For what is worth, I think Jon is 100% right on this one.
And he was cristal clear about the reasons too.
Regards,
Paulo
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on
I keep having that feeling you don't even know what Avalon is.
You just don't like them or something like that. Did you consider
you could have something to learn from them?
Just asking!
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Paulo Gaspar
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Hi.
paranoia
I just downloaded the tomcat
Via webmaster, please check the Original Message that follows.
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is a bad link and the jsp needs to be
wrapped in html.
http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-4.0-doc/appdev/sample/web/
Onward,
Mike.
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Hi,
Just a quick one, I noticed that on the following page under Quick Start the
s is
I received this one via the webmaster mail and it looks interesting.
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Hi. A lot of my
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Please pass on to the documentation person.
John
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Yes, but they KNOW.
And they insist a lot on how Tomcat 3.3 must keep compatibility with
the Java Servlet 2.2 and JSP 1.1 specifications, because it is the
reference implementation.
See the irony now?
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Paulo Gaspar
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From: Bill Barker [mailto:[EMAIL
They have slow reflexes???
Hey, but aren't some guys from Sun working on some Tomcat version???
=;o)
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Paulo Gaspar
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http://java.sun.com/products/servlet
him to make the process easier.
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From: Christopher Cain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Christopher Cain wrote:
I don't know what 'long enough
/**
* Pleurez, pleurez, mes yeux, et fondez vous en eau!
* La moitié de ma vie a mis l'autre au tombeau.
*---Corneille
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Paulo Gaspar wrote:
Christopher,
Since you are the VOTE proponent, could you take a look at my previous
suggestion:
- having a tomcat-bugs mailing list
Even the pushy non voting bastard (me) agrees that something should
come to the dev list.
I was pushing the daily digest thing coming to dev, but after
Christopher rationale (it takes work doing it + don't ask what you
won't do) I sure agree that the practical solution is to have all
the bugs
*sigh* ... ever the diplomat ;-)
The only sure things in life:
death, taxes and Jon's guerilla diplomacy.
=;o)
Have fun,
Paulo
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From: Christopher Cain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:58 PM
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Subject: Re:
I don't want you running for nothing so...
Your problem is:
- When you are wrong, you are wrong;
- When you are right, you still don't know how to prove it.
OTHO, you always make such a noise protesting that you are right that,
eventually, if you really are right, someone with better
Answer inline:
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On 18 Aug 2001 19:56:33 +0200, Paulo Gaspar wrote:
...
The first two things that are really confusing are:
- the existence of 2 lines of very
on EmbededTomcat - maybe the
information missing is the same.
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Paulo Gaspar
: Christopher Cain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 6:24 AM
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Subject: Re: Velocity and JSP speed testing...
Totally OT, bandwidth-wasting, irrelevant musings P.S. ...
Where did that Paulo Gaspar cat go? That guy was always
interesting in a flame
war
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From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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on 8/6/01 9:24 PM, Christopher Cain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Totally OT, bandwidth-wasting, irrelevant musings P.S. ...
Where did that Paulo Gaspar cat go? That guy was always
Triming heading and trailing whitespace for each line of text does (most of)
the trick with very minimal code.
I am doing that to Velocity templates.
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
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dialects for common
problems and embedded Java filling the gaps. For simple logic, it looks
to have potential.
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
.
...
...
Keep going! Tomcat is sorely lacking good documentation.
...
Amen!
Paulo Gaspar
technologies, always
reminds me of lemmings.
=;o)
...
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Paulo Gaspar
in this list.
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
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On Thu, 17 May 2001, Glenn Nielsen wrote:
I guess he's refering to DOS attacks ( like a while(true); in
java code
or allocating lots of memory
alternatives, but I just think you are too smart to keep
defending it if you had that experience.
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position for asking it an
having a good
answer.
Costin complained about that in this list not long ago.
Chau,
Gaston
ps: sorry for doing so much guessing but next month I will have much more
time.
ps
I also hope for that and it never happens.
=;o)
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Paulo Gaspar
compile something (javascript in this case) into Java Bytecode:
http://www.mozilla.org/rhino/
- Maybe Go's Tea template compiler would be a closer match for JSP:
http://opensource.go.com/
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
- Chris.
...
Even less GPL (commercial) but still for free, not so clumsy and with a
better GUI and Debugger... Borland's JBuilder 4 Foundation.
=:o)
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
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?
Where/how do you feed the map file?
(Just some documentation pointers to whatever feature you use would do.)
Thanks,
Paulo Gaspar
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On Thu, 17 May 2001, Christopher Kirk wrote
mechanism in some
OpenSource project somewhere. I bet that something like that
exists;
for 2) You have Velocity, of course.
Well, it is just a suggestion. At the moment that is not my itch.
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
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From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL
: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:26 PM
on 5/15/01 3:46 AM, Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My evaluation of facts is:
- There is almost no documentation on Tomcat, either on web pages
or under a more formal format. Tomcat is much more complex than
Velocity (a Jakarta project I know well
proves its value.
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Paulo Gaspar
(*) - Most of them much more silent and even less participative than
myself. =;o)
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...
Besides developers and their own itches
Thanks Jon,
That gave me a good enough perspective of the pros and cons. I have a
scenario where using the proxy could actually be better.
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
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on 4/10/01 1
In my case I want to use the help of mod_rewrite to produce a
static HTML "cache" for "dynamic" pages that are not changed
very often.
BTW, Jon was the one making the remark on AJP being lighter.
(And I believe he is right.)
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
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too? Pros and cons?
Thanks and have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
for "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" at:
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Jay
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To: Burgess, Jay
Subject: RE: 'Just say no to JSP'
Could you please post this and the address of
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...
Nothing wrong - yet another fine language, and a very nice
implementation.
And nothing good either - or I coulnd't find anything revolutionary
compared with other
for me.
And it works on Windows, Linux, Solaris and other Java platforms.
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
/WebMacro template engines.
And this list is one of the best spots to talk about this. The right
people read this. * Isn't Tomcat the reference JSP implementation? *
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
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I tried XSLT (... I really tried!!!) FreeMarker, WebMacro
and Velocity.
I stay with Velocity.
(Life and templates sure can be simpler than XSLT.)
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
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a bit from this kind of feedback
and pay a bit more of attention to providing good debug info.
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
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Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 10:03
Hi Brad!
...
I'm about to answer in Jon's favorite manner
What hapenned to 3.3 nightly builds?
Not much at:
http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-tomcat/nightly-3.3/
Thanks,
Paulo
No problem.
Paulo
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Paulo Gaspar wrote:
What hapenned to 3.3 nightly builds
Even a nasty (ex) flame warrior like me agrees 100% with this.
=;o)
Paulo Gaspar
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...
I strongly disagree -- if Amy is going to focus on 4.x, I think that's
absolutely fine. We don't need every developer to work on all three
branches
That problem should only happen with the CHAR type, but with the CHAR type
it can happen in other databases too.
AFAIK, the use of VARCHAR doesn't cause trailing spaces to be added in MS
SQL Server. Although I only used SQL Server trough BDE, ODBC and ADO, it
is hard to imagine that a JDBC
Did anyone notice this posting?
pulp
Command line usage:
Step1 - 280ms
Step2 - 20ms
Step3 - 3946ms
Step4 - 531ms
Servlet in Tomcat 3.2.1
Step1 - 2954ms
Step2 - 421ms
Step3 - 46266ms
Step4 - 8442ms
As you can see, the performance degraded by about 10
Maybe he was concerned about users like you.
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Why would you complain about HTML mail, if you using M$ software
(outlook)?
If you were the person like me, the Linux user,
to do that
kind of work.
I will also review as much code as I can (which is something that helps
learning more about TC). If there are preferences about which modules
should benefit more from reviews, please say so.
Thanks,
Paulo Gaspar
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From: Larry Isaacs [mailto
So, it seems that you have nothing against self defense. Right?
Paulo
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On 1/22/01 4:16 PM, "Geoff Soutter" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah, sounds reasonable. Maybe I
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On 1/20/01 2:45 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
Maybe I was putting forth my opinion as well. Happens now and then. :)
We all are and that
If you have a beef with Jon's behavior, then voicing it here, or to him
personally, is the appropriate thing to do.
That is just what we did. IMHO, no one was asking for "official action".
We made remarks about that issue of other veterans reprehending me and
not Jon or both. But even this
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On 1/21/01 11:28 AM, "Shawn McMurdo" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A reservation system or even an informal "who's planning on dialing in"
query on the list before the
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Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 19:39
on 1/22/01 2:55 AM, "Paulo Gaspar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now, by fundamentally right I mean that the basic idea is
perfect and that
the implementation is some
that defend them, one by
one if necessary.
That is why me and others understand faster other people that are
defending just the same you do.
What about starting to attack the opposite ideas instead of the men
behind them? For sure it would be more efficient.
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
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...
How about discussing what to do when a developer goes and does
whatever the
fuck he wants to do regardless of what everyone else voted and agreed on?
-jon
Jon, get
I suppose that people that do not bitch and complain are welcome too.
=;o)
Paulo
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...
There were 3 people who dialed in and 20 dialin ports. I don't
think we need
to reserve
no patience to read all the stuff behind - and I can
understand that.
My reply follows:
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Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 22:14
On 1/18/01 2:49 AM, "Paulo Gaspar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jon isn'
As a "piping" mechanism (as opposed to a "hooking" one) the kind
of thing Donald described is my favorite one.
My other $0.02 are that I agree 100% with Jon on this. People will
get confused if you have 2 different ways of using valves from a
minor version to the other.
Ha
Over the weekend I will start having a look at 3.x HEAD. If you do not
think that document is urgent and no one faster at doing it pops up, I
can try writing something like that.
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
P.S.: BTW, I was also refering to specialized events has in Swing. That
is the kind of thing
Damn, that is somethink I would like very much to see.
Many people indent HTML with spaces - those who code by hand.
Some of them (size conscious) unindent them for production
and sometimes partially indent again for fixing something!
And we often use "font" tags everywhere because of browsers
:
- last time I tested it, it was faster than TC 3.2 (good)
- it was also very buggy (bad, but that may have changed since I
last tried
it), so I think the support issue is essential
- the code organization looked cleaner (good)
I never expected other than a fair judgment from you.
Have
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From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 04:42
on 1/17/01 7:43 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. You are flaming Costin again (is that harassment?);
I don't see a flame there. I'm simply spea
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Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 08:18
Paulo Gaspar wrote:
However, one of them is that there is no such thing as a
"version" of any Apache
project until there is a vote to go that way,
in a way that could be
taken as "self agrandisement".
In general, what you say sounds a rather partial judgement but I am
not going to start saying how Jon is the bad guy and I am the good
one.
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
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Was this a problem with JServ too?
Thanks,
Paulo
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Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2001 12:15
The problem does seem to be caused by IE but also varies depending of
the version and service pack of Windows
Me and Jon are only posting constructive stuff now.
Don't kick us more!
=;o)
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
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From: Bernd Eilers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 14:28
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Forming an opinion
Hi
Is it something you could solve with JSP custom taglibs?
Notice that it is quite easy to intermix JSPs with Servlets.
Just in case you don't know them, here are is a good introduction from Sun:
http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/tutorial/TagLibrariesTOC.html
and some Apache starting pointers:
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Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 23:04
One appropriate question to ask yourself, when comparing, is
"what does having 15
entry points give me that I cannot get with a single entry point
approach"? If
I agree Costin. Avoid the flame bait.
I am willing to help on code review and - if/when I know the beast
better - documentation. My schedule gets a bit lighter next week.
I will, of course, ask loads of things. But I hope I will mostly
need pointers to things.
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
. Whomever has
to
become confused, already is.
Anyway, this is not the User list.
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
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discussing this any further and wait for the meeting notes to be
published.
Man, I am just answering to you! If you are able to stop, I am sure
I can do it too!
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First, you write too much about a name when the question has always been
having or not a 3.3 in the 3.x branch.
Most of us (for whom having a 3.3 is interesting) are still not concerned
about having or not a revolution and a Tomcat 5. It is too soon to be
concerned about when our main priority
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Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 02:58
on 1/17/01 5:50 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nope. No proposal for that has been made yet.
I am talking about names and you are throwing bureaucracy at
I am terribly sorry Sam. It was Larry.
Sorry again,
Paulo
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From: Sam Ruby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 08:46
Paulo Gaspar wrote:
Sam and others already stated that 3.3 is easier to maintain.
They did take a look at the code
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From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 06:05
on 1/15/01 9:03 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The reasons why there are advantages for (at least) the next year or so
on having both 3.3 and 4.x we
BTW, you know the Giant Java Tree project, don't you?
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
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From: GOMEZ Henri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 13:42
I'm a +1000 to see someone like CJAN (CPAN for java) came to life
re able to take over after I build a basic
template by placing the necessary markers/instructions on the basic
HTML. Being used to do tasks like writing/changing simple Javascript,
they have no problems understanding the very basic syntax of these
"template languages".
Have fun,
Paulo
Same feeling here.
Paulo
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From: Larry Isaacs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 15:35
I think in the long run, the community will be better served by a released
3.3. It may have some different bugs, but I think it will eventually have
And you are being the usual pain too.
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Subject: Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info
on 1/15/01 12:17 PM, "Kief Morris" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If
their own
release of the
software and call it FooBar 3.3. Same exact code. What is the real
difference?
The difference is that several valid committers and users might go too. And
those are potential future committers/users that would evolve to Tomcat 4
in one year or less.
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
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Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 20:50
on 1/15/01 9:52 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Again - 3.x is the only reason I'm still here, and I want to
finish it as
soon as possible and be free.
In
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From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 23:34
on 1/15/01 2:25 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, it is much more responsible to push for another
release that is
easier to maintain by others
of the community want it?
* Or are we supposed to only scratch the itches you approve?
Or is Apache effort now only ruled for what is better for Sun's
interests? (Like having a 2.3 container real soon.)
If it is so, please make it clear.
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
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From
is another.
And code doesn't talk so loud anymore. Is that what you mean?
And what defines the community will?
Several members want to go on with 3.3 and the only one I see making a big
fuss of stopping it its you.
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
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on 1/15/01 4:13 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Or are we supposed to only scratch the itches you approve?
That is a fucked up question. I'm
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...as well as a split project's resources.
Again, where does it stop? Maybe if you had stated that you wanted to
eventually switch to working on Tomcat 4.x, I would have had some
Agenda / Info
on 1/15/01 4:24 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Several members want to go on with 3.3 and the only one I see
making a big
fuss of stopping it its you.
I don't know what the *fuck* you are talking about.
-jon
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From: Jon Stev
that you don't think Tomcat 4.x is any good and you also stated that you
won't work on it.
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on 1/15/01 4:36 PM, "
This makes a lot of sense to me.
Have fun,
Paulo
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Bergsten
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 01:53
The motivation for two separate repositories for TC 3.x and 4.x in the
proposal says (among
Nearly all the open-source projects out there have a "boss" who gets to
decide whether or not they like your stuff.
Perfect, but as Hans mentioned, there was never a decision to stop 3.3.
And I have been seing much more rants and FUD from Jon, "which doesn't
help anyone".
And my problem is
What happens if a 3.3 proposal gets a -1?
From the whole content of your posting I understand that the 3.3
existence is legal.
What happens if it is proposed again and gets -1.
What is the difference from voting to stop it?
(What am I understanding wrong?)
Have fun,
Paulo
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The one person having problems is you. And it is not only with me that
you are having them anyway.
Paulo
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on 1/15/01 5:13 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" [EMAIL PROTEC
uess that saying that what makes me talk is "clearly Costin's FUD",
as you just did, ...is clearly FUD.
Have fun,
Paulo
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From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 02:42
on 1/15/01 5:41 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" [EMAIL PROTECTE
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From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 02:30
on 1/15/01 5:38 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You opinion is EVERYWHERE!
What is wrong with that? I'm an active developer on this project. Sud
Exactly the same priorities here.
Paulo Gaspar
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From: Paul Frieden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 02:38
Rather than add fuel to the fire, I would like to summarize what I need
out of a servlet engine. Hopefully this will help
Jon, It is the 2nd time I see you making this kind of remark and it stinks.
This kind of argumentation is quite dirty, even for you.
Paulo Gaspar
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From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 03:13
on 1/15/01 5:58 PM, "[
Thank you very much Hans.
Paulo
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hans
Bergsten
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 03:05
Paulo Gaspar wrote:
What happens if a 3.3 proposal gets a -1?
[...very clear clarification
Agreed!
Paulo
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From: Peter Donald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 02:55
Hi,
I noticed that the list is starting to devolve a little so perhaps the
opinion of a complete outsider with no bias (that I am aware of)
could help ;)
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