[Texascavers] Change of Mailing address & Lengthy email

[Bill Bentley]

Mike and Others,

 Please let the SWR & Everyone is the Speleo- World know that I have a 
change of mailing address.


It is now William (Bill) T. Bentley

3323N Midland Drive STE 113

PMB 221

Midland Texas 79707

 My physical old house address is the same as as it has been since 
19/30/1993


400 Eastwood Drive ( I just can't seem to get my mail there )

Midland Texas 79703

Here's is why and reading for your amusement!

Yesterday I had to pay to go get a Pac Mail mailbox and there were so 
very friendly I was pleasantly pleased and I will use this cheap gas 
(LOL) to go check it every week or so, but it's near one my grocery 
stores so all is not a complete loss and today I started the arduous 
process of changing all of my mailings especially some lifetime 
membership magazines.   (I already talked to Michelle at the NSS)
  All because the Untied States Postal Service is denying me the 
free service guaranteed to every property owner in this city ( Yeah 
right) if you you should dare ask your carrier who will be a different 
person from one day to the next then you will get threatened and cursed 
at by by Shirley at Claydesta Post Office in Midland and then hung up 
on. Real unprofessional and criminal behavior. She actually said we 
don't care your delivery and we want get you arrested by postal inspectors.
I don't know maybe at some point if they do this to enough people 
something might change but I doubt it.

and on another note:
Okay I've given everyone over 2 years now to let them know that 
ca...@caver.net was going away. It's gone.. a autoresponder mostly 
ignored told ya so. If you still email me there. I don't know what to 
tell ya.. I can't fix stupid. Tired of even trying.


 I maybe crazy people but I'm not stupid!
Sincerely and with love to all my caver friends especially the craszy ones!

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Re: [Texascavers] Speelunker Cave ride to open at Six Flags Over Texas :

[Bill Bentley]

I graduated from high School in 1977 and went to Arlington and stayed 
with my oldest sister and her late husband for that Summer, I worked 
nights at a place called Meritex Plastics on Randoll Mill Rd making A 
framed little hollow bars for integrated circuit chips it was 19.5 
inches long and made from virgin poly vinyl chloride plastic which just 
so happens to have natural anti static properties and made after taxes 
$115.00 a week.


  But I got me a $29.95 Season to Six Flags over Texas, I bet I 
spent 4 out of 5 days there at the park. I knew it backwards and 
forwards, quickest route to anything I knew shortcuts even through 
employee only areas. I got away with it because I have always had the 
ability to fool people into thinking I known what I am doing. I could be 
at entry gate to the shock-wave Roller-coaster which opened that season 
in 4 minutes or so, I knew where best food for money was and to know 
some the regular worker's during the week it wasn't as crowded as 
weekends. Now you may ask why I am telling all of this? For one thing I 
can remember it in great detail and because I would go through the 
"Spelunker's Cave" there to cool down and it was highly air-conditioned. 
To ride 4 to 5 times back to back and that helped you tolerate that 
nasty old East Texas Humidity which I never did like.  I didn't think it 
was like a real cave as I knew it for what it was, but at 17 back then I 
was probably smarter than kids today in knowing al little bit about a 
lot of stuff.


My short term is going which is irritating as hell and do a whole lot of 
repeating or so they say.


I would say something about cannabis  or hemp but you all know and my 
views on that have drastically changed! LOL.


Thanks for evoking a memory of fun times at age 17.

Cavers are the best!

Bill


On 5/13/2022 8:38 PM, Carol W Russell wrote:
This will set back caving, or at least caving as conceived of by the 
general public, about 1,000 years...


On Fri, May 13, 2022, 4:16 AM Jerry  wrote:


  Classic Six Flags Over Texas Ride Returns With Modern Updates


Pirates of Speelunker Cave will be open to the general public
this Saturday


https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/six-flags-over-texas-debuts-new-pirate-cave-ride/2966167/


Jerry Atkinson.
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Re: [Texascavers] TSA Spring Convention - Call for Presenters

[Bill Bentley]

Those stairs.   Ugh

On Tue, Feb 22, 2022, 4:54 PM Kris Pena  wrote:

> Bill,
>
> It will be at Cave Without A Name outside of Boerne. We have the full
> campground reserved for the weekend as well as the event space inside the
> cave to view presentations.
>
> Kris
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 4:52 PM Bill Bentley  wrote:
>
>> Where is this happening?
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 22, 2022, 2:05 PM Kris Pena  wrote:
>>
>>> The TSA Spring Convention is happening May 20-22 this year and I'm
>>> putting out the call for presenters!
>>>
>>> Have something you'd love to tell your fellow cavers about? Or maybe a
>>> workshop you've dreamed of giving? We're looking for people to give talks
>>> and lead workshops at this year's convention.
>>>
>>> Do you think maybe you have an idea, but you're worried it's not
>>> relevant? Cavers have wide and varied interests. If it's something you
>>> think you might want to hear about, chances are your caver friends might
>>> too.
>>>
>>> Here's some ideas of subjects that you might not have thought about:
>>> * Trip Reports of adventures to new and interesting places
>>> * Trip Reports of new adventures to places we all know and love
>>> * Hydrology - water flowing through caves, water in the aquifer, water
>>> on the surface
>>> * Geology - geology in caves, rock formations, the limestone of Texas
>>> * Biology - animals that spend their whole lives in caves, about animals
>>> that make their homes in caves some of the time (raccoons, snakes,
>>> crickets), things living and growing in caves that aren't animals
>>> * Bats - bat science, bat biology, diseases spread by bats, diseases not
>>> spread by bats, WNS updates, bat rescue, bat conservation
>>> * Cave technology - lighting, headlights, survey instruments,
>>> environmental sensors
>>> * Outdoor enthusiast topics - hiking, flora and fauna identification,
>>> animal tracks, things seen on hikes to caves
>>> * Cave Rescue - cave rescue reports or topics related to rescue
>>> * Vertical techniques
>>> * Dark Spaces
>>> * Cave mapping - classic techniques, modern techniques, future techniques
>>>
>>> Maybe you still don't think you have something to talk about, but you
>>> know someone else would be perfect? Let me know who and I'll chase them
>>> down.
>>>
>>> Contact me directly if you or someone you know has something to teach us
>>> about: vicechair...@cavetexas.org
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Re: [Texascavers] TSA Spring Convention - Call for Presenters

[Bill Bentley]

Where is this happening?

On Tue, Feb 22, 2022, 2:05 PM Kris Pena  wrote:

> The TSA Spring Convention is happening May 20-22 this year and I'm putting
> out the call for presenters!
>
> Have something you'd love to tell your fellow cavers about? Or maybe a
> workshop you've dreamed of giving? We're looking for people to give talks
> and lead workshops at this year's convention.
>
> Do you think maybe you have an idea, but you're worried it's not relevant?
> Cavers have wide and varied interests. If it's something you think you
> might want to hear about, chances are your caver friends might too.
>
> Here's some ideas of subjects that you might not have thought about:
> * Trip Reports of adventures to new and interesting places
> * Trip Reports of new adventures to places we all know and love
> * Hydrology - water flowing through caves, water in the aquifer, water on
> the surface
> * Geology - geology in caves, rock formations, the limestone of Texas
> * Biology - animals that spend their whole lives in caves, about animals
> that make their homes in caves some of the time (raccoons, snakes,
> crickets), things living and growing in caves that aren't animals
> * Bats - bat science, bat biology, diseases spread by bats, diseases not
> spread by bats, WNS updates, bat rescue, bat conservation
> * Cave technology - lighting, headlights, survey instruments,
> environmental sensors
> * Outdoor enthusiast topics - hiking, flora and fauna identification,
> animal tracks, things seen on hikes to caves
> * Cave Rescue - cave rescue reports or topics related to rescue
> * Vertical techniques
> * Dark Spaces
> * Cave mapping - classic techniques, modern techniques, future techniques
>
> Maybe you still don't think you have something to talk about, but you know
> someone else would be perfect? Let me know who and I'll chase them down.
>
> Contact me directly if you or someone you know has something to teach us
> about: vicechair...@cavetexas.org
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas caver Mike Wharton

[Bill Bentley]

When Mike lived in Odessa he helped me and a few others get trained to 
do vertical rope work. I remember his trips into Wizards Well, it was 
full on go and we never rested but once in 28 hours . He was always a 
good friend to me and many others, I have some great memories...


On 11/22/2021 10:25 PM, Mimi Jasek wrote:
So sorry to hear this ☹️ My Jim went caving with Mike on numerous 
occasions. Seems like strokes are taking more of our community’s old 
timers away from us in one way or another. Friends, help Cindy out all 
you can. She will need the support. Quite honestly, depending on the 
type and severity of the stroke, Mike could come back all the way, 
part of the way, or none of the way. We will be sending healing 
thoughts and prayers their way!


Thanks for letting us know Bill.

Mimi Jasek
Waco, TX
mjca...@gmail.com
254-495-0416

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On Nov 22, 2021, at 10:44 PM, Charles Loving  wrote:

Mike was a neighbor out here in Real and Edwards County. He lived on 
the other side of the Nueches. Mike was a fun fellow. He kept 
building his own caves on his property.


On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 5:43 PM William R. Elliott 
 wrote:


Just wanted to say that his name is spelled Warton.

*William R. (Bill) Elliott*

30105 Briarcrest Court

Georgetown, Texas 78628

_speodesmus@gmail.com_

573-291-5093 cell



On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 6:00 PM Bill Steele
 wrote:

I heard bad news a little while ago about fellow caver Mike
Wharton. Mike was very active in caving in Texas and Mexico
in the 1980s and 1990s. He retired to the Hill Country a few
years ago.

He’s had a major stroke and ls being cared for at Sagebrook
Nursing and Rehabilitation in Cedar Park, just north of Austin:
https://caradayhealth.com/sagebrook/

 I have his wife Cindy’s phone number if you know Mike and
would like to speak with her. Email me for it.

Best regards,

Bill Steele
Irving, Texas
speleoste...@aol.com

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[Texascavers] CNN Films Shorts aired Sunday 7-21-2021

[Bill Bentley]

http://www.caver.net/j/CNNFILMSSHORTS.mp4 
<http://www.caver.net/j/CNNFILMSSHORTS.mp4>


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Re: [Texascavers] Crane Bat Cave Clean Up, Sunday, March 14 2021

[Bill Bentley]

I have been all over King mountain and any other hill all the way to 
Indian mesa around Crane Texas, I did not even know there was a cave 
there, more or less with bats, I must have missed that one, but I do 
tend to forget things these days.


Bill

On 3/15/2021 8:09 PM, Geary Schindel wrote:


Folks,

The San Antonio Kickoff for the International Year of Caves and Karst 
was last Sunday, March 14, 2021.


I want to thank everyone that came out to the Crane Bat Cave property 
cleanup. The weather was cool and overcast and we were able to fill 
two twenty-yard roll offs with ranch waste. We also created some piles 
of trash we had drug out of the weeds which will make cleaning up the 
property easier in the future. Materials ranged from shingles, sheet 
metal, an old chicken coop, boards, old swing set, wire, fencing, more 
wire, glass, and more sheet metal. There was also a large metallic 
disc that was too large to pick up and was hot to the touch. We tried 
to break it up with a sledgehammer, axe, grinder, reciprocating saw, 
cutting torch, and couldn’t dent or even scratch it (You know if Paul 
and Stephen Bryant can’t tear it up, it has got to be tough). We 
figured we could get some worth decent beer money with it at the scrap 
yard. We could hear something moving around inside but couldn’t see in 
the windows. I slapped a yellow bat sticker on the thing and left it 
for the next cleanup.


We had about 28 people attend the event. I think the Aggies drove the 
furthest to get there and always put in a great effort. Others came 
from Austin and the rest from the San Antonio area. Here is a list of 
people that attended. (I’m sure I’ll get some of the names wrong but 
folks need to learn how to write their names so an old man can read 
them.)


Mike Yang (Austin), Alan Montemayor (aka Curly Merkin), Nat Clark, 
Kori Dunaway, Richard Silver, Adam Dow, Mauri Attil, Marco Ramos, 
Srirm Madabushi, Tom Florer, Mark Dobson, Mark Walker, Sara Ranzau, 
Liz Brearley, Catherine Daas, Dilan Klessel, Alyson Lipsett, Garry 
White, Bobby Randolph, Isabell Petersen, Chelsea Parada, Paul Bryant, 
Rebecca Bryant, Liam Bryant, Stephen Bryant, Marrin Atzil, Leia Hill, 
Geary Schindel, and Engledink Humperbert (British singer that provided 
entertainment.)


The Crane Bat Cave property was acquired to protect the contributing 
zone of the Edwards Aquifer and will be used as a nature preserve. We 
contributed about four hours labor each with 28 people for a total of 
112 person hours of work. At $15 per hour, our efforts were valued at 
$1,680. I used the $15 amount since we’re dealing with skilled caver 
labor and many have prior  experience picking up trash along the 
highway (the orange jumpsuit crowd). I would have valued the work even 
higher, but we couldn’t get the metal disc cut into smaller pieces. 
Maybe Galen will come down next time and do a little micro-shaving 
with some diamond bits.


Jim Bowie’s buried silver was not found under the trash piles but I’m 
sure it’s there. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.


Thanks to everyone that helped. It was nice to get folks together, do 
a little socializing (at a distance) and I  It has earned us a lot of 
good will with the city.


Geary Schindel




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[Texascavers] Bill Bentley

[Bill Bentley]

Greetings fellow cavers,
As some of you may know already.. but I have 2 more tests to rule out a 
diagnosis of something they call "Lewy Bodies Dementia". But I have all 
of the symptoms. I have known myself that something was not right for 
quite a while. I was glad to finally get some answers that made sense. 
My family and friends have been wonderful in their support so far. I 
hope to soon be making a few bucket list trips. I also am trying to make 
the conscience effort to be upbeat and positive through it all until 
such time as I can't.

God bless all my friends and people that care.
I will try to post as much as is possible.
Take care and try to make someone smile and brighten their day and think 
of me.

Keep the undying spirit of exploration going.
Bill
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Re: [Texascavers] Fortified Well Water Cartoon

[Bill Bentley]

That sounds like an Tony Greico cartoon from the 1980's

Let look in my archive files and see what I can find.

Thanks,

Bill

On 6/13/2020 11:42 AM, Justin Shaw wrote:
I’m looking for an an old “cartoon” showing a cross section of Karst 
below a family’s homestead; complete with the outhouse and trash 
filled sinkhole leaching into the aquifer below, with its connection 
to the family’s well.


One character is asking another to dump some refuse and bring them 
back some “fortified well water.”


Anyone have a copy of this cartoon ?




Justin Leigh Shaw

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Re: [Texascavers] Has a date and location for the next TCR been selected yet.

[Bill Bentley]

Drove by on the way home and checked it out... lots closer but it is no
Paradise Canyon, lest we be spoiled...
Bill

On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 11:56 AM Geary Schindel <
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org> wrote:

> Thanks Diana,
>
>
>
> I’m trying to schedule an event in October and wanted to make sure there
> wasn’t any conflicts.
>
>
>
> Geary
>
>
>
> *From:* Diana Tomchick 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 20, 2019 11:51 AM
> *To:* Cave Tex 
> *Cc:* Geary Schindel 
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Has a date and location for the next TCR
> been selected yet.
>
>
>
> 15-18 October at BSA Camp Sol Mayer in Menard County, only about 10 miles
> from Powells Cave!
>
>
>
> Diana
>
>
>
> **
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> Professor
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> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
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>
>
> On Nov 20, 2019, at 11:45 AM, Jim Kennedy  wrote:
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>
>
> EXTERNAL MAIL
>
> Yup, we announced it at the awards ceremony at this year’s TCR, and also
> on the TCR Facebook page.
>
> Jim
>
> Mobile email from my iPhone
>
>
> On Nov 20, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Geary Schindel 
> wrote:
>
> Has a date for the 2020 Texas Cavers Reunion been selected yet.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geary
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Robber Baron Cave

[Bill Bentley]

Can't read the article as it says you have to be a subscriber of the San
Antonio Express newspaper.

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 9:51 AM Geary Schindel 
wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I have a caving post.
>
> I want to say how impressed I was with Lindsey Adamonski, Joe Mitchell,
> and Joe Ranzau and the many many volunteers that worked on the Robber Baron
> Open House. It was an outstanding event and incredibly well organized. Also
> for Elaine and Rob Bissett for organizing the After Open House party and
> degassing. I know that many cavers drove from Austin and Houston to attend
> the event as well as all the cavers from the San Antonio area. It is always
> great to see cavers - young and old to volunteer to support caves and
> caving events. THANK YOU.
>
> I understand that more than 700 folks visited the cave, it was a major
> fund raiser which will go back into the caving community, and that there
> was some great outreach by many of the organizations present including the
> TSA, Bexar Grotto, TCMA, TSP, Master Naturalists, EAA, etc. Here is a link
> to an article in the San Antonio Express News you all may want to see.
> https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Hundreds-flock-to-Robber-Baron-to-get-rare-14475886.php
> Make sure that you click through the photos and see the one of Mio Kitano
> who is covered in the Express News on a regular basis (I think she needs an
> agent).
>
> I've been working with some of the folks in the Huntsville area to hold a
> similar event in Shelta Cave in Huntsville, Alabama. The Robber Baron Open
> House is a great model.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geary M. Schindel
> President
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Re: [Texascavers] vision of Mixon, William, and Ernie

[Bill Bentley]

Very well said Logan... Aging doesn't bother me, but as time passes we lose
so much in the people we lose along the way.
Bill

On Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 6:17 PM Logan  wrote:

> I'm not religious and don't believe in the traditional Christian view of
> Heaven. I think Mixon, William, and Ernie felt the same. But I keep having
> this vision of them being very happy up there.
>
> Mixon: "Finally, manuscripts submitted with no errors or problems!"
>
> William: "Oh joy, every cave I dig open has a crawl that goes on forever!"
>
> Ernie: "Every photo I take is perfect!"
>
> It's a good way to remember our many friends.
>
> Logan
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Re: [Texascavers] Stories

[Bill Bentley]

You are no longer the Center of Attention of the Texas Caving Universe! You
were replaced by a Branton Compass!

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 2:47 PM David  wrote:

> Y'all are killing me with all these emails in my inbox
>
> LOL!
>
> I may have to unsubscribe.
>
> LOL!
>
> David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] lets bring Cave sim to TCR

[Bill Bentley]

PBSS would love to help,but we are broke!

On Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 10:24 PM Galen Falgout  wrote:

> Let’s get cave sim back to TCR and while he is here Dave Jackson will
> helps educate central Texas school about caves
>
>
> https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-cavesim-travel-to-texas?utm_source=facebook_medium=social_campaign=fb_dn_cpgnstaticsmall_r
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Re: [Texascavers] Another misadventure

[Bill Bentley]

Can you imagine if every caver lived their life like that... Let's see only
about 45 cavers would make it to the convention and the other 1,435 would
be scattered at various hitchhiking points across the USA... And then there
would be 235,000 emails and replies all explaining their various maladies
and hard luck stories... Ah the tales of the variuos Craigslist drivers
like Freddie Kruger and Leatherface... only if...

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019, 6:44 PM Scott Boyd  wrote:

> His ride was only to Texarkana on I-30. I-49 is where he needs to go south
> to Humid-town - I mean Houston...
>
> Scott D. Boyd
> GPS Technician - TX, LA, AR, OK & MS
> Professional Transportation, Inc.
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019, 5:09 PM John Brooks 
> wrote:
>
>> What happened?
>> Did you get dumped on the side of the road ?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 19, 2019, at 3:59 PM, David  wrote:
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/y47CBpU325n8rU4R6
>>
>> 4 p.m. Wednesday
>> 10 miles northeast of Texarkana, Texas
>>
>>
>>
>> D.L.
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Re: [Texascavers] Bumming rides

[Bill Bentley]

I am deeply saddened that you didnt get to see me.
Bill Bentley

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019, 6:59 PM David  wrote:

> I had a blast at the convention hitch-hiking.
>
> I hitch-hiked a ride to The Howdy Party from my hotel from the bass-player
> in the band that performed.  I did the "Wayne's World skit" for him ( where
> Wayne and Garth met Alice Cooper ), and he chuckled.   "I'm not worthy."
>
> Two members of the Terminal-Siphons rock-band found me along a wet road
> near the campground this afternoon  and took me to the high-school.  ( The
> lead-guitar player and his wife, the tambourine player. )
>
> The only events that I attended this year were that I very briefly looked
> at the maps, and spent less than ten minutes at the Fine Arts Salon.   The
> small sculpture of the salamander in the pool was awesome.  I loved it.
>
> I bummed a ride from there with TAG-caver Gerald Moni.  His rescue movie,
> is one of my favorites.  I bought his dinner at the local Mexican
> restaurant, which is now my favorite Mexican restaurant.  He had never had
> food like I ordered.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/zRjC1mue61AYAqQh6
>
> I saved his life in Sumidero de Acahuizotla, but his version of the story
> is that he was just under water a little longer than he expected.   He
> don't even remember.
>
> My next Craigslist chauffeur is p*ssing me off.   I was hoping to be on
> the road tonight heading towards Arkansas.  I am starting to sense that he
> is instead just a internet troll just ph*cking with me.
>
>
> I did learn today that the person that I thought was missing and maybe in
> danger ( the one that I was trying to search for ), had very recently spent
> a night in jail.   I have long abandoned any desire to help them.
>
> My custoners back home are really making me want to toss my cookiea.   I
> need to close my business and just live under a bridge like 20,000 other
> Houstonians do.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Groad Hollow

[Bill Bentley]

Walk across the campground and say Hi!
Bill Bentley

On Sun, Jun 16, 2019, 6:47 PM David  wrote:

> Typo
>
> Rune Burnett
>
> Blake Harrison and Dominique are here.
>
> Mark Gee just got her telling everybody how wonderful The Geology Field
> trip was.
>
> Old-timer, " Larry Cohen." just showed up.
>
> The Nashville Grotto has a cool bar set up.   There will be a
> pre-convention pub-style gathering there tonight.
>
> Cavers here are reminiscing / chattering about Bill Mixon.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] NSS Convention

[Bill Bentley]

David,
You can sleep under my awning in my zero gravity chair.
Bill

On Sat, Jun 15, 2019, 7:05 PM David  wrote:

> 7 pm Central Time
>
> I am frolicking in Memphis and should be in Nashville in 3 hours.
>
> I might get a cheap motel in Lebanon.
>
> Are any cavers near Nashville offering a room tonight ?
>
> I can offer a bed in my room in Lebanon if I get one.
>
> I do not see a how to press on to Cookesville.
>
> David Locklear
> Houston,Texas
> NSS # 27639
>
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[Texascavers] Video for Locklear

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Gloworm Cave from the PBSS 1992
https://youtu.be/hbrl4jis7jw
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[Texascavers] Video for Locklear

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1992 Gloworm Cave Entrance. 16 ft tight and I mean tight entrance!
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Re: [Texascavers] an interesting news story

[Bill Bentley]

My Dad communicated with the RA and RA II expeditions in 1969 and 1970 on
Amateur Radio. As a kid I remember him marking with thumbtacks their
location progress on a National Geographic Map on the wall.
 Bill

On Wed, May 8, 2019, 12:56 PM Steve Keselik  wrote:

> Interesting story, I'd like to see someone do it in a shipping container!.
> I've heard there are lots of them afloat and cause danger to boat
> navigation. I've also been a big fan of Thor Heyerdahl and Kon-Tiki since I
> was a kid. We had the picture book. Another interesting man who may still
> hold the longest record for crossing the Atlantic is Alecksander Doba, a 70
> year old who's soloed at least 3 times.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksander_Doba
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 10:20 AM Bill Bentley  wrote:
>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kon-Tiki_expedition
>> On 5/8/2019 10:15 AM, David wrote:
>>
>> It is very hard in 2019 to find a feel-good news story. So I thought
>> I would
>> share this in case you did not see it.
>>
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/barrel-atlantic-crossing-arrival-scli-intl/index.html
>>
>> He crossed the ocean at 2 miles per hour - using no sail.
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Re: [Texascavers] an interesting news story

[Bill Bentley]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kon-Tiki_expedition

On 5/8/2019 10:15 AM, David wrote:
It is very hard in 2019 to find a feel-good news story. So I thought I 
would

share this in case you did not see it.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/barrel-atlantic-crossing-arrival-scli-intl/index.html

He crossed the ocean at 2 miles per hour - using no sail.

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[Texascavers] Fwd: Hudspeth County caves?

[Bill Bentley]

Can you all help Charles,

 El Paso and Hudspeth County is 300 + miles from me.

 Thanks,

Bill



 Forwarded Message 

Hi,

I am working with cave-obligate pseudoscorpions in the Appalachian region. Next 
week I will be at Indio Ranch (aka Indio Mountains Research Station) in 
Hudspeth County, it’s a 40k acre property owned by University of Texas El Paso. 
I am primarily looking for species related to eastern ones that occur on the 
surface in the area, but will happily poke around in caves as well while I’m 
there.  Would you be willing to share data on caves in this region of the 
county, or for the whole county?

I am a NSS member (#67409) and have presented my research at a few NSS 
meetings. I’m planning on attending NSS 2019 to present the results of my PhD 
research in the biology part of the meeting, which will include what I find on 
this trip next week.


Thank you!

Charles

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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Your GPS Devices May Stop Working On April 6 If You Don't Or Can't Update Firmware

[Bill Bentley]

I have 2 Garmin GPS  V unit's  and they will be worthless , they don't 
even show as old legacy units on the Garmin web site. I think i paid 
$350.00 for them back in the day!


Thanks you technology and planned obsolescence!

:(

Bill


On 2/14/2019 1:41 AM, Lee H. Skinner wrote:

Another similar to Y2K problem!  GPS receivers built after 2010 should 
handle this week rollover problem OK.



News stories at:

https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/19/02/14/0041206/your-gps-devices-may-stop-working-on-april-6-if-you-dont-or-cant-update-firmware 



and

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/02/12/current_gps_epoch_ends/


PDF file warning from Homeland Security:

https://ics-cert.us-cert.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Memorandum_on_GPS_2019.pdf 




Lee Skinner


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Re: [Texascavers] a caver story

[Bill Bentley]

Very cool writing and pictures.
Thanks,
Bill

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019, 4:13 PM William R. Elliott 
wrote:

> *Caver Story: Restaurant Condesa*
>
> Many older cavers remember the Restaurant Condesa in Ciudad Valles, San
> Luis Potosí, in the heart of the Sierra de El Abra. It was owned by Señor
> Juan Bermea Gloria, who had worked in the States and spoke English. He was
> a good friend to the cavers. He was our message center for years, even
> keeping a couple of log books in his glass counter for cavers to sign and
> leave each other messages. Sometimes he let cavers camp in his jardín when
> they could not find a place. Cavers often visited the tiny Condesa, and it
> was mentioned in caver newsletters from the early 1960s to 1984. [see
> photos attached]
>
>
>
> In 1969 Richard O. Albert wrote, “We always ate at the Restaurant La
> Condesa, right on the plaza that was right on the edge of the Río Valles.
> The food there was good, but the waitresses were not. We would all sit down
> and order something from the menu, and then always wondered what we would
> get. Sometimes it was what we had ordered and sometimes it was not, but we
> learned to eat and not complain too much about it. The waitresses never
> wrote down anything, and never remembered it either. It was always sort of
> an adventure to go in there…”
>
>
> By 1969 the Condesa had moved one block from the plaza, where it stood for
> many years across the street from the Hotel Condesa. I remember the
> “Enchiladas Condesa,” which were so hot I usually could not finish them,
> but they were tasty, stuffed with lots of goat cheese and goodies. They
> were flat tortillas stacked like pancakes, real Mexican style, not rolled
> up Tex-Mex style.
>
>
> I remember bumping into cave biologist Stewart Peck on the street in
> Ciudad Valles in 1969 on the way to the Condesa. We went caving a couple of
> times. Stewart is a beetle man, and I remember him and his brother James
> considering the menu in the Condesa, and which dishes would make the best
> dung for trapping beetles. I had never witnessed that before. When Stewart
> left town he bequeathed me a can of shit.
>
>
>
> According to UT Grotto and trip reports in the *Texas Caver, *the Condesa
> burned in 1984, and all the caver logbooks burned too. Maybe someone has a
> copy of them. It was said that the printing shop next door caused the fire.
> By 1985 the Condesa had moved to three blocks from the plaza, and Sr.
> Gloria had a new caver logbook. Now it is no more. By 1986 the restaurant
> had become the Don Juan, and cavers continued to eat there until at least
> 1992, even keeping a logbook there. When I last visited in 2013 the Hotel
> Condesa looked the same, but the old restaurant building was a pharmacia or
> something.
>
>
> Goodbye Condesa. We loved you.
>
>
>
> *Attached photos:*
>
>
> *1.* The Restaurant Condesa in 1984. Cavers Mike Furrey and Jon Cradit
> are standing in front. by Mike Warton.
>
>
>
> *2. *El Abra cave mappers, May 1974. Left to right: Neal Morris, Carmen
> Soileau, Andy Grubbs, John Prentice, and Barb Vinson.  by William R.
> Elliott
>
>
> [This story came from AMCS Bulletin 26, 2018, *The Astyanax Caves of
> Mexico.*]
>
>
> *William R. (Bill) Elliott*
>
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Re: [Texascavers] FW: Brown Bag presentation - Jesse Chadwick - The Burgess Shale: New Insights into Early and Modern Life from the Marble Canyon Site, Thursday, January 17 from noon to 1 pm at EAA

[Bill Bentley]

Is that the famed Marble Canyon in the Sierria Diablo mountain Range of
Texas?
North of Van Horn.
Bill

On Thu, Jan 17, 2019, 7:46 AM Geary Schindel 
> Folks,
>
> This is a reminder that we have an excellent talk scheduled for noon today
> (Thursday) by Jesse Chadwick. The talk is on the Burgess Shale, arguably,
> the most famous rock outcrop among geologists and the subject of numerous
> books and papers. Stephen J. Gould wrote a book on this outcrop called "A
> Wonderful Life" about the explosion of complex life during the Cambrian
> Period.
>
> Hope to see you there.
>
> Geary
>
> From: Geary Schindel
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:20 AM
> To: Geary Schindel  gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>>
> Subject: Brown Bag presentation - Jesse Chadwick - The Burgess Shale: New
> Insights into Early and Modern Life from the Marble Canyon Site, Thursday,
> January 17 from noon to 1 pm at EAA
>
> Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -
> aka brown bag luncheon
>
> Thursday, January 17, 2019 at Noon
>
> The Burgess Shale: New Insights into Early and Modern Life from the Marble
> Canyon Site
>
>
> Jesse Chadwick
> At
>
> Edwards Aquifer Authority
> Training Room
> 900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215
>
>  Ms. Jesse Chadwick will present on "The Burgess Shale: New Insights into
> Early and Modern Life from the Marble Canyon Site." The presentation will
> occur on Thursday, January 17, 2019 from Noon. to 1:00 P.M. in the Training
> Room at the Edwards Aquifer Authority, 900 E. Quincy Street, San Antonio,
> Texas. These are informal presentations so please feel free to bring your
> lunch. You may also contact the EAA at 210.222.2204 or
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>
>
> Abstract:
>
> The fossil deposits of the Burgess Shale, British Columbia provide an
> unparalleled record of soft-bodied organisms during one of life's earliest
> episodes - the Cambrian explosion. The Burgess has been studied since the
> early 20th century, perplexing paleontologists and evolutionary biologists
> alike with its extraordinary fossils. In 2014 and 2016, Miss Chadwick
> joined the Royal Ontario Museum and its collaborators to excavate fossils
> from the newly discovered Marble Canyon site in Kootenay National Park. She
> will discuss some of the new organisms described by researchers from this
> site, as well as expedition life in the Canadian Rockies.
>
> Biography:
>
> Jesse Chadwick studied metamorphic petrology at Princeton University and
> Montana State University. Her masters thesis focused on mapping and
> quantitative thermobarometry of mid- to high grade Archean metamorphic
> lithologies in southwestern Montana. She is an avid explorer of the south
> Texas subsurface and its associated biological systems. She currently
> coordinates the Alamo Area Clean Cities Coalition, an alternative fuels
> program at the Alamo Area Council of Governments.
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Re: [Texascavers] dumpster dive party

[Bill Bentley]

Nah I got and old used second hand home made one made out of a
refrigerator, it still works but occasionally its slips and you be off a
year or so. Lol...

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019, 9:21 PM Scott Boyd  Bill - did you use your Delorean time machine?
>
> Scott D. Boyd
> GPS Technician - TX, LA, AR, OK & MS
> Professional Transportation, Inc.
>
> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019, 9:15 PM Bill Bentley 
>> I had to fax something a while back, I had to fire up my time machine and
>> go back to 1985 and find a fax machine!
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019, 9:07 PM David >
>>> From David Locklear
>>>
>>> I am way way out of the loop on this topic and any caving topic.
>>>
>>> There is or once was a fancy 10 gallon mining bucket in Ernie's storage
>>> shed.I would like to either have this bucket and accessories returned
>>> to me,
>>> or make sure it perpetually ends up in "The Texas Speleological
>>> Center."   The old hunk of metal may look like a rusty bucket and chain,
>>> but it is worth far more money than it appears.   The lifting brace alone
>>> was forged with magic speleo-love more powerful than the legendary sword of
>>> Excalibur.  Okay, maybe a slight exaggeration.   I had the lift-brace
>>> custom fabricated by an engineering firm and specially heat-treated.
>>>
>>> Ernie told me recently that I had some boots there too.  I can not
>>> imagine they would still be any good after 5 years of dry-rot, plus my foot
>>> has grown since then.
>>>
>>>
>>> On a totally different note,
>>>
>>> I am buried in work, and finally steadly making money ( about $ 500 a
>>> week.)   I know that is chump change, but being self-employed is an
>>> achievement in itself.   The quantity of my work appears to be growing, but
>>> it could be an illusion.
>>>
>>> As of today, I now have an cloud-based fax number using
>>>
>>>   www.xenfax.com
>>>
>>> The service is not yet working quite right.  The number is supposed to
>>> be 832-410-8050.  Fax me a smiley-face if you can, so I can test it.I
>>> can now see the benefits of such a service.I had used Camscanner app
>>> for 2 years as my fax tool, but it is a different tool than XenFax.  Like a
>>> ratchet-screwdriver compared to an electric driver. Camscanner was not
>>> doing the faxing task the way I needed it done.   The lower cost of XenFax
>>> will hopefully be the solution.If you want to see how it works, text me
>>> privately, but I imagine it is just like efax or smartfax, etc.
>>>
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Re: [Texascavers] dumpster dive party

[Bill Bentley]

I had to fax something a while back, I had to fire up my time machine and
go back to 1985 and find a fax machine!

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019, 9:07 PM David  From David Locklear
>
> I am way way out of the loop on this topic and any caving topic.
>
> There is or once was a fancy 10 gallon mining bucket in Ernie's storage
> shed.I would like to either have this bucket and accessories returned
> to me,
> or make sure it perpetually ends up in "The Texas Speleological Center."
>  The old hunk of metal may look like a rusty bucket and chain, but it is
> worth far more money than it appears.   The lifting brace alone was forged
> with magic speleo-love more powerful than the legendary sword of
> Excalibur.  Okay, maybe a slight exaggeration.   I had the lift-brace
> custom fabricated by an engineering firm and specially heat-treated.
>
> Ernie told me recently that I had some boots there too.  I can not imagine
> they would still be any good after 5 years of dry-rot, plus my foot has
> grown since then.
>
>
> On a totally different note,
>
> I am buried in work, and finally steadly making money ( about $ 500 a
> week.)   I know that is chump change, but being self-employed is an
> achievement in itself.   The quantity of my work appears to be growing, but
> it could be an illusion.
>
> As of today, I now have an cloud-based fax number using
>
>   www.xenfax.com
>
> The service is not yet working quite right.  The number is supposed to be
> 832-410-8050.  Fax me a smiley-face if you can, so I can test it.I can
> now see the benefits of such a service.I had used Camscanner app for 2
> years as my fax tool, but it is a different tool than XenFax.  Like a
> ratchet-screwdriver compared to an electric driver. Camscanner was not
> doing the faxing task the way I needed it done.   The lower cost of XenFax
> will hopefully be the solution.If you want to see how it works, text me
> privately, but I imagine it is just like efax or smartfax, etc.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] give Locklear a ride

[Bill Bentley]

Well I am leaving July 27th and not coming back till August 11th or 12th.

I could deliver but he'd have to hitch back with someone else.


On 6/6/2018 4:30 PM, Logan McNatt wrote:

You "was gonna". Does that mean you now "aren't gonna"?

Bill, I have always thought of you as having above-average 
intelligence. If you haven't already lost your mind, you will by the 
time you reach Helena. Of course after David has driven you crazy, he 
will be happy to drive you back.

LowGun

On 6/6/2018 4:08 PM, Bill Bentley wrote:


I was gonna offer Locklear a ride...



On 6/6/2018 3:42 PM, Jim Kennedy wrote:

Aaaand, so begins the pool for what time Locklear will show up at the 
Convention, how long he will stay, and how many emails about what a bad 
decision it was. Any takers?

Mobile email from my iPhone


On Jun 6, 2018, at 12:43 PM, David  wrote:

>From David Locklear

I have not been able to give any thought to going to Montana in late July.

I have not recovered mentally from my road-trip fiasco to the last convention.  
I still owe over $ 10,000 for my new motor ( which I have already put 50,000 
plus miles on )

But I am at the point today, where I either need to start turning down work, so 
that I will be free the week of the convention,

or face my reality and just start taking on extra work.

It might as well be in Hawaii or Alaska or Taiwan or Puerto Rico or Guam, etc.

Driving my Sequoia there, especially alone, would be one of the stupidest thing 
I ever done, and that list is already longer than most people on Earth.

Flying seems impossible, since I waited so late.

I imagine others will skip this year too.

But I had fun at Bellingham, Marquette and Essex Junction and Maine, and other 
odd places of previous conventions.

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Re: [Texascavers] Texas attendees to NSS Conv ?

[Bill Bentley]

I was gonna offer Locklear a ride...



On 6/6/2018 3:42 PM, Jim Kennedy wrote:

Aaaand, so begins the pool for what time Locklear will show up at the 
Convention, how long he will stay, and how many emails about what a bad 
decision it was. Any takers?

Mobile email from my iPhone


On Jun 6, 2018, at 12:43 PM, David  wrote:

 From David Locklear

I have not been able to give any thought to going to Montana in late July.

I have not recovered mentally from my road-trip fiasco to the last convention.  
I still owe over $ 10,000 for my new motor ( which I have already put 50,000 
plus miles on )

But I am at the point today, where I either need to start turning down work, so 
that I will be free the week of the convention,

or face my reality and just start taking on extra work.

It might as well be in Hawaii or Alaska or Taiwan or Puerto Rico or Guam, etc.

Driving my Sequoia there, especially alone, would be one of the stupidest thing 
I ever done, and that list is already longer than most people on Earth.

Flying seems impossible, since I waited so late.

I imagine others will skip this year too.

But I had fun at Bellingham, Marquette and Essex Junction and Maine, and other 
odd places of previous conventions.

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Re: [Texascavers] Check out this article on Candy's Dirt!

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Thanks John Locklear,
THAT WAS A COOL STORY.

On Sun, May 6, 2018, 1:32 PM John Brooks 
wrote:

> Really.this is semi-cave related.
>
> Check out this house:
>
> https://candysdirt.com/2018/05/02/chateau-des-grotteaux/
>
> This is very near my residence in Dallas. I have always been intrigued by
> the name of the house and also the garden grottoes for which the house is
> named. Something else piqued my interest - apparently there were at one
> time supposed to be some “tunnels” from this property over toward white
> rock lake which is nearby. What isn’t clear is whether these tunnels were
> natural or man-made. One can only assume that they were hand dug. One
> theory is that the tunnels were part of some sort of bootleg scheme.
> To add more intrigue - there are at least two house nearby with basements
> - and there have always been rumors that a bootlegger tunnel connected to
> these houses.and ran over toward the lake. One of the houses sits atop
> an Austin chalk bench adjacent to an old spring that came out at the base
> of the local Austin Chalk. The house near the spring has a “well” in the
> basement - which looked more like a large cistern to me. I was told that
> the cistern is spring fed and at one time that was the water supply for the
> house.
>
> Could there have been a cave that was modified by someone hiding something?
>
> In private discussion with the author of this article he referenced
> stories by the family that built this house. And the claims seem to be that
> the tunnels were at one time accessible from the gardens of this house.
>
> I doubt there is anything resembling a real cave in East Dallas - but
> there are some interesting rumors.
>
> John Brooks
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Re: [Texascavers] TexasCavers listserve

[Bill Bentley]

Here Here, I for one know exactly where you are coming from... I'll buy 
you a beer at Convention provided you go.


Bill


On 5/2/2018 9:15 AM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
This list has always been self moderated, at least in the 13 years 
I've run it, and probably before then, but I'm not 100% sure on that.


If someone gets out of line, send them a PRIVATE message. If a few 
people did that every time someone did get out of line, it would 
likely solve the problem.


We are up to 388 members on the list, there is no way in hell that 
everyone is going to get along, and while it would be nice that 
everyone acted like an adult, there is little chance that is going to 
happen as well.


Cavers are a stubborn bunch for the most part, it takes that 
stubbornish attitude to keep digging in a cave that you feel a slight 
bit of air in, or hope that it's about to expand and go another 10 
feet or 100 miles.


Here is a little fact, 1 out of 10 people who say that they are going 
to quit, actually do.  Most just start lurking or stop reading it, but 
do not actually quit the mailing list.  I know, because I get an email 
every time someone quits, and to join, I have to approve (to prevent 
spam bots).


We get about 10 - 20 requests a day to join the list from spam bots, 
most of them are obvious and I delete. Occasionally someone has an 
email address that is iffy and I have to email them to see if a human 
responds.


We also get a couple of hundred emails a day of spammers just trying 
to send junk mail to the list, these are blocked since they are not 
members, and since I get notifications on this, I have to filter 
through and delete.  There is about .1% one of these emails are legit, 
a caver forgets and sends an email to the list serve from another of 
their email addresses.  Sometimes I catch these and allow it to go 
through, most of the time I don't, but I do try.


Please keep in mind, everyone has an opinion, no one opinion is right, 
and while you don't agree with your fellow caver about their opinion, 
it's their right to say it.  You do NOT have to listen to it, and in 
this context, that's what the delete is for.  It's also your right to 
quit the list, or just setup a rule in your email to delete an email 
if it comes from a particular person.


In my mind, moderation is akin to censorship, and yes, that's a very 
loose interpretation, but it's not something I'm willing to do, as 
long as everyone is civil.  We have 4 simple rules : 
http://texascavers.com/rules.html Civil discourse is the key here.  
Unless it gets unruly, I'm not going to do anything but eat my popcorn 
and watch.  I've only had to remove 1 person in 13 years.


On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 10:10 AM Carl Kunath 
<carl.kun...@suddenlink.net <mailto:carl.kun...@suddenlink.net>> wrote:


I'll echo these recent comments about Don Arburn.  His service to
the Texas
caving community has been exceptional.  Thanks Don!

On another subject:
The deterioration of the TexasCavers listserve is quite amazing. 
The fact
that it is not moderated has been seen by a small number of users
as an
opportunity to subvert it to a personal blog by a few who have
lost sight of
the stated purpose (or choose to ignore) and feel that "anything
goes."  It
is ironic that this condition drives away the very people it was
meant to
serve.  Cavers are a tolerant group but individuals do have their
patience
limits.  With increasing frequency we see "goodbye, I've had enough"
postings from longtime supporters of Texas caving.

A previous attempt to create an "off topic" group was a failure
because the
abusers of the main list failed to acquire a large enough
readership to
satisfy their needs for attention.  Subtle (and not so subtle)
requests to
"take it off-line and/or use personal messages"  have been ignored.

Because Texas cavers have no reliable newsletter, if TexasCavers
listserve
fails to serve its purpose, what are we to do?  I don't have a
good answer.
I can't blame Charles Goldsmith for wisely choosing not to
moderate the
list.  Who would like that job?  Perhaps we need an "ON-TOPIC"
listserve
with  a "three strikes and you're out" policy.

I'm hanging in there but it's requiring an increasing effort and
my delete
key is looking quite worn.

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Re: [Texascavers] Caves near Van Horn ?

[Bill Bentley]

Near Cave Peak and or the 10,000 year clock.

On Sun, Apr 29, 2018, 2:03 PM David  wrote:

> In this morning's landing video of the Blue Origin capsule, there is a
> large rock shelter in the video
> to the left of the capsule in the face of the cliff about 30 seconds
> before it lands.
>
> Is that a cave ?
>
> Does the feature have a name ?
>
> Surely it is mentioned in the Caves of Culberson County.Right ??
>
> Approximate coordinates of rock shelter ( within 20 miles )
>
>31.425144, -104.892122
>
>
> That was such an awesome launch. Had I known about the launch a week
> ago, I would
> have made a bigger effort to go to Carlsbad, and then swing by the launch
> to view it.
>
> I am definitely going to add that to my bucket list for 2019.
>
> It was a bummer not being able to go to Carlsbad. I had a ride offer
> part of the way.
> But I just had to stay closer to home this weekend. I should finally
> have some work
> next week, and eventually some pocket change.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Spring Convention

[Bill Bentley]

Next year get with the SWR and schedule for different weekends. Otherwise
I'll  go, but rotate every other year.
Bill

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018, 7:51 AM Charles Loving  wrote:

> Well, duh! I was planning to go and bring my donation stuff but somehow I
> just didn't know it was Saturday? Being retired these days just run
> together. Someone has to Hit me over the head and say. "HEY FOOL1"
>
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 7:11 AM, Denise P  wrote:
>
>> Wow that was a fun convention! Special thanks to Amy for organizing the
>> event. I know it must be lots of hard work, and it turned out so well.
>>
>> TCMA had a great auction raising close to $6000 due to the generous
>> support of our caving family! That total includes the silent auction and a
>> portion which will go to the TSC. Special thanks to Lindsey for heading it
>> and our super MC Ken Demarest and fab fembats Kara Savvas and Ann Scott,
>> they were both entertaining and effective!
>>
>> Breakfast raised about $270. Shout out to volunteers Cami Jones, Matt
>> Zapp, Pam Campbell, Ellie Watson, Greg Mossier, and Rebecca Pokluda! And
>> all the other volunteers who worked so hard to make this event happen!
>>
>> Love,
>> Denise
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[Texascavers] Barry Hayes

[Bill Bentley]

A sad day for the Permian Basin Speleological Society, a past President 
and the lifeblood for the Grotto for a lot of years. Even though you 
haven't been active in a while, you will be missed Barry Hayes.


We are diminished.

https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/odessa-tx/barry-hayes-7780826

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Re: [Texascavers] 2018 TCMA Board of Directors election

[Bill Bentley via Texascavers]

 Invalid Access Key

This ballot doesn't seem to exist. Please contact your election 
administrator.



On 11/10/2017 8:34 PM, Gregg Williams via Texascavers wrote:


The elections for the 2018 Board of Directors will be taking place 
starting at midnight tonight. Check your email for your chance to 
weigh in.


Since they were delayed a little by some technical difficulties voting 
will be available until December 1st. Please see our website for the 
candidate bios and everything else important going on in the TCMA


https://www.tcmacaves.org/



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Re: [Texascavers] Name that Cave

[Bill Bentley via Texascavers]

I thought giving out cave locations was the ultimate taboo?


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: David via Texascavers 
 Date: 10/21/17  6:26 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: CaveTex 
 Cc: David  Subject: 
[Texascavers] Name that Cave 
Who can tell us about this once popular cave ?

Dropped Pin

https://goo.gl/maps/xzjTddAKpZ72
If you zoom in all the way you can see the chain-link fence around the cave.
Does the BCCP still have a key and grant access ?



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Re: [Texascavers] Bexar Grotto is the center of the caving universe and here's proof...

[Bill Bentley via Texascavers]

Yes I agree, and the PBSS is slowly fading away... slowly


On 8/29/2017 3:46 PM, Bennett Lee via Texascavers wrote:


I just wanted to point out that Texas has eight separate Grottos, and 
that the leaders of all the major *Texas, national,* and 
*international* cave organizations are *all Bexar Grotto members.*


  * /International Union of Speleology (UIS)
/President: George Veni, Bexar Grotto

  * /National Speleological Society (NSS)
/President: Geary Schindel, Bexar Grotto

  * /National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI)
/Executive Director: George Veni, Bexar Grotto

  * /Texas Speleological Association (TSA)
/Chairman: Rob Bisset, Bexar Grotto

  * /Texas Speleological Survey (TSS)
/President: Joe Mitchell, Bexar Grotto

  * /Texas Cave Management Association (TCMA)
/President: Gregg Williams, Bexar Grotto

I HEREBY DECLARE THE BEXAR GROTTO AS THE CENTER OF THE CAVING 
UNIVERSE. BEXAR GROTTO ROCKS.


--Bennett



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Re: [Texascavers] Anyone know where caver Dale Ellison is living :

[Bill Bentley via Texascavers]

http://www.cemetery-repair.com/ <http://www.cemetery-repair.com/>

http://facebook.com/CemeteryDale <https://www.facebook.com/CemeteryDale>


   CELL PHONE 682.248.7311


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On 8/27/2017 1:36 AM, Jerry via Texascavers wrote:

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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] 12 miles in USA Today

[Bill Bentley via Texascavers]

37 years of caving is limited experience... Geez.

Maybe that was why I was denied entry into Lech too because of my 
limited experience...


I was told I had to volunteer to work and do my part to go there several 
years ago... I have yet to be notified that I could participate even in 
a mule fashion of assistance.


My perception hasn't changed one bit.

As far as Whitenose... Did anyone even listen to Dr. Tuttle at the 
Convention? The country's foremost and knowledgeable person said there 
isn't much anyone can do except let it run it's course. Yet things have 
not changed and caves still remain closed or limited.


Bill



On 7/11/2017 9:13 PM, Steve Peerman wrote:

Bill,
I would be remiss in my job as Project Director if I didn’t respond. 
 I agree that this is an unfortunate perception of the FSCSP. 
 However, we work very hard to be as inclusive as possible.  The 
perception of privilege and exclusivity is, for the most part, a 
consequence of the severe limitations on entries imposed by the BLM. 
The management plan for Fort Stanton Cave calls for as many as two 
trips per day with as many as 10 cavers per trip.  That plan has been 
superseded for the last several seasons, in response of the perceived 
threat of WNS, with an annual limit of 120 entries into the cave. 
 That is supposed to accommodate all research, exploration and 
administrative entries for the season, from April 15 through October 31.
Because of this severe limitation, every entry into the cave is 
valuable and we have to make sure that we make good use of each entry. 
It makes it difficult for someone of limited experience to be placed 
on a trip, but it does happen.  We encourage trip leaders to be 
inclusive, and in the last couple of years, where more activities were 
focused on the historical part of the cave because of flooding in 
Snowy River, several new cavers and cavers new to Fort Stanton Cave 
got an opportunity to participate.



On Jul 11, 2017, at 7:42 PM, Bill Bentley <ca...@mygrande.net 
<mailto:ca...@mygrande.net>> wrote:


Only a few privileged established cavers...


On 7/11/2017 7:10 PM, Dwight wrote:
New Mexico's Lincoln County, Snowy River and Fort Stanton Cave make 
headlines in USA TODAY!


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/local/2017/07/05/snowy-river-book-sold-fort-stanton-live/453916001/

Will this bring us some new NSS members?

This news release does refer interested individuals to the Fort 
Stanton Cave Study Project web site, but that is clearly written for 
established cavers.  It gives the dates for the upcoming project 
schedule.


Your web site is wonderful, conveys the right message, and is very 
educational. You list a series of requirements for participation in 
work trips and then say:


---

The FSCSP is unable to accommodate persons not possessing all of the 
above skills, attitudes and equipment during project events in 
caves. However you are welcome to join us in surface events where we 
perform other work including ridge-walking and various scientific 
activities such as geophysical surveys during regular or special 
expeditions.


Fort Stanton Cave is a publicly-owned resource and sections of the 
cave have been available in the past for recreational trips under a 
permit system from April 15 through October 31. Although the cave is 
currently closed to the general public because of White Nose 
Syndrome requirements, in the future interested persons may contact 
the BLM 
<http://www.blm.gov/nm/st/en/prog/recreation/roswell/fort_stanton_nca.html> 
for information concerning application 
<http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/nm/programs/recreation/rec_docs.Par.35039.File.dat/Cave_Application.pdf> 
for a public entrance permit, or directly at the Roswell BLM 
office,. In addition to the SWR <http://www.caves.org/region/swr/>, 
the BLM also may be able to provide contact information for caving 
clubs where appropriate experience may be gained to enable future 
participation in FSCSP projects.


---

How do you plan to respond to inquiries from non-cavers in light of 
this discussion of getting new NSS members? It does not seem very  
welcoming but clearly this is something that needs to be dealt with 
on an individual basis.  The implication is that you will refer them 
to a local grotto. It's not clear what the SWR is, but you can find 
out by clicking on the link.


It will be interesting to see how many inquiries the FSCSP and the 
BLM get from non-cavers and cavers who are not NSS members.  I would 
say that this is both an opportunity and a worth-while experiment.  
Keep us posted!


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Re: [Texascavers] History of Comanche Springs

[Bill Bentley caver--- via Texascavers]

George... Mary Kay Shannon comes to mind... Bill 


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 Original message 
From: George Veni via Texascavers  
Date: 6/7/17  2:43 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: Texas Cavers  
Cc: George Veni  
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] History of Comanche Springs 



The first part of this message may only be useful peripherally. The last part 
will be directly useful to you and perhaps may other Texas cavers.



About 25 years ago the manager of the Annie Riggs Museum in Fort Stockton was 
quite knowledgeable about the spring. I'm drawing a blank on her name but she 
is no longer there as I understand. However, the museum may have information 
about the spring. Also,
 it is not unusual for some old-timer to serve the unofficial role of city 
historian in small towns. If Fort Stockton has one, the museum staff would know 
who it is. 



There is a short write-up in The Caves and Karst of Texas that describes the 
cave which underlies the spring, in case you haven't already seen it. 



Lastly, TSS has a bibliographic database called TexBib that anyone can download 
from the TSS website. You can then search on "Comanche Spring" and you'll get a 
list of all publications TSS knows about that mention the spring (or any cave, 
spring, author,
 topic, etc. involving Texas).



George 










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National Cave and Karst Research Institute 
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Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
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www.nckri.org 





 Original message 

From: Andrea Croskrey via Texascavers  

Date: 6/7/17 1:10 PM (GMT-07:00) 

To: Texas Cavers  

Cc: Andrea Croskrey  

Subject: [Texascavers] History of Comanche Springs 





Howdy Texas Cavers,



My coworker is having a summer intern write a Technical Note on the history of 
Comanche Springs. She's placed a call out for all articles related to Comanche 
Springs and thought I should ask the caving community to contribute. Email me 
at andrea.crosk...@twdb.texas.gov
 if you have or know of material that could help her write the report. Also, 
I'll let you know when the report is done and how to get a copy.



Cavingly,

Andrea



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Re: [Texascavers] History of Comanche Springs

[Bill Bentley via Texascavers]

"Portraits of the Pecos Frontier" by Patrick Dearen. He can be reached at 
patrickdea...@msn.com I was in the cave there a lot back in 1983... Gary 
Franklin has been in there a bunch too... as well as others... 


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 Original message From: Andrea Croskrey via Texascavers 
 Date: 6/7/17  2:10 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Texas 
Cavers  Cc: Andrea Croskrey  
Subject: [Texascavers] History of Comanche Springs 
Howdy Texas Cavers,

My coworker is having a summer intern write a Technical Note on the history of 
Comanche Springs. She's placed a call out for all articles related to Comanche 
Springs and thought I should ask the caving community to contribute. Email me 
at ifandrea.crosk...@twdb.texas.gov  you have or know of material that could 
help her write the report. Also, I'll let you know when the report is done and 
how to get a copy.

Cavingly,
Andrea

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Re: [Texascavers] FW: Two weeks left to submit your photos to the NSS Photo Salon

[Bill Bentley]

Geary,

 For the first time in 37 years of going caving and taking pictures 
(Non professional),  I submitted some digital images. I doubt they will 
even make the cutting room floor.


Bill


On 4/3/2017 8:19 AM, Geary Schindel wrote:

Folks,

Since the convention is being held in the southwest this year, it would be nice 
to see some photographers from the Texas area enter some of their material to 
the NSS Photo salons. You don’t have to be at the convention to enter.

Alan Cobb, Travis Scott, Mike Harris, Jean Krejca, Ron Rutherford, Chris 
Veirland, and Bennett Lee come to mind. I’m sure there are many others.

Geary


From: Dean Wiseman [mailto:jazzpi...@mohodisco.com]
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 8:07 AM
To: varlis...@vt.edu
Subject: Two weeks left to submit your photos to the NSS Photo Salon

Hi everyone,

Do you have a great shot you took, and always wanted to present it?

Why not now?   We'd love to see your work!  There are two more weeks to submit 
your photos to the NSS Photo Salon... and we always love to see folks step up.

https://caves.org/committee/salons/Slide.shtml


Any questions?  Drop me a line...


Thanks!

-Dean
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[Texascavers] Andy Kominsky

[Bill Bentley]

Copied from Facebook

It is with a heavy heart that I share that my dad, Andy Komensky 
<https://www.facebook.com/andy.komensky>, died unexpectedly this 
afternoon in St Louis. In true Komensky form, he and Maureen had just 
arrived at the Casino for a few hours of diversion. Maureen said that 
dad probably didn't have any forewarning and that he did not suffer.


I am grateful to Maureen - more than words can possibly say. Maureen 
helped my dad live the fullest possible life.


I will post more information as we know it. If you have particular 
questions, please reach out to me or Susan Komensky-Hamilton 
<https://www.facebook.com/susan.komenskyhamilton> directly. I think 
Maureen knows how to get into Dad's Facebook Account so you can also 
leave a message for Maureen on Facebook too.


Dad would want no goddamn sadness... everyone go grab your favorite beer 
and have a toast to the Mad Russian of New Mexico!


I don't know any other way to contact his Duryea, Pennsylvania/Carlsbad, 
New Mexico/Spelunker/National Park Service/Geological Society friends 
and acquaintances except via Facebook.


As Carl Kunath wold say "We are diminished."


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Re: [Texascavers] Mailing list issues

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Luck you...

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[Texascavers] Fwd: Fwd: Call for papers C section NSS

[Bill Bentley]

 Original Message 
From:SAMUEL L ROWE
Sent:Fri, 24 Feb 2017 10:31:39 -0600
To:kg...@arrl.net
Subject:Call for papers C section NSS

This is a call for papers for the Communication & Electronic Section 
meeting at the 2017 NSS Convention in Rio Rancho, NM.


If you want to make a presentation at the 2017 NSS Convention and have 
it listed in the program, you need to compose an abstract no longer than 
250 words explaining your paper. Please send your abstract and paper 
title to:


Brian Pease, C Secretary < bpea...@myfairpoint.net >
or
Sam Rowe, C Chair < slr...@wisc.edu >

Like last year, if presenters provide the media from their 
presentations, we will publish it in the Presentations section of our 
website.


73 & think mud
Sam Rowe, KG9NG NSS 7839
Chair C Section

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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR Food]

[Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net via Texascavers]

Joe and Don,       PBSS at best might have 3 people attend TCR  and more than 
likely will be just me. I am not cooking for our entire grotto. I suppose I 
could help another grotto or just bring my own food. I like the idea,  but the 
PBSS  don't have hundreds of members and even less who would show up... Bill


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 Original message 
From: Joe Ranzau via Texascavers  
Date: 2/10/17  2:44 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: Cavers Texas  
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [TCR Food] 

Repost of my comments for those among us not on BookFace.

A)
 Fending for ourselves disrupts the communal nature of the Saturday 
evening meal.  If we end up going this route it would be important to 
continue with Saturday evening activities that encourage everyone to 
come together.

B) Catering will drive up the cost 
and limit the meal options.  There really is a limit to the amount of 
fajitas or mediocre BBQ we should be forced to eat.

C)
 Folks stepping forward.  This is a challenge as we can clearly see the 
job is pretty thankless.  "You didn't cook polecat three ways this year,
 how the hell do you expect me to eat?!?"  Most of us no longer cook for
 the masses either.  Watching new folks struggle to tackle the TCMA breakfast 
every 
few years is always a hoot and it's on a much smaller scale.

Alternative
 option ) Grotto cook-off - Create competition amongst the grotto's and 
tie it into the theme.  Have the parade start a little later and 
everyone can tour the camp dining at the different offerings or it could
 all be brought to a central location.  This helps share the load and 
teach folks to cook on a larger scale before having to tackle the big 
feed themselves.

Ranzau

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
 wrote:
Currently TCR doesn't have a head cook, or menu. There have been complaints, 
rumors and talk about this subject. It seems there are three options: (a) fend 
for yourselves, (b) caterer, (c) volunteers come forward to cook.
Each has its benefit and drawbacks. I need to get a feel for options.


Discuss:

--Tex Caver


--Don
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Re: [Texascavers] TSA - CBSP December Project Weekend

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From: via Texascavers  
Date: 12/7/16  10:09 AM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA - CBSP December Project Weekend 




The interesting thing is that Bitey McFangface looks more like an Eastern 
rather than western buzzworm?
 
Sleazeweazel
 

 
Eastern buzzworm I found a few daze ago here in Fladedah
 

In a message dated 12/7/2016 10:44:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
texascavers@texascavers.com writes:
If I had 
  to vote, Bitey McFangface would be my favorite name for a thrash metal group. 
  

  Diana
  

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  and Biochemistry
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(214) 
  645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax) 

  
  On Dec 6, 2016, at 9:31 PM, texascavers@texascavers.com 
  wrote:

  
  
  
  
  Joe Noshoulders
  

  Cascavel
  

  Danger Noperope
  

  Bitey McFangface



  --Don
  

  



  --DonOn Dec 6, 2016, at 9:10 PM, Leslie Bell via Texascavers 
   
  wrote:


  


For those of you who speak Latin, 
it's called Crotalus atrox
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[Texascavers] Fwd: Fwd: [SWR CAVERS] Fw: [NM-ARCH-L] Important Cave Finds in Chihuahua

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 Forwarded Message 
Subject:[SWR CAVERS] Fw: [NM-ARCH-L] Important Cave Finds in Chihuahua
Date:   Fri, 28 Oct 2016 16:10:42 -0600
From:   Lynda A. Sanchez 
To: 	'Jerry' via Southwestern Cavers of the National Speleological 
Society 




fyi, las

-Original Message-
From: MICHAEL RUGGERI
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 2:22 PM
To:nm-arc...@list.unm.edu
Subject: [NM-ARCH-L] Important Cave Finds in Chihuahua

[This is a nm-arch-l posting. Do not simply "reply" to sender.]

October 28, 2016

Important Cave Finds in Chihuahua

INAH Archaeologists in Chihuahua have investigated a cave where an infant
skeleton, the lower half of a man whose ankles were tied, and the remains of
a scarlet macaw along with points, textiles, a sea shell, a bag of deer
skin. The remains were naturally mummified by the dry desert air. The finds
possibly date to 2000 years ago. The site is 250 miles from Paquime, which
was a trading hub between Mesoamerica and the Ancestral Puebloans. The finds
suggest the site pre-dates Paquime, which was founded around 1,300 years
ago. The discovery of a scarlet macaw that pre-dates Paquime may show that
long distance trade in exotic goods predate Paquime.

Western Digs has the report here;
http://westerndigs.org/mummified-bird-baby-found-in-cave-shed-light-on-earliest-desert-farmers/


Mike Ruggeri’s Aztlan World
http://mikeruggerisaztlanworld.tumblr.com

Mike Ruggeri's Casas Grandes World Magazine
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Re: [Texascavers] Tcma elections

[Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net via Texascavers]

Call me 432-438-5076 on my cellThanks, Bill bentleyca...@caver.net 


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From: "Galen P. Falgout via Texascavers"  
Date: 10/3/16  10:17 AM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Subject: [Texascavers] Tcma elections 



I need more nominations


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[Texascavers] Work Weekend at AMC

[Bill Bentley via Texascavers]

I am looking for volunteers for this coming weekend (9-24 and 25-2016) 
to help clear the road at the Amazing Maze Cave.


I plan to arrive around noon or so on Saturday and we can work on the 
road until dark or until we are exhausted. We are camping Saturday night 
and will finish up on Sunday.


You must be a TCMA member to help out.

Bring tree saws, choppers, cutters and tools to remove mesquite mostly 
and some cactus.


Contact me via email if you can help out.
No trips into the cave are planned.

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Re: [Texascavers] [Texas Cavers Reunion Help]

[Bill Bentley via Texascavers]

•TP Patrol, an easy job of keeping tabs on the bathrooms and toilet paper.

Put me down for this, it's a shitty job, but I am qualified and been spreading 
it around for years, so maybe time to clean it up!
LOL

Bill


On 8/23/2016 4:48 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers wrote:

51 Days Left!!

Bring this up at your grotto meetings!!

TCR needs confirmations for the following volunteers:

•Dish washers: Sheryl, Dale (2 more!)

•Firewood gathering, work to be done at the park soon!!! Contact me.

•Door Prize Vixens to give out prizes!

•TP Patrol, an easy job of keeping tabs on the bathrooms and toilet paper.

•Registration Nation: Kris, Lizette, Jake (need a couple more)

•Shiner Retrievers, WHO DOESN'T WANT FREE BEER!?

•Ropes Popes, rope climbing organizers and belayers

•Survey Squad, organizers

•SpeleOlympic Wranglers, organizers

•Sleeping Bag Clothes Change Contest Crew (contest resurgence) organizers

•Recyclers are Stefan & Dale! (These guys are badass!)

•Hot Tub Team, folks who can help put the tub and sauna together.

•Mud wrestler pit builders Galen (a couple more helpers & a referee)

•Someone to make some awards!

•Minion(s) enthusiast to help me

PLEASE? Bring this up at your grotto meetings!! These are short term fairly 
easy things, they aren't going to take up much time and EVERYONE will be 
grateful.
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Re: [Texascavers] sort-of NSS related

[Bill Bentley - ca...@caver.net via Texascavers]

I would say not having a Walmart would be a good thing.  I am now something 
like 4 years of being completly Walmart Free!Bill bentleyca...@caver.net


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From: Stefan Creaser via Texascavers  
Date: 7/26/16  11:00 AM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] sort-of NSS related 



Love this line, David, as a measure of how remote somewhere is:
 
Ely is a remote place.    The nearest Walmart Store was a 3 hour drive
 
PS. I’ll donate to your gas fund, if you tell me where to mail a check…
 
Stefan Creaser
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Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
Email:
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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com]
On Behalf Of David via Texascavers

Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 7:11 PM

To: texascavers@texascavers.com

Subject: [Texascavers] sort-of NSS related
 
I imagine by now, Monday evening, that the attendees to the 2016 NSS Convention 
are either safely home or back to work, or at their post-convention destination.
For me personally, getting back to work in the real world was both physically 
and mentally challenging.   I had symptoms similar to Regret Sex.   Meaning, I 
enjoyed it, but regret doing it.    Had I accepted some cavers offers to stay 
home for financial
 gain, I would have not missed work and could have easily relaxed by the pool.
I am almost caught up at work with the task that I postponed.   Everything 
would be fine now, if my customers were not such a**holes,  ( I have lost all 
respect for attorneys ).   All I have left to do is tedious bull-collecting, 
meaning I finished all the
 deliveries that I postponed.    That was mostly luck.
When I was leaving Houston for the trip 10 days ago, I was optimistic that I 
would either pick up a caver along the way, or a Craigslist rideshare-rider.   
I even tried to get cavers flying into Phoenix and Vegas to ride with me.   And 
even nudged one caver
 to drop work and to fly out to Vegas.
But that was all wasted effort.
I have rested up now, and I should be back to my normal grumpy self tomorrow.
It sounds like the convention was a success.    I would have never believed 
1,000 cavers would show up in Ely.    Ely is a remote place.    The nearest 
Walmart Store was a 3 hour drive.
I could have easily spent a week in Ely in April or September.    But not sure 
if I would want to live there.   I think it would have been like living in 
Alpine, Texas, as far as being far from things.    However, there was really 
cool stuff within a 6 hour
 drive.   I have no idea what life in Ely would be like in the peak of winter, 
but I can only guess that it is harsh.
See you all in Rio Rancho in 2017.    I hope I can fly to that, but will most 
likely wait till the last minute and drive again.
I encourage young cavers to attend next year's convention.   It is inspiring to 
meet like-minded people who love caves, and the maps are so cool and the photos 
and artwork are interesting.    And there are usually unique opportunities to 
go caving.
David Locklear

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Re: [Texascavers] Road-trip ??

[Bill Bentley - ca...@caver.net via Texascavers]

I'm standing here with Frank Benny and he pledges $10 for David trip. And $20 
if he actually shows up!Bill bentleyca...@caver.net 


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 Original message 
From: Jim Kennedy via Texascavers  
Date: 7/15/16  10:09 AM  (GMT-08:00) 
To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Road-trip ?? 

David, I will personally pledge $25 if you realize this is a senseless, 
foolhardy adventure and just stay home. 
Jim Kennedy

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On Jul 15, 2016, at 9:43 AM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers 
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David,
 
I’m willing to pledge $20 to help with your travel expenses to have you attend 
the Howdy Party at the NSS Convention. I’ll also buy you a beer at the party 
(food and beer are
 part of registration for the event). I figure it is worth the money to read 
you posts related to your travel to Nevada. You know that gambling and 
prostitution are legal in Nevada.  
 
Maybe we should treat this like a Texas Caver crowd source funding and if other 
chipped in some bucks, we might be able to help with a significant cost for 
your trip. Some
 folks may be interested in chipping in just to get you out of Texas for a 
while  LOL.
 
Geary
 
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On Behalf Of David via Texascavers

Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 11:25 AM

To: texascavers@texascavers.com

Subject: [Texascavers] Road-trip ??
 
There is a 4 % chance I am leaving Houston tonight ( Friday ) and driving to 
Vegas in my new 2008 Sequoia SUV.
I am tentatively offering a one-way ride to Vegas as I pass thru Austin or San 
Antonio.   I have room for 3 people.
Waiting on my jerk customers to pay me, before I can commit.
Not planning on making it to Ely unless stars suddenly line up in a divine 
miraculous way, meaning 3 supernovas would have to suddenly appear forming a 
perfect Equilateral Triangle bright above the western horizon.
David Locklear

281-995-8487 ( text-line ) 



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Re: [Texascavers] 1966 NSS Convention Photos

[Bill Bentley - ca...@caver.net via Texascavers]

I was 6 years old!


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From: Diana Tomchick via Texascavers  
Date: 7/11/16  4:15 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: Cave Tex  
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 1966 NSS Convention Photos 

The guy in the striped shirt looks like Roger Brucker.

Diana

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> On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:55 PM, TexasCavers  wrote:
>
> In 1966 --- 50 years ago this month --- the NSS convened at Sequoia National 
> Park, California.
> It was the 25th Anniversary of the NSS and it was a little bit special in 
> that regard.
> Bill Stevenson was there and drew special attention throughout the week.
> The attendance from Texas was very small.  There were 10-12 from Austin and 
> other than Glenda and me, no others from Texas that I recall.
>
> This may have been the first time there was a “Groad Hollow” a the NSS 
> Convention, albeit unofficial at that time.
> Terry Raines and FuFu made the trip with a camper full from Austin.  I’m not 
> sure who the sleeping cavers are, but I do note that there
> are no tents and, with one exception, no air mattresses or sleeping pads.  
> Cavers were extra tough in those days.  Note there are three VW camper
> vans in this single picture.  The pickup with a camper might be Kenny 
> Laidlaw.  Bill Bell made the trip with a packed cargo of cavers in his almost
> new Land Rover.  A journey they all remember.  Terry, Bill, and others may 
> comment further.
> <1966%20NSS%20Convention-FuFu%20in%20Groad%20Hollow%20(Medium)[3].jpg>
>
> Here’s another, somewhat more luxurious caver camp.  Do current cavers still 
> know about hodags?
> <1966%20NSS%20Convention-Batmobile%20(Medium)[3].jpg>
>
> The convention setting was beautiful.  This is main meeting room for all 
> sessions.
> <1966%20NSS%20Convention-Meeting%20Room%20(Medium)[3].jpg>
>
> This is a scene  in front of the meeting room.  The little table is for pre 
> registration.
> I am tempted to identify the fellow in the striped shirt, and the guy behind 
> the ice chest.
> Perhaps others will chime in with identifications.  See anyone you recognize?
> <1966%20NSS%20Convention-Patio%20(Medium)[3].jpg>
>
> Inside the meeting room.  This may be during the Photo Salon.
> <1966%20NSS%20Convention-Photo%20Salon%20(Medium)[3].jpg>
>
> While we are looking at ancient speleo-history, I’ll toss in a couple from 
> the 1964 NSS Convention in New Braunfels.
>
> The main location was the National Guard Armory.  Small rooms around the edge 
> of the main space were used for
> exhibits and sessions.  The walls were festooned with photographs, assorted 
> artwork, and large cave maps.  It was
> the infancy of the Association for Mexican Cave Studies and there were many 
> maps of the early discoveries in Mexico.
> It was quite amusing to overhear people attempting to pronounce 
> Huitzmolotitla, Oztoatlicholoa, Juxtlahuaca, and Xilitla.
> <1964%20NSS%20Convention-Armory%20(Medium)[4].jpg>
>
> Finally, group photos are hard to come by.  I happened to be standing around 
> when the crowd was assembled for the
> 1964 Convention field trip to Caverns of Sonora.  There are only three or 
> four identifications I am reasonably certain of:
> Near the front center with cowboy hat and white shirt is Calvin Perryman (a 
> Dallas caver).  In the front row with cowboy
> hat and brown shirt is Fred Mason (the owner of Indian Creek Cave at that 
> time).  Also front row (right) wearing a brown
> helmet is M.D. Turner (Austin caver and still involved these days).  At far 
> right wearing a bright orange shirt is Bob Willis
> (New Mexicocaver who went on to achieve some prominence within the NSS).  Can 
> you identify any others?
>
> <1964%20NSS%20Convention-Sonora%20(Medium)[3].jpg>
>
> Carl Kunath
> NSS 6230 (PHFE)
> carl.kun...@suddenlink.net
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] cool NSS convention

[Bill Bentley - ca...@caver.net via Texascavers]

As I bake in the 101 degree temps of West Texas. THanks for the reminder.


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From: Mixon Bill via Texascavers  
Date: 7/10/16  5:58 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: Cavers Texas  
Subject: [Texascavers] cool NSS convention 

A reminder to Texas cavers attending the NSS convention in Ely, Nevada, who 
haven't read all the poop about the convention: The average nightly low 
temperature this time of year is 48°. Be prepared.
-- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!

[Bill Bentley - ca...@caver.net via Texascavers]

Yes take it over... LOL... been there done that... Thank you but no... I just 
delete.Bill bentleyca...@caver.net 


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From: Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers  
Date: 7/8/16  3:29 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: Cavetex  
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !! 

We have 4 rules: http://texascavers.com/rules.html
David hasn't broken any rules and no, he's older than me Bob.
I maintain the rules as list owner, that's it.  I've always stated that this 
list is self moderated.  If you don't like a post that someone has sent out, 
send them a private message if possible. 
If you don't like the list and how it's run, anyone is free to step up and take 
over, including hosting and paying.  Or, it's just easier to delete a message 
and go about enjoying your day.  Personally, that's what I do.
Charleslist ownerwo...@justfamily.org

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Julia Germany via Texascavers 
 wrote:
Hi Frank!



We don't want to lose a valuable, iconic Texas caver from this list. Or any 
other cavers. Some folks forget these posts are read by cavers who are not  
in/from Texas. And, who don't know David.



I have no doubt someone will point out that David's posts say "off-topic," 
"delete now if you don't want to read it."



However, I concur that this listserv has a clear intention of being used for 
the purpose of cave-related posts.



I know David L posts comments on the various Texas cave-related Face Book pages.



Perhaps the moderator of this listserv could politely suggest that David post 
any non-cave related information on these other sites.  And, perhaps, even 
politely let David know that he might be unsubscribed if he continues to 
improperly use this listserv.



julia







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> On Jul 8, 2016, at 13:30, Frank Binney via Texascavers 
>  wrote:

>

> Many, if not most of us, subscribe to CaveTex to keep up with caving and 
> caver-related news. A number of cavers I know have, unfortunately, 
> unsubscribed from the list because of the volume of off-topic spam from David 
> Locklear.

> I’m about to join them, as David’s recent return to the list has flooded my 
> inbox with list-inappropriate posts.

> Can those of you who like David please counsel him on list etiquette and 
> suggest more appropriate venues for his off-topic posts?

> Thanks,

> Frank Binney

> NSS 10816 Fellow

> i...@frankbinney.com

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Re: [Texascavers] Big Boy Medlin in Austin Sun

[Bill Bentley - ca...@caver.net via Texascavers]

Obviously another Bill BentleyNo relation either... 
Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net 


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From: Frank Binney via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> 
Date: 6/29/16  8:00 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: Texas Cavers <Texascavers@texascavers.com> 
Subject: [Texascavers] Big Boy Medlin in Austin Sun 

This is "caver culture” related:Back in the day, Austin cavers used to 
congregate for lunch at the “caver table” in the Chuckwagon snack bar in the UT 
Student Union. We were occasionally joined by some of Austin’s rising 
counterculture literati, including a very funny and talented Vietnam War vet 
named Big Boy Medlin. Big  would occasionally attend parties at the Kirkwood 
Kaver house and other 1970s caver hangouts along with his fellow contributors 
to our beloved bi-weekly hippie newspaper The Austin Sun, including Jeff 
Nightbyrd, Michael Eakin, Bill Bentley and David Moriarty.Big and many other 
Austin writers and film people of that period eventually emigrated to LA, where 
he helped launch  LA Weekly, co-wrote the screenplay for the movie “Roadie”, 
and became Head Writer at E! Entertainment Television.For today’s younger 
cavers, who missed the opportunity to enjoy Big’s writing in the long-gone 
print version of the Austin Sun, the publication has been re-launched this 
month as a website featuring contemporary contributions by Big, Bill Bentley, 
and Michael Ventura.Here’s the link:http://www.austinsun.us
As we used to say about new experiences to young caver wannabes at Kirkwood 
Kaver parties: “Try it! You’ll like it!”
—Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com


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Re: [Texascavers] to slow learner

[Bill Bentley via Texascavers]

That reason is why I am slowly shutting down my mailing lists. Spam 
Wins, I surrender...



Bill


On 5/25/2016 3:53 PM, Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers wrote:
Seems some clients don't show the email, some do, some show partials.  
It depends on how an email client sends the name of the person that is 
author.  Gmail seems to play nice for the most part, but even I don't 
see the names of some of the people.


As I stated before to everyone, this was forced upon us because of 
AOL, Yahoo, Outlook.com (Microsoft), etc and their anti-spam 
measures.  Those 4 kept marking the listserve email as spam and also 
automatically blocking the emails.  Plus, once they "blacklisted us", 
emails would bounce and the people who used those email addresses 
would get auto-unsubscribed from the list.


I know it's a pain about the lack of name for some people, but without 
moving the mailing list to another medium, there is just not an easy fix.


I've had 0 problems with those big 4 email providers since I changed 
the settings.  No one is getting auto-unsubscribed and I've had to 
deal with 0 spam issues.


If anyone has questions, complaints, comments, feel free to reply or 
send me a private message.


Charles, list serve owner and lurker
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On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com <mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:


But the e-mail address from which the post came is not displayed
when I read Texas Caver posts. Why did you think this was a
recurring complaint? -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] Fwd: Call for Presentations: US Exploration Session, 2016 NSS Convention in Ely, Nevada

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Subject: 	Call for Presentations: US Exploration Session, 2016 NSS 
Convention in Ely, Nevada

Date:   Tue, 12 Apr 2016 06:24:07 +
From:   Kambesis, Patricia 
To: 	ca...@caver.net , s...@caver.net , 
MoCaves , Cave Texas , 
Cave List , Sandia Grotto Cavers Mailing List 
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Call for Presentations:  US Exploration Session at the 2016 NSS Convention

Hey all:


This year is the 75^th Anniversary of the NSS and that event will be 
celebrated in Ely, Nevada during July 16-23, 2016.It is also a great 
opportunity to share with fellow cavers your cave discoveries, 
exploration stories and mapping exploits at the US Exploration Session. 
This is one of the Convention’s most popular and well-attended venues.



You don’t need to have made record-breaking discoveries to present – all 
exploration is good and can be effectively displayed with photos 
(salon-quality not necessary), any kind of maps, and some good stories.


Presentations are relatively painless – 15-20 minutes in length is 
typical though we can provide some 30-minute slots.Single or multiple 
presenters are welcome. Presentation format is open - powerpoint or 
other computer media, slides if that's all you got!, or just stand up 
and tell some good exploration stories!



For the program, please send an abstract (short summary of what your 
talk is about -250 words max) to Pat Kambesis, US Exploration Session 
Coordinator at pat.kambe...@wku.edu .   
Deadline is May 10, 2016.


Feel free to forward this message to other cavers!


See you in Ely, Nevada!

/
/Pat Kambesis
US Exploration Session Coordinator



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Re: [Texascavers] Bexar Grotto Holiday (Christmas/Hanukah/Kwanza/Ramadan) Party Announcement

[Bill Bentley via Texascavers]

They buy the Booze!

On 12/10/2015 3:14 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers wrote:


Are atheists and agnostics allowed too?

-Stefan

*From:*Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Geary Schindel via Texascavers

*Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2015 3:08 PM
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*Subject:* [Texascavers] Bexar Grotto Holiday 
(Christmas/Hanukah/Kwanza/Ramadan) Party Announcement


Folks,

This is a reminder of the Bexar Grotto Holiday 
(Christmas/Hanukah/Kwanza/Ramadan) Party is scheduled for *Saturday, 
December 12 (2015) starting at 6 pm* at Geary and Sue Schindel’s house 
at 11310 Whisper Dawn, San Antonio, Texas 78230. (That is this weekend 
for the calendar challenged)


Thanks, and hope to see you there.

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Re: [Texascavers] Bexar Grotto Holiday (Christmas/Hanukah/Kwanza/Ramadan) Party Announcement

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On 12/10/2015 3:14 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers wrote:


Are atheists and agnostics allowed too?

-Stefan

*From:*Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Geary Schindel via Texascavers

*Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2015 3:08 PM
*To:* bexargro...@googlegroups.com; 'texascavers@texascavers.com'
*Subject:* [Texascavers] Bexar Grotto Holiday 
(Christmas/Hanukah/Kwanza/Ramadan) Party Announcement


Folks,

This is a reminder of the Bexar Grotto Holiday 
(Christmas/Hanukah/Kwanza/Ramadan) Party is scheduled for *Saturday, 
December 12 (2015) starting at 6 pm* at Geary and Sue Schindel’s house 
at 11310 Whisper Dawn, San Antonio, Texas 78230. (That is this weekend 
for the calendar challenged)


Thanks, and hope to see you there.

Geary Schindel

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[Texascavers] Fwd: NSS Conservation Network - Friends of Mammoth Cave Initiate Crystal Cave Restoration Crowdfunding

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Subject: 	NSS Conservation Network - Friends of Mammoth Cave Initiate 
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Date:   Mon, 12 Oct 2015 09:24:15 -0600
From:   Steve Smith 
To: stevenlsm...@usa.net



Howdy Cavers!

Here's a conservation project you may want to support:

'The Friends of Mammoth Cave' are asking for assistance in their special
restoration efforts within historic Floyd Collins Crystal Cave.  Check out the
Indiegogo Crowdfunding Campaign the 'Friends' group has initiated, along with
a story describing how Jim and Val Werker are assisting in ongoing speleothem
repair efforts in this famous Kentucky cave.

Check it out at:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/crystal-cave-restoration#/
  
Please share this with your contacts!


Thanks!

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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR][2015]

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Re: [Texascavers] TSA Photo Salon

[Bill Bentley via Texascavers]

what is your email address?


On 4/23/2015 9:57 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers wrote:

Get me your photo submissions!

If you have digital photo submissions, NOW IS THE TIME, to send them.

I have none so far, which means I will submit my own AND WIN. You don't want 
that, do you?

Remember, Kayla Mitchell, won the map salon a couple years back with a crayon 
on laser paper because no one could represent...


--Don
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Re: [Texascavers] Map Salon at TSA Spring Convention, April 25th

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It will be late I am sure they will be closed around midnight...
On Apr 20, 2015 10:10 AM, Roger Moore (cavera...@aol.com) via Texascavers
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 Yes, Tom Summers says that early camping arrivals (before CWAN closing
 time) on Thursday are fine. Arrive early and get a choice spot!

 Roger G. Moore


 -Original Message-
 From: Bill Bentley via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
 To: CaveTex texascavers@texascavers.com
 Sent: Mon, Apr 20, 2015 9:16 am
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Map Salon at TSA Spring Convention, April 25th

  Can we arrive early on Thursday night?
  On Apr 20, 2015 9:14 AM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

Cavers,

 I will be chairing the Map Salon for the TSA Spring Convention on April
 25th at Cave Without A Name in Boerne, TX.

 Please prepare your maps that have been created in the last year. Cash
 prizes for the winners!

 Check out the rules at http://cavetexas.org/events/mapsalon.html. Entry
 forms will be available at convention.

 Hard copies of all maps must be submitted to me, Ellie Falgout, by 10:00
 a.m on Saturday, April 25th. I plan to set up the salon in the cave so that
 I can still attend presentations.

  Categories:

- Caves under 100 m
 - Caves over 100 m
 - First-time Cartographer.

 Judging Criteria: http://cavetexas.org/PDF/map2007judging.pdf

  I also need judges for the salons, please let me know if you are willing
 to assist.

 See you soon,

  Ellie Falgout
 509-899-0007
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Re: [Texascavers] Map Salon at TSA Spring Convention, April 25th

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Can we arrive early on Thursday night?
On Apr 20, 2015 9:14 AM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 Cavers,

 I will be chairing the Map Salon for the TSA Spring Convention on April
 25th at Cave Without A Name in Boerne, TX.

 Please prepare your maps that have been created in the last year. Cash
 prizes for the winners!

 Check out the rules at http://cavetexas.org/events/mapsalon.html. Entry
 forms will be available at convention.

 Hard copies of all maps must be submitted to me, Ellie Falgout, by 10:00
 a.m on Saturday, April 25th. I plan to set up the salon in the cave so that
 I can still attend presentations.

 Categories:

-

Caves under 100 m
-

Caves over 100 m
-

First-time Cartographer.

 Judging Criteria: http://cavetexas.org/PDF/map2007judging.pdf

 I also need judges for the salons, please let me know if you are willing
 to assist.

 See you soon,

 Ellie Falgout
 509-899-0007
 ellie.tho...@gmail.com


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Re: [Texascavers] CaveTex: TSA Spring convention

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Are you going?


On 11/18/1999 3:29 PM, David Locklear wrote:

There was some preliminary discussion this week at
the Houston Grotto meeting about hosting the TSA
spring convention.

Can someone tell me how many people usually show up for
this event?

In recent years, this event has been held in the Hill Country.
What would people think about a more remote, primitive location
in West Texas.Like somewhere on the Pecos River.For
example, the campground at Pandale, Texas.

Please send comments directly to me:

David Locklear   lockl...@pdq.net

This is just a fact-finding mission and does not represent any
official announcement.

Sincerely,
David





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Re: [Texascavers] books on Chauvet Cave

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I will be donating to the TCMA Auction next month this very nice 
laminated poster for your consideration at the TSA Spring Convention.


Thanks,
Bill.

On 3/24/2015 8:24 AM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers wrote:

Bill Steele and I traveled to Houston about 1.5 years ago to hear Clottes speak 
at the Houston Museum of Natural Science, where he spoke about Cosquer Cave. I 
was impressed with his talk, and with the museum, it's definitely worth a visit.

Roger and Candice Moore were our hosts that weekend, the next day they took us 
out to the San Jacinto battlefield where Roger showed us the locations of the 
archaeological sites he had worked on, including the site where a group of 
Santa Anna's soldiers had discarded their arms in a long row (presumably 
because they had surrendered). That was a great weekend, with great hosts.

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biophysics
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
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On Mar 23, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers wrote:


There are used copies available online from about $60 to much more.
New copies start around $260 to $300+. (Based on a quick search)
Clottes also wrote The Shamans of Prehistory and The Cave Beneath the Sea 
(Cosquer Cave).

About 10+ years ago, I was very lucky to find several new copies of the  books 
at the old Half-Price Books on Guadalupe St in Austin for about $25 each. 
Probably because HPB was getting ready to move.

A group of cavers saw Jean Clottes speak about 10 (?) years ago on successive 
nights in San Antonio and Austin, sponsored by the Archaeological Institute of 
America. He is an excellent speaker with great stories. I surprised him with 
the books which he gladly autographed. He was happy to know there were cavers 
in the audience.

Logan McNatt
lmcn...@austin.rr.com


On 3/22/2015 9:25 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers wrote:

Thanks, Jerry. That sure sounds like a very impressive job of creating an 
artificial cave.

Inevitably, the discovery of Chauvet Cave gave rise quite quickly to a couple 
of coffee-table books.

Chauvet Cave: The Discovery of the World's Oldest Paintings, by Chauvet, 
Deschamps, and Hillaire, 1996, seems to be out of print. So, apparently, is a 
paperback reprint from 2001.

Chauvet Cave: The Art of Earliest Times, edited by Jean Clottes, 2003, is also 
out of print.

Such coffee-table art books seldom stay in print for long. They end up on 
remainder tables within a year or so. Both books are available used.-- Mixon

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[Texascavers] Fwd: Karst Field Studies 2015 Summer Program

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To: North, Leslie leslie.no...@wku.edu
Subject:Karst Field Studies 2015 Summer Program



Apologies for any duplication in this announcement. We appreciate your 
patience while we prepared for courses this summer. This message is to 
officially announce the course line for the summer 2015 Karst Field 
Studies program. Please help us spread the word about the program by 
forwarding this message to your colleagues, staff, students, friends, 
and any other parties you feel may be interested in this program.


Western Kentucky University Department of Geography and Geology and in 
cooperation with the Mammoth Cave International Center for Science and 
Learning are pleased to announce the launch of the Summer 2015 Karst 
Field Studies Program. Courses this summer will include:


- Cave Archaeology, June 1-6, Dr. George Crothers
- Karst Hydrogeology of the Ozarks, May 31-June 7, Dr. Robert Lerch and 
Ben Miller, MsC

- Research Methods for Cave and Karst Science June 17-21, Dr. Jason Polk

Courses may be taken for graduate, undergraduate, or continuing 
education credit. Courses may also be taken just for fun as non-credit 
workshops. Registration officially ends May 8, but be sure sign up early 
for discounted registration.


For more information about the program, courses, how to register, and 
instructors, please visit karstfieldstudies.com.


If you have any questions please contact the Karst Field Studies 
Director, Dr. Leslie North, at leslie.no...@wku.edu 
mailto:leslie.no...@wku.edu


Like us on Facebook at Karst Field Studies (WKU/Mammoth Cave).

Hope to see you this summer!

Dr. Leslie A. North
Assistant Professor
Department of Geography and Geology
Associate Director of Education
Hoffman Environmental Research Institute
Western Kentucky University
1906 College Heights Blvd., EST 438A
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[Texascavers] Fwd: Fwd: Please post announcement

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Date:   Tue, 03 Mar 2015 12:37:27 -0600
From:   Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net
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Organization:   PBSS
Subject:Fwd: Please post announcement



Hi Bill,
Could you send this message out to all of the list serves you manage?
Many thanks,
Dan



Call for Presentations: Cooperative Projects between Cavers, State 
Surveys, Agencies and NGOs at the NSS Convention in Waynesville, 
Missouri, July 13-17, 2010.5


The purpose of this session is to look at ways organized cavers can work 
with a variety of government agencies, local governments, and 
non-government organizations that manage caves.


Emphasis is on survey, monitoring, data management and restoration projects.

A major part of this session will be a round-table on state cave surveys 
and how the proper accumulation of data gives cave organizations the 
ability to interdigitate with agencies and others that need that data to 
properly manage cave resources as well as to effectively explore new 
opportunities for discovery both on and off public lands.


Presentations are 20-30 minutes in length.  Let us know how much time 
you need.  Presentation format is open to any medium.  Let us know if 
you have specific needs for your presentation.


Send an abstract, no longer than 250 words to daniellamp...@att.net 
http://daniellamp...@att.net/ by April 25, 2015.


Please share this information with other cavers.

Making valued contributions are essential to maintaining access to 
publicly owned caves.  In addition, proper management of and access to 
data is key to successful cooperation among cavers in order to support a 
wide range of projects.  Cavers around the nation have been doing this 
for decades.  Come share what's worked and what has not.


Dan Lamping




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[Texascavers] Fwd: [SWR] For Sale: Deep, Spacious Roswell Property, Once Occupied by a Missile

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Todays New York Times had this spiffy story, with a photo of the little
stairway door out on the Gyp plains.

   For Sale: Deep, Spacious Roswell Property, Once Occupied by a Missile

 By RICK ROJAS

The Roswell, N.M., site had been the home of an Atlas-F missile, 100
times more powerful than the atomic bomb dropped on Nagasaki. The silo
is a fixer-upper, to put it mildly.

Copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://nyti.ms/1yhbSA3

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Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey

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Bracketville  is Not close for me
And the pecan pollen made me sick with sinus attack for a couple of weeks!
On Jan 7, 2015 10:07 PM, Fritz Holt via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 I'm with Charles. The convention held at Ft. Clark several years ago was
 the best and the area had everything. What a beautiful paradise. Some may
 think it is too far west but it is worth the drive. It would also encourage
 more participants from the western parts of the state.
 Fritz Holt
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 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:51 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 I like Bracketville myself. It is close to my house. It has swimming and
 water and a hotel for the codgers and there are dozens of caves nearby. The
 NSS Convention went off well there.  We also did Chalk Bluff once and got
 drowned out.

 On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and
 dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and
 spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy
 to help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal
 killer. It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR.
 How do y'all feel about this site?

 Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many
 suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target
 date.
 How do y'all feel about that?


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Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey

[Bill Bentley via Texascavers]

I like earlier weekend
And always liked paradise canyon or flat creek ranch
On Jan 7, 2015 11:02 AM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

  TC ?



 All Mal needs to do is get to Houston and you can drive her from there,
 Lyndon…



 -Stefan



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 *Sent:* Wednesday, January 07, 2015 10:58 AM
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 *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey



 TC please. Lots of trees. More shade if hot. More wind breakers if cold.



 Mal's bday is Oct. 16 ... so that's a vote for that weekend. Provided we
 can convince Mal to drive all the way from La for this ...





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Re: [Texascavers] Texascavers Digest, Vol 6, Issue 21

[Bill Bentley via Texascavers]

Enjoying Christmas with relatives and friends Mr. Fleming.. I am sure
Charles G is doing the same...He sponsors  this list.. not I A
thanksless job I just hope those that are offending are aware that
there are government agencies, educational fscalities, land owners,
children  and others who might not be cavers, but are interested on these
lists... It certainly doesn't do cavers in a good light
Bill
On Dec 21, 2014 1:25 PM, Stephen Fleming via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

  Hey Bentley, when you gonna start moderating this pissing match?



 On 12/21/2014 11:45, Julie Jenkins via Texascavers wrote:

 Well, since yur sharing with to and intend this for only me and have a
 suck ass name like sleaveweasel- well no more need to said- a locklear fan
 I hope u 2 enjoy each other's special man love! Scumbag!! U shut the fu--
 up. Shithead

 On Dec 21, 2014, at 12:01 PM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
 wrote:

   In a message dated 12/21/2014 12:00:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
 texascavers@texascavers.com writes:

 shut the F---


 As a person who is often taken to task by inarticulate idiots I support
 Locklear's idiosyncratic comments and strongly suggest that the ignoramus
 who protested his postings take a slug out of the piss bottle and shut the
 F---k Up!

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Re: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns

[Bill Bentley via Texascavers]

It's okay David, I didn't read your email either...

Bill

On 12/15/2014 1:31 PM, David via Texascavers wrote:


I did not read the details of the last post, but just skimmed it.

I do not recall that the cave that I went to being across the Colorado 
river, as the report indicated.


My previous post about the vicinity of the cave seem to be mistaken.

I drove down every street in the neighborhood using Google Street 
View, and was NOT able to find anything that resembled the storm-sewer 
that we entered.


David Locklear



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[Texascavers] David Ochel

[Bill Bentley-Phone via Texascavers]

Contact me off list. .
Thanks, 
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Re: [Texascavers] Summary of last night's DFW grotto meeting

[Bill Bentley via Texascavers]

Well, you could come to the PBSS Christmas party at my house on Friday 
Night Dec 12th...

We are gonna party like it's 1985!

Bill

On 11/20/2014 7:32 PM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers wrote:

These are not official meeting minutes, but several people were not able to 
make it to last night's DFW Grotto meeting, and asked me to fill them in on 
some things that happened.

1) We re-elected the current slate of officers to serve again in 2015.

Chair: Jake McLeod
Vice-chair: Jacqueline Hawk
Secretary: Bill Steele
Treasurer: Diana Tomchick

2) Since no one could agree on a good weekend in December for the annual grotto 
holiday party (too many travel conflicts), we decided instead to have a New 
Year's party on Saturday, January 3rd. Tom Sims has graciously offered to host 
the party; more details will be forthcoming.

3) For the last approximately 6 months we have known that our long-standing 
meeting site (the Dallas REI store on I-635) would be closing and moving to a 
site closer to the SMU campus and less convenient for the current membership. 
We have tried to find another inexpensive (i.e., free!) meeting room in the 
same general area as the current site, with no luck. Bill Steele has been in 
contact with the Southlake REI store (which just opened last weekend), and they 
are happy to have us meet there at our traditional monthly schedule (the fourth 
Wednesday of every month from January to October, and the third Wednesday of 
November). The new meeting room looks much better than the one we currently 
use--it has built-in A/V and will seat 35 people. The address for the new 
meeting site is

1011 East Southlake Boulevard, Southlake, TX 76092

The REI store is the first store to open in this new mall. We have yet to 
decide on a restaurant for the traditional after-meeting dinner; more details 
will be forthcoming.

4) Four new cavers joined the grotto last night. They attended the November 
Colorado Bend State Park Project and are excited about going caving this 
weekend with the grotto at Spring Creek Cave.

5) We showed the Honey Creek video (by Joe Furman  Jean Krejca) as our program 
last night, and hopefully some of the new members will want to help out with the 
January Tank Hauls.

I think I can speak for all the grotto officers when I say that we are really 
looking forward to a great new year of caving in 2015. We are also hoping that 
the new meeting location will attract new members from all over the DFW 
Metroplex.

Diana

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[Texascavers] Fwd: Re: Skywarn Recognition Day

[Bill Bentley via Texascavers]

 David and Others,
  I will commit to come out and work the HF rig for a couple of 
hours... The last few years it has been a little N5POB and a lot of 
August K5HCT Show  and that gets old for both me and him,  I am glad to 
hear that others are getting involved and are excited about it. It can 
and is a lot of fun when you have a group effort.

I may or may not be able to set up and take down.  Too far out to forecast.
  I have a question though about what call sign will be used? Will 
it be W5MAF?,  which is currently assigned to Les Blalock N5KOA as a 
Trustee for the West Texas Skywarn Association.  Has he been asked? As a 
courtesy he should be notified as it is his license on the line if 
someone violates the rules and a heaven forbid a citation should be 
issued by the FCC. Hopefully with competent control operators that won't 
be an issue.
I certainly don't mind being the control operator while I am there,  
which would give everyone the Extra Class Portion of the band privileges.

I say take lots of pictures and show the others what they missed.
Make sure there is coffee and donuts and it will be okay.

MY 2 cents worth...Pay me later.
Bill de N5POB

On 11/6/2014 2:52 PM, KF5WDJ wrote:


Gentlemen,

We should all be on the same page for this; so, here is what I have so 
far.  A younger ham in Hobbs has acquired a tower trailer and is 
setting it up for emcomm use.  He is excited and planning on bringing 
it over to try out; and, hopes to have a few other operators come with 
him.  A few of the younger hams in Big Spring are planning on coming 
to help as well.  I am putting together an OCF dipole for 80 through 
10.  It will be set up with poles to get it up at 20 feet and I have 
125' of feed line for it.  To make this fun, I thought we could invite 
anyone with a portable hf antenna they would like to set up to bring 
it.  We can swap them out on the feed line and see how they work.  I 
thought we might want to keep the rig as simple as possible -- maybe, 
a simple portable radio and modest turner.


I have not had much response from Midland and Odessa.  I haven't 
pushed yet other than the announcement by email and on the net.  I 
will start trying to get commitments on the net. This week wasn't good 
due to link conditions.  Hopefully those will be worked out soon.


That is my input at this point.  It is probably time to open the 
conversation and my opinion is worth what you paid for it.


73,

David KF5WDJ

*From:* MARC [mailto:marc-boun...@w5qgg.org] *On Behalf Of *STEVE HOPKINS
*Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 10:29 AM
*To:* 'MARC'
*Subject:* [MARC] Club meeting

Meeting announcement

This coming Monday, November 10, 7:30pm

The next scheduled meeting for November will be held at the National 
Weather Service on Highway 80 between the airport and the Airpark 
Mobile home park. This should be convenient for Odessa as well as 
Midland Hams.  As promised, a new Baofeng dual band handy talkie will 
be the door prize, and we will be given a tour of the newly remodeled 
facility.  There will also be an announcement about the Weather 
Service Ham Radio Appreciation Day coming up in early December, and we 
will have a short discussion about Hamfest.


_+_+_+_+_+

The Christmas party on Tuesday, December 9^th will serve as our 
December meeting. The time is 6:30 to 8pm and the location is KD's BBQ 
on East Florida Street (Hwy 158) near the I-20 overpass. Our last 
handy talkie will be given away along with other door prizes, so be 
sure to attend. We will also take this time to recognize members of 
the club for their service.


Until then, best 73,

Steve K5RS





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Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Re: Skywarn Recognition Day

[Bill Bentley via Texascavers]

I am not sure how this got sent to the TC list?
It was suppose to have went to others...
Sorry, Good thing I didn't cuss!

Bill
On 11/6/2014 5:36 PM, Bill Bentley via Texascavers wrote:

 David and Others,
  I will commit to come out and work the HF rig for a couple of 
hours... The last few years it has been a little N5POB and a lot of 
August K5HCT Show  and that gets old for both me and him,  I am glad 
to hear that others are getting involved and are excited about it. It 
can and is a lot of fun when you have a group effort.
I may or may not be able to set up and take down.  Too far out to 
forecast.
  I have a question though about what call sign will be used? Will 
it be W5MAF?,  which is currently assigned to Les Blalock N5KOA as a 
Trustee for the West Texas Skywarn Association.  Has he been asked? As 
a courtesy he should be notified as it is his license on the line if 
someone violates the rules and a heaven forbid a citation should be 
issued by the FCC. Hopefully with competent control operators that 
won't be an issue.
I certainly don't mind being the control operator while I am there,  
which would give everyone the Extra Class Portion of the band privileges.

I say take lots of pictures and show the others what they missed.
Make sure there is coffee and donuts and it will be okay.

MY 2 cents worth...Pay me later.
Bill de N5POB

On 11/6/2014 2:52 PM, KF5WDJ wrote:


Gentlemen,

We should all be on the same page for this; so, here is what I have 
so far.  A younger ham in Hobbs has acquired a tower trailer and is 
setting it up for emcomm use.  He is excited and planning on bringing 
it over to try out; and, hopes to have a few other operators come 
with him. A few of the younger hams in Big Spring are planning on 
coming to help as well.  I am putting together an OCF dipole for 80 
through 10.  It will be set up with poles to get it up at 20 feet and 
I have 125’ of feed line for it.  To make this fun, I thought we 
could invite anyone with a portable hf antenna they would like to set 
up to bring it.  We can swap them out on the feed line and see how 
they work.  I thought we might want to keep the rig as simple as 
possible – maybe, a simple portable radio and modest turner.


I have not had much response from Midland and Odessa.  I haven’t 
pushed yet other than the announcement by email and on the net.  I 
will start trying to get commitments on the net.  This week wasn’t 
good due to link conditions. Hopefully those will be worked out soon.


That is my input at this point.  It is probably time to open the 
conversation and my opinion is worth what you paid for it.


73,

David KF5WDJ

*From:* MARC [mailto:marc-boun...@w5qgg.org] *On Behalf Of *STEVE HOPKINS
*Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 10:29 AM
*To:* 'MARC'
*Subject:* [MARC] Club meeting

Meeting announcement

This coming Monday, November 10, 7:30pm

The next scheduled meeting for November will be held at the National 
Weather Service on Highway 80 between the airport and the Airpark 
Mobile home park. This should be convenient for Odessa as well as 
Midland Hams.  As promised, a new Baofeng dual band handy talkie will 
be the door prize, and we will be given a tour of the newly remodeled 
facility.  There will also be an announcement about the Weather 
Service Ham Radio Appreciation Day coming up in early December, and 
we will have a short discussion about Hamfest.


_+_+_+_+_+

The Christmas party on Tuesday, December 9^th will serve as our 
December meeting. The time is 6:30 to 8pm and the location is KD’s 
BBQ on East Florida Street (Hwy 158) near the I-20 overpass. Our last 
handy talkie will be given away along with other door prizes, so be 
sure to attend.  We will also take this time to recognize members of 
the club for their service.


Until then, best 73,

Steve K5RS







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Re: [Texascavers] Texascavers@texascavers.com

[Bill Bentley via Texascavers]

I think my Gmail account was hacked... I didn't send this...
Bill

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[Texascavers] Fwd: FW: EMERGENCY BULLETIN - Huge Flood hits BTSR

[Bill Bentley via Texascavers]

This is a call for anyone in case they might be interested in doing some 
service work.

Thanks,
Bill

From: gracie.quint...@scouting.org
Subject: EMERGENCY BULLETIN - Huge Flood hits BTSR
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 22:41:19 +
To:

Buffalo Trail Scout Ranch desperately needs clean-up crews to dig out 
from a major flash flood that came down from Goat Cave Creek on Friday, 
September 12th. It was larger than anything experienced in at least the 
last 30 years. Flood damage includes:


* Pool shower house / latrine

* Rocks and boulders in the pool

* Slab for the pool has been partially washed out

* Large trees between the Old Folks Home and the pool washed out

* Both Jeeps, all Kawasaki Mules and four ATV's were submerged

* Shop area was flooded leaving large amounts of silt and rocks

* Water damage to Ranger's house, Buffalo Hall, and the Dining Hall.

BTSR needs anyone that can come out with a shovel in hand. Please 
consider coming to BTSR over the next several weeks to lend a hand. With 
Cub-O-Rees scheduled October 18th and 25th, we need to make sure the 
Dining Hall is operational. The bottom line is BTSR needs help, 
desperately! The ideal weekends are the weekends of September 26 - 28, 
October 3 - 5, and October 10 - 12.


If whole troops are unable to help, individuals or families are welcome 
to volunteer weekdays or weekends. Contact Rangerdan directly to 
schedule a time and projects. You can reach Dan at:


rangerd...@hotmail.com mailto:rangerd...@hotmail.com

432-426-3709

If you have your own, please bring:

* Shovels

* Rakes

* Wheelbarrows

* Gloves and any other tools that would be beneficial

PLEASE NOTE: Due to the damage at camp, any camping will be primitive. 
Troops need to bring their own food and water. At this time, there is 
water available but we cannot guarantee that it will still be when you 
arrive.


Mark Richardson

Assistant Scout Executive

Director of Camping and Outdoor Programs

BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA

Buffalo Trail Council

1101 W. Texas Avenue

Midland, Texas 79701

P 432.570.7601 | F 432.570.7611

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Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: EARTH: Valley Fever an Occupational Hazard for Geoscientists

[Bill Bentley via Texascavers]

I contracted this or a variation of it in 2010 digging in 5 Mouth Cave... I
spent time in the hospital... They treated me like I had Histoplasmosis...
I responded well to the antibiotics But without the treatment. .. I was
going downhill quickly... I would have been dead within a few days. I now
have limited lung capacity... scaring shows up and looks
like spider webs on my lung xrays...
Bill
On Sep 14, 2014 2:37 PM, Julia Germany via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

  As a member of AGI, I received this press release.  Until now, I have
 never heard of Valley Fever.  I am curious if any of you out there have any
 experience/knowledge about it.

 julia

  germa...@aol.com


  -Original Message-
 From: AGI Public Relations outre...@agiweb.org
 To: germanyj germa...@aol.com
 Sent: Wed, Sep 10, 2014 2:15 pm
 Subject: EARTH: Valley Fever an Occupational Hazard for Geoscientists

  Contact: Megan Sever (mse...@earthmagazine.org)

 For Immediate Release

 EARTH: Valley Fever an Occupational Hazard for Geoscientists

 Alexandria, Va. -  Valley Fever - a sometimes-fatal infection with no known 
 cure
 and no vaccine - is caused by a soilborne fungus that thrives in the hot, dry
 soils of the southwestern U.S., Mexico and Central and South America. However,
 recent reports of infections far outside the endemic area indicate the fungus 
 is
 either spreading or becoming active in new areas. The disease is contracted
 through inhalation of fungal spores, which can be aerosolized by soil
 disturbances from construction, excavation, gardening and landscaping, as well
 as natural events like dust storms, earthquakes, landslides and wildfires.
 Geoscientists working in the field need to take precautions against 
 contracting
 the disease.

 Scientists say that little is currently known about the fungus' preferred
 geology and how a changing climate might be affecting its spread. Read more
 about where the disease has been found, current research on the disease and 
 how
 to protect yourself in the field in the September issue of EARTH 
 Magazine:http://bit.ly/1l1mi21.

 For more stories about the science of our planet, check out EARTH magazine
 online or subscribe at www.earthmagazine.org. The September issue, now 
 available
 on the digital newsstand, features stories about floating nuclear plants
 potentially being safer from tsunamis than land-based plants, natural arsenic
 levels exceeding regulatory standards in Ohio, and the new literary genre of
 Cli-Fi, stories about the future of humanity living under an altered 
 climate,
 plus much, much more.

  ###

 Keep up to date with the latest happenings in Earth, energy and environment 
 news
 with EARTH magazine online at http://www.earthmagazine.org/. Published by the
 American Geosciences Institute, EARTH is your source for the science behind 
 the
 headlines.

 ###

 The American Geosciences Institute is a nonprofit federation of 49 
 geoscientific
 and professional associations that represents more than 250,000 geologists,
 geophysicists and other earth scientists. Founded in 1948, AGI provides
 information services to geoscientists, serves as a voice of shared interests 
 in
 the profession, plays a major role in strengthening geoscience education, and
 strives to increase public awareness of the vital role the geosciences play in
 society's use of resources, resiliency to natural hazards, and interaction 
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices

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What constitutes an Old Timer qualification?


On 9/12/2014 11:29 AM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers wrote:

TCR Registration Prices:

Adult - $25.00
Child - $15.00
Family - $80.00
Old timer - $15.00

Registration gets you a wristband, meal, beverages and a chance at door prizes.

Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/events/529777467143718/
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR is almost here!!!

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I am going after all!...
On 9/10/2014 4:38 PM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers wrote:

TCR is one month away, let the countdown begin to October 9-12, 2014
at Guadalupe River Campgrounds!! We have direct reports that there is
water in the river!

www.guadaluperv.com

7200 Spring Branch Rd
Spring Branch, Texas 78070
Rio Medina, TX, 78066

Texas Cavers Reunion is at a brand new location in Spring Branch, TX,
on 3/4 miles of the Guadalupe River! Information will be updated at:
www.cavetexas.org/events/TCR/index.html

All the fun will be there...Speleolympics, Hot Tub, Big Feed,
Swimming, Awards, carousing, fun and of course-friends.

This is an annual get-together for cavers and caver lovers alike. The
place is ours to enjoy for the weekend with its refreshing water and
view. Food, friends, fun.

Vendors will be available all day Saturday and early Sunday morning
hawking their wares. Registration gets you a wristband, meal,
beverages and a chance at door prizes. The Big Feed will happen
Saturday evening followed by awards. Bring your own plate, cup and
feed tools to get the food from your plate to your food hole.

We have the go ahead for live music this year and musical instruments
are welcome, however not at the hot tub. Cameras aren't allowed at the
hot tub either. That end of the park is a quiet zone and it will be
enforced.

Sunday morning, some wonderful intrepid individuals will be making
breakfast to raise funds for the Texas Cave Management Association.

The Texas Speleological Association and Texas Cave Management
Association are having a meeting Sunday morning, schedule to be
announced.

There are showers, some of us will stink before too long, take
advantage of these facilities please.

The theme this year isSuper Villains so keep up with the event page
for costume ideas. That said, this is a family event, please try to
limit nudity...away from kids, in front of me.

Children and dogs. Both are welcome! They must be well behaved; no
biting, fighting, constant screaming or barking. Pooping on the ground
isn't encouraged, but if they must, please clean up after them. Pets
must be on leash.

Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/events/529777467143718/
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Re: [Texascavers] Related to hoarding speleo-stuff

[Bill Bentley via Texascavers]

I have a copy of that photo by Michael Queen taken in Carlsbad Caverns...


On 9/9/2014 7:48 PM, David via Texascavers wrote:


The link below shows what $ 7 will get you at The Goodwill Store, if 
you have a trained eye for such bargains.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/xtj1zvhgqb7fnpv/Speleothems.jpg?dl=0

It is in a 24 x 36 frame.

I know I have seen this photo somewhere similar to this before.

I waited a week to buy it, and nobody beat me to it.

David Locklear
Amateur speleo-hoarder



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[Texascavers] Texas Cavers Magazine

[Bill Bentley via Texascavers]

Hi All,
I got my current issue of the Texas Cavers and I didn't know that it had 
a little plastic tape thingy on the open side and when I went to open 
it... It ripped.
 I am sure that it was placed there to keep it from flying open and 
getting mangled by the USPS...

Anyways warning to others to be careful and not rip your magazine...

Bill
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Bill Bentley via Texascavers]

Mark, The Texascavers and all my mailing lists do allow attachments,
We are finally getting into the 1990's technology...
:)
Bill

On 7/31/2014 6:23 AM, via Texascavers wrote:


I agree with you, Marvin.

On occasion, when the picking were slim for the TC, I had to resort to 
the same thing in order to get it published.


No harm in that.

Not everyone has access to these listserves (is that a word?) and, 
since attachments aren’t allowed, I would ping the writers for photos 
to go along with their offerings to further flesh out their report.


“Put a little meat on their bones”, in other words.

One’s gotta do what one’s gotta do when the pickings are a little slim.

A report is a report.

My main query yesterday was not just how the TC was doing, but how is 
the TSA doing, as in membership numbers and trends.


Organized clubs are struggling, including many grottos and the NSS. 
How does the TSA look?


Mark

*From:*Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Marvin Miller via Texascavers

*Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19 PM
*To:* Heather Tucek; texascavers@texascavers.com
*Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

For the record - and I'm not mad at anyone; I think this is a good 
discussion - the Texas caving news appearing in the latest issue of 
the NSS News is in Buford Pruitt's Underground Online column. 
Buford's method - as I understand it - is trolling the chatter on 
various blogs, email lists, etc. across the nation and compiling the 
interesting bits in his column. That is how a Colorado Bend trip 
report, a Government Canyon trip report, and a report on the latest 
Deep Cave trip ended up in the NSS News. They were not sent to the 
News as an article to be published but were instead picked up by 
Buford off of this very email listserve. That's great. Cavers across 
the nation and the world need to see that Texas cavers go caving and 
do interesting things.


I know that occasionally the three people who wrote those reports for 
Texascavers.com also compile the happenings in their respective 
projects in a bit more of a readable and concise fashion with pictures 
and maps and submit an article to the Texas Caver. That's also a great 
thing. If the editors of the Texas Caver want to pull things of the 
email list and publish it, more power to them. I'll continue to 
support the magazine and the TSS and news about caving in Texas 
wherever it appears.




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Re: cavetex archives

[Bill Bentley]

I am guessing no one is getting any real paying kind  of work done today.
They are now in the Thunderbird (Mozilla) format since Windows 7 and 8 
don't allow Outlook Express...


You might have to install Thunderbird on a PC to get then back to 
something readable


Advise?


Thanks,
Bill

On 7/31/2014 12:55 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
I finally decided to revisit this really old topic, and reviewed the 
files you had sent me, and they are all in PDF for the messages.  I 
can't easily convert those to archive on a webpage.


Do you still have your original outlook files?  I'm going to be 
putting them into mbox format to import into the webpage.  If you can 
export the messages into the .dbx files that outlook express does, I 
can convert into mbox.


I'm looking for the archives from 1998 to 2005.  I have everything 
past that.


Thanks



On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net 
mailto:ca...@caver.net wrote:



- Original Message - From: Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net
mailto:ca...@caver.net
To: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org
mailto:wo...@justfamily.org
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: cavetex archives


I have it from 4-14-1998 to 9-19-2005

it is archived by yearin outlook express format  i.e 1998,
1999, 2000,
and so on.


I have a way to create a PDF file for each year (folder)



- Original Message - From: Charles Goldsmith
wo...@justfamily.org mailto:wo...@justfamily.org
To: Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net mailto:ca...@caver.net
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:50 AM
Subject: cavetex archives


Bill, I joined cavetex back June 16th of 2005, and I'm
assuming that
you were one of the first to join up, but if not, you can
probably
help me out.

I'm looking to build the complete archives, and I'm not
picky about
formats at this time, depending on how hard it will be to
import into
the google archives and my personal stuff.

Can you send me what you have prior to 06/16/2005?

Thanks
Charles

Re: [Texascavers] article on Kissing Bugs and Chagas Disease in US

[Bill Bentley]

Steve said he was going to upgrade to 2.18 this last weekend, but he 
didn't... probably got busy


Bill
On 7/29/2014 8:41 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:

That mung option I sent you info about.


On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net 
mailto:ca...@caver.net wrote:


So how are you getting it to say via texascavers?


 Original Message 
Subject:Re: [Texascavers] article on Kissing Bugs and Chagas
Disease in US
Date:   Tue, 29 Jul 2014 08:22:33 -0500
From:   Charles Loving via Texascavers
texascavers@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com
Reply-To:   Charles Loving lovingi...@gmail.com
mailto:lovingi...@gmail.com, texascavers@texascavers.com
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com
To: Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com
mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com, Cavers Texas
texascavers@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com



Thanks Logan that was a good read.


On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers
texascavers@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com
wrote:

This topic has been on the list before.  Here's a July 24,
2014 article.


http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/07/northern-virginia-ground-zero-for-kissing-bug-disease/374383/
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[PBSS] Mailing list change

[Bill Bentley]

Greetings fellow Cavers.,
Just an FYI to everyone, I've made a change to the mailing list 
software on the reply-to section.  It used to default to the user who 
sent the email, and people had to hit reply-all to send back to the 
mailing list.


This now defaults to the list, and while not optimum and would not be my 
first choice, the anti-spam measures of AOL, Yahoo and a few others are 
forcing us to do this.


If some of you received notices saying that you were removed from the 
mailing list,  and if you read the body of that message, it talks about 
providers rejecting email from mailing lists, due to DMARC policies. 
 That policy is forcing me to make the changes.


I know, a lot of technical mumbo jumbo (borrowed from Charles 
Goldsmith), and if you have any problems or questions, feel free to 
email me directly.


Thanks!
Bill Bentley
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[SWR] Forwarded from Carl Paganoca

[Bill Bentley]

Subject:
Natural Trap Cave, Wyoming
From:
Carl Pagano pagan...@comcast.net
Date:
7/24/2014 8:17 AM

To:
swr-boun...@caver.net


Great article. Carl


 Wyoming cave with fossil secrets to be excavated

Associated Press http://www.ap.org/
1 hour ago

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In an image provided by the Bureau of Land Management, date not known, 
Bureau of Land Management cave specialist Bryan McKenzie rappels into 
Natural Trap Cave in north-central Wyoming during a cleanup expedition. 
The cave holds the remains of tens of thousands of animals, including 
many now-extinct species, from the late Pleistocene period tens of 
thousands of years ago. Starting July 28, 2014, scientists plan to 
venture back into the cave and resume digging for the first time in more 
than 30 years. (AP Photo/Bureau of Land Management) 
http://news.yahoo.com/wyoming-cave-fossil-secrets-excavated-061433750.html#

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View gallery

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   http://news.yahoo.com/wyoming-cave-fossil-secrets-excavated-061433750.html#
   .

CHEYENNE, Wyo. (AP) --- For the first time in more than 30 years, 
paleontologists are about to revisit one of North America's most 
remarkable troves of late Pleistocene fossils: The bones of tens of 
thousands of animals piled at least 30 feet deep at the bottom of a 
sinkhole-type cave.


Natural Trap Cave in north-central Wyoming is 85 feet deep and almost 
impossible to see until you're standing right next to it. Over tens of 
thousands of years, many, many animals --- including now-extinct 
mammoths, short-faced bears, American lions and American cheetahs --- 
shared the misfortune of not noticing the 15-foot-wide opening until 
they were plunging to their deaths.


Now, the U.S. Bureau of Land Management is preparing to reopen a metal 
grate over the opening to offer scientists what may be their best look 
yet at the variety of critters that roamed the foothills of the Bighorn 
Mountains during the planet's last glacial period around 25,000 years ago.


Des Moines University paleontologist Julie Meachen said she has been 
getting ready to lead the international team of a dozen researchers and 
assistants by hitting the climbing gym.


I'm pretty terrified, Meachen admitted Wednesday.

She hasn't done any real climbing before, she said, and the only way in 
is to rappel down. The only way out is an eight-story, single-rope climb 
all the way back up.


The cave is perpetually cold and clammy, with temperatures in the 
mid-40s and humidity around 98 percent. Even Bureau of Land Management 
regional paleontologist Brent Breithaupt, who isn't one to get the 
willies from lots of animal bones, describes it as a tad creepy.


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In an image provided by the Bureau of Land Management,nbsp;hellip;

[Texascavers] Fwd: Question..

[Bill Bentley]

Can someone from San Antonio or Austin get this person signed up in the 
Bexar or UT Grotto quick? Then the TSA, NSS, TCMA and so on...


Bill


 Original Message 
Subject:Question..
Date:   Sat, 21 Jun 2014 13:49:26 -0500
From:   lia politi lia.polit...@gmail.com
To: ca...@caver.net ca...@caver.net



Hello,

I am an aspiring avid spelunker with experience but I have a very hard time 
finding explorable caves in the San Antonio and Austin area. What is the 
process like for joining your organization and is it feasible to be able to 
explore caves in this area?

Thanks,
Lia Politi

Re: [SWR] SWR emailing list

[Bill Bentley]

Lori's Cafe on the corner of Wall Street and Garfield...

Bill
On 6/12/2014 10:01 AM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:

See, you were bragging a while back that the SWR was nothing like TC :p

*grabs a bag of popcorn and watches the show

btw, you still wanna do lunch tomorrow?  where's a good place near
downtown midland?

On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net wrote:

http://caver.net/swrrules.html

All,
Think before you send...

Please read your post once or twice before you send it. Think of how will it
be received by the recipient?

Please keep it civil and not personal.

I hate to even have to be sending this email out.
Caver, friend and list owner/moderator...
Bill Bentley

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Re: [SWR] Bounced email - Update

[Bill Bentley]

All,
I went in and reinstated everyone who had been disabled, I can not 
however re subscribe anyone who was automatically unsubscribed.

Thanks,
 Bill
On 6/9/2014 9:28 PM, Steve Ball wrote:


Hi all,

A couple of the big email sites (hotmail, aol, comcast) have begun to 
get a little more strict on who they accept mail from, and 
unfortunately today, the server that sends you the caver.net lists 
found itself whacked by their checks.  I've made some updates that 
should resolve things, and will be monitoring the situation in case it 
doesn't.  So don't panic if you receive an email suggesting your 
subscription is disabled!


Thanks for your patience.

-Steve Ball
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Re: [SWR] SWR FOIA ACTION

[Bill Bentley]

I, as list owner don't have an opinion, well I do, but I will keep it to 
myself...
I appreciate everyone being civil towards each other...  The old agree 
to disagree thing... Cavers are the best even when they have differences...


Bill

On 5/27/2014 8:00 PM, Patricia E. Seiser wrote:


Hello,

I’m not sure what to say regarding the FOIA action, so will not 
comment on it, but I do have a few questions:


1.I was unable to attend the last SWR regional due to scheduling 
conflicts. Was the FOIA discussed at the regional? If it wasn’t, I 
find it surprising to be asking for regional support after the fact. 
If it was discussed and approval received from a majority of the 
grotto representatives, my apologies.


2.Who will be the SWR’s “experts” who will be reviewing the documents. 
If you are questioning the veracity of the scientists and the land  
cave managers, they have every right to ask the same of the SWR. So… 
I, as a SWR member, am asking: Who will be our experts who will be 
reviewing the said documents and what are their credentials?


3.It appears that a great deal of information has been requested. How 
will the fees for labor and coping charges be paid? Were these 
potential expenditures cleared ahead of time? (Once again, my 
apologies if this discussion was held at the past regional).


Thanks for answering my questions.

Wicked Good Caving

Pat Seiser



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[PBSS] Fwd: [SWR] Background on the FOIA request to BLM

[Bill Bentley]

More to discuss at the next PBSS meeting.


 Original Message 
Subject:[SWR] Background on the FOIA request to BLM
Date:   Thu, 22 May 2014 13:51:50 -0600
From:   Steve Peerman gypca...@comcast.net
To: Mailing List for SWR s...@caver.net



All,
On Tuesday, May 20, 2014, our SWR Vice-Chair, Jim Evatt notified the 
membership in the SWR, through the SWR mailing list, that a Freedom of 
Information Act (FOIA) request had been filed by the SWR for information 
related to the BLM's management of the threat of White Nose Syndrome 
(WNS).   This act, arguably the most significant act taken by the SWR 
for a generation, is the result of a string of events over the last 
several years.  I want to give the membership some of the background 
that led up to this request.
As most everyone knows, WNS is a debilitating condition that has 
affected hibernating bats, primarily in the eastern United States and 
Canada, causing very high mortality rates in the bat colonies from the 
fungus that causes it. /(P. destructans)./  The first evidence of WNS 
came from Howe Caverns, a commercial cave in New York, in 2007.An 
initial thought was that perhaps a caver from Europe possibly brought 
this fungus to the United States by visiting the cave with clothes that 
were contaminated with the fungus.  As more and more evidence 
accumulated of the devastating effects of WNS to bats, the US Fish and 
Wlldlife Service developed guidelines for the various cave management 
agencies to use regarding the potential spread of WNS.  These guidelines 
included recommendations to close caves and abandoned mines to human 
entry because of the possibility that humans may be a significant vector 
to the transmission of the condition.
In January of 2011, the NM BLM published a Federal Register Notice of 
Temporary Closure of 28 caves in New Mexico known to have significant 
bat populations, probably as a direct result of a report of an infected 
bat in the neighboring state of Oklahoma.   That Temporary Closure was 
for 2 years only and expired in January of 2013.  At the 2012 Winter 
Tech, Ms. Marikay Ramsey  (BLM bat biologist) announced the intent of 
the BLM to renew the closure.  In January of 2013, at a special meeting 
in Albuquerque, Jim Goodbar, National BLM Cave Program lead,  again 
discussed that intent, and also mentioned that 3 of the caves previously 
closed would be re-opened.  The BLM revealed that it was delegating the 
management of caving activities under the threat of WNS to a state-wide 
Cave Management Team.
Cavers waited for the announcement that the Temporary Closure was being 
renewed, or that a new Temporary Closure was being instituted.  This 
didn't happen (and hasn't happened to date).  Instead, the BLM merely 
said that the caves are closed.  Cavers inquiring about the closure 
were told that BLM didn't need to have a Federal Register Temporary 
Closure because the cave specialists could merely refuse to issue permits.
This  management plan, if it can be called that, for the BLM caves that 
were previously closed by Federal Register Notice persisted for another 
year, as cavers became increasingly dissatisfied with how the caves were 
being managed.  Meanwhile more research was being done on WNS; research 
that demonstrated that bats were very good at transmitting WNS from one 
to another, but that humans ere not very good at spreading the fungus. 
 In fact, we know of no credible evidence that WNS has been spread from 
one cave to another by humans.
At the spring SWR regional on April 12, 2014 there was a significant 
discussion of the BLM's continuing stand that they could close the caves 
by just saying they are closed and what to do about it.   One idea was 
to ask for permits for some of the closed caves in order to bring the 
issue to the forefront.  This was done by several folks, including Dave 
Belski and Stephen Fleming, who both requested recreational permits to 
Fort Stanton Cave.  Both were denied.
On May 6, 2014 the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation 
announced that the previous report of a WNS bat in Oklahoma was a false 
report, and that no WNS infected bats had been detected in New Mexico. 
 On May 9, BLM's Chief of Communications issued this statement to the 
SWR mailing list:

*
*
*BLM New Mexico White-Nose Syndrome Closure Strategy Update*
*May 2014*
BLM New Mexico is evaluating the new information released by the 
National Wildlife Health Center about the Woodward County, Oklahoma bat 
originally tested in 2010 being now reclassified as negative 
for/Pseudogymnoascus (/formerly /Geomyces) destructans /and White-nose 
syndrome (WNS).
 At this time, we are sustaining our WNS cave and abandoned mine 
closure strategy. The BLM’s team of biologists, cave specialists, and 
managers will work internally, as well as with our NM interagency 
partners, to consider the new Oklahoma findings.
The BLM is the responsible party for managing hundreds of New Mexico 

[SWR] Admin message AOL rejecting emails

[Bill Bentley]

You all might tell your buddies that are on AOL for email that AOL in 
it's infinite wisdom are rejecting emails from list servers like SWR

I doubt they will ever see this message..
Bill

http://postmaster-blog.aol.com/bloggers/vishwanath-subramanian/
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[Texascavers] caver.net mailing lists

[Bill Bentley]

The caver.net mailing lists are down as the server is being migrated I
don't think anything will be lost... only delayed...
Thanks,
Bill Bentley