Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[TW Tones]

All especially those with competition entries,

*Love all this work, wish I had these image design skills. *Whatever wins 
it would be nice to collect the final submissions (and previous ones) as 
collateral people building a wiki could use, on there home tiddler, as 
icons, favicons (sometimes), Wiki or tiddler backgrounds, or images 
especially when demonstrating a feature of that release.

When you drag and drop a tiddler to a valid location you see a mouse 
pointer and a little box with a plus, on my browsers at least. Perhaps 
stamping your design with this would promote the drag features of the new 
version. I suggest a different color just to stop people confusing with 
their own mouse pointer.

Regards
Tones


On Wednesday, 30 June 2021 at 07:30:50 UTC+10 james.w@gmail.com wrote:

> I meant @springer, not whoever skinner is :)
>
> On Tuesday, 29 June 2021 at 22:29:33 UTC+1 James Anderson wrote:
>
>> Hi Frank,
>>
>> I asked skinner to remove the alts, I was just playing on the same idea 
>> and didn't want to flood the list of choices.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> James
>>
>> On Tuesday, 29 June 2021 at 21:03:12 UTC+1 f.brunsb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> *@springer: *
>>> Really cool your last picture ... and now in RGB style like the picture 
>>> of James "chroma-b-alt.png"... By the way, 
>>> I'm missing some pictures on tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com What's 
>>> going on?
>>>
>>> *@James.W: *Have I mentioned that I like your RGB series? I also like 
>>> the spirit of "emoji-field-title.png". 
>>> There might be more hints of new features swimming in the background ...
>>>
>>>
>>> My favourites so far are (excluding my pictures) and without ranking:
>>>
>>>- 3D twisted version white.png (springer)
>>>- dark-fields.png (springer)
>>>- json-file-icon-semi-alpha.png (Mohammad)
>>>- chroma-b-alt.png (James W)
>>>- emoji-field-title.png (James W)
>>>
>>> and even if its shine is slowly fading:
>>>
>>>- iamdar-1.png (IAmDarthMole)
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with Jeremy, perhaps such a contest would be useful for an 
>>> advertising banner. For a simple release number, the effort is great, 
>>> because unfortunately it will soon be replaced again. An advertising 
>>> banner, if without a number, can at least be used for longer.
>>>
>>> A fixed scheme (e.g. logo on the left side, release number on the right 
>>> side, colours fixed in advance) and ... instead an advertising banner on 
>>> "HelloThere" in the background? I would, I like that.
>>>
>>> Here for this competition I would have liked something like an end date, 
>>> a deadline. Perhaps also a maximum number of inputs.
>>> As I see it, the many beautiful pictures, only a small number of people 
>>> have created. More outdoor advertising for such actions is needed. This in 
>>> turn generates more "word of mouth". More people, more ideas, finished 
>>> faster. 
>>>
>>> I will not post any new pictures now. Not that I don't enjoy it. But I 
>>> don't get to do anything else.
>>> However, I am happy to accept requests for changes. Also who would like 
>>> to have the original files (is SVG) may contact me.
>>>
>>> When it comes to the vote for the best picture (if there is such a 
>>> thing), I'll be there again.
>>>
>>> So have fun.  Frank
>>>
>>> springer schrieb am Dienstag, 29. Juni 2021 um 20:14:36 UTC+2:
>>>
 With a tip of the hat to IAmDarthMole, I've been thinking for a while 
 that one logo-version that *deserves* to exist is a version that takes 
 that 
 json mobius image posing as a zero, and makes it fit in seamlessly with 
 the 
 other numbers. 

 I like that anyone who knows about the JSON logo will "get it" but 
 others will just see a 3D-typography effect, plus drag-and-drop. As a flat 
 png, it comes in at 19K, less than I feared for a fancy set of bezier 
 curves and gradients.

 I hope IAmDarthMole takes this as a constructive collaboration! I'm 
 happy to split the pile of prize money. :P

 -Springer

 [image: 3D twisted version white.png]

 On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 1:34:57 PM UTC-4 iamdar...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Here a third attempt, *less* small things. Hopefully those that 
> remain won't be *too* obscure/hard to see. I wasn't able to really 
> think of any other way to show "drag and drop"
>
> Author: IAmDarthMole
>
 Name: Drag n Drop JSON
>
> [image: Logo3.png]
>
> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 1:11:31 PM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>>  jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> ... I think there is too much textual content in many of the 
>>> entries. Creating new slogans/taglines for TiddlyWiki is not part of 
>>> the 
>>> brief, and just takes up a lot of space. The artwork is designed to 
>>> break 
>>> the flow of a generally text-heavy site; packing more text into images 
>>> makes things worse. The text that needs to be there 

Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[James Anderson]

I meant @springer, not whoever skinner is :)

On Tuesday, 29 June 2021 at 22:29:33 UTC+1 James Anderson wrote:

> Hi Frank,
>
> I asked skinner to remove the alts, I was just playing on the same idea 
> and didn't want to flood the list of choices.
>
> Thanks,
> James
>
> On Tuesday, 29 June 2021 at 21:03:12 UTC+1 f.brunsb...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> *@springer: *
>> Really cool your last picture ... and now in RGB style like the picture 
>> of James "chroma-b-alt.png"... By the way, 
>> I'm missing some pictures on tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com What's going 
>> on?
>>
>> *@James.W: *Have I mentioned that I like your RGB series? I also like 
>> the spirit of "emoji-field-title.png". 
>> There might be more hints of new features swimming in the background ...
>>
>>
>> My favourites so far are (excluding my pictures) and without ranking:
>>
>>- 3D twisted version white.png (springer)
>>- dark-fields.png (springer)
>>- json-file-icon-semi-alpha.png (Mohammad)
>>- chroma-b-alt.png (James W)
>>- emoji-field-title.png (James W)
>>
>> and even if its shine is slowly fading:
>>
>>- iamdar-1.png (IAmDarthMole)
>>
>>
>> I agree with Jeremy, perhaps such a contest would be useful for an 
>> advertising banner. For a simple release number, the effort is great, 
>> because unfortunately it will soon be replaced again. An advertising 
>> banner, if without a number, can at least be used for longer.
>>
>> A fixed scheme (e.g. logo on the left side, release number on the right 
>> side, colours fixed in advance) and ... instead an advertising banner on 
>> "HelloThere" in the background? I would, I like that.
>>
>> Here for this competition I would have liked something like an end date, 
>> a deadline. Perhaps also a maximum number of inputs.
>> As I see it, the many beautiful pictures, only a small number of people 
>> have created. More outdoor advertising for such actions is needed. This in 
>> turn generates more "word of mouth". More people, more ideas, finished 
>> faster. 
>>
>> I will not post any new pictures now. Not that I don't enjoy it. But I 
>> don't get to do anything else.
>> However, I am happy to accept requests for changes. Also who would like 
>> to have the original files (is SVG) may contact me.
>>
>> When it comes to the vote for the best picture (if there is such a 
>> thing), I'll be there again.
>>
>> So have fun.  Frank
>>
>> springer schrieb am Dienstag, 29. Juni 2021 um 20:14:36 UTC+2:
>>
>>> With a tip of the hat to IAmDarthMole, I've been thinking for a while 
>>> that one logo-version that *deserves* to exist is a version that takes that 
>>> json mobius image posing as a zero, and makes it fit in seamlessly with the 
>>> other numbers. 
>>>
>>> I like that anyone who knows about the JSON logo will "get it" but 
>>> others will just see a 3D-typography effect, plus drag-and-drop. As a flat 
>>> png, it comes in at 19K, less than I feared for a fancy set of bezier 
>>> curves and gradients.
>>>
>>> I hope IAmDarthMole takes this as a constructive collaboration! I'm 
>>> happy to split the pile of prize money. :P
>>>
>>> -Springer
>>>
>>> [image: 3D twisted version white.png]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 1:34:57 PM UTC-4 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Here a third attempt, *less* small things. Hopefully those that remain 
 won't be *too* obscure/hard to see. I wasn't able to really think of 
 any other way to show "drag and drop"

 Author: IAmDarthMole

>>> Name: Drag n Drop JSON

 [image: Logo3.png]

 On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 1:11:31 PM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

>  jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> ... I think there is too much textual content in many of the entries. 
>> Creating new slogans/taglines for TiddlyWiki is not part of the brief, 
>> and 
>> just takes up a lot of space. The artwork is designed to break the flow 
>> of 
>> a generally text-heavy site; packing more text into images makes things 
>> worse. The text that needs to be there is "v5.2.0". 
>>
>
> Totally agree. BUT, also 'v5.2.0'  is a kind of "jump" isn't it? What 
> is I mean is, its slightly potentially more newish, hence the number?
> A word slogan/flag pointing to that might not be so bad?
>
> Just thoughts
> TT
>


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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[springer]

With a tip of the hat to IAmDarthMole, I've been thinking for a while that 
one logo-version that *deserves* to exist is a version that takes that json 
mobius image posing as a zero, and makes it fit in seamlessly with the 
other numbers. 

I like that anyone who knows about the JSON logo will "get it" but others 
will just see a 3D-typography effect, plus drag-and-drop. As a flat png, it 
comes in at 19K, less than I feared for a fancy set of bezier curves and 
gradients.

I hope IAmDarthMole takes this as a constructive collaboration! I'm happy 
to split the pile of prize money. :P

-Springer

[image: 3D twisted version white.png]

On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 1:34:57 PM UTC-4 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:

> Here a third attempt, *less* small things. Hopefully those that remain 
> won't be *too* obscure/hard to see. I wasn't able to really think of any 
> other way to show "drag and drop"
>
> Author: IAmDarthMole
> Name: Drag n Drop JSON
>
> [image: Logo3.png]
>
> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 1:11:31 PM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>>  jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> ... I think there is too much textual content in many of the entries. 
>>> Creating new slogans/taglines for TiddlyWiki is not part of the brief, and 
>>> just takes up a lot of space. The artwork is designed to break the flow of 
>>> a generally text-heavy site; packing more text into images makes things 
>>> worse. The text that needs to be there is "v5.2.0". 
>>>
>>
>> Totally agree. BUT, also 'v5.2.0'  is a kind of "jump" isn't it? What is 
>> I mean is, its slightly potentially more newish, hence the number?
>> A word slogan/flag pointing to that might not be so bad?
>>
>> Just thoughts
>> TT
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[springer]

Jeremy,

I think your diagnosis is spot on: we have a collective surplus of 
enthusiastic creative energy from folks who would like to contribute to 
making TiddlyWiki intuitive, visible, and attractive. 

Those of us who have a deeper toolkit/skillset for graphics than for coding 
are especially eager to step up when there's a call for graphic design. The 
result is a level of detail-wrangling over a banner image that has a 
relatively limited role.

Something like a set of public ads would be a more substantive project. 
Presumably there should be at least something like thematic and stylistic 
coherence (which helps people recognize multiple ads as being about the 
same thing), but there are many possible ways to develop such coherence.

-Springer

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 11:10:18 AM UTC-4 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Springer
>
> One thing I find myself thinking when I look at the entries is that the 
> new release banner is a frustratingly constrained canvas for the creativity 
> that we see here. The purpose of the new release banner is just to brand 
> each released version, so that visitors to tiddlywiki.com can see the 
> version number at a glance in the splash screen and "HelloThere". So 
> really, the only requirement is that it displays the version number 
> clearly, and is visually distinctive from previous banners.
>
> Nonetheless, I think we'll continue to need a new release banner for each 
> version, but I wonder if we might have the bandwidth for another, ongoing 
> competition that gives contributors a bit more to get their teeth into. 
> Instead of posters, perhaps the designs could be banner advertisements of a 
> specified size: we could have fun imagining how we would advertise 
> TiddlyWiki in big media outlets like the New York Times, Instagram, Reddit 
> or Wired.
>
> We could also host the banner ads on tiddlywiki.com in such a way that 
> anyone who wanted to could add an iframe to their site to add a rotating 
> gallery of TiddlyWiki advertisements. (We would obviously do that without 
> any tracking).
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> --
> Jeremy Ruston
> jer...@jermolene.com
> https://jermolene.com
>
> On 28 Jun 2021, at 15:53, springer  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Dear all,
>
> The gallery  is now up to date 
> including James' latest submission with emoji. Of course, multi-submission 
> authors will need to winnow our offerings. 
>
> I'd love to hear more feedback in the spirit of what Télumire offered over 
> the weekend. 
>
> For what it's worth, the images chosen for version banners, up to now, are 
> remarkably heterogeneous -- there's no history of sticking to the fonts 
> used on tiddlywiki.com, nor to any particular palette, and even the 
> TiddlyWiki name was never part of the banner image until 5.1.23 (and 
> invoking a precedent for not using masks seems odd given the heterogeneity 
> of version banners, though I respect individual aesthetic reactions). If 
> there's some emerging consensus around any of these points, then I think 
> we'd all welcome reflections on such things.
>
> There's a delicate balance, in this open-source world between 
> volunteer/amateur enthusiasm and expertise. I love the spirit of this 
> banner image competition, and yet I also recognize that designers (such as 
> Duarte Farrajota Ramos, who won the poster competition 
> ) really do bring skills to the challenge 
> of communicating clearly and efficiently through images.
>
> In this spirit, it's worth reflecting further on the audience for this 
> (and other) TiddlyWiki imagery and publicity. Are we looking for images 
> that will feel accessible to those who know little about TiddlyWiki and its 
> innards, or are we aiming primarily to communicate with those who already 
> recognize JSON or curly brackets as familiar reference-points? 
>
> Both the puzzle-piece logo of 5.1.22 and the modular shape in Atro's 
> 5.1.23 image presuppose no programming-literacy. The JSON file-icon gesture 
> in Mohammad's entry seems to be at the other end of the spectrum: it surely 
> speaks clearly and elegantly to many users who are at home in code, but 
> perhaps at the risk of intimidating someone who is browsing for a free, 
> flexible, publishable and future-proof alternative to bloatware like 
> evernote, and who would be only slowly tempted to peek under the hood (or 
> "bonnet" for you Brits;) ).  
>
> What do you all think?
>
> -Springer
>
> On Saturday, June 26, 2021 at 11:45:11 AM UTC-4 Télumire wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone, here's my honest feedback, I hope it will be useful :
>>
>> springer 
>>  : 
>> love the simplicity of it. ... Color wise, I think it would be best to use 
>> the color palette of the vanilla TW... the font you used too... looks like 
>> it's not the default font used by TW. ... I personally don't like the 
>> masked versions. This makes 

Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Springer

One thing I find myself thinking when I look at the entries is that the new 
release banner is a frustratingly constrained canvas for the creativity that we 
see here. The purpose of the new release banner is just to brand each released 
version, so that visitors to tiddlywiki.com can see the version number at a 
glance in the splash screen and "HelloThere". So really, the only requirement 
is that it displays the version number clearly, and is visually distinctive 
from previous banners.

Nonetheless, I think we'll continue to need a new release banner for each 
version, but I wonder if we might have the bandwidth for another, ongoing 
competition that gives contributors a bit more to get their teeth into. Instead 
of posters, perhaps the designs could be banner advertisements of a specified 
size: we could have fun imagining how we would advertise TiddlyWiki in big 
media outlets like the New York Times, Instagram, Reddit or Wired.

We could also host the banner ads on tiddlywiki.com in such a way that anyone 
who wanted to could add an iframe to their site to add a rotating gallery of 
TiddlyWiki advertisements. (We would obviously do that without any tracking).

Best wishes

Jeremy

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jer...@jermolene.com
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> On 28 Jun 2021, at 15:53, springer  wrote:
> 
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> The gallery is now up to date including James' latest submission with emoji. 
> Of course, multi-submission authors will need to winnow our offerings. 
> 
> I'd love to hear more feedback in the spirit of what Télumire offered over 
> the weekend. 
> 
> For what it's worth, the images chosen for version banners, up to now, are 
> remarkably heterogeneous -- there's no history of sticking to the fonts used 
> on tiddlywiki.com, nor to any particular palette, and even the TiddlyWiki 
> name was never part of the banner image until 5.1.23 (and invoking a 
> precedent for not using masks seems odd given the heterogeneity of version 
> banners, though I respect individual aesthetic reactions). If there's some 
> emerging consensus around any of these points, then I think we'd all welcome 
> reflections on such things.
> 
> There's a delicate balance, in this open-source world between 
> volunteer/amateur enthusiasm and expertise. I love the spirit of this banner 
> image competition, and yet I also recognize that designers (such as Duarte 
> Farrajota Ramos, who won the poster competition) really do bring skills to 
> the challenge of communicating clearly and efficiently through images.
> 
> In this spirit, it's worth reflecting further on the audience for this (and 
> other) TiddlyWiki imagery and publicity. Are we looking for images that will 
> feel accessible to those who know little about TiddlyWiki and its innards, or 
> are we aiming primarily to communicate with those who already recognize JSON 
> or curly brackets as familiar reference-points? 
> 
> Both the puzzle-piece logo of 5.1.22 and the modular shape in Atro's 5.1.23 
> image presuppose no programming-literacy. The JSON file-icon gesture in 
> Mohammad's entry seems to be at the other end of the spectrum: it surely 
> speaks clearly and elegantly to many users who are at home in code, but 
> perhaps at the risk of intimidating someone who is browsing for a free, 
> flexible, publishable and future-proof alternative to bloatware like 
> evernote, and who would be only slowly tempted to peek under the hood (or 
> "bonnet" for you Brits;) ).  
> 
> What do you all think?
> 
> -Springer
> 
>> On Saturday, June 26, 2021 at 11:45:11 AM UTC-4 Télumire wrote:
>> Hi everyone, here's my honest feedback, I hope it will be useful :
>> 
>> springer : love the simplicity of it. ... Color wise, I think it would be 
>> best to use the color palette of the vanilla TW... the font you used too... 
>> looks like it's not the default font used by TW. ... I personally don't like 
>> the masked versions. This makes the logo trapped into a shape, while all the 
>> previous splash screens (that I know of) were either rectangular or open. ...
>> 
 
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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[springer]

Dear all,

The gallery  is now up to date 
including James' latest submission with emoji. Of course, multi-submission 
authors will need to winnow our offerings. 

I'd love to hear more feedback in the spirit of what Télumire offered over 
the weekend. 

For what it's worth, the images chosen for version banners, up to now, are 
remarkably heterogeneous -- there's no history of sticking to the fonts 
used on tiddlywiki.com, nor to any particular palette, and even the 
TiddlyWiki name was never part of the banner image until 5.1.23 (and 
invoking a precedent for not using masks seems odd given the heterogeneity 
of version banners, though I respect individual aesthetic reactions). If 
there's some emerging consensus around any of these points, then I think 
we'd all welcome reflections on such things.

There's a delicate balance, in this open-source world between 
volunteer/amateur enthusiasm and expertise. I love the spirit of this 
banner image competition, and yet I also recognize that designers (such as 
Duarte Farrajota Ramos, who won the poster competition 
) really do bring skills to the challenge 
of communicating clearly and efficiently through images.

In this spirit, it's worth reflecting further on the audience for this (and 
other) TiddlyWiki imagery and publicity. Are we looking for images that 
will feel accessible to those who know little about TiddlyWiki and its 
innards, or are we aiming primarily to communicate with those who already 
recognize JSON or curly brackets as familiar reference-points? 

Both the puzzle-piece logo of 5.1.22 and the modular shape in Atro's 5.1.23 
image presuppose no programming-literacy. The JSON file-icon gesture in 
Mohammad's entry seems to be at the other end of the spectrum: it surely 
speaks clearly and elegantly to many users who are at home in code, but 
perhaps at the risk of intimidating someone who is browsing for a free, 
flexible, publishable and future-proof alternative to bloatware like 
evernote, and who would be only slowly tempted to peek under the hood (or 
"bonnet" for you Brits;) ).  

What do you all think?

-Springer

On Saturday, June 26, 2021 at 11:45:11 AM UTC-4 Télumire wrote:

> Hi everyone, here's my honest feedback, I hope it will be useful :
>
> springer 
>  : 
> love the simplicity of it. ... Color wise, I think it would be best to use 
> the color palette of the vanilla TW... the font you used too... looks like 
> it's not the default font used by TW. ... I personally don't like the 
> masked versions. This makes the logo trapped into a shape, while all the 
> previous splash screens (that I know of) were either rectangular or open. 
> ...
>
>>
>>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[John D]

Hi everyone, here's my honest feedback, I hope it will be useful :

springer
 :
love the simplicity of it. I instantly understood what the update was
about, only thing missing is the drag feature, which I agree with saq
seems too important to be left out. One way around it maybe would be to
"drag and drop the whole image of that logo", adding a mouse cursor at the
edge of it .. this would add a lot of clutter tho. The variation @Mohamed
did, while showing all the main newelty of this update, is too cluttered
IMO. Color wise, I think it would be best to use the color palette of the
vanilla TW, since new users will see TW in the vanilla theme and might
think that the black and white logo is a way to show that now tiddlywiki as
a night mode option. While this is technically true (with the palette),
this is not part of the update so it may be a bit confusing. This goes for
the font you used too, I might be wrong but it looks like it's not the
default font used by TW. The feature slogan is a nifty touch but goes
against the brief. You could left the fields empty, use gibberish text
(lorem ipsum), or use a conceptual approach and use rectangular bars as a
placeholder (something you can see on some website, like when youtube is
loading content). I personally don't like the masked versions. This makes
the logo trapped into a shape, while all the previous splash screens (that
I know of) were either rectangular or open. The mouse cursor suggests that
it's hovering a link, while we see a field in the picture so it's a bit
confusing.
iamdar 
: the fish logo is very cute and the cloud of files is a great way to show
how tiddlers are interconnected. I can't see how this relates to this
particular update though. Maybe the fish could be added by drag and drop at
the center of the files ? It would show how we can now easily add images
inside a wiki, like dropping a fish in a pond. You could even add ripples,
but this may be too much. To be honest, I'm really not a fan of the O of
the version number though, to me it looks like you meshed up two icons
together instead of one. It also makes the numbers a bit less readable.
While it's a cool 3D effect, to my eyes it's jarring next to the flat,
non-shaded style of the fish. I also fail to see how it relates to the
update.

IMO the version with a white background looks better, the fish is a bit
drowned in that blue (no pun intended).Your second proposition, without the
fish, seems a bit better in regard to my previous point (only one logo is
best). Maybe use {} instead of [] to appeal to the json change ? I know
both are used in JSON but the [] looks more like a tiddlywiki link. Again,
not a fan of the 3D look. I do like the dotted line however, it makes it
very clear that the 0 is being dropped. It would be best to use a grab
cursor instead of a pointer, again it looks like we are about to click on a
link instead of drag a picture. I see you corrected it in your 4th
attempt, this looks much better IMO :)

brunsb 
: using brackets is a really good idea to show how tiddlywiki transit to a
json format. However if I understood correctly, this change does not
concern the typical end user that much, and I'm not sure this will be
understood for someone with no coding background. I feel like @jermolene
should clarify that point : who is the targeted audience of that logo ? Do
you want to appeal to new users or to devs ? Back to your design @brunsb :
while I think it's a good idea, I wouldn't put the red triangle. It doesn't
add anything (?) and feels out of place to me.

I like your second design
 a lot
! It is simple, very clear, we see the drag feature, the version
number. Maybe it would be best to not obfuscate the Tiddlywiki name
however. The mouse cursor should be a grab cursor.

Brian Radspinner
 : the
dashed line is a good way to represent the drag feature, I like that !
The overall composition looks a bit rough however. Your third version
 looks
much better, I'm not sure about the orange background tho.

james :
Your logo looks like it implies that TW now has 3D anaglyph capabilities,
sorry I don't get it .. the "breaking things apart and putting them back
together" concept is clever, but the way you represent it with different
colours led me to think that this is about colors, maybe printing ? Also I
fail to see how this modular idea is representative to this update, AFAIK
tiddlywiki always was modular in the sense we could add tiddlers, plugins,
etc easily.

PS : Regarding the change of name, for all 

Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[TiddlyTweeter]

springer wrote *(my emphasis) ...*

>
> [image: fields-arial.png]
>
> Some considerations shaping this submission: 
>
> keeping filesize down (just under 28K as png w alpha; 14K as flat jpg), 
> staying visually "digestible" even at small size (while not overlapping the 
> caption-banner), gesturing towards one exciting new feature (opening up of 
> fieldname options). If our collective impulse is to celebrate 
> drag-and-drop, then I'd offer up the *"minimal oval"* design instead, 
> which includes both feature-gestures. 
>
> I'm not sure how to think about color scheme; it's clearly possible to 
> take nearly any design and adjust to nearly any palette. 
>
> If I were a wizard with svg, I'd try making a version that pulls colors 
> from the active palette. Even if that's not necessary for the official 
> version-release image, given its role at tiddlywiki.com, we all might 
> enjoy a tw image that "rolls" with changes in the palette. (Someone 
> —telmiger? — shared an svg tool that allowed pulling svg details from 
> fields -- that was lots of fun to play with!)
>

Right! Going SVG is ultra-fit for TW as so much of its UI is SVG. 
Here is probably not the right place to discuss this. It needs its own 
thread so it does not interfere with JR's need for a bitmap. 
BUT couple of pointers ...

The helpful Telmiger SVG tool for TW is at: https://tid.li/tw5/apps/svg.html

If you can stand open-ended discussion of the technical side of SVG join my 
discussions with Morosanue about optimizing use of his vast (40,000) SVG 
icon set in TW at: https://github.com/morosanuae/tw-icons/discussions/2

FYI you CAN convert PNG easily to SVG online BUT most of those online tools 
can only detect the SHAPE, not the COLOUR ...
Here is your original I converted to svg quickly online (monochrome 
outcome) ...

[image: test-small-svg-Screenshot 2021-06-26 093459.jpg]

If you wanna discuss details I'm happy to comment in a new thread.

Best wishes
TT 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[springer]

Hello all,

Based on helpful feedback from Josiah, I further tweaked the masked-tw 
image:

[image: fields-arial.png]

Some considerations shaping this submission: 

keeping filesize down (just under 28K as png w alpha; 14K as flat jpg), 
staying visually "digestible" even at small size (while not overlapping the 
caption-banner), gesturing towards one exciting new feature (opening up of 
fieldname options). If our collective impulse is to celebrate 
drag-and-drop, then I'd offer up the "minimal oval" design instead, which 
includes both feature-gestures. 

I'm not sure how to think about color scheme; it's clearly possible to take 
nearly any design and adjust to nearly any palette. 

If I were a wizard with svg, I'd try making a version that pulls colors 
from the active palette. Even if that's not necessary for the official 
version-release image, given its role at tiddlywiki.com, we all might enjoy 
a tw image that "rolls" with changes in the palette. (Someone —telmiger? — 
shared an svg tool that allowed pulling svg details from fields -- that was 
lots of fun to play with!)

-Springer



On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 5:18:19 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Ciao springer
>
> Yeah. It is interesting. I saw it as an arrow and only later saw it as the 
> bottom of "W". :-)
>
> Visually the issue is is you had a band at the bottom that abuts the 
> letters that creates a fictive impression. 
> A small gap under the letters before the bottom-band would likely solve 
> the issue too?
>
> Just a comment
> TT
>
> On Tuesday, 22 June 2021 at 00:00:13 UTC+2 springer wrote:
>
>> TT, it did sot occur to me that the mask on the tv letters could look 
>> like an arrow. Below is a variant that shifts that effect: (at the expense 
>> of somewhat irregular letter-forms)...
>>
>> -Springer
>>
>> [image: dusk-field-alt.png],
>>
>> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 10:51:07 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>> springer wrote:
>>>
 Since it's been a week, it may be worth seeing where things stand with 
 graphic options:

 https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/

>>>
>>> Small comment  on your gallery of 4 ...
>>>
>>> Best
>>> TT
>>>
>>>  [image: Screenshot 2021-06-21 164635.jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao springer

Yeah. It is interesting. I saw it as an arrow and only later saw it as the 
bottom of "W". :-)

Visually the issue is is you had a band at the bottom that abuts the 
letters that creates a fictive impression. 
A small gap under the letters before the bottom-band would likely solve the 
issue too?

Just a comment
TT

On Tuesday, 22 June 2021 at 00:00:13 UTC+2 springer wrote:

> TT, it did sot occur to me that the mask on the tv letters could look like 
> an arrow. Below is a variant that shifts that effect: (at the expense of 
> somewhat irregular letter-forms)...
>
> -Springer
>
> [image: dusk-field-alt.png],
>
> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 10:51:07 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> springer wrote:
>>
>>> Since it's been a week, it may be worth seeing where things stand with 
>>> graphic options:
>>>
>>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/
>>>
>>
>> Small comment  on your gallery of 4 ...
>>
>> Best
>> TT
>>
>>  [image: Screenshot 2021-06-21 164635.jpg]
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[springer]

TT, it did sot occur to me that the mask on the tv letters could look like 
an arrow. Below is a variant that shifts that effect: (at the expense of 
somewhat irregular letter-forms)...

-Springer

[image: dusk-field-alt.png],

On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 10:51:07 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> springer wrote:
>
>> Since it's been a week, it may be worth seeing where things stand with 
>> graphic options:
>>
>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/
>>
>
> Small comment  on your gallery of 4 ...
>
> Best
> TT
>
>  [image: Screenshot 2021-06-21 164635.jpg]
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[James Anderson]

that's the wrong chroma-w, correct one shoud be:
 [image: chroma-w.png]

On Saturday, 19 June 2021 at 11:26:01 UTC+1 James Anderson wrote:

> [image: preview.png]
>
> Move things in from the sides a little and provided some alternatives ont 
> he same theme,
>
> [image: chroma-orig.png]
> [image: chroma-w.png]
> [image: chroma-w-alt.png]
> [image: chroma-b-alt.png]
>
>
> On Friday, 18 June 2021 at 02:00:00 UTC+1 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello all and thank you very much for your considerations and up votes! I 
>> wish to caution though that the when the image is smaller, as it would be 
>> viewed on the tiddlywiki homepage, the fish is much harder to identify. 
>> That was one of the reasons I switched things up in the 3rd/4th attempt.
>>
>> *f.brunsb*, as *Springer* stated it was the last one at the time, the 
>> floating 5.2.0 with the hand holding it that I really liked.
>>
>> I don't feel comfortable pointing out one of my own but if I should/need 
>> to I would say I like my *iamdar-1.png *(Assorted Swedish Tiddlers) the 
>> best (despite my concern about its visibility when smaller) and then 
>> *Logo4.png* (Drag'n'Drop JSON LG) next.
>>
>> I also really like *entw5.png* (Tilted Version) and *entw2.png* (Frank B 
>> #2).
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 8:14:15 PM UTC-4 Brian Radspinner wrote:
>>
>>> springer, if you could replace my first two attempts with the below 
>>> smaller-sized version, I'd appreciate it.[image: 
>>> v5.2.0_banner_brian.png]
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 4:26:25 PM UTC-7 springer wrote:
>>>
 Frank, and all,

 My own sense is that your last entry is the most compelling of your set 
 (and is probably the post to which IAmDarthMole is replying), followed by 
 your #2. 

 Out of IAmDarthMole's submissions, I think (as Frank did, apparently) 
 that the first one (Assorted Swedish Tiddlers) has the most coherence.

 I also love James' RGB image, though it's a bit crowded out to the 
 edges. James, if you would pull everything in just a bit to give the 
 content breathing room, I think it would be a good contender!

 Out of Brian's submissions, I think the second captures something of 
 the drag-and-drop cues better than the first. For some reason, though, the 
 filesize is very large (on both submissions). So I think it would be a 
 better contender if the same idea could fit into a leaner file.

 In my more recent attempts I've been stepping away from including the 
 full "TiddlyWiki" label since (1) including that text is a bit redundant 
 in 
 its use-context, and was not part of the version-number images prior to 
 5.1.23, and (2) even if TiddlyWiki isn't ready to rebrand *now*, it's 
 possible that the conversation will be at a different place by the time we 
 approach the *next* revision... I'm agnostic about what should happen, but 
 I suppose it might be a strong point for a version's graphic banner just 
 to 
 focus on the version number along with whatever feature-hints can show up 
 without getting too busy.

 -Springer
 On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 4:32:41 PM UTC-4 f.brunsb...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi to all artwork fans,
>
> I can support what springer writes. But perhaps we should already 
> agree on a few pictures where changes make sense.
>
> My three favourites so far are (excluding my pictures - these are the 
> best anyway), here without a ranking:
>
>- iamdar-1.png (IAmDarthMole)
>- dark-fields.png (springer)
>- 名称未設定.png (James W)
>
> have a nice night, Frank
>
> PS: @IAmDarthMole: Thanks for the pat on the back but which picture? 
> springer schrieb am Donnerstag, 17. Juni 2021 um 05:09:40 UTC+2:
>
>> Entries -- including through this most recent one submitted by James 
>> -- are all posted for easy comparison at 
>>
>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/
>>
>> Currently I haven't removed any entries except where authors have 
>> withdrawn them or indicated that one image is to replace another. So, 
>> Frank 
>> B currently has 5 entries, and others have 1-3 each. 
>>
>> If anyone has requests in the next couple days (such as "I'd love to 
>> see a variation on this with xyz font or xyz colors), I would be happy 
>> to 
>> give it a go (and am guessing the same holds for many of us who enjoy 
>> this 
>> kind of tinkering).
>>
>> -Springer
>> On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 6:26:59 PM UTC-4 james.w@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> something really basic:
>>>
>>> [image: キャプチャ.PNG]
>>>
>>> [image: 名称未設定.png]
>>>
>>> something about breaking things apart and putting them back together 
>>> :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 16 June 2021 at 22:22:18 UTC+1 

Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Darth Mole]

Hello all and thank you very much for your considerations and up votes! I 
wish to caution though that the when the image is smaller, as it would be 
viewed on the tiddlywiki homepage, the fish is much harder to identify. 
That was one of the reasons I switched things up in the 3rd/4th attempt.

*f.brunsb*, as *Springer* stated it was the last one at the time, the 
floating 5.2.0 with the hand holding it that I really liked.

I don't feel comfortable pointing out one of my own but if I should/need to 
I would say I like my *iamdar-1.png *(Assorted Swedish Tiddlers) the best 
(despite my concern about its visibility when smaller) and then *Logo4.png* 
(Drag'n'Drop JSON LG) next.

I also really like *entw5.png* (Tilted Version) and *entw2.png* (Frank B 
#2).

Thanks!

On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 8:14:15 PM UTC-4 Brian Radspinner wrote:

> springer, if you could replace my first two attempts with the below 
> smaller-sized version, I'd appreciate it.[image: v5.2.0_banner_brian.png]
>
> On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 4:26:25 PM UTC-7 springer wrote:
>
>> Frank, and all,
>>
>> My own sense is that your last entry is the most compelling of your set 
>> (and is probably the post to which IAmDarthMole is replying), followed by 
>> your #2. 
>>
>> Out of IAmDarthMole's submissions, I think (as Frank did, apparently) 
>> that the first one (Assorted Swedish Tiddlers) has the most coherence.
>>
>> I also love James' RGB image, though it's a bit crowded out to the edges. 
>> James, if you would pull everything in just a bit to give the content 
>> breathing room, I think it would be a good contender!
>>
>> Out of Brian's submissions, I think the second captures something of the 
>> drag-and-drop cues better than the first. For some reason, though, the 
>> filesize is very large (on both submissions). So I think it would be a 
>> better contender if the same idea could fit into a leaner file.
>>
>> In my more recent attempts I've been stepping away from including the 
>> full "TiddlyWiki" label since (1) including that text is a bit redundant in 
>> its use-context, and was not part of the version-number images prior to 
>> 5.1.23, and (2) even if TiddlyWiki isn't ready to rebrand *now*, it's 
>> possible that the conversation will be at a different place by the time we 
>> approach the *next* revision... I'm agnostic about what should happen, but 
>> I suppose it might be a strong point for a version's graphic banner just to 
>> focus on the version number along with whatever feature-hints can show up 
>> without getting too busy.
>>
>> -Springer
>> On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 4:32:41 PM UTC-4 f.brunsb...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi to all artwork fans,
>>>
>>> I can support what springer writes. But perhaps we should already agree 
>>> on a few pictures where changes make sense.
>>>
>>> My three favourites so far are (excluding my pictures - these are the 
>>> best anyway), here without a ranking:
>>>
>>>- iamdar-1.png (IAmDarthMole)
>>>- dark-fields.png (springer)
>>>- 名称未設定.png (James W)
>>>
>>> have a nice night, Frank
>>>
>>> PS: @IAmDarthMole: Thanks for the pat on the back but which picture? 
>>> springer schrieb am Donnerstag, 17. Juni 2021 um 05:09:40 UTC+2:
>>>
 Entries -- including through this most recent one submitted by James -- 
 are all posted for easy comparison at 

 https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/

 Currently I haven't removed any entries except where authors have 
 withdrawn them or indicated that one image is to replace another. So, 
 Frank 
 B currently has 5 entries, and others have 1-3 each. 

 If anyone has requests in the next couple days (such as "I'd love to 
 see a variation on this with xyz font or xyz colors), I would be happy to 
 give it a go (and am guessing the same holds for many of us who enjoy this 
 kind of tinkering).

 -Springer
 On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 6:26:59 PM UTC-4 james.w@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> something really basic:
>
> [image: キャプチャ.PNG]
>
> [image: 名称未設定.png]
>
> something about breaking things apart and putting them back together :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, 16 June 2021 at 22:22:18 UTC+1 f.brunsb...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have something more...
>> [image: entw5.png]
>>
>> TiddlyTweeter schrieb am Mittwoch, 16. Juni 2021 um 00:10:22 UTC+2:
>>
>>>  iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Ok, modified 3rd attempt ...
>>>
>>>
 Author: IAmDarthMole
 Name: Drag n Drop JSON LG

 [image: Logo4.png]

>>>
>>> I PERSONALLY THINK that is neat and semantic.
>>> It kinda grasps that 5.2.0 up is a change.
>>> Just saying, TT 
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[springer]

Brian, done!

On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 8:14:15 PM UTC-4 Brian Radspinner wrote:

> springer, if you could replace my first two attempts with the below 
> smaller-sized version, I'd appreciate it.[image: v5.2.0_banner_brian.png]
>
> On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 4:26:25 PM UTC-7 springer wrote:
>
>> Frank, and all,
>>
>> My own sense is that your last entry is the most compelling of your set 
>> (and is probably the post to which IAmDarthMole is replying), followed by 
>> your #2. 
>>
>> Out of IAmDarthMole's submissions, I think (as Frank did, apparently) 
>> that the first one (Assorted Swedish Tiddlers) has the most coherence.
>>
>> I also love James' RGB image, though it's a bit crowded out to the edges. 
>> James, if you would pull everything in just a bit to give the content 
>> breathing room, I think it would be a good contender!
>>
>> Out of Brian's submissions, I think the second captures something of the 
>> drag-and-drop cues better than the first. For some reason, though, the 
>> filesize is very large (on both submissions). So I think it would be a 
>> better contender if the same idea could fit into a leaner file.
>>
>> In my more recent attempts I've been stepping away from including the 
>> full "TiddlyWiki" label since (1) including that text is a bit redundant in 
>> its use-context, and was not part of the version-number images prior to 
>> 5.1.23, and (2) even if TiddlyWiki isn't ready to rebrand *now*, it's 
>> possible that the conversation will be at a different place by the time we 
>> approach the *next* revision... I'm agnostic about what should happen, but 
>> I suppose it might be a strong point for a version's graphic banner just to 
>> focus on the version number along with whatever feature-hints can show up 
>> without getting too busy.
>>
>> -Springer
>> On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 4:32:41 PM UTC-4 f.brunsb...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi to all artwork fans,
>>>
>>> I can support what springer writes. But perhaps we should already agree 
>>> on a few pictures where changes make sense.
>>>
>>> My three favourites so far are (excluding my pictures - these are the 
>>> best anyway), here without a ranking:
>>>
>>>- iamdar-1.png (IAmDarthMole)
>>>- dark-fields.png (springer)
>>>- 名称未設定.png (James W)
>>>
>>> have a nice night, Frank
>>>
>>> PS: @IAmDarthMole: Thanks for the pat on the back but which picture? 
>>> springer schrieb am Donnerstag, 17. Juni 2021 um 05:09:40 UTC+2:
>>>
 Entries -- including through this most recent one submitted by James -- 
 are all posted for easy comparison at 

 https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/

 Currently I haven't removed any entries except where authors have 
 withdrawn them or indicated that one image is to replace another. So, 
 Frank 
 B currently has 5 entries, and others have 1-3 each. 

 If anyone has requests in the next couple days (such as "I'd love to 
 see a variation on this with xyz font or xyz colors), I would be happy to 
 give it a go (and am guessing the same holds for many of us who enjoy this 
 kind of tinkering).

 -Springer
 On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 6:26:59 PM UTC-4 james.w@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> something really basic:
>
> [image: キャプチャ.PNG]
>
> [image: 名称未設定.png]
>
> something about breaking things apart and putting them back together :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, 16 June 2021 at 22:22:18 UTC+1 f.brunsb...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have something more...
>> [image: entw5.png]
>>
>> TiddlyTweeter schrieb am Mittwoch, 16. Juni 2021 um 00:10:22 UTC+2:
>>
>>>  iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Ok, modified 3rd attempt ...
>>>
>>>
 Author: IAmDarthMole
 Name: Drag n Drop JSON LG

 [image: Logo4.png]

>>>
>>> I PERSONALLY THINK that is neat and semantic.
>>> It kinda grasps that 5.2.0 up is a change.
>>> Just saying, TT 
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Brian Radspinner]

springer, if you could replace my first two attempts with the below 
smaller-sized version, I'd appreciate it.[image: v5.2.0_banner_brian.png]

On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 4:26:25 PM UTC-7 springer wrote:

> Frank, and all,
>
> My own sense is that your last entry is the most compelling of your set 
> (and is probably the post to which IAmDarthMole is replying), followed by 
> your #2. 
>
> Out of IAmDarthMole's submissions, I think (as Frank did, apparently) that 
> the first one (Assorted Swedish Tiddlers) has the most coherence.
>
> I also love James' RGB image, though it's a bit crowded out to the edges. 
> James, if you would pull everything in just a bit to give the content 
> breathing room, I think it would be a good contender!
>
> Out of Brian's submissions, I think the second captures something of the 
> drag-and-drop cues better than the first. For some reason, though, the 
> filesize is very large (on both submissions). So I think it would be a 
> better contender if the same idea could fit into a leaner file.
>
> In my more recent attempts I've been stepping away from including the full 
> "TiddlyWiki" label since (1) including that text is a bit redundant in its 
> use-context, and was not part of the version-number images prior to 5.1.23, 
> and (2) even if TiddlyWiki isn't ready to rebrand *now*, it's possible that 
> the conversation will be at a different place by the time we approach the 
> *next* revision... I'm agnostic about what should happen, but I suppose it 
> might be a strong point for a version's graphic banner just to focus on the 
> version number along with whatever feature-hints can show up without 
> getting too busy.
>
> -Springer
> On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 4:32:41 PM UTC-4 f.brunsb...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi to all artwork fans,
>>
>> I can support what springer writes. But perhaps we should already agree 
>> on a few pictures where changes make sense.
>>
>> My three favourites so far are (excluding my pictures - these are the 
>> best anyway), here without a ranking:
>>
>>- iamdar-1.png (IAmDarthMole)
>>- dark-fields.png (springer)
>>- 名称未設定.png (James W)
>>
>> have a nice night, Frank
>>
>> PS: @IAmDarthMole: Thanks for the pat on the back but which picture? 
>> springer schrieb am Donnerstag, 17. Juni 2021 um 05:09:40 UTC+2:
>>
>>> Entries -- including through this most recent one submitted by James -- 
>>> are all posted for easy comparison at 
>>>
>>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/
>>>
>>> Currently I haven't removed any entries except where authors have 
>>> withdrawn them or indicated that one image is to replace another. So, Frank 
>>> B currently has 5 entries, and others have 1-3 each. 
>>>
>>> If anyone has requests in the next couple days (such as "I'd love to see 
>>> a variation on this with xyz font or xyz colors), I would be happy to give 
>>> it a go (and am guessing the same holds for many of us who enjoy this kind 
>>> of tinkering).
>>>
>>> -Springer
>>> On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 6:26:59 PM UTC-4 james.w@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 something really basic:

 [image: キャプチャ.PNG]

 [image: 名称未設定.png]

 something about breaking things apart and putting them back together :)






 On Wednesday, 16 June 2021 at 22:22:18 UTC+1 f.brunsb...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have something more...
> [image: entw5.png]
>
> TiddlyTweeter schrieb am Mittwoch, 16. Juni 2021 um 00:10:22 UTC+2:
>
>>  iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, modified 3rd attempt ...
>>
>>
>>> Author: IAmDarthMole
>>> Name: Drag n Drop JSON LG
>>>
>>> [image: Logo4.png]
>>>
>>
>> I PERSONALLY THINK that is neat and semantic.
>> It kinda grasps that 5.2.0 up is a change.
>> Just saying, TT 
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[springer]

Frank, and all,

My own sense is that your last entry is the most compelling of your set 
(and is probably the post to which IAmDarthMole is replying), followed by 
your #2. 

Out of IAmDarthMole's submissions, I think (as Frank did, apparently) that 
the first one (Assorted Swedish Tiddlers) has the most coherence.

I also love James' RGB image, though it's a bit crowded out to the edges. 
James, if you would pull everything in just a bit to give the content 
breathing room, I think it would be a good contender!

Out of Brian's submissions, I think the second captures something of the 
drag-and-drop cues better than the first. For some reason, though, the 
filesize is very large (on both submissions). So I think it would be a 
better contender if the same idea could fit into a leaner file.

In my more recent attempts I've been stepping away from including the full 
"TiddlyWiki" label since (1) including that text is a bit redundant in its 
use-context, and was not part of the version-number images prior to 5.1.23, 
and (2) even if TiddlyWiki isn't ready to rebrand *now*, it's possible that 
the conversation will be at a different place by the time we approach the 
*next* revision... I'm agnostic about what should happen, but I suppose it 
might be a strong point for a version's graphic banner just to focus on the 
version number along with whatever feature-hints can show up without 
getting too busy.

-Springer
On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 4:32:41 PM UTC-4 f.brunsb...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi to all artwork fans,
>
> I can support what springer writes. But perhaps we should already agree on 
> a few pictures where changes make sense.
>
> My three favourites so far are (excluding my pictures - these are the best 
> anyway), here without a ranking:
>
>- iamdar-1.png (IAmDarthMole)
>- dark-fields.png (springer)
>- 名称未設定.png (James W)
>
> have a nice night, Frank
>
> PS: @IAmDarthMole: Thanks for the pat on the back but which picture? 
> springer schrieb am Donnerstag, 17. Juni 2021 um 05:09:40 UTC+2:
>
>> Entries -- including through this most recent one submitted by James -- 
>> are all posted for easy comparison at 
>>
>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/
>>
>> Currently I haven't removed any entries except where authors have 
>> withdrawn them or indicated that one image is to replace another. So, Frank 
>> B currently has 5 entries, and others have 1-3 each. 
>>
>> If anyone has requests in the next couple days (such as "I'd love to see 
>> a variation on this with xyz font or xyz colors), I would be happy to give 
>> it a go (and am guessing the same holds for many of us who enjoy this kind 
>> of tinkering).
>>
>> -Springer
>> On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 6:26:59 PM UTC-4 james.w@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> something really basic:
>>>
>>> [image: キャプチャ.PNG]
>>>
>>> [image: 名称未設定.png]
>>>
>>> something about breaking things apart and putting them back together :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 16 June 2021 at 22:22:18 UTC+1 f.brunsb...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 I have something more...
 [image: entw5.png]

 TiddlyTweeter schrieb am Mittwoch, 16. Juni 2021 um 00:10:22 UTC+2:

>  iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ok, modified 3rd attempt ...
>
>
>> Author: IAmDarthMole
>> Name: Drag n Drop JSON LG
>>
>> [image: Logo4.png]
>>
>
> I PERSONALLY THINK that is neat and semantic.
> It kinda grasps that 5.2.0 up is a change.
> Just saying, TT 
>


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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Frank Bruns-Ballhausen]

Hi to all artwork fans,

I can support what springer writes. But perhaps we should already agree on 
a few pictures where changes make sense.

My three favourites so far are (excluding my pictures - these are the best 
anyway), here without a ranking:

   - iamdar-1.png (IAmDarthMole)
   - dark-fields.png (springer)
   - 名称未設定.png (James W)

have a nice night, Frank

PS: @IAmDarthMole: Thanks for the pat on the back but which picture? 
springer schrieb am Donnerstag, 17. Juni 2021 um 05:09:40 UTC+2:

> Entries -- including through this most recent one submitted by James -- 
> are all posted for easy comparison at 
>
> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/
>
> Currently I haven't removed any entries except where authors have 
> withdrawn them or indicated that one image is to replace another. So, Frank 
> B currently has 5 entries, and others have 1-3 each. 
>
> If anyone has requests in the next couple days (such as "I'd love to see a 
> variation on this with xyz font or xyz colors), I would be happy to give it 
> a go (and am guessing the same holds for many of us who enjoy this kind of 
> tinkering).
>
> -Springer
> On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 6:26:59 PM UTC-4 james.w@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> something really basic:
>>
>> [image: キャプチャ.PNG]
>>
>> [image: 名称未設定.png]
>>
>> something about breaking things apart and putting them back together :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 16 June 2021 at 22:22:18 UTC+1 f.brunsb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have something more...
>>> [image: entw5.png]
>>>
>>> TiddlyTweeter schrieb am Mittwoch, 16. Juni 2021 um 00:10:22 UTC+2:
>>>
  iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ok, modified 3rd attempt ...


> Author: IAmDarthMole
> Name: Drag n Drop JSON LG
>
> [image: Logo4.png]
>

 I PERSONALLY THINK that is neat and semantic.
 It kinda grasps that 5.2.0 up is a change.
 Just saying, TT 

>>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[springer]

Entries -- including through this most recent one submitted by James -- are 
all posted for easy comparison at 

https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/

Currently I haven't removed any entries except where authors have withdrawn 
them or indicated that one image is to replace another. So, Frank B 
currently has 5 entries, and others have 1-3 each. 

If anyone has requests in the next couple days (such as "I'd love to see a 
variation on this with xyz font or xyz colors), I would be happy to give it 
a go (and am guessing the same holds for many of us who enjoy this kind of 
tinkering).

-Springer
On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 6:26:59 PM UTC-4 james.w@gmail.com wrote:

> something really basic:
>
> [image: キャプチャ.PNG]
>
> [image: 名称未設定.png]
>
> something about breaking things apart and putting them back together :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, 16 June 2021 at 22:22:18 UTC+1 f.brunsb...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have something more...
>> [image: entw5.png]
>>
>> TiddlyTweeter schrieb am Mittwoch, 16. Juni 2021 um 00:10:22 UTC+2:
>>
>>>  iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Ok, modified 3rd attempt ...
>>>
>>>
 Author: IAmDarthMole
 Name: Drag n Drop JSON LG

 [image: Logo4.png]

>>>
>>> I PERSONALLY THINK that is neat and semantic.
>>> It kinda grasps that 5.2.0 up is a change.
>>> Just saying, TT 
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Darth Mole]

I really like that design f.brunsb!

On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 5:22:18 PM UTC-4 f.brunsb...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have something more...
> [image: entw5.png]
>
> TiddlyTweeter schrieb am Mittwoch, 16. Juni 2021 um 00:10:22 UTC+2:
>
>>  iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, modified 3rd attempt ...
>>
>>
>>> Author: IAmDarthMole
>>> Name: Drag n Drop JSON LG
>>>
>>> [image: Logo4.png]
>>>
>>
>> I PERSONALLY THINK that is neat and semantic.
>> It kinda grasps that 5.2.0 up is a change.
>> Just saying, TT 
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[James Anderson]

something really basic:

[image: キャプチャ.PNG]

[image: 名称未設定.png]

something about breaking things apart and putting them back together :)






On Wednesday, 16 June 2021 at 22:22:18 UTC+1 f.brunsb...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have something more...
> [image: entw5.png]
>
> TiddlyTweeter schrieb am Mittwoch, 16. Juni 2021 um 00:10:22 UTC+2:
>
>>  iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, modified 3rd attempt ...
>>
>>
>>> Author: IAmDarthMole
>>> Name: Drag n Drop JSON LG
>>>
>>> [image: Logo4.png]
>>>
>>
>> I PERSONALLY THINK that is neat and semantic.
>> It kinda grasps that 5.2.0 up is a change.
>> Just saying, TT 
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Frank Bruns-Ballhausen]

Hi,

I have something more...
[image: entw5.png]

TiddlyTweeter schrieb am Mittwoch, 16. Juni 2021 um 00:10:22 UTC+2:

>  iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ok, modified 3rd attempt ...
>
>
>> Author: IAmDarthMole
>> Name: Drag n Drop JSON LG
>>
>> [image: Logo4.png]
>>
>
> I PERSONALLY THINK that is neat and semantic.
> It kinda grasps that 5.2.0 up is a change.
> Just saying, TT 
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[TiddlyTweeter]

 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ok, modified 3rd attempt ...
>
> Author: IAmDarthMole
> Name: Drag n Drop JSON LG
>
> [image: Logo4.png]
>

I PERSONALLY THINK that is neat and semantic.
It kinda grasps that 5.2.0 up is a change.
Just saying, TT 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Darth Mole]

Ok, modified 3rd attempt, so technically 4th, with different/larger arrow 
and hand to hopefully be a bit more visible when smaller. Also added a 
border. 

Author: IAmDarthMole
Name: Drag n Drop JSON LG



[image: Logo4.png]

On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 1:34:57 PM UTC-4 Darth Mole wrote:

> Here a third attempt, *less* small things. Hopefully those that remain 
> won't be *too* obscure/hard to see. I wasn't able to really think of any 
> other way to show "drag and drop"
>
> Author: IAmDarthMole
> Name: Drag n Drop JSON
>
> [image: Logo3.png]
>
> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 1:11:31 PM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>>  jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> ... I think there is too much textual content in many of the entries. 
>>> Creating new slogans/taglines for TiddlyWiki is not part of the brief, and 
>>> just takes up a lot of space. The artwork is designed to break the flow of 
>>> a generally text-heavy site; packing more text into images makes things 
>>> worse. The text that needs to be there is "v5.2.0". 
>>>
>>
>> Totally agree. BUT, also 'v5.2.0'  is a kind of "jump" isn't it? What is 
>> I mean is, its slightly potentially more newish, hence the number?
>> A word slogan/flag pointing to that might not be so bad?
>>
>> Just thoughts
>> TT
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Darth Mole]

Here a third attempt, *less* small things. Hopefully those that remain 
won't be *too* obscure/hard to see. I wasn't able to really think of any 
other way to show "drag and drop"

Author: IAmDarthMole
Name: Drag n Drop JSON

[image: Logo3.png]

On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 1:11:31 PM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

>  jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> ... I think there is too much textual content in many of the entries. 
>> Creating new slogans/taglines for TiddlyWiki is not part of the brief, and 
>> just takes up a lot of space. The artwork is designed to break the flow of 
>> a generally text-heavy site; packing more text into images makes things 
>> worse. The text that needs to be there is "v5.2.0". 
>>
>
> Totally agree. BUT, also 'v5.2.0'  is a kind of "jump" isn't it? What is 
> I mean is, its slightly potentially more newish, hence the number?
> A word slogan/flag pointing to that might not be so bad?
>
> Just thoughts
> TT
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[TiddlyTweeter]

 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> ... I think there is too much textual content in many of the entries. 
> Creating new slogans/taglines for TiddlyWiki is not part of the brief, and 
> just takes up a lot of space. The artwork is designed to break the flow of 
> a generally text-heavy site; packing more text into images makes things 
> worse. The text that needs to be there is "v5.2.0". 
>

Totally agree. BUT, also 'v5.2.0'  is a kind of "jump" isn't it? What is I 
mean is, its slightly potentially more newish, hence the number?
A word slogan/flag pointing to that might not be so bad?

Just thoughts
TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[springer]

Mohamed,

My reply to you is a bit late here... I wanted to acknowledge your thoughts 
about adding more graphic hints. In accord with Jeremy's note (posted since 
your message here), I've moved toward minimizing complexity as much as 
possible while hinting at both drag-and-drop and flexible field names. So, 
the hand-cursor has become my compromise for an easily-recognizable 
drag-and-drop clue that doesn't add much to the color palette and 
doesn't feel noisy at small scale.

Certainly, playing with graphics can be a fun rabbit-hole! But I confess I 
need to step away for a bit and get back to my day-job. :) 

-Springer

On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 2:37:38 AM UTC-4 Mohamed Amin wrote:

> Hi springer,
>
> I like your idea a lot, please find below another variation (just a draft 
> , change it as you like) it shows:
> - The emoji field names (as per Jeremy's first post)
> - Drag & Drop mentioned by Saq (text is from the release note)
> - JSON
>
> [image: Selection_15Jun2021_082439.png]
>
> On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 11:33:08 PM UTC+2 springer wrote:
>
>> Frank, I've added your designs to the collection at  
>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/
>>
>> If you'd like to add any descriptive titles, or author name beyond "Frank 
>> B", let me know.
>>
>> -Springer
>>
>> On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 5:21:11 PM UTC-4 f.brunsb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I have four ideas. The first two classic square. The last two with 
>>> alternative borders. 
>>> But I think with a banner underneath the round variant does not look 
>>> good...
>>>
>>> [image: entw1.png] [image: entw2.png]  
>>> [image: entw4.png]  [image: entw3.png]
>>>
>>> mwik...@gmail.com schrieb am Montag, 14. Juni 2021 um 19:43:20 UTC+2:
>>>
 Inspired by Mat, here are my "Dragon Drop" entries on the "field" of a 
 shield : ] 

 I am no artist but it is fun to share and practice my Inkscape skills 
 and hopefully inspire someone with more talent than me. SVGs are available 
 to anyone who wants them.

 /Mike

 On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 10:28:41 AM UTC-3 Mat wrote:

> Or perhaps a water drop and a fire-breathing giant reptile ("Dragon 
>> Drop")
>>
>
> Yeah! Or a dragon 
> spouting
>  
> water/drops! Just above the TiddlyWiki: 5.2.0 field thingy. That would 
> make 
> for a really cool and odd art work.
> *And it is even a super cool version name: "Dragon Drop"! *(even if, 
> admittedly, the drag'n drop we are discussing here is limited. It would 
> be 
> an even more suitable name for if tiddlers were freely movable)
>
> <:-)
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[springer]

Jeremy and all,

Apologies for starting the trend by cramming something like a 
feature-slogan into a caption field!

In addition, I recall that reducing file size, of anything that's bound to 
be handled frequently by servers, is a good aim. In the "dynamic table of 
images" 
 you 
can see the file size for images.

I've removed my "busy" entries from the contest HelloThere tiddler 
, and swapped in some 
more minimal ones, such as the one below (though I'm still troubleshooting 
why I'm not achieving smaller sizes in png versions):

-Springer

[image: hand-oval.png]

On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 3:47:53 AM UTC-4 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you to everyone for the entries so far. I always enjoy these 
> competitions, and I appreciate the effort everyone puts into their designs. 
> And I love the spirit of cooperation and friendly competition.
>
> I would like to make a couple of small steers that might improve the 
> results:
>
> First, I think many of the entries are a bit too complex. Have a look at 
> tiddlywiki.com and check how small the artwork is displayed, particularly 
> on mobile: you'll see it in the splash screen, and in the HelloThere 
> tiddler. Many of the designs this time around have too much detail for an 
> icon of this size. Have a look at the other artwork badges to see how 
> simple they are in comparison to some of the entries here.
>
> Second, I think there is too much textual content in many of the entries. 
> Creating new slogans/taglines for TiddlyWiki is not part of the brief, and 
> just takes up a lot of space. The artwork is designed to break the flow of 
> a generally text-heavy site; packing more text into images makes things 
> worse. The text that needs to be there is "v5.2.0". Adding "TiddlyWiki" is 
> reasonable for the splash screen, but unnecessary within the HelloThere 
> tiddler, so I would recommend that if you include the word it be smaller 
> than the version number.
>
> Third, I would suggest being very careful with visual puns. While they can 
> be funny for the creator, they are often baffling for casual observers. 
> This is an inclusive, broad community, and so we should aim to communicate 
> clearly.
>
> The core of the brief is to make a visual representation of the new 
> release that includes the letters "v5.2.0". Next time, I'll take care to 
> raise these points in the original post. 
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> --
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> jer...@jermolene.com
> https://jermolene.com
>
> On 15 Jun 2021, at 08:29, Jon  wrote:
>
> I agree with Mohammad about the name change at some point . Apart from the 
> wiki aspect, I think the diminutive associations of 'tiddly'  (and I know 
> this bit has been discussed before)  are also in opposition to the grand 
> scale of what TW can do.
>
> Regards
> Jon
>
> On Tuesday, 15 June 2021 at 07:57:21 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 7:51 PM springer  wrote:
>>
>>> Mohammad,
>>
>>
>> Hi Springer,
>>
>> Many thanks for all your efforts!
>>
>> @all
>> WOW, very exciting! I am really happy to see such an active community! I 
>> love you TiddlyWiki!
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>>
>> @Jeremy Ruston 
>> It would be great if you could decide on the name when you move from 5.1 
>> to 5.2
>> at least I suggest using TW, or TW Platform, or TW framework,  instead of 
>> Tiddlywiki! Tiddlywiki is MuCh MoRe ThAn a wiki!
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>>
>>> All good suggestions! Though I usually don't embed images (and don't 
>>> think tiddlyhost has file directories for such), these images are small, 
>>> and presumably visitors would want to load them all anyway. So I've 
>>> embedded each entry so far, and also set up an overview of the final 
>>> entries from the 5.1.23 contest for inspiration and some sense of 
>>> continuity:
>>>
>>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 11:47:50 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:
>>>
 Hi Springer!

 I love your artwork! very nice!

 Minor comments:
 1. Why not host the image on 
 https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields and why 
 use dropbox?
 2. I remember you have hosted artworks for 5.1.23, it is good to see 
 them on https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields
 3. It is good to have 
 https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields for past 
 and future artworks competitions all in one place this not only archive 
 all 
 previous efforts but also give ideas to other contributors



 Best wishes
 Mohammad

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Michael Wiktowy]

Understood and agree, Jeremy.

I officially withdraw my submissions to avoid cluttering the vote but the 
SVG is available here under CC0 for anyone who wants to reuse it elsewhere:
https://sextant.space/#Dragon%20Drop%20Shield.svg

/Mike
On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 4:47:53 AM UTC-3 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you to everyone for the entries so far. I always enjoy these 
> competitions, and I appreciate the effort everyone puts into their designs. 
> And I love the spirit of cooperation and friendly competition.
>
> I would like to make a couple of small steers that might improve the 
> results:
>
> First, I think many of the entries are a bit too complex. Have a look at 
> tiddlywiki.com and check how small the artwork is displayed, particularly 
> on mobile: you'll see it in the splash screen, and in the HelloThere 
> tiddler. Many of the designs this time around have too much detail for an 
> icon of this size. Have a look at the other artwork badges to see how 
> simple they are in comparison to some of the entries here.
>
> Second, I think there is too much textual content in many of the entries. 
> Creating new slogans/taglines for TiddlyWiki is not part of the brief, and 
> just takes up a lot of space. The artwork is designed to break the flow of 
> a generally text-heavy site; packing more text into images makes things 
> worse. The text that needs to be there is "v5.2.0". Adding "TiddlyWiki" is 
> reasonable for the splash screen, but unnecessary within the HelloThere 
> tiddler, so I would recommend that if you include the word it be smaller 
> than the version number.
>
> Third, I would suggest being very careful with visual puns. While they can 
> be funny for the creator, they are often baffling for casual observers. 
> This is an inclusive, broad community, and so we should aim to communicate 
> clearly.
>
> The core of the brief is to make a visual representation of the new 
> release that includes the letters "v5.2.0". Next time, I'll take care to 
> raise these points in the original post. 
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> --
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> jer...@jermolene.com
> https://jermolene.com
>
> On 15 Jun 2021, at 08:29, Jon  wrote:
>
> I agree with Mohammad about the name change at some point . Apart from the 
> wiki aspect, I think the diminutive associations of 'tiddly'  (and I know 
> this bit has been discussed before)  are also in opposition to the grand 
> scale of what TW can do.
>
> Regards
> Jon
>
> On Tuesday, 15 June 2021 at 07:57:21 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 7:51 PM springer  wrote:
>>
>>> Mohammad,
>>
>>
>> Hi Springer,
>>
>> Many thanks for all your efforts!
>>
>> @all
>> WOW, very exciting! I am really happy to see such an active community! I 
>> love you TiddlyWiki!
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>>
>> @Jeremy Ruston 
>> It would be great if you could decide on the name when you move from 5.1 
>> to 5.2
>> at least I suggest using TW, or TW Platform, or TW framework,  instead of 
>> Tiddlywiki! Tiddlywiki is MuCh MoRe ThAn a wiki!
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>>
>>> All good suggestions! Though I usually don't embed images (and don't 
>>> think tiddlyhost has file directories for such), these images are small, 
>>> and presumably visitors would want to load them all anyway. So I've 
>>> embedded each entry so far, and also set up an overview of the final 
>>> entries from the 5.1.23 contest for inspiration and some sense of 
>>> continuity:
>>>
>>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 11:47:50 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:
>>>
 Hi Springer!

 I love your artwork! very nice!

 Minor comments:
 1. Why not host the image on 
 https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields and why 
 use dropbox?
 2. I remember you have hosted artworks for 5.1.23, it is good to see 
 them on https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields
 3. It is good to have 
 https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields for past 
 and future artworks competitions all in one place this not only archive 
 all 
 previous efforts but also give ideas to other contributors



 Best wishes
 Mohammad

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Jeremy Ruston]

Thank you to everyone for the entries so far. I always enjoy these 
competitions, and I appreciate the effort everyone puts into their designs. And 
I love the spirit of cooperation and friendly competition.

I would like to make a couple of small steers that might improve the results:

First, I think many of the entries are a bit too complex. Have a look at 
tiddlywiki.com and check how small the artwork is displayed, particularly on 
mobile: you'll see it in the splash screen, and in the HelloThere tiddler. Many 
of the designs this time around have too much detail for an icon of this size. 
Have a look at the other artwork badges to see how simple they are in 
comparison to some of the entries here.

Second, I think there is too much textual content in many of the entries. 
Creating new slogans/taglines for TiddlyWiki is not part of the brief, and just 
takes up a lot of space. The artwork is designed to break the flow of a 
generally text-heavy site; packing more text into images makes things worse. 
The text that needs to be there is "v5.2.0". Adding "TiddlyWiki" is reasonable 
for the splash screen, but unnecessary within the HelloThere tiddler, so I 
would recommend that if you include the word it be smaller than the version 
number.

Third, I would suggest being very careful with visual puns. While they can be 
funny for the creator, they are often baffling for casual observers. This is an 
inclusive, broad community, and so we should aim to communicate clearly.

The core of the brief is to make a visual representation of the new release 
that includes the letters "v5.2.0". Next time, I'll take care to raise these 
points in the original post. 

Best wishes

Jeremy



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> On 15 Jun 2021, at 08:29, Jon  wrote:
> I agree with Mohammad about the name change at some point . Apart from the 
> wiki aspect, I think the diminutive associations of 'tiddly'  (and I know 
> this bit has been discussed before)  are also in opposition to the grand 
> scale of what TW can do.
> 
> Regards
> Jon
> 
>> On Tuesday, 15 June 2021 at 07:57:21 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 7:51 PM springer  wrote:
>>> Mohammad,
>> 
>> Hi Springer,
>> 
>> Many thanks for all your efforts!
>> 
>> @all
>> WOW, very exciting! I am really happy to see such an active community! I 
>> love you TiddlyWiki!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> @Jeremy Ruston 
>> It would be great if you could decide on the name when you move from 5.1 to 
>> 5.2
>> at least I suggest using TW, or TW Platform, or TW framework,  instead of 
>> Tiddlywiki! Tiddlywiki is MuCh MoRe ThAn a wiki!
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> All good suggestions! Though I usually don't embed images (and don't think 
>>> tiddlyhost has file directories for such), these images are small, and 
>>> presumably visitors would want to load them all anyway. So I've embedded 
>>> each entry so far, and also set up an overview of the final entries from 
>>> the 5.1.23 contest for inspiration and some sense of continuity:
>>> 
>>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/
>>> 
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 11:47:50 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:
> Hi Springer!
> 
> I love your artwork! very nice!
> 
> Minor comments:
> 1. Why not host the image on 
> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields and why use 
> dropbox?
> 2. I remember you have hosted artworks for 5.1.23, it is good to see them 
> on https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields
> 3. It is good to have 
> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields for past and 
> future artworks competitions all in one place this not only archive all 
> previous efforts but also give ideas to other contributors
> 
> 
> 
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Jon]

I agree with Mohammad about the name change at some point . Apart from the 
wiki aspect, I think the diminutive associations of 'tiddly'  (and I know 
this bit has been discussed before)  are also in opposition to the grand 
scale of what TW can do.

Regards
Jon

On Tuesday, 15 June 2021 at 07:57:21 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 7:51 PM springer  wrote:
>
>> Mohammad,
>
>
> Hi Springer,
>
> Many thanks for all your efforts!
>
> @all
> WOW, very exciting! I am really happy to see such an active community! I 
> love you TiddlyWiki!
>
> [image: image.png]
>
>
> @Jeremy Ruston 
> It would be great if you could decide on the name when you move from 5.1 
> to 5.2
> at least I suggest using TW, or TW Platform, or TW framework,  instead of 
> Tiddlywiki! Tiddlywiki is MuCh MoRe ThAn a wiki!
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
>> All good suggestions! Though I usually don't embed images (and don't 
>> think tiddlyhost has file directories for such), these images are small, 
>> and presumably visitors would want to load them all anyway. So I've 
>> embedded each entry so far, and also set up an overview of the final 
>> entries from the 5.1.23 contest for inspiration and some sense of 
>> continuity:
>>
>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/
>>
>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 11:47:50 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Springer!
>>>
>>> I love your artwork! very nice!
>>>
>>> Minor comments:
>>> 1. Why not host the image on 
>>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields and why use 
>>> dropbox?
>>> 2. I remember you have hosted artworks for 5.1.23, it is good to see 
>>> them on https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields
>>> 3. It is good to have 
>>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields for past 
>>> and future artworks competitions all in one place this not only archive all 
>>> previous efforts but also give ideas to other contributors
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[springer]

Frank, I've added your designs to the collection at  
https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/

If you'd like to add any descriptive titles, or author name beyond "Frank 
B", let me know.

-Springer

On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 5:21:11 PM UTC-4 f.brunsb...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have four ideas. The first two classic square. The last two with 
> alternative borders. 
> But I think with a banner underneath the round variant does not look 
> good...
>
> [image: entw1.png] [image: entw2.png]  
> [image: entw4.png]  [image: entw3.png]
>
> mwik...@gmail.com schrieb am Montag, 14. Juni 2021 um 19:43:20 UTC+2:
>
>> Inspired by Mat, here are my "Dragon Drop" entries on the "field" of a 
>> shield : ] 
>>
>> I am no artist but it is fun to share and practice my Inkscape skills and 
>> hopefully inspire someone with more talent than me. SVGs are available to 
>> anyone who wants them.
>>
>> /Mike
>>
>> On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 10:28:41 AM UTC-3 Mat wrote:
>>
>>> Or perhaps a water drop and a fire-breathing giant reptile ("Dragon 
 Drop")

>>>
>>> Yeah! Or a dragon 
>>> spouting
>>>  
>>> water/drops! Just above the TiddlyWiki: 5.2.0 field thingy. That would make 
>>> for a really cool and odd art work.
>>> *And it is even a super cool version name: "Dragon Drop"! *(even if, 
>>> admittedly, the drag'n drop we are discussing here is limited. It would be 
>>> an even more suitable name for if tiddlers were freely movable)
>>>
>>> <:-)
>>>
>>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Darth Mole]

Hello Springer and thank you for handling the entries. Please see below for 
my details.

First Entry-
Name: Assorted Swedish Tiddlers (like the Swedish Fish candy)
Author: IAmDarthMole

Second Entry-
Name: Assorted Swedish Tiddler Fields (original I know)
Author: IAmDarthMole

If I enter anymore I'll be sure to include the name and my name :)

Thanks again!

On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 11:21:38 AM UTC-4 springer wrote:

> Mohammad,
>
> All good suggestions! Though I usually don't embed images (and don't think 
> tiddlyhost has file directories for such), these images are small, and 
> presumably visitors would want to load them all anyway. So I've embedded 
> each entry so far, and also set up an overview of the final entries from 
> the 5.1.23 contest for inspiration and some sense of continuity:
>
> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/
>
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 11:47:50 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> Hi Springer!
>>
>> I love your artwork! very nice!
>>
>> Minor comments:
>> 1. Why not host the image on 
>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields and why use 
>> dropbox?
>> 2. I remember you have hosted artworks for 5.1.23, it is good to see them 
>> on https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields
>> 3. It is good to have 
>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields for past and 
>> future artworks competitions all in one place this not only archive all 
>> previous efforts but also give ideas to other contributors
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[springer]

Mohammad,

All good suggestions! Though I usually don't embed images (and don't think 
tiddlyhost has file directories for such), these images are small, and 
presumably visitors would want to load them all anyway. So I've embedded 
each entry so far, and also set up an overview of the final entries from 
the 5.1.23 contest for inspiration and some sense of continuity:

https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 11:47:50 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:

> Hi Springer!
>
> I love your artwork! very nice!
>
> Minor comments:
> 1. Why not host the image on 
> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields and why use 
> dropbox?
> 2. I remember you have hosted artworks for 5.1.23, it is good to see them 
> on https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields
> 3. It is good to have 
> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields for past and 
> future artworks competitions all in one place this not only archive all 
> previous efforts but also give ideas to other contributors
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[springer]

iamdar..., and all,

I'm sorry I don't know how to attribute an author name to your entries. 

For anyone who posts entries here, it would be helpful to include (1) how 
you'd ilke your authorname to appear, and (2) name of entry.

I'll try to keep an eye out and update the site with entries, as they're 
shared here, at https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/

-Springer

On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 2:02:10 AM UTC-4 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:

> Here is another attempt based on what I read regarding a focus on fields.
>
> [image: Logo2.png]
>
> On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 12:43:30 AM UTC-4 Darth Mole wrote:
>
>> One of my attempts so far. Hope it isn't too off the mark!
>>
>> [image: Logo1.png]
>>
>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 11:47:50 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Springer!
>>>
>>> I love your artwork! very nice!
>>>
>>> Minor comments:
>>> 1. Why not host the image on 
>>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields and why use 
>>> dropbox?
>>> 2. I remember you have hosted artworks for 5.1.23, it is good to see 
>>> them on https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields
>>> 3. It is good to have 
>>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields for past 
>>> and future artworks competitions all in one place this not only archive all 
>>> previous efforts but also give ideas to other contributors
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 1:02 AM springer  wrote:
>>>
 Here's a hasty concept-logo to kick things off, also visible at site: 
 https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields

 [image: unleash_your_fields.jpg]

 On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 4:13:44 PM UTC-4 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Mat
>
> The artwork needs to show "v5.2.0" (including the "v"!), because there 
> will  be a "v5.2.1" at some point, potentially quite soon, and it's 
> important for everybody to be able to unambiguously distinguish the 
> versions. Stated another way, this is not version '5.2', this is version 
> '5.2.0'.
>
> I'd also say that perhaps designs based on the shapes of the letters 
> might be a bit generic. I think the opportunity is to try to capture what 
> is in the release, not just the string of numbers we use to refer to it.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
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> On 13 Jun 2021, at 20:02, Mat  wrote:
>
> Oooh I just got two cool ideas! Anyone skilled, feel free to create:
>
> First depends on if it is OK with "5.2" (see my previous 
> question). Those two digits have a very similar shape! I think it should 
> be 
> possible to make some kind of mirror reflection to have one show the 
> other. 
>
> Second idea uses that new feature with freely named fields. So the 
> design idea is to simply make the string "TiddlyWiki 5.2.0" as a field! 
> E.g 
> the "TiddlyWiki 5" as the field name and the "2.0" as the field value. 
> Should the garbage can that deletes the field be next to it?... 
>
> <:-)
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 8:08:15 PM UTC+2 Mat wrote:
>
>> Freely naming of fields will be fantastic! It will give fields a much 
>> more prominent position because they can be used directly as connections 
>> to 
>> actual tiddlers. Great progress!
>>
>> @Jeremy can the artwork treat the version number as 5.2 (i.e without 
>> .0 at end)? I don't have a particular idea but I imagine it will be 
>> easier 
>> to come up with ideas for fewer digits.
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 1:14:17 PM UTC+2 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>>> This is to announce our regular competition for the artwork for the 
>>> next release of TiddlyWiki 5. The next release is planned to be called 
>>> v5.2.0, which requires a little explanation.
>>>
>>> We've bumped the minor version number because of a single very 
>>> important change: for the first time in a decade, we're changing the 
>>> format 
>>> used to encode tiddlers into the HTML file.
>>>
>>> The new format is based on JSON, making it much easier to develop 
>>> tools that produce or consume TW5 standalone HTML files. While there is 
>>> some limited backwards compatibility, the developers of many existing 
>>> tools 
>>> will need to make modifications to keep things working with v5.2.0.
>>>
>>> Hence the version number change: it's intended to make every 
>>> developer ask "Gosh, what could have changed to warrant such a big 
>>> jump", 
>>> and helps us to make sure that the news of the change is promulgated as 
>>> widely and prominently as possible.
>>>
>>> The change also brings one big improvement for all users: field 
>>> names now have no restrictions on which characters 

Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Mat]

>
> Or perhaps a water drop and a fire-breathing giant reptile ("Dragon Drop")
>

Yeah! Or a dragon 
spouting
 
water/drops! Just above the TiddlyWiki: 5.2.0 field thingy. That would make 
for a really cool and odd art work.
*And it is even a super cool version name: "Dragon Drop"! *(even if, 
admittedly, the drag'n drop we are discussing here is limited. It would be 
an even more suitable name for if tiddlers were freely movable)

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Eric Shulman]

On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 12:37:25 AM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:

> Folks if Drag and Drop ia a key feature then what about a water drop and 
> someone in drag?


Or perhaps a water drop and a fire-breathing giant reptile ("Dragon Drop")

-e

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[TW Tones]

Folks if Drag and Drop ia a key feature then what about a water drop and 
someone in drag?

:)

Tones

On Monday, 14 June 2021 at 16:02:10 UTC+10 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:

> Here is another attempt based on what I read regarding a focus on fields.
>
> [image: Logo2.png]
>
> On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 12:43:30 AM UTC-4 Darth Mole wrote:
>
>> One of my attempts so far. Hope it isn't too off the mark!
>>
>> [image: Logo1.png]
>>
>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 11:47:50 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Springer!
>>>
>>> I love your artwork! very nice!
>>>
>>> Minor comments:
>>> 1. Why not host the image on 
>>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields and why use 
>>> dropbox?
>>> 2. I remember you have hosted artworks for 5.1.23, it is good to see 
>>> them on https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields
>>> 3. It is good to have 
>>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields for past 
>>> and future artworks competitions all in one place this not only archive all 
>>> previous efforts but also give ideas to other contributors
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 1:02 AM springer  wrote:
>>>
 Here's a hasty concept-logo to kick things off, also visible at site: 
 https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields

 [image: unleash_your_fields.jpg]

 On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 4:13:44 PM UTC-4 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Mat
>
> The artwork needs to show "v5.2.0" (including the "v"!), because there 
> will  be a "v5.2.1" at some point, potentially quite soon, and it's 
> important for everybody to be able to unambiguously distinguish the 
> versions. Stated another way, this is not version '5.2', this is version 
> '5.2.0'.
>
> I'd also say that perhaps designs based on the shapes of the letters 
> might be a bit generic. I think the opportunity is to try to capture what 
> is in the release, not just the string of numbers we use to refer to it.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
> --
> Jeremy Ruston
> jer...@jermolene.com
> https://jermolene.com
>
> On 13 Jun 2021, at 20:02, Mat  wrote:
>
> Oooh I just got two cool ideas! Anyone skilled, feel free to create:
>
> First depends on if it is OK with "5.2" (see my previous 
> question). Those two digits have a very similar shape! I think it should 
> be 
> possible to make some kind of mirror reflection to have one show the 
> other. 
>
> Second idea uses that new feature with freely named fields. So the 
> design idea is to simply make the string "TiddlyWiki 5.2.0" as a field! 
> E.g 
> the "TiddlyWiki 5" as the field name and the "2.0" as the field value. 
> Should the garbage can that deletes the field be next to it?... 
>
> <:-)
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 8:08:15 PM UTC+2 Mat wrote:
>
>> Freely naming of fields will be fantastic! It will give fields a much 
>> more prominent position because they can be used directly as connections 
>> to 
>> actual tiddlers. Great progress!
>>
>> @Jeremy can the artwork treat the version number as 5.2 (i.e without 
>> .0 at end)? I don't have a particular idea but I imagine it will be 
>> easier 
>> to come up with ideas for fewer digits.
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 1:14:17 PM UTC+2 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>>> This is to announce our regular competition for the artwork for the 
>>> next release of TiddlyWiki 5. The next release is planned to be called 
>>> v5.2.0, which requires a little explanation.
>>>
>>> We've bumped the minor version number because of a single very 
>>> important change: for the first time in a decade, we're changing the 
>>> format 
>>> used to encode tiddlers into the HTML file.
>>>
>>> The new format is based on JSON, making it much easier to develop 
>>> tools that produce or consume TW5 standalone HTML files. While there is 
>>> some limited backwards compatibility, the developers of many existing 
>>> tools 
>>> will need to make modifications to keep things working with v5.2.0.
>>>
>>> Hence the version number change: it's intended to make every 
>>> developer ask "Gosh, what could have changed to warrant such a big 
>>> jump", 
>>> and helps us to make sure that the news of the change is promulgated as 
>>> widely and prominently as possible.
>>>
>>> The change also brings one big improvement for all users: field 
>>> names now have no restrictions on which characters can be used, and are 
>>> case-sensitive so that "MyField" is a valid fieldname, and refers to a 
>>> different field than "myfield" (just like tiddler titles). Finally, we 
>>> can 
>>> have fields called "⛄️".
>>>
>>> These changes will be merged 

Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Darth Mole]

Here is another attempt based on what I read regarding a focus on fields.

[image: Logo2.png]

On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 12:43:30 AM UTC-4 Darth Mole wrote:

> One of my attempts so far. Hope it isn't too off the mark!
>
> [image: Logo1.png]
>
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 11:47:50 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> Hi Springer!
>>
>> I love your artwork! very nice!
>>
>> Minor comments:
>> 1. Why not host the image on 
>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields and why use 
>> dropbox?
>> 2. I remember you have hosted artworks for 5.1.23, it is good to see them 
>> on https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields
>> 3. It is good to have 
>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields for past and 
>> future artworks competitions all in one place this not only archive all 
>> previous efforts but also give ideas to other contributors
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 1:02 AM springer  wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a hasty concept-logo to kick things off, also visible at site: 
>>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields
>>>
>>> [image: unleash_your_fields.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 4:13:44 PM UTC-4 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi Mat

 The artwork needs to show "v5.2.0" (including the "v"!), because there 
 will  be a "v5.2.1" at some point, potentially quite soon, and it's 
 important for everybody to be able to unambiguously distinguish the 
 versions. Stated another way, this is not version '5.2', this is version 
 '5.2.0'.

 I'd also say that perhaps designs based on the shapes of the letters 
 might be a bit generic. I think the opportunity is to try to capture what 
 is in the release, not just the string of numbers we use to refer to it.

 Best wishes

 Jeremy.


 --
 Jeremy Ruston
 jer...@jermolene.com
 https://jermolene.com

 On 13 Jun 2021, at 20:02, Mat  wrote:

 Oooh I just got two cool ideas! Anyone skilled, feel free to create:

 First depends on if it is OK with "5.2" (see my previous 
 question). Those two digits have a very similar shape! I think it should 
 be 
 possible to make some kind of mirror reflection to have one show the 
 other. 

 Second idea uses that new feature with freely named fields. So the 
 design idea is to simply make the string "TiddlyWiki 5.2.0" as a field! 
 E.g 
 the "TiddlyWiki 5" as the field name and the "2.0" as the field value. 
 Should the garbage can that deletes the field be next to it?... 

 <:-)
 On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 8:08:15 PM UTC+2 Mat wrote:

> Freely naming of fields will be fantastic! It will give fields a much 
> more prominent position because they can be used directly as connections 
> to 
> actual tiddlers. Great progress!
>
> @Jeremy can the artwork treat the version number as 5.2 (i.e without 
> .0 at end)? I don't have a particular idea but I imagine it will be 
> easier 
> to come up with ideas for fewer digits.
>
> <:-)
>
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 1:14:17 PM UTC+2 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
>> This is to announce our regular competition for the artwork for the 
>> next release of TiddlyWiki 5. The next release is planned to be called 
>> v5.2.0, which requires a little explanation.
>>
>> We've bumped the minor version number because of a single very 
>> important change: for the first time in a decade, we're changing the 
>> format 
>> used to encode tiddlers into the HTML file.
>>
>> The new format is based on JSON, making it much easier to develop 
>> tools that produce or consume TW5 standalone HTML files. While there is 
>> some limited backwards compatibility, the developers of many existing 
>> tools 
>> will need to make modifications to keep things working with v5.2.0.
>>
>> Hence the version number change: it's intended to make every 
>> developer ask "Gosh, what could have changed to warrant such a big 
>> jump", 
>> and helps us to make sure that the news of the change is promulgated as 
>> widely and prominently as possible.
>>
>> The change also brings one big improvement for all users: field names 
>> now have no restrictions on which characters can be used, and are 
>> case-sensitive so that "MyField" is a valid fieldname, and refers to a 
>> different field than "myfield" (just like tiddler titles). Finally, we 
>> can 
>> have fields called "⛄️".
>>
>> These changes will be merged shortly, but in the meantime can be 
>> inspected here:
>>
>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/5708
>>
>> So, with that, back to the artwork competition. The task is to design 
>> the banner image that is shown on the splash screen and within the 
>> opening 

Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Darth Mole]

One of my attempts so far. Hope it isn't too off the mark!

[image: Logo1.png]

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 11:47:50 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:

> Hi Springer!
>
> I love your artwork! very nice!
>
> Minor comments:
> 1. Why not host the image on 
> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields and why use 
> dropbox?
> 2. I remember you have hosted artworks for 5.1.23, it is good to see them 
> on https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields
> 3. It is good to have 
> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields for past and 
> future artworks competitions all in one place this not only archive all 
> previous efforts but also give ideas to other contributors
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 1:02 AM springer  wrote:
>
>> Here's a hasty concept-logo to kick things off, also visible at site: 
>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields
>>
>> [image: unleash_your_fields.jpg]
>>
>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 4:13:44 PM UTC-4 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mat
>>>
>>> The artwork needs to show "v5.2.0" (including the "v"!), because there 
>>> will  be a "v5.2.1" at some point, potentially quite soon, and it's 
>>> important for everybody to be able to unambiguously distinguish the 
>>> versions. Stated another way, this is not version '5.2', this is version 
>>> '5.2.0'.
>>>
>>> I'd also say that perhaps designs based on the shapes of the letters 
>>> might be a bit generic. I think the opportunity is to try to capture what 
>>> is in the release, not just the string of numbers we use to refer to it.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jeremy Ruston
>>> jer...@jermolene.com
>>> https://jermolene.com
>>>
>>> On 13 Jun 2021, at 20:02, Mat  wrote:
>>>
>>> Oooh I just got two cool ideas! Anyone skilled, feel free to create:
>>>
>>> First depends on if it is OK with "5.2" (see my previous 
>>> question). Those two digits have a very similar shape! I think it should be 
>>> possible to make some kind of mirror reflection to have one show the other. 
>>>
>>> Second idea uses that new feature with freely named fields. So the 
>>> design idea is to simply make the string "TiddlyWiki 5.2.0" as a field! E.g 
>>> the "TiddlyWiki 5" as the field name and the "2.0" as the field value. 
>>> Should the garbage can that deletes the field be next to it?... 
>>>
>>> <:-)
>>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 8:08:15 PM UTC+2 Mat wrote:
>>>
 Freely naming of fields will be fantastic! It will give fields a much 
 more prominent position because they can be used directly as connections 
 to 
 actual tiddlers. Great progress!

 @Jeremy can the artwork treat the version number as 5.2 (i.e without .0 
 at end)? I don't have a particular idea but I imagine it will be easier to 
 come up with ideas for fewer digits.

 <:-)

 On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 1:14:17 PM UTC+2 Jeremy Ruston wrote:

> This is to announce our regular competition for the artwork for the 
> next release of TiddlyWiki 5. The next release is planned to be called 
> v5.2.0, which requires a little explanation.
>
> We've bumped the minor version number because of a single very 
> important change: for the first time in a decade, we're changing the 
> format 
> used to encode tiddlers into the HTML file.
>
> The new format is based on JSON, making it much easier to develop 
> tools that produce or consume TW5 standalone HTML files. While there is 
> some limited backwards compatibility, the developers of many existing 
> tools 
> will need to make modifications to keep things working with v5.2.0.
>
> Hence the version number change: it's intended to make every developer 
> ask "Gosh, what could have changed to warrant such a big jump", and helps 
> us to make sure that the news of the change is promulgated as widely and 
> prominently as possible.
>
> The change also brings one big improvement for all users: field names 
> now have no restrictions on which characters can be used, and are 
> case-sensitive so that "MyField" is a valid fieldname, and refers to a 
> different field than "myfield" (just like tiddler titles). Finally, we 
> can 
> have fields called "⛄️".
>
> These changes will be merged shortly, but in the meantime can be 
> inspected here:
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/5708
>
> So, with that, back to the artwork competition. The task is to design 
> the banner image that is shown on the splash screen and within the 
> opening 
> HelloThere tiddler. It is traditional for the artwork to reflect some of 
> the changes in the new version.
>
> The rules for the competition are:
>
> * The version number (with the correct punctuation) must be clear and 
> readable even when the banner is shown at a reduced size
> * 

Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Darth Mole]

Just something I threw together.

[image: Logo1.png]

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 11:47:50 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:

> Hi Springer!
>
> I love your artwork! very nice!
>
> Minor comments:
> 1. Why not host the image on 
> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields and why use 
> dropbox?
> 2. I remember you have hosted artworks for 5.1.23, it is good to see them 
> on https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields
> 3. It is good to have 
> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields for past and 
> future artworks competitions all in one place this not only archive all 
> previous efforts but also give ideas to other contributors
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 1:02 AM springer  wrote:
>
>> Here's a hasty concept-logo to kick things off, also visible at site: 
>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields
>>
>> [image: unleash_your_fields.jpg]
>>
>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 4:13:44 PM UTC-4 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mat
>>>
>>> The artwork needs to show "v5.2.0" (including the "v"!), because there 
>>> will  be a "v5.2.1" at some point, potentially quite soon, and it's 
>>> important for everybody to be able to unambiguously distinguish the 
>>> versions. Stated another way, this is not version '5.2', this is version 
>>> '5.2.0'.
>>>
>>> I'd also say that perhaps designs based on the shapes of the letters 
>>> might be a bit generic. I think the opportunity is to try to capture what 
>>> is in the release, not just the string of numbers we use to refer to it.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jeremy Ruston
>>> jer...@jermolene.com
>>> https://jermolene.com
>>>
>>> On 13 Jun 2021, at 20:02, Mat  wrote:
>>>
>>> Oooh I just got two cool ideas! Anyone skilled, feel free to create:
>>>
>>> First depends on if it is OK with "5.2" (see my previous 
>>> question). Those two digits have a very similar shape! I think it should be 
>>> possible to make some kind of mirror reflection to have one show the other. 
>>>
>>> Second idea uses that new feature with freely named fields. So the 
>>> design idea is to simply make the string "TiddlyWiki 5.2.0" as a field! E.g 
>>> the "TiddlyWiki 5" as the field name and the "2.0" as the field value. 
>>> Should the garbage can that deletes the field be next to it?... 
>>>
>>> <:-)
>>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 8:08:15 PM UTC+2 Mat wrote:
>>>
 Freely naming of fields will be fantastic! It will give fields a much 
 more prominent position because they can be used directly as connections 
 to 
 actual tiddlers. Great progress!

 @Jeremy can the artwork treat the version number as 5.2 (i.e without .0 
 at end)? I don't have a particular idea but I imagine it will be easier to 
 come up with ideas for fewer digits.

 <:-)

 On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 1:14:17 PM UTC+2 Jeremy Ruston wrote:

> This is to announce our regular competition for the artwork for the 
> next release of TiddlyWiki 5. The next release is planned to be called 
> v5.2.0, which requires a little explanation.
>
> We've bumped the minor version number because of a single very 
> important change: for the first time in a decade, we're changing the 
> format 
> used to encode tiddlers into the HTML file.
>
> The new format is based on JSON, making it much easier to develop 
> tools that produce or consume TW5 standalone HTML files. While there is 
> some limited backwards compatibility, the developers of many existing 
> tools 
> will need to make modifications to keep things working with v5.2.0.
>
> Hence the version number change: it's intended to make every developer 
> ask "Gosh, what could have changed to warrant such a big jump", and helps 
> us to make sure that the news of the change is promulgated as widely and 
> prominently as possible.
>
> The change also brings one big improvement for all users: field names 
> now have no restrictions on which characters can be used, and are 
> case-sensitive so that "MyField" is a valid fieldname, and refers to a 
> different field than "myfield" (just like tiddler titles). Finally, we 
> can 
> have fields called "⛄️".
>
> These changes will be merged shortly, but in the meantime can be 
> inspected here:
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/5708
>
> So, with that, back to the artwork competition. The task is to design 
> the banner image that is shown on the splash screen and within the 
> opening 
> HelloThere tiddler. It is traditional for the artwork to reflect some of 
> the changes in the new version.
>
> The rules for the competition are:
>
> * The version number (with the correct punctuation) must be clear and 
> readable even when the banner is shown at a reduced size
> * The image must be a PNG, 

Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Hi Springer!

I love your artwork! very nice!

Minor comments:
1. Why not host the image on
https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields and why use
dropbox?
2. I remember you have hosted artworks for 5.1.23, it is good to see them
on https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields
3. It is good to have
https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields for past and
future artworks competitions all in one place this not only archive all
previous efforts but also give ideas to other contributors



Best wishes
Mohammad


On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 1:02 AM springer  wrote:

> Here's a hasty concept-logo to kick things off, also visible at site:
> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields
>
> [image: unleash_your_fields.jpg]
>
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 4:13:44 PM UTC-4 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Mat
>>
>> The artwork needs to show "v5.2.0" (including the "v"!), because there
>> will  be a "v5.2.1" at some point, potentially quite soon, and it's
>> important for everybody to be able to unambiguously distinguish the
>> versions. Stated another way, this is not version '5.2', this is version
>> '5.2.0'.
>>
>> I'd also say that perhaps designs based on the shapes of the letters
>> might be a bit generic. I think the opportunity is to try to capture what
>> is in the release, not just the string of numbers we use to refer to it.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jeremy Ruston
>> jer...@jermolene.com
>> https://jermolene.com
>>
>> On 13 Jun 2021, at 20:02, Mat  wrote:
>>
>> Oooh I just got two cool ideas! Anyone skilled, feel free to create:
>>
>> First depends on if it is OK with "5.2" (see my previous question). Those
>> two digits have a very similar shape! I think it should be possible to make
>> some kind of mirror reflection to have one show the other.
>>
>> Second idea uses that new feature with freely named fields. So the design
>> idea is to simply make the string "TiddlyWiki 5.2.0" as a field! E.g the
>> "TiddlyWiki 5" as the field name and the "2.0" as the field value. Should
>> the garbage can that deletes the field be next to it?...
>>
>> <:-)
>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 8:08:15 PM UTC+2 Mat wrote:
>>
>>> Freely naming of fields will be fantastic! It will give fields a much
>>> more prominent position because they can be used directly as connections to
>>> actual tiddlers. Great progress!
>>>
>>> @Jeremy can the artwork treat the version number as 5.2 (i.e without .0
>>> at end)? I don't have a particular idea but I imagine it will be easier to
>>> come up with ideas for fewer digits.
>>>
>>> <:-)
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 1:14:17 PM UTC+2 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>
 This is to announce our regular competition for the artwork for the
 next release of TiddlyWiki 5. The next release is planned to be called
 v5.2.0, which requires a little explanation.

 We've bumped the minor version number because of a single very
 important change: for the first time in a decade, we're changing the format
 used to encode tiddlers into the HTML file.

 The new format is based on JSON, making it much easier to develop tools
 that produce or consume TW5 standalone HTML files. While there is some
 limited backwards compatibility, the developers of many existing tools will
 need to make modifications to keep things working with v5.2.0.

 Hence the version number change: it's intended to make every developer
 ask "Gosh, what could have changed to warrant such a big jump", and helps
 us to make sure that the news of the change is promulgated as widely and
 prominently as possible.

 The change also brings one big improvement for all users: field names
 now have no restrictions on which characters can be used, and are
 case-sensitive so that "MyField" is a valid fieldname, and refers to a
 different field than "myfield" (just like tiddler titles). Finally, we can
 have fields called "⛄️".

 These changes will be merged shortly, but in the meantime can be
 inspected here:

 https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/5708

 So, with that, back to the artwork competition. The task is to design
 the banner image that is shown on the splash screen and within the opening
 HelloThere tiddler. It is traditional for the artwork to reflect some of
 the changes in the new version.

 The rules for the competition are:

 * The version number (with the correct punctuation) must be clear and
 readable even when the banner is shown at a reduced size
 * The image must be a PNG, JPEG or SVG of exactly 560x315 pixels
 * The bottom 46 pixels will be obscured by the banner text “What’s new
 in 5.2.0” when it is displayed within HelloThere
 * Feel free to enter an updated version of artwork that was a runner-up
 in a previous competition
 * Reply to this message with your entry, or any 

Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Jeremy Ruston]

> I'm happy to host all entries again, in an easy-to-compare (and change 
> palettes, etc.) dedicated TW:
> 
> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/

Thanks, much appreciated!

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Mat]

Springer - brilliant!

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 10:32:30 PM UTC+2 springer wrote:

> Here's a hasty concept-logo to kick things off, also visible at site: 
> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields
>
> [image: unleash_your_fields.jpg]
>
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 4:13:44 PM UTC-4 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Mat
>>
>> The artwork needs to show "v5.2.0" (including the "v"!), because there 
>> will  be a "v5.2.1" at some point, potentially quite soon, and it's 
>> important for everybody to be able to unambiguously distinguish the 
>> versions. Stated another way, this is not version '5.2', this is version 
>> '5.2.0'.
>>
>> I'd also say that perhaps designs based on the shapes of the letters 
>> might be a bit generic. I think the opportunity is to try to capture what 
>> is in the release, not just the string of numbers we use to refer to it.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jeremy Ruston
>> jer...@jermolene.com
>> https://jermolene.com
>>
>> On 13 Jun 2021, at 20:02, Mat  wrote:
>>
>> Oooh I just got two cool ideas! Anyone skilled, feel free to create:
>>
>> First depends on if it is OK with "5.2" (see my previous question). Those 
>> two digits have a very similar shape! I think it should be possible to make 
>> some kind of mirror reflection to have one show the other. 
>>
>> Second idea uses that new feature with freely named fields. So the design 
>> idea is to simply make the string "TiddlyWiki 5.2.0" as a field! E.g the 
>> "TiddlyWiki 5" as the field name and the "2.0" as the field value. Should 
>> the garbage can that deletes the field be next to it?... 
>>
>> <:-)
>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 8:08:15 PM UTC+2 Mat wrote:
>>
>>> Freely naming of fields will be fantastic! It will give fields a much 
>>> more prominent position because they can be used directly as connections to 
>>> actual tiddlers. Great progress!
>>>
>>> @Jeremy can the artwork treat the version number as 5.2 (i.e without .0 
>>> at end)? I don't have a particular idea but I imagine it will be easier to 
>>> come up with ideas for fewer digits.
>>>
>>> <:-)
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 1:14:17 PM UTC+2 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>
 This is to announce our regular competition for the artwork for the 
 next release of TiddlyWiki 5. The next release is planned to be called 
 v5.2.0, which requires a little explanation.

 We've bumped the minor version number because of a single very 
 important change: for the first time in a decade, we're changing the 
 format 
 used to encode tiddlers into the HTML file.

 The new format is based on JSON, making it much easier to develop tools 
 that produce or consume TW5 standalone HTML files. While there is some 
 limited backwards compatibility, the developers of many existing tools 
 will 
 need to make modifications to keep things working with v5.2.0.

 Hence the version number change: it's intended to make every developer 
 ask "Gosh, what could have changed to warrant such a big jump", and helps 
 us to make sure that the news of the change is promulgated as widely and 
 prominently as possible.

 The change also brings one big improvement for all users: field names 
 now have no restrictions on which characters can be used, and are 
 case-sensitive so that "MyField" is a valid fieldname, and refers to a 
 different field than "myfield" (just like tiddler titles). Finally, we can 
 have fields called "⛄️".

 These changes will be merged shortly, but in the meantime can be 
 inspected here:

 https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/5708

 So, with that, back to the artwork competition. The task is to design 
 the banner image that is shown on the splash screen and within the opening 
 HelloThere tiddler. It is traditional for the artwork to reflect some of 
 the changes in the new version.

 The rules for the competition are:

 * The version number (with the correct punctuation) must be clear and 
 readable even when the banner is shown at a reduced size
 * The image must be a PNG, JPEG or SVG of exactly 560x315 pixels
 * The bottom 46 pixels will be obscured by the banner text “What’s new 
 in 5.2.0” when it is displayed within HelloThere
 * Feel free to enter an updated version of artwork that was a runner-up 
 in a previous competition
 * Reply to this message with your entry, or any questions

 Here are the posts about previous artwork competitions:

 v5.1.23 - 
 https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/cTgPWl8b_9c/m/VtrMFHBGAwAJ
 v5.1.22 - 
 https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/rYrja18_SfQ/m/JAklPfjfAwAJ
 v5.1.21 - 
 https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/l47ZZzWdDb8/m/6s0p_3QeCgAJ

 If you’ve got a great idea for the banner image, but don’t have the 
 skills to produce finished artwork, do feel 

Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Saq Imtiaz]

It might be helpful to look at the release notes:
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#TiddlyWiki%20Pre-release

I am biased but I think visually the image drag and drop stuff in the 
editor stands out, so that could be an idea.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[springer]

Here's a hasty concept-logo to kick things off, also visible at 
site: https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/#unleash-your-fields

[image: unleash_your_fields.jpg]

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 4:13:44 PM UTC-4 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Mat
>
> The artwork needs to show "v5.2.0" (including the "v"!), because there 
> will  be a "v5.2.1" at some point, potentially quite soon, and it's 
> important for everybody to be able to unambiguously distinguish the 
> versions. Stated another way, this is not version '5.2', this is version 
> '5.2.0'.
>
> I'd also say that perhaps designs based on the shapes of the letters might 
> be a bit generic. I think the opportunity is to try to capture what is in 
> the release, not just the string of numbers we use to refer to it.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
> --
> Jeremy Ruston
> jer...@jermolene.com
> https://jermolene.com
>
> On 13 Jun 2021, at 20:02, Mat  wrote:
>
> Oooh I just got two cool ideas! Anyone skilled, feel free to create:
>
> First depends on if it is OK with "5.2" (see my previous question). Those 
> two digits have a very similar shape! I think it should be possible to make 
> some kind of mirror reflection to have one show the other. 
>
> Second idea uses that new feature with freely named fields. So the design 
> idea is to simply make the string "TiddlyWiki 5.2.0" as a field! E.g the 
> "TiddlyWiki 5" as the field name and the "2.0" as the field value. Should 
> the garbage can that deletes the field be next to it?... 
>
> <:-)
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 8:08:15 PM UTC+2 Mat wrote:
>
>> Freely naming of fields will be fantastic! It will give fields a much 
>> more prominent position because they can be used directly as connections to 
>> actual tiddlers. Great progress!
>>
>> @Jeremy can the artwork treat the version number as 5.2 (i.e without .0 
>> at end)? I don't have a particular idea but I imagine it will be easier to 
>> come up with ideas for fewer digits.
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 1:14:17 PM UTC+2 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>>> This is to announce our regular competition for the artwork for the next 
>>> release of TiddlyWiki 5. The next release is planned to be called v5.2.0, 
>>> which requires a little explanation.
>>>
>>> We've bumped the minor version number because of a single very important 
>>> change: for the first time in a decade, we're changing the format used to 
>>> encode tiddlers into the HTML file.
>>>
>>> The new format is based on JSON, making it much easier to develop tools 
>>> that produce or consume TW5 standalone HTML files. While there is some 
>>> limited backwards compatibility, the developers of many existing tools will 
>>> need to make modifications to keep things working with v5.2.0.
>>>
>>> Hence the version number change: it's intended to make every developer 
>>> ask "Gosh, what could have changed to warrant such a big jump", and helps 
>>> us to make sure that the news of the change is promulgated as widely and 
>>> prominently as possible.
>>>
>>> The change also brings one big improvement for all users: field names 
>>> now have no restrictions on which characters can be used, and are 
>>> case-sensitive so that "MyField" is a valid fieldname, and refers to a 
>>> different field than "myfield" (just like tiddler titles). Finally, we can 
>>> have fields called "⛄️".
>>>
>>> These changes will be merged shortly, but in the meantime can be 
>>> inspected here:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/5708
>>>
>>> So, with that, back to the artwork competition. The task is to design 
>>> the banner image that is shown on the splash screen and within the opening 
>>> HelloThere tiddler. It is traditional for the artwork to reflect some of 
>>> the changes in the new version.
>>>
>>> The rules for the competition are:
>>>
>>> * The version number (with the correct punctuation) must be clear and 
>>> readable even when the banner is shown at a reduced size
>>> * The image must be a PNG, JPEG or SVG of exactly 560x315 pixels
>>> * The bottom 46 pixels will be obscured by the banner text “What’s new 
>>> in 5.2.0” when it is displayed within HelloThere
>>> * Feel free to enter an updated version of artwork that was a runner-up 
>>> in a previous competition
>>> * Reply to this message with your entry, or any questions
>>>
>>> Here are the posts about previous artwork competitions:
>>>
>>> v5.1.23 - 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/cTgPWl8b_9c/m/VtrMFHBGAwAJ
>>> v5.1.22 - 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/rYrja18_SfQ/m/JAklPfjfAwAJ
>>> v5.1.21 - 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/l47ZZzWdDb8/m/6s0p_3QeCgAJ
>>>
>>> If you’ve got a great idea for the banner image, but don’t have the 
>>> skills to produce finished artwork, do feel free to share your ideas in 
>>> case somebody else would like to work on the artwork.
>>>
>>> The competition will be open for a week, at which point if there is more 
>>> than one submission I’ll set up a Google 

Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Mat]

Fair enuff!
<:-)

On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 10:13:44 PM UTC+2 Jeremy Ruston wrote:

> Hi Mat
>
> The artwork needs to show "v5.2.0" (including the "v"!), because there 
> will  be a "v5.2.1" at some point, potentially quite soon, and it's 
> important for everybody to be able to unambiguously distinguish the 
> versions. Stated another way, this is not version '5.2', this is version 
> '5.2.0'.
>
> I'd also say that perhaps designs based on the shapes of the letters might 
> be a bit generic. I think the opportunity is to try to capture what is in 
> the release, not just the string of numbers we use to refer to it.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
> --
> Jeremy Ruston
> jer...@jermolene.com
> https://jermolene.com
>
> On 13 Jun 2021, at 20:02, Mat  wrote:
>
> Oooh I just got two cool ideas! Anyone skilled, feel free to create:
>
> First depends on if it is OK with "5.2" (see my previous question). Those 
> two digits have a very similar shape! I think it should be possible to make 
> some kind of mirror reflection to have one show the other. 
>
> Second idea uses that new feature with freely named fields. So the design 
> idea is to simply make the string "TiddlyWiki 5.2.0" as a field! E.g the 
> "TiddlyWiki 5" as the field name and the "2.0" as the field value. Should 
> the garbage can that deletes the field be next to it?... 
>
> <:-)
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 8:08:15 PM UTC+2 Mat wrote:
>
>> Freely naming of fields will be fantastic! It will give fields a much 
>> more prominent position because they can be used directly as connections to 
>> actual tiddlers. Great progress!
>>
>> @Jeremy can the artwork treat the version number as 5.2 (i.e without .0 
>> at end)? I don't have a particular idea but I imagine it will be easier to 
>> come up with ideas for fewer digits.
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 1:14:17 PM UTC+2 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>>> This is to announce our regular competition for the artwork for the next 
>>> release of TiddlyWiki 5. The next release is planned to be called v5.2.0, 
>>> which requires a little explanation.
>>>
>>> We've bumped the minor version number because of a single very important 
>>> change: for the first time in a decade, we're changing the format used to 
>>> encode tiddlers into the HTML file.
>>>
>>> The new format is based on JSON, making it much easier to develop tools 
>>> that produce or consume TW5 standalone HTML files. While there is some 
>>> limited backwards compatibility, the developers of many existing tools will 
>>> need to make modifications to keep things working with v5.2.0.
>>>
>>> Hence the version number change: it's intended to make every developer 
>>> ask "Gosh, what could have changed to warrant such a big jump", and helps 
>>> us to make sure that the news of the change is promulgated as widely and 
>>> prominently as possible.
>>>
>>> The change also brings one big improvement for all users: field names 
>>> now have no restrictions on which characters can be used, and are 
>>> case-sensitive so that "MyField" is a valid fieldname, and refers to a 
>>> different field than "myfield" (just like tiddler titles). Finally, we can 
>>> have fields called "⛄️".
>>>
>>> These changes will be merged shortly, but in the meantime can be 
>>> inspected here:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/5708
>>>
>>> So, with that, back to the artwork competition. The task is to design 
>>> the banner image that is shown on the splash screen and within the opening 
>>> HelloThere tiddler. It is traditional for the artwork to reflect some of 
>>> the changes in the new version.
>>>
>>> The rules for the competition are:
>>>
>>> * The version number (with the correct punctuation) must be clear and 
>>> readable even when the banner is shown at a reduced size
>>> * The image must be a PNG, JPEG or SVG of exactly 560x315 pixels
>>> * The bottom 46 pixels will be obscured by the banner text “What’s new 
>>> in 5.2.0” when it is displayed within HelloThere
>>> * Feel free to enter an updated version of artwork that was a runner-up 
>>> in a previous competition
>>> * Reply to this message with your entry, or any questions
>>>
>>> Here are the posts about previous artwork competitions:
>>>
>>> v5.1.23 - 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/cTgPWl8b_9c/m/VtrMFHBGAwAJ
>>> v5.1.22 - 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/rYrja18_SfQ/m/JAklPfjfAwAJ
>>> v5.1.21 - 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/l47ZZzWdDb8/m/6s0p_3QeCgAJ
>>>
>>> If you’ve got a great idea for the banner image, but don’t have the 
>>> skills to produce finished artwork, do feel free to share your ideas in 
>>> case somebody else would like to work on the artwork.
>>>
>>> The competition will be open for a week, at which point if there is more 
>>> than one submission I’ll set up a Google Form for voting.
>>>
>>> Best wishes and many thanks,
>>>
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jeremy Ruston
>>> jer...@jermolene.com
>>> https://jermolene.com
>>>

Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mat

The artwork needs to show "v5.2.0" (including the "v"!), because there will  be 
a "v5.2.1" at some point, potentially quite soon, and it's important for 
everybody to be able to unambiguously distinguish the versions. Stated another 
way, this is not version '5.2', this is version '5.2.0'.

I'd also say that perhaps designs based on the shapes of the letters might be a 
bit generic. I think the opportunity is to try to capture what is in the 
release, not just the string of numbers we use to refer to it.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

--
Jeremy Ruston
jer...@jermolene.com
https://jermolene.com

> On 13 Jun 2021, at 20:02, Mat  wrote:
> 
> Oooh I just got two cool ideas! Anyone skilled, feel free to create:
> 
> First depends on if it is OK with "5.2" (see my previous question). Those two 
> digits have a very similar shape! I think it should be possible to make some 
> kind of mirror reflection to have one show the other. 
> 
> Second idea uses that new feature with freely named fields. So the design 
> idea is to simply make the string "TiddlyWiki 5.2.0" as a field! E.g the 
> "TiddlyWiki 5" as the field name and the "2.0" as the field value. Should the 
> garbage can that deletes the field be next to it?... 
> 
> <:-)
>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 8:08:15 PM UTC+2 Mat wrote:
>> Freely naming of fields will be fantastic! It will give fields a much more 
>> prominent position because they can be used directly as connections to 
>> actual tiddlers. Great progress!
>> 
>> @Jeremy can the artwork treat the version number as 5.2 (i.e without .0 at 
>> end)? I don't have a particular idea but I imagine it will be easier to come 
>> up with ideas for fewer digits.
>> 
>> <:-)
>> 
>>> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 1:14:17 PM UTC+2 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>> This is to announce our regular competition for the artwork for the next 
>>> release of TiddlyWiki 5. The next release is planned to be called v5.2.0, 
>>> which requires a little explanation.
>>> 
>>> We've bumped the minor version number because of a single very important 
>>> change: for the first time in a decade, we're changing the format used to 
>>> encode tiddlers into the HTML file.
>>> 
>>> The new format is based on JSON, making it much easier to develop tools 
>>> that produce or consume TW5 standalone HTML files. While there is some 
>>> limited backwards compatibility, the developers of many existing tools will 
>>> need to make modifications to keep things working with v5.2.0.
>>> 
>>> Hence the version number change: it's intended to make every developer ask 
>>> "Gosh, what could have changed to warrant such a big jump", and helps us to 
>>> make sure that the news of the change is promulgated as widely and 
>>> prominently as possible.
>>> 
>>> The change also brings one big improvement for all users: field names now 
>>> have no restrictions on which characters can be used, and are 
>>> case-sensitive so that "MyField" is a valid fieldname, and refers to a 
>>> different field than "myfield" (just like tiddler titles). Finally, we can 
>>> have fields called "⛄️".
>>> 
>>> These changes will be merged shortly, but in the meantime can be inspected 
>>> here:
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/5708
>>> 
>>> So, with that, back to the artwork competition. The task is to design the 
>>> banner image that is shown on the splash screen and within the opening 
>>> HelloThere tiddler. It is traditional for the artwork to reflect some of 
>>> the changes in the new version.
>>> 
>>> The rules for the competition are:
>>> 
>>> * The version number (with the correct punctuation) must be clear and 
>>> readable even when the banner is shown at a reduced size
>>> * The image must be a PNG, JPEG or SVG of exactly 560x315 pixels
>>> * The bottom 46 pixels will be obscured by the banner text “What’s new in 
>>> 5.2.0” when it is displayed within HelloThere
>>> * Feel free to enter an updated version of artwork that was a runner-up in 
>>> a previous competition
>>> * Reply to this message with your entry, or any questions
>>> 
>>> Here are the posts about previous artwork competitions:
>>> 
>>> v5.1.23 - 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/cTgPWl8b_9c/m/VtrMFHBGAwAJ
>>> v5.1.22 - 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/rYrja18_SfQ/m/JAklPfjfAwAJ
>>> v5.1.21 - 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/l47ZZzWdDb8/m/6s0p_3QeCgAJ
>>> 
>>> If you’ve got a great idea for the banner image, but don’t have the skills 
>>> to produce finished artwork, do feel free to share your ideas in case 
>>> somebody else would like to work on the artwork.
>>> 
>>> The competition will be open for a week, at which point if there is more 
>>> than one submission I’ll set up a Google Form for voting.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes and many thanks,
>>> 
>>> Jeremy
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jeremy Ruston
>>> jer...@jermolene.com
>>> https://jermolene.com
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