Hi jxself, I find your response interesting. So, you're saying the concept of
'cloud computing' is fundamentally incompatible with free software, because
we don't have control of software that is running on another person's
computer?
But, I often see web-based e-mail services, such as
Hi! Yes, I mean the latter - an external service similar to AWS, where I
could rent access to cloud computing hardware for hosting a website or web
application.
You don't think any of the options on the page I linked are fully compatible
with free software? Why is that?
Sorry, this is the link:
http://101.datascience.community/2013/06/07/open-source-alternatives-to-aws/
(Damn, I'm always doing that!)
Hey, I'm just wondering if anyone can recommend a good free-software
alternative to Amazon Web Services? I did a quick DuckDuckGo, which turned up
this list here, which looks promising (it says 'open source', but most appear
to be free software):
Hi alimiracle, thank you for the offer, that's very kind of you. Although,
from other discussions I've had, it seems that GlassFish may not be what I
need after all. Thanks again though :-)
I installed the package in the Trisquel repository and, as far as I can tell,
it seems to be Java EE 5. So, perhaps the Debian package is out of date (and
has been carried downstream to Trisquel)?
I think for now I'll probably just go with the download from the GlassFish
website.
Hmm. According to the Wikipedia page, GlassFish 5.0 was released on 21st
September 2017 and is compatible with Java EE 8. Unless I'm reading the
package version wrongly ... but, that Debian page you linked says it is
compatible with Java EE 5, which seems pretty old, if the current version
The latest version appears to be licensed under the GPL.
It seems that, even in the Flidas repository, the version of GlassFish that
is included is extremely old. The version of the 'glassfish-javaee' package
is given as 1:2.1.1. I'm not actually sure if that means version 1 or 2, but
the most recent version is 5, which was released last year.
Using smartmontools to read the 'SMART status' of the HDD, it seemed to be
fine. I also ran a short self test on it and that checkout out fine. So, I
copied the root filesystem to a different partition and it now seems to be
running much better. I guess it just needed re-formating ..
Ok thanks. One other question though: if I back up the root partition into a
tar archive, will that preserve the file/folder ownerships and permissions?
Ok, thanks for your advice, Magic Banana. I will give that a try, although I
am using LXDE, so I'm not sure if that same option will be in there. It's a
second-hand laptop that is a few years old, so it is quite possible that the
HDD is old and may be defective.
So, if the hard disk checks
I seem to be having some problems with my root filesystem, and I'm wondering
if someone could give me some advice?
I have my root filesystem on a separate partition to my home filesystem on my
laptop. Over the past few days, I seem to keep running into an issue where
certain things I'm
God, my html skills are truly terrible. How do I quote some html code,
without it being interpreted? Arg!
Yes, sorry, I keep doing this ...
I thought that www.link.com should give a hyperlink to that address, but it
doesn't. Unfortunately, it seems that it is also not possible to edit a post
on the forum here, unless it is a reply to someone else's post (which both of
my earlier posts
Right, exactly. That statement is the equivalent of saying that they want
front door lock manufacturers to give them a skeleton key to someone's house,
if they ask for it. Why should data that is stored on my electronic device
have any different legal status than data that is stored in a
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/blocked-passwords-fbi-can-t-unlock-over-half-devices-seized-n836091
I believe strongly that the law needs to be enforced (as long as those laws
are just and reasonable). If the law enforcement agencies have a reasonable
suspicion that a
Damn, this keeps on happening. And it seems there's no way I can edit the
original post ... link:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/blocked-passwords-fbi-can-t-unlock-over-half-devices-seized-n836091
Trisquel uses Gitlab for its own development, which apparently is on an 'open
source' license and seems to work with LibreJS enabled.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GitLab
I'm happy to do some more testing on this, if further testing of the upgrade
process is needed. However, I have a question:
What is the best way to log the output of apt-get? I would think the logs of
'apt-get upgrade' and 'apt-get dist-upgrade' would be invaluable when it
comes to
> I imagine the driving thing behind that is the young people of today
seeming to live inside the web browser and deeming everything outside of it
to be verboten.
As I suggested in my post above, your average web user is inherently
impatient and munches on web pages like candy. A casual
I think there are several reasons why mailing lists are less accessible to
new users than a forum. The sorts of users I am thinking of here are less
computer-savvy users than you or me (or most free-software supporters). I
would think that an 'average' internet user has at least some
This is a great reply - thank you for providing these details. Yes, I agree
that Spectre seems to be a big concern for free computing. Does anyone know
what the implications may be for the EOMA68 project? I assume POWER9 isn't
affected, as I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere?
I had problems with that package when I upgraded from Trisquel 7 to 8 as
well.
I think the best thing that can come out of this mess is an increased drive
to develop viable alternatives to Intel/x86.
It might be worth the OP checking the config settings for the Trisquel
kernel, to see if the voltage/frequency scaling features are enabled. If not,
that might be part of the reason that the machine is running hotter under
Triqsuel. Although, I would think those things should be enabled, if
Any changes to those files are not going to persist when you reboot the
machine. The /sys directory is populated/refreshed by the kernel during boot,
to provide info about the underlying hardware to userspace processes.
I was going to suggest adding some commands to one of the init scripts,
I don't think there should be too much concern about 'frying' the PC. There
should be a thermal cut-out that will immediately shut the power off if the
machine gets too hot. When I bought my Macbook 2,1 off of Ebay, the fan
wasn't working at all and, after 20 mins or so of use, the temps
From what I read in the news articles, it sounds like the issue is a flaw in
the chip design, which can't be simply fixed by updating the microcode. In
which case, the only way that Intel can fix it is with a new chip design,
which will almost certainly include their horrible Management
Oh, that laptop has 2 fans? I've only got 1 in mine. Were they both running
previously? That might explain why they were running at a lower rpm, if
you've got two to help with the airflow. I don't see why you shouldn't be
able to do the same thing with the second fan to increase the speed.
Also, you can try doing something more intensive, such as compiling something
using multiple cores or playing a video or game. If you do that, does the fan
speed increase to help manage the temperature? If not, again, that probably
suggests that the controller is not doing its job well,
Yes. Just replace the 0 with a 1 and that puts it into manual mode. Then, you
can manually change the demanded fan speed by editing fan1_output in the same
way. I suggest upping it to around 5800 to see if that helps bring the temps
down.
What do you get if you type:
cat fan1_output
and
cat fan1_input
when the machine is running hot?
fan1_manual will be set to 0 by default, as it will be in 'auto' control
mode. I tried setting it to 1 with:
sudo echo 1 > fan1_manual
but that didn't work for some reason. However, I was
Ok. Is that when the machine is running hot, under load? If so, then that
would suggest to me that the controller is not good, because it is not
demanding the max rpm when the machine is hot.
Try setting the fan speed to 5800 manually and see if that brings the
temperature down.
cd = change directory. You can change the working directory to that folder by
typing:
cd /sys/devices/platform/applesmc.768
Then, you should be able to view the values in the fan1_input and fan1_output
files that I mentioned, to see more details of what the fan is doing. With,
for
Ok. Is the fan getting up to the max rpm when the machine is hot? In the hot
condition, what are the values of fan1_output and fan1_input in the directory
I gave in the post below?
This article in PC World provides some interesting details:
https://www.pcworld.com/article/3245606/security/intel-x86-cpu-kernel-bug-faq-how-it-affects-pc-mac.html
It seems like the kernel developers are keeping the details under wraps until
they get the fix released; however, the article
What is the fan speed showing as? (and what max. is shown with the 'sensors'
command?)
In the news today:
https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/03/a-major-kernel-vulnerability-is-going-to-slow-down-all-intel-processors-2/
It seems that a serious flaw has been discovered in Intel chips, which allows
userspace processes to potentially access kernel memory areas that are
supposed to be
I've been going through Linux From Scratch myself and I highly recommend it.
It gives a great level of insight into how GNU/Linux is constructed; how to
configure and compile source code; and how to build your own custom Linux
kernel. I found it also brings a level of appreciation for the
btw, the 'sensors' command should also print what the min and max fan rpm
settings are.
4000 rpm sounds a bit low to me. If your system is set up like mine, the
folder /sys/devices/platform/applesmc.768 should contain some files that
provide info and configuration options for the fan and sensors. For example,
if I cd to that folder and type:
cat fan1_max
it prints '6200',
If you have 'lm-sensors' installed, then just typing 'sensors' in any
terminal prompt should show you the temperatures and fan speed. If not, then
there may be a PATH issue.
What does the fan speed show as if you use the 'sensors' command (with the
lm-sensors package)? If the machine is hot and the fan speed is very low or
zero then, if upgrading the kernel doesn't improve it, it's possible that
your fan may be faulty. I believe they can be replaced - I got a
Good idea :-D
Ok, thanks, I hadn't considered SFTP, but it sounds like a good option to
try.
Interesting. I wonder why they would run hotter under Trisquel than Parabola?
I assume Parabola uses the same Linux-libre kernel that Trisquel does.
Perhaps it's a kernel version thing? With Paraboala's rolling distribution,
it's probably using a newer kernel than Trisquel and maybe they've
Thanks for your advice, Magic Banana. I'm actually using PCManFM though on
the laptop (LXDE). I'm ok with having different Home directories on the two
machines, as I'll need the laptop to have its own one anyway for when I'm
travelling and may be without internet. Maybe I'll try the SSH
This is interesting. I use a Macbook 2,1, which is compatible with Libreboot,
although my wife has a later Macbook Pro, which I have not attempted to
install GNU/Linux on (yet!).
I think the big question is whether the onboard controller that manages the
temperature sensors and fan has a
Something else you can try is creating the live USB using dd, rather than one
of the live USB creator tools. There are instructions for how to do it on
this page:
https://askubuntu.com/questions/372607/how-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive-from-terminal
(note that it regrettably
I have a desktop PC that I want to convert to Trisquel. It's currently
running Ubuntu and I've been meaning to convert to Trisquel for some time.
However, I also have a laptop, so I'm thinking of setting up the Home
partition on the desktop as a Network File System, so I can access it with
That is true. Although, as I've said before, mailing lists have their uses
but function very differently to forums. Not everyone wants every post to be
sent to their mail Inbox and in my opinion mailing lists are less accessible
to newer or more casual users/visitors.
I like it. Simple and makes it clear it's a forum.
There is a Trisquel wiki page here about the Macbook, which has some useful
advice:
https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/macbook
In my experience, Trisquel's ISOs don't boot directly on the Apple firmware.
So, you will probably need to install something like Ubuntu/Lubuntu first
(using their
Hi alimiracle - yes, great idea! As I was saying in this thread, I really
feel like the free software community is lacking a central discussion hub,
where new and existing ideas can be discussed openly and people who are new
to free software (or even those that don't agree with it) can be
Your post doesn't do anything to address or refute the claims that Mason
made. Purism have a track record of being misleading when it comes to
marketing their hardware and their misguided efforts are damaging to the free
software movement.
Free computing with modern hardware isn't going to
Yes, I have done that. I also tried smplayer and that didn't work for
streaming either. Actually, when I try to stream, some sort of error flashes
past on the input line, but it's so quick I can't read it. Is there some way
I can output that, or does it get logged somewhere?
> Unfortunately, I now have to “press S to skip mounting” during startup.
I don't understand this part. Surely you have to mount your single partition
during boot, otherwise how can you boot anything?
Also, you say that you expanded the boot partition to fill the whole hard
disk. In that
I am using it and it works. Ergo, it 'exists'. I did not state in which form
it exists.
I was probably expecting too much for this virtualization approach to work on
my laptop (Core 2 Duo Macbook 2,1 with only 1GB of RAM). I tried the 'Try
Trisquel Without Installing' option from the ISO and it did try to boot up in
Qemu, but it was unusably slow.
Is it possible to boot up
Yes - I have done so on my Macbook. I made a post providing some of the
details of it here. It wasn't completely smooth, but you might find it goes
more smoothly now some more package have been fixed. Good luck! :-)
I don't seem to be able to stream vids with mps-youtube and I'm not quite
sure what the problem is. Downloading and playing videos separately with mpv
works fine. When I try to stream, I get a bunch of Python errors. I've tried
re-installing the Python packages that seem relevant, but it
I'm using it right now and it works. So, I am not sure what definition you
are using for 'doesn't exist' .. ;-)
Ditto. I don't have any choice at work but to use the laptop they give me,
unfortunately ... :-(
They have to fill it with all their corporate spyware, to make sure I am
being a 'good boy'.
> Then, you have to make sure that the file
/var/cache/pbuilder/flidas-amd64-base.tgz has been created.
It doesn't look like it was. Hmm ... what do I do now?
Hi gnutastyc,
Thanks for the info. I downloaded that diff you pointed to and patched
trisquel-builder and it seems to be working better now. Yes, I would think
that fixing the package builder should be a high priority, if it isn't
working properly.
I haven't actually been to any of the
I'm interested to try to lend a hand with fixing some package helpers, to try
to do what I can to contribute to getting Trisquel 8 ready for release, but I
have a couple of questions:
1) Why is the HEAD of the trisquel-helpers git repository pointing to the
'belenos' branch? Isn't flidas
I'm writing this on Trisquel 8 right now - it's completely useable (although
perhaps not quite stable enough yet to be formally released).
I managed to solve the authentication issues by simply re-installing the
'Trisquel-Keyring' package. New packages are now authenticating fine with
Flidas. However, if the keys had been updated, shouldn't that have prompted a
package upgrade?
Ok, thanks for your advice, Magic Banana. I will try the latest kernel and
see if that trackpad driver is any better. Failing that, is it possible to
'transplant' a kernel module from an earlier kernel version into a newer one?
I had originally intended to use the shared /boot partition to simplify
things, so I could use the same kernel and grub.cfg to boot up both systems.
But, that doesn't seem to work, because Trisquel uses an initramfs and LFS
doesn't. So, my /boot partition is becoming a bit of a mess of
Well, I have some complications, because I have Trisquel 8 and a Linux From
Scratch system that I am booting on the same laptop, so I want to have a
separate /boot partition.
I don't like grub-mkconfig either ... it usually just makes a mess of
everything :-(
I renamed and moved the update-initramfs binary, then replaced it with a
short script that removes the old image first and then runs the relocated
tool for the running kernel version. Seems to do the trick! :)
I seem to be having some problems with automatic initramfs updates when I
install/upgrade certain packages via Synaptic.
Firstly: I have a newer 4.8.0 Trisquel 8 kernel installed, but I didn't like
it (the trackpad driver seems worse), so I've gone back to using the 3.13.0
kernel from
I agree. Things have changed a lot since 1999 (Intel ME, for example). With
all the compromised chips flying around these days, free hardware is
extremely important, otherwise there won't be any free software/firmware any
more ..
You can type the commands in any terminal window. XTerm should do.
Yes, this is really silly. If people have a customer grievance, then they
should really take it up in private.
It's not healthy for the free-software community to be backbiting each other
like this :-(
Does anyone know what is special about an 'amd64+mac' ISO anyway, compared to
a regular 'amd64' ISO?
In that case, you may have to try the Sugar or Netinstall versions mentioned
below, or look at replacing the DVD drive and then boot from that:
(I don't know if this is the exact macbook you have - you might have to
search ifixit)
He mentioned in the first post that his DVD drive doesn't work. In which
case, he may have to try the Sugar or Netinst versions.
Another option could be to replace the DVD drive? I'm sure a replacement
could be found.
My Synaptic is telling me that there are a load of packages that can be
upgraded for Trisquel 8. However, when I 'mark all upgrades' and then
'apply', it tells me that it's going to have to install 154 new packages,
including some that seem a bit strange (e.g. upstart, which is listed as a
I had a similar problem installing Trisquel on my Macbook. Unfortunately,
Trisquel doesn't seem to provide an 'amd64+mac' ISO, which is required to
boot on Intel macs. If you have a Macbook that supports Libreboot, my advice
is to firstly install Lubuntu (which does have an amd64+mac ISO);
What I don't understand about this net neutrality thing is, how is it that
this can be imposed unilaterally by a simple vote by FCC members? I would
have thought that enacting or repealing a US national regulation would have
to be voted on in Congress ...
Yes, this is very serious and we need to do everything we can. Two important
links are:
Save The Internet
Battle for the Net
Everyone should look at those.
1. Sign the petition
2. Call your congressional representatives and/or FCC Commissioners directly
3. Take part in the ‘Break the
I tried what I mentioned about last night and it booted up fine, with all the
modules. Although, the behaviour of my laptop trackpad seems to have changed.
Now the region on the RHS that does vertical scrolling has widened by about
3-4 times, which is really annoying.
Perhaps the driver
It looks like linux-firmware is only a dependency of linux-image-lowlatency
for Flidas. It wasn't for Belenos. Perhaps you could try installing one of
the version-specific lowlatency images (i.e.
linux-image-4.8.0-58-lowlatency). Those don't list the firmware package as a
dependency. I
Ok, thank you for these details - this is all very interesting :)
Ok, thanks jxself. It seems that I had some misconception about how the
firmware/bootloader interact. So, it sounds like the main differences between
BIOS and UEFI are in the services they provide after the hardware is
initialized (which in Libreboot is determined by the payload)?
So, am I
Well spotted. File it as a bug! :)
Are there any laptops available that work with Libreboot that use AMD
processors?
Ok, thanks :)
Ok, will do. Where can I find the bug-tracker?
I don't know if you saw it, but I made a bloggy post a couple of days ago
about upgrading from Trisquel 7 to 8 on my Macbook laptop:
Upgrading to Trisquel 8
I ran into problems with some packages breaking, but was able to get the
upgrade to work in the end.
Thanks for answering my question, Leah, although I don't think that was quite
what I was getting at. As I understand it, there are two firmware
'paradigms': BIOS and EFI, which are quite different in the way they work.
So, I am wondering if the Libreboot firmware is more similar to BIOS or
This sounds promising, if it is true. However, as I understand it, such a
move does not necessarily mean that they will cooperate with allowing free
firmware to be ported to it, or that there won't be other issues, like
requirements for signed microcode.
Yay! Trisquel is saved!! :-D
It seems that, for the most part, Trisquel 8 is working and available, for
those that want it. I guess we just need to polish out a few remaining issues
and get the word out there then?
One comment I have is that it doesn't really 'look' that much different to
Belenos. For example, it
So, I've fiddled about a bit more and I seem to have gotten it working (sort
of). I am now booted in and writing this on Trisquel 8, using LXDE. Woo hoo!
:-D
To fix it, I booted into single-user mode. When I ran `sudo apt-get check`,
there was a list of broken package dependencies. Not
I'm hoping that the upgrade would have removed Upstart and installed Systemd,
but if not then that might be behind some of the booting confusion.
I actually didn't bother with apt-get upgrade and went straight for
dist-upgrade and it seems to have removed some packages that weren't present
No, unfortunately not. I really want to use LXDE, so if it's got broken
dependencies then I'll have to figure out how to fix those packages ;-)
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