DAVEH: Do you suppose enduring to the end of TT would qualify!
;-)
ShieldsFamily wrote:
No. You
must endure to the end in
Christ. Enduring to the end in JSmith doesnt cut it. Sorry. Iz
DAVEH: I appreciate your
concern for my eternal
welfare, Izzy.
Terry, I agree with you. I dont
know anyone under the law except my Jewish friends. Izzy
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John on the
Say goodnight Flipper.
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Your allegation was that we can only
obey God and
Only to condemn those who heard the truth but did not heed it.
Iz
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DAVEH: Do you suppose enduring to the
IFF God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), then
He most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly do
mean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need be
present enabling one to be superior to another.
Do you, David, see this as
I'm recommending a weekend workshop for you two and, for CPL and DaveH. I've
not yet decided what it shall be called but, it will have something to do
with the expressions: 'Oh ya , did not' and, 'liar, liar pants on fire'.
It's posts like these that almost (I said 'almost') begin to make me
Jt says:'It's not'. Now, since David saw fit to
intrude prior to your response, it's be good to have him comment on your
response. DAVID, IS THIS ESSENTIALLY YOUR POSITION? Please answere yes or
no.
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
There never was a 'plan B' with God. It never was:
first Law (oops, didn't work)then Grace.This is really rather important as
it says something about the sort of God we serve.
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Do you agree or disagree AND who is calling whom a "dolphin" - will Perry caution you as well? Will the sun, soon to shine, raise its magnificanceon honesty and forthrightnesss? Time will tell.
JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:
Terry have you ever done a study of the teachings of
your Savior? If so, I am sure you found that they are all rooted in the Old
Testament God's statutes, testimonies, and
commandments have not changed because He has not changed (Mal 3:6). Paul
wrote "Do we then nullify the law through
Judy believes that walking in love fulfills the Law and
when we obey the gospel and walk in love toward otherswe establish the law
(Romans 3:31). When we speak evil of the law we put ourselves in the
position of judging God's Law
(James 4:11). We shall be judged by the Law of
Liberty which
JD What is the law of the Spirit of Life in
Christ?
What is the law of sin and death?
How do they differ? jt
On Mon, 30 May 2005 23:29:40 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
She IS speaking of the Mosaical Law. Read her posts,
sometime. JDFrom: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Terry will have his answer to this, one that I very interested in seeing.Christ public ministry was to the Jews -- thus the phrase "to the Jew first and then to the Gentiles." Christ lived and died under the the Old Testament - he being the author of the New Testament. The Hebrews
I have dealt with the issue. You have chosen to ignore the somewhat exegetical reply as it regarded comments on theGalatian texts.Your question below speaks of Ommandents, Statues, and Judgments. All that in the Ten Commandments? What is included by you in this wording?
Jd-Original
Lance wrote:
It's posts like these that almost (I said 'almost') begin
to make me think that I'M worth reading.
You are right, Lance. I'm sorry for defending myself. The floor is yours.
I have disqualified myself.
David.
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with
kyle mengel wrote:
Divisive topic or Divine truth ?
=
In my humble opinion, divisive topic. This is not true of all the
Bible versions by a long shot, but in this particular case, we have
numerous other passages that
DM offers Lance the 'floor'. Lance, having been given the floor, reminds DM
that the operative word in his very own post was 'almost'. I defer to you
Mr. Moderator.
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Do you agree or disagree AND who is calling whom a "dolphin"
In order to qualify for dolphinhood, you must not only be able to think
and learn. You must have a nose like a bottle.
You refer to Romans 8:2. You need to be careful, here, Judy, not to have Paul in Romans contradicting Paul in Galatians. Romans 8:2 is to be considered along with the larger context and (especially) vers 3. If you look to verse three, you will discover that the Law's weakness (our fleshly
the issue of
'discipleship' is at the core and crossroads of numerous issues on the TT table;
e.g.,
the
observation, below, is accurate in its NT context but 'following' JC today
requires redefining discipleship per se...it's not that the NT fails to
make this point; Jesus himself
Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB)1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT"stupid son of a whore."
NJB and MSG"son of a rebellious slut"
Another beauty:
TLB1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet."
Then of course their is the New World translation
Judy Taylor wrote:
Terry have you ever done a study of the
teachings of your Savior? If so, I am sure you found that they are all
rooted in the Old Testament God's
statutes, testimonies, and commandments have not changed because He has
not changed (Mal 3:6). Paul wrote "Do we then
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Dave
Hansen
To:
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May 31, 2005 09:11
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DAVEH: The problem as I see it, who is the arbiter of truth on TT,
Izzy. Is there anybody
Judy Taylor wrote:
You refer to the Levitical Law which was
nailed to the cross Terry; I am speaking of sin which transgresses
God's moral law and when we continually
choose to practice this (whether or not we have said our
words) God's Law judges us.Satan's hands are tied so long
DH: Is there anybody here you would say expounds nothing but truth?
Maybe we could get the "prophet" online?FOURTEEN FUNDAMENTALS IN FOLLOWING THE PROPHETBYELDER Ezra Taft BensonFirst: The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything. http://www.lds-mormon.com/fourteen.shtml
BUT
jdmust have had another attack of TYPOglycemia, It has now progressed to MEMORYglycemia!
John wrote: The fact of the matter is this: you can never presenta post in which you copied my words. That is the fact of the matter. That is not the fact of the matter, that is the lie of the matter. I
Is "corrected edition of the Inspired Version" an oxymormon?
Just some more foolishness from the Church of Satan's brotherCharles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is "corrected edition of the Inspired Version" an oxymormon?From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To:
RECOMMENDATION 666?How about that?
Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Bible Prophecy - The Omega Letter - News Current Events
Date:
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kyle mengel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
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The
Exactly right. The only way to be under
the law is by trying to keep the law w/o Christor by walking in
the flesh (Self) instead of in Christ. The moral laws in the OT are
the same moral laws of the NT. They never changed. But when we are
in Christ we realize that the written OT laws are
You guys do not realize it, but you come across the way the Pharisees and scholars of Jesus day questioned Jesus.
They are the "Ministers of Questions" 1 Tim 1:4David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lance wrote: Warn people not to respond.I did not warn her not to respond. I asked her to be
Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant
but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo
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Deegan
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Quiz
What would you like?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
May I ask you to enlarge on this brief description? I'd write this in Dutch but, I don't have to thanks to you.
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Good analogy, Judy. Bernouli's Lawis one law (Lift)
operating over and above another (Gravity). I remember that from my hot
air ballooning days. Iz
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On Tue, 31 May 2005 09:36:07 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You refer to Romans 8:2. You need to be careful, here, Judy,
not to have Paul in Romans contradicting Paul in Galatians. Romans 8:2 is to be considered along with the
larger context and (especially) vers
3. If you
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Do you agree or disagree AND who is calling
Name, rank, serial # (just kidding, sort of)
Service details.
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ShieldsFamily wrote:
Exactly
right. The only way to be under
the law is by trying to keep the law w/o Christor by walking in
the flesh (Self) instead of in Christ. The moral laws in the OT are
the same moral laws of the NT. They never changed. But when we are
in Christ
I sincerely appreciate your time and comments. Well putand something to think about.
JD-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 07:37:56 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit
the issue of
Whew !! -- I have a rather cute littlenasal facade so call me Ralph or Barry, anything but Flipper !!!
-Original Message-From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 08:32:38 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the
I will bow to Terry's presentation, here.And a better job that I cando with the same number of words (.."number of words .." nay).
-Original Message-From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 09:20:29 -0500Subject: Re:
Romans 8:4 is not talking about a righteousness that comes from obeying the Law, whether with the Spirit or otherwise. Rather, it is talking about a righteousness that is atributed to us because of the events of the Inacarnation and the cross. How do I know?
(a) Because this the the very point
There is the question you are avoiding. do you think God enables us to become gods unto ourselves?
Simple question. I have no desire to debate this -- but I would like to know hwere you statd on the point.
JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:
In Jesus Day, it meant the whole Old Law. Probably meant that in Moses day, as well.
JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:04:44 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit
Please
In Jesus Day, it meant the whole Old Law. Probably meant that in Moses day, as well.
JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:04:44 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit
Please
Sure I did. Beats what your in reply -- ignore, ignore, ignore. The best that I can do in a sccinct way is Romans 8:5. Walking in the Spirit has to do with where your mindis. Walking in the fless -- ditto.
JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]comTo: [EMAIL
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]Judy, Judy,
Judy! If you have never been under the law, you cannot fall back to
it.
jt: Never said I was ever under the Levitical Law and
am not falling back to anything Terry.
Study the two laws given us by Jesus. Try to find one
On Tue, 31 May 2005 16:42:15 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Romans 8:4 is not talking about a righteousness that comes from obeying
the Law, whether with the Spirit or otherwise. Rather, it is talking
about a righteousness that is atributed to us because of
the events of the
I agree, Izzy, and by now you should know that the Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-day Saints teaches enduring to the end IN CHRIST--only. You have
unfortunately fallenunder the very bad influence
ofthoseblind guideswho teach the traditions and
commandments of men, mixed with a few select
JD do you believe it possible to walk after the Spirit
with the mind stayed on Monty Python and Bob Dylan?
Just wondering how well you understand the concept and
if you have the mind of Christ . jt
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Sure I did. Beats
NO! duh.
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There is the question you are avoiding. do
Doesnt mean you are exempt from obeying
it. Righteousness comes from the indwelling Presence, which has a by-product
in our lives of obedience to ALL that God willsspringing from the inner (new)
heart. Izzy
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Please dont quote B.M. to me. It means
nothing as it was written by a crafty, adulterous man named Joseph Smith. Izzy
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How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo
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From: Kevin Deegan
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What is your point?
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Name, rank, serial # (just kidding, sort of) Service details.
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neither do they desire that she should rule over them. (BoM, Mosiah 8:20-21)
Who is SHE?
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I agree, Izzy, and by now you should know that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches enduring to the end IN CHRIST--only. You have unfortunately fallenunder the
ON JOE SMITH:
I found him to be very illiterate and impudent desperado in morals, but, at the same time, he had a vast fund of low cunning.
Peter Cartwright THE BACKWOODS PREACHERhttp://olivercowdery.com/smithhome/1850s/1856Cart.htm#excerpt22
ONE OF THE WITNESSES SAYS JOE CAUGHT A WHORING
What was your message to Deegan when he called me a liar? Liar is ok -- nuts is off limits? No message because I provided the proof of the lying along with the Name.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do believe that should 'one' mistakenly take David or Judy seriously then, 'one's' stay
Who in theworld is arguing against obedience ?? We are, in deed, asked to obey --- but we must know, at the same time, that righteousness doesnot come from the law but from the sacrifice of Christ and all that He did in the flesh (called Incarnation). His death on the
cool !!-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 19:14:40 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit
NO! duh.
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ROFL !!And you guys were so hard on the Canadian Bishop on this imagination thingy !!!
JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 18:32:18 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] New
Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace isstill there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick
If I respond, Canada may very well secede from the Union !! And we wouldn't want tofunctionwithout the Good Bishop from the North (He is the one who has the full set of teeth).
Jd-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005
Blaine,
You have to have the right jesus, or it does not count. The bible is
replete with warnings not to follow false christs...written well before JS
ever invented (or was inspired by Satan to invent) the mormon jesus. It is
that simple. You have to have the right jesus.
Perry
From:
In a message dated 5/31/2005 6:19:18 PM Mountain Standard Time,
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Please dont quote
B.M. to me. It means nothing as it was written by a crafty, adulterous
man named Joseph Smith. Izzy
I won't! (Not unless I see something that really
isunsettling to all you
Wasn't he and his brother short to death during a gun fight in some two story house -- kindaof like Moses(?)
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In a message
To quote Izzy:with God, all things are posible. -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:20:06 -0400Subject: [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit
JD do you believe it
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