[tw5] Request for help (Dutch translation)

[Ton Gerner]

For TW 5.1.6 (6 years ago) I made the Dutch translation and updated it 
since then.
Due to lack of time I cannot update it anymore.
I noticed some Dutch speaking members in the group; therefore I ask if 
someone can take over updating the Dutch translation.

Thanks in advance,

Ton


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Re: [tw5] Request for help (Dutch translation)

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jeremy,

Thanks for your kind words.
I hope someone will take over.

Best regards,

Ton


On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 11:59:38 AM UTC+2 Jeremy Ruston wrote:

> Thanks Ton, I'll be sorry to no longer receive your regular updates, I 
> think Dutch has been amongst the most consistently up-to-date translations 
> in the core. I'm sure your commitment has been deeply appreciated by Dutch 
> speakers.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Jeremy
>
> --
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> jer...@jermolene.com
> https://jermolene.com
>
> On 5 Jun 2021, at 16:06, Ton Gerner  wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> For TW 5.1.6 (6 years ago) I made the Dutch translation and updated it 
> since then.
> Due to lack of time I cannot update it anymore.
> I noticed some Dutch speaking members in the group; therefore I ask if 
> someone can take over updating the Dutch translation.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Ton
>
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[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki 5.0.7-beta

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Danielo,

Today I upgraded all my guides mentioned at [1] to 5.0.7beta without any 
problem (drag & drop to an empty.html of 5.0.7beta). 
Using Windows 7 64-bit and Firefox v26/Chrome v32
That means I am still using all CSS styles in my stylesheets within 'triple 
backticks' without any problem.
The stylesheet you mention is used in my guide about a top menu and 
toolbars [2].

Cheers,

Ton

[1] http://tongerner.tiddlyspot.com/
[2] http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/

On Sunday, January 26, 2014 11:57:23 PM UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> Ok, first issue here:
>
> If I drop this tiddler on TW5.0.7 I get a Javascript Internal error error.
> It has the tags $:/tags/stylesheet and topmenu. The title 
> is: $:/stylesheet/topmenu
>
> This is the content.
>
> ``` /* STYLES FOR A TOP MENU WITH TOOLBAR BUTTONS */ /* + STYLES FOR OTHER 
> TOOLBARS */ /* DISTINCTION BETWEEN MOBILE MEDIA & STANDARD MEDIA */ /* 
> MOBILE MEDIA MAX. 770px */ @media (max-width: 770px) { html .sidebar-header 
> { padding : 42px 0 0 15px; } /* TOP MENU */ html .tw-topmenu { padding : 0 
> 15px; } } /* STANDARD MEDIA MIN. 770px */ @media (min-width: 770px) { /* 
> TOP MENU */ html .tw-topmenu { padding : 0px 42px; } } /* TOP MENU, FIXED 
> IN POSITION */ html .tw-topmenu { background : #EFEFEF !important; /* as 
> background */ height : 45px; margin : 0; position : fixed; top : 0; left : 
> 0; width : 100%; z-index : 99; } /* TOP MENU CLEARANCE */ /* TO AVOID THE 
> TOP MENU OBSCURES PART OF TIDDLERS */ /* transform : translate(0px, 56px); 
> for standard buttons ViewToolbar */ /* transform : translate(0px, 51px); 
> for small buttons ViewToolbar above title */ /* transform : translate(0px, 
> 44px); idem + smaller title 0.9em */ /* these are just indications; adjust 
> for aligning Wiki title - tiddler title */ html .story-river { padding-top 
> : 0px; transform : translate(0px, 44px); /* Firefox */ -ms-transform : 
> translate(0px, 44px); /* IE 9 */ -webkit-transform : translate(0px, 44px); 
> /* Safari and Chrome */ } /* PADDING TIDDLERS */ /* no top padding in case 
> of small buttons in ViewToolbar */ html .tw-tiddler-frame { padding : 0px 
> 32px 32px 32px; } /* FLOAT RIGHT */ /* PUSHES THE TOGGLE BUTTONS TO THE 
> RIGHT OF THE TOP MENU */ .floatright { float : right; } /* TIDDLER BUTTONS: 
> VIEWTOOLBAR, EDITTOOLBAR */ html .tw-tiddler-controls button svg { height : 
> 0.5em; } /* DISTANCE BETWEEN BUTTONS */ /* Firefox margin: 0px 0px 0px 0px; 
> */ /* Chrome margin: 0px 0px 0px 10px; */ /* adjust to your liking */ html 
> .tw-tiddler-controls button { margin : 0px 0px 0px 5px; } /* TITLE - 
> TOOLBAR SPACING VIEWTEMPLATE */ html .tw-tiddler-title-space { font-size : 
> 1.4em; line-height : 1em; } /* DISPLAY IN 3 COLUMNS */ /* for List all tags 
> */ .threecolumns { display : block; column-count : 3; -moz-column-count : 
> 3; -webkit-column-count: 3; } /* HELP TABLE */ /* styles the Help menu */ 
> html .help-table { font-size: 0.9em; background-color : #EEF4FD !important; 
> /* as background */ } /* SCALE SVG IMAGES IN HELP TABLE' */ html .tw-images 
> svg { height : 1.1em; } ```
>
>
>
> A bit sad since I really wanted the Highlight feature. 
>
>  
> El domingo, 26 de enero de 2014 22:33:09 UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez escribió:
>>
>> Awesome!!!
>> I was waiting for this so much!
>> I will try it out.
>>
>> Is any incompatibility expected? 
>> The new filter operands are from the Stephan widgets?
>>
>> Thank you very much for this awesome work.
>>
>> El domingo, 26 de enero de 2014 22:20:36 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston escribió:
>>>
>>> TiddlyWiki 5.0.7-beta has just been released at:
>>>
>>> http://tiddlywiki.com/
>>>
>>> Particular thanks to Mario Pietsch, Stephan Hradek and João Bolila for 
>>> their GitHub contributions to this release. And thanks to everyone whose 
>>> feedback here has helped to shape and improve this release.
>>>
>>> This release improves the documentation documentation:
>>>
>>> * A new video tutorial: TiddlyWiki on Firefox for Android Video
>>> * A first pass at TiddlyWiki Coding Style Guidelines
>>> * Added an explanation of TemplateTiddlers
>>> * Added documentation for saving on a custom PHP server
>>> * Added documentation for TextWidget
>>> * Summary of the approach for Naming of System Tiddlers
>>>
>>> New features for 5.0.7
>>>
>>> * Added support for importing encrypted TiddlyWiki documents
>>> * Added several new filter operators, including reverse, first, last, 
>>> butlast, rest, nth
>>> * Extend list filter operator to allow other fields to be used via a 
>>> TextReference
>>> * Added emacs and vim keymapping support to the CodeMirror plugin
>>> * Added the highlight.js syntax highlighting plugin: 
>>> http://tiddlywiki.com/highlightdemo.html
>>> * Added the first export option to the Tools tab of the control panel
>>> * Added an ellipsis for advanced search next to the search box in the 
>>> sidebar
>>>
>>> Bug fixes include:
>>>
>>> * Fixed problem with default format of ViewWidget substituting secon

[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki 5.0.7-beta

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Mario,

Thanks for the comments.
I had not thought about the text/css type.
The !important is a left-over from old days (alpha10 or so). I'll look into 
that.

Cheers,

Ton

On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:12:54 PM UTC+1, PMario wrote:
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2014 3:41:06 PM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>
>> That means I am still using all CSS styles in my stylesheets within 
>> 'triple backticks' without any problem.
>> The stylesheet you mention is used in my guide about a top menu and 
>> toolbars [2].
>>
>
> Hi Ton, 
> If you want to display the stylesheet tiddler as text, just use 
>
>type: *text*/
> *css*
> You may need to type it by hand, since the dropdown doesn't know it. 
>
> So you don't need to use "non CSS markup in your tiddler". It may fail 
> with weired errors in the future. Such errors are very hard to track down, 
> after 1 year or 2 :/ 
>
> There is a second thing I just saw in the style sheets. If !important is 
> really needed, then imo the base theme concept is broken because !important 
> is viral. So everyone else that want's to modify your theme, will need 
> important keyword too. So if there are 2 more iterations you'll end up 
> having !important all over the places.   I'll need to investigate, to 
> be sure. 
>
> -mario
>

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[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki 5.0.7-beta

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Danielo,

I didn't try the highlight plugin, but the problem is known by Jeremy.

Glad to hear the tutorials are helpful.

Cheers,

Ton

On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:49:09 PM UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> Hi Ton, 
>
> Did you tried with the highlight plugin installed? I told it several 
> times, this only occurs with that plugin. Just give it a try and let me 
> know ;) 
> Regards 
>
> AD:your tutorials are very helpful, Thank you very much 
>
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[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki 5.0.7-beta

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jeremy,

Is it allowed to use ... around the styles in the stylesheet 
while using txt/css as type?

Cheers,

Ton

On Monday, January 27, 2014 9:47:01 PM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Hi Jeremy,
>
> On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:49:32 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> You should only store stylesheets as text/css if they don't contain any 
>> TW5 macros or transclusions. If you use transclusions and macros (like the 
>> stylesheets in the core themes), then it is perfectly OK to use triple 
>> backticks to mark sections that you want to exclude from wikification.
>>
>  
> OK, I didn't know and had no problems with triple backticks.
>
> Anyhow, it looks far better with triple backticks (more readable) than 
> when I change it to txt/css, see atttachments (in edit mode it looks fine).
>
> Is there another possibility to show it like code shows?
>
> If it is needed to change to txt/css it will be handy if:
>
> 1) txt/css is in the list of types
> 2) there is a note in the documentation (searching for stylesheet gives 
> only something about the tag $:/tags/stylesheet)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>  
>
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Ton Gerner  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mario,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the comments.
>>> I had not thought about the text/css type.
>>> The !important is a left-over from old days (alpha10 or so). I'll look 
>>> into that.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Ton
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:12:54 PM UTC+1, PMario wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, January 27, 2014 3:41:06 PM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> That means I am still using all CSS styles in my stylesheets within 
>>>>> 'triple backticks' without any problem.
>>>>> The stylesheet you mention is used in my guide about a top menu and 
>>>>> toolbars [2].
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Ton, 
>>>> If you want to display the stylesheet tiddler as text, just use 
>>>>
>>>>type: *text*/
>>>> *css *
>>>> You may need to type it by hand, since the dropdown doesn't know it. 
>>>>
>>>> So you don't need to use "non CSS markup in your tiddler". It may fail 
>>>> with weired errors in the future. Such errors are very hard to track down, 
>>>> after 1 year or 2 :/ 
>>>>
>>>> There is a second thing I just saw in the style sheets. If !important 
>>>> is really needed, then imo the base theme concept is broken because 
>>>> !important is viral. So everyone else that want's to modify your theme, 
>>>> will need important keyword too. So if there are 2 more iterations you'll 
>>>> end up having !important all over the places.   I'll need to 
>>>> investigate, to be sure. 
>>>>
>>>> -mario
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
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>> mailto:jeremy...@gmail.com
>>  
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[tw] Re: Announcing TiddlyWiki 5.0.7-beta

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jeremy,

A little bit confusing, partly my fault.

I entered txt/css instead of text/css which gave "unreadable" styles, like 
when there is no type at all.

But text/css is not in the list of type to be selected. Mario said: Add it 
manually.
But there is a Plain text (text/plain) entry in the type list which gives 
the same result.
Both text/css and text/plain do show the styles in "readable" form.

Is there a difference in types between text/css and text/plain?
If there is no difference, change the type to "Plain text (text/css)" That 
will be less confusing.

Cheers,

Ton

On Monday, January 27, 2014 10:42:58 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Ton
>
>>
>> Is it allowed to use ... around the styles in the stylesheet 
>> while using txt/css as type?
>>
>
> No, you can't insert  within the text of text/css tiddlers because 
> the text within the tiddler is not subject to wiki processing. But the 
> entire tiddler will be displayed in  tags anyhow, because it's a text 
> tiddler.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>  
>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 27, 2014 9:47:01 PM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Jeremy,
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:49:32 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You should only store stylesheets as text/css if they don't contain any 
>>>> TW5 macros or transclusions. If you use transclusions and macros (like the 
>>>> stylesheets in the core themes), then it is perfectly OK to use triple 
>>>> backticks to mark sections that you want to exclude from wikification.
>>>>
>>>  
>>> OK, I didn't know and had no problems with triple backticks.
>>>
>>> Anyhow, it looks far better with triple backticks (more readable) than 
>>> when I change it to txt/css, see atttachments (in edit mode it looks fine).
>>>
>>> Is there another possibility to show it like code shows?
>>>
>>> If it is needed to change to txt/css it will be handy if:
>>>
>>> 1) txt/css is in the list of types
>>> 2) there is a note in the documentation (searching for stylesheet gives 
>>> only something about the tag $:/tags/stylesheet)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Ton
>>>  
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes
>>>>
>>>> Jeremy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Ton Gerner  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mario,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the comments.
>>>>> I had not thought about the text/css type.
>>>>> The !important is a left-over from old days (alpha10 or so). I'll look 
>>>>> into that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ton
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:12:54 PM UTC+1, PMario wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, January 27, 2014 3:41:06 PM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That means I am still using all CSS styles in my stylesheets within 
>>>>>>> 'triple backticks' without any problem.
>>>>>>> The stylesheet you mention is used in my guide about a top menu and 
>>>>>>> toolbars [2].
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Ton, 
>>>>>> If you want to display the stylesheet tiddler as text, just use 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>type: *text*/
>>>>>> *css *
>>>>>> You may need to type it by hand, since the dropdown doesn't know it. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you don't need to use "non CSS markup in your tiddler". It may 
>>>>>> fail with weired errors in the future. Such errors are very hard to 
>>>>>> track 
>>>>>> down, after 1 year or 2 :/ 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a second thing I just saw in the style sheets. If !important 
>>>>>> is really needed, then imo the base theme concept is broken because 
>>>>>> !important is viral. So everyone else that want's to modify your theme, 
>>>>>> will need important keyword too. So if there are 2 more iterations 
>>>>>> you'll 
>>>>>> end up having !important all over the places.   I'll need to 
>>>>>> investigate, to be sure. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -mario
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Jeremy Ruston
>>>> mailto:jeremy...@gmail.com
>>>>  
>>>
>
>
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[tw] Re: Newbie help

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Gabriel,

To get some ideas, go to [1]

Cheers,

Ton

[1] http://tongerner.tiddlyspot.com/

On Monday, January 27, 2014 11:07:52 PM UTC+1, Stephan Hradek wrote:
>
> For tweaking the layout search for Ton Gerner's wiki. Links should be 
> somewhere here. He is (to me) the TW5 theme-guru.
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] @TonGerner about top & left menu colors

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Alberto,

Glad you like it.

In the latest version of http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/ (5.0.7beta) 
there are 4 tiddlers that contain styles:

1) $:/_stylesheet with "general styles" for my guide as such only
2) $:/_stylesheet/topmenu with styles for the top menu: only the background 
color to be set (manually) as the background color of the rest
3) $:/_stylesheet/leftmenu (only style display:none as starting point)
4) $:/_top-toggle-left-sidebar-button contains (hidden, click edit to see 
the styles) styles for the left menu: only the background color to be set 
(manually) as the background color of the rest

So, if you leave out 1), you have to adjust only 2 colors manually 
according to the theme used.

The idea of making it use the colors of the theme is interesting.
At the moment I don't know how to do it; I'm still learning as well ;)
I'll put it on my list of things to investigate.

Be aware i am just an end user (not a developer or programmer) who wants to 
share his experiments.

Cheers,

Ton

On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 1:11:11 PM UTC+1, Albertononi wrote:
>
> Hi Ton,
>
> I like very much your top & left menu (http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/). 
> But the colors doesn't fit with the themes I use (Vanilla, Snow White, 
> Starlight).
>
> Is it possible to make the menu use the colors of the theme in use?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alberto Molina
>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] @TonGerner about top & left menu colors

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Alberto,

I made my color adjustments (for my guides) in $:/_stylesheet. I think I 
have to do that in the Theme Tweaks; then I can leave out the background 
lines (I hope, I have to check).

Thanks,

Ton

On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 2:16:29 PM UTC+1, Albertononi wrote:
>
> The idea of making it use the colors of the theme is interesting.
>> At the moment I don't know how to do it; I'm still learning as well ;)
>> I'll put it on my list of things to investigate.
>>
>  
> Top menu: remove the background line in $:/_stylesheet/topmenu
> Left menu: remove the background line in $:/_top-toggle-left-sidebar-button
>
> Now they are theme independent. Great!
>
> I'm just an end user too, and I learn a lot from people like you. Thanks 
> Ton!
>
> Alberto
>

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[tw] Re: Do you specify the tiddlers' type?

[Ton Gerner]

But in case of stylesheets you have to use text/css as type.
At the moment you have to add it manually or use text/plain from the list. 
5.0.8 beta will contain text/css in the list.

Cheers,

Ton

[1] https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/UOBPRMjWbqU/O7bYcxIgvokJ

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:17:21 PM UTC+1, Alberto Molina wrote:
>
> Having said that: Maybe it's a good idea to hide that input field to save 
>> some screen real estate and just replace it with a small icon?
>>
>
> +1 
>

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[tw] [TW5] Stylesheet issues (html, html body, html body.tw-body)

[Ton Gerner]

@Jeremy,

After style sheet reordering [1] the style sheets used in TW5 could be 
simplified.

In the process of "refactoring" the stylesheets of my guides, I found that 
many of the "pre elements" like "html", "html body" or "html body.tw-body" 
are not needed anymore.

Styles that did not need them:

.body
.titlebar
.title
.tw-tiddler-frame
.a.tw-tiddlylink
.tw-page-controls svg
.tw-page-controls a:hover svg
.tw-page-controls button:hover svg
.tw-tiddler-controls button:hover svg
.btn-mini
.btn-min:hover

Note: Just styles used in my first guide.

The only case I found needing html in front was for the color of the 
tiddler buttons:

html .tw-tiddler-controls svg {
 fill: #99CCFF;
}

But it was not needed while hovering:

.tw-tiddler-controls button:hover svg {
 fill: #04B;
}

Just curious why only the tiddler button style needed html in front.

Can you give rules when nowadays "html", "html body" and/or "html 
body.tw-body" are still needed?

Cheers,

Ton


[1] https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/284

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[tw] Re: tag renaming

[Ton Gerner]

Hi,

See https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/OCntQ79DuwM/_vYCTYRXfaUJ

Cheers,

Ton

On Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:09:41 PM UTC+1, cangaroo joe wrote:
>
> In case I want to modify (rename) a mistyped tag which is linked to ex. 
> 100 tiddlers, because there is no tag renaming feature implemented, how can 
> I change the tags' names so not to damage the well functionality of my TW5 
> file? If I delete the selected tag I think it will be unlinked from those 
> 100 tiddlers... Should I create the correct tag and manually attach the tag 
> name in each those 100 tiddlers?
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Is there some cache that can increase the file size?

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Stephan,

You are right.
It is an open issue [1]

Cheers,

Ton

[1] https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/323

On Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:20:36 PM UTC+1, Stephan Hradek wrote:
>
> I don't have the link at hand, but I think, Ton already noticed that and 
> Jeremy also had an explanation for it…
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] slider + full enhanced transclusion

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Alberto,

Nice.

To style the slider and edit button, add the following to your stylesheet:

html .tw-slider {
 font-size: 0.5em;
}

html .tw-images svg {
 height: 0.5em;
}

the class tw-slider is already in <$button popup ...>
the class tw-images you have to add just before the transcluded image (  
... class="btn-invisible tw-images"{{$:/core/images/edit-button}} )

Cheers,

Ton
On Thursday, January 30, 2014 5:44:23 PM UTC+1, Alberto Molina wrote:
>
> Stephan Hradek has created several magick tricks 
> here.
>
> Do you like "slider"? Do you like "full (enhanced) transclusion"? Have 
> them work together! (The following is just a tweak & mix of both)
>
> Create a template tiddler called, for instance, "sliderfull", containing 
> this:
>
> \define slider(label)
> <$button popup="$:/state/$label$" 
> class="btn-invisible 
> tw-slider"><$reveal type="match" text="" default="" state=
> "$:/state/$label$">⊞<$reveal type="nomatch" text="" 
> default="" 
> state="$:/state/$label$">⊟ {{!!title}}   
> title="Edit section"><$button message="tw-edit-tiddler" 
> class="btn-invisible">{{$:/core/images/edit-button}}
> <$reveal type="nomatch" text="" default="" state="$:/state/$label$"animate
> ="yes">
> <$transclude/>
> 
> \end
>
> <$macrocall $name="slider" label={{!!title}}/>
>
>
> Use the template tiddler by transcluding it:
>
> {{GettingStarted||sliderfull}}
>
> Then, if you click on the title, it slides and shows/hides the content. 
> And if you click the edit button, it opens the transcluded tiddler in edit 
> view.
>
> The trick could be improved by reducing the size of the slider button and 
> edit button, but I don't know how.
>
>
> Alberto
>
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: How can I color text?

[Ton Gerner]

Hi all,

What's wrong with the following?

\define red($text$)
@@color:red;
$text$
@@
\end

<>

Cheers,

Ton




On Friday, January 31, 2014 7:02:54 PM UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> Thank you Stephan. I thought about it, but I was too anxious to post my 
> answer. I will put the color as a secondary option in a different macro. I 
> want to have one macro per each color, just for keeping things simple and 
> for readability of the non-rendered code. 

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[tw] Re: How can I color text?

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Stephan,


On Friday, January 31, 2014 7:39:44 PM UTC+1, Stephan Hradek wrote:
>
>
>1. the \define red($text$) is wrong. It should be \define red(text)
>
>
You are right. I was too fast ;) 

>
>1. It's a macro that you need to put everywhere where you want red text
>
> But you can put it into $:/core/ui/PageMacros 

>
>1. 
>
>
> But this one might be interesting. Define a tiddler "red" containing:
>
> \define red(text)
> @@color:red;
> $text$
> @@
> \end
>
> <$macrocall $name="red" text={{!!title}}/>
>
> and then use it like so:
>
> this not red {{this is red||red}} this not red
>
> Interesting!

Cheers,

Ton

>
>

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[tw] Re: How can I color text?

[Ton Gerner]

The advantage is that you don't have to know javascript to make macros. I 
am not a programmer.

Ton

On Friday, January 31, 2014 8:14:51 PM UTC+1, Stephan Hradek wrote:
>
>
> But you can put it into $:/core/ui/PageMacros 
>>
>> So what's the advantage over having it in a javascript macro? You need to 
> reload in both cases. The disadvantage with the page macros is that you 
> mess with the core. The advantage of making it a javascript macro is that 
> you can easily take it over to any new TW. 
>

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[tw] Re: How can I color text?

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Stephan,

On Friday, January 31, 2014 10:49:14 PM UTC+1, Stephan Hradek wrote:
>
>
>
> Am Freitag, 31. Januar 2014 20:31:43 UTC+1 schrieb Ton Gerner:
>>
>> The advantage is that you don't have to know javascript to make macros. I 
>> am not a programmer.
>>
>> "Thou shalt not fear JavaScript" :D
>
> Long, long time ago I did some programming in BASIC and even a little bit 
in Pascal.
What remained is I am not "anxious" to have a look at code (although I 
don't understand half of it).

I just don't have the time to learn javascript ;)
I want to learn more about the list & filter stuff of TW5 itself. 
 

> Come on, Ton! You understand so much of TiddlyWiki, that little of 
> JavaScript you need to know to transfer a TW macro to JS is nothing.
>

Using copy and paste it looks like you know a lot ;) Years of experience 
with TWclassic helps.

>
> You can even use a bookmarklet I wrote. Look  at 
> http://tw5magick.tiddlyspot.com and search for " Macro to Javascript 
> Bookmarklet".
>
> Drag that bookmarklet to you bookmarks.
>
> Create a new tiddler.
>
> Paste into that tiddler your macro.
>
> Click your new bookmarklet and you'll get your macro translated to 
> Javascript.
>

Yes, I know, I have a complete set of bookmarklets you made + a few of my 
own made with your bookmarkletmacro or just changing some characters in one 
of yours.

For sure, one day, I'll try the macro to javascript macro.

Cheers,

Ton
 

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[tw] [TW5] Weird behavior of style sheets when using type=text/css

[Ton Gerner]

Hi all,

When I started with TW5 I used style sheets enclosed in triple backticks:

```
all styles
```

At that time there wasn't even the possibility to set a type.
Dave Gifford showed me the style sheet(s) he used and it contained the 
triple backticks to make the styles 'readable'.
Note: Dave - and may be many others - still use the triple backtick trick, 
see e.g. [1]

@ Dave
It is not allowed anymore according to the TW gurus. See discussion 
starting at [2].

So I started using type=text/css. I had to enter it manually, it is not 
(yet) in the list.

During 'refactoring' the style sheets of my guides I tried to leave out the 
'pre' elements like "html", "html body" and/or "html body.tw-body". In many 
cases I could do without these 'pre' elements, but there were weird things 
I could not explain, e.g.:

html .tw-tiddler-controls svg {
 fill: #99CCFF;
}

needed 'html' as pre element but it was not needed while hovering:

.tw-tiddler-controls button:hover svg {
 fill: #04B;
}

Today I found much more weird behavior:

Tiddlers with type text/css (recommended for style sheets) behave strange:
1) styles are applied without the style sheet tagged with 
$:/tags/stylesheet.
2) renaming of the style sheet (from $:/_stylesheet to Stylesheet) does the 
style sheet tiddler vanish.

You can imagine that 1) can give very strange results, especially when you 
have a few style sheets. You delete the tag $:/tags/stylesheet and the 
applied styles are still there!
It took some time before I realized what happened.

For more information and how to repeat my results see [3]

Using type=text/plain did not give these weird results.

Be aware! My advice: use type=text/plain. In TW5.0.8 there will be 
type=text/css in the list

Cheers,

Ton


[1] http://www.giffmex.org/tw5mall.htm
[2] https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/UOBPRMjWbqU/iKbH-Rv6-ZYJ
[3] https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/395

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[tw] Re: TW5 Make a SVG button theme compliant

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Danielo,

Have a look at the core images for the general structure, e.g. 
$:/core/images/new-button.

That contains the following (left out most of the numbers):




The class tw-image-button is always there and there is a button specific 
class, here tw-image-new-button.
There is no color information (no stroke and fill attributes) in the images 
so the color can be controlled elesewhere (theme).

On Monday, February 3, 2014 6:41:02 PM UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> I'm trying to add a new button in svg format. I would like to make it like 
> the core ones. I mean, depending on the theme display the button in 
> different colors. Also changing the color on mouse over.
> Here is the SVG code.
>
> http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"width="22pt"; height="22pt"
> class="tw-image-button" viewBox="0 0 100 100">
> 
>  d="M39.097,76.828V29.203h20.736v14.264c0,1.104,0.896,2,2,2h14.264v31.361H39.097z"/>
> 
>
>
>  
* TW5 does not like the xmlns part so take it out.
* Add an extra class if you want to style your button in some way.
* With the viewbox you can control the part of the button that will be 
shown (there is quite some 'white space' around the button as can be seen 
if you copy the code to the Google SVG editor 
http://svg-edit.googlecode.com/svn/branches/2.6/editor/svg-editor.html. I 
adjusted the values in the viewbox a little bit (still not optimal I think) 
as you can see.






Qua color this icon will follow the themes.

Cheers,

Ton

 

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[tw] Re: TW5 Make a SVG button theme compliant

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Danielo,

Did you use image/svg+xml as type?
Use image/svg (add it manually) or leave the type blank (the core images 
don't use a type!)

Cheers,

Ton


On Monday, February 3, 2014 9:38:12 PM UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> Thank you very much for your well explained answer TOM.
>
> I understand what you said, but if i remove the svg namespace xmlns="
> http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"; the image is not displayed.
> Do you know how can I safely remove this line?
> Thank you very much!
>
> El lunes, 3 de febrero de 2014 20:03:14 UTC+1, Ton Gerner escribió:
>>
>> Hi Danielo,
>>
>> Have a look at the core images for the general structure, e.g. 
>> $:/core/images/new-button.
>>
>> That contains the following (left out most of the numbers):
>>
>> > width="22pt" height="22pt">
>>
>>
>> The class tw-image-button is always there and there is a button specific 
>> class, here tw-image-new-button.
>> There is no color information (no stroke and fill attributes) in the 
>> images so the color can be controlled elesewhere (theme).
>>
>> On Monday, February 3, 2014 6:41:02 PM UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> I'm trying to add a new button in svg format. I would like to make it 
>>> like the core ones. I mean, depending on the theme display the button in 
>>> different colors. Also changing the color on mouse over.
>>> Here is the SVG code.
>>>
>>> http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"width="22pt"; height="22pt"
>>> class="tw-image-button" viewBox="0 0 100 100">
>>> 
>>> >> d="M39.097,76.828V29.203h20.736v14.264c0,1.104,0.896,2,2,2h14.264v31.361H39.097z"/>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>> * TW5 does not like the xmlns part so take it out.
>> * Add an extra class if you want to style your button in some way.
>> * With the viewbox you can control the part of the button that will be 
>> shown (there is quite some 'white space' around the button as can be seen 
>> if you copy the code to the Google SVG editor 
>> http://svg-edit.googlecode.com/svn/branches/2.6/editor/svg-editor.html. 
>> I adjusted the values in the viewbox a little bit (still not optimal I 
>> think) as you can see.
>>
>> > "22pt" viewBox="30 20 70 70">
>> 
>> > "M39.097,76.828V29.203h20.736v14.264c0,1.104,0.896,2,2,2h14.264v31.361H39.097z"
>> />
>> 
>>
>> Qua color this icon will follow the themes.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>>  
>>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Stephan's new journal macro - suppress creator

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jon,

The Viewtemplate comprises 5 shadow tiddlers, the main one 
$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate adds together all 4 other parts:

$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/body
$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/subtitle
$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/tags
$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/title

$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/subtitle contains:

<$link to={{!!modifier}}><$view 
field="modifier"/> <$view field="modified" format="relativedate"/>


The 4 parts are all tagged with $:/tags/ViewTemplate

If you have a look at $:/tags/ViewTemplate you will see there is a list 
field containing all 4 parts in the default order (space separated):

$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/title $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/subtitle 
$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/tags $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/body

If you delete $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/subtitle from the list, creator and 
relative date will disappear (you need to save and reload!)

But, I noticed something strange:

My 'old' TW5s show creator and relative date but my 'newer' ones don't 
display creator and relative date although $:/tags/ViewTemplate has 
$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/subtitle in the list!

@Jeremy: any explanation?

Cheers,

Ton


On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 9:18:45 AM UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>
> OK, thanks.
>
> On Tuesday, 4 February 2014 08:08:57 UTC, Stephan Hradek wrote:
>>
>> Try to find the information here in the groups or on my 
>> tw5magick.tiddlyspot.com Sorry that I can<#t link you directly at the 
>> moment. When I return from work and no one else could help, I will look 
>> into it. It's not too difficult after all.
>>
>

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki Hangout #33 today at 4pm GMT

[Ton Gerner]

16:00 UK time
17:00 Amsteradm

Jeremy is late

On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 5:09:12 PM UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> At 4pm? I though it was at 5pm!!
>
> El martes, 4 de febrero de 2014 12:20:37 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston escribió:
>>
>> Apologies for not sending out the invitation sooner, but I am planning a 
>> hangout as usual this afternoon at 4pm GMT:
>>
>> https://plus.google.com/events/c4jibg7i0bs3bjeme8quqil3vqk
>>
>> I'll post the link for joining just before we kick off,
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>> -- 
>> Jeremy Ruston
>> mailto:jeremy...@gmail.com
>>  
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[tw] [TW5] - Missing creator in tiddlers

[Ton Gerner]

Hi all,

Triggered by the discussion about "Stephan's new journal macro - suppress 
creator" [1] I was looking at my own TW5s and found strange things.

As an example my guides at TiddlySpot. Relatively 'old' ones display the 
creator ([2], [4], [6]), newer ones don't ([3], [5]).

I double checked [3] and [5]:

Username for signing edits has been filled in.
I did not fiddle around with the ViewTemplate:
* $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/subtitle is tagged with the $:/tags/ViewTemplate
* the list in $:/tags/ViewTemplate contains $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/subtitle

What am I missing?

Cheers,

Ton


[1] https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/f2qjeiwn37U/8VUJcIZu5agJ
[2] http://tongerner.tiddlyspot.com/
[3] http://tw5custom.tiddlyspot.com/
[4] http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/
[5] http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/
[6] http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/

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[tw] [TW5] - Drag & drop of ico files does not work in Firefox

[Ton Gerner]

Hi all,

I am using Windows 7 64-bit and mainly Firefox, Chrome when needed (e.g. 
first upload to TiddlySpot).

Today I started a new TiddlyWiki and wanted to add a favicon.
In the past I added an icon by dragging/dropping an icon to my TW and 
renamed it to $:/favicon.ico.

NB To be honest I can't remember if it worked in the past with "old" 
versions of Firefox or only in Chrome.

If I drag/drop an icon to my TW in Chrome v32, I get a tiddler named 
according the icon and showing the icon.
Opening the tiddler shows the type is 'image/x-icon'.

If I do the same with Firefox v26, I get a tiddler named according the icon 
but *NOT* showing the icon. It just shows weird characters.
Opening the tiddler shows the type is 'application/file'.
Changing the type to 'image/x-icon' does not help: no icon shown.

In Firefox v27 (just updated) only the outline of an image is shown after 
changing the type to 'image/x-icon'.

NB Dragging/dropping of icons in Opera v18 and Internet Explorer v11 does 
work, although in both cases the favicon is not shown in the browser tab 
(IE already reported).

Is this a bug in Firefox or in TW5?

Cheers,

Ton

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Hide Toolbar

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Odder,

Yes, that is possible.

I use a light/dark blue color scheme:

/* COLOR OF TIDDLER BUTTONS */
html .tw-tiddler-controls svg {
 fill : #9CF; /* light blue */
}

html.tw-tiddler-controls button:hover svg {
 fill : #04B;/* dark blue */
}

If you change the color value #9CF to the color value of your tiddler 
background (default white #FFF) the icons become invisible.
The 'hover' color can be adjusted to your liking.

Cheers,

Ton


On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 9:45:19 AM UTC+1, Odder wrote:
>
> Is it possible to hide the toolbar (at the top of Tiddlers) and only visible 
> when you hover the tiddler (as in TWC)?
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Hide Toolbar

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Stephan,

Never thought about that; didn't even know it existed.
I learn every day ;)

Thanks,

Ton

On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 12:25:21 PM UTC+1, Stephan Hradek wrote:
>
>
>
> Am Mittwoch, 5. Februar 2014 10:18:32 UTC+1 schrieb Ton Gerner:
>>
>> If you change the color value #9CF to the color value of your tiddler 
>> background
>>
>
> Ever thought about using the color called "transparent"? 
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Hide Toolbar

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Odder,

On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 6:18:15 PM UTC+1, Odder wrote:
>
> Hi Ton,
> thanks for your answer. If I use the entries in my stylesheet the toolbar 
> is hidden (with # fff;). But when I hover the tiddler the toolbar is not 
> visible (yes, the hover fill-color is not white :-), it's black # 000;). Only 
> when I point on one of the  symbols it is visible. But only the single 
> symbol, not the complete toolbar. in TWC I had the following css code: 
>
> . toolbar {visibility: hidden;} 
> . selected toolbar. {visibility: visible;} 
>
> and on mouse over the tiddler the *whole* toolbar is displayed. Is this 
> possible in TW5?
>

I don't know how to do that.

@Stephan any idea?

Cheers,

Ton
 

>
> Cheers,
> Odder
>

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[tw] Re: Returning TiddlyWiki user asking for resources.

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Christian,

Have a look at the 'Community' tiddler at http://tiddlywiki.com/
There you will find links to Dave's mall, my customization guides and other 
interesting stuff.

Cheers,

Ton


On Friday, February 7, 2014 1:54:08 AM UTC+1, Christian de la Serna wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone.
>
> I have been a past user of tiddlywiki. I think I used MPTW back then. I am 
> also a non technical user but can learn a few things to tweak TW. Is there 
> like a "TiddlyWiki for the rest of us" on TW5? It seems that a lot of the 
> backend stuff changed (from my limited view)
>
>
>
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[tw] Re: Introducing TiddlyQuickly, a tutorial for TW5, under construction...

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Dave,

Good start.
Many newcomers need it (they already asked a few times for a "TiddlyWiki 
for the rest of us" type introduction).

I did have a look at your stylesheet and saw you are (still) using the 
triple backticks to make the stylesheet 'readable'.
I used this as well, but triple backticks are not allowed according to the 
gurus, see discussion at [1]
Instead you ought to set the type to 'text/css' (manually since it is not 
in the list).

BUT BE AWARE, the type 'text/css' gives problems at the moment, see [2] and 
the issue at [3].
In the meantime you can use the type 'text/plain'.

Cheers,

Ton


[1] https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/UOBPRMjWbqU/iKbH-Rv6-ZYJ
[2] https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/j3rvC_hH78o/yG8rCuQQiHMJ
[3] https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/395


On Friday, February 7, 2014 8:17:35 PM UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I had a little time to breathe, so I started a tutorial for TW5. It is 
> only a modest beginning (two slide shows at 8 tiddlers each), and will take 
> several weeks to do well, but for what it is worth, it will give you a 
> taste of what is to come.
>
> http://giffmex.org/TiddlyQuickly.html
>
> Jeremy, feel free to swipe any and all of this and adapt it as it suits 
> you. 
>
> Dave
>
>
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Questions about Top Menu

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Mal,

1) You can decrease the width of the top menu from 100% to e.g. 99%.
See class selector .tw-topmenu in $:/_stylesheet/topmenu (under the heading 
/* TOP MENU, FIXED IN POSITION */).

2) Do you refer to Stephan's Newtiddlerwidget? I haven't tried it and can't 
help you with that.
Hopefully Stephan can help you.

Cheers,

Ton

On Saturday, February 8, 2014 8:34:15 AM UTC+1, Mal wrote:
>
> All,
>
> With tw5, I plan on using the top toolbar feature based on Ton Gerner's 
> work .  It seems to me that it works 
> well with a hidden sidebar, particularly on mobile devices with their small 
> screens.  However, I have a few questions:
>
>- The way the top menu is implemented, it actually overlays the story 
>river and sidebar.  This is probably not a big deal, except that it does 
>obscure part of the sidebar scroll bar in Firefox running on Ubuntu.  (See 
>image below.)  Is there any way to adjust the page layout to prevent this?
>
>
>
> 
>
>- I would like to have some buttons on the menu bar that create new 
>tiddlers using Stephan 
> Hradek'snewtiddler
>  script.  However, I haven't been able to figure out how to do 
>this using an icon on the top toolbar instead of the in-line button 
> element 
>that Stephan's script produces.  Any suggestions on this would be 
>appreciated.
>- Will the top toolbar become a first class citizen in tw5 or continue 
>to be a separate plugin feature?  I don't see any mention of this on the 
>
> roadmap,
>  
>but I am aware that journalling features are expected to be rolling out 
>soon.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mal
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Questions about Top Menu

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jon,

Tag $:/_top-list-tags-button with $:/tags/PageControls and the button 
appears as last button (after the Save button).

Cheers,

Ton

On Saturday, February 8, 2014 10:47:44 AM UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>
> Hi Ton,
>
> is it an easy job for me to float the list all tags button to the side 
> toolbar?
>
> Thanks,Jon
>
> On Saturday, 8 February 2014 09:34:41 UTC, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mal,
>>
>> 1) You can decrease the width of the top menu from 100% to e.g. 99%.
>> See class selector .tw-topmenu in $:/_stylesheet/topmenu (under the 
>> heading /* TOP MENU, FIXED IN POSITION */).
>>
>> 2) Do you refer to Stephan's Newtiddlerwidget? I haven't tried it and 
>> can't help you with that.
>> Hopefully Stephan can help you.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>> On Saturday, February 8, 2014 8:34:15 AM UTC+1, Mal wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> With tw5, I plan on using the top toolbar feature based on Ton Gerner's 
>>> work <http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/>.  It seems to me that it works 
>>> well with a hidden sidebar, particularly on mobile devices with their small 
>>> screens.  However, I have a few questions:
>>>
>>>- The way the top menu is implemented, it actually overlays the 
>>>story river and sidebar.  This is probably not a big deal, except that 
>>> it 
>>>does obscure part of the sidebar scroll bar in Firefox running on 
>>> Ubuntu.  
>>>(See image below.)  Is there any way to adjust the page layout to 
>>> prevent 
>>>this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-dqDqtSqyOS0/UvXX1qjCRiI/A3E/wF0ZeNRokok/s1600/tw5TopMenuBar.png>
>>>
>>>- I would like to have some buttons on the menu bar that create new 
>>>tiddlers using Stephan 
>>> Hradek's<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Ftw5magick.tiddlyspot.com&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGlYCs2M4eZdNVxhmAniZXWkDT5YA>newtiddler
>>>  script.  However, I haven't been able to figure out how to do 
>>>this using an icon on the top toolbar instead of the in-line button 
>>> element 
>>>that Stephan's script produces.  Any suggestions on this would be 
>>>appreciated.
>>>- Will the top toolbar become a first class citizen in tw5 or 
>>>continue to be a separate plugin feature?  I don't see any mention of 
>>> this 
>>>on the 
>>> roadmap<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Ftw5magick.tiddlyspot.com&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGlYCs2M4eZdNVxhmAniZXWkDT5YA>,
>>>  
>>>but I am aware that journalling features are expected to be rolling out 
>>>soon.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Mal
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Questions about Top Menu

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jon,

The short answer is:
Remove {{$:/_top-list-tags-button}} from $:/_topmenu

But - belonging to the long answer - from my guide 
http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/ :


*When $:/_topmenu is open, a second - floating - top menu appears at the 
top of the story river which hides part of the tiddler at the top of the 
story river.If this 'top' tiddler is $:/_topmenu itself, you may not be 
able to edit it. If so, open another tiddler (at the top of the story 
river) to push $:/_topmenu downwards.*
Closing $:/_topmenu does this 'second' top menu disappear again.

Cheers,

Ton

On Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:44:55 PM UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>
>
> Hi Ton,
>
> $:/_top-list-tags-button now also appears on the right, but how do I 
> remove it from the top menu - I tried removing this tag but no joy.
>
> Thanks
> Jon
>
> On Saturday, 8 February 2014 11:22:00 UTC, Jon wrote:
>>
>> Cheers, Ton
>>
>> On Saturday, 8 February 2014 10:04:36 UTC, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Jon,
>>>
>>> Tag $:/_top-list-tags-button with $:/tags/PageControls and the button 
>>> appears as last button (after the Save button).
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Ton
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 8, 2014 10:47:44 AM UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Ton,
>>>>
>>>> is it an easy job for me to float the list all tags button to the side 
>>>> toolbar?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,Jon
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, 8 February 2014 09:34:41 UTC, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mal,
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) You can decrease the width of the top menu from 100% to e.g. 99%.
>>>>> See class selector .tw-topmenu in $:/_stylesheet/topmenu (under the 
>>>>> heading /* TOP MENU, FIXED IN POSITION */).
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Do you refer to Stephan's Newtiddlerwidget? I haven't tried it and 
>>>>> can't help you with that.
>>>>> Hopefully Stephan can help you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ton
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, February 8, 2014 8:34:15 AM UTC+1, Mal wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With tw5, I plan on using the top toolbar feature based on Ton 
>>>>>> Gerner's work <http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/>.  It seems to me 
>>>>>> that it works well with a hidden sidebar, particularly on mobile devices 
>>>>>> with their small screens.  However, I have a few questions:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>- The way the top menu is implemented, it actually overlays the 
>>>>>>story river and sidebar.  This is probably not a big deal, except 
>>>>>> that it 
>>>>>>does obscure part of the sidebar scroll bar in Firefox running on 
>>>>>> Ubuntu.  
>>>>>>(See image below.)  Is there any way to adjust the page layout to 
>>>>>> prevent 
>>>>>>this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-dqDqtSqyOS0/UvXX1qjCRiI/A3E/wF0ZeNRokok/s1600/tw5TopMenuBar.png>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>- I would like to have some buttons on the menu bar that create 
>>>>>>new tiddlers using Stephan 
>>>>>> Hradek's<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Ftw5magick.tiddlyspot.com&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGlYCs2M4eZdNVxhmAniZXWkDT5YA>newtiddler
>>>>>>  script.  However, I haven't been able to figure out how to do 
>>>>>>this using an icon on the top toolbar instead of the in-line button 
>>>>>> element 
>>>>>>that Stephan's script produces.  Any suggestions on this would be 
>>>>>>appreciated.
>>>>>>- Will the top toolbar become a first class citizen in tw5 or 
>>>>>>continue to be a separate plugin feature?  I don't see any mention of 
>>>>>> this 
>>>>>>on the 
>>>>>> roadmap<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Ftw5magick.tiddlyspot.com&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGlYCs2M4eZdNVxhmAniZXWkDT5YA>,
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>but I am aware that journalling features are expected to be rolling 
>>>>>> out 
>>>>>>soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mal
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Questions about Top Menu

[Ton Gerner]

Glad you like it, Jon.

Cheers,

Ton

On Saturday, February 8, 2014 1:38:02 PM UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>
>
> Thanks, Ton I managed that. 
>
> By the way, this novice appreciates your very good TW5 toolbar 
> instructions!
>
>
> On Saturday, 8 February 2014 12:01:23 UTC, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jon,
>>
>> The short answer is:
>> Remove {{$:/_top-list-tags-button}} from $:/_topmenu
>>
>> But - belonging to the long answer - from my guide 
>> http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/ :
>>
>>
>> *When $:/_topmenu is open, a second - floating - top menu appears at the 
>> top of the story river which hides part of the tiddler at the top of the 
>> story river.If this 'top' tiddler is $:/_topmenu itself, you may not be 
>> able to edit it. If so, open another tiddler (at the top of the story 
>> river) to push $:/_topmenu downwards.*
>> Closing $:/_topmenu does this 'second' top menu disappear again.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>> On Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:44:55 PM UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Ton,
>>>
>>> $:/_top-list-tags-button now also appears on the right, but how do I 
>>> remove it from the top menu - I tried removing this tag but no joy.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 8 February 2014 11:22:00 UTC, Jon wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, Ton
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, 8 February 2014 10:04:36 UTC, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jon,
>>>>>
>>>>> Tag $:/_top-list-tags-button with $:/tags/PageControls and the button 
>>>>> appears as last button (after the Save button).
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ton
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, February 8, 2014 10:47:44 AM UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Ton,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> is it an easy job for me to float the list all tags button to the 
>>>>>> side toolbar?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,Jon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, 8 February 2014 09:34:41 UTC, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Mal,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) You can decrease the width of the top menu from 100% to e.g. 99%.
>>>>>>> See class selector .tw-topmenu in $:/_stylesheet/topmenu (under the 
>>>>>>> heading /* TOP MENU, FIXED IN POSITION */).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) Do you refer to Stephan's Newtiddlerwidget? I haven't tried it 
>>>>>>> and can't help you with that.
>>>>>>> Hopefully Stephan can help you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ton
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 8, 2014 8:34:15 AM UTC+1, Mal wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With tw5, I plan on using the top toolbar feature based on Ton 
>>>>>>>> Gerner's work <http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/>.  It seems to me 
>>>>>>>> that it works well with a hidden sidebar, particularly on mobile 
>>>>>>>> devices 
>>>>>>>> with their small screens.  However, I have a few questions:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>- The way the top menu is implemented, it actually overlays the 
>>>>>>>>story river and sidebar.  This is probably not a big deal, except 
>>>>>>>> that it 
>>>>>>>>does obscure part of the sidebar scroll bar in Firefox running on 
>>>>>>>> Ubuntu.  
>>>>>>>>(See image below.)  Is there any way to adjust the page layout to 
>>>>>>>> prevent 
>>>>>>>>this?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-dqDqtSqyOS0/UvXX1qjCRiI/A3E/wF0ZeNRokok/s1600/tw5TopMenuBar.png>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>- I would like to have some buttons on the menu bar that create 
>>>>>>>>new tiddlers using Stephan 
>>>>>>>> Hradek's<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Ftw5magick.tiddlyspot.com&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGlYCs2M4eZdNVxhmAniZXWkDT5YA>newtiddler
>>>>>>>>  script.  However, I haven't been able to figure out how to do 
>>>>>>>>this using an icon on the top toolbar instead of the in-line button 
>>>>>>>> element 
>>>>>>>>that Stephan's script produces.  Any suggestions on this would be 
>>>>>>>>appreciated.
>>>>>>>>- Will the top toolbar become a first class citizen in tw5 or 
>>>>>>>>continue to be a separate plugin feature?  I don't see any mention 
>>>>>>>> of this 
>>>>>>>>on the 
>>>>>>>> roadmap<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Ftw5magick.tiddlyspot.com&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGlYCs2M4eZdNVxhmAniZXWkDT5YA>,
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>but I am aware that journalling features are expected to be rolling 
>>>>>>>> out 
>>>>>>>>soon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

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[tw] Re: A small improvement to the sidebar search box

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Alberto,

Very handy addition.
Thanks for sharing.

Cheers,

Ton

On Saturday, February 8, 2014 4:50:31 PM UTC+1, Alberto Molina wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Most of the time, I use the sidebar search box to locate a specific 
> tiddler whose title is what I write in the box. And most of the time I need 
> to scroll down until I see the tiddler I want in the list. 
> If I'm not alone in this case, then it would be great to have as first 
> result(s) the tiddler(s) whose title better matches the searched string.
>
> One solution I found is using this (with a limit of 3 matching results):
>
> <$list filter="[prefix{$:/temp/search}limit[3]]" emptyMessage="No tiddler 
> with this prefix"/>
>
>
> If you are interested, you'll find the search box inside 
> "$:/core/ui/SideBarLists", and you can insert the previous line there 
> (after the ):
>
> 
>
>
> //<$count filter="[!is[system]search{$:/temp/search}]"/> matches
> //
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Alberto
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] - Missing creator in tiddlers

[Ton Gerner]

Nobody?


On Tuesday, February 4, 2014 9:24:38 PM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Triggered by the discussion about "Stephan's new journal macro - suppress 
> creator" [1] I was looking at my own TW5s and found strange things.
>
> As an example my guides at TiddlySpot. Relatively 'old' ones display the 
> creator ([2], [4], [6]), newer ones don't ([3], [5]).
>
> I double checked [3] and [5]:
>
> Username for signing edits has been filled in.
> I did not fiddle around with the ViewTemplate:
> * $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/subtitle is tagged with the $:/tags/ViewTemplate
> * the list in $:/tags/ViewTemplate contains 
> $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/subtitle
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>
>
> [1] https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/f2qjeiwn37U/8VUJcIZu5agJ
> [2] http://tongerner.tiddlyspot.com/
> [3] http://tw5custom.tiddlyspot.com/
> [4] http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/
> [5] http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/
> [6] http://tw5readonly.tiddlyspot.com/
>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] - Missing creator in tiddlers

[Ton Gerner]

Sorry Mario, I missed that.
So it is a 'known' problem.

Thanks,

Ton


On Saturday, February 8, 2014 8:40:27 PM UTC+1, PMario wrote:
>
> On Saturday, February 8, 2014 8:27:05 PM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>
>> Nobody?
>>
>
> I did have the same problem and mentioned it at the last hangout.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GEqXu6xay7M#t=4433
>
> -m
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] - Missing creator in tiddlers

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Mario,

I just looked at the video and saw Jeremy setting the user name.

I know now what was happening with my TW5s with missing creator:
1) I started a new TW without a user name.
2) Lateron I added a user name.
3) The tiddlers made in between 1) and 2) don't have a `creator`.
4) After modifying the tiddlers without `creator`, they get a  'modifier' 
AND a `creator` (which is the same as the modifier)!!!

With TWc I always get my username automatically when I start a new TW 
(browser cookie!).
So, with TW5 the first thing you must do is setting the user name. 
GettingStarted has now a direct link to the Control panel.

Anyhow, mystery solved ;)

Thanks,

Ton


On Saturday, February 8, 2014 8:51:50 PM UTC+1, PMario wrote:
>
> On Saturday, February 8, 2014 8:43:46 PM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>
>> Sorry Mario, I missed that.
>> So it is a 'known' problem.
>>
>
> I think it's not a problem. Its by intention. ... Did you have a look at 
> the viedeo. ... May be there are 2 different user nemes involved, which imo 
> would be a bug.
>
> -m
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Questions about Top Menu

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Danielo,

Glad you could help Mal. Nice addition to toolbar buttons.
I will try it myself when I have time; I think useful to add to my guide.

Thanks,

Ton

On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:40:23 AM UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> Hello Mal,
>
> I don't understand what do you prefer about the Stephan's implementation. 
> My answer was not intended to replace its implementation but to give you a 
> guide. The exact implementation would be:
>
> <$let tag1="journal" text="">
> <$newtiddler class="btn-invisible" title=<> 
> skeleton="JournalSkeleton" edit="yes">{{your-image-tiddler}}
> 
>
>
> If you want that button in the top-menu, the only thing you have to do is, 
> put the code that I posted above in a new tiddler. Entitle it however you 
> want. Open your top-bar tiddler, for me is $:/TopSideBar, maybe for you is 
> different. And then, put your button tiddler there. Something like this:
>
> 
> {{$:/Top-home-button}}{{$:/Top-full-screen-button}}{{$:/Top-sidebar-button}}{{$:/Top-list-all-button}}{{$:/Top-list-recent-button}}{{$:/Top-list-tags-button}}{{$:/Top-new-tiddler-button}}{{$:/new-template-button}}{{$:/Top-control-panel-button}}{{$:/Top-save-button}}{{$:/Top-search-button}}{{$:/Top-close-all-button}}{{$:/Top-new-snippet-button}}{{$:/Top-toggle-width-sidebar-button}}{{$:/Top-toggle-view-button}}
> *{{your-button-tiddler**}}*
>
> Hope this helps you.
>
>
> El domingo, 9 de febrero de 2014 11:08:15 UTC+1, Mal escribió:
>>
>> Hi Danielo,
>>
>> On Saturday, 8 February 2014 21:10:46 UTC+10, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>>>
>>> Mal,my aanswer was for you about your newtiddler question. Did you tried 
>>> it? I wrote Jon by mistake 
>>
>>
>> Yes thanks, I figured your response was intended for me.
>>
>> I have tried your suggested method for creating new journal tiddlers and 
>> it works as expected.  However, the benefit of Stephan's newtiddler widget 
>> is that it can pre-populate tags and the tiddler title.  This allows the 
>> title to automatically include the date and time for journal entries.  I 
>> have not yet been able to figure out how to run this from a top menu button.
>>
>> In any case, thanks for your helpful suggestion.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Mal
>>
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Re: [tw] [TW5] - Drag & drop of ico files does not work in Firefox

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jeremy,

I wasn't clear in my description: I meant drag/drop from Explorer to my 
TW5. That works as described in my first post:
1) Chrome OK
2) Firefox no icon but a tiddler with strange characters. After changing 
the type from 'application/file' to 'image/x-icon' I got no icon in FF v26 
and only an image outline in FF v27.

This happens with all icons I tried, also the $:/favicon.ico from 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/editions/tw5.com/tiddlers/images/favicon.ico?raw=true

If I drag/drop the $:/favicon.ico from http://tiddlywiki.com/ to my TW5 it 
is OK (browser window => browser window).

Hope that helps.

Cheers,

Ton

On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:06:57 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Ton
>
> Is this a bug in Firefox or in TW5?
>>
>
> Do you get the same problem with all *.ico files? I was able to drag a 
> copy of the TW5 favicon into Firefox 27 on the Mac without any problems:
>
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/editions/tw5.com/tiddlers/images/favicon.ico?raw=true
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>  
>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
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Re: [tw] [TW5] - Drag & drop of ico files does not work in Firefox

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jeremy,

Even with all add-ons disabled it does not work with FF v27.
It does work with FF v16 (the latest version that worked with TiddlySnip).

On Monday, February 10, 2014 11:18:11 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I can't duplicate the problem with Firefox 27 on Windows 8; dragging a 
> favicon.ico from Windows Explorer to tiddlywiki.com/empty.html works 
> fine. I don't have a Windows 7 virtual machine set up at the moment, which 
> might be the next step in duplicating it. If you're on the hangout tomorrow 
> perhaps you can demo the problem?
>

Sure.

Cheers,

Ton

>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Ton Gerner 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi Jeremy,
>>
>> I wasn't clear in my description: I meant drag/drop from Explorer to my 
>> TW5. That works as described in my first post:
>> 1) Chrome OK
>> 2) Firefox no icon but a tiddler with strange characters. After changing 
>> the type from 'application/file' to 'image/x-icon' I got no icon in FF v26 
>> and only an image outline in FF v27.
>>
>> This happens with all icons I tried, also the $:/favicon.ico from 
>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/
>> editions/tw5.com/tiddlers/images/favicon.ico?raw=true<https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FJermolene%2FTiddlyWiki5%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2Feditions%2Ftw5.com%2Ftiddlers%2Fimages%2Ffavicon.ico%3Fraw%3Dtrue&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEwQLZteb-MDTy-aYieuuHtUvZoVw>
>>
>> If I drag/drop the $:/favicon.ico from http://tiddlywiki.com/ to my TW5 
>> it is OK (browser window => browser window).
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:06:57 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ton
>>>
>>> Is this a bug in Firefox or in TW5?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Do you get the same problem with all *.ico files? I was able to drag a 
>>> copy of the TW5 favicon into Firefox 27 on the Mac without any problems:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/
>>> editions/tw5.com/tiddlers/images/favicon.ico?raw=true
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy
>>>  
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Ton
>>>>
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[tw] Re: Better home button

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Dave,

AFAIK my Home button works ONLY with a single tiddler or a list of tiddlers 
in DefaultTiddlers.

It doesn't work with the later added possibility

[list[$:/StoryList]]

Cheers,

Ton



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>
> Hi guys,
>
> I just need a home button that will act as a link to one tiddler named 
> StartHere, but which is not the default tiddler. I don't care so much 
> whether it closes the other tiddlers, but that would be nice, too.
>
> I have been using Ton's home button, but it doesn't work if at some point 
> you have closed the default tiddler. Or at least it doesn't always work for 
> me, and I have to use the refresh in my browser to open the default tiddler 
> again.
>
> Thankful for any love you give me here.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
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[tw] Re: Better home button

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Dave,

Otherwise:

<$link to="HomeTiddler">{{$:/images/home-button}}


Cheers,

Ton


On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 2:19:44 PM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> AFAIK my Home button works ONLY with a single tiddler or a list of 
> tiddlers in DefaultTiddlers.
>
> It doesn't work with the later added possibility
>
> [list[$:/StoryList]]
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:41:28 PM UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I just need a home button that will act as a link to one tiddler named 
>> StartHere, but which is not the default tiddler. I don't care so much 
>> whether it closes the other tiddlers, but that would be nice, too.
>>
>> I have been using Ton's home button, but it doesn't work if at some point 
>> you have closed the default tiddler. Or at least it doesn't always work for 
>> me, and I have to use the refresh in my browser to open the default tiddler 
>> again.
>>
>> Thankful for any love you give me here.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dave
>>
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Re: [tw] Re: Better home button

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Dave,

I think

<$link 
to="HomeTiddler">{{$:/images/home-button}}

Cheers,

Ton

On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 4:18:33 PM UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi guys thanks for your ideas. In Ton's link below, where or how do I add 
> the purplebutton class? The home button shows as white on white until hover 
> when it turns black.
>
> <$link 
> to="HomeTiddler">{{$:/images/home-button}}
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Ton Gerner 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Otherwise:
>>
>> <$link 
>> to="HomeTiddler">{{$:/images/home-button}}
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 2:19:44 PM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Dave,
>>>
>>> AFAIK my Home button works ONLY with a single tiddler or a list of 
>>> tiddlers in DefaultTiddlers.
>>>
>>> It doesn't work with the later added possibility
>>>
>>> [list[$:/StoryList]]
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Ton
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:41:28 PM UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>
>>>> I just need a home button that will act as a link to one tiddler named 
>>>> StartHere, but which is not the default tiddler. I don't care so much 
>>>> whether it closes the other tiddlers, but that would be nice, too.
>>>>
>>>> I have been using Ton's home button, but it doesn't work if at some 
>>>> point you have closed the default tiddler. Or at least it doesn't always 
>>>> work for me, and I have to use the refresh in my browser to open the 
>>>> default tiddler again.
>>>>
>>>> Thankful for any love you give me here.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
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[tw] [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[Ton Gerner]

Hi all,

In TWc I was a fan of the TiddlersBarPlugin [1].
AFAIK Eric Shulman's BreadcrumbsPlugin [2] does about the same.

Based on the code of the 'Open' tab in the Sidebar of TW5, I made my own 
Tiddlersbar (or breadcrumbs).
I added it to my guide about a top and left menu [3].

Hope you enjoy it as much as I do.

Cheers,

Ton


[1] http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html
[2] http://www.tiddlytools.com/#BreadcrumbsPlugin
[3] http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/

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Re: [tw] [TW5] - Drag & drop of ico files does not work in Firefox

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jeremy,

I use the Utilu Mozilla Firefox Collection v1.1.0.4.
That contains Firefox versions from v2.0 to v30 Nightly that can be 
installed and used besides your standard Firefox.

Up till now I had only v3.6 and v16 installed.
Now I installed v20 and up.

I tested with v24, v25, v26, v27, v28beta1, v29 Aurora and v30 Nightly.

In ALL cases I could drag & drop favicon.ico from 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/editions/tw5.com/tiddlers/images/favicon.ico?raw=true
 
to Firefox and get a "normal" icon.

So it has to do with my standard Firefox browser.
Since I did start my standard browser with all add-ons disabled and could 
not get a "normal" icon by drag & drop of favicon.ico, there must be 
"Something rotten in the state of Denmark" so to speak.
Something wrong with the profile or so.

So you don't need to install a Windows 7 virtual machine; you can spend 
your time better ;)

Cheers,

Ton


On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:47:37 AM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Hi Jeremy,
>
> Even with all add-ons disabled it does not work with FF v27.
> It does work with FF v16 (the latest version that worked with TiddlySnip).
>
> On Monday, February 10, 2014 11:18:11 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> I can't duplicate the problem with Firefox 27 on Windows 8; dragging a 
>> favicon.ico from Windows Explorer to tiddlywiki.com/empty.html works 
>> fine. I don't have a Windows 7 virtual machine set up at the moment, which 
>> might be the next step in duplicating it. If you're on the hangout tomorrow 
>> perhaps you can demo the problem?
>>
>
> Sure.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Ton Gerner  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jeremy,
>>>
>>> I wasn't clear in my description: I meant drag/drop from Explorer to my 
>>> TW5. That works as described in my first post:
>>> 1) Chrome OK
>>> 2) Firefox no icon but a tiddler with strange characters. After changing 
>>> the type from 'application/file' to 'image/x-icon' I got no icon in FF v26 
>>> and only an image outline in FF v27.
>>>
>>> This happens with all icons I tried, also the $:/favicon.ico from 
>>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/
>>> editions/tw5.com/tiddlers/images/favicon.ico?raw=true<https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FJermolene%2FTiddlyWiki5%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2Feditions%2Ftw5.com%2Ftiddlers%2Fimages%2Ffavicon.ico%3Fraw%3Dtrue&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEwQLZteb-MDTy-aYieuuHtUvZoVw>
>>>
>>> If I drag/drop the $:/favicon.ico from http://tiddlywiki.com/ to my TW5 
>>> it is OK (browser window => browser window).
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Ton
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:06:57 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ton
>>>>
>>>> Is this a bug in Firefox or in TW5?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you get the same problem with all *.ico files? I was able to drag a 
>>>> copy of the TW5 favicon into Firefox 27 on the Mac without any problems:
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/
>>>> editions/tw5.com/tiddlers/images/favicon.ico?raw=true
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes
>>>>
>>>> Jeremy
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ton
>>>>>
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Re: [tw] [TW5] - Drag & drop of ico files does not work in Firefox

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jeremy,

And yes, with a fresh profile it works with my standard browser too.

Cheers,

Ton


On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:41:46 PM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Hi Jeremy,
>
> I use the Utilu Mozilla Firefox Collection v1.1.0.4.
> That contains Firefox versions from v2.0 to v30 Nightly that can be 
> installed and used besides your standard Firefox.
>
> Up till now I had only v3.6 and v16 installed.
> Now I installed v20 and up.
>
> I tested with v24, v25, v26, v27, v28beta1, v29 Aurora and v30 Nightly.
>
> In ALL cases I could drag & drop favicon.ico from 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/editions/tw5.com/tiddlers/images/favicon.ico?raw=trueto
>  Firefox and get a "normal" icon.
>
> So it has to do with my standard Firefox browser.
> Since I did start my standard browser with all add-ons disabled and could 
> not get a "normal" icon by drag & drop of favicon.ico, there must be 
> "Something rotten in the state of Denmark" so to speak.
> Something wrong with the profile or so.
>
> So you don't need to install a Windows 7 virtual machine; you can spend 
> your time better ;)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:47:37 AM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jeremy,
>>
>> Even with all add-ons disabled it does not work with FF v27.
>> It does work with FF v16 (the latest version that worked with TiddlySnip).
>>
>> On Monday, February 10, 2014 11:18:11 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>
>>> I can't duplicate the problem with Firefox 27 on Windows 8; dragging a 
>>> favicon.ico from Windows Explorer to tiddlywiki.com/empty.html works 
>>> fine. I don't have a Windows 7 virtual machine set up at the moment, which 
>>> might be the next step in duplicating it. If you're on the hangout tomorrow 
>>> perhaps you can demo the problem?
>>>
>>
>> Sure.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Ton Gerner  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jeremy,
>>>>
>>>> I wasn't clear in my description: I meant drag/drop from Explorer to my 
>>>> TW5. That works as described in my first post:
>>>> 1) Chrome OK
>>>> 2) Firefox no icon but a tiddler with strange characters. After 
>>>> changing the type from 'application/file' to 'image/x-icon' I got no icon 
>>>> in FF v26 and only an image outline in FF v27.
>>>>
>>>> This happens with all icons I tried, also the $:/favicon.ico from 
>>>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/
>>>> editions/tw5.com/tiddlers/images/favicon.ico?raw=true<https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FJermolene%2FTiddlyWiki5%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2Feditions%2Ftw5.com%2Ftiddlers%2Fimages%2Ffavicon.ico%3Fraw%3Dtrue&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEwQLZteb-MDTy-aYieuuHtUvZoVw>
>>>>
>>>> If I drag/drop the $:/favicon.ico from http://tiddlywiki.com/ to my 
>>>> TW5 it is OK (browser window => browser window).
>>>>
>>>> Hope that helps.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Ton
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:06:57 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ton
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this a bug in Firefox or in TW5?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you get the same problem with all *.ico files? I was able to drag a 
>>>>> copy of the TW5 favicon into Firefox 27 on the Mac without any problems:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/
>>>>> editions/tw5.com/tiddlers/images/favicon.ico?raw=true
>>>>>
>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeremy
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ton
>>>>>>
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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Leo,

On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 2:13:17 AM UTC+1, Leo Staley wrote:
>
> Hey, Ton! Great work.
>
Thanks.
First of all, I want to say I am an end-user like you; I'am not a 
developer/programmer. Keep that in mind.
I just want to share my experiments.
 

> Even though the following suggestions may sound like criticism, I still 
> intend to use this because it's so useful, even without addressing the 
> following concerns.
>
> A great implementation of the TiddlersBarPlugin is 
> here<http://tbgtd.tiddlyspot.com/#tbGtdTheme%20TiddlersBarPlugin%20desk>at 
> TobiBeer's 
> tbGTD<http://tbgtd.tiddlyspot.com/#tbGtdTheme%20TiddlersBarPlugin%20desk>. 
> The TiddlersBar Normally forces single page kind of view, so you're only 
> ever viewing one Tiddler at a time. If you open a new tiddler, the previous 
> one is hidden, but its title is visible in the TiddlersBar in a greyed out 
> color, as if they were in tabs. The currently viewed Tiddler is a different 
> color, so you can see which one you're in right now. Partly because of 
> this, the area where they are displayed is limited to just above the open 
> Tiddler, no further left, no further right. 
>
> Would you be able to adjust the code and/or CSS to bring those features 
> back too? Or at least, would you be able to explain to me how to do it? Or 
> some of them?
>

I have thought about the colored breadcrumbs (tabs in Tiddlersbar), but at 
the moment I don't know how to implement that.
In tbGTD Tiddlersbar and tiddlers scroll together. I use purposely a fixed 
top menu and 'Tiddlersbar'.

>
> Speaking of explaining to me how to do it, currently, I've tried 
> implementing your TopBar and Breadcrumbs into mine, a blank, new 
> TiddlyWiki, but it's not working.
>
> I created all 4 Tiddlers,
> $:/_topmenu
> $:/_breadcrumbs
> $:/_stylesheet/topmenu
> $:/_stylesheet/breadcrumbs
>
 

> Copypasted the contents from the instruction page, each tagged as 
> required, (there isn't a tag listed for what tags $:/_breadcrumbs should 
> have, so i've left its tags blank)
>
> And almost nothing happens. except both $:/_topmenu $:/_breadcrumbs 
> display the same content, which is a list of the open tiddlers. 
>
>
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> When I drag/drop the following 4 tiddlers:

$:/_topmenu
$:/_breadcrumbs
$:/_stylesheet/topmenu
$:/_stylesheet/breadcrumbs

into an empty TW5, I get working breadcrumbs on top, although you have to 
adjust the background color (see comments in $:/_stylesheet/topmenu).
There is a minor issue with the CSS of the close (x) at the end (a little 
bit too high).

Save, reload an add or open a few tiddlers. It ought to work, I cannot 
reproduce your problem.

Cheers,

Ton

>
> On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:59:16 PM UTC-7, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In TWc I was a fan of the TiddlersBarPlugin [1].
>> AFAIK Eric Shulman's BreadcrumbsPlugin [2] does about the same.
>>
>> Based on the code of the 'Open' tab in the Sidebar of TW5, I made my own 
>> Tiddlersbar (or breadcrumbs).
>> I added it to my guide about a top and left menu [3].
>>
>> Hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>>
>> [1] http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html
>> [2] http://www.tiddlytools.com/#BreadcrumbsPlugin
>> [3] http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Leo,

On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 5:41:48 AM UTC+1, Leo Staley wrote:
>
> While we're on it, might as well offer my thoughts and stuff.
>
> Even though I couldn't get it working on my Tiddlywiki, I downloaded the 
> Tiddlywiki at http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/ and tried editing that 
> instead.
>
> Unfortunately, if I change themes, everything falls apart and uglifies 
> quick. Would it be possible to make a more theme-neutral stylesheet for the 
> breadcrumbs, top-bar, and leftbar? 
>
> It is based on the Vanilla/Snow White theme. I did not try it with other 
themes, so at the moment I can't say anything about that. 
 

> Also, would it be possible to emulate the effect in TiddlersBar, where the 
> currently open tiddler tab has a different color, perhaps by using 
> something with the zoomin view or something?  
>

As I already explained: I have thought about that but at the moment I don't 
know how to implement that.

Cheers,

Ton

>
> On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 6:13:17 PM UTC-7, Leo Staley wrote:
>>
>> Hey, Ton! Great work. Even though the following suggestions may sound 
>> like criticism, I still intend to use this because it's so useful, even 
>> without addressing the following concerns.
>>
>> A great implementation of the TiddlersBarPlugin is 
>> here<http://tbgtd.tiddlyspot.com/#tbGtdTheme%20TiddlersBarPlugin%20desk>at 
>> TobiBeer's 
>> tbGTD<http://tbgtd.tiddlyspot.com/#tbGtdTheme%20TiddlersBarPlugin%20desk>. 
>> The TiddlersBar Normally forces single page kind of view, so you're only 
>> ever viewing one Tiddler at a time. If you open a new tiddler, the previous 
>> one is hidden, but its title is visible in the TiddlersBar in a greyed out 
>> color, as if they were in tabs. The currently viewed Tiddler is a different 
>> color, so you can see which one you're in right now. Partly because of 
>> this, the area where they are displayed is limited to just above the open 
>> Tiddler, no further left, no further right. 
>>
>> Would you be able to adjust the code and/or CSS to bring those features 
>> back too? Or at least, would you be able to explain to me how to do it? Or 
>> some of them?
>>
>> Speaking of explaining to me how to do it, currently, I've tried 
>> implementing your TopBar and Breadcrumbs into mine, a blank, new 
>> TiddlyWiki, but it's not working.
>>
>> I created all 4 Tiddlers,
>> $:/_topmenu
>> $:/_breadcrumbs
>> $:/_stylesheet/topmenu
>> $:/_stylesheet/breadcrumbs
>> Copypasted the contents from the instruction page, each tagged as 
>> required, (there isn't a tag listed for what tags $:/_breadcrumbs should 
>> have, so i've left its tags blank)
>>
>> And almost nothing happens. except both $:/_topmenu $:/_breadcrumbs 
>> display the same content, which is a list of the open tiddlers. 
>>
>>
>>
>> What am I doing wrong?
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:59:16 PM UTC-7, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> In TWc I was a fan of the TiddlersBarPlugin [1].
>>> AFAIK Eric Shulman's BreadcrumbsPlugin [2] does about the same.
>>>
>>> Based on the code of the 'Open' tab in the Sidebar of TW5, I made my own 
>>> Tiddlersbar (or breadcrumbs).
>>> I added it to my guide about a top and left menu [3].
>>>
>>> Hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Ton
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html
>>> [2] http://www.tiddlytools.com/#BreadcrumbsPlugin
>>> [3] http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Danielo,


On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:18:33 AM UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> Hello Ton.
>
> Thank you very much for sharing your TW customizations. They are very 
> useful and I'm using them a lot. Really, I love them
>

Glad to hear. From previous posts I already know you like my customizations 
;)

> I don't want to sound negative, sorry if so, but I think your "hows to" 
> are a bit hard to understand for newbies. When I first installed the topbar 
> Menu I had to read the description more than 10 times. At the end 
> experimenting gave me the answer. I don't mean you have the responsibility 
> to introduce people to TW, but maybe you should point to any other tutorial.
>
> You are not negative at all. And I can imagine it will be difficult for 
newbies.
It is a good idea to point to other tutorials like Dave's TiddlyQuickly [2] 
and his mall [3] 

As mentioned at [1]:



*I started experimenting with TW5 at the end of September 2013 
(alpha10).Since I missed a few things in the layout I got used to in 
TiddlyWiki Classic, I started with modifying the layout of TW5.To share my 
knowledge, I made a few guides about my 'modifications'.*

My guides started as a personal notebook (yeah, the subtitle of 
TiddlyWiki!).
So I started experimenting with layout things and using TW5 to document my 
experiments as well.

For this particular case: I followed your instructions and I can't get your 
> leftMenu to work. Did you noticed that you don't talk about your slider 
> macro?
>

Oops, you are right. I added the slider macro to $:/core/ui/PageMacros so I 
could use it everywhere in my guide but forgot I need it separate for the 
menu with sliders in it.

 

> \define slider(label,text)
> <$button popup="$:/state/$label$" class="btn-invisible tw-slider"><$list 
> filter="[[$label$]]"><$view field="title"/>
> <$reveal type="nomatch" text="" default="" state="$:/state/$label$" 
> animate="yes">
> $text$
> 
> \end
>  I just pasted that macro definition in the LeftMenu (not $:/_leftmenu) 
> and now I can see the options.
>

If you have to add the slider definition to LeftMenu, the separation of 
$:/_leftmenu and LeftMenu does not make sense anymore.
On second thought - the sliders link to tiddlers in my guide - I will 
change the left menu to 'basic' links to tiddlers and mention the sliders 
in "Some suggestions for menu entries" at the bottom of the Left menu 
tiddler.
 

> Maybe someone is experiencing the same issue.
> I think the list of tiddlers needed is splitted. This tiddlers:
>
> $:/_leftmenu 
> $:/_stylesheet/leftmenu 
> LeftMenu
>
> looks not enough.
>
> I have already installed your topMenu with buttons, so I'm affraid that I 
> have to work a little bit to make it work together. 
>

Did you see the link at the bottom of the "Top menu + breadcrumbs" tiddler? 
See second note, link 'adjusted' at the end. At first it was a - more 
prominent - slider.
May be, I have to emphasize it. It links to 'Stylesheet adjustments'
What is written there evolved from my own experiments to add breadcrumbs to 
my top menu with toolbar.
 

>
> Just one more question: why did you append _(uderscore) to all your 
> tiddlers? This has changed since the version I have installed and I have to 
> do lot of work to "implement" new features.
>

I added the underscore to get all my system tiddlers on top of the list 
(less scrolling in the System tab).
Sorry for the inconvenience, but my guides are "work in progress"
 
Cheers,

Ton

[1] http://tongerner.tiddlyspot.com/
[2] http://giffmex.org/TiddlyQuickly.html
[3] http://www.giffmex.org/tw5mall.htm



> El martes, 11 de febrero de 2014 20:59:16 UTC+1, Ton Gerner escribió:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In TWc I was a fan of the TiddlersBarPlugin [1].
>> AFAIK Eric Shulman's BreadcrumbsPlugin [2] does about the same.
>>
>> Based on the code of the 'Open' tab in the Sidebar of TW5, I made my own 
>> Tiddlersbar (or breadcrumbs).
>> I added it to my guide about a top and left menu [3].
>>
>> Hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>>
>> [1] http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html
>> [2] http://www.tiddlytools.com/#BreadcrumbsPlugin
>> [3] http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Danielo,

On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:46:28 AM UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> Hello again Ton.
>
> At the end I got this working with this problems:
>
> * Since the possition is fixed I can not scroll down when the list is too 
> long.
>

I think you mean the left menu. Yes it is fixed (purposely I have to 
admit). Without experimenting I can't say anything worthwile ;}

* Because the stylesheet modifies the left margin of the story river, it 
> goes out of the screen (I have to scrool) when the right sideBar is hidden.
>

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. What goes out of the screen?

* Significant slow down of my TW.
>
 
Caused by the left menu? Sliders?

>
> Are you going to integrate the leftMenu with your topbar with buttons ?
>

To be honest: No, I do.t want to. It was just an experiment; left menu 
instead of top menu. I want to add more to the top menu.
 

> Anyway, I'll keep trying.
>

The best way to learn ;}

Cheers,

Ton 

>
> El miércoles, 12 de febrero de 2014 08:18:33 UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez 
> escribió:
>>
>> Hello Ton.
>>
>> Thank you very much for sharing your TW customizations. They are very 
>> useful and I'm using them a lot. Really, I love them
>> I don't want to sound negative, sorry if so, but I think your "hows to" 
>> are a bit hard to understand for newbies. When I first installed the topbar 
>> Menu I had to read the description more than 10 times. At the end 
>> experimenting gave me the answer. I don't mean you have the responsibility 
>> to introduce people to TW, but maybe you should point to any other tutorial.
>>
>> For this particular case: I followed your instructions and I can't get 
>> your leftMenu to work. Did you noticed that you don't talk about your 
>> slider macro?
>> \define slider(label,text)
>> <$button popup="$:/state/$label$" class="btn-invisible tw-slider"><$list 
>> filter="[[$label$]]"><$view field="title"/>
>> <$reveal type="nomatch" text="" default="" state="$:/state/$label$" 
>> animate="yes">
>> $text$
>> 
>> \end
>>  I just pasted that macro definition in the LeftMenu (not $:/_leftmenu) 
>> and now I can see the options. Maybe someone is experiencing the same issue.
>> I think the list of tiddlers needed is splitted. This tiddlers:
>>
>> $:/_leftmenu 
>> $:/_stylesheet/leftmenu 
>> LeftMenu
>>
>> looks not enough.
>>
>> I have already installed your topMenu with buttons, so I'm affraid that I 
>> have to work a little bit to make it work together. 
>>
>> Just one more question: why did you append _(uderscore) to all your 
>> tiddlers? This has changed since the version I have installed and I have to 
>> do lot of work to "implement" new features.
>>
>> El martes, 11 de febrero de 2014 20:59:16 UTC+1, Ton Gerner escribió:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> In TWc I was a fan of the TiddlersBarPlugin [1].
>>> AFAIK Eric Shulman's BreadcrumbsPlugin [2] does about the same.
>>>
>>> Based on the code of the 'Open' tab in the Sidebar of TW5, I made my own 
>>> Tiddlersbar (or breadcrumbs).
>>> I added it to my guide about a top and left menu [3].
>>>
>>> Hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Ton
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html
>>> [2] http://www.tiddlytools.com/#BreadcrumbsPlugin
>>> [3] http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Danielo,

On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:46:28 AM UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> Hello again Ton.
>
> At the end I got this working with this problems:
>
> * Since the possition is fixed I can not scroll down when the list is too 
> long.
>

I think you mean the left menu. Yes it is fixed (purposely I have to 
admit). Without experimenting I can't say anything worthwile ;}

* Because the stylesheet modifies the left margin of the story river, it 
> goes out of the screen (I have to scrool) when the right sideBar is hidden.
>

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. What goes out of the screen?

* Significant slow down of my TW.
>
 
Caused by the left menu? Sliders?

>
> Are you going to integrate the leftMenu with your topbar with buttons ?
>

To be honest: No, I do.t want to. It was just an experiment; left menu 
instead of top menu. I want to add more to the top menu.
 

> Anyway, I'll keep trying.
>

The best way to learn ;}

Cheers,

Ton 

>
> El miércoles, 12 de febrero de 2014 08:18:33 UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez 
> escribió:
>>
>> Hello Ton.
>>
>> Thank you very much for sharing your TW customizations. They are very 
>> useful and I'm using them a lot. Really, I love them
>> I don't want to sound negative, sorry if so, but I think your "hows to" 
>> are a bit hard to understand for newbies. When I first installed the topbar 
>> Menu I had to read the description more than 10 times. At the end 
>> experimenting gave me the answer. I don't mean you have the responsibility 
>> to introduce people to TW, but maybe you should point to any other tutorial.
>>
>> For this particular case: I followed your instructions and I can't get 
>> your leftMenu to work. Did you noticed that you don't talk about your 
>> slider macro?
>> \define slider(label,text)
>> <$button popup="$:/state/$label$" class="btn-invisible tw-slider"><$list 
>> filter="[[$label$]]"><$view field="title"/>
>> <$reveal type="nomatch" text="" default="" state="$:/state/$label$" 
>> animate="yes">
>> $text$
>> 
>> \end
>>  I just pasted that macro definition in the LeftMenu (not $:/_leftmenu) 
>> and now I can see the options. Maybe someone is experiencing the same issue.
>> I think the list of tiddlers needed is splitted. This tiddlers:
>>
>> $:/_leftmenu 
>> $:/_stylesheet/leftmenu 
>> LeftMenu
>>
>> looks not enough.
>>
>> I have already installed your topMenu with buttons, so I'm affraid that I 
>> have to work a little bit to make it work together. 
>>
>> Just one more question: why did you append _(uderscore) to all your 
>> tiddlers? This has changed since the version I have installed and I have to 
>> do lot of work to "implement" new features.
>>
>> El martes, 11 de febrero de 2014 20:59:16 UTC+1, Ton Gerner escribió:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> In TWc I was a fan of the TiddlersBarPlugin [1].
>>> AFAIK Eric Shulman's BreadcrumbsPlugin [2] does about the same.
>>>
>>> Based on the code of the 'Open' tab in the Sidebar of TW5, I made my own 
>>> Tiddlersbar (or breadcrumbs).
>>> I added it to my guide about a top and left menu [3].
>>>
>>> Hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Ton
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html
>>> [2] http://www.tiddlytools.com/#BreadcrumbsPlugin
>>> [3] http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Leo,

On Thursday, February 13, 2014 1:39:09 PM UTC+1, Leo Staley wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 3:55:18 AM UTC-7, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>
>> Hi Leo,
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 2:13:17 AM UTC+1, Leo Staley wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey, Ton! Great work.
>>>
>> Thanks.
>> First of all, I want to say I am an end-user like you; I'am not a 
>> developer/programmer. Keep that in mind.
>> I just want to share my experiments.
>>
>
> Duly noted! We are but two students comparing notes.
>  
>
>>  
>> I have thought about the colored breadcrumbs (tabs in Tiddlersbar), but 
>> at the moment I don't know how to implement that.
>> In tbGTD Tiddlersbar and tiddlers scroll together. I use purposely a 
>> fixed top menu and 'Tiddlersbar'.
>>
>
> You seem to have a working version close to what I'm talking about on your 
> personal site at http://www.tongerner.tk/. Unfortunately, I can't even 
> look behind the scenes at the tiddlers there to even try figuring out how 
> its working.
>

But that one is a TW Classic!
Menu structure made with Saq Imtiaz's DropDownMenuPlugin, 
TiddlersBarPlugin, a lot of horizontal/vertical tabs and CSS.

>
>  
>
>>
>>> Speaking of explaining to me how to do it, currently, I've tried 
>>> implementing your TopBar and Breadcrumbs into mine, a blank, new 
>>> TiddlyWiki, but it's not working.
>>>
>>> I created all 4 Tiddlers,
>>> $:/_topmenu
>>> $:/_breadcrumbs
>>> $:/_stylesheet/topmenu
>>> $:/_stylesheet/breadcrumbs
>>>
>>  
>>
>>> Copypasted the contents from the instruction page, each tagged as 
>>> required, (there isn't a tag listed for what tags $:/_breadcrumbs should 
>>> have, so i've left its tags blank)
>>>
>>> And almost nothing happens. except both $:/_topmenu $:/_breadcrumbs 
>>> display the same content, which is a list of the open tiddlers. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What am I doing wrong?
>>>
>>> When I drag/drop the following 4 tiddlers:
>>
>> $:/_topmenu
>> $:/_breadcrumbs
>> $:/_stylesheet/topmenu
>> $:/_stylesheet/breadcrumbs
>>
>> into an empty TW5, I get working breadcrumbs on top, although you have to 
>> adjust the background color (see comments in $:/_stylesheet/topmenu).
>> There is a minor issue with the CSS of the close (x) at the end (a little 
>> bit too high).
>>
>> Save, reload an add or open a few tiddlers. It ought to work, I cannot 
>> reproduce your problem.
>>
>
> My problem was I was trying to follow the instructions by creating the 
> tiddlers myself. Happily, It worked (mostly) when I drag and dropped the 
> tiddlers instead.
>
In principle there is no difference between creating the tiddlers yourself 
and drag/drop since the code shown is the "real" code.

>
> I'm going to teach myself a bunch of CSS and try to get breadcrumbs bar to 
> show up just above the tiddler, like the TiddlersBar worked. 
>
> I'm also trying to add your other Top bar and left sidebar, and have met 
> with catastrophic results. The only other changes to the tiddlywiki are 
> that I have made are I changed a few values in the Theme Tweaks for 
> Vanilla, and I also installed another theme, but it isn't activated.
>
 
Don't mix the top menu with toolbar from tw5toolbar with the top & left 
menu from tw5topleft! That will NOT work by just drag & drop!
In principle they could be combined, but you need to know what you are 
doing.
If you want to do that start with the top menu from tw5toolbar and add a 
new button for the left menu.
Anyhow the height of the top menu need top be increased.
Check the comments in the stylesheets.

>
>
> Currently, after adding (via drag and drop) all the "required tiddlers" on 
> both tw5topleft and tw5toolbar, my page is all screwed up, and the 
> breadcrumbs are gone. It looks like this: 
>
> http://imgur.com/l4rEQzD
>
> I also didn't really understand anything of what you were saying about the 
> slider issue. I tried copy/pasting the code you gave into the LeftMenu 
> Tiddler, but no results. Tried also adding it to the pagemacros tiddler as 
> you suggested, and also, nothing. 
>

> Though, As I think about it, this might just be because I don't have all 
> of the Tiddlers that the left bar is referring to. 
>

Yes, that's the main issue: the left menu is - for Documentation and Menus 
- referring to tiddlers in the guide. The other entries will work since 
they are referring to

[tw] Re: Hiding/Showing Tiddler Link Lists

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Scott,

There is no javascript involved.
I am an end-user, no developer/programmer.
It all uses TiddlyWiki filters, list, etc.

The menu uses a slider macro (at the start of the menu tiddler)

\define slider(label,text)
<$button popup="$:/state/$label$" class="btn-invisible tw-slider"><$list 
filter="[[$label$]]"><$view field="title"/>
<$reveal type="nomatch" text="" default="" state="$:/state/$label$" animate=
"yes">
$text$

\end

To be called as:

<>

The actual menu uses things like:

<>
<>

Note: instead of text in the slider macro, the tiddler 'Submenu 
Documentation' will be transcluded.

The submenu tiddler 'Submenu Documentation' contains:


<$list filter="[tag[documentation]sort[title]]"><$link 
to={{!!title}}><$view field="title"/>



Hope that helps.

Cheers,

Ton


On Thursday, February 13, 2014 5:35:47 PM UTC+1, runfore...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hi all, this is my first post.
>
> First of all I'd like to say that I've been looking for the most secure, 
> customizable and cross-platform note taking tool for a long time. I've used 
> Evernote, OneNote, Basket Note Pads, but this is by far the most amazing 
> and cool thing I've ever been able to get my hands on. It satisfies all my 
> criteria (which no other software to date has been able to do), so a big 
> thanks to Jeremy and all of you in this community!
>
> Now to my question.
>
> I'm trying to make something like the drop-down text menu that Ton Gerner 
> has here: http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> When you click the top-left arrow, you get a menu that pops up, and within 
> that there's another menu that looks like this:
>
> Documentation >>
>
> Menus >>
>
> Buttons>>
>
> etc.
>
> Each of these display a list of tiddler links that you can click on, and 
> if you click them again these links disappear. I want to learn how to 
> implement this into my main article tiddler..
> I'd like to write something similar like
>
> Linux>>
> BASH
> Perl
>
> Could someone please show me how to do it? I write Perl but unfortunately 
> am not that skilled with Javascript and all the markup we use here.
>
> Best, 
>
> Scott
>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlersBar or Breadcrumbs

[Ton Gerner]

Glad you like it.

Cheers,

Ton

On Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:28:02 PM UTC+1, Jonathan Emmert wrote:
>
> Ton,
> I did a lot of digging into your left menu and got it working on my site 
> (even with a slightly different theme) - AND I LOVE IT!  Thank you for 
> putting this together.  My wiki is much more navigable now.  Many thanks!
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 2:59:16 PM UTC-5, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In TWc I was a fan of the TiddlersBarPlugin [1].
>> AFAIK Eric Shulman's BreadcrumbsPlugin [2] does about the same.
>>
>> Based on the code of the 'Open' tab in the Sidebar of TW5, I made my own 
>> Tiddlersbar (or breadcrumbs).
>> I added it to my guide about a top and left menu [3].
>>
>> Hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>>
>> [1] http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html
>> [2] http://www.tiddlytools.com/#BreadcrumbsPlugin
>> [3] http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Hiding/Showing Tiddler Link Lists

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Scott,

Glad you like it so much.
It's my way of promoting Jeremy's terrific TiddlyWiki 5.

Cheers,

Ton


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>
> Ton, your walkthroughs and customizations are by far the most useful I've 
> ever come across, and I'm glad that you helped me with this one. I've got 
> it working now due to your help. 
>
> Thanks Ton!
>
>

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Re: [tw] [TW5] Stylesheet issues (html, html body, html body.tw-body)

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jeremy,

Sorry, that 'fake' dom and DOM stuff is "developer speak" I do not 
understand. I got some idea when reading Document Object Model in 
Wikipedia, but I am not a programmer.
But that aside.

Just to be sure, did you read [1] and [2]?

Since the text/css (manually added) type gave problems in 5.0.7beta, I'am 
using text/plain instead.

In [3] you mentioned:


*I've added text/css for 5.0.8At the moment they'll both be displayed the 
same, and the stylesheet mechanism will render both the same. But text/css 
would be a clearer way to mark intention.*

Since text/css and text/plain behave different in 5.0.7beta, I want to be 
sure it will be fixed in 5.0.8beta ;)

One other thing. I tried to use the list field of $:/tags/stylesheet to 
achieve executing of stylesheets in the right order.
It did work (only partially) but I don't know if it is allowed. Is it?

Cheers,

Ton

[1] 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/stylesheet|sort:date/tiddlywiki/j3rvC_hH78o/yG8rCuQQiHMJ
[2] https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/395
[3] https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/UOBPRMjWbqU/N_pdHgtrwXgJ


On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:22:20 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Ton
>
> The current situation is that the stylesheet mechanism renders the tiddler 
> $:/core/ui/PageStylesheet into a special "fake" dom, and then extracts the 
> text and jams it into a 

[tw] Re: Checkbox to remove a tag?

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Brian,

Search for TaskManagementExample at http://tiddlywiki.com/

Cheers,

Ton

On Friday, February 14, 2014 3:48:42 PM UTC+1, Brian J. Geraghty wrote:
>
> Found this cool trick on a wiki somewhere recently
>
> "<$checkbox tag="Pilot"> ~~<$link to={{!!title}}><$view 
> field="title"/>~~"
>
> and I was wondering (trying to set up a workflow) would I be able to use a 
> checkbox to remove a tag? Say my list shows stuff that is listed as 1, 2 
> and by checking the box I could remove tag 2 and add tag 3. would something 
> like that be possible?
>
> thanks!
>
> Love this wiki stuff.
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Left menu question

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jon,

Sure,see [1] Menu > Left menu
At the bottom: tab Tag pill based entries.

Cheers,

Ton

[1] http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/

On Friday, February 14, 2014 4:57:47 PM UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> regarding Ton's very nice Left Menu, is it possible to show a tag pill as 
> a submenu heading?
>
> Thanks
> Jon
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Left menu question

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jon,

Try:

{{tagname||$:/core/ui/TagTemplate}}

You get a dropdown menu 'tagname' which contains all tiddlers tagged with 
'tagname'.

Cheers,

Ton

On Friday, February 14, 2014 5:28:31 PM UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>
> Thanks, Ton but I can't follow the instructions. 
>
> I know how to display tag pills in a tiddler, but is it possible to show 
> the tag as a menu or sub menu item, i.e. as part of the menu list?
> If so, I don't know how to do that.
>
> Jon
>
> On Friday, 14 February 2014 16:12:57 UTC, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jon,
>>
>> Sure,see [1] Menu > Left menu
>> At the bottom: tab Tag pill based entries.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>> [1] http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> On Friday, February 14, 2014 4:57:47 PM UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> regarding Ton's very nice Left Menu, is it possible to show a tag pill 
>>> as a submenu heading?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Jon
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Left menu question

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jon,

The combination of a slider and tag pills doesn't make sense I think.
In that case the tag pill itself is the submenu. If you click the slider 
the tag pill appears as 'submenu'. Clicking the tag pill shows the submenu 
defined by the tag pill (the tag pill itself disappears).

The 'Some suggestions for menu entries' slider in my guide gives 
alternatives to the slider menu:

1) Standard entries, just links to [[tiddlers as entries]], the most simple 
sort of menu
2) Tag based entries, e.g. {{{ [tag[topmenu]] }}}
3) Tag pill based entries as {{tagname||$:/core/ui/TagTemplate}}

With 3) you get a dropdown menu 'tagname' which contains all tiddlers 
tagged with 'tagname'.

I think the slider menu is the best for the left menu, while the tag pill 
based menu is the best for a top menu.
You can insert {{tagname||$:/core/ui/TagTemplate}} in $:/_topmenu but at 
the moment the Tiddlersbar (breadcrumbs) overlays the tag pills and 
dropdown menus.

Cheers,

Ton

On Friday, February 14, 2014 7:32:35 PM UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>
> Thanks, Ton but I don't know where to insert it.
>
> I tried: <> for the tag 
> named s2s.
>
> The tag pill appears in the menu but when I click it, it disappears - I've 
> obviously inserted it in the wrong place, but I don't know where it should 
> be in order to work.
>
> Regards
> Jon
>
>
>
> On Friday, 14 February 2014 16:59:02 UTC, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jon,
>>
>> Try:
>>
>> {{tagname||$:/core/ui/TagTemplate}}
>>
>> You get a dropdown menu 'tagname' which contains all tiddlers tagged with 
>> 'tagname'.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>> On Friday, February 14, 2014 5:28:31 PM UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, Ton but I can't follow the instructions. 
>>>
>>> I know how to display tag pills in a tiddler, but is it possible to show 
>>> the tag as a menu or sub menu item, i.e. as part of the menu list?
>>> If so, I don't know how to do that.
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> On Friday, 14 February 2014 16:12:57 UTC, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jon,
>>>>
>>>> Sure,see [1] Menu > Left menu
>>>> At the bottom: tab Tag pill based entries.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Ton
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, February 14, 2014 4:57:47 PM UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> regarding Ton's very nice Left Menu, is it possible to show a tag pill 
>>>>> as a submenu heading?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Jon
>>>>>
>>>>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Left menu question

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jon,

On Friday, February 14, 2014 8:29:35 PM UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>
> Hi Ton,
>  
>  sorry to hassle you with this but your observation would be just what I 
> wanted:
>
> "In that case the tag pill itself is the submenu. If you click the slider 
>> the tag pill appears as 'submenu'. Clicking the tag pill shows the submenu 
>> defined by the tag pill (the tag pill itself disappears)."
>>
>
> I just don't know how to do it. Could you suggest what I need to copy & 
> paste?
>

What I described was just what I saw when I implemented your code (only 
changed for the tagname so I could check it in my guide):

<>

So, yes it works, although it doesn't look that good to my opinion.

Cheers,

Ton

>
> Thanks
> Jon
>
>
> On Friday, 14 February 2014 19:08:57 UTC, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jon,
>>
>> The combination of a slider and tag pills doesn't make sense I think.
>> In that case the tag pill itself is the submenu. If you click the slider 
>> the tag pill appears as 'submenu'. Clicking the tag pill shows the submenu 
>> defined by the tag pill (the tag pill itself disappears).
>>
>> The 'Some suggestions for menu entries' slider in my guide gives 
>> alternatives to the slider menu:
>>
>> 1) Standard entries, just links to [[tiddlers as entries]], the most 
>> simple sort of menu
>> 2) Tag based entries, e.g. {{{ [tag[topmenu]] }}}
>> 3) Tag pill based entries as {{tagname||$:/core/ui/TagTemplate}}
>>
>> With 3) you get a dropdown menu 'tagname' which contains all tiddlers 
>> tagged with 'tagname'.
>>
>> I think the slider menu is the best for the left menu, while the tag pill 
>> based menu is the best for a top menu.
>> You can insert {{tagname||$:/core/ui/TagTemplate}} in $:/_topmenu but at 
>> the moment the Tiddlersbar (breadcrumbs) overlays the tag pills and 
>> dropdown menus.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>> On Friday, February 14, 2014 7:32:35 PM UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, Ton but I don't know where to insert it.
>>>
>>> I tried: <> for the 
>>> tag named s2s.
>>>
>>> The tag pill appears in the menu but when I click it, it disappears - 
>>> I've obviously inserted it in the wrong place, but I don't know where it 
>>> should be in order to work.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, 14 February 2014 16:59:02 UTC, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jon,
>>>>
>>>> Try:
>>>>
>>>> {{tagname||$:/core/ui/TagTemplate}}
>>>>
>>>> You get a dropdown menu 'tagname' which contains all tiddlers tagged 
>>>> with 'tagname'.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Ton
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, February 14, 2014 5:28:31 PM UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Ton but I can't follow the instructions. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I know how to display tag pills in a tiddler, but is it possible to 
>>>>> show the tag as a menu or sub menu item, i.e. as part of the menu list?
>>>>> If so, I don't know how to do that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jon
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, 14 February 2014 16:12:57 UTC, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jon,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure,see [1] Menu > Left menu
>>>>>> At the bottom: tab Tag pill based entries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ton
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, February 14, 2014 4:57:47 PM UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> regarding Ton's very nice Left Menu, is it possible to show a tag 
>>>>>>> pill as a submenu heading?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Left menu question

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jon,

Don't laugh, at the moment it doesn't work anymore in my TW!

And it did work, I described what I observed. I don't know what happened in 
between
To be honest I tried it in a slightly modified version (LeftMenu and 
$:/_leftmenu combined, I am trying to optimize a few things and used this 
'work' version), but that cannot be the reason I think.

Anyway, I still don't see what would be the advantage of using the slider 
(which when clicked shows the tag pill) above the tag pill itself.
You don't like a list of tag pills in the menu?
I did not try it (yet), but with some CSS you can adjust the appearance of 
the tag pills.

Cheers,

Ton

On Friday, February 14, 2014 9:01:11 PM UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>
> Hi Ton,
>
> Please let me know when you get fed up of this thread!
>
> When I try to implement this, the tag name "documentation" or my 
> equivalent appears in the list but when I click on it for the drop-down, it 
> disappears.
>
> If it's working in your wiki, I wonder what's missing in mine?
>
> Regards
> Jon
>
>
>
> On Friday, 14 February 2014 19:53:57 UTC, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jon,
>>
>> On Friday, February 14, 2014 8:29:35 PM UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Ton,
>>>  
>>>  sorry to hassle you with this but your observation would be just what I 
>>> wanted:
>>>
>>> "In that case the tag pill itself is the submenu. If you click the 
>>>> slider the tag pill appears as 'submenu'. Clicking the tag pill shows the 
>>>> submenu defined by the tag pill (the tag pill itself disappears)."
>>>>
>>>
>>> I just don't know how to do it. Could you suggest what I need to copy & 
>>> paste?
>>>
>>
>> What I described was just what I saw when I implemented your code (only 
>> changed for the tagname so I could check it in my guide):
>>
>> <>
>>
>> So, yes it works, although it doesn't look that good to my opinion.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, 14 February 2014 19:08:57 UTC, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jon,
>>>>
>>>> The combination of a slider and tag pills doesn't make sense I think.
>>>> In that case the tag pill itself is the submenu. If you click the 
>>>> slider the tag pill appears as 'submenu'. Clicking the tag pill shows the 
>>>> submenu defined by the tag pill (the tag pill itself disappears).
>>>>
>>>> The 'Some suggestions for menu entries' slider in my guide gives 
>>>> alternatives to the slider menu:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Standard entries, just links to [[tiddlers as entries]], the most 
>>>> simple sort of menu
>>>> 2) Tag based entries, e.g. {{{ [tag[topmenu]] }}}
>>>> 3) Tag pill based entries as {{tagname||$:/core/ui/TagTemplate}}
>>>>
>>>> With 3) you get a dropdown menu 'tagname' which contains all tiddlers 
>>>> tagged with 'tagname'.
>>>>
>>>> I think the slider menu is the best for the left menu, while the tag 
>>>> pill based menu is the best for a top menu.
>>>> You can insert {{tagname||$:/core/ui/TagTemplate}} in $:/_topmenu but 
>>>> at the moment the Tiddlersbar (breadcrumbs) overlays the tag pills and 
>>>> dropdown menus.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Ton
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, February 14, 2014 7:32:35 PM UTC+1, Jon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Ton but I don't know where to insert it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried: <> for the 
>>>>> tag named s2s.
>>>>>
>>>>> The tag pill appears in the menu but when I click it, it disappears - 
>>>>> I've obviously inserted it in the wrong place, but I don't know where it 
>>>>> should be in order to work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Jon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, 14 February 2014 16:59:02 UTC, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jon,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Try:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> {{tagname||$:/core/ui/TagTemplate}}
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You get a dropdown menu 'tagname' which contains all tiddlers tagged 
>

[tw] Re: [TW5] 3 properly functioning columns. I'm begging for help making this work. Please. I can't even sleep.

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Leo,

First of all:

If you like TW Classic better than TW5, why don't you stay with TWc?
At the moment I use my TWc wikis alongside my TW5 ones.
And to be honest, the main things I still do in TWc (like my wiki about the 
history of the western part of Amsterdam [1], wikis about TWc itself, about 
portable software and so on).

Just wait and there will be more color schemes, themes etc.

On the other hand, if you want to use TW5, you have to learn step by step.
I think you have to read Mario's post very well and act accordingly.

When I started (in 2007) to use TW Classic for my description about the 
history of the western part of Amsterdam [1], I started with the default 
layout of TiddlyWiki. At that moment I knew a little bit of HTML and 
nothing about CSS.
During the years I learned the basics of CSS step by step. I just learned 
what I needed to change my TWc the way I wanted it.
It took me to april 2011 before I reached the layout I use now (with 
dropdown menus, tiddlersbar, tabs etc.).

At the end of september 2013 I started as a newbie with TW5. For sure it 
helped I used and experimented with TWc.
Since I missed a few things in the layout I got used to in TiddlyWiki 
Classic 1, I started with modifying the layout of TW5.
And I used TW5 also to document my experiments. And that led to the guides 
I made.
(But for me there is still a lot to learn about TW5, especially that list 
and filter stuff).

So, start simple and experiment, experiment, experiment. Small steps at a 
time!
As an example look at the 'Changelog' of my guides (e.g. the 'oldest' 
tw5toolbar), and you will see I did it step by step.

That said, some clarifications about what you observed, hope that helps.

On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 10:02:39 AM UTC+1, Leo Staley wrote:
>
> I know it's possible. I just do not have the computer programming skills 
> to make it happen, even after 100 hours of trying to learn CSS, HTML and 
> TiddlyWiki the past month. 
>
> All I want is *3 things which I know are possible.* They're probably even 
> *EASY 
> **for those who know what they're doing. *
>
> 1) My 3 columns from the old TiddlyWiki back, (Okay, I also want the 
> topbar and the columns collapsible, but this has been done already. I can't 
> do it. (Best Case Scenario would be to have something very close to 
> http://tbgtd.tiddlyspot.com/))
> 2) A simple, straightforward color scheme that doesn't hurt my eyes, like 
> current grey one does. (Again, tbGTD is the best i've found, but other dark 
> ones are great too)
> 3) A more compact, tighter presentation in both view and edit mode, 
> without all of the extra vertical and horizontal empty space, like TWC used 
> to do. 
>
> It's not that I dislike the current visual setup of TW5. I just can't even 
> work in it. I need the old look back. Everything is too vertically 
> stretched and/or filled with empty space, and or confined too narrowly when 
> I need it wider. (When I use Preview, the columns are just so *ridiculously 
> *narrow.) I don't want to have to change the story-river and tiddler 
> width every single time I use a different monitor! :(
>
> Did you have a look at my guide about a top menu and toolbars?
There are 4 options for fixed width/fluid width and sidebar/hidden sidebar.
 

> I literally cannot use Tiddlywiki5 as it is currently visually setup. 
>
> One major reason I can't even edit it to my needs is because everything is 
> so radically decentralized and scattered compared to TWC. It's too hard. 
> Too confusing. Everything in the style sheet(s) has its own specified 
> colors distinct from the colourmap, and different absolute and fixed and 
> relative positions and widths distinct from everything else.* So when I 
> try to experiment with a single change, everything breaks.*
>
> I have tried so hard, and put so many hours of reading into trying to 
> understand how to do it myself that even I can't believe it. I've analyzed 
> as much as I can of Ton Gerner's http://tw5topleft.tiddlyspot.com/ and 
> I've figured out more CSS and HTML than I ever wanted to know, But I still 
> don't know something as simple as how to make the side columns float to 
> their respective sides instead of having their position properties. 
>
> In the process of this though, I wrote out explicitly what I learned about 
> Ton's buttons. Here that is, in case it helps anybody. 
>
> Enter code here...
>
> The Tiddler $:/_topmenu contains the HTML element  putting the Left 
> Toggle Button and Right Toggle Button on the page.
> This Tiddler is tagged "$:/tags/PageTemplate" so that it is displayed at 
> the same level as the story-river and 
> sidebar-header html elements. 
>
> Displayed in that div element are two TiddlyWiki wikified items. The first 
> transcludes (displays the wikified contents of) 
> the contents of $:/_top-toggle-left-sidebar-button, and the second 
> transcludes the contents of $:/_top-toggle-width-
> sidebar-button. I'll explain how they function below.
>   
> An

[tw] Re: [tw5] How to hide a Fluid-Width button when theme is centralized??

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Måns,

I cannot test it at the moment (not using my home PC at the moment) but 
$:/themes/tiddlywiki/readonly 
uses the same code for several buttons:

svg.tw-image-new-button, svg.tw-image-options-button, svg.tw-image-save-
button, svg.tw-image-edit-button, svg.tw-image-delete-button, svg.tw-image-
cancel-button, svg.tw-image-done-button {
display: none;
}

The extra 'tab' behind display:none; can't be the problem ;)

As  soon as I am home, I`ll try and report.

Cheers,

Ton

On Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:17:49 PM UTC+1, Måns wrote:
>
> Hi TwWizards
>
> Inspired by the read only theme I'm trying to make a button invisible when 
> a certain theme is active.
>
> I tried this with the centralized theme - see the last line starting with 
> "svg.tw-image -..." :
>
> {
> "tiddlers": {
> "$:/themes/tiddlywiki/centralised/styles.tid": {
> "title": "$:/themes/tiddlywiki/centralised/styles.tid",
> "tags": "[[$:/tags/stylesheet]]",
> "text": "\\rules only filteredtranscludeinline transcludeinline 
> macrodef macrocallinline\n\n@media (min-width: 770px) {\n\n\thtml 
> .tw-page-container {\n\t\ttext-align: center;\n\t}\n\n\thtml .story-river 
> {\n\t\tposition: relative;\n\t\twidth: 770px;\n\t\tpadding: 
> 42px;\n\t\tmargin: 0 auto;\n\t\ttext-align: left;\n\t}\n\n\thtml 
> .sidebar-header {\n\t\ttext-align: left;\n\t\tleft: 50%;\n\t\tright: 
> 0;\n\t\tpadding-left: 413px;\n\t}\n}\n svg.tw-image-fluid-width-button 
> {\n\tdisplay: none;\t\n}\n"
> }
> }
> }
>
> The button image is  $:/images/fluid-width-button...
> Sorry but I don't have a clue where or how to do what here ... 
>
> Any help is most apreciated.
>
> Cheers Måns Mårtensson
>

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[tw] Re: [tw5] How to hide a Fluid-Width button when theme is centralized??

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Måns,

I did test with one of my own buttons, a 'Close all' button.
Added a class 'tw-close-all-tiddlers' so the image for the Close all button 
reads:



If I add

svg.tw-close-all-tiddlers { display: none; }

to my style sheet, the Close all button image disappears.

Did you add the class 

tw-image-fluid-width-button

to the image code?

Cheers,

Ton


On Thursday, February 20, 2014 3:14:56 PM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Hi Måns,
>
> I cannot test it at the moment (not using my home PC at the moment) but 
> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/readonly 
> uses the same code for several buttons:
>
> svg.tw-image-new-button, svg.tw-image-options-button, svg.tw-image-save-
> button, svg.tw-image-edit-button, svg.tw-image-delete-button, svg.tw-image
> -cancel-button, svg.tw-image-done-button {
> display: none;
> }
>
> The extra 'tab' behind display:none; can't be the problem ;)
>
> As  soon as I am home, I`ll try and report.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>
> On Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:17:49 PM UTC+1, Måns wrote:
>>
>> Hi TwWizards
>>
>> Inspired by the read only theme I'm trying to make a button invisible 
>> when a certain theme is active.
>>
>> I tried this with the centralized theme - see the last line starting with 
>> "svg.tw-image -..." :
>>
>> {
>> "tiddlers": {
>> "$:/themes/tiddlywiki/centralised/styles.tid": {
>> "title": "$:/themes/tiddlywiki/centralised/styles.tid",
>> "tags": "[[$:/tags/stylesheet]]",
>> "text": "\\rules only filteredtranscludeinline transcludeinline 
>> macrodef macrocallinline\n\n@media (min-width: 770px) {\n\n\thtml 
>> .tw-page-container {\n\t\ttext-align: center;\n\t}\n\n\thtml .story-river 
>> {\n\t\tposition: relative;\n\t\twidth: 770px;\n\t\tpadding: 
>> 42px;\n\t\tmargin: 0 auto;\n\t\ttext-align: left;\n\t}\n\n\thtml 
>> .sidebar-header {\n\t\ttext-align: left;\n\t\tleft: 50%;\n\t\tright: 
>> 0;\n\t\tpadding-left: 413px;\n\t}\n}\n svg.tw-image-fluid-width-button 
>> {\n\tdisplay: none;\t\n}\n"
>> }
>> }
>> }
>>
>> The button image is  $:/images/fluid-width-button...
>> Sorry but I don't have a clue where or how to do what here ... 
>>
>> Any help is most apreciated.
>>
>> Cheers Måns Mårtensson
>>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] 3 properly functioning columns. I'm begging for help making this work. Please. I can't even sleep.

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Mario,

Very instructive video.

Thanks,

Ton

On Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:14:13 PM UTC+1, PMario wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 12:49:02 PM UTC+1, PMario wrote:
> ... 
>
>> So experimenting with the existing stuff and make it less whitespace is 
>> easy, if you know how to experiment with a browser. ... Just use the "dev 
>> tools" in Chrome or FireFox. I'll upload a short video, how I do theme 
>> experiments. ... just for you, and others that may be interested. It won't 
>> solve your problems, but it may help you to see what's going on.
>>
>
> Here's the video: http://youtu.be/Jva7Azqu0hs  about 16 minutes
> Any feeback very welcome!
>
> have fun!
> mario
>

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[tw] Re: [tw5] How to hide a Fluid-Width button when theme is centralized??

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Måns,

This is what I did.

Downloaded http://vge-moodle.tiddlyspot.com/

I added a tiddler Test tagged with $:/tags/stylesheet and containing:

svg.tw-image-fluid-width-button {
 display: none;
}

The 'fluid width' button did not disappear (I expected it should disappear).

Then I saw that $:/images/fluid-width-button didn't contain the class 
'tw-image-fluid-width-button'

After adding it:



the button disappeared, which means that in principle it works.

Deleted the tiddler Test

Then I saw the theme tiddler $:/themes/tiddlywiki/centralised did not 
contain the 'display: none' part (anymore?)

I added that 'display:none' part: 

{
"tiddlers": {
"$:/themes/tiddlywiki/centralised/styles.tid": {
"title": "$:/themes/tiddlywiki/centralised/styles.tid",
"tags": "[[$:/tags/stylesheet]]",
"text": "\\rules only filteredtranscludeinline transcludeinline 
macrodef macrocallinline\n\n@media (min-width: 770px) {\n\n\thtml 
.tw-page-container {\n\t\ttext-align: center;\n\t}\n\n\thtml .story-river 
{\n\t\tposition: relative;\n\t\twidth: 770px;\n\t\tpadding: 
42px;\n\t\tmargin: 0 auto;\n\t\ttext-align: left;\n\t}\n\n\thtml 
.sidebar-header {\n\t\ttext-align: left;\n\t\tleft: 50%;\n\t\tright: 
0;\n\t\tpadding-left: 413px;\n\t}\n\tsvg.tw-image-fluid-width-button 
{\n\t\tdisplay: none;\n\t}\n}\n"
}
}
}

and expected it should work now. And it did ;)

Hope that helps.

Cheers,

Ton


On Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:15:21 PM UTC+1, Måns wrote:
>
> Sorry - forgot to paste the link: http://vge-moodle.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> Den torsdag den 20. februar 2014 22.14.26 UTC+1 skrev Måns:
>>
>> Hi Ton
>>
>> Thank you for looking into this.
>>
>> How do I add it to the StyleSheet? Is the StyleSheet the the tiddler? - 
>> Where am I supposed to put the rule?
>>
>> I added the class tw-image-fluid-width-button to 
>> the $:/images/fluid-width-button tiddler and changed the theme tiddler to:
>>
>> {
>> "tiddlers": {
>> "$:/themes/tiddlywiki/centralised/styles.tid": {
>> "title": "$:/themes/tiddlywiki/centralised/styles.tid",
>> "tags": "[[$:/tags/stylesheet]]",
>> "text": "\\rules only filteredtranscludeinline transcludeinline 
>> macrodef macrocallinline\n\n@media (min-width: 770px) {\n\n\thtml 
>> .tw-page-container {\n\t\ttext-align: center;\n\t}\n\n\thtml .story-river 
>> {\n\t\tposition: relative;\n\t\twidth: 770px;\n\t\tpadding: 
>> 42px;\n\t\tmargin: 0 auto;\n\t\ttext-align: left;\n\t}\n\n\thtml 
>> .sidebar-header {\n\t\ttext-align: left;\n\t\tleft: 50%;\n\t\tright: 
>> 0;\n\t\tpadding-left: 413px;\n\t}\n}\n 
>> tw-image-fluid-width-button{display:none;}"
>> }
>> }
>> }
>>
>> It didn't work as I expected.
>>
>> Here's a link to my TW: Please try it out..
>>
>> Cheers Måns Mårtensson
>>
>> Den torsdag den 20. februar 2014 17.04.32 UTC+1 skrev Ton Gerner:
>>>
>>> Hi Måns,
>>>
>>> I did test with one of my own buttons, a 'Close all' button.
>>> Added a class 'tw-close-all-tiddlers' so the image for the Close all 
>>> button reads:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> If I add
>>>
>>> svg.tw-close-all-tiddlers { display: none; }
>>>
>>> to my style sheet, the Close all button image disappears.
>>>
>>> Did you add the class 
>>>
>>> tw-image-fluid-width-button
>>>
>>> to the image code?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Ton
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 20, 2014 3:14:56 PM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Måns,
>>>>
>>>> I cannot test it at the moment (not using my home PC at the moment) but 
>>>> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/readonly 
>>>> uses the same code for several buttons:
>>>>
>>>> svg.tw-image-new-button, svg.tw-image-options-button, svg.tw-image-save
>>>> -button, svg.tw-image-edit-button, svg.tw-image-delete-button, svg.tw-
>>>> image-cancel-button, svg.tw-image-done-button {
>>>> display: none;
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> The extra 'tab' behind display:none; can't be the problem ;)
>>>>
>>>> As  soon as I am home, I`ll try and report.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Ton
>>>>
>>>

[tw] Re: [tw5] How to hide a Fluid-Width button when theme is centralized??

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Måns,

I think since it is part of the @media (min-width: 770px).

Cheers,

Ton

On Friday, February 21, 2014 12:25:43 PM UTC+1, Måns wrote:
>
> Hi again
>
> I have noticed that this css change works fine on my laptops. 
> Linux: Chrome & Seamonkey and Windows: Chrome, IE and Firefox.
>
> On my mobilephone it doesn't work however. 
> Android: Chrome, Firefox - not even in AntidWiki.
>
> Does anyone know how to make it work on a mobile device as well - or have 
> I discovered a bug?
>
> Cheers Måns Mårtensson
>
> Den fredag den 21. februar 2014 12.10.34 UTC+1 skrev Måns:
>>
>> Hi Ton
>>
>> Thank you very very much :-)
>>
>> You saved my day!!!
>>
>> In an hour or so I will go for a 3 hours drive to a job/clinic where my 
>> role is to be a Moodle consultant for 20 + teachers for 3 hours.
>> I will use this TW5 as a digital handout at the clinic - and I'm now 
>> confident that they won't mess the theme up by accidentally hitting the 
>> fluid width button...
>> That's a relief.
>>
>> Thanks again :-)
>>
>> Cheers Måns Mårtensson
>>
>> Den fredag den 21. februar 2014 11.15.45 UTC+1 skrev Ton Gerner:
>>>
>>> Hi Måns,
>>>
>>> This is what I did.
>>>
>>> Downloaded http://vge-moodle.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>> I added a tiddler Test tagged with $:/tags/stylesheet and containing:
>>>
>>> svg.tw-image-fluid-width-button {
>>>  display: none;
>>> }
>>>
>>> The 'fluid width' button did not disappear (I expected it should 
>>> disappear).
>>>
>>> Then I saw that $:/images/fluid-width-button didn't contain the class 
>>> 'tw-image-fluid-width-button'
>>>
>>> After adding it:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> the button disappeared, which means that in principle it works.
>>>
>>> Deleted the tiddler Test
>>>
>>> Then I saw the theme tiddler $:/themes/tiddlywiki/centralised did not 
>>> contain the 'display: none' part (anymore?)
>>>
>>> I added that 'display:none' part: 
>>>
>>> {
>>> "tiddlers": {
>>> "$:/themes/tiddlywiki/centralised/styles.tid": {
>>> "title": "$:/themes/tiddlywiki/centralised/styles.tid",
>>> "tags": "[[$:/tags/stylesheet]]",
>>> "text": "\\rules only filteredtranscludeinline 
>>> transcludeinline macrodef macrocallinline\n\n@media (min-width: 770px) 
>>> {\n\n\thtml .tw-page-container {\n\t\ttext-align: center;\n\t}\n\n\thtml 
>>> .story-river {\n\t\tposition: relative;\n\t\twidth: 770px;\n\t\tpadding: 
>>> 42px;\n\t\tmargin: 0 auto;\n\t\ttext-align: left;\n\t}\n\n\thtml 
>>> .sidebar-header {\n\t\ttext-align: left;\n\t\tleft: 50%;\n\t\tright: 
>>> 0;\n\t\tpadding-left: 413px;\n\t}\n\tsvg.tw-image-fluid-width-button 
>>> {\n\t\tdisplay: none;\n\t}\n}\n"
>>> }
>>> }
>>> }
>>>
>>> and expected it should work now. And it did ;)
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Ton
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:15:21 PM UTC+1, Måns wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sorry - forgot to paste the link: http://vge-moodle.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>>
>>>> Den torsdag den 20. februar 2014 22.14.26 UTC+1 skrev Måns:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ton
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for looking into this.
>>>>>
>>>>> How do I add it to the StyleSheet? Is the StyleSheet the the tiddler? 
>>>>> - Where am I supposed to put the rule?
>>>>>
>>>>> I added the class tw-image-fluid-width-button to 
>>>>> the $:/images/fluid-width-button tiddler and changed the theme tiddler to:
>>>>>
>>>>> {
>>>>> "tiddlers": {
>>>>> "$:/themes/tiddlywiki/centralised/styles.tid": {
>>>>> "title": "$:/themes/tiddlywiki/centralised/styles.tid",
>>>>> "tags": "[[$:/tags/stylesheet]]",
>>>>> "text": "\\rules only filteredtranscludeinline 
>>>>> transcludeinline macrodef macrocallinline\n\n@media (min-width: 770px) 
>>>>> {\n\n\thtml .tw-page-conta

[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki5 (TW5): Save Button Fail

[Ton Gerner]

Windows 7 64-bit, Chrome 33.0.1750.117 m, TW5.0.7beta

No problem with saving.

Cheers,

Ton

On Saturday, February 22, 2014 9:31:24 PM UTC+1, P Johnson wrote:
>
> *TiddlyWiki 5 Version: **5.0.7-beta *
> *Chrome version: *Version 33.0.1750.117 m
>
> Saving has stopped working with the latest release of 
> Chrome
> . 
>
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] drop-down list behaviour

[Ton Gerner]

For tags it is a feature when you want to add more than 1 tag. Jeremy ones 
mentioned that.
In case of tags I like it.
In case of selecting a type it doesn't make sense I think.
Would be nice if you could configure the bevaviour (per drop-down list).

Cheers,

Ton

On Monday, March 3, 2014 5:07:47 PM UTC+1, Stephan Hradek wrote:
>
> I can't remember when I read this. Maybe it wasn't in the groups but in a 
> mail or skype call with Jeremy.
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] group by field

[Ton Gerner]

Hi aSpex Daemon,

That's very interesting stuff!

Ton

On Monday, March 3, 2014 7:21:05 PM UTC+1, aSpex Daemon wrote:
>
> Hello Scott,
> I made something similar to what you want to do. I used tags to group 
> tiddlers in the menu.
> Here is the link: 
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/j0yzo2ap0ne90hz/tw5a10.tagmenu.html. 
> See the TagMenu tiddler. 
> I hope this will help you.
>
>

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[tw] [TW5] Strange behaviour of tag pills in 3 column mode in 5.0.8-beta

[Ton Gerner]

At http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/ I use a 'List tags' button that opens 
a tiddler that contains:

---

@@.threecolumns


{{$:/core/ui/MoreSideBar/Tags}}


@@

A style sheet contains:

/* DISPLAY IN 3 COLUMNS */
/* for List all tags */ 
.threecolumns {
 display: block;
 column-count: 3;
 -moz-column-count: 3; 
 -webkit-column-count: 3;
}

With TW5.0.8-beta this works in Firefox v27, but not (anymore) in Chrome 
v33 (all in Windows 7 64-bit).
It still does work in TW5.0.7-beta and Chrome v33.

One of the changes in TW5.0.8-beta is the addition of the 'Tag manager'.
Leaving that button out (copying only part of the code of 
$:/core/ui/MoreSideBar/Tags in a tiddler) did not help.

The strange thing is that the 'untagged' tag pill works as expected, the 
other tag pills don't. It looks like the "clickable area" for the tag pills 
has been shifted outside the tag pills:

Just above $/tags/PageTemplate (at the left side of the button) you can 
click and $:/tags/ViewToolbar opens!
Just above $/tags/PageControls (at the left side of the button) you can 
click and $:/tags/ViewTemplate opens!
Just above $/tags/stylesheet (at the left side of the button) you can click 
and Documentation opens!
Just below $:/tags/AdvancedSearch (at the left side of the button) you can 
click and $/tags/stylesheet opens!

Internet Explorer v11 works normal, Opera 12 shows only 2 colums, misses 
the last tag pills but the tag pills can be clicked.

For the time being I will skip the 3 column mode but I am curious what 
happens: strange behaviour of TW5.0.8-beta, Chrome, or the combination of 
TW and Chrome?

Any idea?

Cheers,

Ton

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Re: [tw] [TW5] Strange behaviour of tag pills in 3 column mode in 5.0.8-beta

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jeremy,

Yes I have a 5.0.7 version: 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2638511/TW5_toolbar_v4.6.html

Cheers,

Ton


On Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:00:07 AM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Ton
>
> That's very interesting. Do you have a 5.0.7 version of tw5toolbar for 
> comparison?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Ton Gerner 
> > wrote:
>
>> At http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/ I use a 'List tags' button that 
>> opens a tiddler that contains:
>>
>> ---
>>
>> @@.threecolumns
>> 
>>
>> {{$:/core/ui/MoreSideBar/Tags}}
>>
>> 
>> @@
>>
>> A style sheet contains:
>>
>> /* DISPLAY IN 3 COLUMNS */
>> /* for List all tags */ 
>> .threecolumns {
>>  display: block;
>>  column-count: 3;
>>  -moz-column-count: 3; 
>>  -webkit-column-count: 3;
>> }
>>
>> With TW5.0.8-beta this works in Firefox v27, but not (anymore) in Chrome 
>> v33 (all in Windows 7 64-bit).
>> It still does work in TW5.0.7-beta and Chrome v33.
>>
>> One of the changes in TW5.0.8-beta is the addition of the 'Tag manager'.
>> Leaving that button out (copying only part of the code of 
>> $:/core/ui/MoreSideBar/Tags in a tiddler) did not help.
>>
>> The strange thing is that the 'untagged' tag pill works as expected, the 
>> other tag pills don't. It looks like the "clickable area" for the tag pills 
>> has been shifted outside the tag pills:
>>
>> Just above $/tags/PageTemplate (at the left side of the button) you can 
>> click and $:/tags/ViewToolbar opens!
>> Just above $/tags/PageControls (at the left side of the button) you can 
>> click and $:/tags/ViewTemplate opens!
>> Just above $/tags/stylesheet (at the left side of the button) you can 
>> click and Documentation opens!
>> Just below $:/tags/AdvancedSearch (at the left side of the button) you 
>> can click and $/tags/stylesheet opens!
>>
>> Internet Explorer v11 works normal, Opera 12 shows only 2 colums, misses 
>> the last tag pills but the tag pills can be clicked.
>>
>> For the time being I will skip the 3 column mode but I am curious what 
>> happens: strange behaviour of TW5.0.8-beta, Chrome, or the combination of 
>> TW and Chrome?
>>
>> Any idea?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
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[tw] Re: [TW5.0.8] tw5toolbar, Toggle width/sidebar does not work anymore

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Patrick,

Can you give some more information: OS, browser and what exactly does not 
work?

For me it works "normal" on Windows 7 with Firefox v27, Chrome v33 and 
Internet Explorer v11:

1) Fixed width with Sidebar works
2) Fixed width without Sidebar works
3) Fluid width with Sidebar works
4) Fluid width without Sidebar works

Cheers,

Ton



On Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:17:21 PM UTC+1, Patrick Sanders wrote:
>
> I waited for the 5.0.8 release to have autosave implemented.
> On http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/ I found
>
> Select style for 'Toggle width/sidebar' button:WidthSidebarStyle tiddlerFixed
> *+*$:/_sidebar-fixed-width-styleFixed
> *-*$:/_hidden-sidebar-fixed-width-styleFluid
> *+*$:/_sidebar-fluid-width-styleFluid
> *-*$:/_hidden-sidebar-fluid-width-style
> Which I wanted to implement in my own TW, but I see now that it does not 
> work anymore on the original site, which is updated to 5.0.8.
>
> What is wrong?
>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5.0.8] tw5toolbar, Toggle width/sidebar does not work anymore

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Patrick,

Did it work with the TW5.0.7-beta version of tw5toolbar (v4.6)?
v4.6 is available at 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2638511/TW5_toolbar_v4.6.html

Cheers,

Ton

On Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:57:01 PM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Hi Patrick,
>
> Can you give some more information: OS, browser and what exactly does not 
> work?
>
> For me it works "normal" on Windows 7 with Firefox v27, Chrome v33 and 
> Internet Explorer v11:
>
> 1) Fixed width with Sidebar works
> 2) Fixed width without Sidebar works
> 3) Fluid width with Sidebar works
> 4) Fluid width without Sidebar works
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:17:21 PM UTC+1, Patrick Sanders wrote:
>>
>> I waited for the 5.0.8 release to have autosave implemented.
>> On http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/ I found
>>
>> Select style for 'Toggle width/sidebar' button:WidthSidebarStyle tiddlerFixed
>> *+*$:/_sidebar-fixed-width-style<http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2F_sidebar-fixed-width-style>Fixed
>> *-*$:/_hidden-sidebar-fixed-width-style<http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2F_hidden-sidebar-fixed-width-style>Fluid
>> *+*$:/_sidebar-fluid-width-style<http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2F_sidebar-fluid-width-style>Fluid
>> *-*$:/_hidden-sidebar-fluid-width-style<http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2F_hidden-sidebar-fluid-width-style>
>> Which I wanted to implement in my own TW, but I see now that it does not 
>> work anymore on the original site, which is updated to 5.0.8.
>>
>> What is wrong?
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: [TW5.0.8] tw5toolbar, Toggle width/sidebar does not work anymore

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Patrick,


On Thursday, March 6, 2014 11:54:40 PM UTC+1, Patrick Sanders wrote:
>
> I thought it was not working, so I tried once more, it works as I have 
> seen it on 5.0.7, with FF v27
>

What do you mean with "it works as I have seen it on 5.0.7, with FF v27"
Did it work at http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/ (v4.6, based on 
TW5.0.7-beta)?
Therefore I asked "Did it work with the TW5.0.7-beta version of tw5toolbar 
(v4.6)?"
v4.6 is available at 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2638511/TW5_toolbar_v4.6.html

Does it work at http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/ (v4.7, based on 
TW5.0.8-beta)?

Besides, I still don't know which OS you are using.
 

>
> I need to have Fixed/Fluid with Sidebar=+ selected and press toggle 
> width/sidebar, then I can change to the other Fixed/Fluid, but only the two 
> with Sidebar=+ work.
> The other, withour Sidebar=+ don't have an influence.
>
> When I have Sidebar != +, then after pressing toggle width/sidebar to have 
> the sidebar viewed and changing one of the styles has no effect. Why?
>
>
Are you now talking about the version at http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/ 
or your own wiki?

For me the toggle button at http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/ works as it 
should work: Select a 'toggle style' and click the toggle button. All 4 
styles work as expected.
I tested it with Windows 7 (64-bit), Firefox v27, Chrome v33, Opera v18, 
and Internet Explore v11.
Today I tested it inder Debian v7.4, Iceweasel (Firefox) v17, and Chrome 
v33.

In case you are talking of your own wiki: Did you follow my guide: drag & 
drop the 9 tiddlers belonging to the toggle button?
If so, you can check if styles and $:/tags/stylesheet tag are applied when 
switching styles and/or click the toggle button. See 'How does the toggle 
button work?' in the 'Toggle width/sidebar' button tiddler for instructions.

Cheers,

Ton
 

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Re: [tw] [TW5] Strange behaviour of tag pills in 3 column mode in 5.0.8-beta

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jeremy,

Although there are more important things, it is intriguing and I could not 
resist in digging a little bit deeper ;)

To investigate it further, I tested with different devices (PCs, iPad, 
Nexus 7) , OSes (Windows, Linux, iOS, Android), and browsers at my disposal.
For a complete 'test story' see [1] (Latest news > Problems with tag pills).

Summary of the results:

1) The problem started with TW5.0.8-beta; TW5.0.7-beta did behave in all 
cases as expected.
2) Webkit based browsers (Chrome, Opera, Safari) do show this strange 
behaviour in combination with TW5.0.8-beta.
3) Although the tag pills are 'clickable' with Internet Explorer, there is 
no 'normal' behaviour in combination with TW5.0.8-beta:
a) Dependent on the (place of) the clicked tag, going to 1 or 2 column 
mode
b) Dependent on the (place of) the tag clicked, the dropdown list is 
broken in 2 or 3 parts.

So TW5.0.8 affects all web-kit based browsers, but also Internet Explorer 
(although this seems a different problem).

Hope that helps.

Cheers,

Ton

[1] http://tongerner.tiddlyspot.com/

On Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:30:32 AM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Very odd. Both versions are actually producing identical markup for the 
> tiddler in question. We must be somehow tickling a bug in Chrome, I guess. 
> I'll investigate further,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Ton Gerner 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi Jeremy,
>>
>> Yes I have a 5.0.7 version: 
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2638511/TW5_toolbar_v4.6.html
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:00:07 AM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ton
>>>
>>> That's very interesting. Do you have a 5.0.7 version of tw5toolbar for 
>>> comparison?
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Ton Gerner  wrote:
>>>
>>>> At http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/ I use a 'List tags' button that 
>>>> opens a tiddler that contains:
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> @@.threecolumns
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> {{$:/core/ui/MoreSideBar/Tags}}
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> @@
>>>>
>>>> A style sheet contains:
>>>>
>>>> /* DISPLAY IN 3 COLUMNS */
>>>> /* for List all tags */ 
>>>> .threecolumns {
>>>>  display: block;
>>>>  column-count: 3;
>>>>  -moz-column-count: 3; 
>>>>  -webkit-column-count: 3;
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> With TW5.0.8-beta this works in Firefox v27, but not (anymore) in 
>>>> Chrome v33 (all in Windows 7 64-bit).
>>>> It still does work in TW5.0.7-beta and Chrome v33.
>>>>
>>>> One of the changes in TW5.0.8-beta is the addition of the 'Tag manager'.
>>>> Leaving that button out (copying only part of the code of 
>>>> $:/core/ui/MoreSideBar/Tags in a tiddler) did not help.
>>>>
>>>> The strange thing is that the 'untagged' tag pill works as expected, 
>>>> the other tag pills don't. It looks like the "clickable area" for the tag 
>>>> pills has been shifted outside the tag pills:
>>>>
>>>> Just above $/tags/PageTemplate (at the left side of the button) you can 
>>>> click and $:/tags/ViewToolbar opens!
>>>> Just above $/tags/PageControls (at the left side of the button) you can 
>>>> click and $:/tags/ViewTemplate opens!
>>>> Just above $/tags/stylesheet (at the left side of the button) you can 
>>>> click and Documentation opens!
>>>> Just below $:/tags/AdvancedSearch (at the left side of the button) you 
>>>> can click and $/tags/stylesheet opens!
>>>>
>>>> Internet Explorer v11 works normal, Opera 12 shows only 2 colums, 
>>>> misses the last tag pills but the tag pills can be clicked.
>>>>
>>>> For the time being I will skip the 3 column mode but I am curious what 
>>>> happens: strange behaviour of TW5.0.8-beta, Chrome, or the combination of 
>>>> TW and Chrome?
>>>>
>>>> Any idea?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Ton
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[tw] Re: [TW5.0.8] tw5toolbar, Toggle width/sidebar does not work anymore

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Patrick,

On Friday, March 7, 2014 10:41:49 PM UTC+1, Patrick Sanders wrote:
>
> I am on windows 7, with FFv27 on http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> The usage confuses me and I tried again today and notice that the radio 
> buttons only react, when the toggle width/sidebar button is "<".
> With ">" the radio buttons don't react. With the radio buttons visible, I 
> would expect a reaction when pressing them, this confused me.
>
> With the toggle button shown as ">" the radio buttons are active in all 
cases I tested. They must be. I don't know why it is different in your case.
Can it be the ribbon interferes?
Try http://tongerner.tiddlyspot.com/ which uses almost everything from 
http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/ but without a ribbon.

See the radio buttons as configuration buttons. You choose the way you want 
the toggle button acts when you are in "standard". mode (>).
Then you click the toggle button and you get the action set by the style 
(configuration by radio buttons).
Some people do want to hide the Sidebar, others don't.
Some people do want to have a fluid width, others don't.
And so on.

Anyhow the radio buttons work in both situations of the toggle button (> 
and <), but when the Sidebar is hidden you can't reach them ;)

Cheers,

Ton

 

> I think this is by design.
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Using your SiteTitle as a "Home" URL

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jeremy,

Don't shoot the messenger ;-)

Quite a long time ago (November 3, 2013 to be precise), Dave Gifford asked 
for a Home button [1]
Stephan Hadrek found the code was already present in startup.js and asked 
you for a separate function.
You planned to add a message "tw-home" to be invoked by <$button 
message="tw-home">Home.
In the meantime I used the code for a Home button in my guides.

And so Matabele - who read my guides as you can see [2] - copied the code 
over here.

May be time to implement the "tw-home" message?
Otherwise I do not have a working Home button anymore in TW5.0.9 ;-)

Cheers,

Ton

[1] 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/nsECiXqk7fw/dPZYISdoOCsJ
[2] http://wills.tiddlyspot.com/

On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 5:40:21 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Matabele
>
> The pattern of using inline JavaScript handlers is not recommended for 
> TiddlyWiki5.
>
> There are several reasons:
>
> * It doesn't work well with TW5's refresh mechanism, which relies on being 
> able to regenerate any portion of the DOM as required; this frequently 
> causes inline handlers to be re-executed at unexpected times (see 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/static/TiddlyWiki%2520for%2520Developers.html)
> * It mixes TW5 version-specific JavaScript with user content
> * In multiuser environments there is a security risk to importing or 
> viewing tiddlers you didn't author if they can have JavaScript in them
>
> Instead, one should write widgets or other custom modules that encapsulate 
> the required JavaScript.
>
> Blacklisting the "on*" attributes on HTML elements has been on my list for 
> a while, so I've implemented it for 5.0.9:
>
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/d0caf21b2df9fda9800eb30489003a87cafb1277
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Matabele 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> For TW5 use this code in $:/SiteTitle
>>
>> > onclick="
>> var defaultTiddlersTitle = '$:/DefaultTiddlers',
>> defaultTiddlersTiddler = $tw.wiki.getTiddler(defaultTiddlersTitle),
>> defaultTiddlers = [];
>> if(defaultTiddlersTiddler) {
>> defaultTiddlers = 
>> $tw.wiki.filterTiddlers(defaultTiddlersTiddler.fields.text);
>> }
>> var storyTitle = '$:/StoryList',
>> story = [];
>> for(var t=0; t
>> > story[t] = defaultTiddlers[t];
>> }
>> $tw.wiki.addTiddler({title: storyTitle, text: '', list: story},$tw.wiki.
>> getModificationFields());
>> return false;
>> ">My ~TiddlyWiki
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Other buttons can also be added to the Site Title (as can similar buttons 
>> be added into the Site Subtitle.) I use this fullscreen button after my 
>> title (utilising fontawesome icons and the fullscreen plugin):
>>
>>
>> <$button message="tw-full-screen" 
>> class="btn-invisible"> 
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> regards
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 7:52:48 PM UTC+2, Bill Mullen wrote:
>>
>>> I was looking for a way to re-display my DefaultTiddlers - mostly after 
>>> a search because the search feature was closing all the open tiddlers 
>>> before displaying the results.
>>>
>>> In my search, Morris Gray included some code in the following thread:
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/TiddlyWiki/
>>> DefaultTiddler/tiddlywiki/k3qdZ64aARQ/PpTeG7swBxkJ
>>>
>>> First off, thank you Morris! 
>>>
>>> I used Morris' code in my SiteTitle tiddler as such so that clicking on 
>>> the site title will close all open tiddlers and display the default 
>>> tiddlers.
>>>
>>> >> >My Site Title
>>>
>>>
>>> Just thought I would share a way to use Morris' code
>>>
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Re: [tw] Re: Using your SiteTitle as a "Home" URL

[Ton Gerner]

Thanks Jeremy.

On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 11:33:49 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Ton
>
> Oops, my apologies, I should have remembered your code. I've gone ahead 
> and implemented the tw-home message for 5.0.9:
>
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/50cf9678cb469e443e220b063e2355c844e417e7
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Ton Gerner 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi Jeremy,
>>
>> Don't shoot the messenger ;-)
>>
>> Quite a long time ago (November 3, 2013 to be precise), Dave Gifford 
>> asked for a Home button [1]
>> Stephan Hadrek found the code was already present in startup.js and asked 
>> you for a separate function.
>> You planned to add a message "tw-home" to be invoked by <$button 
>> message="tw-home">Home.
>> In the meantime I used the code for a Home button in my guides.
>>
>> And so Matabele - who read my guides as you can see [2] - copied the code 
>> over here.
>>
>> May be time to implement the "tw-home" message?
>> Otherwise I do not have a working Home button anymore in TW5.0.9 ;-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>> [1] 
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/nsECiXqk7fw/dPZYISdoOCsJ
>> [2] http://wills.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 5:40:21 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Matabele
>>>
>>> The pattern of using inline JavaScript handlers is not recommended for 
>>> TiddlyWiki5.
>>>
>>> There are several reasons:
>>>
>>> * It doesn't work well with TW5's refresh mechanism, which relies on 
>>> being able to regenerate any portion of the DOM as required; this 
>>> frequently causes inline handlers to be re-executed at unexpected times 
>>> (see http://tiddlywiki.com/static/TiddlyWiki%2520for%2520Developers.html
>>> )
>>> * It mixes TW5 version-specific JavaScript with user content
>>> * In multiuser environments there is a security risk to importing or 
>>> viewing tiddlers you didn't author if they can have JavaScript in them
>>>
>>> Instead, one should write widgets or other custom modules that 
>>> encapsulate the required JavaScript.
>>>
>>> Blacklisting the "on*" attributes on HTML elements has been on my list 
>>> for a while, so I've implemented it for 5.0.9:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/
>>> d0caf21b2df9fda9800eb30489003a87cafb1277
>>>  
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Matabele  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> For TW5 use this code in $:/SiteTitle
>>>>
>>>>  >>> onclick="
>>>> var defaultTiddlersTitle = '$:/DefaultTiddlers',
>>>> defaultTiddlersTiddler = $tw.wiki.getTiddler(defaultTiddlersTitle),
>>>> defaultTiddlers = [];
>>>> if(defaultTiddlersTiddler) {
>>>> defaultTiddlers = $tw.wiki.filterTiddlers(
>>>> defaultTiddlersTiddler.fields.text);
>>>> }
>>>> var storyTitle = '$:/StoryList',
>>>> story = [];
>>>> for(var t=0; t
>>>> >>> story[t] = defaultTiddlers[t];
>>>> }
>>>> $tw.wiki.addTiddler({title: storyTitle, text: '', list: story},$tw.wiki
>>>> .getModificationFields());
>>>> return false;
>>>> ">My ~TiddlyWiki
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Other buttons can also be added to the Site Title (as can similar 
>>>> buttons be added into the Site Subtitle.) I use this fullscreen button 
>>>> after my title (utilising fontawesome icons and the fullscreen plugin):
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <$button message="tw-full-screen" 
>>>> class="btn-invisible"> 
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 7:52:48 PM UTC+2, Bill Mullen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was looking for a way to re-display my DefaultTiddlers - mostly 
>>>>> after a search because the search feature was closing all the open 
>>>>> tiddlers 
>>>>> before displaying the results.
>>>>>
&g

Re: [tw] [TW5] Visual timeline widget plugin available

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Martin,

Very cool.
So nice and easy to use.

Many thanks,

Ton


On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 11:15:10 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Martin
>
> Congratulations on a very nicely executed plugin, with exemplary 
> presentation. I'm sure it will be justly popular. I'll add a link on 
> tiddlywiki.com - how would you like to be credited?
>
> I had a quick scan of the code: 
>
> * Your parseWidgetAttributes() method is interesting. I had originally 
> planned to make the attribute handling be more declaratory, and would still 
> like to do so
> * I wondered if you'd considered merging the three ways of specifying the 
> tiddler list into one: "list='title'" is equivalent to a filter 
> "[list[title]]", except for the requirement to quote tiddler titles.
> * The demo tiddlers are missing the vertical bar at the start of the table 
> at the top
>
> Anyhow, I'm very happy to see this, and wish you luck for future plugins! 
> (Mindmapping is a perennial request...)
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 8:12 PM, emkay 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I've written a TW5 plugin that uses vis.js  to show a 
>> graphical timeline view of a wiki's tiddlers.  
>>
>> I developed it for my own use, but I thought others may find it useful, 
>> so I have made it available on github.
>>
>> A demonstration of the widget and it's help tiddler can be seen at:
>>
>> http://emkayonline.github.io/tw5visjs
>>
>> You can install it by dragging it from the demonstration's ControlPanel 
>> into your wiki.  It requires TW5 version >= 5.0.8-beta.
>>
>> Full documentation, source and tests can be found at:
>>
>> https://github.com/emkayonline/tw5visjs
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Martin
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[tw] Re: What is your TW5 plugin wishlist?

[Ton Gerner]

Hi all,

My wishlist for TW5 plugins, based on the plugins I use most with TWclassic:

Tabsmacro (or plugin?) with possibility of vertical tabs and mixing 
horizontal and vertical tabs.
For TWclassic I use a combination of the standard Tabs macro and Saq 
Imtiaz's InlineTabsPlugin for mixing horizontal and vertical tabs.

Plugins from Eric Shulman:
NestedSlidersPlugin
QuickEditPlugin

Plugins from Tobias Beer:
ListFiltrPlugin
TableSortingPlugin (made by Saq Imtiaz, modified by Tobias Beer)

Plugins from Vincent Yeh:
TWtid/TWted/TWtcalc  a combination of plugins that gives you the 
possibility to edit wiki text in the view mode.
Although I don't use most "view mode editing" possibilities, I love the 
ability to edit tables in an easy way. Editing (large) tables in the 
"normal" way is a nightmare; now it is a piece of cake.

Cheers,

Ton



On Thursday, March 13, 2014 1:05:33 PM UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> On GitHub I have mentioned features and fixes I would like to see for the 
> core of TW5. And there are three or four things on the Roadmap tiddler at 
> tiddlywiki.com that I really, really want. But beyond that, here are a 
> few things I would really love to see as plugins for TW5. Thought I would 
> share them with you.
>
> Before mentioning them, though, I should take a moment to thank those who 
> have already created some great plugins for TW5. I know Ton and Stephan 
> have created several, Danielo has been experimenting, too, and today to my 
> delight I discovered Martin's timeline. Wow. Thanks to all of you.
>
> Okay, so here is my list.
>
> 1. Newhere - the ability to click a button to create a new tiddler tagged 
> with the title of the source tiddler. Use cases: many. Image galleries. 
> Hierarchies of notes. Etc.
>
> 2. A search plugin that lets you decide whether to search by title, tag, 
> text, or a combination of them. Use cases: many. Most of the time I know 
> what tiddler I am looking for, but searching a TW5 with a lot of tiddlers 
> means that the current search mechanism doesn't filter enough to get me to 
> it quickly. It is way down the list of search results.
>
> 3. A version of ListFiltrPlugin for TW5. See the classic version at 
> http://listfiltr.tiddlyspace.com/#ListFiltrPlugin. I would really like to 
> be able to create a custom list and have a way to search titles to narrow 
> the list down. Use case: I would create an index of All tiddlers plus 
> Missing tiddlers that I could search. That way I could create a glossary, 
> an index, etc, by creating hyperlinks only within certain tiddlers, then 
> have a master list of all the terms, and use that to mark progress on 
> adding content to the terms. I would also use it like I use ListFiltrPlugin 
> in Braintags (http://www.giffmex.org/braintags.html)
>
> 4. A plugin that would enable me to create tables rthat allow CSS 
> formatting by cell, by column, etc. There was talk on a hangout long ago 
> about changing the TW core table formatting. Perhaps a plugin would be a 
> better route. I don't know. Use case: I use tables with color coding for 
> different types of information. Also, the kind of formatting we were 
> talking about on the Hangout would simply make cell content easier to go 
> back and edit later, since each cell would have its own line. 
>
> 5. D3 plugins will be cool and welcomed with glee by me, especially 
> Collapsible Tree Layout and/or some kind of forced layout for something 
> like mindmaps. But those are lesser interests of mine.
>
> 6. Masonry display of image tiddlers would also really be cool. Usecase: 
> use TW5 like Pinterest or Flickr, to collect images or show off your own 
> galleries.
>
> 7. Facebook and Twitter to share or 'like' a specific tiddler. There is 
> talk of this for the core. I think it makes more sense as a plugin. But the 
> tiddler URL feature needs to get done first before this would work. Use 
> case: TW5 as blog.
>
> So, there is my plugin wishlist. What is yours? I would love it if you 
> would comment on things you'd like to see, and/or if you would say +1 to 
> any of the items I have mentioned, if you concur.
>
> Blessings, Dave
>
>

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Re: [tw] [TW5] Visual timeline widget plugin available

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Martin,

As already mentioned by me, it is nice and easy to use.

Playing around with it I used:

<$visjstimeline filter="[tag[test]]" startDateField="start" 
endDateField="end" format="MMDD"/>

Then I came across the situation with a timeline starting in the past and 
still going on (current date).

When I did not fill in the endDateField, I got an error: Not a endDate () 
on ...

Looking at the documentation of moment.js I found:

To get the current date and time, just call moment() with no parameters.

So it looks like it is possible; be aware I am not a programmer ;-)

Is there a trick to make the end = current date?

Cheers,

Ton


On Friday, March 14, 2014 3:08:51 PM UTC+1, emkay wrote:
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> Glad you like the plugin.
>
> The plugin uses the 
> moment.js library 
> for date parsing.  The formats it supports are listed under the "string + 
> format" section.  The required format can be passed to the plugin using the 
> 'format' attribute.
>
> Looking at the documentation it doesn't seem that moment js handles +/- 
> nor a BCE/CE indicator.  However, I have had a look at the moment.js test 
> suite and have come across examples using negative years.  There examples 
> include: 
>
>1. "-27-01-01" formatting it with "Y-MM-DD" to get BCE 270,001.
>2. "-1000-01-01" formatting it with "Y-MM-DD" to get  BCE 1,001
>
> I haven't tried these myself (I only need to the timeline to handle the 
> last couple of hundred years), but it may be worth having a go to see if 
> you can get them to work.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Martin
>
> On Friday, 14 March 2014 13:23:58 UTC, Jonathan Emmert wrote:
>>
>> I love this plugin - thank you.  
>>
>> Is there a way to work with dates that are BCE?  I tried using negative 
>> numbers for "start" and "end" but I get an error: "visjstimeline: Not a 
>> startDate (-0605) on Nebuchadnezzar II.start"
>>
>> I get the same thing if I use positive numbers.
>>
>> Thanks for the work and the help!
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 13, 2014 10:05:44 AM UTC-4, emkay wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 12 March 2014 22:15:10 UTC, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Martin

 Congratulations on a very nicely executed plugin, with exemplary 
 presentation. I'm sure it will be justly popular. I'll add a link on 
 tiddlywiki.com - how would you like to be credited?

>>>
>>> Thanks to you (and everyone else) for the positive feedback.  All the 
>>> real hard work has been done by you and the vis.js guys, all I did was to 
>>> pull the two together.  You are welcome to credit me as Martin Kendall on 
>>> tiddlywiki.com.
>>>
>>>
>>>
 I had a quick scan of the code: 

 * Your parseWidgetAttributes() method is interesting. I had originally 
 planned to make the attribute handling be more declaratory, and would 
 still 
 like to do so

>>>
>>> Yes, I like the idea of declarative options, though my code is a long 
>>> way from being useful.  I will keep evolving it and maybe it will help 
>>> formulate some ideas.
>>>  
>>>
 * I wondered if you'd considered merging the three ways of specifying 
 the tiddler list into one: "list='title'" is equivalent to a filter 
 "[list[title]]", except for the requirement to quote tiddler titles.

>>>
>>> You really made my day with this idea - I love simplifying things down 
>>> to a smaller set of moving parts (less to code, less to maintain and less 
>>> to go wrong).  I've released a new version of the plugin that merges the 
>>> three attributes, consolidating on filter.  This lead me to digging deeper 
>>> into filters, but my issues there are best discussed on TiddyWikiDev.
>>>  
>>>
 * The demo tiddlers are missing the vertical bar at the start of the 
 table at the top

>>>  
>>> I'd totally forgotten I was even aiming to show a table - nice spot!
>>>  
>>>

 Anyhow, I'm very happy to see this, and wish you luck for future 
 plugins! (Mindmapping is a perennial request...)

 Best wishes

 Jeremy




 On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 8:12 PM, emkay wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I've written a TW5 plugin that uses vis.js  to 
> show a graphical timeline view of a wiki's tiddlers.  
>
> I developed it for my own use, but I thought others may find it 
> useful, so I have made it available on github.
>
> A demonstration of the widget and it's help tiddler can be seen at:
>
> http://emkayonline.github.io/tw5visjs
>
> You can install it by dragging it from the demonstration's 
> ControlPanel into your wiki.  It requires TW5 version >= 5.0.8-beta.
>
> Full documentation, source and tests can be found at:
>
> https://github.com/emkayonline/tw5visjs
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Martin
>
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Re: [tw] [TW5] Visual timeline widget plugin available

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Martin,

On Friday, March 14, 2014 5:49:09 PM UTC+1, emkay wrote:
>
> Hi Ton,
>
> Just to clarify, are you suggesting that when the end date field is 
> missing from a tiddler then it should default to the current date?
>
Yes, but "dynamic" as you propose further with "now" .

If so, I would rather not default the end date to the current date, as this 
> would mean it would be given a value for the timeline when the end date was 
> missing in error, which could lead to confusion.  I would rather have the 
> error reported. 
>
> However, although it isn't something I need, perhaps it would be useful 
> for others. So what I could do is allow the end date field on a tiddler to 
> contain the word 'now' and I would then fill in the current date/time. 
>
> This would mean an end date would be mandatory (if endDateField attribute 
> is on the plugin call), but you would fill it in with 'now' if you want it 
> to roll forward. 
>
> Let me know if that would help and I can look at 
> coding/testing/documenting this weekend,
>
That would be awesome.
Thanks in advance.

Cheers,

Ton
 

> Martin
>
> On Friday, 14 March 2014 16:06:15 UTC, Ton Gerner  wrote:
> > Hi Martin,
> > 
> > As already mentioned by me, it is nice and easy to use.
> > 
> > Playing around with it I used:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > <$visjstimeline filter="[tag[test]]" startDateField="start" 
> endDateField="end" format="MMDD"/>
> > 
> > Then I came across the situation with a timeline starting in the past 
> and still going on (current date).
> > 
> > When I did not fill in the endDateField, I got an error: Not a endDate 
> () on ...
> > 
> > Looking at the documentation of moment.js I found:
> > 
> > To get the current date and time, just call moment() with no parameters.
> > 
> > So it looks like it is possible; be aware I am not a programmer ;-)
> > 
> > Is there a trick to make the end = current date?
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Ton
> > 
>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Visual timeline widget plugin v0.8.1 released

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Martin,

Works like a charm.
Thanks for the "now" addition.

Cheers,

Ton


On Saturday, March 15, 2014 1:08:16 PM UTC+1, emkay wrote:
>
> I have released an updated version of my vis.js based timeline plugin.
>
> The main changes that may be of interest are:
> * Removed list and tiddler attributes from widget - unified using the 
> filter attribute
> * support 'now' as a value for the end date or start date fields
> * test for end dates before start date in timeline
> * In refresh handle a tiddler excluding itself from the timeline
>
> As usual, a demonstration of the widget and it's help tiddler can be seen 
> at:
>
> http://emkayonline.github.io/tw5visjs
>
> You can install it by dragging it from the demonstration's ControlPanel 
> into your wiki.  It requires TW5 version >= 5.0.8-beta.
>
> Full documentation, source and tests can be found at:
>
> https://github.com/emkayonline/tw5visjs
>
> Have fun,
>
> Martin
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Color of text in tag pills

[Ton Gerner]

Hi cmari,

A long time ago I posted some feature requests where this was one of them 
[1]

Jeremy's answer was then:

I'm not so sure about this one. We could introduce another field for it, 
but it makes the mechanism more complex, and I think that a list of tags 
where some are in black type and some are white type will look weird. I'm 
open to discussion; it's just a template change.

I even posted a link to a color chart [2]:
This is the ColorChart that was once at Eric Shulman's site, but I cannot 
find it anymore there. So I made a demo so you can see how it looks with 
black/white text.

If it could be done automatic as implied by Jeremy's answer to Dave:

I'd prefer to instead tackle the problem of ensuring that the tag pill text 
is visible regardless of the colour.

I can live with that ;-)

Cheers,

Ton

[1] https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/nsJT0bx1eZ0/qPI1yJfENg0J
[2] file:///D:/Dropbox/Public/ColorChart.html

On Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:06:26 PM UTC+1, cmari wrote:
>
> Hello,
> In an effort to improve the readability of colored tag pills, I tweaked 
> TagTemplate and EditTemplate/Tags to allow for a "fontcolor" field in 
> addition to the "color" field.  
> But while I was searching for any other discussion of this question, I 
> came across this Q&A last November between Dave and Jeremy (in this thread: 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/tiddlywiki/69P2zrHEW2U):
>
> Question:
>
>> 4. Could there be a 'tag pill text color' field?..
>>
>
> Answer:
> I'm against tags being able to specify both their background and 
> foreground colours. It makes it more likely we'd get garish tags in the 
> wild. I'd prefer to instead tackle the problem of ensuring that the tag 
> pill text is visible regardless of the colour.
>
> I don't want to be out of compliance (though I promise I have no garish 
> intentions!), and I'd be happy to accept a different, more automatic 
> adjustment for visibility.  Are there still plans for that (or did I 
> perhaps just overlook something)?
> cmari
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Color of text in tag pills

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Eric,

Thanks for the explanation.
You proved it could be done easily.
I think that black and white text is just perfect.

Sorry for giving a wrong link for the colorchart (the original I once 
downloaded from your site I think) [1]

Cheers,

Ton

[1] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2638511/ColorChart.html


On Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:51:38 PM UTC+1, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:32:53 PM UTC-7, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>
>> I even posted a link to a color chart [2]:
>> This is the ColorChart that was once at Eric Shulman's site, but I cannot 
>> find it anymore there. So I made a demo so you can see how it looks with 
>> black/white text.
>>
>
> http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#PaletteMaker
>
> PaletteMaker displays a palette with checkmarks showing which colors are 
> currently defined in the ColorPalette.  In order to ensure that the 
> checkmark text is visible, PaletteMaker automatically selects either white 
> or black text, based on the "brightness" of the background RGB color. 
>  Here's the code that I wrote... 
>  var rgb=bgcolor.substr(1).split(''); var long=bgcolor.length>=6;
>  function h2d(h){return '0123456789ABCDEF'.indexOf(h?h.toUpperCase():''
> );};
>  var r=h2d(rgb[0]); var g=h2d(rgb[long?2:1]); var b=h2d(rgb[long?4:2]);
>  if (r<0||g<0||b<0||r+g+b>=15) return 'black'; // BAD RGB or BRIGHT COLOR
>  return 'white'; // DARK COLOR
>  
> The background color, t, can be specified as "#RGB", "#RRGGBB", or an X11 
> Color Name.
>
> Notes:
> * first line chops up the color code into separate r, g, b variables.
> * if a 6-digit RRGGBB value is used, only the first (most-significant) 
> digit of R, G, and B is used to calculate overall brightness.
> * next two lines convert the hexadecimal values (0-F) to decimal (0-15)
> * next two lines test for "brightness" and return either black or white, 
> accordingly.
> * the "cutoff" value of r+g+b>15 to test "bright" vs. "dark" color was 
> determined empirically by experimentation.
>
> Note that this approach only uses black or white text.  I had experimented 
> with calculating the "reciprocal" color, so that, for example, a background 
> of "#ccc" (light gray) would use text color "#333" (dark gray), while a 
> background of "#ccf" (light blue) would use "#ffc" (pale yellow) text 
> color.  However, this lead to some poor color combinations, especially when 
> the background color was close to the middle of the RGB palette (e.g., the 
> reciprocal of background "#999" would be text color "#666") due to the low 
> contrast ratio between text and background.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
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[tw] Re: TW5 Palette

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jonathan,

I use the following to color my own buttons (per set):

/* COLOR OF PAGE CONTROL BUTTONS */
.tw-page-controls svg {
 fill : #99CCFF;
}

.tw-page-controls button:hover svg, .tw-page-controls a:hover svg {
 fill : #04B;
}

/* COLOR OF TIDDLER BUTTONS */
html .tw-tiddler-controls svg {
 fill : #99CCFF;
}

.tw-tiddler-controls button:hover svg {
 fill : #04B;
}


In a tiddler tagged with $:/tags/stylesheet.

Up till now I did not try the Colorpalette.

Cheers,

Ton

On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:29:16 PM UTC+1, Jonathan Emmert wrote:
>
> Has anyone figured out how to adjust the palette color for a custom 
> button?  Like the Close-all, Home, Close-Others buttons that are out there? 
>  Thanks for the help.
>
> Jonathan
>

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[tw] Re: TW5 Palette

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jonathan,

Your close others button is missing a class, you need:

class="btn-invisible tw-image-Close-others-button"

In the stylesheet for this button you have to replace tw-page-controls by 
tw-tiddler-controls:

.tw-tiddler-controls svg.tw-image-Close-others-button

After these changes your button turns yeloow.

Cheers,

Ton


Ton


On Friday, March 21, 2014 12:53:07 PM UTC+1, Jonathan Emmert wrote:
>
> The last button is in the tiddlers, not in the sidebar.
>
> On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:25:39 PM UTC-4, Birthe C wrote:
>>
>> I do not see close other button in your sidebar, you have close all there.
>> But  you do have a close other button i your tiddler-controls.
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>> Den torsdag den 20. marts 2014 16.38.13 UTC+1 skrev Jonathan Emmert:
>>>
>>> Excellent - I was able to change 2 of the 3.  I am having some issues 
>>> with the Close-Others button.
>>>
>>> I edited the class on $:/_images/close-others-button
>>> I created tiddler: $:/Button/Close-others/Stylesheet (With the tag 
>>> $:/tags/stylesheet)
>>> and made the entry toolbar-Close-others-button: #80 into 
>>> $:/palettes/Blue
>>>
>>> But that button won't change colors.  Thoughts??
>>>
>>> Thanks so much for the help.  I wouldn't have gotten that alone.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:35:23 AM UTC-4, Stephan Hradek wrote:

 You should add a custom class to your custom buttons.

 Compare the classes of a standard button with yours:

 tw-image-save-button tw-image-button

 vs.
 tw-image-button

 For the save button there is a stylesheet defined:

 .tw-page-controls svg.tw-image-save-button {
 fill: <>;
 }


 Define something similar in a stylesheet tiddler like:

 .tw-page-controls svg.tw-image-4X-button {
 fill: <>;
 }


 And then define in the palettes like $:/palettes/Blue

 toolbar-4X-button: red


 I hope this will do.

>>>

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Upgrading on node to v5.0.8_b

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jeremy,

Since a few days I am again playing around with TW5 and node.js (Windows 7, 
Firefox v28, TW5.0.8-beta).
A few times I noted that changes were not saved, but I didn't have the 
console open so could not check messages.

Today it happened again while I had the console open (and the Windows 
command window open).
Like Matabele I get the impression that after a certain (idle?) time it 
just stops syncing without errors in the console.

Everything worked OK, I didn't do any editing for an hour or so and when I 
restarted editing nothing was saved.
Normally I see PUT messages, when idle I see GET messages in the console.
When it does not save I only see GET messages (once a minute a new one).

The Windows command window just stops with "syncer-server: Dispatching 
'save' task" messages.

Luckily I made every time an offline copy, so I did not lose anything, but 
this way I don't see any advantages over a standalone version ;-)

I know this does not help you that much (without any message in the 
console).
Just to let you know the problem was found by another person as well.

Cheers,

Ton


On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:41:24 PM UTC+1, Matabele wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Thanks - I've developed various techniques for saving my work for the time 
> being - would like to track down the problem though. I don't think this was 
> happening (at least I didn't notice), before the upgrade to v5.0.8-beta. I 
> have tried all kinds of tests, creating and deleting tiddlers, leaving some 
> tiddlers open whilst creating and deleting tiddlers etc. Haven't managed to 
> track this down to any action.
>
> As I mentioned, a server that stands completely idle from initial start 
> (other than opening the TW on the browser) may not function after some 
> delay. The fault seems to appear at completely random moments - at times 
> one server might function for hours without a problem, whilst another 
> develops the fault quickly. Meanwhile another idle server develops the 
> fault before first use.
>
> Unfortunately there are no anomalous messages in the terminal - all seems 
> to function correctly until the moment of failure. 
>
> There are a few other issues with saving: I have lost tiddlers on occasion 
> when saving (sort of deletes instead of saves - but the appearance is not 
> the same) and on occasions duplicate copies of tiddlers appear in the 
> Recent tab (deleting one usually deletes both.) These errors report a 
> syncing error in the terminal. This does not, however, appear to be related 
> to the saving failure, else these syncing error messages should appear last 
> in the terminal before each failure.
>
> I shall report any further observations.
>
> regards
>
> On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 2:27:38 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Hi Matabele
>>
>> I could do with some help to track this down, I've had similar reports in 
>> the past that I have been unable to reliably duplicate. It was the driver 
>> for the increased logging in 5.0.8.
>>
>> The open copy of the TW appears to be aware of the breakdown - when 
>>> closing or refreshing the page, a warning is issued to the effect that 
>>> there are unsaved changes. However, the only way to restore saving is to 
>>> restart the server and refresh the page (thus losing any edits since the 
>>> server ceased to function.)
>>>
>>
>> You can save your modified tiddlers as a standalone file via the control 
>> panel "Server" tab. Then you can open the standalone file in the browser 
>> and drag tiddlers back into your online wiki once you've restarted the 
>> server.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
>>  
>>
>>>
>>> Hope this helps identify the problem.
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014 11:52:21 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>
 Hi Matabele

 The problem is your tiddlywiki.info file. It doesn't contain the 
 plugins needed for the server edition to operate.

 The fix is to re-initialise the wiki folder with:

 tiddlywiki --init server

 Best wishes

 Jeremy



 On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Matabele  wrote:

> 
>
>
> 
>
> I start from the command line as shown - also shown my tiddlywiki.info
>
>
> On Monday, March 3, 2014 8:21:33 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
>> Hi Matabele
>>
>> Could you please show a copy of:
>>
>> * The batch file you're using to start the server
>> * The content of the tiddlywiki.info file in your wiki folder
>>
>> Also, what OS and browser are you using?
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Matabele  wrote:
>>
>>> One further observation - when refreshing the browser, I get a 
>>> warning of the sort 'Do you want

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Upgrading on node to v5.0.8_b

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jeremy,

Again save/sync problems.

Now I get - after some time not editing - messages about "Draft of new 
tiddlers" while I don't see an open draft tiddler.
>From that time on it does not save anymore.

GET http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers.json [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 
36ms]
GET http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers.json [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 
34ms]
GET http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers.json [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 
44ms]
GET http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers.json [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 
41ms]
PUT 
http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27 
[HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms]
no element found Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27:1
PUT http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/New%20Tiddler [HTTP/1.1 
204 OK 1ms]
no element found New%20Tiddler:1
PUT 
http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27 
[HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms]
no element found Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27:1
PUT 
http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27 
[HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms]
no element found Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27:1
PUT 
http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27 
[HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms]
no element found Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27:1

The Windows command windows shows the same kind of messages:

syncer-server: Dispatching 'save' task: Draft of 'New Tiddler'
FileSystem: Saved file D:\Data\TiddlyWiki\TW5\_TW5_Node\TW5Help\tiddlers/
Draft of 'New Tiddler'.tid
syncer-server: Dispatching 'save' task: Draft of 'New Tiddler'
FileSystem: Saved file D:\Data\TiddlyWiki\TW5\_TW5_Node\TW5Help\tiddlers/
Draft of 'New Tiddler'.tid

Hope that helps.

Cheers,

Ton


On Friday, March 21, 2014 6:48:28 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Ton
>
> Thanks for the report. There's a fix for one of the outstanding sync 
> problems in 5.0.9, courtesy of this pull request from buggyj:
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/496
>
> That fix concerns tiddlers that get deleted while there is still a pending 
> save to the server. I think the situation you describe is a different 
> problem, and we'll continue to investigate.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Ton Gerner 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi Jeremy,
>>
>> Since a few days I am again playing around with TW5 and node.js (Windows 
>> 7, Firefox v28, TW5.0.8-beta).
>> A few times I noted that changes were not saved, but I didn't have the 
>> console open so could not check messages.
>>
>> Today it happened again while I had the console open (and the Windows 
>> command window open).
>> Like Matabele I get the impression that after a certain (idle?) time it 
>> just stops syncing without errors in the console.
>>
>> Everything worked OK, I didn't do any editing for an hour or so and when 
>> I restarted editing nothing was saved.
>> Normally I see PUT messages, when idle I see GET messages in the console.
>> When it does not save I only see GET messages (once a minute a new one).
>>
>> The Windows command window just stops with "syncer-server: Dispatching 
>> 'save' task" messages.
>>
>> Luckily I made every time an offline copy, so I did not lose anything, 
>> but this way I don't see any advantages over a standalone version ;-)
>>
>> I know this does not help you that much (without any message in the 
>> console).
>> Just to let you know the problem was found by another person as well.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:41:24 PM UTC+1, Matabele wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Thanks - I've developed various techniques for saving my work for the 
>>> time being - would like to track down the problem though. I don't think 
>>> this was happening (at least I didn't notice), before the upgrade to 
>>> v5.0.8-beta. I have tried all kinds of tests, creating and deleting 
>>> tiddlers, leaving some tiddlers open whilst creating and deleting tiddlers 
>>> etc. Haven't managed to track this down to any action.
>>>
>>> As I mentioned, a server that stands completely idle from initial start 
>>> (other than opening the TW on the browser) may not function after some 
>>> delay. The fault seems to appear at completely random moments - at times 
>>> one server might function for hours without a problem, whilst another 
>>> develops the fault quickly. Meanwhile another idle server develops the 
>>> fault before first use.
>>>
>>

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Upgrading on node to v5.0.8_b

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jeremy,

Addendum:
Upon restarting the node TW I find a "New tiddler" and a "Draft of 'New 
Tiddler'" (the last added tiddler that has *not* been saved).

Cheers,

Ton

On Friday, March 21, 2014 9:39:44 PM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Hi Jeremy,
>
> Again save/sync problems.
>
> Now I get - after some time not editing - messages about "Draft of new 
> tiddlers" while I don't see an open draft tiddler.
> From that time on it does not save anymore.
>
> GET http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers.json [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 
> 36ms]
> GET http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers.json [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 
> 34ms]
> GET http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers.json [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 
> 44ms]
> GET http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers.json [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 
> 41ms]
> PUT 
> http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27
>  
> [HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms]
> no element found Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27:1
> PUT http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/New%20Tiddler 
> [HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms]
> no element found New%20Tiddler:1
> PUT 
> http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27
>  
> [HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms]
> no element found Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27:1
> PUT 
> http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27
>  
> [HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms]
> no element found Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27:1
> PUT 
> http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27
>  
> [HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms]
> no element found Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27:1
>
> The Windows command windows shows the same kind of messages:
>
> syncer-server: Dispatching 'save' task: Draft of 'New Tiddler'
> FileSystem: Saved file D:\Data\TiddlyWiki\TW5\_TW5_Node\TW5Help\tiddlers/
> Draft of 'New Tiddler'.tid
> syncer-server: Dispatching 'save' task: Draft of 'New Tiddler'
> FileSystem: Saved file D:\Data\TiddlyWiki\TW5\_TW5_Node\TW5Help\tiddlers/
> Draft of 'New Tiddler'.tid
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>
>
> On Friday, March 21, 2014 6:48:28 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ton
>>
>> Thanks for the report. There's a fix for one of the outstanding sync 
>> problems in 5.0.9, courtesy of this pull request from buggyj:
>>
>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/496
>>
>> That fix concerns tiddlers that get deleted while there is still a 
>> pending save to the server. I think the situation you describe is a 
>> different problem, and we'll continue to investigate.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Ton Gerner  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jeremy,
>>>
>>> Since a few days I am again playing around with TW5 and node.js (Windows 
>>> 7, Firefox v28, TW5.0.8-beta).
>>> A few times I noted that changes were not saved, but I didn't have the 
>>> console open so could not check messages.
>>>
>>> Today it happened again while I had the console open (and the Windows 
>>> command window open).
>>> Like Matabele I get the impression that after a certain (idle?) time it 
>>> just stops syncing without errors in the console.
>>>
>>> Everything worked OK, I didn't do any editing for an hour or so and when 
>>> I restarted editing nothing was saved.
>>> Normally I see PUT messages, when idle I see GET messages in the console.
>>> When it does not save I only see GET messages (once a minute a new one).
>>>
>>> The Windows command window just stops with "syncer-server: Dispatching 
>>> 'save' task" messages.
>>>
>>> Luckily I made every time an offline copy, so I did not lose anything, 
>>> but this way I don't see any advantages over a standalone version ;-)
>>>
>>> I know this does not help you that much (without any message in the 
>>> console).
>>> Just to let you know the problem was found by another person as well.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Ton
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:41:24 PM UTC+1, Matabele wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> Thanks - I've developed various techniques for saving my work for the 
>>>> time being - would like to track down the problem though. I don't think 
>>>> this was happening (at least I didn

Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Upgrading on node to v5.0.8_b

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jeremy,

Since my last post I switched to Chrome (instead of Firefox).
Up till now I have no sync/save problems anymore with TW & node.js.

   - Is it possible the problem is browser dependent?
   - Is this in line with the bug reports you got?


Cheers,

Ton


On Friday, March 21, 2014 9:47:04 PM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote:
>
> Hi Jeremy,
>
> Addendum:
> Upon restarting the node TW I find a "New tiddler" and a "Draft of 'New 
> Tiddler'" (the last added tiddler that has *not* been saved).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ton
>
> On Friday, March 21, 2014 9:39:44 PM UTC+1, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jeremy,
>>
>> Again save/sync problems.
>>
>> Now I get - after some time not editing - messages about "Draft of new 
>> tiddlers" while I don't see an open draft tiddler.
>> From that time on it does not save anymore.
>>
>> GET http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers.json [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 
>> 36ms]
>> GET http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers.json [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 
>> 34ms]
>> GET http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers.json [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 
>> 44ms]
>> GET http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers.json [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 
>> 41ms]
>> PUT 
>> http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27
>>  
>> [HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms]
>> no element found Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27:1
>> PUT http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/New%20Tiddler 
>> [HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms]
>> no element found New%20Tiddler:1
>> PUT 
>> http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27
>>  
>> [HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms]
>> no element found Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27:1
>> PUT 
>> http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27
>>  
>> [HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms]
>> no element found Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27:1
>> PUT 
>> http://localhost:8080/recipes/default/tiddlers/Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27
>>  
>> [HTTP/1.1 204 OK 1ms]
>> no element found Draft%20of%20%27New%20Tiddler%27:1
>>
>> The Windows command windows shows the same kind of messages:
>>
>> syncer-server: Dispatching 'save' task: Draft of 'New Tiddler'
>> FileSystem: Saved file D:\Data\TiddlyWiki\TW5\_TW5_Node\TW5Help\tiddlers/
>> Draft of 'New Tiddler'.tid
>> syncer-server: Dispatching 'save' task: Draft of 'New Tiddler'
>> FileSystem: Saved file D:\Data\TiddlyWiki\TW5\_TW5_Node\TW5Help\tiddlers/
>> Draft of 'New Tiddler'.tid
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 21, 2014 6:48:28 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Ton
>>>
>>> Thanks for the report. There's a fix for one of the outstanding sync 
>>> problems in 5.0.9, courtesy of this pull request from buggyj:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/496
>>>
>>> That fix concerns tiddlers that get deleted while there is still a 
>>> pending save to the server. I think the situation you describe is a 
>>> different problem, and we'll continue to investigate.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Ton Gerner  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jeremy,
>>>>
>>>> Since a few days I am again playing around with TW5 and node.js 
>>>> (Windows 7, Firefox v28, TW5.0.8-beta).
>>>> A few times I noted that changes were not saved, but I didn't have the 
>>>> console open so could not check messages.
>>>>
>>>> Today it happened again while I had the console open (and the Windows 
>>>> command window open).
>>>> Like Matabele I get the impression that after a certain (idle?) time it 
>>>> just stops syncing without errors in the console.
>>>>
>>>> Everything worked OK, I didn't do any editing for an hour or so and 
>>>> when I restarted editing nothing was saved.
>>>> Normally I see PUT messages, when idle I see GET messages in the 
>>>> console.
>>>> When it does not save I only see GET messages (once a minute a new one).
>>>>
>>>> The Windows command window just stops with "syncer-server: Dispatching 
>>>> 'save' task" messages.
>>>>
>>>> Luckily I made every tim

[tw] Re: TW5 How do I install a theme while building tiddlywiki with individual tiddlers from command line? (tw5gray, etch)

[Ton Gerner]

Hi cb,

On Friday, March 28, 2014 7:40:10 AM UTC+1, cb wrote:
>
> Hi, 
>
> I have been building TW5 from individual tiddlers as described  here --> 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/blob/master/editions/tw5.com/tiddlers/howtos/How_to_build_a_TiddlyWiki5_from_individual_tiddlers.tid
>
> I like the wider tiddler width of the Etch theme. 
>
> How can I include the Etch theme  and default to it, while building my tw5 
> out of individual tiddlers?
>
> On a related note, if I want to keep the default theme (I think it's 
> snowwhite), but just want a much wider view for tiddlers, what's the 
> simplest way to do it?
>

Have a look at http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/ which shows 4 
possibilities for handling the tiddler width and Sidebar.

Cheers,

Ton 

>
> Thanks for all your responses!
>
> cb
>
>

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[tw] Re: secret comments? [TW5]

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Alex,

Or

@@display:none;
Hidden text
@@

Cheers,

Ton

On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 10:41:14 PM UTC+2, AlexHough wrote:
>
> Hello there,
>
>
> In TWC you could, as far as I remember, include text in edit mode that 
> would not show up in view mode. Is this available in TW5?
>
> Alex
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Previous and next links both at top and bottom

[Ton Gerner]

Hi FrD,

Open $:/tags/ViewTemplate and add Navigation to the list field at the place 
you want it to appear.

Cheers,

Ton


On Saturday, April 5, 2014 7:26:50 PM UTC+2, FrD wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm using the previous and next links as described in :
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&pli=1#!topic/tiddlywiki/GlWwfKh0ntI
>
> So I have a tiddler Navigation with :
>
> Précédent : <$list 
> filter="[is[current]previous[Livre]]"/>  Suivant : <$list 
> filter="[is[current]next[Livre]]"/>
>
> It's  tagged $:/tags/ViewTemplate.
>
> The links appear at the bottom sinc this tiddler is processed after the 
> shadow stylesheet tiddlers.
>
> How do I get the links both at the top and at the bottom ?
> Is there a way other than transcluding a tiddler like Navigation at the 
> top and the bottom ?
>
> Thanks
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Previous and next links both at top and bottom

[Ton Gerner]

Hi FrD,

Duplicating Navigation at the end of the list in $:/tags/ViewTemplate doesn't 
work, but you can duplicate the tiddler Navigation as e.g. Navigation1 
(tagged with $:/tags/ViewTemplate).
Then you will have the navigation links at the bottom as well.

Cheers,

Ton


On Saturday, April 5, 2014 10:13:48 PM UTC+2, FrD wrote:
>
> Hi Ton,
>
> Thanks for the quick answer !
>
> I've put Navigation between $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/tags and 
> $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/body.
> So my navigation links appear above the text. But it does not appear 
> anymore at the bottom of the tiddler.
> I'm trying to get both ...
>
> FrD
>
> Le samedi 5 avril 2014 21:47:16 UTC+2, Ton Gerner a écrit :
>>
>> Hi FrD,
>>
>> Open $:/tags/ViewTemplate and add Navigation to the list field at the 
>> place you want it to appear.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, April 5, 2014 7:26:50 PM UTC+2, FrD wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm using the previous and next links as described in :
>>>
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&pli=1#!topic/tiddlywiki/GlWwfKh0ntI
>>>
>>> So I have a tiddler Navigation with :
>>>
>>> Précédent : <$list 
>>> filter="[is[current]previous[Livre]]"/>  Suivant : <$list 
>>> filter="[is[current]next[Livre]]"/>
>>>
>>> It's  tagged $:/tags/ViewTemplate.
>>>
>>> The links appear at the bottom sinc this tiddler is processed after the 
>>> shadow stylesheet tiddlers.
>>>
>>> How do I get the links both at the top and at the bottom ?
>>> Is there a way other than transcluding a tiddler like Navigation at the 
>>> top and the bottom ?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw] [TW5] Strange behaviour of tag pills in 3 column mode in 5.0.8-beta

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Jeremy,

Just curious if you found anything about this strange web-kit behaviour and 
5.0.8-beta.

Cheers,

Ton

On Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:30:32 AM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Very odd. Both versions are actually producing identical markup for the 
> tiddler in question. We must be somehow tickling a bug in Chrome, I guess. 
> I'll investigate further,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Ton Gerner 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi Jeremy,
>>
>> Yes I have a 5.0.7 version: 
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2638511/TW5_toolbar_v4.6.html
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ton
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:00:07 AM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ton
>>>
>>> That's very interesting. Do you have a 5.0.7 version of tw5toolbar for 
>>> comparison?
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Ton Gerner  wrote:
>>>
>>>> At http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/ I use a 'List tags' button that 
>>>> opens a tiddler that contains:
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> @@.threecolumns
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> {{$:/core/ui/MoreSideBar/Tags}}
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> @@
>>>>
>>>> A style sheet contains:
>>>>
>>>> /* DISPLAY IN 3 COLUMNS */
>>>> /* for List all tags */ 
>>>> .threecolumns {
>>>>  display: block;
>>>>  column-count: 3;
>>>>  -moz-column-count: 3; 
>>>>  -webkit-column-count: 3;
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> With TW5.0.8-beta this works in Firefox v27, but not (anymore) in 
>>>> Chrome v33 (all in Windows 7 64-bit).
>>>> It still does work in TW5.0.7-beta and Chrome v33.
>>>>
>>>> One of the changes in TW5.0.8-beta is the addition of the 'Tag manager'.
>>>> Leaving that button out (copying only part of the code of 
>>>> $:/core/ui/MoreSideBar/Tags in a tiddler) did not help.
>>>>
>>>> The strange thing is that the 'untagged' tag pill works as expected, 
>>>> the other tag pills don't. It looks like the "clickable area" for the tag 
>>>> pills has been shifted outside the tag pills:
>>>>
>>>> Just above $/tags/PageTemplate (at the left side of the button) you can 
>>>> click and $:/tags/ViewToolbar opens!
>>>> Just above $/tags/PageControls (at the left side of the button) you can 
>>>> click and $:/tags/ViewTemplate opens!
>>>> Just above $/tags/stylesheet (at the left side of the button) you can 
>>>> click and Documentation opens!
>>>> Just below $:/tags/AdvancedSearch (at the left side of the button) you 
>>>> can click and $/tags/stylesheet opens!
>>>>
>>>> Internet Explorer v11 works normal, Opera 12 shows only 2 colums, 
>>>> misses the last tag pills but the tag pills can be clicked.
>>>>
>>>> For the time being I will skip the 3 column mode but I am curious what 
>>>> happens: strange behaviour of TW5.0.8-beta, Chrome, or the combination of 
>>>> TW and Chrome?
>>>>
>>>> Any idea?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Ton
>>>>
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