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On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 6:17 PM Jeremy Ruston wrote: > Hi Mohammad > > Hi Jeremy, > Is there any way to start links on Tiddlywiki Community Links? This way > useful links will stay at top! > > > I’m guessing you mean “star”? The closest we have at the moment is for > people to download link

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Hi Mohammad > Is there any way to start links on Tiddlywiki Community Links? This way > useful links will stay at top! I’m guessing you mean “star”? The closest we have at the moment is for people to download link tiddlers to add to their own link wiki. The server for links.tiddlywiki.com

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Congratulations! TW Community Links by 2nd April 2021 has* 753 unique links*! A great number of resources! Special thanks to *Mark *and *Jeremy*! and I really appreciate the efforts by all other contributors. Best wishes Mohammad On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 9:30 PM Jeremy Ruston wrote: > Hi Mat

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Hi Jeremy, Is there any way to start links on Tiddlywiki Community Links? This way useful links will stay at top! Best wishes Mohammad On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 9:30 PM Jeremy Ruston wrote: > Hi Mat > > Some of my plugins are anachronisticly archaic from an antediluvian epoch. > > Maybe it's

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Mark, amazing effort. You have put the rest of us to shame! :) On Friday, 26 March 2021 at 18:06:37 UTC Mark S. wrote: > It looks like a great start! > > > > On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 9:44:12 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote: > >> I’ve added a very basic interactive search capability to

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It looks like a great start! On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 9:44:12 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote: > I’ve added a very basic interactive search capability to the aggregator. > > It just does a dumb case-insensitive literal match of the search string > against the tags, url and description

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On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 3:45:49 PM UTC+1 Soren Bjornstad wrote: > Is it reasonable to call something *deprecated* if it hasn't been > announced as such by the author? That's the best term I can think of, > though it is a little bit on the technical side. I think deprecated is the right

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On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 10:15:27 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote: > That’s from a technical perspective, but in terms of how we use it as a > community, we need to decide whether it’s more helpful to keep all the > links together or just to have a separate clone of the site for TWC.

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Mark S. wrote: > Everything works in place. But some of it may break when added to a modern > TW. > It's not quite black and white. If it absolutely didn't work, then the > solution would be to simply not include it. > RIGHT. And that was mainly my point. There is NO big issue over "older",

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David Gifford wrote: > separate ... for TWC. YES. I am sure that TWC deserves its own dedicated aggregator. TWC & TW5 are different animals and need different fodder. TT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from

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Yes, separate clone for TWC. New people would get terribly confused and frustrated having to figure out what works with which. On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 12:03:44 PM UTC-6 Mohammad wrote: > Hi Jeremy! > > If I can have one vote, then I will vote to have a separate clone for TWC! > Having

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Hi Jeremy! If I can have one vote, then I will vote to have a separate clone for TWC! Having both in one place will be confusing! Best wishes Mohammad On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 9:45 PM Jeremy Ruston wrote: > On 25 Mar 2021, at 17:08, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki < > tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com>

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Everything works in place. But some of it may break when added to a modern TW. It's not quite black and white. If it absolutely didn't work, then the solution would be to simply not include it. On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 10:22:10 AM UTC-7 TiddlyTweeter wrote: > Mark S. wrote: > >> Mat

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Mark S. wrote: > Mat wrote: > >> Some of my plugins are anachronisticly archaic from an antediluvian epoch. > > > *What matters is whether it still works* > RIGHT. I could not care less if Grandfather made it so long as it WORKS. Don't burden me with telling you are old IF you work. TT --

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On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 9:57:11 AM UTC-7 Mat wrote: > Some of my plugins are anachronisticly archaic from an antediluvian epoch. > > Maybe it's more constructive to put it into context by displaying a > last-updated date and what the TW version was at that time? > Does it matter? What

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> On 25 Mar 2021, at 17:08, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki > wrote: > > It's called TiddlyWikiLinks, not TiddlyWiki5Links. > > Are TWC links welcome? I always try to support TWC as an equal citizen to TW5 (see TiddlyFox, TiddlyDesktop, TiddlyWiki in the Sky for Dropbox). Thus, the aggregator

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It's called TiddlyWikiLinks, not TiddlyWiki*5*Links. Are TWC links welcome? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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Hi Mat > Some of my plugins are anachronisticly archaic from an antediluvian epoch. > > Maybe it's more constructive to put it into context by displaying a > last-updated date and what the TW version was at that time? When the scraper gets to the point of crawling the link targets we’ll be

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Some of my plugins are anachronisticly archaic from an antediluvian epoch. Maybe it's more constructive to put it into context by displaying a last-updated date and what the TW version was at that time? - Bug? or just me: When downloading a link from links.tiddlywiki.com, i.e by clicking

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I've added Obsolete to ImageMagick. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the

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If you try your hand at this, there is an incredible number of projects that haven't been touched in years. So it is unlikely that the authors will ever self-identify as "deprecated" (I've only come across one like that). I've been using "Deprecated" when I'm aware of something in the current

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“Deprecate” is a verb, and so I think there would indeed need to be someone doing the deprecating for it to properly work. The context for this is that we still get plenty of people confused that the stuff at https://tiddlytools.com/ doesn’t work with TW5. Cases like

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Is it reasonable to call something *deprecated* if it hasn't been announced as such by the author? That's the best term I can think of, though it is a little bit on the technical side. My concerns with the other suggestions: - "Obsolete" sounds like it is no longer necessary, it has been

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They all work *in situ*. And they all might be the basis of something rebooted. They just might not be the first choice for immediate use in a modern TW. So, how to gently convey that subtlety? On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 2:44:18 AM UTC-7 TiddlyTweeter wrote: > jeremy...@gmail.com wrote: >

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jeremy...@gmail.com wrote: > "Vintage" sounds desirable nowadays! We need to communicate that this > stuff is no longer usable, so maybe "Obsolete"? The description can explain > why it's still worth including. > TBH, I'm getting CONFUSED! :-) *Obsolete / Vintage / Oldish. *REALLY? GIVE

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How about *antiquated*? Or perhaps *disused*, which carries very little value judgment? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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Mark S, Quite a dilemma. It is *old* now because it was an *early* contribution. Then Hopefully people will search for *recent* contributions. Birthe - with thanks for all the great work, you are doing! onsdag den 24. marts 2021 kl. 23.23.06 UTC+1 skrev Mark S.: > I think it's still usable, it

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I think it's still usable, it just shouldn't be a first choice. Like "Creating a simple Contacts DB" is still a great introductory explainer about using ViewTemplates. Not everything that is old is undesirable. I hope. "Obsolete" suggests unusable or that there is a replacement, which isn't

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"Vintage" sounds desirable nowadays! We need to communicate that this stuff is no longer usable, so maybe "Obsolete"? The description can explain why it's still worth including. Best wishes Jeremy -- Jeremy Ruston jer...@jermolene.com https://jermolene.com > On 24 Mar 2021, at 20:13, 'Mark

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On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 12:38:18 PM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote: > > My thought about older items is that a single link to an older item could > be the starting point for someone to make something amazing. Like various > television reboots that are more interesting than the

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Hi Mark > Fixed skplugins. I've added URL counting to my working dashboard. Thanks, that's great. > My thought about older items is that a single link to an older item could be > the starting point for someone to make something amazing. Like various > television reboots that are more

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Fixed skplugins. I've added URL counting to my working dashboard. My thought about older items is that a single link to an older item could be the starting point for someone to make something amazing. Like various television reboots that are more interesting than the original, but benefit from

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It’s for us to decide collectively how we want the system to run, and we can keep changing it until it settles down into something that is useful for us. My starting position was to try to gently encourage brevity, but not to truncate or limit the length of the descriptions. That’s why, for

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Noticing that someone has just posted links with full length descriptions. So . how seriously do we need to take this description limit? Is it likely to change? What I've found with the links I've entered is that a lot of source descriptions contain unnecessary narrative, background,

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I've gone through and removed or disambiguated duplicates except for these older pages where it's not possible to permalink (AFAIK) : http://tiddlystuff.tiddlyspot.com/ 3 <#3> http://skplugins.tiddlyspot.com/ 4 <#4> http://tw5magick.tiddlyspot.com/ 5 <#5> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021

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Note that some links that have the same landing page actually have different descriptions and Tags. This is usually because the page was made before permalinks were available. Older TW's didn't have the permalink button, but did they still have permalinks? Is their some backward compatible

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One thing I’m noticing is that you have multiple $:/tags/Link entries pointing to the same URL. It doesn’t break the system or anything, but perhaps it would make more sense for the scraper to merge multiple entries with the same URL from the same contributor. We would merge the tags, and

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Hi Mark > I see the dangers of jumping the gun. Many of the titles I created have a > unique two character identifier prepended so that I didn't accidentally > overwrite existing tiddlers. Indeed, some of the changes we’re discussing here perhaps would need a bulk transformation applied to

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I see the dangers of jumping the gun. Many of the titles I created have a unique two character identifier prepended so that I didn't accidentally overwrite existing tiddlers. On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 5:53:14 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote: > Actually, thinking about it, perhaps

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On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 2:20:06 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote: > As it happens, I do plan an improvement which I think would address both >> issues: to start using Puppeteer to load each link URL, check for 404s, >> take a screenshot, extract the page title, and to record the URL

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Hi Mario > My tiddler titles are "link-friendly" [1] there is no slugify needed. The > disadvantage is, that linked-lists don't look good. What do you mean by “linked-lists”? We’ll still need to slugify titles for making URLs. > That's why I would like to use a "subtitle" field for lists.

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On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 1:53:14 PM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote: > Actually, thinking about it, perhaps there's an even more obvious option: > to use the original title of the $:/tags/Link tiddler, which the scraper > currently throws away. > My tiddler titles are "link-friendly" [1]

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Actually, thinking about it, perhaps there's an even more obvious option: to use the original title of the $:/tags/Link tiddler, which the scraper currently throws away. Best wishes Jeremy -- Jeremy Ruston jer...@jermolene.com https://jermolene.com > On 24 Mar 2021, at 12:51, PMario wrote:

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On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 10:17:14 AM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote: I wonder if we might simplify things further and switch to using two fields > to describe each link: a one-line heading that’s 5-10 words, and a longer, > optional description that usually requires a click to reveal. That’s

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> As it happens, I do plan an improvement which I think would address both > issues: to start using Puppeteer to load each link URL, check for 404s, take > a screenshot, extract the page title, and to record the URL after any > redirections. > > > If we extracted and saved the document title

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Hi Jeremy, > As it happens, I do plan an improvement which I think would address both > issues: to start using Puppeteer to load each link URL, check for 404s, > take a screenshot, extract the page title, and to record the URL after any > redirections. > > If we extracted and saved the

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> There should also be a tag to indicate "highest supported version" or > something similar if relevant (for plugins, for example) and its known. I’m hoping we’ll evolve a basic set of a couple of dozen universal tags that will adequately cover 80% of the entries, with no doubt a long tail of

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It turns out all it wanted was the namespace: http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; amazing how many tutorials you can look at that don't even mention namespace. On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 7:32:01 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi Mark > > That’s not valid SVG image file, it’s just an

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Hi Mark That’s not valid SVG image file, it’s just an SVG element. Although the type is correct, it’s missing the required preamble: http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/1.1/DTD/svg11.dtd;> I think you’ll also need a few more attributes on the SVG element: viewBox, version, xml. Best wishes

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On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 6:36:15 AM UTC-7 Mark S. wrote: > > Maybe it would work in the aggregator (haven't tried that yet), but it > would be nice if it also worked in the browser. > It was a 17 minute experiment, but it doesn't work in the aggregator either. -- You received this

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[image: marxsal-favicon.png] This is what my favicon looks like. Is there something wrong with the svg? Type? It doesn't show on the tab like a favicon should. Maybe it would work in the aggregator (haven't tried that yet), but it would be nice if it also worked in the browser. Thanks! On

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Hi Mark > On 22 Mar 2021, at 22:14, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki > wrote: > > That would work well enough, and be semi-intuitive in a TiddlyWiki sort of > way. That’s now live, and I’ve added a note to the about page. Best wishes Jeremy > > On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 2:09:28 PM UTC-7

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> > I can confirm that SVG favicons were already working. If they’re not working > for you there might be an issue with the image. Bear in mind that it needs to > be a full SVG image, with the type image/svg+xml, and not an SVG fragment as > with Mat’s attempt, Apologies, I believe it was

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I can confirm that SVG favicons were already working. If they’re not working for you there might be an issue with the image. Bear in mind that it needs to be a full SVG image, with the type image/svg+xml, and not an SVG fragment as with Mat’s attempt, Best wishes Jeremy > On 22 Mar 2021, at

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That would work well enough, and be semi-intuitive in a TiddlyWiki sort of way. On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 2:09:28 PM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi Mark > > Good idea. Do you think it would be enough to exclude "$:/" system tags? > > Best wishes > > Jeremy > -- > Jeremy Ruston >

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Hi Mark Good idea. Do you think it would be enough to exclude "$:/" system tags? Best wishes Jeremy -- Jeremy Ruston jer...@jermolene.com https://jermolene.com > On 22 Mar 2021, at 20:59, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki > wrote: > > It would be handy for link management purposes if system tags

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It would be handy for link management purposes if system tags (or some other tag with a designated prefix) could be ignored in processing. On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 10:25:48 AM UTC-7 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote: > I’ve created an issue: > >

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I’ve created an issue: https://github.com/TiddlyWikiLinks/TiddlyWikiLinks/issues/7 Best wishes Jeremy > On 22 Mar 2021, at 17:24, Jeremy Ruston wrote: > > > Hi Mark, > > Come to think of it, it's possible that SVG favicons

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Hi Mark, Come to think of it, it's possible that SVG favicons break things at present because they're text rather than binary. I'll have a look at fixing it, Best wishes Jeremy On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 5:21:42 PM UTC Mark S. wrote: > I would like to use an SVG rather than an image.

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I would like to use an SVG rather than an image. Changing the type to image/svg+xml didn't help. I'm guessing there is some tweak we have to make to the SVG ? > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group

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Thanks Dave, looks good now: Best wishes Jeremy > On 22 Mar 2021, at 16:34, David Gifford wrote: > > Just added an ico and it shows the type, so hopefully it will be right when > your system refreshes. > > On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 10:32:33 AM UTC-6 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi Dave

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Just added an ico and it shows the type, so hopefully it will be right when your system refreshes. On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 10:32:33 AM UTC-6 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi Dave > > Apologies, you do indeed have a $:favicon.ico tiddler. It’s actually > missing a type field, so it will be

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Hi Dave Apologies, you do indeed have a $:favicon.ico tiddler. It’s actually missing a type field, so it will be interpreted as wikitext. I haven’t tested things with an SVG favicon, but it may well work if the icon is fixed. Best wishes Jeremy. > On 22 Mar 2021, at 16:29, David Gifford

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Thanks, Jeremy! Hmmm... I did add the favicon tiddler, but maybe it was an svg rather than an ico file. Will fix this in a moment. On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 10:03:51 AM UTC-6 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi Dave > > Great, I’ve added your site: > >

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> Sorry if I missed something about this, but it looks as if automatic linking > of CamelCase is causing some dead links (for example TiddlyWiki in the > example tiddlers). Ouch, thank you, I’ve made an issue here: https://github.com/TiddlyWikiLinks/TiddlyWikiLinks/issues/5

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Mohammad's links are live here: https://links.tiddlywiki.com/contributors/kookma/ Best wishes Jeremy -- Jeremy Ruston jer...@jermolene.com https://jermolene.com > On 21 Mar 2021, at 19:46, Mohammad Rahmani wrote: > >  > Many thanks Jeremy! > > I have already created a PR. > > I hope

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Many thanks Jeremy! I have already created a PR. I hope these questions and answers help other contributors! Best wishes Mohammad On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 11:14 PM Jeremy Ruston wrote: > Hi Mohammad > > I followed the instructions and sent the resource url here: >

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Hi Mohammad > I followed the instructions and sent the resource url here: > https://kookma.github.io/TW-Resources/ > I am not sure if registering the site in sites.json is enough or one needs > to explicitly notify you by replying here! If you create a PR then I'll get a notification from

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Much appreciated! Best wishes Mohammad On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 9:56 PM Jeremy Ruston wrote: > So, your recommendation is: > > - setup a dedicated TW on GitHub or Tiddlyhost or any host accessible from > the net > - create a tiddler per resource with tag: $:/tags/Link and a field called >

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> So, your recommendation is: > > - setup a dedicated TW on GitHub or Tiddlyhost or any host accessible from > the net > - create a tiddler per resource with tag: $:/tags/Link and a field called > url: "address to resource" > > More questions: > Do I need to add description on tiddler body?

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Thanks Jeremy! On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 9:35 PM Jeremy Ruston wrote: > > Does this mean: I can set up a tiddler in one of my online wikis (e.g tag >> with $:/tags/Link and create a url field with address to my wiki say >> commander)? >> > > Yes, that's right. Ideally, the wiki shouldn't have too

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> Does this mean: I can set up a tiddler in one of my online wikis (e.g tag > with $:/tags/Link and create a url field with address to my wiki say > commander)? > Yes, that's right. Ideally, the wiki shouldn't have too much extraneous stuff apart from the links because it will be pulled by