[tw5] Re: [Thought] A difficult Logical Problem...

2019-07-09 Thread bimlas
Josiah, Just a quick thought: you might want to think about "text to UML diagram" tools like Mermaid flowchart (TiddlyWiki plugin

[tw5] Re: fields operator and macro parameter

2019-07-09 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
You're going to laugh ... <> On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 8:57:39 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote: > > Why fields operator in the below code does not work > > > \define mac1(tid) > <$list filter="[<__tid__>fields[]]" variable="fld"> > <$text text=<> /> > > > \end > > <> > > > Where tesTid is > > >

[tw5] fields operator and macro parameter

2019-07-09 Thread Mohammad
Why fields operator in the code does not work \define mac1(tid) <$list filter="[<__tid__>fields[]]" variable="fld"> <$text text=<> /> \end <> Where tesTid is created: 20190710030221986 field1: Hi field2: 123 modified: 20190710030313066 revision: 0 tags: [[tag 22]] tag1 title: testTid

[tw5] Re: Filter using tags

2019-07-09 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
The problem is that you have a separate list widget for every possibility. You can include more than one filter run in a filter expression (look for "filter run" on TiddlyWiki.com). Here's how you combine two of your tags: <$list filter="[is[current]tag[ImgDoug]] [is[current]tag[ImgGrey]]">

Re: [tw5] Re: [Thought] A difficult Logical Problem...

2019-07-09 Thread TonyM
> > It looks easy at Level 1. But at the level of my "Father's Eldest > Brother's Youngest Daughter's First Daughter" I'm not so sure. That is a > description of a relationship chain. How many tags would that be, just to > represent the linkages between "Father" and "First Daughter"? >

[tw5] Filter using tags

2019-07-09 Thread Patrick Gorman
Hi, I'm Patrick...I'm a student of Magenta Ann's design write studio class. She told me to post this question on here so I can get used to using this group... I'm trying to link back to a tiddler based on tags, but I only want the link to appear once. If there are multiple tags on one tiddler

[tw5] Re: [Thought] A difficult Logical Problem...

2019-07-09 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Mat wrote: > > In your image, could you encircle all the individual relations that should > be represented? > > And I'll say it right away, I'm not sure I can help, just so the > expectations don't jump too high. But, who knows. > Lovely of you to ask! Don't worry I'm not expecting a solution

Re: [tw5] Re: [Thought] A difficult Logical Problem...

2019-07-09 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Cioa TonyM Thanks for the positivity! I'm slightly skeptical as I been round this issue a few times :-) It looks easy at Level 1. But at the level of my "Father's Eldest Brother's Youngest Daughter's First Daughter" I'm not so sure. That is a description of a relationship chain. How many

[tw5] Re: New release: Locator 1.2.0 (search by tags, ToC showing related tags)

2019-07-09 Thread TonyM
Bimlas, That started me understanding it, yes. Basically an alternate way to browse any tag tree such as a TOC, is with the locator plugin *The locator side bar each tag you click on gets moved above the line, and only the tiddlers remaining with all the "above the line tags" will be listed

[tw5] Re: [TW5] List All Tiddlers

2019-07-09 Thread FFT
Tony, this helped my understanding quite a bit. Thank you! On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 4:00:54 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote: > > FFT > > SideBar > More > All > > $:/core/ui/MoreSideBar/All > <$list filter={{$:/core/Filters/AllTiddlers!!filter}} > template="$:/core/ui/ListItemTemplate"/> > > And the

[tw5] Re: [TW5] List All Tiddlers

2019-07-09 Thread TonyM
FFT SideBar > More > All $:/core/ui/MoreSideBar/All <$list filter={{$:/core/Filters/AllTiddlers!!filter}} template="$:/core/ui/ListItemTemplate"/> And the filter used is [!is[system]sort[title]] but mats will do the same. I think you need to define "my created tiddlers". If you have your

[tw5] Re: conditional filtering

2019-07-09 Thread TonyM
Vincent, In you set widget you have filter="[searchType[Categ]]" value="[search:tags{!!sortfield}sort[tags]]" *This is incorrect because the result comes from either the filter OR the value*. Once you correct that try again. Regards Tony On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 7:18:59 AM UTC+10, vpl

[tw5] Re: [TW5] List All Tiddlers

2019-07-09 Thread FFT
Thanks, however it lists all the tiddlers including the ones I didn't create, ie system ones. The default starting tiddler is just the default tiddlers when I open up the wiki. The default tiddlers are in the control panel > info tab. In the sidebar, if you go to the "more" tab and then "all"

Re: [tw5] Re: [Thought] A difficult Logical Problem...

2019-07-09 Thread TonyM
Josiah, If your main concern is to represent trees containing two parents like any genealogical tree it is already possible. It can be done with tags but much more easily with an alternate field. I would be happy to explore this further with you. HTML lists are just that - one dimensional

[tw5] Re: [Thought] A difficult Logical Problem...

2019-07-09 Thread Mat
In your image, could you encircle all the individual relations that should be represented? And I'll say it right away, I'm not sure I can help, just so the expectations don't jump too high. But, who knows. <:-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

[tw5] Re: [Thought] A difficult Logical Problem...

2019-07-09 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Mat Mat wrote: > > I know we've touched on this previously and that you're experienced in > this matter. Do you have an image of how such a visualization could look > and that you're hoping TW could replicated? > Nice of you ask. Thankyou! Of course I can draw them in TW manually. But for

[tw5] Re: New release: Locator 1.2.0 (search by tags, ToC showing related tags)

2019-07-09 Thread bimlas
TonyM, Compared to classic ToC, did you understand the plugin? I'm sorry I haven't done the tutorial yet, but it's here midnight, I'm not ready to do it today. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

[tw5] Re: New release: Locator 1.2.0 (search by tags, ToC showing related tags)

2019-07-09 Thread bimlas
Thanks, TonyM, it seems to work (while h0p3 do not changing the title of "Maps" tab), so I attaching the modified button: I've added two lines for it to open the right tabs: ... <$action-listops $tiddler="$:/state/bimlas/locator" $field="breadcrumbs" $filter=[[]]/> <$action-listops

[tw5] Re: [TW5] List All Tiddlers

2019-07-09 Thread Mat
The name of that tiddler is $:/core/ui/MoreSideBar/All so you can open it and see how it is constructed. you can also do <> I'm not sure what you mean with " within my own default starting tiddler"? <:-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

[tw5] Re: New release: Locator 1.2.0 (search by tags, ToC showing related tags)

2019-07-09 Thread bimlas
Wow... o_O Since I found ActionSetFieldWidget , I'm not sure that this is not possible... 2019. július 10., szerda 0:00:24 UTC+2 időpontban bimlas a következőt írta: > > h0p3, > > Unfortunately, as far as I know, this is not possible. To understand

[tw5] Re: New release: Locator 1.2.0 (search by tags, ToC showing related tags)

2019-07-09 Thread TonyM
Bimlas/H0p3, It is fine to change the content in $:/state/tab/sidebar--595412856 The tiddlername is most likely generated using the Qualify macro. It is the same on tiddlwiki.com and the pre-release. The worst case is if this changes is the sidebar tab will not change. H0p3 of course you can

Re: [tw5] Re: [Thought] A difficult Logical Problem...

2019-07-09 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Jeremy Ruston wrote: > I think there are many structures that are easy enough to hold in our > heads but actually very hard to render as a 2D snapshot of a graph. It > feels to me that progressive disclosure is required to “unroll” the > portions of a potentially infinite visualisation space

[tw5] Re: [Thought] A difficult Logical Problem...

2019-07-09 Thread Mat
@TiddlyTweeter wrote: > > NO. Its the RELATION > I know we've touched on this previously and that you're experienced in this matter. Do you have an image of how such a visualization could look and that you're hoping TW could replicated? <:-) -- You received this message because you are

[tw5] Re: [TW5] refresh a tiddler

2019-07-09 Thread FFT
Although it only works in Firefox. Can it work in Chrome? On Tuesday, October 25, 2016 at 1:12:46 PM UTC-7, FFT wrote: > > Thanks Mark and others; it's working for me now. > > On Tuesday, October 25, 2016 at 1:07:00 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote: >> >> Just looked at the time. Once again, I think all

[tw5] [TW5] List All Tiddlers

2019-07-09 Thread FFT
I want to list all my tiddlers (not the system ones). I see it in the sidebar under "more", but what is the code to display it within my own default starting tiddler? Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from

[tw5] Re: New release: Locator 1.2.0 (search by tags, ToC showing related tags)

2019-07-09 Thread bimlas
h0p3, Unfortunately, as far as I know, this is not possible. To understand why, create a new tiddler with the following content: <> Switch between tabs and watch this tiddler: new state tiddlers are created, such as $:/state/tab/sidebar--595412856. If you open these tiddlers and switch

Re: [tw5] Interface appears to be readonly (no edit buttons) with authenticated-user-header

2019-07-09 Thread Nicola Worthington
Hi Jeremy, Wow, quick response! I double checked the status request, which looks correct as expected However there was a custom version of the core syncer.js module shadow tiddler. I removed that from disk and restarted, and it now worked perfectly. Bit embarrassing I didn't think of that.

[tw5] Re: conditional filtering

2019-07-09 Thread vpl
Hi, I've tried this direction but block ... Here is where I am I want to perform a list on either the Category of the free text WHen I run the bolow code, even if I click on the different radio button the <> does not change ... Any help ... Regards <$radio field="searchType"

Re: [tw5] Filtering on "subtags"

2019-07-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Steve > Ah, I clearly need to explain better. > > I have parent tiddlers: A, B, C, D, etc. each tagged "parent" > > I have child tiddlers: A1, B1, C2, D2, etc. (they are not tagged "child", but > are tagged with the name of the parent tiddler > > I need to have a template to manage the

[tw5] Re: [Thought] A difficult Logical Problem...

2019-07-09 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Mat wrote: > > I'm not sure you may even understand what I'm talking about. >> > > Correct ;-) > :-) > Is the "starting point" the daughter? > NO. Its the RELATION between the father and the mother (neither independent of the other, the* relationship* creates the duaghter). In other words,

Re: [tw5] Re: Click to expand all button?

2019-07-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Mario > On 8 Jul 2019, at 13:47, PMario wrote: > > That's OK, as long as we prepare the core TOC, to be extendable by plugins. The only sense in which the TOC macros should be extendable is by local overrides of the internal macros (e.g. a local override of <>). If a plugin wants to make

[tw5] Re: [Thought] A difficult Logical Problem...

2019-07-09 Thread Mat
> > I'm not sure you may even understand what I'm talking about. > Correct ;-) Is the "starting point" the daughter? And you want a view of how relationships propagate upward? Repeat for those on email Do the people using the email lists never get the initial message of a thread? <:-)

Re: [tw5] Re: [Thought] A difficult Logical Problem...

2019-07-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston
I think there are many structures that are easy enough to hold in our heads but actually very hard to render as a 2D snapshot of a graph. It feels to me that progressive disclosure is required to “unroll” the portions of a potentially infinite visualisation space that we want to explore (much

Re: [tw5] Interface appears to be readonly (no edit buttons) with authenticated-user-header

2019-07-09 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Nicola Thanks for the clear report. It's not immediately obvious what’s going on. The visibility of the editing controls is determined by the value of $:/status/IsReadOnly; you should be able to manually set it to “yes” and get back the edit controls. In that case it would be interesting to

[tw5] Re: [Thought] A difficult Logical Problem...

2019-07-09 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Repeat for those on email On Tuesday, 9 July 2019 22:50:40 UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote: > > This a difficult logical problem, not just in TW, but in much sortware. > > Bear with me. > > An issue is we use HTML lists for representation of structural hierarchy. > > We go good at nesting them and

[tw5] Re: New release: Locator 1.2.0 (search by tags, ToC showing related tags)

2019-07-09 Thread h0p3
Thank you for the update! I have a question which is off topic, and please feel free to tell me to go figure out. How can I make the locator sidebar button in the view toolbar automatically open the Locator sidebar tab? I might, for example, be in the Recent tab in the sidebar, and when I

[tw5] Interface appears to be readonly (no edit buttons) with authenticated-user-header

2019-07-09 Thread Nicola Worthington
Hey guys and gals. I have just upgraded my TiddlyWiki to 5.1.19 running under Node v12.6.0 in an Alpine Docker container (node:12-alpine). Previously I was running TW 5.1.16 under node:9.5.0-alpine, using the older deprecated --server argument. Since upgrading to the latest version, I have

[tw5] Re: Filtering using field content

2019-07-09 Thread Magenta Ward
Thank you very much, Mark, that's exactly what I was looking for. Again thank you for your help Magenta Ann On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 11:18:11 AM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote: > > As described, it seems like you want something like: > > <$list filter="[field:section[Academic Support Services]]"> >

[tw5] Re: Click to expand all button?

2019-07-09 Thread passingby
On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 7:57:58 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote: > > Hello Passingby, > > Have a look at TW-Scripts > > https://kookma.github.io/TW-Scripts/#Open%20All%20Tiddlers%20Meet%20Some%20Criteria > > You find small code to open all tiddlers meed some criteria! > As Jeremy recommends it is

[tw5] Applying the BJ's Flexitype-Plugin to custom view Template fields.

2019-07-09 Thread Jan
Hi Everyone, hi BJ in particular. The Flexitype Plugin has helped me a lot so far, in creating an editor for stage/screenplays. Some time ago I had the idea to use it in a different way. Would it be possible to apply it to a field called Dialogue which is transcluded into the ViewMode if it

[tw5] Re: Order of styleshhet tiddlers in 5.1.20pre

2019-07-09 Thread Mohammad
Hi Mario, Thank you for confirming this. I opened a ticked at GitHub https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/4082 Best Mohammad On Tuesday, July

Re: [tw5] Filtering on "subtags"

2019-07-09 Thread Mat
Maybe <$set name=current value=<>> <$list filter="[is[current]tags[]tag[parent]" variable=parent> <$list filter="[tag]"> This is a child <:-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

Re: [tw5] Filtering on "subtags"

2019-07-09 Thread Steven Schneider
Ah, I clearly need to explain better. I have parent tiddlers: A, B, C, D, etc. each tagged "parent" I have child tiddlers: A1, B1, C2, D2, etc. (they are not tagged "child", but are tagged with the name of the parent tiddler I need to have a template to manage the presentation of child

[tw5] Re: Filtering using field content

2019-07-09 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
As described, it seems like you want something like: <$list filter="[field:section[Academic Support Services]]"> But that seems too simple. So perhaps an example of what kind of listings/outputs your are expecting would be helpful. Looking through your handbook, it seems there is some broken

Re: [tw5] Would it be possible to import a .tid-files (or Jsonp-files) from a webfolder?

2019-07-09 Thread Jan
Hi everybody, I still have not found out, how this is done. Can anyone explain the mechanism a little more detailed? Is there a proof of concept somewhere? Jan Am 15.11.2018 um 22:37 schrieb Jeremy Ruston: Hi Mark Can the script tag be used anywhere during loading, or was that for just for

[tw5] Re: Filtering using field content

2019-07-09 Thread PMario
Hi I did include a small example tiddler, that can be downloaded and drag & drop imported to tiddlywiki.com so you can test it. If you import it to https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/tocP/ you can have even more fun with the "test" tiddler have fun! mario -- You received this message

[tw5] Filtering using field content

2019-07-09 Thread Magenta Ward
I have been struggling with trying to create a filter based on the value of a field without using tags I have 50 tiddlers all with a field called subsection, the value of the field can either be, technology, conduct, or services. I would like to create a list that would separate all of the

Re: [tw5] Filtering on "subtags"

2019-07-09 Thread Xavier Cazin
Hi Steve, What about using the *tagging* operator like so: [tag[Canis]tagging[]] ? Cheers, -- Xavier Cazin On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 8:55 PM Steven Schneider wrote: > Hi everyone, I sense that others' have asked but I can't quickly find in > the group: > > How would I filter on a tiddler being

Re: [tw5] Apply a multi part filter to a list - how?

2019-07-09 Thread Xavier Cazin
Hi Mat, >From what I understand, the only piece that is missing in your compound filter is the *subfilter* operator. This should work as expected: <$list filter="[suffix[berry]] [tag[tasty]]" variable=part> <$list filter="tastyapple blueberry rottenbanana lingonberry +[ subfilter]"> <$list>

[tw5] Re: Interactive SVG Image Map Not Responsive

2019-07-09 Thread A Gloom
Attached is a tiddler with edits I did to the ladt four hover zones for high lighting and links. Its in plain text since its not a complete svg but the code can be copy and pasted into a svg. Its done with light colors on dark background cause I can't work with light backgrounds due to my eyes

[tw5] Re: Creating and Selling Software Tools based on Tiddlywiki

2019-07-09 Thread Jed Carty
I think that this points to some fundamental philosophical disagreements about what we are trying to make with tiddlywiki that would take up more space than is appropriate here. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe

[tw5] Re: Interactive SVG Image Map Not Responsive

2019-07-09 Thread A Gloom
> I've made some progress, but GG keeps deleting my message, so I can't > detail or show evidence of what I've done. Not sure what's going on, this > is the third time I've typed this out. > Understood, GG has done it to me before > Interactivity is working. I can't show you what I did

[tw5] Re: New release: Locator 1.2.0 (search by tags, ToC showing related tags)

2019-07-09 Thread bimlas
TonyM, I've added a classic Table of Contents to the sidebar, please compare the behaviour with Locator to have a better understanding. I really regret that I can express myself so hard. Thank you very much if you could fix and add to the Locator and Kin filter documentation because I

[tw5] Re: Tiddlers starting with '+' or '-' might as well be illegal.

2019-07-09 Thread PMario
Hi, I think your points are all valid. You should raise an issue at github. -m -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[tw5] Re: Tiddlers starting with '+' or '-' might as well be illegal.

2019-07-09 Thread TonyM
That is a good practice because even [[My Dashboard]] needs delimiting. Regards Tony On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 5:48:24 PM UTC+10, Flibbles wrote: > > That's understandable. Another solution would be requiring tiddlers > starting with + - ~ to be wrapped in brackets in stringified lists. > >

[tw5] Re: New release: Locator 1.2.0 (search by tags, ToC showing related tags)

2019-07-09 Thread TonyM
I am starting to understand it, How do we get Family tree of Ford Larry's Cookbook to appear below the line? Does this sound right? *In the locator side bar each tag you click on gets moved above the line, and only the tiddlers remaining with all the "above the line tags" will be listed

[tw5] Re: New release: Locator 1.2.0 (search by tags, ToC showing related tags)

2019-07-09 Thread TonyM
Bimlas, You may find putting tooltips on your buttons in the sidebar, that says what pressing that button does, will help. Something in your text or example still confuses me, sorry, I need to be honest because you work deserves attention. Regards Tony On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 5:34:36 PM

[tw5] Re: Tiddlers starting with '+' or '-' might as well be illegal.

2019-07-09 Thread Flibbles
That's understandable. Another solution would be requiring tiddlers starting with + - ~ to be wrapped in brackets in stringified lists. Illegal: tiddlerA [[tiddler with spaces]] --My-Dashboard-- Legal: tiddlerA [[tiddler with spaces]] [[--My-Dashboard--]] On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 3:45:30 AM

[tw5] Re: Tiddlers starting with '+' or '-' might as well be illegal.

2019-07-09 Thread TonyM
Fibbles I think as a rule we try and keep the available characters we can use in tittles as broad as possible. Any way, I will leave it to the developers to comment. Regards Tony On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 5:37:12 PM UTC+10, Flibbles wrote: > > Right. That's correct. That's why they're not

[tw5] Re: conditional filtering

2019-07-09 Thread TonyM
Vincent, See The https://tiddlywiki.com/#subfilter%20Operator and note how myFilter is defined in the set widget. Others include a filter from a tiddler filter="{tiddlerwithfilter}" or the whoile filter filter={{tiddlerwithfilter}} However you could use the select widget and one of those

[tw5] Re: Tiddlers starting with '+' or '-' might as well be illegal.

2019-07-09 Thread Flibbles
Right. That's correct. That's why they're not equivalent. Filter syntax has special use cases for when filter runs start with + - ~, but lists don't care about that. A word starting with + - ~ in a list is just interpreted as part of the tiddler title. I think the list parser should treat them

[tw5] Re: New release: Locator 1.2.0 (search by tags, ToC showing related tags)

2019-07-09 Thread bimlas
TonyM, You are not the only one who does not fully understand the plugin. Recently it has been indicated by others, so I definitely create a tutorial (I hope today). In the meantime, I tried to improve the documentation and fixed a small bug, I hope it has become clearer. 2019. július 9.,

[tw5] Re: Tiddlers starting with '+' or '-' might as well be illegal.

2019-07-09 Thread TonyM
See this documentation for the use of + - ~ tiddler name, perhaps this is where this is coming from https://tiddlywiki.com/#Filter%20Expression Tony On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 4:03:27 PM UTC+10, Flibbles wrote: > > I'm writing plugins, and for a while, I was working under the assumption >

[tw5] conditional filtering

2019-07-09 Thread vpl
Hi, I would like to define a filter for listing values in a table which would be based on radio button value I explain I want to have 2 mode of selecting the filter criteria: - Either a $select which provides a list of preconfigured categories or - <$edit-text tiddler="StdSearchInput"

[tw5] Re: Interactive SVG Image Map Not Responsive

2019-07-09 Thread Spooky Noodle
I've made some progress, but GG keeps deleting my message, so I can't detail or show evidence of what I've done. Not sure what's going on, this is the third time I've typed this out. Interactivity is working. I can't show you what I did to make it work, because GG will just delete it again,

[tw5] Re: Order of styleshhet tiddlers in 5.1.20pre

2019-07-09 Thread PMario
Hi, That's a bug. You should open a ticket at github. -m -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to

[tw5] Tiddlers starting with '+' or '-' might as well be illegal.

2019-07-09 Thread Flibbles
I'm writing plugins, and for a while, I was working under the assumption that lists are just a subset of filters, which is super convenient in many cases. tiddlerA tidderB [[tiddler with spaces]] can be interpreted as either. However, it's not actually true. If you have a tiddler that starts