Re: Threading by references and received time and Outlook
Friday, September 12, 2008, 11:19:39 AM, Privateofcourse ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: This version doesn't seem to. The kludges/headers: X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AckT/hHhbq2zQW3MQrCb7evKSGep5Q==. Maybe you can set up a Rule/Filter to add the correct header field derived from the MS-specific header line. For one account I've added the macro %AddHeader(X-TB-Folder,%FolderName) to the default Reply template. There is a Rule/Filter option Set User Param which looks like it could do the setting, and there's the option Set Memo which can contain Macros. There is also the Run External Program option which may be will allow the running a process to add the header string. Unfortunately that can't be remedied from your side. Annoying though. Maybe TB! will be able to recognise Outlook threading headers one day. Even if Outlook/Exchange doesn't create the right threading info, are you aware that you can Drag'n'Drop one message (tree) onto another message and therefore can recreate the broken branch of the message tree? Also using the Shift or Ctrl key while dragging you can break apart a wrongly built tree. Using The Bat! v4.0.28.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Richard Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading by references and received time and Outlook
Hi Simon, Friday, September 12, 2008, 3:51:15 PM, Privateofcourse ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: For discussion lists this is the best setting that I've found (+ save the view mode as 'expanded' so you're not forever clicking little +es) ... Are you aware that once a root message is highlighted you can type ctrl+ or ctrl- (using the number pad + is easier) and the whole of the thread from that point downward will expand/compress in one go. I only found this having used it in another application and wondered whether it would work in The Bat!. There's always a downside, but I haven't come across it yet...although I'm sure someone will enlighten me if there is. See other message about Drag'n'Drop messages to build/break tree structures of messages -- Richard Using The Bat! v4.0.28.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading by references and received time and Outlook
Hallo Simon, On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:38:08 +0100GMT (12-9-2008, 9:38 +0200, where I live), you wrote: P I have noticed that when replying to messages sent to me by people using P Microsoft Office Outlook my replies aren't threaded. That is, the reply P isn't 'attached' to the original replied to message and appears as a P separate email in the message list. That's because the replies sent to you don't contain a References or an In-Reply-To header, those headers store the threading information. All versions of MS Outlook that I've run into use them. When things are sent via Exchange that differs, Exchange does things its own way and can't be bothered by RFCs. Unfortunately that can't be remedied from your side. -- Groetjes, Roelof I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.0.34.1 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgplXSb2cywHI.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading by references and received time and Outlook
Hello Roelof, On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:14:42 +0200 your time, you said: P [...snip...] when replying to messages sent to me by people using P Microsoft Office Outlook my replies aren't threaded. [...snip...] That's because the replies sent to you don't contain a References or an In-Reply-To header, [...snip...] Yes, you're correct. I just checked and the emails and they don't contain those normal headers. However, they do contain Thread-Index:, which seems to be a Microsoft specific header that I've not noticed before. All versions of MS Outlook that I've run into use them. This version doesn't seem to. The kludges/headers: X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AckT/hHhbq2zQW3MQrCb7evKSGep5Q==. Unfortunately that can't be remedied from your side. Annoying though. Maybe TB! will be able to recognise Outlook threading headers one day. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #2283. Squaw Led I Mrs Roy ¶ TB! 4.0.34 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading by references and received time and Outlook
Hallo Simon, On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:19:39 +0100GMT (12-9-2008, 12:19 +0200, where I live), you wrote: P Yes, you're correct. I just checked and the emails and they don't contain P those normal headers. However, they do contain Thread-Index:, which seems P to be a Microsoft specific header that I've not noticed before. All versions of MS Outlook that I've run into use them. P This version doesn't seem to. The kludges/headers: P X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 P X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 P Thread-Index: AckT/hHhbq2zQW3MQrCb7evKSGep5Q==. Might be a configuration issue, when my brother used Outlook 11, his messages contained In-Reply-To, References and Thread-Index. These days he's using MSO 12 and he's still using the same headers. -- Groetjes, Roelof Windows 95: Making Windows work just like a Mac did 10 years ago! http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.0.34.1 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgpB4bP6SMwRW.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading by references and received time and Outlook
Hello Roelof, On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:18:47 +0200 your time, you said: Might be a configuration issue, when my brother used Outlook 11, his messages contained In-Reply-To, References and Thread-Index. These days he's using MSO 12 and he's still using the same headers. Some confusion here I think. I don't think I made myself clear enough, sorry: I did a search, and discovered that Microsoft have, in their infinite wisdom, removed the Message-ID header from Outlook (a while back it seems) supposedly due of 'security issues'. Of course that messes everything up. So, this is my take on how this breaks threading: 1. (i) A new email with a new 'subject' is sent from an Outlook client. (ii) Outlook does not add a message-ID: header to the email. 2. (i) In The Bat! I receive the email and reply to the Outlook message (ii) The Bat! does not include an In-Reply-To: header because their is no message-ID in the email being replied to, so no References either. 3. (i) The Outlook user then replies to MY reply (ii) Outlook DOES then add an In-Reply-To: header to their email reply 4. (i) I receive their reply. (ii) The Bat! then threads the last two emails because it can find an In-Reply-To: reference. 5. (i) I then reply again (ii) But this reply isn't threaded in TB! either because their is still no originator's message-ID in the Outlook reply, so The Bat! does not reference any of the the previous emails And so forth, and so forth... So, without Outlook providing and initial message-ID TB! won't thread the messages. I can of course thread by References and subject and received time and hope that the right messages are threaded together, but still... -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #1792. Arm Dress Wily Quo ¶ TB! 4.0.34 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading by references and received time and Outlook
Hallo Simon, On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:51:43 +0100GMT (12-9-2008, 13:51 +0200, where I live), you wrote: P So, this is my take on how this breaks threading: P 1. (i) A new email with a new 'subject' is sent from an Outlook client. P(ii) Outlook does not add a message-ID: header to the email. That's still something that can be configured in Outlook P 2. (i) In The Bat! I receive the email and reply to the Outlook message P(ii) The Bat! does not include an In-Reply-To: header because their is no P message-ID in the email being replied to, so no References either. Ouch! Not only does Outlook 'forget' to insert the msg-id, but the intermediate servers also forget about that, according to the relevant RFCs that should be done. Anyway there's nothing you can do about that. Only thing I can suggest that you switch to thread on references and subject. P So, without Outlook providing and initial message-ID TB! won't thread the P messages. I can of course thread by References and subject and received time P and hope that the right messages are threaded together, but still... But you thought of that yourself. When the automatic threading goes awry, you can always override the threading manually -- Groetjes, Roelof The Innocent, the Eager, and the Doomed. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.0.34.1 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgpswcSIyr4Xt.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading by references and received time and Outlook
Hi On Friday 12 September 2008 at 12:51:43 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Privateofcourse wrote: I can of course thread by References and subject and received time How? The Bat! only gives me the following 6 choices for threading:- None References (standard) Subject From To References + Subject -- Best regards, MFPA Keep them dry and don't feed them after midnight Using The Bat! v4.0.28.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading by references and received time and Outlook
Hello MFPA, On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:05:03 +0100 your time, you said: I can of course thread by References and subject and received time How? The Bat! only gives me the following 6 choices for threading:- Okay, more accurately, to get around it I meant this: View Menu - | Sort by: - Received time | View Threads by: - References + Subject - Group by Date So I haven't got anything extra in my TB!version ;-) And I don't sort by Descending order JFYR, so the newest message thread always appears at the top of the 'daily message tree'. For discussion lists this is the best setting that I've found (+ save the view mode as 'expanded' so you're not forever clicking little +es) ...well it is best for me at least. As an aside, I think the number of view combinations must be unique to TB! because I haven't found anything as comprehensive in any other client...not that I'm looking. With the view set as described above replying to a message in a thread seven days old for example, will mean that the whole thread is made current and moved up to 'Today' messages. This saves a lot of faffing about. There's always a downside, but I haven't come across it yet...although I'm sure someone will enlighten me if there is. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #609. Masque Slid Worry ¶ TB! 4.0.34 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading by references and received time and Outlook
Hi On Friday 12 September 2008 at 3:51:15 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Privateofcourse wrote: Okay, more accurately, to get around it I meant this: View Menu - | Sort by: - Received time | View Threads by: - References + Subject - Group by Date So I haven't got anything extra in my TB!version ;-) Thanks for clearing that up. I prefer to sort by creation time but it escapes me why I found that worked better for me than received time. I sort by References, not subject as I get unrelated messages with the same subject (such as hello or look at this). I'm not sure about the group by date function as it seems to alter the order slightly as well as putting in the date-related groupings. Anyway, I sometimes use it to help me look for something but not as a regular view. And I don't sort by Descending order JFYR, so the newest message thread always appears at the top of the 'daily message tree'. Same here. For discussion lists this is the best setting that I've found (+ save the view mode as 'expanded' so you're not forever clicking little +es) ...well it is best for me at least. As an aside, I think the number of view combinations must be unique to TB! because I haven't found anything as comprehensive in any other client...not that I'm looking. With the view set as described above replying to a message in a thread seven days old for example, will mean that the whole thread is made current and moved up to 'Today' messages. This saves a lot of faffing about. I don't get that as I don't group by date. I may give it a try. There's always a downside, but I haven't come across it yet...although I'm sure someone will enlighten me if there is. The only downside I experience is the order replies are displayed. For example, a thread started at noon with replies to the original post at 12:30, 13:00, etc. The 13:00 reply is displayed above the 12:30 display, so if you start reading from the top of the thread you read the later reply first (which can be confusing if they refer to the earlier reply in their own reply). -- Best regards, MFPA Editing is a rewording activity Using The Bat! v4.0.28.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading by references and received time and Outlook
Hi On Friday 12 September 2008 at 2:53:22 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Roelof Otten wrote: Ouch! Not only does Outlook 'forget' to insert the msg-id, but the intermediate servers also forget about that, according to the relevant RFCs that should be done. Anyway there's nothing you can do about that. Couldn't a third-party app (such as xray mail assistant) be used to insert a message-id? Or, maybe, a filter that exported the message and called a simple batch file that added a message-id header and imported the message back in? -- Best regards, MFPA You can't build a reputation on what you are going to do Using The Bat! v4.0.28.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading by references and received time and Outlook
Hallo MFPA, On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:10:04 +0100GMT (12-9-2008, 21:10 +0200, where I live), you wrote: Ouch! Not only does Outlook 'forget' to insert the msg-id, but the intermediate servers also forget about that, according to the relevant RFCs that should be done. Anyway there's nothing you can do about that. M Couldn't a third-party app (such as xray mail assistant) be used to M insert a message-id? Over here my own server is doing that, but as I´m running the mail server for my domain that´s nothing extra. I don´t know whether Xray could be configured to add a message-id. M Or, maybe, a filter that exported the message and called a simple M batch file that added a message-id header and imported the message M back in? Of course, that could be managed, but that would be quite a hassle -- Groetjes, Roelof Oops. - Most feared word in Nuclear Physics and Brain Surgery... http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.0.34.1 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgpESuV3hlWPR.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: re-threading loosing mail from view
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 19:59:44 -0600, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hold down shift while dragging. Thought I'd tried all key-combo's yet... once more then... thx! -- Happy flappin'! Corne' (aka Cory, The Batdmin) Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
re-threading loosing mail from view
Hi 'Batters! Today I've been trying the re-threading feature first-time, and getting into troubles right away... :-\ Some contact's replies were not threaded, so I dragged them to the most recent post - which worked quite well, to my delight. Unfortunately, at some point I dragged the tree of some 15 messages to another thread, which I was unable to undo. (*Is* there a way to unthread only certain messages?) After some moving around, including exporting, deleting the misthreaded msgs and re-importing them, I got all back... but only in view Thread by Reference! My usual view is by Subject, and those msgs that were misthreaded seem to be non-existent in threading by Subject?! On top of that, views of different accounts and folders are now effected in the width of the first Subject column: the width is *unequal*, but the change in one Subject width is copied into the same column for another account - and these columns used to be of *unequal* width... without TB asking to save the mods :-\ Anyone tips, comments, links to similar issues, or a solution? Please! Very much appreciated... BTW: I'm on XP Pro SP2, TB v3.65.03 -- Happy flappin'! Corne' (aka Cory, The Batdmin) Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: re-threading loosing mail from view
Cory @ 3/07/2006 11:35:32 AM re-threading loosing mail from view mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (*Is* there a way to unthread only certain messages?) Hold down shift while dragging. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for you and me. Using The Bat! v3.71.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance. pgpU4tV3ncTWh.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Constantly Re-Threading
Hi On Monday 7 November 2005 at 2:55:21 AM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Thomas Fernandez wrote: If you create a wishlist entry, I'll support it. Marck created https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2663 in March 2004 but the status is still new. -- Best regards, MFPA Confusion is always the most honest response Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Message ID creation (was: Constantly Re-Threading)
Hello MFPA, On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:10:30 + GMT (07/11/2005, 19:10 +0700 GMT), MFPA wrote: If you create a wishlist entry, I'll support it. M Marck created https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2663 M in March 2004 but the status is still new. I added a supporting bugnote. -- Cheers, Thomas. And now excuse me while I interrupt myself... http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.62.12 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Constantly Re-Threading
Hi On Sunday 6 November 2005 at 2:12:30 AM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Thomas Fernandez wrote: Wasn't there / shouldn't there be an option in the account properties don't create message ID, or used the following domain for mid creation: ? I've not seen it in TB! but I believe there should be one, as in 40tude Dialog. -- Best regards, MFPA The second mouse gets the cheese Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Constantly Re-Threading
Hello MFPA, On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 02:40:24 + GMT (07/11/2005, 09:40 +0700 GMT), MFPA wrote: Wasn't there / shouldn't there be an option in the account properties don't create message ID, or used the following domain for mid creation: ? M I've not seen it in TB! but I believe there should be one, as in M 40tude Dialog. If you create a wishlist entry, I'll support it. -- Cheers, Thomas. Doesn't 'expecting the unexpected' make the unexpected expected? http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.62.12 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Constantly Re-Threading
Hi On Friday 4 November 2005 at 4:57:40 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander S. Kunz wrote: the message-id contains the localhost netbios name Is that always the case, or just the way MS had set it up for previous versions of Outlook? -- Best regards, MFPA Editing is a rewording activity Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Constantly Re-Threading
Hello MFPA everyone else, on 05-Nov-2005 at 12:45 you (MFPA) wrote: the message-id contains the localhost netbios name Is that always the case, or just the way MS had set it up for previous versions of Outlook? What the message id looks like in the part after the @ depends largely on the implementation of the email program. TB uses the domain name of the mail address, Opera's M2 uses the local machine name, I don't know which way Outlook created the message id. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Der Himmel (5:34) by Pia Lund from the album 'La Folie Anglique' Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Constantly Re-Threading
Hi On Saturday 5 November 2005 at 12:02:36 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Hello MFPA everyone else, on 05-Nov-2005 at 12:45 you (MFPA) wrote: TB uses the domain name of the mail address, Opera's M2 uses the local machine name, I don't know which way Outlook created the message id. Here, Outlook Express uses the computer name, so I guess Outlook would, too. In 40tude Dialog, you either specify it yourself in account settings or else it uses 40tude.net (but there is also an option to let the server generate the message-id) -- Best regards, MFPA Don't cry because it is over - smile because it happened Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Constantly Re-Threading
Hi On Saturday 5 November 2005 at 12:02:36 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander S. Kunz wrote: TB uses the domain name of the mail address Specifically, the Reply-to address set in Account properties, so you can what you wish and then use the %replyto= macro in your templates;-) -- Best regards, MFPA Ballerinas are always on their toes. We need taller ballerinas! Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Constantly Re-Threading
Hello MFPA, On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 16:54:20 + GMT (05/11/2005, 23:54 +0700 GMT), MFPA wrote: TB uses the domain name of the mail address M Specifically, the Reply-to address set in Account properties, so M you can what you wish and then use the %replyto= macro in your M templates;-) That's a work-around. Wasn't there / shouldn't there be an option in the account properties don't create message ID, or used the following domain for mid creation: ? -- Cheers, Thomas. When you smell an odorless gas, it is probably carbon monoxide. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.62.12 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Constantly Re-Threading
Hello The Bat! UserList, Oh, I started a thread recently called Re-Threading where I learnt that if I set Thread ny References in View Mode/Thread by I could drag and drop and Re-Thread faulty threads. And get the Good look on mailing-lists. However, I'm on lots of mailing list trying to follow, read and answer on threads. But most of those lists are occupied by Outlook people that do not follow references and starts a new thread by replying on a old message or answers by creating a new message and using the old subject. I soon found out that following the conversations I had to do lots of detective work to find out what message was connected to what thread. And rebuild most of the threads so that they are connected the way they should to be readable. Before I used Sort by Subject, but then I get the new look and I have to expand each thread to see dates and other info. Well, I cannot be the only one? How do you manage to read mailinglists other than the The Bat ones? -- /Fredrik The Bat! 3.62.05 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Constantly Re-Threading
Hallo Fredrik, On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:15:38 +0100GMT (4-11-2005, 9:15 +0200, where I live), you wrote: FB Well, I cannot be the only one? How do you manage to read FB mailinglists other than the The Bat ones? I display threads on reference+subject. The lists I'm on hardly create a 'new thread' by replying to an old message, so that doesn't bother me and I don't re-thread at all. -- Groetjes, Roelof I'm never difficult...Impossible maybe, difficult, never. The Bat! 3.62.11 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpdKo0zGcSuP.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Constantly Re-Threading
Recently, Roelof Otten squawked: I display threads on reference+subject. OK ... I would like to try this one too but couldn't find a selection to actually *use* ref+sub as a filter Some of the Lists I am on, the people change the bloody subject lines but are actually replying to the correct thread ... it's a nightmare for sure. And AOL, for goshsakes, their reply format never makes the character, so what I ALWAYS see if the original text as if written by the new reply-person. Anyway, this is subject for new thread I suppose sigh -- Bye Now, Robert D. _ The Bat! Version: 3.62.11 Windows ME FireFox Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Constantly Re-Threading
Robert D. @ 11/04/2005 8:56:12 AM Constantly Re-Threading mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OK ... I would like to try this one too but couldn't find a selection to actually *use* ref+sub as a filter View/View Threads By/Ref. + Subj. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for you and me. Using The Bat! v3.60.07 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. As a reminder, there are three types of people: those who can count and those who can't. pgpfTbwlNS9bN.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Constantly Re-Threading
Hi Fredrik, Well, I cannot be the only one? How do you manage to read mailinglists other than the The Bat ones? gmail and/or mutt. And I'm not kidding. They work. Regards, Roman -- Chicago got started by a bunch of New Yorkers who said, Gee, I'm enjoying the crime and poverty, but it just isn't cold enough. -- Richard Jeni Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Constantly Re-Threading
Hello Robert D. everyone else, on 04-Nov-2005 at 15:56 you (Robert D.) wrote: Some of the Lists I am on, the people change the bloody subject lines but are actually replying to the correct thread ... it's a nightmare for sure. And AOL, for goshsakes, their reply format never makes the character, so what I ALWAYS see if the original text as if written by the new reply-person. Anyway, this is subject for new thread I suppose sigh Welcome to the sad sad reality of email standards... as long as the rule-set called RFC doesn't even explicitely make a message-id mandatory (the wording there is only should, not must), you can forget about threading by Reference on lists where multiple clients are used. Outlook2003 doesn't even CREATE a message-id, because, according to MS, users requested to leave it away because it is a privacy-issue: the message-id contains the localhost netbios name - the only thing they forgot are the received header lines that contain the same name as well. As long as there aren't really rigid rules for the contents of an email message, and as long as servers aren't rejecting messages that don't follow these rules, things won't change. OTOH there are clients that have a really really fine threading mechanism, using references, subject and date, like MUTT, and they beat TB easily. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Rudin's Law: In crises that force people to choose among alternative courses of action, most people will choose the worst one possible. Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Constantly Re-Threading
Recently, Chris squawked: View/View Threads By/Ref. + Subj. ohmygosh!! (said as fast as you can) I am so ST-pid. Yup, I see that now. I likely saw it before but scanned my brain over it old age/ Bad Wine? / -- Bye Now, Robert D. _ The Bat! Version: 3.62.11 Windows ME FireFox Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading title
lee walters @ 2005-Jul-1 3:37:39 PM threading title mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I always loved the threading in previous versions of The Bat, but now in the latest version it has the name of the sender as a title, and you have to click the little cross to display just *one* message. I would love to get back to the old, prettier and easier way of threading without going back to a previous version. Is this possible and if so how? Thanks. Try View/View threads by/References. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v3.5.30 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. All people have moments of insanity; some people more often than others. pgpk88ovQvHQX.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading title
lee walters @ 2005-Jul-1 6:00:12 PM threading title mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Try View/View threads by/References. Yes, tried that but wasn't quite sure about it. What does it mean by references? In the message headers, there is information that links messages to on another. For example, since this message is a reply to your message, its In-Reply-To header is [EMAIL PROTECTED] That means that when you are threading by references, this message will appear as a reply to your message. Things are a bit more complicated, but that it the general idea. And I still couldn't get it how I had it in previous versions, i.e. the most recent e-mail and when you open up the little cross, the thread reveals past e-mail from that person. How can I configure it to do it like that? I'm still not entirely sure what you want, but try this: Thread by sender. Sort by Creation Time, descending. To sort by Creation Time, click on the Created column. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v3.5.30 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Today's Oxymoron: Good grief pgp719wlaV5fx.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Dear Steve, @19-May-2005, 13:17 Steve Lee [SL] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to MAU: 1.- Open Customise and for 'Select container:' select 'Main Form'. Then click on down pointing arrow to the far right to expand Main Form and select 'Message List Pop-up Menu'. This will show on the right window 'Current items' the context menu that you get when you right click on the message list pane. SL I just got some time to do this then came to a grinding halt when I SL could not find where to Open Customise. Your assistance here would SL be greatly appreciated. It was Miguel, but I can tell you anyway. Right click any old toolbar and choose Customise there. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpk1QVNx94eN.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Steve, Hi Marck, I just got some time to do this then came to a grinding halt when I could not find where to Open Customise. Your assistance here would be greatly appreciated. Although you say Marck, you replied to me. Anyway, I see Marck has already given you an answer. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Dear Steve, @19-May-2005, 22:35 Steve Lee [SL] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to MAU: Although you say Marck, you replied to me. Anyway, I see Marck has already given you an answer. SL Yes and it works well thank you - now if only we could find a way to SL do both next message and mark as read in one go. That one's in the oven ;-). Stefan says he's added the function and really likes it. It will be in with the next beta series. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.5 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgps2vI8JXcCy.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Steve, Yes and it works well thank you - now if only we could find a way to do both next message and mark as read in one go. I don't know why but I have the feeling that it will be possible soon. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Manual re-threading in 3.5
Hello all, I have just added a note to https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1226 and would appreciate any support to it. TIA. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Stefan, On Sun, 15 May 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ST I've added two more options to space bar ST reading today: to move to the next unread message (requested before) ST and to mark message as read when taking off the current message. Hooray! thanks a lot for that. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.5 SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Kerio 4.20.B5 and no Plug-ins http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Stefan, Anyway, it will become available in the quick fix release this Monday night. Indeed quick ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Steve, On Sat, 14 May 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SL Unlike in The Bat! and Outlook, the messages in VA never changed SL status from unread to read in x seconds while reading. Instead, hitting the return SL key to move to the next message marked it as unread. Oh yes please. I've asked for this feature before because I was used to it when I used AMEOL and it really is, IMHO, a much wanted addition. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.5 SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Kerio 4.20.B5 and no Plug-ins http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Steve, The way we did it in VA (sorry to keep bringing that up) was to always have the threads opened by default but use the Return key to move to the next unread message. You can Customise that. I was used to using Return in VA and I have always used it in TB and still do :) Unlike in The Bat! and Outlook, the messages in VA never changed status from unread to read in x seconds while reading. Select your Account/Properties/Options and untick 'Mark message as read when it is being read for...' See what I mean? It can be done Steve. It just isn't the default in TB. I also use a Space to mark a message as read (which was default in VA). So I just go Space and Return to jump to next unread. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello MAU, On Sat, 14 May 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] M I also use a Space to mark a message as read (which was default in VA). M So I just go Space and Return to jump to next unread. How do you manage that? I can't get Space on its own to work? :-( I also never use preview panes which might make things a bit more difficult. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.5 SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Kerio 4.20.B5 and no Plug-ins http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Richard, M I also use a Space to mark a message as read (which was default in VA). M So I just go Space and Return to jump to next unread. How do you manage that? I can't get Space on its own to work? :-( I changed the shortcut for 'Mark as read' to Space and 'Move to next unread' to Return. I also never use preview panes which might make things a bit more difficult. Yes, it will make a difference. I _only_ use preview panes and I changed the shortcuts in the corresponding popup menus. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello MAU, On Sat, 14 May 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] M I changed the shortcut for 'Mark as read' to Space and 'Move to next M unread' to Return. I should have been more specific, sorry. I can't get Space or Return to be recognised on their own, only items that require two key strokes, CTRL+RIGHT for example :-( -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.5 SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Kerio 4.20.B5 and no Plug-ins http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Richard, M I changed the shortcut for 'Mark as read' to Space and 'Move to next M unread' to Return. I should have been more specific, sorry. I can't get Space or Return to be recognised on their own, only items that require two key strokes, CTRL+RIGHT for example :-( I explained the trick in TBBeta, remember? ,- [ On April 19th I wrote in TBBeta: ] | It looks like it won't accept some single character shortcuts like | Space and Enter, which are my favourite ones BTW to mark a message | as Read and Move to next unread. What I did was to assign something | like Alt+8 and Alt+9 and then exit TB. I opened tbuser.def with a text | editor and changed the string 'Alt+8' to 'Space' and 'Alt+9' to 'Enter' | and after restarting TB both are working just fine. `- -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Steve, You can Customise that. I was used to using Return in VA and I have always used it in TB and still do I bet you can not remember how to set the return key to move to next unread message! If you can please do share it as that would be fantastic. I tried to work it out but can not. I guess my neurones need a couple of beers to get up and running ;-) I also use a Space to mark a message as read (which was default in VA). So I just go Space and Return to jump to next unread. And that one please? What about the beers? ;-) Let's see. 1.- Open Customise and for 'Select container:' select 'Main Form'. Then click on down pointing arrow to the far right to expand Main Form and select 'Message List Pop-up Menu'. This will show on the right window 'Current items' the context menu that you get when you right click on the message list pane. 2.- On this window find and select with you mouse 'Move to Next Unread'. 3.- On the Shortcuts window you will see the shortcuts already available for this. 4.- Place your mouse in the little window where it says 'none' and hit Alt+8 (I will explain later why Alt+8), and this will replace 'none'. Then click the Assign button below. 5. Repeat steps 2 to 4 for 'Mark as Read' using Alt+9 this time. 6.- Finally, click OK. Now, exit TB and find a file called 'tbuser.def' in your MAIL directory and open it with a text editor. As I have explained in another message a while ago: ,- [ On April 19th I wrote in TBBeta: ] | It looks like it won't accept some single character shortcuts like | Space and Enter, which are my favourite ones BTW to mark a message | as Read and Move to next unread. What I did was to assign something | like Alt+8 and Alt+9 and then exit TB. I opened tbuser.def with a text | editor and changed the string 'Alt+8' to 'Space' and 'Alt+9' to 'Enter' | and after restarting TB both are working just fine. `- Hope this helps :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello MAU, On Sat, 14 May 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] M I explained the trick in TBBeta, remember? Yes and I even parked the message. I have all my TB parked messages in a virtual folder and do normally look through them but not on this occasion. Thanks again. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.5 SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Kerio 4.20.B5 and no Plug-ins http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello MAU, On Sat, 14 May 2005 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] M I changed the shortcut for 'Mark as read' to Space and 'Move to next M unread' to Return. However it would be even better to be able to assign one key stroke to mark as read AND move to next unread message. I've tried but can't get it to work, presumably because of key stroke conflict. -- Regards, Richard | The Bat! 3.5 SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | F-Prot AV, Kerio 4.20.B5 and no Plug-ins http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lazyhomes/holiday.html Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Richard, However it would be even better to be able to assign one key stroke to mark as read AND move to next unread message. I've tried but can't get it to work, presumably because of key stroke conflict. I prefer to have the two keystrokes because many times I jump from unread to unread for a quick view. Anyway, at least for the moment I think it is not possible to assign two actions to a single keystroke. Now you can assign keystrokes (shortcuts) to actions and you would need to be able to assign actions to shortcuts. Maybe in the future. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Current version is 3.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Dear Steve, @13-May-2005, 10:10 Steve Lee [SL] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: SL I would like to congratulate the authors of The Bat! for providing SL such a nice useable program. Hello Steve, my old friend! ;-) We still have an outstanding drink date. ... snip SL At present all the outgoing emails go to the Sent Mail folder. SL Does anyone know a way to have those emails remain in the Inbox Add a simple outbound mail filter to move sent mail straight to the Inbox. But here, I have to step into soapbox mode. It's not wise to use the inbox as a main storage folder - it is high traffic. I keep mine empty. Once you have a good filtering system in place, inbound and outbound messages can be routed to specific folders for specific topics. For now, perhaps messages to/from known contacts should go to a general Conversations folder, just to keep them away from more general and random Incoming and Sent messages. SL but also to retain threading so that one can look at a received SL message and easily work one's way back up the thread including any SL replies sent. In other words the whole discussion all in one SL grouping. Threading is always retained and fully maintained. You just have to turn it on for the view mode you are using for a particular folder. SL I am actually also surprised that the default setting for threads SL is none rather than by subject or references. For those users coming up to TB rather than sideways would be more confused by threading on by default than not. I think it's the right way to go since turning it on is a simple enough procedure. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.5 Return RC9 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpbORr25e7vP.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Steve, On 13-05-2005 11:10, you [SL] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: SL One of the nice things about VA was the message threading and there SL is one feature I do not see in The Bat! by default but I wonder if SL it is possible to simulate with a bit of tweaking. What I think most does is to make filters in the Sorting office. Normally it is a bad idea to keep too many messages in the In- and Outboxes. One possible setup: An outgoing filter that moves all Sent mail to Folder1 Make a filter that moves all incoming mail to Folder1 Or, a filter that moves all replied mail from the Inbox to Folder1 Or, a filter that moves all read mail from the Inbox to Folder1 And, for Folder1, make a View mode that sorts on references (or subject, or references and subject). Another possible setup: Make a Virtual folder based on your Inbox and Sent mail and set up a View mode for this folder, which sorts on references (or subject, or references and subject). This hopefully helps you. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5 Return RC9 Pro /thebat version env. ~18 POP3, 1 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 150K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Steve, It's nice to see you here! How are you doing? I wonder if you remember me. I was and still am a fond user and great defender of VA and still mention it many times in this and the TBBeta list. I still have my copy of VA 5.01 and Plus pack, although I have not used it in years. I would like to congratulate the authors of The Bat! for providing such a nice useable program. It certainly is. And just wait and see the new release that should be coming out quite soon. It is already in RC state. A few of you may be aware that I owned a company called Atlantic Coast PLC and for many years we published an email/news client called Virtual Access. We made VA Open Source a few years ago but unfortunately development has been so slow that now the time has come to move on as VA still has very poor html handling and nowadays html is used a lot. It was a real pity that development had to be abandoned, it was then when I switched to The Bat!. One of the nice things about VA was the message threading and there is one feature I do not see in The Bat! by default but I wonder if it is possible to simulate with a bit of tweaking. Yes, threading was of many great features in VA and, as I say above, I have brought up the issue many times in TB lists. Yes, there are different was to do/simulate what VA did. I will explain below. At present all the outgoing emails go to the Sent Mail folder. Does anyone know a way to have those emails remain in the Inbox but also to retain threading so that one can look at a received message and easily work one's way back up the thread including any replies sent. In other words the whole discussion all in one grouping. As I have said, there are different ways to do what you want and, once you get acquainted with the many options TB has, you will find better ways of improving your threading. The easiest way to get started that I would suggest is to create a VF (Virtual Folder), on the Filter tab select Advanced filter settings and 'Any Message'. If you are using only your Inbox and Outbox at the moment, select them (Select Folder button on the lower left). This way, you will see in your VF both incoming and outgoing messages. To see them threaded, select View/View threads by/Reference. Although it will be better that you create a View Mode (Options/Preferences/Messages - View Modes) with your preferred column settings, atc, and then assign it to you VF by right clicking on it and selecting Folder View Mode. Hope I have given you a starter. But please don't hesitate to ask, there is many helpful people in this list. BTW, do you know anything about Peter Clapman and what he is doing? He was (and I'm sure he still is) a great programmer. And Taz and the others? Amrik? Again, nice to see you here :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC9 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Friday, May 13, 2005, 9:18:44 PM, Marck wrote: MDP Add a simple outbound mail filter to move sent mail straight to the MDP Inbox. But here, I have to step into soapbox mode. It's not wise to MDP use the inbox as a main storage folder - it is high traffic. I keep MDP mine empty. Once you have a good filtering system in place, inbound MDP and outbound messages can be routed to specific folders for specific MDP topics. I've heard this advice before and I am a little confused. Surely, unless one has a large number of folders to filter out to, then any of those target folders is also going to be relatively high traffic? Further, the avoidance of a high traffic folder is predicated on what? Is TB! not to be trusted with high volumes in one place? If so, why not? And while we're here - define high traffic. If I receive 200 emails a day and filter them to 10 folders, then I am trafficking 20 emails per day per folder. Another user might only receive 20 emails a day total and yet this advice would suggest they should filter out to other folders. This doesn't stack up. Perhaps I am missing something, but I don't see this as valid *generic* advice unless the inbox is to be treated as a deadly scourge. Anyone care to enlighten me? -- Cheers, Allister :flag-newzealand: New Zealand / Aotearoa Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Dear Allister, @13-May-2005, 22:21 +1200 (13-May 11:21 UK time) Allister Jenks [AJ] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: ... snip MDP ... It's not wise to use the inbox as a main storage folder - it MDP is high traffic. ... snip AJ I've heard this advice before and I am a little confused. Surely, AJ unless one has a large number of folders to filter out to, then AJ any of those target folders is also going to be relatively high AJ traffic? No folder is as high traffic as the inbox. None. every incoming message pauses in the Inbox before moving to a filtered destination. The only messages not placed there are spam processed by bayes filters. AJ Further, the avoidance of a high traffic folder is predicated on AJ what? Is TB! not to be trusted with high volumes in one place? If AJ so, why not? Keeping important messages in the Inbox is suicide. That's a substantiated fact. Messages are being added to and deleted from the folder continually. You think NT or 9x are stable enough to guarantee no glitches when data is being moved that frequently? I don't! AJ And while we're here - define high traffic. Adding and deleting every time messages are received, wherever they end up. That do for you? ... snip AJ Perhaps I am missing something, but I don't see this as valid AJ *generic* advice unless the inbox is to be treated as a deadly AJ scourge. AJ Anyone care to enlighten me? I think I have. This is fundamental advice. I've seen too many Waaah!! TB ate my inbox and all my data is gone! type posts to make this advice anything other than firm and serious. And it's not because TB is bad or wrong here. It's that the OS is still not stable enough to guarantee no faults. It's that new AV solutions become ever more Draconian in their treatment of files they deem infected. It's that lightening strikes can still cause a power fluctuation just as a write operation is going on. Let's not invite catastrophe. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.5 Return RC8 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpWS8ICx39tc.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Steve, On 13-05-2005 13:53, you [SL] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Normally it is a bad idea to keep too many messages in the In- and Outboxes. SL Why do you say that Peter? As Marck explained if mailboxes corrupt the probability is much greater for the Inbox, Outbox and Sent. Particularly the Inbox as it receives more usage. Maybe it's just because I'm a structuralist. :-) -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5 Return RC9 Pro /thebat version env. ~18 POP3, 1 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 150K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Steve Lee @ 2005-May-13 7:52:29 AM Threading mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Which reminds me The Bat! folks - when we have highlighted some text in a READ message why not provide a button on the SEND message that pastes any highlighted text in as a quote? (Another VA feature I am missing). F4 works, but I still think that the reply button should do the same. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Bug? That's not a bug, that's a feature. pgpRxrdKfCmkK.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Chris! On Friday, May 13, 2005, 7:36 AM, you wrote: Which reminds me The Bat! folks - when we have highlighted some text in a READ message why not provide a button on the SEND message that pastes any highlighted text in as a quote? (Another VA feature I am missing). F4 works, but I still think that the reply button should do the same. Shift-plus-Reply arrow does this. I use it all the time. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.5 Return RC9 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Dear Steve, @13-May-2005, 14:50 Steve Lee [SL] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Chris: F4 works, but I still think that the reply button should do the same. SL I find neither f4 (gives me a spell checker) or shift-replybutton does SL it. Ah - too late! You're already editing the reply. You should do as suggested (F4 or shift-reply) while looking at the original message. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.5 Return RC8 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpDHuI9Umm9p.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Steve, Thank you very much for pointing me in the right direction for the Virtual Folders. They really help but somehow I feel that they should be the default when it comes to in and out messages. I'm sure that, in lack of an updated VA, you are going to love TB and its power and many features. It is really a great program. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC9 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Group On Friday, May 13, 2005, 10:10:28 AM, Steve wrote: A few of you may be aware that I owned a company called Atlantic Coast PLC and for many years we published an email/news client called Virtual Access. We made VA Open Source a few years ago but unfortunately development has been so slow that now the time has come to move on as VA still has very poor html handling and nowadays html is used a lot. I still have VA on the original floppies, and the manual, I seem to remember 'Taz' from the Compuserve forum. It's a pity that development stopped, I don't see lack of HTML handling as an issue though, it gets deleted automatically here. -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK :Jeff_Gaines: Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Jeff, I seem to remember 'Taz' from the Compuserve forum. The good old times of Compuserve :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC9 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Chris everyone else, on 13-Mai-2005 at 14:36 you (Chris) wrote: F4 works, but I still think that the reply button should do the same. I just searched the wishlist and found there is an ages old wish for that feature. Add your supporting notes to it please: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=2486 -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) A cookie store is a bad idea. Besides, the market research reports say America likes crispy cookies, not soft and chewy cookies like you make. -- Response to Debbi Fields' idea of starting Mrs. Fields' Cookies. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Steve, Ah - too late! You're already editing the reply. You should do as suggested (F4 or shift-reply) while looking at the original message. Not on my Pro version it doesn't. I am sitting on the message, highlighted the text to be quoted, pressed f4 (or shift reply) and all it does is open a new message window prepopulated with an email address and subject. Have you defined/revised templates? What's your Reply template? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC9 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Steve! On Friday, May 13, 2005, 10:51 AM, you wrote: Not on my Pro version it doesn't. I am sitting on the message, highlighted the text to be quoted, pressed f4 (or shift reply) and all it does is open a new message window prepopulated with an email address and subject. Are you using Folder View, reading a received message? On Shift-plus-reply, in that window, here the entire text body of the received message is quoted. BUT, this is important: Shift-plus-Reply arrow (the icon) will quote only the selected (highlighted) text. If you are experiencing a different behavior, I suspect you of having a faulty copy of The Bat! I'm a rank amateur, and I used to be even more of a novice. But, my first evaluation copy--of TB! v. 1.61--lacked Preview Pane capability. (I didn't even know at that time what a Preview Pane was.) Anyway, in trying to help me, the folks on TBUDL gave instructions I couldn't follow, and it turned out I had a deficient downloaded copy. An uninstall, re-download, and re-install cured my woes. Just a thought. This may not be your problem at all. Anyway, welcome aboard, and I'm glad to vicariously meet an old friend of Marck and Miguel and others that I've grown to value here. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.5 Return RC9 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Dear Steve, @13-May-2005, 16:51 Steve Lee [SL] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: Ah - too late! You're already editing the reply. You should do as suggested (F4 or shift-reply) while looking at the original message. SL Not on my Pro version it doesn't. SL I am sitting on the message, highlighted the text to be quoted, SL pressed f4 (or shift reply) and all it does is open a new message SL window prepopulated with an email address and subject. Ah. Okay. Slight caveat - and I keep meaning to get this in as a BugTraq issue - If you only have one line marked, it quotes nothing. I find that it only works once I grab a terminating newline to finish it off. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.5 Return RC8 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpOjUdyvukPa.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
On Friday, May 13, 2005, 11:32:56 AM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: If you only have one line marked, it quotes nothing. works fine here with just the above quoted, which was in the middle of one line. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 3.5 Return RC9 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Marck, BugTraq issue - If you only have one line marked, it quotes nothing. Oh yes it does :-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC9 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Marck D Pearlstone everyone else, on 13-Mai-2005 at 18:32 you (Marck D Pearlstone) wrote: find that it only works once I grab a terminating newline H, not here (see above). ;-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Our increase in knowledge is comparable to that which a man, interested in learning more about the moon, gets when he climbs up on the roof of his house to get a closer look at that luminary. -- Albert Einstein Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Dear Alexander, @13-May-2005, 18:48 +0200 (13-May 17:48 UK time) Alexander S. Kunz [ASK] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: ASK H, not here (see above). ;-) You guys must all be using the PTV. I use the RTV. PTV doesn't have the problem. RTV does. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.5 Return RC8 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgp8kWkOnZs1Y.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hi Marck and list, On Friday, May 13, 2005 at 17:32:56 GMT +0100 (which was 18:32 where I live) Marck D Pearlstone wrote (at least in parts) and made these valuable points on the subject of Threading: If you only have one line marked, it quotes nothing. cannot confirm, sorry! (The above was quoted with F4) Regards Michael powered by The BAT! 3.5 Return RC8, with usual problems of Windows 2000 Pro 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
On Friday, May 13, 2005, 11:50:02 AM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: You guys must all be using the PTV Nope. Displaying text in comic sans, quoted text in arial. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 3.5 Return RC9 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Marck, On 13-05-2005 18:50, you [MDP] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MDP You guys must all be using the PTV. I use the RTV. So am I and as you can se: no probs here. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5 Return RC9 Pro /thebat versionextras MyGate, AVG /extras env. ~11 POP3, 2 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 /os Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Reply to message sent 5/13/2005, @ 18:19:19 (11:19 AM Locally) ~~~ Have you defined/revised templates? What's your Reply template? I'm with Miguel on this one, it smells like an empty or rogue template is the culprit. I've been snagged by that problem many times before and it's always been a template problem lurking somewhere. -- ò.ó Nick Danger Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Marck, must all be using the PTV. I use the RTV. PTV I normally use PTV, but I have changed to RTV prior to replaying with just the partial line quoted above highlighted. As you can see, no problem here. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC9 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Dear Miguel, @13-May-2005, 18:58 +0200 (13-May 17:58 UK time) MAU [MAU] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: must all be using the PTV. I use the RTV. PTV MAU I normally use PTV, but I have changed to RTV prior to replaying MAU with just the partial line quoted above highlighted. As you can MAU see, no problem here. It must be a side effect of using RTV and the contorted quote stripper I use to reformat quotes. Okay - ignore me then. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.5 Return RC8 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpFcXTApQWNs.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hi Marck and list, On Friday, May 13, 2005 at 17:50:02 GMT +0100 (which was 18:50 where I live) Marck D Pearlstone wrote (at least in parts) and made these valuable points on the subject of Threading: You guys must all be using the PTV. I use the RTV. PTV doesn't have the problem. RTV does. Not over here, my viewer is RTV - I read messages from the preview window though. May be that's an explanation? -- Regards Michael powered by The BAT! 3.5 Return RC8, and MyMacros 1.11a with usual problems of Windows 2000 Pro 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Steve! On Friday, May 13, 2005, 10:51 AM, you wrote: I am sitting on the message, highlighted the text to be quoted, pressed f4 (or shift reply) and all it does is open a new message window prepopulated with an email address and subject. Steve, it's quite possible that the old pros who are suspecting templates are correct. Look in Account/Properties/Templates/Reply See if you have anything there. Here's what I have--but I have a lot of Address Book entry templates, also, and they over-ride the Account template. On advice from Marck and others, I don't use Folder templates: ___ Hello %OFromFName, %ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn, you wrote: %Quotes %Cursor -- Best regards, %FromFName _ Hope this helps. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.5 Return RC9 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Marck, Okay - ignore me then. No problem, we ignore you most of the time anyway ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC9 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello MAU everyone else, on 13-Mai-2005 at 18:58 you (MAU) wrote: replaying My most favorite typo! :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) The only real valuable thing is intuition. -- Albert Einstein Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Marck D Pearlstone everyone else, on 13-Mai-2005 at 19:11 you (Marck D Pearlstone) wrote: It must be a side effect of using RTV and the contorted quote stripper I use to reformat quotes. Okay - ignore me then. Ah! I remember I had that when I used the ...whatever... macro extension to automatically strip quotes. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) There is no democracy in physics. We can't say that some second-rate guy has as much right to an opinion as Fermi. -- Luis Alvarez Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Steve, F4 works, but I still think that the reply button should do the same. I agree! Shift+click on it :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC9 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Steve, The Reply template shows only %Cursor and my signature. That was it then. I've seen in another message you now know about %Quotes :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC9 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Steve! On Friday, May 13, 2005, 12:48 PM, you wrote: That was the one. %Quotes. Our pleasure. I have some with regular expressions in them, among my Address Book entry templates, that Marck made and supplied me with. But you can probably do that for yourself in Tools/Address Book/(highlight desired entry)/Edit/Properties Thank you very much indeed everyone. Our pleasure. Next question. Is there are away to automatically open any threads with unread messages to save having to click one's way down the chain? Would View/Display/Only unread messages do what you're looking for? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.5 Return RC9 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
On Friday, May 13, 2005, 1:25:40 PM, MAU wrote: F4 works, but I still think that the reply button should do the same. I agree! Shift+click on it Should also work for shift+click on reply to all, but it doesn't :( -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 3.5 Return RC9 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Dwight, Shift+click on it Should also work for shift+click on reply to all, but it doesn't :( I never did before. I don't know if with latest RCs it should or not. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC9 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello MAU, I never did before. _It_ never did befor. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC9 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Reply to message sent 5/13/2005, @ 21:45:49 (2:45 PM Locally) ~~~ Hello Miguel, I never did before. _It_ never did befor. You okay with that one, or do you want one more shot? Or perhaps you've already had too many shots? -- ò.ó Nick Danger Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
MAU @ 2005-May-13 2:25:40 PM Threading mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] F4 works, but I still think that the reply button should do the same. I agree! Shift+click on it Personally, I think the two features should be reversed. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Notice in a field: THE FARMER ALLOWS WALKERS TO CROSS THE FIELD FOR FREE, BUT THE BULL CHARGES pgpr8BbEEgbey.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Friday, May 13, 2005, 10:51:10 PM, Marck wrote: AJ Surely, unless one has a large number of folders to filter out to, AJ then any of those target folders is also going to be relatively AJ high traffic? MDP No folder is as high traffic as the inbox. None. every incoming MDP message pauses in the Inbox before moving to a filtered destination. Fair enough, but this is still a relative measure. MDP Keeping important messages in the Inbox is suicide. That's a MDP substantiated fact. Messages are being added to and deleted from the MDP folder continually. You think NT or 9x are stable enough to guarantee MDP no glitches when data is being moved that frequently? I don't! To be honest, I don't think I have ever had an issue with Windows failing to write a file in the manner the application instructed. The only occasion where I have actually (apparently) destroyed data was TB! killing off a portion of one of my inboxes! I don't think it fair to blame this on Windows when there is an equal (perhaps greater) chance that TB! was to blame (and yes I know this point supports your original advice). AJ And while we're here - define high traffic. MDP Adding and deleting every time messages are received, wherever they MDP end up. That do for you? Again, a relative measure. And any email client must do this. Surely it would be fundamental to any such software to ensure that this function works correctly if no other. AJ Anyone care to enlighten me? MDP I think I have. This is fundamental advice. I've seen too many MDP Waaah!! TB ate my inbox and all my data is gone! type posts to make MDP this advice anything other than firm and serious. And it's not because MDP TB is bad or wrong here. It's that the OS is still not stable enough MDP to guarantee no faults. It's that new AV solutions become ever more MDP Draconian in their treatment of files they deem infected. It's that MDP lightening strikes can still cause a power fluctuation just as a write MDP operation is going on. Let's not invite catastrophe. On this basis, you ought not to be using Windows at all. I recommend RISC OS. It's so niche that no malware author would bother and it runs rings around Windows for useability. Running it on a laptop could be problematic though (to avoid those power spikes). I just checked. My oldest email account has 4 years of emails in the inbox. It's only 549 and another 657 in (Known), but that must be a decent number of writes. 5,838 emails across 9 email accounts (plus who knows how many that have been deleted). 1 problem, ever - which was sorted out by recourse to a backup. -- Cheers, Allister :flag-newzealand: New Zealand / Aotearoa Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Steve! On Friday, May 13, 2005, 3:59 PM, you wrote: Would View/Display/Only unread messages do what you're looking for? Not really as it hides the threads completely! Okay. I thread by None/Received time and read (compulsively) all the mailing list messages chronologically. I don't think there's a way to do what you want. Unless it might be with filters and virtual folders. (I don't do those, either.) Miguel would know if there's a way to set up a virtual folder/filter system for that. Why don't you subscribe to tbbeta and start running the Release Candidate and put a feature request for it there? grinning, ducking, and running Seriously, you might at least lurk a bit. Within a few days version 3.5.0 may be out in a full release. And a newly revised/rewritten Help File is in the works, too. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.5 Return RC9 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Steve, Friday, May 13, 2005, 10:48:59 AM, you wrote: Is there are away to automatically open any threads with unread messages to save having to click one's way down the chain? Pressing the ctrl-shift-+ keys should open the thread. -- Thanks, Terry Using the Bat! 3.0.1.33 under Windows XP Service Pack 2 2600 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
On Friday, May 13, 2005, 1:30:31 PM, Mary Bull wrote: Is there are away to automatically open any threads with unread messages to save having to click one's way down the chain? Would View/Display/Only unread messages do what you're looking for? maybe you are wanting to alt-right arrow or what ever combination gets to next unread message, which opens at least part of that thread? There is much to be desired in threading, watching threads, ignoring threads here. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 3.5 Return RC9 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
At 18:48 [GMT+0100] on Friday May 13 (actual time - 1:48am on Saturday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: Steve Is there are away to automatically open any threads with unread Steve messages to save having to click one's way down the chain? No. But we do have smilies and pictures of the sender. -- cheers, mic It was one of those perfect English autumnal days which occur more frequently in memory than in life. P. D. James Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Mic! On Friday, May 13, 2005, 6:33 PM, you wrote: Steve Is there are away to automatically open any threads with unread Steve messages to save having to click one's way down the chain? Mic No. But we do have smilies and pictures of the sender. How mean! But I cherish you, anyway! Actually, if we all lobby hard enough, we might get that feature for Steve in the next beta cycle!! Keep the faith! ;) -- Best regards, Mary PCWSmileys Administrator http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php The Bat! 3.5 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading configuration
Hello Jonathan, Tuesday, September 21, 2004, 11:30:34 AM, you wrote: JV The Bat! will only detect the 1st case as a reply and will put it on the same thread JV Now i'm asking you guys if there's a solution to configure JV the bat! so that it can 1) ignore the [eac] when making the thread JV AND 2) consider R: as a reply prefix, in addition to the Re: JV generic prefix. JV I would be very happy to have PERFECT threads so that i could JV read all replies at the same time. And since The Bat! seems to be JV a highly configurable program (what is why i adore it) i hope JV there's a solution for me :) Have you tried threading by reference instead of by subject? -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.0.16 On Windows 98 4.10 Build # Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading configuration
Jonathan Vangrootloon @ 2004-Sep-21 1:35:18 PM threading configuration mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you tried threading by reference instead of by subject? Yes, but it doesn't work. The replies of only one member of the list are detected as being in the same thread. But thanks for the idea ! That's because only that one member uses an e-mail client that includes the proper headers. AOL is one of the worst offenders when it comes to not including headers. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 If a parsley farmer is sued, can they garnish his wages? pgpWhoIExgrHK.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading configuration
Jonathan Vangrootloon, [JV] wrote: Have you tried threading by reference instead of by subject? Yes, but it doesn't work. The replies of only one member of the list are detected as being in the same thread. But thanks for the idea ! If removing the '[eac]' string from the subject headers would help then you could use XRay to remove them. In that way the grouping by subject option would work better. XRay - http://www.xrayapp.com/xray/xray.shtml It's a tiny little app that works well at this sort of thing. -- -= Allie =- . STATUS QUO is Latin for the mess we're in. ___ IMAP Client: The Bat! v3.0.0.16 | SquirrelMail WebMail IMAP Server: Mdaemon Pro | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading configuration
On Tuesday, September 21, 2004 at 19:35 Jonathan Vangrootloon [JV] wrote: JV Yes, but it doesn't work. The replies of only one member of the JV list are detected as being in the same thread. But thanks for the JV idea ! Most likely, it will be very difficult, if not impossible to fix this. With all the possible variations that mailinglist software and people's e-mail clients might use to 'munge' the original subject, it is a sheer impossible task for the receiving end to try and make heads or tails from it. With each attempt to make TB! better at recognizing 'likewise' subjects, there is an increased risk of connecting unrelated messages to some other thread simply because the subjects look enough alike now. As suggested by Stuart, threading by references really is the way to go. The only problem being that some e-mail clients don't honor them. Most notably, my experience shows that people using the following will always cause mails to look as if they were new threads: * Hotmail (unless used with OE or some Hotmail popper) * AOL * Earlier versions of Eudora (ie. 2.1.2) * MS Outlook in combination with Exchange (the problem is Exchange) * Novell GroupWise (the problem is the GroupWise Internet Agent) * Webmail interfaces from several providers There are, of course, also examples of things that _do_ work properly, and probably the only thing you can do is ask people to consider switching to a different or more recent version of their e-mail software or using an e-mail account from a provider whose webmailer doesn't strip the references/in-reply-to headers. As for webmail, luckily the yahoogroups interface works properly and if I'm not mistaken providers using webmail based on SquirrelMail are also in the clear. Other than this I don't have much experience with free e-mail providers through webmail; others may be able to comment on their experiences and that might give you some information to steer people in that group in the right direction. -- Greetings, Maurice Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 The Bat! v3.0.0.16; BayesIt! 0.6.6; Bayes Filter Plugin v1.5.4; AJS v0.6; MyMacros 1.11a; Useless Macro Collection 1.6.662/beta Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading question
Hello Raymund, On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:07:06 +0200 GMT (23/08/2004, 23:07 +0700 GMT), Raymund Thomas Tump wrote: RTT I sent a mail about the my backup problem from my computer so I used RTT TB to do that. (msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) RTT At work I saw a response from Chris and answered it from work RTT (msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]). Now this mail contains a RTT reference to the mail from Chris but it doesn't thread with it It does over here. RTT (at least here with 2.13beta/6 and beta/7). It may be a beta problem. -- Cheers, Thomas. What to not say to the nice policeman: So, uh, you on the take or what? Message reply created with The Bat! 2.12.02 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
