Re: [tw5] Google Group Tags... Notes on utility & moderation?

Hi Tony Are you still arguing that we should open up the group moderation settings again? The only rationale I’m hearing is that we can clear up any accidental moderation mistakes. The primary reason that I’m not in favour of doing so is that it makes a poor experience for new or occasional

Re: [tw5] Google Group Tags... Notes on utility & moderation?

Jeremy, If the guidelines are clear and transparent it does not need everyone to read them, regular posters know what is agreed and will promote the guidelines in the community. Pinning is a great example, there was no standard set, so people did what they wanted. I for one thought it was a

Re: [tw5] Google Group Tags... Notes on utility & moderation?

I agree. Particularly if its not possible in GG (which I suspect it is not) to have an orthodox set alongside a freelance set (but seperate). It is also worth, perhaps, noting that the practical function of tags on GG might best be viewed *in the context of search* as, basically, FILTERS. They

Re: [tw5] Google Group Tags... Notes on utility & moderation?

In only two weeks (?) of de-moderation, the number of tags quadrupled. That number is too large for easy selection, and there's no definition for any of them. Worse, once you make and apply tags, there's no tool (unless in the moderator's kit) for making mass changes. So to fix "discusson",

Re: [tw5] Google Group Tags... Notes on utility & moderation?

I had a look at the current tags . They are a bit of a mess. There is overlap. Misspelling. One-offs that are redundant. Tags with too much specificity. A few really obscure ones. Overall there are too many for a reference point IMO. I

Re: [tw5] Google Group Tags... Notes on utility & moderation?

Ciao Mark S. Thanks for that pointer to List of tags in this GG . I am not sure if I'm dim overlooking it. I was looking for it when posting, not in the main console! Thanks! TT On Monday, 9 December 2019 19:23:47 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote: > > >

Re: [tw5] Google Group Tags... Notes on utility & moderation?

Hi Tony > * Leave moderation functions open to everyone, and provide guidance and > gentle encouragement when their actions affect other users My first concern is that people don’t read warnings. We’ve already got a bunch of important warnings at the top of the forum, the more we add the more

Re: [tw5] Google Group Tags... Notes on utility & moderation?

Jeremy, I think there is a third option; * Leave moderation functions open to everyone, and provide guidance and gentle encouragement when their actions affect other users Fine, If this method failed (in my view unlikely), well take another approach. Ironically I did not know pins affected

Re: [tw5] Google Group Tags... Notes on utility & moderation?

Mark S. wrote: > > You mean like on a tablet or touch screen? I don't think I could close it > by accident on a standard desktop. > I did it, as far as I can recall, only on the tablet. TT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To

Re: [tw5] Google Group Tags... Notes on utility & moderation?

On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 10:24:38 AM UTC-8, TiddlyTweeter wrote: > > > I also think that on "closing" there is a simple "fat finger" issue. > I have myself marked threads as closed by accident when they are still > open. > > You mean like on a tablet or touch screen? I don't think I

Re: [tw5] Google Group Tags... Notes on utility & moderation?

Mark S. wrote: > > The problem is that random people were closing out things simply because > they weren't interested in them. Probably they didn't realize that their > actions had global implications. > I also think that on "closing" there is a simple "fat finger" issue. I have myself marked

Re: [tw5] Google Group Tags... Notes on utility & moderation?

Go to the main TiddlyWiki GG page. Over on the right hand side it says "tags". Click on the link and it will take you to a page with all of the tags displayed. On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 9:53:38 AM UTC-8, TiddlyTweeter wrote: > > That is partly about documenting them though (note: I can't

Re: [tw5] Google Group Tags... Notes on utility & moderation?

The problem is that random people were closing out things simply because they weren't interested in them. Probably they didn't realize that their actions had global implications. For me, this makes reading harder. I see "closed", and then have to check again because I can't really trust the

Re: [tw5] Google Group Tags... Notes on utility & moderation?

Ciao Jeremy I have a suggestion. A thought. It is based on the idea *this group is pretty good at self-policing*. Allow people to do near anything BUT with a clear message up-top asking readers to indicate when something is not right. I myself has asked "why is this thread pinned?" and the

Re: [tw5] Google Group Tags... Notes on utility & moderation?

Hi Josiah > Ciao Jeremy > > The issue on this is that it was a pretty routine issue closing threads on > request previously. > It helps in that readers then know you don't need to bother reading that > thread. > Unless a moderator is reading everything it won't happen now. > > I hope we can

Re: [tw5] Google Group Tags... Notes on utility & moderation?

Ciao Jeremy The issue on this is that it was a pretty routine issue closing threads on request previously. It helps in that readers then know you don't need to bother reading that thread. Unless a moderator is reading everything it won't happen now. I hope we can get to some kind of consensus

Re: [tw5] Google Group Tags... Notes on utility & moderation?

Hi Josiah > I just noticed that it appears a reader can no longer "close" a thread. > > I assume that is a side effect of the recent changes in the admin system? > > Quite often authors of threads request that (as it is not possible for the > author of the thread to close it) it be closed when

Re: [tw5] Google Group Tags... Notes on utility & moderation?

Jeremy & Eric I just noticed that it appears a reader can no longer "close" a thread. I assume that is a side effect of the recent changes in the admin system? Quite often authors of threads request that (as it is not possible for the author of the thread to close it) it be closed when they

Re: [tw5] Google Group Tags... Notes on utility & moderation?

A third item to add to the list I just sent ... 3 - a pinned thread of "showcase" TiddlyWiki (We currently lack an adequate list of the rich wikis people have made with TW New users in particular would benefit from that) TT Given that this GG group is the "go-to" place for

Re: [tw5] Google Group Tags... Notes on utility & moderation?

> Jeremy, > > You are responding to my comments, Tony, Rather than Marks. Doh! My apologies, I mistyped but had of course realised that it was you! The fact is that we’ve had moderators quietly moderating the group since 2005, and I don’t think we’ve run into any problems in terms of lightness

Re: [tw5] Google Group Tags... Notes on utility & moderation?

Ciao Jeremy, TonyM & all. Jeremy Ruston wrote: > > It also seems like we need to be more transparent about the rules and > conventions we’re following to manage the group. I’d suggest adding a > tiddler to tiddlywiki.com in which we describe our approach (for example, > guidelines about when

Re: [tw5] Google Group Tags... Notes on utility & moderation?

Jeremy, You are responding to my comments, Tony, Rather than Marks. > > If there must be moderators I recommend as soft touch as much as > possible. > > I think it’s more about being consistent, transparent and respectful. > Effective moderation should be all but invisible. > That is in

Re: [tw5] Google Group Tags... Notes on utility & moderation?

Hi Mark > Happy to contribute. Personaly I prefer open as possible and close down only > if necessary. I think we all do. > I have had substantial online community development experience. Great. > If there must be moderators I recommend as soft touch as much as possible. I think it’s more

Re: [tw5] Google Group Tags... Notes on utility & moderation?

Jeremy Happy to contribute. Personaly I prefer open as possible and close down only if necessary. I have had substantial online community development experience. If there must be moderators I recommend as soft touch as much as possible. As I said before if you take away responsibility people

Re: [tw5] Google Group Tags... Notes on utility & moderation?

> > I could be wrong, but it looks like the feature has already been turned off. > I did feel that the original list of tags was too broad. It sounds like tagging is classified under the same “moderation” permission that governs the ability to pin posts. We could revert the change, but