Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread shiretoko
Hmm you casually skipped the inconvenient part of my post... figures.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Free software foundations problems

2018-02-18 Thread studio
> I really want the lawyer. I don't. I hope I will never need one. > I also clicked on the "analytics" subdirectory because I found it interesting that Google Analytics is part of Chromium. I don't think it is not part of the browser (is it?). As the README says: "The third_party directory

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread ar018
> However I don't see it as anything different from mail lists, i.e. I still see all of the threads inside the particular forum/newsgroup I subscribe to. One difference is that, in mail lists you get the whole mail (header and the body) of each post, whereas in newsreader you get just the

[Trisquel-users] Pretty new..

2018-02-18 Thread hartmansjoerd
So, technical support forum, that's new to me,.. never needed such a thing before, so, thanks! Looking at system requirements for Trisquel, it simply states; a computer built in 2005 and newer. It was bought in 2007, but, I don know how long it had been in stock for example.. First thing on

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread shiretoko
> If you were referring to me, by any chance I wasn’t and I have no idea why you would think that. I never used your name  anywhere - ever. On top of that, I think we barely even talked. So why did you have this thought?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Gnu Linux and Printers

2018-02-18 Thread Mason Hock
Sorry, the package name is 'printer-driver-all', with no 's'.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread Mason Hock
> If you were referring to me Quantum is probably referring to the individual who has made exactly two posts in this forum, the first after joining with the express purpose of cheering on heyjoe, and the second just now doing the same thing. > As for heyjoe's messages, I did upvote a few of

Re: [Trisquel-users] Gnu Linux and Printers

2018-02-18 Thread Mason Hock
Assuming that you are using Trisquel, try installing the metapackage printer-drivers-al, either in a terminal with sudo apt install printer-drivers-all or by searching for it in Synaptic Package Manager. Hopefully the required driver is in there and your printer will start working. If not,

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread fbits
>I disagree and let anybody who cares (probably nobody) judge. I care. I also agree that heyjoe's posts are for the most part defeatist and demotivating. I'm not sure what threat model he is thinking about or what he wants to achieve. This is what I distill from the hundreds of

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread abualomarain
heyjoe if you keep replying the this none sense this thread will keep getting bigger and bigger please stay on topic we want useful info ignore the ignorant thanks

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread Mason Hock
Since I started using mailing lists, I've found them to be far preferable to forums, especially in Trisquel's case. I use procmail to filter incoming mail, and each mailing list is sent to its own mailbox. That alone is enough to make it more convenient than a forum. I can do everything in that

[Trisquel-users] Gnu Linux and Printers

2018-02-18 Thread kiransha678
I am using Linux for the first time. Anybody help me to connect my printer to It. I am in the printing business and I have a lot of work pending. Lexmark Printer Support

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread ar018
> what a coincidence... heyjoe, you sure have a lot of fans here. maybe it was this one guy who suddenly showed up in the other thread just to show his loyality to you...who knows. If you were referring to me, by any chance, I never downvote (seldom upvote) anyone in any forum unless it is

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread msuzuqi
Thank you, this will be good memory. Posting after understanding. Or this is my jelousy. I should train myself instead criticizing other people...

[Trisquel-users] Re : Pretty new..

2018-02-18 Thread lcerf
Your hardware is fine. However, doubling the RAM would not cost much and would make a real difference in the number of Web pages and applications you could simultaneously open. You can test Trisquel's live system before installing.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread ar018
> openSUSE's forum have that too but I haven't explored into it (I still need to learn about how to use NNTP): It is no more difficult than using a POP3 mail reader. All you need to do is; Install a newsreader like Thunderbird[*] (it is a dual purpose software - both mailreader and

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread ar018
> But can NNTP resolve the issue with mail lists sending all the threads (including those one doesn't participate in)? I am not aware of whether subscription resolution can be set down to threads. So far I have always used it in resolution based on "groups" (e.g. trisquel-users). As you

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread studio
Sounds like too much hassle to be honest. A classical simple system for auto subscribing for email notifications for the thread one posts to is much simpler. BTW I have been part of some discussions (IIRC on Google's community groups) in which it was possible to still post by sending an

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread ar018
> Mailing lists are a pain to me. While a bit off-topic, I think this is an important issue to address. AFAIK the best discussion platform is "newsgroups" (NNTP protocol) as a newsreader only downloads the headers of each post, and downloads the message body only when you request so (click

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread msuzuqi
I'm glad. You don't how many experts of various worlds have been ignored me. A few have courage. I have been thinking that it is born temperament. I don't want to think so though... But eigher way, it needs a lot of effort and particulary experience of tying to close death ( by Just

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread ar018
> - Talk in troll lounge Troll lounge has 3 drawbacks for serious debates: 1) Expulsive naming; 2) Not mirrored to list archives; (I don't know whether there is a mailing list for it in the first place) 3) Cream gets mixed up with the crop. > - Ask someone to create separate general

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread studio
I have absolutely no idea. I don't use these +/- buttons at all. It is a silly function to me.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread ar018
It is all OK. Don't worry and feel yourself at home please.

[Trisquel-users] Re : Free software foundations problems

2018-02-18 Thread lcerf
I don't think it is not part of the browser (is it?). They are like embedded dependencies. "third_party" contains 3,726,248 lines of codes, according to 'sloccount'. They are not included for nothing.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread studio
I agree too. So what shall we do? - Talk in troll lounge - Stop talking - Ask someone to create separate general tech-talk forum ?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread studio
> 2) Not mirrored to list archives; (I don't know whether there is a mailing list for it in the first place) Mailing lists are a pain to me. It seems when I am subscribed I get all the messages, even those from threads I am not taking part in. This is spammy. I would rather prefer it like

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread ar018
> Although I guess there is a slight atmosphere of when one missed a shot of jest... I believe that has deep meaning as his usual way... But what is sewing? 誰か古株がツッコミ入れる所なんじゃないの? or was it my misreading? Dear MSuzuqi San, It was an innocent joke (jest, humor). Sewing is when you mend a

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread studio
openSUSE's forum have that too but I haven't explored into it (I still need to learn about how to use NNTP): https://forums.opensuse.org/faq.php?faq=novfor#faq_nntp Perhaps that could be part of the request (if one is to be made). I am not quite sure how this site is maintainted though. A

Re: [Trisquel-users] Testing The Trisquel 8 Upgrade Process

2018-02-18 Thread devin
> A warning for those using the "Ubuntu toolchain PPA" would be good in Trisquel 8's release notes, I guess. I ran into similar issues as you describe for different PPA's I think a warning for any PPA's should be given. As for me, I read the risks beforehand, but I was too lazy to head the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread msuzuqi
I was just caring about "if this is miss shot...". Really. So I am not offende, Perfectly. But I don't still understand well that. But I can understand later probably. I hasten to send this. I did really care about it. You do understand that atmosphere? やっぱ書かなきゃ良かったよ( ' ^ ' )

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread shiretoko
And now all of my and MBs posts got exactly one downvote, and all of heyjoes replies got exactly one upvote... what a coincidence... heyjoe, you sure have a lot of fans here. maybe it was this one guy who suddenly showed up in the other thread just to show his loyality to you...who knows.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread ar018
> A classical simple system for auto subscribing for email notifications for the thread one posts to is much simpler. Being a protocol, it is not possible to embed custom / arbitrary logic into NNTP. It is so with any protocol. Web based forums can include any number of convenience logic,

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread ar018
I believe the main underlying reason of frictions is that trisquel-users is rather a community support and advocacy sub-forum. Technical debates in such a forum comes across as out of context, or inappropriate. The solution is already proposed by mason (and I agree 100%) in this message:

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread studio
Thanks for explaining the technicalities. But can NNTP resolve the issue with mail lists sending all the threads (including those one doesn't participate in)? If not - then it probably has value only as an optimized version of lists rather than UX improvement.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Testing The Trisquel 8 Upgrade Process

2018-02-18 Thread igorfree
I've been trying to follow the instructions by jxself to create a VM with Trisquel 7. Wanted to try out the netinstall .iso. This failed however: "the installer failed to download a file from the mirror. This may be a problem with your network, or with the mirror." It gave me the option to

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread msuzuqi
If she realized what is it, she will escape from me. That is always their one of main intentions.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread studio
Thanks. I already configured it in claws mail. However I don't see it as anything different from mail lists, i.e. I still see all of the threads inside the particular forum/newsgroup I subscribe to. Perhaps it won't be quite different from what we already have here?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread ar018
And actually why wouldn't you want to get the headers of threads you are not participating in? Possibly because you draw analogy between newsgroup messages and emails? If the "unwanted" messages were emails, then I would have thought the same way. But they are just headers. Their existence

Re: [Trisquel-users] Can't boot Trisquel 8 from USB

2018-02-18 Thread Mason Hock
> sounds like the standard 'dd' approach doesn't work? With the December ISO neither dd nor Startup Disk Creator worked for me. With the previous ISO from last summer, SDC did not work but dd did. When I have a chance to back up by files I'll try installing with the new ISO.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Free software foundations problems

2018-02-18 Thread studio
> If you know something I don't though, feel free. I haven't used chromium too much... to be honest. Then you should not assume what others say/recommend but test for yourself. I have tested and I have found that out of the box both Chromium and Firefox-based browsers contact third party

[Trisquel-users] Antwort: Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread shiretoko
"persistent peepers" て何ですか? 意味分かりません。

Re: [Trisquel-users] Voxware MetaSound works!

2018-02-18 Thread greatgnu
There's nothing a recent version of mpv can't play. Best player bar none :)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread studio
> I actually wrote two scripts to help you You are not helping me but the community. I am not a helpless person asking for your help. > In contrast, the only "advice" from you is "create your own network, completely isolated from the Internet" That is the only valid answer to the OP's

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread studio
Perhaps because of the parts full of wonderful and polite communication of useful information.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread studio
No, I am not. That "here" is something you tailored from different parts of my post, again - extracting a detail and missing the whole and turning it into something else. Ok, enough. Stay on topic please. That is not helpful to anyone.

[Trisquel-users] Re : Free software foundations problems

2018-02-18 Thread lcerf
Unclear to who? Some lawyer? Seems pretty clear to me. Do you really want a lawyer to tell you what software to use? Or a layman who fails to understand legal terms? I really want the lawyer. The layman may be somebody who believes he understands everything after looking at one single

[Trisquel-users] Re : Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread lcerf
Lol.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Can't boot Trisquel 8 from USB

2018-02-18 Thread enduzzer
The latest greatest February 16 ISO won't boot from USB. DVD boots but there's a big wait until it lands on TTY Login. This is what I get on my HP Probook.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread hartmansjoerd
Sure there is; doves and pigeons! Although there's a chance nature might still loose your message by actions of hawks and eagles.. although you could try to solve that by sending an armed drone as it's escort.. I guess relativity indicates 100% is impossible.. There's just no (hu)man-made

[Trisquel-users] Re : Kernel Panic Using Virt-Manager on Trisquel and libreboot

2018-02-18 Thread lcerf
I very much doubt the problem relates to a bug in the CPU. Just knowing the kernel "panics", how can you tell?

[Trisquel-users] Re : Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread lcerf
Meanwhile he himself is actually discouraging any exploration into anything different from the established pattern of "say free software and don't look any further". (...) I am not the one who puts words in other people's mouth You are. Here for instance.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread ar018
> Identify what threats there are and which ones can and cannot be addressed, how to address the ones that can and what is missing to address the ones that can't. Stress the importance of doing what is possible while acknolwedging current limitations. This sums it up better than I or

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread ar018
> a perfect multilingual blonde... I have a vague hunch that you might be referring to a lady/maid? > some first-class skills... Linux knowledge is not needed - you can teach her Cooking is done by various eateries outside Dishes and laundry are left to machines Cleaning and ironing are

Re: [Trisquel-users] Can't boot Trisquel 8 from USB

2018-02-18 Thread oemb1905
I could not get the 2-17-18 .iso to boot from USB or from DVD ... I am now using an .iso from January from jenkins and it works fine. I should be able to apt upgrade up to the new changes right?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Free software foundations problems

2018-02-18 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
Also, putting security and privacy aside, you might be interested on helping with evaluating Chromium and other things based on it ([1]), we are really short on human resources for that. After the main evaluation is done, you can perhaps contribute to other project teams in the FSD so that the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread studio
> you just did some tcpdumps, which provided some nice info, That "just" is what nobody else did and it is not based on "helpful" articles and recommendations. > but you make it sound as if you revolutionized the whole webbrowser market... Where do you read any claims of that? Please

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a perfect method to guard our communication?

2018-02-18 Thread shiretoko
> heyjoe is the person who showed something practical in investigating and improving security of web browsers. you just did some tcpdumps, which provided some nice info, but you make it sound as if you revolutionized the whole webbrowser market... > heyjoe is the person who showed

Re: [Trisquel-users] Kernel Panic Using Virt-Manager on Trisquel and libreboot

2018-02-18 Thread tplaten
That is a bug in the CPU. The only solution for this us using a different CPU. The Vikings D16 and the Talos II do not have that problem.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Can't boot Trisquel 8 from USB

2018-02-18 Thread tplaten
sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade sudo sh -c "echo 'deb https://dl.ring.cx/ring-nightly/ubuntu_16.04/ ring main' > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ring-nightly-main.list" sudo apt-key adv --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys A295D773307D25A33AE72F2F64CD5FA175348F84 sudo apt-get update && sudo

Re: [Trisquel-users] Can't boot Trisquel 8 from USB

2018-02-18 Thread tplaten
I had the same problem with my libreboot machine so I had to burn a DVD. Startup Disk Creator only works with BIOS/UEFI. After installing Trisquel I installed GNU Ring.