I think so. And personally I avoid the word "better" when comparing,
because that's not what I actually mean anyway. I might prefer one over
the other, but that's a preference, it's not a measured analysis...
I am totally sold on the in-some-circles-uncomfortable fact that the
digital data is
Zombie wrote:
> After the dust of the expectancy bias settled I heard no difference
> between the SBT+Qutest and SBT+Quad USB DAC.
> Tonight I will make one SBT stock and compare it to SBT+Qutest.
I had a Chord Hugo (1) on loan for a while and IMO it sounded noticeably
sparklier than my then
Weird because my DACs all remain running and locked because the SBT
keeps spdif output running at the last used clock rate until the next
track is required, outputting digital zero for the duration. Are you
switching sample rate between tracks?
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This is not uncommon, some DACs take an age to sync (my supernait DAC
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lock between 16/44 and full blown dts-hd master streams before you've
noticed it's done so..
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It's only as identical if it has the same output level as your dac, but
it's the same signal and it scales the same as the volume is changed up
or down.
- unless you're using the EDO plugin which enables only the digital
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bpa wrote:
> The things about AIFF is that it is PCM - uncompressed just different
> byte order to WAV. So swap the bytes and then pass straight to DAC. So
> in theory there is no processing difference between files or even
> between passages in a file. That is why theories about metadata were
bpa wrote:
> Late to the party. We went through lots of stuff and never figured out
> why this one AIFF file behaved differently to the rest.I think I was meaning
> the past tense. Yes, I got that gist.
Presumably its a super special extra hard to decode aiff. Or that
particular sequence of
bpa wrote:
> I think the OP should at least check it out thge possibility by enabling
> logging player.source to INFO and see if LMS does something strange to
> the file.
>
> However - why would affect just one file amongst other similarly encoded
> files ?We're getting pretty desperate
sgmlaw wrote:
> These WAV bandwidth and storage arguments are so 2003. Anyone having an
> issue moving a WAV stream around wirelessly in 2019 needs to get a new
> router.
>
> Most of these audio file formats and their resulting streams are a
> trickle compared to even a 1080i file video
Is the file being transcoded by lms? Delays during transcoding will also
manifest as client buffering, iirc.
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Also. You could always just downsample it to 16/44 and be done with
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Yes I'm aware of aiff. It was the default audio file format on my SGI O2
... The implication of what's being discussed is that there is a *data*
dependency for this file. Something, very odd, about the audio data
itself is causing the Touch to require buffering whether it's played as
aiff (i.e.
Flac encoders have changed over the years (though the files themselves
are supposed to be the same format). Presumably the file plays fine if
you decode it to wav/aiff and then re- encode to flac using a known
encoder?
In general no differences in compression methodology should result in a
flac
The devices don't accept direct commands it has to come either from a
local LMS or the mysqueezebox.com one.
What's a smart playlist...?
I did mention that you can enable lms on the Touch from its user
interface by the way if you wanted to use the squeezer app.
As for local music from iPod,
There is no LMS on the internet. You might get away with using the Touch
built-in LMS if you're only interested in internet radio. The touch
doesn't have a lot of grunt but it should be ok the enable that.
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castalla wrote:
> Nice ... but not BT & won't get past the family finance director!There is a
> BT version too, as you no doubt know. Worth the money!
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I got some over ear (wired) sennheiser momentum ii and suspect they can
handle whatever you throw at them.
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Seems to be another thread on this at the moment too. Short answer is
no. Most of the usb power packs either don't support power pass-through
or they momentarily drop power output when the input power changes
state, making them perfectly legit chargers for batteries, but terrible
UPSs. They
Regardless of the question of the (frankly, no-brainer) of adding a
Raspberry Pi LMS server (you could even dangle a £10 Pi Zero W off the
USB out of the touch using it just as a power supply!), there are
plugins that will allow you to have separate library views for multiple
users. Simple
Jefffrye wrote:
> So I thought I would rip my CD collection onto a 1TB hard drive and run
> it into my squeezbox touch via the usb connection. Seemed logical. I
> tried one CD and am unable to access the hard drive to find the music.
> When I plug the hard drive in the squeeze box says it is
Very weird. It shouldn't be quieter unless it's utterly underpowered and
the voltage drops through the floor under load. And I would wager the
SBT processor and screen uses a heck of a lot more power than the audio
output stage.
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I guess you'll find out soon enough.. I think it takes time from LMS
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I am not a slave to Cult of Jobs, so no iPeng for me...
In fact none of my consumer products are prefixed with an "i"..
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Latest gen Bluetooth apt-x is approx 400 Mbit iirc, which although still
lossy compressed is capable of being more or less transparent to the
average user.
Is LMS configured to limit bitrate to your phone? Is LMS configured to
apply replaygain to your phone? Is iPeng a full fledged squeeze
So you're comparing self-ripped flac files to a streamed service? How
are you playing to the iPhone from LMS?
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Other manufacturers are finally getting that music needs to be delivered
this way now. Panasonic, Yamaha, a few others are doing multiroom sound
systems now. Have to say I haven't tried any of them, I have a vast
stockpile of SBTs, SBRs, two SBReceivers and enough raspberry Pis to
mine bitcoin
*this century*? Not this decade though.
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Seems to be an echo around here..
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kidstypike wrote:
> I don't think the problem is the HDD's speed, it's the proccessing power
> of the the Touch that's the bottle-neck. SSD drives weren't commonplace
> when I bought my Touch so haven't tried one, I don't know if there'd be
> any advantage.
>
> Yes, It's great when it works,
Koelboy wrote:
> I would think that connecting a dedicated 5V power supply to the 5V
> input of my HDD is no different from connecting the same PS using a Y
> cable (isn't that the same 5V circuit?) That would mean that it's
> actually better to not use a HDD with a seperate PS?
>
> :SI think
Koelboy wrote:
> I'm not really understanding how connecting the Touch to a powered hub
> doesn't connect the power lines on the touch usb to an external PSU, but
> I think it's also irrelevant when using an external DAC... as long a sit
> doesn't hurt the Touch.
Because it's designed not to,
Correct, functionally similar but a powered hub doesn't connect the
power lines on the touch usb out to an external PSU, unlike most
y-cables which are designed to allow drawing from two usb supplies
simultaneously.
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there's any way to discourage the embedded LMS from polling it often
enough to keep it awake, and secondly you absolutely must buy a powered
hub.
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Check out the EDO plugin. Most USB DAC's can be made to work but unless
someone has tested it it's your risk..
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Mnyb wrote:
> No it wont hurt the Touch .
>
> In fact i ran one of mine with a 2A supply for a long time but i assumed
> that if i did not use the USB or analog it did not matter muchYeah there
> should be plenty of latitude in PSU capacity for a device
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I like the squeezer app for controlling LMS (android).
Assuming all things are equal (the file *is* the same, the player
settings are the same, you have identical volume levels all the way
through the chain and no recompression happening) then there's no
logical reason why it would sound
No, turn SSH off.
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Presumably that's its own internal renderer. You sure it's not
resampling? My touch outputs 192/176.4/96/88/48/44 at 24 bit no problem
on the optical and coax.
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It does play them on mine, so is it possible that your DAC simply
doesn't support that playback sample rate?
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That should not happen, so I would suggest your SBT is faulty.
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Simple answer is there is only one EDO plugin. If your DAC doesn't work
and still doesn't work with the "USB hub" hack then it's unlikely to
ever work. The developers orphaned it a long time ago.
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Hmm, if EDO was mentioned during boot then that means it still booted
the EDO kernel. You may need another reboot to eradicate it completely
(and in fact I'm sure I've read there may be an issue with this).
At least you are working again.
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Also make sure the volume is turned up.. ;)
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EDO disables analogue out if you use a USB DAC (because the signal isn't
sent to the built in DAC!).
EDO settings are local to the SBT in the advanced settings menu.
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(Yes the touch decodes 96/24 flac natively.)
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And did you try a USB hub between the SBT and the DAC? This is the
default answer for some DACs which don't like direct connect.
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markbrauer wrote:
>
> The problem for me is all my playlists are now displayed in one big
> disorganized list. Even if I could up the limit of playlists to show
> them all, it is impossible to find anything, especially when I con see
> only a few at a time on the small Touch screen.
I think
markbrauer wrote:
> drmatt
>
> Thanks Matt. You gave me an idea. I brought up the Select Digital Output
> screen with the USB cable disconnected. The option to use the USB output
> does not appear. Then I reconnected the cable and the option reappears.
> This indicates to
markbrauer wrote:
> So, I still think that somewhere in the process of firmware and EDO
> installs, uninstalls, and reinstalls, the "bit" that controls the 5 volt
> power on was switched to "off". If this is the case, a powered hub would
> likely "fix" the problem.
>
You could prove this with
Actually when driving a Chromecast audio powered by the SBT (don't ask
me why I did this, but I did), I noted how bloody awful the analogue
output on the USB bus is. Like others have said, really recommend a
*powered* usb hub on the output before connection to anything even
vaguely nice. :)
Indeed, iirc you can choose between "digital-only, 192k" and
"Digi+analogue, 96k", even with the EDO installed. You then need to
reboot the device again.
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Correct, For 192 khz support from the Squeezebox touch you need the EDO
plugin installed and it's digital output only.
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EDO is a plugin, a kernel replacement only nothing more intrusive than
that. You can simply remove it if you don't need it. I'm not aware of
any issues with it (such as screen-off like you suggest), but then I
leave my screen on as a clock..
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Unfortunately I doubt that repair is an option, there is no official
support for it and parts are not easy to come by. Most people are
hoarding working ones to protect against future failures. With some luck
you will find it all lights up just fine with a strong power supply and
it'll work for
I did read it correctly then
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Did I read that linked thread correctly? An external PSU on a SBT
"improved the audio quality" when it's connected to an external DAC?
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I can't find my remotes, they must be exceptionally clean..
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The player displays whatever the station advertises as its accompanying
image, the SBT would likely be a victim of that. You'd at least need to
state which station it is so someone else could check if the image makes
sense.
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It would indeed be more normal for a BDR to have digital audio OUTs than
ins. I found a reference to the connection on the rear being inputs, but
if that isn't what it says in the manual then they are almost certainly
outputs.
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Since when did a blu ray player have an digital INPUT?
(And, you are using the external DAC in your AVR if you use an optical
cable from.the SBT to it..)
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Use an external DAC then it doesn't matter one jot what server you run
it off or what you plug into the USB on the SBT.
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Format it fat32...?
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In other words, i am bang on the money. Your SBT is connected only to
mysb.com and not to your local LMS library. Connect it to your local LMS
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Is it not that it's just connected directly to the internet via
mysqueezebox.com, and therefore is not addressing your local LMS library
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It has to be on the same network segment as your LMS and have
unrestricted access to it, i.e. no firewalls etc etc. Is it possible
your router has changed its IP since the long downtime?
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I don't know what the actual remaining bit depth is when i do it but i
use a SBT analogue out as a pre-amp connected to a small tripath style
class D amp. Normal use the volume slider sits around 30-35, and for fun
it's more like 60%. Sounds fine in a non critical listening environment
in both
I believe it's more like down to -48db or something like that, but yes I
heard this is the case.
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And in my experience genuine SB hardware is much better at achieving
good sync than the software solutions.
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Because it's got nothing to do with a squeezebox touch, per se, i would
agree with you.
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No, i got the Mytek dsd 192 for a good price. They may still have a few
in the Mytek online shop.
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But the difference is there. I tried the Hugo out and it's pretty lovely
sounding. Fortunately it does sound like a genuine improvement over the
SBT own analogue output. I say "fortunately" because it's rather
expensive.
I didn't keep it, however, as i felt it lacked bass solidity compared to
I'm told the SBT implements a transparent digital volume control (I.e.
no scaling artifacts) down to -48db when running into a 24 bit DAC, so
you could in fact use the SBT digital volume with the mojo. But I use a
preamp with analogue volume control.
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Basically unless it's connected via USB2, the DAC is slaved to the SBT,
using EDO or otherwise.
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Yeah the name "asynchronous" seems to usually refer to DACs that support
the USB2 asynchronous audio driver, not the other type that just uses an
independent clock, despite it being arguable that both are a type of
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DACs often reclock, but they have to "tune" their internal clock source
to take account any small variation between it and the incoming data
rate. Unfortunately the act of using a clock that can be tuned tends to
reduce its jitter performance somewhat so the ideal is asynchronous USB,
whereby the
Does it have a link light on your switch.?
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Man in a van wrote:
> Well there is of course no guarentee that any usb dac will work with
> EDO.
>
> Perhaps yours is one of those that only goes up to 7 and not 11 ;)
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UnnpylzUvFW3oi0ip5ghpuWFfDVcufKCn8k54uhqYKQ/edit#gid=0
>
> Ronnie
Yeah, I saw
Man in a van wrote:
> As a refresher I suggest a read of the first post by Triode of this
> thread.
>
> There may be something to be gleaned.
>
> Ronnie.
>
> Also, if you update EDO to v9, Ralphy has made available some of the
> alternative kernels which you may wish to try.:p
Currently
I have a Mytek 192 DSD preamp/DAC and so far it works perfectly in any
SPDIF mode up to 96khz (as long as it's configured to sync to incoming
clock. more on this later), but I get pops and clicks in USB 1 mode via
EDO. It doesn't work at all on its USB 2 port, with or without a USB
hub. In USB 1
Exactly. TPLink is a brand, not a type of device. They offer Powerline
adapters with and without WiFi, they also offer extenders, boosters,
access points, routers, etc..
If your upstairs Powerline includes a WiFi access point built in then
you could indeed configure it and use it. Most don't,
Like all backlights they will die eventually, but well, the thing has to
serve a useful function during its lifetime so
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Sounds like a cool planned setup. But I might just put a SB receiver in
each physical zone and run cat 5 everywhere myself.
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This is only true if the NAS disables power save...
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Turn power saving off?
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It means the DAC dictates the rate of data send, so the DAC syncs to its
own internal clock and "pulls" audio data from the host instead of the
host sending a stream and dictating. Async is likely to be the highest
quality option because the DAC doesn't rely on the PC audio card clock.
Indeed. I didn't get chance to install EDO and test it myself until the
Hugo had to go back unfortunately. I'm sure it works but it has two
modes "generic USB" and "HD USB". I believe only the second supports
asynch but could be wrong.
This is the key to the ultimate quality. I think the driver reports it
if you login to the SBT.
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celo wrote:
> Since I have not used an amp/DAC before I am trying to figure it out how
> to connect. Currently, I connected the Mojo via USB to SBT (EDO).
>
> Yes, (@Man in a van), I connect the 3.5mm cable to the headphone output
> on the Mojo and connect the RCA ends to my amp (no volume on
Man in a van wrote:
> I had a quick skim of the specs and line level output is given as
> "3v"
> still above the normal 2v or so.
Yep, but this is not 100% volume, in the stereophile review he measured
it at getting on for 4.8V.
As per my comment in the new thread, note that full output level is
nearly 4.8V on the mojo, so this might totally blow your amp out the
water. Do not default to 100% anything..
Do you have any way of confirming that EDO is capable of driving the
mojo in asynchronous mode? Plain old synch USB
Am testing the Hugo as I write this. Very impressive. Too many options
and a complete pain in the butt to operate, but excellent sound quality.
I would stick with using the volume on the SBT if that's what you're
used to, and set a static line out volume level on the mojo. Watch out
though as
Xenthar wrote:
> I also wonder what to do with the music system I wanted to have. But
> currently I am exclusively using Linux, if I want something with that, I
> guess I'll write my own software some day to control it. There are also
> reasonably affordable touch screens for the raspPi, that
Xenthar wrote:
> Seriously going to dump that device now, I don't want it anymore.
I'll send a courier round right away..!
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No, that's too annoying, the buttons never show up so you just can't
work the thing you're standing in front of it.. I will look at the
sources..
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Aha, did not find that. That may well be sufficient I will take a look.
Thanks.
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