Thanks Mohammad and all other survey participants, I'm now closing the thread
and survey here but hope you'll all be able to attend the forthcoming
'Conference'. Thanks for your patience!
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Thanks Ilya and TonyM.
The survey closes on Wednesday, if anyone else would like to take part please
do. All questions are optional. Thanks for your interest!
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Hi Mohammad,
For this experiment I'm trying to keep everything 'in house' here on the forum.
Google forms or external solutions will work I'm sure but;
*It's an additional step, this way tests the most basic method available.
*Results on Google Forms are obscure and not immediatley visible to
Hi,
This is a survey preparing for the forthcoming '*Conference on
Collaboration on Google Groups*' to be held from the 11th October 2019,
from which I hope to produce a report of some kind.
This survey builds on this earlier post, which is now 'closed'.
Haha - but it's fun! Thanks Cd.K. and Lost Admin. Great points!
Thank you everyone for your responses and contributions.
I'm going to close this thread and move on to Stage 2 - a short survey in a new
thread. Then, finally, a 'Conference' in a week's time. Hope you'll be able to
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As promised to @Cd.K. I had a look at one of the Blender forums;
https://devtalk.blender.org/t/i-love-blender-so-ive-spent-a-bit-of-time-designing-a-better-ui-workflow-what-do-you-think/9693
Blender seems to be using the open source Discourse forum software;
https://meta.discourse.org/
Which
Thanks Tony,
Can you list a few pros and cons of the Mail archive over the standard GG
interface from a collaboration point of view, for those of us who've never used
it?
As regards clarification, when I started I'll admit I was thinking more of ways
of leveraging Google Groups to facilitate
Thanks Ilya, added to the list!
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Thanks for the thoughts TT, there'll be a chance to discuss everything later I
hope once the 'information gathering' stages conclude. Thanks for the input.
If anyone else wants to chip in please do - Any other techniques or workarounds
you think might be useful when collaborating on a team
Thanks for the response Riz,
I'll add your points to the forthcoming Agenda thread where I hope the
discussion will take place. Hope that doesn't count as necrobumping, this
approach is a bit experimental.
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Thanks Tony, you've given me an excuse to go over the original post again.
Here's 'the plan';
Stage 1 - (this thread) - Submissions close Wednesday 2nd October.
Collect ideas, thoughts, problems, experiences, anything to do with
collaboration on google groups. No discussion at stage 1.
Stage
Thanks for the response Tony,
Have a look at the original post and you'll see the 4 stage, timetabled 'plan',
such as it is, culminating in a virtual 'Conference on Collaboration in Google
Groups'. I'm hoping that description will contain enough keywords to make it
findable in the future.
Thanks for the response Cd.K, I'll definitely have a look at Blender and add
points here if I can. Thanks for the input.
I'm still collecting any thoughts on collaboration successes, failures and all
points in between, as experienced by users here on google groups. Everything
counts so please
Rather than just 'bump' this I thought it would be more productive to look
through previous threads for collaboration questions and ideas.
I'm still trying to avoid discussion of the ideas just yet, hoping to collect
more responses and ideas first, so please do chip in any ideas, problems,
Thanks for the response Thomas, you've got the ball rolling! Keep them coming,
anything and everything to do with collaboration on Google Groups welcome.
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Hi fellow forum users!
I'm interested in methods of collaborating on 'projects' here on Google Groups
and I'd like to ask for your help in organising a virtual 'Conference' here on
the forum to look into it.
Here is the process I have in mind, it will take a month to complete but, if I
get
Thanks @gloom - will keep an eye out for it. Hope the medical went well.
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Happy Birthday TW! Thanks Jeremy, it's used here every day!
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@Gloom Looks interesting! Have you got a link to share?
@Mohammad - sorry for the delayed response - just a simple link to your active
TW-Scripts site was what I was thinking, not to any specific solution. After
your github problems I wasn't sure of the correct location. Thanks.
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I think I agree Mohammad, I was trying to illustrate my point in the previous
post that multiple 'silos' are a bad idea. Keep the conversation in a single
location gets my vote.
Do you still have a link to your solution sharing input form? It might be
something that could be discussed here.
Illustrating the multiple fora problem;
"There is also a discussion group specifically for discussing TiddlyWiki
documentation improvement initiatives":
http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywikidocs
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And Diego's just posted this. Eric's in a league of his own so a better example
and indicator of the size of the task would be hard to find.
https://github.com/ericshulman/InsideTiddlyWiki
https://tiddlytools.github.io/InsideTW/
Check out some of the documentation posts and you'll see it's a
https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM
Writing and Editing might have what you're looking for.
The documentation train is just leaving the platform a few posts down under
'What's the point of effort'. All aboard! No ticket required.
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Nice one TT! Collaboration, limited collectivism and sharing the load get my
vote.
In my opinion GG is actually TW's strongest resource at the moment.
*GG is a brain dump - a silo - anything and everything goes in it.
*GG is the reliable silo. The entire conversation takes place here. Splinter
Group hug guys, group hug.
https://youtu.be/mgmVOuLgFB0
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Wow - you've already done it! http://tidbitz.tiddlyspot.com/ is almost exactly
what I was thinking of. Could the buttons be made available to the editor
instead of the sidebar? Clickable instead of dragdropable? I think tidbitz
needs reviving - anything that lowers the bar for beginners has my
Yes, the top of the head the example came from was a little too close to the
ground at the time. ;)
I've only just twigged how useful the stamp tool can be.
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Interesting question TonyM, and maybe a great opportunity to fill a missing gap
in TW.
In my opinion there is a missing top layer in TW. It never received the final
buttons translating the dark wikitext incantations into a new-user friendly UI.
Consider MS Word - do I type at the command
Nice one, I like the simplicity and it's quite mobile friendly.
Here's some feedback;
The dash circle/icon and green open button do seem like duplicate functions.
Two buttons would be good for me;
1. a new sub-notebook button as you have it, but at the bottom. (easier access
on a mobile
Nice one. Couldn't find it in docs, should have taken more than a minute
(agenda joke!)
https://tiddlywiki.com/#StartupActions
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Thanks for this Steve, this script by Jed might help with the startup actions
if it still works with the latest release, I haven't tried it;
https://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/StartupActions/
I hope you keep going with Agendas, I've bolted Mohammad's todolist on to it as
an Agenda template
You are right Luis, no wonder I've been going round in circles!
Is this any help?
https://tiddlywiki.com/#NavigatorWidget
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In my experience no, it doesn't get any easier, but I'm an infinity monkey and
enjoy this as a break from Shakespeare's complete works.
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Nice one Luis! State tiddlers are the way to go, temporary 'storage' tiddlers
that let you write their field contents back where you want it, when you want
it;
https://tiddlywiki.com/#StateMechanism
The reveal is an extra refinement - thanks for sharing. Keep them coming.
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Ps and call it as <> if wikified.
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You're in the right direction but I think you have to define the concatenation
as a local macro at the top of the edit area put this;
\define final()
{{$:/_opTaskStore!!taskname}} - ({{{ [[]make[%uuid%]] }}})
\end
And then call it where you need it with;
<>
The uuid part may give problems.
If you search the forum for 'Variable Eric' and look for this discussion it
might help with the brackets;
Query 101 -- Where is the Crib Sheet for Bracket & Quote marks?
Sorry I can't get a direct link from the phone, don't think this works;
The brackets are a headache. Try this;
<$link to={{$:/_opTaskStore!!taskname}}>{{$:/_opTaskStore!!taskname}}
https://tiddlywiki.com/#LinkWidget
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The update with info links is working here Bimlas. Good stuff. Maybe set the
docs links to open in a new tab? Or a pop-up so we don't have to leave the
page? (Maybe not so mobile friendly though).
It definitely encourages use of the docs and discovery of filter operators I
might be a bit fuzzy
Congratulations, you've discovered state tiddlers. It took me years to discover
state tiddlers. Careful or they'll ask you to write the documentation.
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Nice! A lot more concise.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe your optaskstore is a nice example of a
state tiddler.
https://tiddlywiki.com/#StateMechanism
Good luck with the project.
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The update works here. A little twitchy, it needs the first square bracket and
a bit of tapping inside and outside of the text box but it autocompletes. Nice!
For me being able to get the filter to appear at the cursor in the text edit
area would be the ideal but that sounds like a tall order.
Hi MagoArcade
Here's one attempt. It looks like there's a bit of duplication but maybe that's
how you need it. Other forum users will almost certainly have better solutions
but this might work for you.
!Add Task
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Task Name: <$edit-text tiddler="NewTask" field=NewTask tag="input"
Hi Bimlas
Anything that helps remember the many possibilities is good.
Maybe a 'show all' option would be good? If I don't know a filter exists I
won't search for it.
Maybe a toggle switch between 'autocomplete' and 'link to docs'? Some users
still learning (me) need to see what a filter does.
50 years ago!
https://youtu.be/Vl89g2SwMh4
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Hi Steve
Tiddlymap is a beautiful thing! There was a similar question just the other day
- I hope Mat doesn't mind me quoting his answer to that;
"TiddlyMap is a project from one individual, Felix Kupper / Felix Hayashi. I
doubt anyone else can answer but he is, as far as I know, not very
Do you mean the 'created' and 'modified' fields?
https://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlerFields
If so I think they're built in and required. Might be possible to reset them to
dates of your choosing though.
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Great stuff! Thanks Mohammad and Hans. Another really useful component for the
TW toolkit.
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Beautiful! Thanks a lot Mohammad, it's surely done now!
I tweaked the css a little for my use with Quinoid on a smallish Android phone.
The tweaks worked for me but all phones are different of course, so maybe best
to backup Mohammad's original css templates if you're tempted to use these;
My experiments failed, I can't get arraySet to accept a transcluded value. I
was hoping to be able to pass the values to arraySet either from a field, a
macro or possibly from the values of another data tiddler. No luck so far. I
know it's not offered as an option but it seems like a useful
Thanks very much Mohammad! It works very well. With the dates 01 to 31 typed
into arraySet I can scroll through them and display events previously entered
for that date into another data tiddler. A diary viewer!
I'm now experimenting to see if the arraySet can be transcluded in from either
a
Breaking News - "Todolist not done!"
Nice Mohammad, would you be able to cycle through days of the month with this?
e.g. For a quick day view on a diary app?
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Hi haroulito
If you haven't already seen it there is another useful discussion here;
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/tiddlywiki/Aheyeybfydg
Bimlas and others comments towards the end offer some good tips.
Good luck!
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It's a data-tiddler driven beast of a todolist Mohammad!
With a framework that can be applied to many different applications - diary,
bird watching logger, run keeper, habit loop logger, geolocation logger,
anything time based that doesn't really need a full tiddler for each event. As
h0p3
Hi hOp3
I have a rather long-winded method of showing 'tasks' selected by index date.
It's not a calendar, more like a diary, but it may give you some ideas to work
with. I'm absolutely sure there are more efficient ways to do this but I only
started with data tiddlers recently and this evolved
Nice one Mohammad!
+1 for table 'width:100%' on mobile. I'm trying some of the css options here to
get the description text in full on mobile;
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1258416/word-wrap-in-an-html-table
By adding [[ ]] square brackets around input tasks they appear as links.
Maybe
I think there is a difference between ActionDeleteTiddlerWidget and
tm-delete-tiddler. Only the latter generates a confirmation dialogue.
$:/core/ui/Buttons/delete uses tm-delete-tiddler.
The confirmation message is in
$:/language/ConfirmDeleteTiddler
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It's ok, no need to do anything Mohammad, I worked it out. I just added
!is[system] to the first list filter in
$:/plugins/kookma/trashbin/viewtoolbar-button
Now it looks like this;
<$list filter="[all[current]!is[system]!tag[trash]!search:title[$:/trashbin/]]">
The trashcan now only appears
Thanks again Mohammad, I tweaked it a bit to get the values to show;
<$text text={{{ [<__tid__>get] }}} />
I replaced getindex with just get. (For the benefit of future readers.)
Great stuff Mohammad.
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No the trashbin button also appears on system tiddlers. For example I can send
$:/core to the trashbin.
I could delete $:/core using the existing, traditional, delete button as well I
suppose, but it's marginally harder to do on a phone. Just a 'heads up' in case
it wasn't what you intended.
That is a beautiful thing Mohammad. I really like the mechanism for converting
from 'tiddler with fields' to data tiddler and back again. I can see a lot of
uses for it besides the trashbin - a slightly easier 'export' method from
Quinoid on mobile for example.
My only suggestion is to prevent
These might help. Thomas Elmiger is the author and a wizz with the palette and
theme. Good luck.
https://tid.li/tw5/themes.html
https://tid.li/tw5/test/bricks.html
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Hi Mohammad
Could this be extended to show the field values as well?
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Has my plea been footile? It has just the opposite effect on me, I can't stop
thinking 'what's a foo?' I must be foolexic, or was on a bar stool the day they
covered it at school. Couldn't 'apples' be used instead?
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I hope you twizards know how much your contributions are valued and appreciated
but on behalf of non-programmers everywhere, the easily confused and all those
unfamiliar with the use and tradition behind the word 'foo' can I humbly
request that it is never used in examples relating to
Hi Ankit
The docs on the official site have some info and examples:
https://tiddlywiki.com/#addsuffix%20Operator
https://tiddlywiki.com/#addprefix%20Operator
https://tiddlywiki.com/#VarsWidget:VarsWidget
If you find them a bit sparse you could try TWScripts for more examples;
Working! Thanks very much Mat, it's very useful!
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Thanks for this Mat,
Got a problem on edit though. I'm losing the contents of my list field after
clicking on the edit pen (top left on the table), then clicking it again to
save.
Field names look correct and I get the same result on your demo site.
I used <> in a tiddler with a list field
Try this on an empty test wiki. Don't use it on your thousand plus geneaology
wiki without having made backups.
It's not a complete solution but it might give some help. You'll need to extend
it with more indexes/fields according to your needs. The wizards here on the
forum might have better
Here is an attempt that may or may not help you Chris. Try it out on an empty
test wiki first, I am not a wizard so please don't use it on your thousand plus
genealogy wiki, make backups of everything.
This should produce a data tiddler with matching fields for each input
individual. (data
Hi Chris
Do I understand what you want correctly?
Do you already have a lot of these genealogical records that you want to
convert from fields to data tiddlers?
Do you want to keep the existing fields and extract their content into a data
tiddler in the same tiddler's text area, for display
Thanks Jeremy!
For any readers new to data tiddlers, here's an input box that should generate
a diary-ish data tiddler. This example is automatically indexed with timestamps
and you enter the diary event values; e.g 'got up', 'fed the cat' etc.
Paste this code into a tiddler called Diary,
Sadly, I've only just started using data tiddlers, having previously regarded
them as esoteric tools for the wizards. They need better marketing.
I was getting very enthusiastic about them. 1 data tiddler potentially
replacing 365 journal tiddlers, plus all the tiddlers linking to the journals.
Thanks Mario, thanks Tony - I'll play with everything and become a data tiddler
ninja.
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Thank you TonyM and PMario for developing this further. It is much appreciated.
Data tiddlers have always been a mystery to me but I'm beginning to see how
useful they can be and anything that makes them more accessible is great for
beginners.
The documentation for creating them, appending
I'm dictating this into the body of a Tiddler using voice typing on Android
and as you can see accuracy is nearly 100% . On my Android phone, in
English, input to tiddlers with voice typing is easy and amazingly accurate.
The problem is with navigation, you can't open a Tiddler using
Hi steved
Do you mean the backlinks operator?
https://tiddlywiki.com/#backlinks%20Operator
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Thanks for taking this further PMario! I'm only just getting to grips with data
tiddlers but they seem to me to be similar to single column spreadsheets. They
have an index and a single column of values, and each value 'slot' is similar
to a spreadsheet's cell in just one column.
If I create 2
Thanks for taking this further PMario! Hope I'm not sounding like Forest Gump
here but data tiddlers seem to me to be similar to single column spreadsheets.
They have an index and a single column of values, and each value 'slot' is
similar to a spreadsheet's cell in just one column.
If I
Will do. All working on the pre-release so far. Thanks again, enjoy that snow.
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Thank you so much TonyM! Those are very useful solutions which I would never
have worked out myself. I'm sure others will find them helpful too - adding and
counting data tiddler values must be a common requirement but I couldn't find
anything on the forum. My run stats are now reborn. "Life is
Thanks TonyM, yes it's a data tiddler with index:value pairs.
01:1
02:0
03:1
04:1
05:0
etc.
Any clues on counting the '1' values much appreciated.
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I'm experimenting with data dictionaries and have one that records runs
completed. It has dates 01 to 31 as the index and either 0 or 1 as a value, 1
indicating a run completed on that date. e.g
01:1
02:0
03:1 etc
Runs completed=2
I'd like to count those '1' values in order to get a total
Thanks very much for this Bimlas, it's great. Very useful for podcasts!
Here's some feedback on some teething problems I'm getting, sounds negative but
it's not meant to:
I'm using it on my phone and the latest version is giving a RSOD on video
playback on duckduckgo browser (not on firefox) -
Very nice on mobile, thanks a lot Thomas! It's sparking joy.
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You could try upgrading. It is easy to do, but back-up your wiki first.
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Upgrading
Good luck
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Hi Adrian
Working here on a phone and laptop, no error messages but slow to open -
23 seconds. Like pmario says, you need a relaxing splash screen. Site is
looking good though, it's worth the wait.
On Thursday, 28 March 2019 08:37:59 UTC, Adrian Kee wrote:
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> Hi friends,
> i need help in
No, it doesn't show up in my plugin list either. I think it might be a macro
that has aspirations to plugindom.
If you look in the sidebar tabs > More > System then scroll down you should see
a tiddler called plugin/TWaddle/richlinks/main and then several richlinks
related tiddlers including
This works for me on Android and desktop and does several other formats beside
video which might be useful for your project.
http://richlinks.tiddlyspot.com
On android my filename looks something like this, but I think it works with
relative paths too;
<>
Search the forum for 'richlinks'.
Thank you Mark the geo apk works for me.
I had already allowed location permissions to the previous version so can't say
if it prompts for location or not. No prompts popped up anyway.
The wiki does now receive location info and acquires geo points via the geoloc
macro and displays maps via
It'll be the Ecosia browser I was using - I tried firefox and it was fine, no
javascript error. Thanks Mohammad.
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It still gives me the red javascript error message when I close those 2
tiddlers Mohammad. I don't do anything else. I'm looking at it on a phone
though - if nobody else gets it then it's probably just me. I'll wait and see.
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You're right, it's there.
A strange anomaly looking at it today though, if I click Home, I then have 2
tiddlers open - Tiddler Commander and $:/Commander. If I close them both I'm
getting the red java error message. Click Home again and it disappears,
replaced by the 2 tiddlers. Is it just me?
Great stuff Mohammad, it's looking very good and will be an essential plugin
for me.
What about a link to Tiddler Commander itself on that front page?
https://kookma.github.io/TW-Commander/#%24%3A%2FCommander
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Hi Mohammad
Tiddler Commander is looking better all the time. You are so prolific it is
hard to keep up with you! Thanks for your persistent efforts and developing
this very useful tool.
I have two requests to try and slow you down!
1. Is easy. Could you include a footer on all your forum
Hi Mark,
I got the json edit to work.
Some feedback;
Closing Quinoid via the '3 dots menu > exit' and then reopening it doesn't
refresh the file list or the Resources (json) list for me.
Closing Quinoid via the Android method, using Home button, then clear recent
apps and then reopen Quinoid
Hi Mark - successful here, Android 7.
Allowed install from unknown sources.
Installed over the top of existing Quinoid. Message 'do you want to update an
existing package?' - yes.
Storage and location permissions were still on from previous version.
Opened fine with my file list still there.
Hi S. S.
I looked at your docs and was convinced I could make them shorter. Now
after several hours I realise how bleedin difficult it is to write concise,
comprehensible docs. I salute your achievement!
I've attached my attempt but it's not much of an improvement as regards
brevity or
Thanks for posting this Adrian. On the TW side I agree with S.S. - breaking
everything down into smaller units might be another possible refinement. For
example a straight bibliographic list, in one place, of all the sources that
you have finally used and classified would be interesting. It
Nice! Thanks PMario.
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