[twdev] Re: Why "sharing of tiddlers" is a linchpin for success

2018-06-19 Thread bingo
Is the idea of shared tiddlers plugin that was part of TwC useful in this context ? It seems if we could get it to work in TW5 context it would also help with reducing the tiddlywiki file size and help organising information better ... On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 6:08:28 PM UTC+5:30, Mat wrot

[twdev] Re: Why "sharing of tiddlers" is a linchpin for success

2018-06-12 Thread TonyM
Jed, Sorry, the invitations are slow because I am asleep at the time. I sent it recently Good to see the federation connection. In relation to the node version, I just found I may be able to use hosting accounts to serve nodeJS and they are working on making it a more user configurable choice

[twdev] Re: Why "sharing of tiddlers" is a linchpin for success

2018-06-12 Thread Jed Carty
Tony, Yammer isn't sending me a confirmation email so I can't join there. The way that you describe subscribing to something is used by twederation. Subscribing is done completely on the subscribing wiki and doesn't have any effect on the wiki that is being subscribed to. And each wiki has a ti

[twdev] Re: Why "sharing of tiddlers" is a linchpin for success

2018-06-12 Thread TonyM
Josiah, I believe you are correct, but someone building a solution now that they can see the end of the tunnel. are possibly already informed by the past, but it is important that people with a "naive disregard [for perceived] fundamental problems" just have a go, and the wise and experienced s

[twdev] Re: Why "sharing of tiddlers" is a linchpin for success

2018-06-12 Thread TonyM
Mat, I can loosely commit some time to furthering this. If I could ask you to Join Yammer at https://www.yammer.com/tiddlywiki and we continue the conversation in a group, However I am sure a few of the above requirements will need some deeper developer skills. Another thing I realised the ot

[twdev] Re: Why "sharing of tiddlers" is a linchpin for success

2018-06-11 Thread Mat
@TiddlyTweeter wrote: > > I hope this is clear. Honestly, it sounds interesting but I don't understand what you're talking about. Could you perhaps start another thread about it? <:-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWikiDev" group. To unsub

[twdev] Re: Why "sharing of tiddlers" is a linchpin for success

2018-06-11 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
> > Mat: maybe I'm naive and disregard fundamental problems? > I think you are Hot On -- EXCEPT on the question of legacy. On which you don't seem to see the issue. The future will come not just with a shiny new system (I am in favour of) it will also be because of a BRIDGE to the past. My c

[twdev] Re: Why "sharing of tiddlers" is a linchpin for success

2018-06-11 Thread Mat
Tony First, if you're up for it; let us (you and I) set up something together to see how far we can get. I could start with this in about a week or two from now. How about you? Anyone else interested? But generally; I agree that what I am calling for is the, as you put it, "ultimate integrated

[twdev] Re: Why "sharing of tiddlers" is a linchpin for success

2018-06-10 Thread TonyM
Post Script, Allowing people to annotate or comment on tiddlers, perhaps part of this need to share tiddlers could also be achieved with NoteSelf using the local pouchDB to save changes, the user can then export their annotations and send an email, post etc... a json file to the site owner who

[twdev] Re: Why "sharing of tiddlers" is a linchpin for success

2018-06-10 Thread TonyM
I would like to add something here and I hope I may be able to state it clearly. - We can already effectively store and share tiddlers and groups of tiddlers, we can drag and drop, import and export. - It seems to me this thread is considering the "Ultimate" integrated transfer or

[twdev] Re: Why "sharing of tiddlers" is a linchpin for success

2018-06-09 Thread Mat
Jed Carty wrote: > > I tried to start a listing of plugins that I was hoping to extend to other > tiddlywiki resources that is similar to what you are describing but then I > got distracted and I don't think anyone else really started using it. What > I made is here: http://inmysocks.tiddlyspot.

[twdev] Re: Why "sharing of tiddlers" is a linchpin for success

2018-06-09 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Jed Carty wrote: > > I tried to start a listing of plugins that I was hoping to extend to other > tiddlywiki resources that is similar to what you are describing but then I > got distracted and I don't think anyone else really started using it. What > I made is here: http://inmysocks.tiddlyspot.

[twdev] Re: Why "sharing of tiddlers" is a linchpin for success

2018-06-09 Thread Jed Carty
I tried to start a listing of plugins that I was hoping to extend to other tiddlywiki resources that is similar to what you are describing but then I got distracted and I don't think anyone else really started using it. What I made is here: http://inmysocks.tiddlyspot.com/#Plugin%20twCard Mat,

[twdev] Re: Why "sharing of tiddlers" is a linchpin for success

2018-06-09 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
> > Mat: Nobody can know this yet. I disagree. I DO think it is important a few people, TW "experts", examine it to make sure its broad enough. But to say "Nobody can know" is just silly. > Twitter has that fixed number of characters limit so if, for some reason, > sharing typically ends u

[twdev] Re: Why "sharing of tiddlers" is a linchpin for success

2018-06-09 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Exactly why TW in the wild inclines to the "centrifugal". The "centripetal" is MISSING. That lack maybe part causes the fragmentation you are talking of. I don't think this is about waiting around more ... I mean how many years you (everyone reading) been here already? GIVE me a format. Lets

[twdev] Re: Why "sharing of tiddlers" is a linchpin for success

2018-06-09 Thread Mat
TiddlyTweeter/Josiah My bullet list is only to give a general idea of what should be possible. It is in deed broad but it is also very unspecific because not only could each bullet probably be implemented in several ways, it might also depend on how the sharing-of-tiddlers is actually implement

[twdev] Re: Why "sharing of tiddlers" is a linchpin for success

2018-06-09 Thread Mat
Jed Carty wrote: > > I am working on the external server component needed by Bob to make it > into the optional nodejs server component we had discussed as an extension > of twederation. [...] While pondering over how to interpret this I realized I have this basic question: With a public TW b

[twdev] Re: Why "sharing of tiddlers" is a linchpin for success

2018-06-09 Thread Diego Mesa
I have long thought we need a way to upgrade plugins, which would require fetching tiddlers! I agree its super important! On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 3:05:20 PM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote: > > Ciao Mat > > Further to my last, and hopefully on-point. > > IF I, say converted David's list, WHAT

[twdev] Re: Why "sharing of tiddlers" is a linchpin for success

2018-06-09 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Mat Further to my last, and hopefully on-point. IF I, say converted David's list, WHAT would be the best format (basically fields defined and filled for every Tiddler?) that is optimal for sharing? Where's the list :-)? This immediately brings up the issue of legacy. IMO getting legacy a

[twdev] Re: Why "sharing of tiddlers" is a linchpin for success

2018-06-09 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Mat Ciao Mat I think concrete examples help. My use case. I like to try promote TW (though promotion is not on your list :-) on Twitter because its effective and Twitter I know well. There is an infinite listening audience there. I am doing 7,000% less than I could because every bl**dy T

[twdev] Re: Why "sharing of tiddlers" is a linchpin for success

2018-06-09 Thread Jed Carty
I am working on the external server component needed by Bob to make it into the optional nodejs server component we had discussed as an extension of twederation. I have a publicly accessible website set up serving Bob right now and it works well enough to use, but I don't have the SSL certificat