgoing mail. Plus, you can initiate an on-demand scan from within TB!. If it all works as advertised, the Plugin seems like a pretty good way to go. -- George Using The Bat! 3.95.2 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: NOD32 anti-virus and The Bat!
C2 ...a situation could arise where I receive an infected e-mail C2 which NOD32's IMON module does not yet recognize (as happened to C2 me last week with the Fuclip.A worm). That infected e-mail would C2 sit undiscovered in my inbox despite several NOD32 on-demand C2 scans. Since NOD32's IMON module does not scan outgoing mail, I C2 could unwittingly forward it to, and infect, an unsuspecting C2 recipient. GM I've disabled the POP3 checking in IMON and use the NOD32 Plugin for GM TB!: GM http://ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/plugin/plugins.php GM With the Plugin there's an option to scan outgoing mail. Plus, you GM can initiate an on-demand scan from within TB!. If it all works as GM advertised, the Plugin seems like a pretty good way to go. You're right, George, we can use the plug-in to scan outgoing mail. I notice that the plug-in is a test version (version 0.1) and appears to have been developed several years ago for NOD32 version 1. The plug-in seems to work with NOD32 version 2.7 except it generates unexplained, periodic bong noises. Is there a newer version. While the plug-in helps fill the gap, we still have the problem with NOD232 being unable to scan our messages.tbb files. -- Code 2 :canadaflag: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! version 2.12.00 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 Budapest zoo: Please do not feed the animals. If you have any suitable food, give it to the guard on duty. Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NOD32 anti-virus and The Bat!
Code 2 wrote: C2 You're right, George, we can use the plug-in to scan outgoing C2 mail. I notice that the plug-in is a test version (version 0.1) C2 and appears to have been developed several years ago for NOD32 C2 version 1. The plug-in seems to work with NOD32 version 2.7 C2 except it generates unexplained, periodic bong noises. Is there C2 a newer version. No idea. I got my version from a link someone posted on one of these lists a while back and it works fine (though I think I had to restart TB! and maybe my system before it worked right). I'm not sure what version it is - from within TB! the plugin displays the latest virus signature db version as the version. The .bav file was created on Jul 02, 2004 and was digitally signed by Ritlabs on that date. FWIW, I appear to have v2.51.26 of NOD32. C2 While the plug-in helps fill the gap, we still have the problem with C2 NOD232 being unable to scan our messages.tbb files. Since the plugin will catch a virus coming, going, or when I try to do anything with it I guess I don't see that as a problem. In fact, it seems like I'd just have to exclude those files from NOD32's view so it didn't freak out in cases where the plugin had it handled. That said, it does worry me a bit that the plugin doesn't seem to be getting updated. I'd probably focus my energies on making sure someone's gonna keep that going rather than adding the ability to scan TB!'s .tbb files. -- George Using The Bat! 3.95.2 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Setting up AVG anti virus with TB?
Howdy Mica, Saturday, September 16, 2006, 11:31:40 PM, Mica wrotened: Mica Full name of the program is Avira AntiVir PersonalEdition Classic. Mica Direct link for download is: Mica http://dl7.avgate.net/down/windows/antivir_workstation_win7_en_h.exe Mica Happy anti virusing. That interesting. Might be worth a look. As I do get a little annoyed with avg and something that it runs in the background that eats the processor. Not as bad as windows defender does yet. -- Have Fun, Ben Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.85.03 falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 If a schizophrenic threatens suicide, is it declared a hostage situation? Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setting up AVG anti virus with TB?
Hi On Sunday 10 September 2006 at 8:55:49 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Susanne wrote: Do I have to go back to NAV? Entirely up to you. Never used NAV but heard plenty bad stories about it. Could not get on with AVG but my sister loves it. Nod32 came highly recommended, requires no plugin, works well for me (although its scanning slows the system noticeably). -- Best regards, MFPA Keep them dry and don't feed them after midnight Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setting up AVG anti virus with TB?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 16 Sep 2006, @ @ at 22:18:16 +0100, when MFPA wrote: On Sunday 10 September 2006 at 8:55:49 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Susanne wrote: Do I have to go back to NAV? Entirely up to you. Never used NAV but heard plenty bad stories about it. Could not get on with AVG but my sister loves it. Nod32 came highly recommended, requires no plugin, works well for me (although its scanning slows the system noticeably). And while I am still in the mood to give some help around... AntiVir doesn't need any plug-in too (so you don't have to bother yourself with it, and related problems), for it will check all and everything dealing in any way with the machine (http, ftp, mail, `ordinary' files and so off). It is free (like in `free beer') for personal use. It is (now) faster than NOD32, and slows nothing down. If a `bad' mail is trying to enter, AntiVir will block this particular message (no entire message base will be blocked) and will ask you what to do with it. When it is solved it will allow further download of the mail. Internet update is very fast. You just have to download new whole version every 5 or six months, since this is the period of time the (free) licence is valid. The file is about 12 MB. It is very easy for handling, easier than AVG and many other AV programs. Once you set it up, you forget it. Silent and dangerous. Very good for beginners, but for much more experienced ones too. The home page is... I can't recall and there anyway is nothing special on it. Full name of the program is Avira AntiVir PersonalEdition Classic. Direct link for download is: http://dl7.avgate.net/down/windows/antivir_workstation_win7_en_h.exe It has a nice red umbrella, that can be open and closed, squatting on the system's tray. (I'd prefer a dark yellow, but whatever...) Happy anti virusing. - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4217 o tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQEVAwUBRQx7SrSpHvHEUtv8AQjMLwgAnyfcYEmfe8v+JXzInbyoDBySWQoZLpej 5n+wyr3/THztTKe3UxfDk1ISQgFCdj+VgmUfgvIiE4jpCZfkbnPMTzU9KJJUZchR MOli23WGjhM9JtK9g7uKEf92mqMXWy9yQqFvpPoUL5vhyiNlGs/sksQCKr9ZnyHf KblxHou2XdSc6z+tUCVBPI0hyVNdy6D3CiqdVn4xUh50OzUw0CcqhKM2aa5PJVaO pDdyH+FaX6ESbCxmbD9LZvVaNpE86uk9mHKcgLwUARuAFcXV4JSjhbcWM4vxAqJ7 qoV0bw1qJ8liwi57/opsqZnkdxo7aN1pAD/4LgVr/FqUXJhrmibCDg== =ML9h -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setting up AVG anti virus with TB?
Hello William and Susanne and whoever else is taking an interest in this thread! On Monday, September 11, 2006, 12:53 AM, you wrote: Slightly OT but as soon as I opened your message NOD32 displayed its always-reassuring signature update dialogue. Maybe there's a message there for you ;-) As a satisfied NOD32 user, I second the message. It's well worth the money. Small footprint, easy to set up, updates automatically and often enough to be reassuring. S Do I have to go back to NAV? As someone else said here recently, Blasphemy! Amen. It's bloated and unreliable, IMO. P.S. I don't think that discussing anti-virus programs and software firewall programs with which to back up The Bat!'s inherent security is all that far Off Topic. Not everyone is subscribed to TBOT. And TBOT is quite erratic about timely posting of messages. Erratic daily, that is. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Setting up AVG anti virus with TB?
Howdy Susanne, Monday, September 11, 2006, 2:47:28 AM, Susanne wrotened: Is the plugin enabled and ready to go? Is email scanning enabled in the control Centre? Susanne Yes to both, but I can detect no obvious sign of the email getting Susanne scanned (I'm new to the program, so I'm not sure if there is Susanne anything showing the email is being scanned). Susanne If I receive an email with a virus attached, should AVG give Susanne a warning message right then, or does it just get thrown Susanne into the quarantine folder without further notice? Mine creates a folder if there isnt one for the account and puts the message in there. You could always check it by using one of those fake virus's... I forget what they are called and where to get them... -- Have Fun, Ben Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.85.03 falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Life is like a box of chocolates; too big a box with too few chocolates. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setting up AVG anti virus with TB?
On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 at 18:47:28 -0700, Susanne wrote: Yes to both, but I can detect no obvious sign of the email getting scanned (I'm new to the program, so I'm not sure if there is anything showing the email is being scanned). Under e-mail scanner select configure and tell it to certify the incoming mail. Then it will leave a message on the incoming mail once it has been scanned -- Robin Using The Bat! v3.85.01 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Popfile v0.22.4 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Setting up AVG anti virus with TB?
Is the plugin enabled and ready to go? Is email scanning enabled in the control Centre? Susanne Yes to both, but I can detect no obvious sign of the email getting Susanne scanned (I'm new to the program, so I'm not sure if there is Susanne anything showing the email is being scanned). Susanne If I receive an email with a virus attached, should AVG give Susanne a warning message right then, or does it just get thrown Susanne into the quarantine folder without further notice? BA Mine creates a folder if there isnt one for the account and puts the BA message in there. BA You could always check it by using one of those fake virus's... I BA forget what they are called and where to get them... The test file is called EICAR and it can be downloaded from one of several websites. -- Code 2 :canadaflag: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! version 2.12.00 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 Sweden: in the window of a Swedish furrier: Fur coats made for ladies from their own skin. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Setting up AVG anti virus with TB?
On Monday, September 11, 2006, at 7:31:14 AM, Robin Anson wrote: Under e-mail scanner select configure and tell it to certify the incoming mail. Then it will leave a message on the incoming mail once it has been scanned Interesting. My plug-in has both incoming and outgoing certification checked, but I'm not seeing any certification on the messages from this list. Before I got the plug-in working, I had AVG Free running from outside of TB! and then every incoming message had a part.txt containing the certification. Now, nada. And the Virus Vault is still empty, as it has been ever since I switched from Eudora to TB! -- Jim Kyle mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Setting up AVG anti virus with TB?
Hi, I'm trying out the free AVG version and have some trouble getting it to scan TB email. The plug-in is there, but during today's complete scan AVG found a TB mail with the netsky virus that it didn't detect when I downloaded the email. It also didn't remove the virus after the complete scan. Do I have to go back to NAV? -- Best regards, Susanne Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setting up AVG anti virus with TB?
On Sunday, September 10, 2006, at 2:55:49 PM, Susanne wrote: I'm trying out the free AVG version and have some trouble getting it to scan TB email. Since switching from Eudora to TB! a couple of months ago, my AVG Email scan has never once found anything in the incoming mail. When I was using Eudora (on a different machine, with AVG Pro) I was getting several copies of Netsky each week. However a detailed scan of my mail folder doesn't show anything has gotten through, so it may be that I'm just being lucky. Meanwhile I'm seriously considering switching this machine from AVG Free to Avast, which I'm using on my XP systems and which seems to be working quite well... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setting up AVG anti virus with TB?
Hello Susanne everyone else, on 10-Sep-2006 at 21:55 you (Susanne) wrote: The plug-in is there, but during today's complete scan AVG found a TB mail with the netsky virus that it didn't detect when I downloaded the email. Which simply means that the virus code is sitting somewhere in one of TBs messagebase files - in a form that is NOT executable and can't do ANY harm until you decide to manually save the virus code to disk - at this very moment the normal filesystem realtime protection kicks in and quarantines the file. You don't get a chance to execute the virus code. It also didn't remove the virus after the complete scan. You would have to delete the infected message from the TB messagebase file that contains it. But again - it can't do any harm there! Do I have to go back to NAV? No way. Viruses are a threat, but NAV is the plague! Rest assured that you don't need an extra virus scanner module/plugin/whatever for emails - as long as you have A: a brain that hinders you from saving malicious attachments to disk (and you do have a brain, or else you wouldn't use TB!) - as long as the virus code is in the TB messagebase, it is NOT a threat - and B: a working filesystem realtime protection - just in case A ever fails - with up-to-date virus signatures. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) There was a door to which I found no key; there was a veil past which I could not see. (The Rub Aiyat of Omar Khayyam) Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setting up AVG anti virus with TB?
Howdy Susanne, Sunday, September 10, 2006, 8:55:49 PM, Susanne wrotened: Susanne I'm trying out the free AVG version and have some trouble Susanne getting it to scan TB email. Susanne The plug-in is there, but during today's complete scan AVG Susanne found a TB mail with the netsky virus that it didn't detect Susanne when I downloaded the email. Susanne It also didn't remove the virus after the complete scan. Susanne Do I have to go back to NAV? Is the plugin enabled and ready to go? Is email scanning enabled in the control Centre? Mine works fine (he said looking at all his lovely shiny quarentine folders). -- Have Fun, Ben Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.85.03 falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 I think you play a little harder when you can taste the light at the end of the tunnel. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setting up AVG anti virus with TB?
Susanne @ 2006-9-10 2:55:49 PM Setting up AVG anti virus with TB? mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The plug-in is there, but during today's complete scan AVG found a TB mail with the netsky virus that it didn't detect when I downloaded the email. It also didn't remove the virus after the complete scan. Perhaps the message was downloaded before you installed AVG. You can have AVG check all of your message. Folder - Check for Viruses Enjoy! -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) pgpQSRzZVXSpy.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setting up AVG anti virus with TB?
Hi, Sunday, September 10, 2006, 1:58:04 PM,[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the plugin enabled and ready to go? Is email scanning enabled in the control Centre? Yes to both, but I can detect no obvious sign of the email getting scanned (I'm new to the program, so I'm not sure if there is anything showing the email is being scanned). If I receive an email with a virus attached, should AVG give a warning message right then, or does it just get thrown into the quarantine folder without further notice? -- Best regards, Susannemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 2.12.00 OS: Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setting up AVG anti virus with TB?
11 September 2006 - 06:48 Hello Susanne, Sunday, September 10, 2006, 8:55:49 PM, you wrote: S I'm trying out the free AVG version and have some trouble S getting it to scan TB email. Slightly OT but as soon as I opened your message NOD32 displayed its always-reassuring signature update dialogue. Maybe there's a message there for you ;-) S Do I have to go back to NAV? As someone else said here recently, Blasphemy! -- Best regards, William Flying with The Bat! Professional version 3.80.06 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Hello Kevin, On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 12:19:07 -0400 GMT(4/3/2005, 11:19 AM -0600 GMT), per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin Coates wrote: I think these types of discussions help elevate awareness of both the problems and the solutions. Words of wisdom! -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.9.13 Return on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Hi On Tuesday 5 April 2005 at 3:22:20 AM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Tim Casten wrote: Hello Anthony, Monday, April 4, 2005, 6:41:58 PM, you wrote: I have OE 6, and I don't see any such option. it a feature in the sp2 version And in the version I have used since 2002. I do not have SP2 installed as it effectively prevents my computer from working. -- Best regards, MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Hi On Wednesday 6 April 2005 at 3:38:26 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], rich gregory wrote: Considering such a system or user trusted don't make it so! If I trust somebody, they are trusted. The trust may, of course, be misplaced. -- Best regards, MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
MFPA writes: If I trust somebody, they are trusted. The trust may, of course, be misplaced. Exactly. By definition, someone must be trusted in every computer system. Whether or not that person is really trustworthy is irrelevant from a security standpoint; what matters in computer security is that people defined as trusted do not have to be audited or prevented from doing things, since by definition they never cause harm. Untrusted parties must be restricted in their actions. For example, by definition, root is trusted on a UNIX system, and Administrator is trusted on a Windows system. And anyone who can enter the correct password for these accounts is trusted by extension. The computer has no way of knowing whether a person with a correct password is truly authorized or not, because the method of checking authorization is to verify the password. -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Use Avast instead. Works like a charm with The Bat!, Thunderbird and Courier. I use them all on a Win XP system... AJ *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 01.04.2005 at 11:05 Jeff Gaines wrote: Hello Group Apologies if this is way off topic for this group but Norton Anti Virus (AKA as Over Bearing Net Nanny, per Marck) is driving me mad, it is now putting up a dialog every ten second telling me my A/V protection is turned off, which it isn't. I have a paid for copy of F-Prot but it doesn't check email which I feel is quite important nowadays. Has anybody any recommendations for an effective A/V product that will work unobtrusively in the background and check my incoming email? I doubt I can repair Norton so I am in for a re-install but I'd like to find a decent A/V app first. Many thanks. -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK :Jeff_Gaines: Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0514-0, 05.04.2005 Tested on: 06.04.2005 19:13:58 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com AJ Blisten [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing address: Ostover, N-2730 Lunner - NORWAY --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0514-0, 05.04.2005 Tested on: 06.04.2005 19:37:20 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[2]: Anti Virus S/W
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 04:22:20 +0200, Tim Casten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have OE 6, and I don't see any such option. it a feature in the sp2 version Its definitely not only in the SP2 version (I activate it on all systems where the people insist to use OE, and only a fraction of that is XP-SP2), but it came with one of the last regular or hotfix Internet Explorer / Outlook Express updates. -- Gruesse / Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Hello Mica, On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 19:11:18 +0200 GMT (05/04/2005, 00:11 +0700 GMT), Mica Mijatovic wrote: The problem is that you usuallly don't know it until being told. In the meantime, you might have shared infected files. MM In the meantime you could learn too. There are many ways. Once scorched MM you'll probably be more careful next time(s), with this source/person. Yes, I've learned. I've learned that anybody whose computer is not infected now, could be infected tomorrow. That's why I always scan attachments before opening them. Are we going in circles yet? Should this be moved to TBOT? -- Cheers, Thomas. Bassist zum Schlagzeuger: Sag mal, was issen eigentlich eine Synkope? - Schlagzeuger: Deine Eins. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Mon, 04 Apr 2005, @ @ at 16:16:37 +0200, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote: On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 15:46:50 +0200, Mica Mijatovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /// So, it *is* about money, since the value system used to estimate a software, is directly derived, to a significant extent, from what money means/represents to someone, a particular person, or a group of them. This will be clearly shown in the mentioned message of mine; and for purely practical reasons we deal with here. Mica, because *you* think it is about money, I still see no need to discuss this any further with you; I tried to mail you off list since this is getting largely OT for quite a while. I am not interested in that kind of conversation, so please stop trying to force me into some higher social details of the story that I see no need to discuss. I've explained my position, please leave me be the way I am. I do not force you (or anyone) at all. (-: This also is not OT at all -- it is exactly in the very heart/core of the topic: evaluation of the software. You have your opinions/experiences I have mine. I listen to the yours, I think, reflect on the them, and am able hence to find something useful for me in it, in various ways. You, though, have different approach, and your attitude in conversation is leave me alone! live me alone! I don't want to hear, don't force me! So, what to do with such communication? (-: In other words, you need just an echo of your attitudes (to feel safe and accepted), while I examine things in order to find a best solution, and am ready by default to change/modify my attitude to fit with those newly discovered facts, regardless where they are coming from, and regardless even if I would receive a punch or two around a corner. So, what such so different approaches can do one with another? (-: Nothing. What a benefit of forcing things then? None. Is a communication possible then? Nope. Do I like Beckett? Yes. Is this a fine day. Yes. Shell I wheel a bit? Yes. (-: But...I'll just say this, on my way to the pleasure ground: pretty much of these tests many of us so passionately tend to accept as a facts, are paid by some money, coming from someone. (To some minds, money has very strong effects on their, proper, working; and, it is not against money, it is about such minds. Money + a cool/cherished mind works *wonders*! Money + frowzy/neglected mind = disaster!) My passions though, I love to direct to other directions. (And please, if you can concentrate somehow on this -- do not quote my address in the body of your replies. I am not angry, but would just love not to see, anyone's, exposed this way. That, in very elementary privacy/security awareness on the end user level. What benefit of a tool if we do not handle it properly?) - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://bardo.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 216 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector via Wine... ~~~ For PM please use my full address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFCUo599q62QPd3XuIRAtL/AKCAgfJJRonuk4vN1Kh3UTDx6WCraQCeIO/Q UMnhfWh+1SE8m0o+uqFRYig= =+JMc -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Hello Mica Mijatovic everyone else, on 05-Apr-2005 at 15:11 you (Mica Mijatovic) wrote: In other words, you need just an echo of your attitudes (to feel safe and accepted) You don't know me other than from some characters on your screen that appeared after I tapped a few keys here and there, and chances are very low that you'll ever get to know me. I am self confident enough that I don't need any approval for my attitude and position. Please, stop analyzing me, Mica. This is baring any sense. EOD -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) The man who has never made a mistake will never make anything else. -- George Bernard Shaw Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
On Tuesday, April 5, 2005, 8:16:14 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Should this be moved to TBOT? No. I don't want to read any more of it there either. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Anti Virus S/W
Hola, Dwight, Tuesday, April 5, 2005, 11:57:50 AM, you wrote: DAC On Tuesday, April 5, 2005, 8:16:14 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Should this be moved to TBOT? DAC No. I don't want to read any more of it there either. Enough already, stop this nonsense, somebody close this thread, please -- Ramon L. Negron (Cuco) PATCO lives!! Air Traffic Controllers tell pilots where to go! Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
rich gregory writes: There is NO SUCH THING as a trusted source, ever. Yes, there is such a thing, depending on one's security policies. For example, most operating systems consider any user with a valid password for a given identifier to be a trusted user of that identifier. -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Tue, 5 Apr 2005, @ @ at 17:36:21 +0200, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote: I am self confident enough that I don't need any approval for my attitude and position. Please, stop analyzing me, Mica. Alexander, I do am aware, excellently, that you are self confident, and it indeed is not my business or I would find appropriate to deal with it, in any personal way. But I also *have* to say, that what I indeed find very appropriate for analyzing are the attitudes and technics you (and all of us) are presenting here, on a public list, related to usage of software. After all, we are all here exactly for such an activity, to analyze and to think about all presented views, opinions and experiences, in order to apply the results in our practice. If you, or anyone else, for any reason, and in any moment, cannot *distinguish/discriminate* these two elementary things, then of course that communication makes no sense and is fruitless. The outcome of such (temporal or more durable) inability of ours to recognize difference between these two things, leads to the famous (and lately already a pretty boring too) feeling that someone is personally attacked and/or treated in any other or similar *personal* way, just by exposing to an analyze the *technics* s/he utilizes. Please, let's recollect ourselves and bring our activities here to a more effective level, putting aside a bit these so vulnerable personalities whining after us all the time. Is that somehow possible? Self confidence can be (and often is!) built even without any special *content*, or even on a totally *wrong* content. This is *not* my target, I do not point to it, and I am not interested in it, as a member of this, expert, list. And, if some elements of our personalities are not distinguished well enough from elements of our topics here, it's not my business to correct this, and to treat this at all. But, if such lack of enough effective discrimination spoils the purpose and diminishes fruitfulness of the activities of the list itself, then I, as a member of this list, have full and legitimate *rights* to complain and to point this, and to call for corrections. This letter, in reply to Alexander's, is addressed to *whole* list. If I am wrong, in any part, please, you all, *let* me know, and I will correct myself, *immediately*. But, again, seek to use a good, *solid* arguments, based on well read and well considered contents. Arguments of a type the earth is pizza-like, and I have 6 (or even thousands of) friends who will affirm/'witness/attest/certify' that too, will make no difference. Thanks! - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://bardo.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 216 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector via Wine... ~~~ For PM please use my full address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFCUs0V9q62QPd3XuIRAjfTAJ4y2WZhkbh4Kv2OPrk1h7v6H1OBQACeOkY9 teNAdYtwM3cdct12ncnoPM0= =U0s5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Tue, 5 Apr 2005, @ @ at 20:16:14 +0700, when Thomas Fernandez wrote: Hello Mica, My wai. [...] Are we going in circles yet? I don't know. I see the things circling around me but I myself am quite steady, and am parked well. How do *you* feel? Should this be moved to TBOT? I don't know. (-: Decide yourself. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://bardo.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 216 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector via Wine... ~~~ For PM please use my full address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFCUs1M9q62QPd3XuIRAkGzAJ9Hm7KP3G4Er1GUmiKQotP+bI+2MQCeLei0 R1570Jebjm4UgmyVhyNHh30= =KExQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Dead horse (was: Re: Anti Virus S/W)
Hallo Thomas, On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 20:16:14 +0700GMT (5-4-2005, 15:16 +0200, where I live), you wrote: TF Should this be moved to TBOT? moderator on Yes. I haven't got an appropriate QT to declare a thread a dead horse, but please take this elsewhere. It's not really TB-related anymore. That counts for all subthreads. moderator off -- Groetjes, Roelof Windows! The magic of turning a 486 into a Gameboy! The Bat! 3.0.9.13 Return Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpYGqzc4vk1B.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Anti Virus S/W
Hi Cuco, On Tuesday, April 05, 2005 at 12:25:26 PM you wrote: PATCO lives!! Yesss! :gdr: -- Regards, Maggie There has been opposition to every innovation in the history of man, with the possible exception of the sword. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Anti Virus S/W
Hola, Maggie, Tuesday, April 5, 2005, 3:22:30 PM, you wrote: M Hi Cuco, M On Tuesday, April 05, 2005 at 12:25:26 PM you wrote: PATCO lives!! M Yesss! :gdr: Glad there are people that still remember, Maggie, you made my day!!! Cuco, ZSU CERAP. -- Ramon L. Negron (Cuco) PATCO lives!! Air Traffic Controllers tell pilots where to go! Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 02:29:15 +0200, Mica Mijatovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, it's about money. I could write some 5-6 KB on this topic, This is not about money, this is about the quality of the software, is that SO hard to understand? -- Gruesse / Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Monday, April 4, 2005, 2:12:15 PM, Paul wrote: PB Have you asked the List about grouping? The list has helped me over PB the years. Oh, yes! I had a gripe quite recently and many tried to help, but to no avail. -- Cheers, Allister :flag-newzealand: New Zealand / Aotearoa Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Hello Arjan de Groot everyone else, on 04-Apr-2005 at 00:07 you (Arjan de Groot) wrote: You really believe this, do you? I do. I've been using personal computers for almost 20 years now and never needed any protection against virusses, trojans or whatever, whatsoever. There was one incident that change my attitude towards this. I'm normally using Opera, but in order to use some pages, as you surely know, one must use Internet Explorer. One of these sites that require IE *and* ActiveX is ebay when you want to sell something and use their advance picture service. At that time exactly, when I was in the need to use the dreaded IE/ebay combination, IE had a security hole that allowed remote installation of code (whichever way, I can't remember). At the same time, one (or some) of the internet advertising service Falk AG's server(s) was hacked and some malicious code was appended to each ad that was served thru that server. Code that exploited the security hole in IE. You already guess it... I start up IE, go to the ebay page, it loads, and suddenly a window pops up that my Virus Scanner has blocked a trojan from installing. I consider myself an experienced and aware user (even though I am using my machine with an admin account usually, I admit). I am behind a hardware router/firewall and have the WinXP built-in firewall enabled. This was such an everyday situation, I dare say it could've happened to everyone... especially since the standard accounts creating during the Win XP installation are administrative accounts, anyway... Ever heard of the average Joe User? :-) Yes. Poor Average Joe User. Buys Norton Antivirus in a shop and believes he's safe... I see postings here that blame the average user, I don't think that is fair. Melissa Reece mentioned a bit of end user education - well, who's going to do that? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Tis not too late tomorrow to be brave. -- John Armstrong, in The Art of Preserving Health Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Hi Alexander, On 4/4/2005 12:54 PM +0200, you wrote: This was such an everyday situation, I dare say it could've happened to everyone... especially since the standard accounts creating during the Win XP installation are administrative accounts, anyway... I got adware/spyware on my machine under similar circumstances. I did nothing active. I had my ad remover switched off since it had caused a problem. That's all ... just allowing ads to show up!!! In a few days of doing that I had popups appearing at system startup etc. I don't visit shady websites either. I do search etc, but I was shocked to say the least. I'd therefore add to my arsenal, ad removal technology. Currently with Opera, I use Kapersky's ad removal functionality. Maxthon has its own built in tool. I see postings here that blame the average user, I don't think that is fair. Melissa Reece mentioned a bit of end user education - well, who's going to do that? True. It's really not a matter of simple education. There's a lot to it. It's ridiculous now and we simply have to run the software rather than sit thinking that we alone can make the difference. I'm sure such user-types exist, but they aren't typical. You gave an example Alex of needing to use IE for a legitimate reason and it compromised your machine without any silly action on your part. -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Everyone hates me because I'm paranoid p7sqF4Tx4Tw9X.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Hello Anthony, On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 22:38:33 +0200 GMT (04/04/2005, 03:38 +0700 GMT), Anthony G. Atkielski wrote: AGA Antivirus products, generally speaking, are inferior substitutes for AGA safe computing practices. They are better than nothing. AGA The only threats that truly justify automated protections are those AGA involving bugs in the software of which you are not aware. This is the AGA principle behind use of a firewall. If your system is properly AGA configured, you theoretically don't need a firewall; but if your OS AGA contains bugs, it's possible that an adversary might compromise your AGA system through legitimate channels by taking advantage of the bug. Firewalls have nothing to do with AV software. AGA If you don't open attachments, and you configure your browser to AGA disallow active content, and you block all incoming ports that are a AGA potential security risk (you can essentially block _all_ ports on a PC AGA that is used only as a client machine), you can be safe, with or without AGA an A/V product. Correct, but impractical. I receive Excel files with executable code in the office. These are legit, and I need to open them. How would I know whether one is infected with a virus? - Only by scanning it. What the situation really demands is a bit of end user education, and there's just no way around it; regardless of how many bits of AV/AT software someone might want to run concurrently (or even having only one running on-access and the other just being available for on-demand scanning). AGA Yes. Conversely, with enough user education, you don't need the A/V AGA software at all. Please educate me how to tell an infected file from a clean one without a virus scanner. -- Cheers, Thomas. Things You Would Never Know Without the Movies: Most laptop computers are powerful enough to override the communication systems of any invading alien civilization. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Hello Anthony, On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 06:02:13 +0200 GMT (04/04/2005, 11:02 +0700 GMT), Anthony G. Atkielski wrote: [...] AGA Then they will get what they deserve. [...] AGA Shared computers are never a good idea. Does this sounds arrogant (or elitaire) or is it just me? -- Cheers, Thomas. Everyone needs belief in something. I believe I'll have another beer. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Hello Alexander, On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:54:53 +0200 GMT (04/04/2005, 17:54 +0700 GMT), Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Yes. Poor Average Joe User. Buys Norton Antivirus in a shop and believes he's safe... ASK I see postings here that blame the average user, I don't think that is ASK fair. Melissa Reece mentioned a bit of end user education - well, who's ASK going to do that? I'd say, it's the school system's responsibility. Fact is, poor Joe is still around (and always will), and he might get infected and wouldn't know about it. He might send me an innocent attachment, and I do want to open it. I scan every attachment, regardless of whether there is a confirmation that 100% virus free in the mail. I didn't follow all messages in this thread. Has it been mentioned yet that no AV software detects all malware? -- Cheers, Thomas. Things You Would Never Know Without the Movies: If you decide to start dancing in the street, everyone you bump into will know all the steps. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Mon, 04 Apr 2005, @ @ at 08:57:42 +0200, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote: On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 02:29:15 +0200, Mica Mijatovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, it's about money. I could write some 5-6 KB on this topic, This is not about money, this is about the quality of the software, is that SO hard to understand? I am sorry to see you that upset, but it is not my fault. If you would read collected and really attentively, and not only my message(s), you would be in a much better position to understand both yourself, others, including your customers/clients, and my messages. *Because*, I do not write and spend my time for nothing here, or in any other list, and at all, or for I have no other things to do in my life. I'll not explain now *why* I write, and in the way I do that, but will just say in this moment that these messages have a *sense*, which cannot be beneficial for someone who do not *think* about the content. And such are not only *my* messages. Do *not* be deluded by my jovial style. Simply do *not*. A serious person, in spite of such a style will indeed pay an appropriate attention to the content. If that is omitted, than it is not my fault. I am doing my part of job, and am giving my best in a given moment, so am expecting the other side doing their. We are not here to quarrel, but to help one another. At least, that's how I understand the purpose of this, and similar, expert, lists. /// So, it *is* about money, since the value system used to estimate a software, is directly derived, to a significant extent, from what money means/represents to someone, a particular person, or a group of them. This will be clearly shown in the mentioned message of mine; and for purely practical reasons we deal with here. \\\ Since you stress understanding, seriousness of security/privacy, I have to please you to pay attention not to quote my address in your replies, and please use a proper way of addressing, when you write me privately/off-list (see the bottom lines in my signature). I see today you have sent me a message off-list but it's been deleted from server, due to improper use of my address... 2005-04-04, 12:56:35: FETCH - Message from [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander S. Kunz [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subject Re: Anti Virus S/W, (ID:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Size:4106 bytes) is marked for DELETION by the filter C5AM-new ...so I would please you to send it again, addressed properly. Also, I would like if you would read again my message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], about mechanisms of external authorities, and big money environments, their specific value systems and ways of operating -- focused to and applied in domain of software, and especially related to the privacy/security branch. I also would like if we would *always* have in our minds the very reason why we are here: to peruse and investigate things, and to exchange our results and experiences -- in order to help one another, in a more effective usage and orientation. It will indeed, sometimes, shake our own value systems up, since the ways of how some apparently unconnected things show actually very tightly connected, if we a bit closer examine (or even better, *experience*) them. But nevertheless, I very appreciate such sort of quakes since it will show me the weak points, and will force me to take a new, much better and stabler position. If I get even some bruises, and expose myself to other sorts of inconveniences in it, it's not that big deal in comparison to what I get as a final result. That's one of reasons I dare to write about some things, in a way I do; even if it is not very popular. (If I wanted to be popular and/or celebrity I would apply quite different approaches, and/or working environments.) As to nativeness of our languages: English is not my native one too. But our mis|understanding here has very little or nothing with it. Practise! Exercise! This is after all a language you encounter daily dealing with computers. The best practice is -- writing and reading. Especially *attentively* reading! And reading *again*. When *I* do so, often just few words in a new context will give me much wider and richer and more precise ways to convey and receive an information. Here you are in position to have practically an interactive course in English. There are members who use this language in so excellent way that learning/improvement gets acceleration in no time. I would appreciate this fact. At least by reading such messages again and again. And to add just this detail, which would serve to depict the situation even a bit better: the same type of misunderstandings I experience -- and not so seldom -- even using my native language, and in my native environment! Since I know each corner and nook of this language, so nobody could fool me about it, I freely may say that exceptionally rarely the reason
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Hi On Monday 4 April 2005 at 2:32:44 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Thomas Fernandez wrote: ... confirmation that 100% virus free in the mail. I once had such certifications turned on for testing purposes and forgot to turn them off before sending an email. The message was bounced back with some comment about anti-virus precautions. I turned off the certifications and resent the same message. It got through and was replied to. -- Best regards, MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 15:46:50 +0200, Mica Mijatovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /// So, it *is* about money, since the value system used to estimate a software, is directly derived, to a significant extent, from what money means/represents to someone, a particular person, or a group of them. This will be clearly shown in the mentioned message of mine; and for purely practical reasons we deal with here. Mica, because *you* think it is about money, I still see no need to discuss this any further with you; I tried to mail you off list since this is getting largely OT for quite a while. I am not interested in that kind of conversation, so please stop trying to force me into some higher social details of the story that I see no need to discuss. I've explained my position, please leave me be the way I am. -- Gruesse / Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 15:34:50 +0200, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AGA Then they will get what they deserve. [...] AGA Shared computers are never a good idea. Does this sounds arrogant (or elitaire) or is it just me? Nope, its not only you. -- Gruesse / Greetings, Alexander Kunz Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Alexander S. Kunz writes: There was one incident that change my attitude towards this. I'm normally using Opera, but in order to use some pages, as you surely know, one must use Internet Explorer. One of these sites that require IE *and* ActiveX is ebay when you want to sell something and use their advance picture service. Don't use the advance picture service. In fact, don't use anything that requires ActiveX. I've never come across anything on the Web that required ActiveX that I could not do without. I have all the ActiveX turned off in MSIE, and nowadays I use Firefox, anyway, in which I've also turned off everything I can, including Flash. -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Allie Martin writes: It's ridiculous now and we simply have to run the software rather than sit thinking that we alone can make the difference. It only gets dangerous when you stop thinking. -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Thomas Fernandez writes: They are better than nothing. Yes, but safe computing practices are better than A/V products, and they are free and do not interfere with the functioning of the OS. Firewalls have nothing to do with AV software. They have a lot to do with safe computing, though. In theory, if you can trust your OS to service open ports properly, you may not need a firewall. In practice, many operating systems can't be trusted that far, especially in the case of general-purpose ports like those used by Windows for remote RPC or NetBIOS. Correct, but impractical. It's very practical. I've been doing it for years. I receive Excel files with executable code in the office. These are legit, and I need to open them. How would I know whether one is infected with a virus? - Only by scanning it. Of course, if it's a virus your scanner doesn't recognize, you'll be infected, anyway. You can open Excel files with Microsoft's free viewer. It won't run macros, but it will let you see the contents. This is sufficient in some cases. Please educate me how to tell an infected file from a clean one without a virus scanner. You don't run files unless they are from a trusted source. Files from a trusted source are clean by definition; files from untrusted sources are never run, so it doesn't matter if they are clean or not. -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Thomas Fernandez writes: Does this sounds arrogant (or elitaire) or is it just me? Some people think the mere notion of people having computers at home is arrogant and elitist. -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Mon, 4 Apr 2005, @ @ at 12:54:53 +0200, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote: I see postings here that blame the average user, I don't think that is fair. Melissa Reece mentioned a bit of end user education - well, who's going to do that? We. The users. When we, as individuals, ponder, and learn some basic and indispensable things, and when we are applying them in our daily practice, then all the rest will *have* to learn few bits of this and that too, just in order to communicate with us, and to share our common communication environment. If I know that someone is not practising appropriate methods in making his/her machine safe, I will not accept an invitation, for instance, to chat with him/her, will not share files with etc. So, if someone really wants me in this environment s/he will *do* what is needed. Like a safe sex. You have to know/learn some facts about physiology, sociology, psychology, anthropology, cosmogony...even if you are not an expert, that is a physiologist, sociologist etcetera. You surely will not have/invite a third person/part to give you a technical support in the moment you have a wish to spend few minutes, or hours, or days...with your sweetheart. (You is here used in a narrative fashion; it's not a direct addressing to you.) - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://bardo.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 215 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector via Wine... ~~~ For PM please use my full address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFCUVUL9q62QPd3XuIRAkxuAJ9l0ScV43MGg/PVJCuz8bNa66l5OQCfXRn+ PG/pB2mxG8VALrv2jjFIlk8= =enB9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Hello Anthony, On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 16:48:35 +0200 GMT (04/04/2005, 21:48 +0700 GMT), Anthony G. Atkielski wrote: They are better than nothing. AGA Yes, but safe computing practices are better than A/V products, and they AGA are free and do not interfere with the functioning of the OS. You missed the point. Firewalls have nothing to do with AV software. AGA They have a lot to do with safe computing, though. In theory, if you AGA can trust your OS to service open ports properly, you may not need a AGA firewall. In practice, many operating systems can't be trusted that AGA far, especially in the case of general-purpose ports like those used by AGA Windows for remote RPC or NetBIOS. I am not talking about ports. I am talking about attached files that may or may not be infected. Correct, but impractical. AGA It's very practical. I've been doing it for years. You are not in business or academy. In those fields, attached files with macros are common. I receive Excel files with executable code in the office. These are legit, and I need to open them. How would I know whether one is infected with a virus? - Only by scanning it. AGA Of course, if it's a virus your scanner doesn't recognize, you'll be AGA infected, anyway. Right. There is no 100% protection, if you need to open those files. But some protection is better than none. This is where the quality of AV software (freeware or pay-for-ware) comes into the equation. Please educate me how to tell an infected file from a clean one without a virus scanner. AGA You don't run files unless they are from a trusted source. Files from a AGA trusted source are clean by definition; This is utter nonsense. I receive files from people who sent me files before. How do I know they haven't been infected in the meantime? AGA files from untrusted sources are never run, so it doesn't matter AGA if they are clean or not. I see. To the extent that I scan the attachments if I really need to see them. Which does happen. What's a trusted source anyway? I get business proposals from people who attach company profiles. I don't know these people. Should I reject all proposals from people who I don't know yet? Unlikely. Be reasonable. -- Cheers, Thomas. What to not say to the nice policeman: I was trying to keep up with traffic. Yes, I know there is no other car around--that's how far ahead of me they are. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Hello Mica, On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 16:54:04 +0200 GMT (04/04/2005, 21:54 +0700 GMT), Mica Mijatovic wrote: MM If I know that someone is not practising appropriate methods in making MM his/her machine safe, I will not accept an invitation, for instance, MM to chat with him/her, will not share files with etc. So, if someone MM really wants me in this environment s/he will *do* what is needed. The problem is that you usuallly don't know it until being told. In the meantime, you might have shared infected files. -- Cheers, Thomas. 10 Anzeichen, woran Sie bemerken, dass Ihre Lebensmittel nicht mehr geniessbar sind: 7. Der Schnittlauch auf dem Butterbrot blueht. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Hello Alexander, On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 16:17:37 +0200 GMT (04/04/2005, 21:17 +0700 GMT), Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Does this sounds arrogant (or elitaire) or is it just me? ASK Nope, its not only you. OK, thanks for the heads-up. -- Cheers, Thomas. Fettflecken werden wie neu, wenn man sie regelmaessig mit Butter beschmiert. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Hello Anthony G. Atkielski everyone else, on 04-Apr-2005 at 16:48 you (Anthony G. Atkielski) wrote: Files from a trusted source are clean by definition So, every Netsky virus that sends itself around with a fake sender address would come from a trusted source by that definition. Thats secure computing, yep! :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) We are Dyslexia of Borg. Futility is resistant. Your ass will be laminated! Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Hello Anthony G. Atkielski everyone else, on 04-Apr-2005 at 16:43 you (Anthony G. Atkielski) wrote: Don't use the advance picture service Impractical. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) A learned blockhead is a greater blockhead than an ignorant one. -- Benjamin Franklin Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Hi Anthony, On 04/04/2005 04:44 PM +0200, you wrote: It only gets dangerous when you stop thinking. From reading your other messages it would seem that your use of your system and why *you* require or need allows you the luxury of being able to simply avoid risky practices. More power to you that you're able to actually do this. Unfortunately, this isn't practical advice for many, if not most users. I know it's not practical for me. You don't need active X when browsing. Fine. Does this mean others do not? I know I don't stop thinking and I always feel at risk, even though I try to limit my risk profile and do run programs to assist me. I've been hit by a virus *once* and that was in 1998. I was ignorant then and learnt a lesson. I haven't been hit since. It does disturb me that on about 4 occasions I've been sitting in my office and the virus alert appeared. I was doing nothing really. A software firewall is now in place. No one can connect to my system over the network. They don't need to anyway. Same problems happened with browsing. It's just not as simple as you put it anymore. At least not for many, if not most. As I said before, more power to you and your ability to simply avoid. That sort of approach is getting more and more difficult and I'm pretty confident that in the not so different future, you'll be changing your mind. These fellas are getting distressingly good at what they do. -- Allie Martin System specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Thomas Fernandez writes: You are not in business or academy. In those fields, attached files with macros are common. I'm in both, and macro-laden files comprise only a tiny minority of attached files. Right. There is no 100% protection, if you need to open those files. Often, you don't need to open those files. This is utter nonsense. I receive files from people who sent me files before. How do I know they haven't been infected in the meantime? By whether or not you consider them trusted sources. What's a trusted source anyway? One that you know will not provide infected files. I get business proposals from people who attach company profiles. I don't know these people. Should I reject all proposals from people who I don't know yet? If they contain executable code, yes. It works for me. -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Alexander S. Kunz writes: So, every Netsky virus that sends itself around with a fake sender address would come from a trusted source by that definition. Trusted sources are verifiable sources. Digital signatures come in handy here. -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Alexander S. Kunz writes: Impractical. Not for me. I've used eBay without the need for ActiveX. -- Anthony __ Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Hello Anthony G. Atkielski everyone else, on 04-Apr-2005 at 17:40 you (Anthony G. Atkielski) wrote: Impractical. Not for me. I've used eBay without the need for ActiveX. That conversation ends here, because it start to get redundant. See mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Everything science has taught me, and continues to teach me, strengthens my belief in the continuity of our spiritual existence after death. -- Wernher von Braun Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti Virus S/W
Hello Anthony, On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 17:39:51 +0200 GMT (04/04/2005, 22:39 +0700 GMT), Anthony G. Atkielski wrote: You are not in business or academy. In those fields, attached files with macros are common. AGA I'm in both, and macro-laden files comprise only a tiny minority of AGA attached files. Different sitautions between you and me. Right. There is no 100% protection, if you need to open those files. AGA Often, you don't need to open those files. Yet often enough, I do. This is utter nonsense. I receive files from people who sent me files before. How do I know they haven't been infected in the meantime? AGA By whether or not you consider them trusted sources. What's a trusted source anyway? AGA One that you know will not provide infected files. My point is that some oneone who sent me uninfected files one day, may send me an infected file the next. I have no control over what they do with their computer. I get business proposals from people who attach company profiles. I don't know these people. Should I reject all proposals from people who I don't know yet? AGA If they contain executable code, yes. It works for me. Not for me. Well, if they send me .exe files, I do ask them to send me sensible files. But an Excel atttachment is quite common. -- Cheers, Thomas. A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS But it uses up a thousand times the memory. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
