[tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[Cyrill Andreani]

Mat, 
Thanks to your reactivity. The version is drift, derived from Roam/Stroll 
of course.
I delete the core tiddler and will check the usibility of this edition.
:)

Mat schrieb am Montag, 29. Juni 2020 um 19:55:17 UTC+2:

> @David Gifford and @Cyrill
>
> OK, after having had a look at Cyrills file, I note that the core shadow 
> tiddler $:/core/ui/EditTemplate/fields is modified in... is it called 
> Stroll or Roam (sorry). That core tiddler was updated in October last year (
> here 
> )
>  
> but Stroll/Roam seems to use the older version and possibly with some other 
> customizations (I didn't search).
>
> If this tiddler is deleted, then the core version of it is restored 
> automatically, and fieldvalueselector works. But then any mods critical for 
> Stroll/Roam are of course lost *IF *there in deed are any. That is 
> hopefully something @David can answer - otherwise you (@Cyrill) can 
> investigate any differences between the Stroll/Roam version of that tiddler 
> and the updated core version. FieldValueSelector uses the
> <> instead of the old $:/temp/newfieldname so that is 
> the only difference that I can tell is problematic for sure.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[Mat]

@David Gifford and @Cyrill

OK, after having had a look at Cyrills file, I note that the core shadow 
tiddler $:/core/ui/EditTemplate/fields is modified in... is it called 
Stroll or Roam (sorry). That core tiddler was updated in October last year (
here 
)
 
but Stroll/Roam seems to use the older version and possibly with some other 
customizations (I didn't search).

If this tiddler is deleted, then the core version of it is restored 
automatically, and fieldvalueselector works. But then any mods critical for 
Stroll/Roam are of course lost *IF *there in deed are any. That is 
hopefully something @David can answer - otherwise you (@Cyrill) can 
investigate any differences between the Stroll/Roam version of that tiddler 
and the updated core version. FieldValueSelector uses the
<> instead of the old $:/temp/newfieldname so that is 
the only difference that I can tell is problematic for sure.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[Cyrill Andreani]

Mat, 
can you please send me your emailadress, cause i have no rights to answer 
you directly.

Many thanks in advance

Mat schrieb am Samstag, 27. Juni 2020 um 13:38:00 UTC+2:

> ...after you first remove any other plugins, please.
>
> <:-)
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[Mat]

Lin Onetwo wrote:
>
> Oh, I can see it is not a plugin, can I wrap it?
>

You do what you want. If you think it can be of value for others, just 
please share it also.

<:-) 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[林东吴]

Oh, I can see it is not a plugin, can I wrap it?

I will use this plugin.info:

{
  "title": "$:/plugins/mat/field-value-selector",
  "description": "Shows a dropdown listing existing field values for that
field name.",
  "author": "Mat von TWaddle",
  "core-version": ">=5.1.22",
  "plugin-type": "plugin",
  "version": "0.0.1",
  "list": "readme"
}


林东吴  于2020年6月29日周一 下午2:32写道：

> Thank you Mat!
>
> I like this plugin! Can I have a folder based version for my NodeJS tw?
>
> LinOnetwo
>
> Mat  于2020年6月28日周日 上午4:29写道：
>
>> OGNSYA wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not really a coder and don't use github... Should I add it as an
>>> "Issue" request there?
>>>
>>
>> Yes, it'd be an Issue request using the "Idea" rather than "Bug"
>> alternative. After you've posted it, you can edit both the text and the
>> headline if you need to so if you get feedback suggestions on how you
>> formulate it then this is not a big deal. Just sayin.
>>
>> <:-)
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Re: [tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[林东吴]

Thank you Mat!

I like this plugin! Can I have a folder based version for my NodeJS tw?

LinOnetwo

Mat  于2020年6月28日周日 上午4:29写道：

> OGNSYA wrote:
>>
>> I'm not really a coder and don't use github... Should I add it as an
>> "Issue" request there?
>>
>
> Yes, it'd be an Issue request using the "Idea" rather than "Bug"
> alternative. After you've posted it, you can edit both the text and the
> headline if you need to so if you get feedback suggestions on how you
> formulate it then this is not a big deal. Just sayin.
>
> <:-)
>
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[tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[Mat]

OGNSYA wrote:
>
> I'm not really a coder and don't use github... Should I add it as an 
> "Issue" request there?
>

Yes, it'd be an Issue request using the "Idea" rather than "Bug" 
alternative. After you've posted it, you can edit both the text and the 
headline if you need to so if you get feedback suggestions on how you 
formulate it then this is not a big deal. Just sayin.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[OGNSYA]

Works like a beauty! Thanks Mat and Saq.

This definitely seems like it should be part of TW by default... 
I'm not sure how to go about suggesting that though.
I'm not really a coder and don't use github... Should I add it as an 
"Issue" request there?

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 8:50:35 PM UTC+1 Mat wrote:

> Yeah, OGNSYA, that code from Saq is good. Instead of Saq's interesting 
> recipes, you can try it on tiddlyiki.com using e.g
>
> <>
>
> my-field:{{!!my-field}}
>
> also, to be safe, the single quote characters should be replaced with 
> triple quotes if you have any tiddler titles that contain quote characters.
>
> To use this inside e.g TiddlyTables you'll have to modify TiddlyTables to 
> make this macrocall instead of the edittext widget call.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[Mat]

Yeah, OGNSYA, that code from Saq is good. Instead of Saq's interesting 
recipes, you can try it on tiddlyiki.com using e.g

<>

my-field:{{!!my-field}}

also, to be safe, the single quote characters should be replaced with 
triple quotes if you have any tiddler titles that contain quote characters.

To use this inside e.g TiddlyTables you'll have to modify TiddlyTables to 
make this macrocall instead of the edittext widget call.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[Saq Imtiaz]

This might be a bit tricky to parse out of context, but this is one of my 
macros for a field with a popup with previously used values. It accepts two 
parameters, the first a field and the second the filter to use to get the 
values.


\define editFieldPicker(field,filter)
<$edit-text tiddler="$(currentTiddler)$" field="$field$" 
focusPopup="$:/state/sqtc/new-puerh-form-$field$" 
class="tc-popup-handle"/><$reveal 
state="$:/state/sqtc/new-puerh-form-$field$" type="nomatch" text="" 
default="">

<$linkcatcher to="$(currentTiddler)$!!$field$" >

<$list filter="$filter$">
<$button tag="a" class="tc-btn-invisible" to={{!!title}}><$view 
field="caption">{{!!title}}





\end

<>



On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 4:36:04 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> OGNSYA wrote:
>>
>> I tend to do a lot of field editing from other tiddlers though (for 
>> example, using TiddlyTables, directly in the cells).
>> Would love for values to be suggested there as well...
>>
>> Any chance this can be implemented to work in any place where that field 
>> can be edited?
>>
>
> Hm. I guess it could be made so that instead of calling the 
> EditTextWidget, you called a custom macro that simply contains the 
> EditTextWidget but also a call to the fieldvalueselector. But if 
> TiddlyTables allows direct editing of cells, I assume this is done by 
> calling the EditTextWidget... i.e you'd have to remake TiddlyTables so that 
> it instead called this custom macro. Definitely doable but TiddlyTables is 
> not my plugin - and you only mention TiddlyTables as one example, 
> indicating additional contexts.
>
> Maybe you should make a gh request that the EditTextWidget can natively 
> show used values. There could be some flag in the widget. I think it makes 
> sense.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[OGNSYA]

Cool, I'll do a request.

I'm not a coder, and not familiar with github. 
I just created an account and found TW5 there.
Should I add this under "Issues" or "Pull requests"?
(first one seems inaccurate, second seems a bit too serious :D)



On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 3:36:04 PM UTC+1 Mat wrote:

> OGNSYA wrote:
>>
>> I tend to do a lot of field editing from other tiddlers though (for 
>> example, using TiddlyTables, directly in the cells).
>> Would love for values to be suggested there as well...
>>
>> Any chance this can be implemented to work in any place where that field 
>> can be edited?
>>
>
> Hm. I guess it could be made so that instead of calling the 
> EditTextWidget, you called a custom macro that simply contains the 
> EditTextWidget but also a call to the fieldvalueselector. But if 
> TiddlyTables allows direct editing of cells, I assume this is done by 
> calling the EditTextWidget... i.e you'd have to remake TiddlyTables so that 
> it instead called this custom macro. Definitely doable but TiddlyTables is 
> not my plugin - and you only mention TiddlyTables as one example, 
> indicating additional contexts.
>
> Maybe you should make a gh request that the EditTextWidget can natively 
> show used values. There could be some flag in the widget. I think it makes 
> sense.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[Mat]

OGNSYA wrote:
>
> I tend to do a lot of field editing from other tiddlers though (for 
> example, using TiddlyTables, directly in the cells).
> Would love for values to be suggested there as well...
>
> Any chance this can be implemented to work in any place where that field 
> can be edited?
>

Hm. I guess it could be made so that instead of calling the EditTextWidget, 
you called a custom macro that simply contains the EditTextWidget but also 
a call to the fieldvalueselector. But if TiddlyTables allows direct editing 
of cells, I assume this is done by calling the EditTextWidget... i.e you'd 
have to remake TiddlyTables so that it instead called this custom macro. 
Definitely doable but TiddlyTables is not my plugin - and you only mention 
TiddlyTables as one example, indicating additional contexts.

Maybe you should make a gh request that the EditTextWidget can natively 
show used values. There could be some flag in the widget. I think it makes 
sense.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[OGNSYA]

That's so useful!

I tend to do a lot of field editing from other tiddlers though (for 
example, using TiddlyTables, directly in the cells).
Would love for values to be suggested there as well...

Any chance this can be implemented to work in any place where that field 
can be edited?


On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 5:53:55 PM UTC+1, Mat wrote:
>
> *TWaddle Global Enterprises Incorporated Limited International Multisuper* 
> presents 
> the...
>
> field value selector 
>
> a drop down to select *field value* when creating new field
>
>
> This is just a *small* tool for *wikitext developers*. Not very sexy for 
> the general user.
>
> Similar to the "new field name" dropdown, this shows a dropdown listing 
> existing *field values* for that field name.
>
> The incentive to create this was the *list-before* and *list-after* 
> fields - it is frustratingly impossible to remember the title names to fill 
> in. In the process of solving this, I made the dropdown general to handle 
> values for all fields.
>
> This does NOT overwrite any shadow tids - but the cost is that the little 
> arrow appears below the "new field" area, rather than integrated into it.
>
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[Mat]

...after you first remove any other plugins, please.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[Mat]

Cyrill wrote:
>
> when you wish i could send you the file directly via pm ?
>

yeah, do.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[Cyrill]

 Mat,
*I use*
* 5.1.22, *
this render the name of the tiddler...
when you wish i could send you the file directly via pm ?

Mat schrieb am Freitag, 26. Juni 2020 um 16:47:30 UTC+2:

> What's your TW version? It must be recent enough to accept the following 
> command:
>
> <$link/>
>
> If you put this in a tiddler, does this render the name of the tiddler or 
> does it not render anything? If it doesn't render anything - you should 
> upgrade your TW.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[Mat]

What's your TW version? It must be recent enough to accept the following 
command:

<$link/>

If you put this in a tiddler, does this render the name of the tiddler or 
does it not render anything? If it doesn't render anything - you should 
upgrade your TW.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[Cyrill]

Mat, 
it concern every field and only special character I use in the values is 
"-" between, p.e. in that form  "BGB - 242".
I use the "drift" edition, recently assembled here,  with some plugins. I 
tested to disable all plugins, but it seem to have no positive effect...
 
Mat schrieb am Donnerstag, 25. Juni 2020 um 20:22:17 UTC+2:

> UPDATED - I changed all enclosing quotes for triple quotes which could 
> have an effect. If this doesn't solve your problem then I suspect you have 
> funny characters in your fields. BTW, does it only fail for "gesetz" 
> specifically or is it for all field names?
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[Mat]

UPDATED - I changed all enclosing quotes for triple quotes which could have 
an effect. If this doesn't solve your problem then I suspect you have funny 
characters in your fields. BTW, does it only fail for "gesetz" specifically 
or is it for all field names?

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[Cyrill]

Hey Mat,

yes I have already entered values in this fields of the tiddlers.

Your code in Tiddlers text give me a long list with first tiddler title and 
the field "gesetz" value beside it.

Best

Mat schrieb am Donnerstag, 25. Juni 2020 um 12:53:20 UTC+2:

> @Cyrill
>
> As Tony notes, you must have used that field name previously, *and *it 
> must have values set, in order for it to list the values for that field. 
> Have you? There is no way to tell from your picture. What do you get if you 
> put this in a tiddler:
>
> <$list filter="[has[gesetz]]">
> <$link/> - {{!!gesetz}}
> 
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[Mat]

@Cyrill

As Tony notes, you must have used that field name previously, *and *it must 
have values set, in order for it to list the values for that field. Have 
you? There is no way to tell from your picture. What do you get if you put 
this in a tiddler:

<$list filter="[has[gesetz]]">
<$link/> - {{!!gesetz}}


<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[TW Tones]

I believe the field needs to already exist with values elsewhere 

Is that the case?

tony

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[TW Tones]

Mat,

Thanks I will fork it, but I may share back because I am hoping the 
Autonomouse tags, fields buttons etc... take off, in which case it would 
not be niche

A simple extra mechanism will use a field-values-filter if a tiddler of 
fieldname exists. It will have no impact on your field value selector, 
except when a "fieldtiddler" exists and in effect make field selector a 
little more configurable.

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 9:02:33 AM UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>
> TW Tones (...I've been away from the boards for so long you even changed 
> your name!? ;-)
>
> Thanks for updating this. Its quite an elegant solution.
>>
>
> Thanks for the kind words. Personally I was somewhat taken aback now that 
> I looked at it again, that it is so complex for something that small. I 
> don't remember how I made it originally but it uses a few techniques that 
> are not "typically me" (e.g using the LinkCatcherWidget) so I strongly 
> suspect I based it on something else in the TW code.
>
> Anyhow, I think you should make a fork because your ideas make it even 
> more "niche", as far as I can tell. As noted, I most likely got the basic 
> parts of it from the core code so do steal on ;-) I mean, unless otherwise 
> specified all my shared stuff is for the benefit of the community so if 
> people can take it even further and share, then that's just good.
>
> BTW, I just updated with some minor tweaks (exchanging the old verbose 
> link syntax for the modern compacted <$link/> syntax. No change in 
> functionality.)
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[Mat]

TW Tones (...I've been away from the boards for so long you even changed 
your name!? ;-)

Thanks for updating this. Its quite an elegant solution.
>

Thanks for the kind words. Personally I was somewhat taken aback now that I 
looked at it again, that it is so complex for something that small. I don't 
remember how I made it originally but it uses a few techniques that are not 
"typically me" (e.g using the LinkCatcherWidget) so I strongly suspect I 
based it on something else in the TW code.

Anyhow, I think you should make a fork because your ideas make it even more 
"niche", as far as I can tell. As noted, I most likely got the basic parts 
of it from the core code so do steal on ;-) I mean, unless otherwise 
specified all my shared stuff is for the benefit of the community so if 
people can take it even further and share, then that's just good.

BTW, I just updated with some minor tweaks (exchanging the old verbose link 
syntax for the modern compacted <$link/> syntax. No change in 
functionality.)

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[Mat]

Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> I would like to have the list of tiddlers come up only when I'm using a 
> certain field or two: namely the mother and father fields. If I'm editing 
> any other field, I would like it to be have as you originally intended.
>

That is what happens for list-before and list-after so if you study how 
those cases are handled, I think you should figure it out. 
 

> I'm anticipating my list of tiddlers to become quite large, so what I 
> would like to add is the capability of typing in the field input box to 
> narrow down the list of tiddlers or previously used field values. 
>

As you note, typing (i.e setting focus to) anything outside of the popup 
closes the popup. So it would have to be a different mechanism. However, I 
use this tactic for my (initiated but not finished) attempt at a title 
picker, see elsewhere.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[TW Tones]

Mat,

Thanks for updating this. Its quite an elegant solution. Rather than me 
"forking" your solution are you interested in some slight feature changes?
I am happy to contribute code and methods.

   - For example if the fieldname exists as a tiddler and contains a field 
   "field-values-filter" it will use that rather than existing values?
   - An option to select such values after field creation
   - Some other ideas

Otherwise if you wish to keep this solution as is, may I use some of your 
techniques in other solutions I am developing? effectively steal you code?

I see value in using this to extend the concept of Autonomous fields 
 raised earlier by 
me

Regards
TW Tones

On Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 6:16:16 AM UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>
> UPDATED
>
> http://fieldvalueselector.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[Mat]

UPDATED

http://fieldvalueselector.tiddlyspot.com/

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[Cyrill]

Hey,

last time i frequently use your macro, but from version 5.122 it 
unfortunatly dont work anymore.
It shows previously unused field name, which is not right 

Perhaps some brains here could have a closer look to the code modification 
between ..
Beste Regards


Am Samstag, 23. September 2017 18:53:55 UTC+2 schrieb Mat:
>
> *TWaddle Global Enterprises Incorporated Limited International Multisuper* 
> presents 
> the...
>
> field value selector 
>
> a drop down to select *field value* when creating new field
>
>
> This is just a *small* tool for *wikitext developers*. Not very sexy for 
> the general user.
>
> Similar to the "new field name" dropdown, this shows a dropdown listing 
> existing *field values* for that field name.
>
> The incentive to create this was the *list-before* and *list-after* 
> fields - it is frustratingly impossible to remember the title names to fill 
> in. In the process of solving this, I made the dropdown general to handle 
> values for all fields.
>
> This does NOT overwrite any shadow tids - but the cost is that the little 
> arrow appears below the "new field" area, rather than integrated into it.
>
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: field value selector

[HC Haase]

Hi Mat
I really like to use your "plugin" it could be quite handy in some cases. 
but like J MC  I cant get it to work. Is there a bug?

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