Sorry about that JD, I must have thought for some
reason DM or you were talking to me.
and incidentally you are misrepresenting me right here.
I have never claimed that Jesus was not
God in the flesh. What I deny is that He was
wholly God because before He took the body upon
himself He
Now you are putting words in both my mouth and that of
DavidM. I have never argued that we are saved by
keeping commandments and neither has DM because the Law
was not given for this reason to begin with.
From what you have written it is obvious that you are
not walking in His victory either
Hmmm, interesting! The personage quoted scripture
but that is not unusual, the devil comes as an angel of light and uses truth
to
deceive ppl and lead them into even worse error.
However, I do think it hypocritical for the ones following creeds and doctrines
that
are of men to upbraid you
Then you are one with the "accuser of the brethren" and
I don't think he needs any help
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about ppl like
you
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:29:33 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You are speaking for
If you want to identify with world, flesh, and devil
JD- OK but please don't include me. Also I am
redefining nothing
Nor am I qualifying anything; I allow
the Word of God to speak for itself. You may
use complicated and fuzzy theological
jargon all you like but this will not change the
From your perspective only you have that; it seems. I
guess Izzy and I will find out who is accepted and who is
rejected when Jesus separates the sheep from the goats
won't we? If you think we are missing it, pray for us.
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you
You arn't God either and the new word is getting
boring.
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you
aren'tGod--you're a God-manipulator
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Youve obviously
never
Anthropos is the Greek word. Lexicon definition includes this nuance: [with regard to the article, generically] all human individuals [without regard to male and female] -- Thayer. (Arnt and Gengrich, Liddle and Scott add to this presentation). The phrases "Son of God" and "Son of Man" are not
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Judy wrote:... I agree and this is why all three areas must
becleansed of filthiness, sanctification extends tothe soul and spirit
as well as the physical body.
But the point is that the spirit and soul can be swept clean, but the
physical body must be
JD, the word Christ means "anointed" and this is what I
have been saying - that He represents God and He
represents man - But isn't all of either in human
form. jt
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Anthropos is the Greek
word. Lexicon definition
Why would you think that the King Jamesquote beloware the words of God? I read the B of M many moons ago. As I remember, I read a passage in that book that was taken from chapters 1-13 of Isaiah of the KJV, italicized words included. Not a positive for this young investigator.
JD-Original
Check out that phrase, Dave. "it shall NOT be so among you." Jesus
gave them authority over demons and He gave them the authority to
preach the Good News. He did not give them the authority to be
dictators or popes or presidents. They were guides, not rulers.
Hope this helps you understand.
I do want to get this right. I remember you saying that He was only the "representative of God" while on this earth. Not God but His representative -- understanding that He was God before and after (I guess). Are you saying, below that He was, in fact, God on earth? I do not understand "[not]
Gary wrote:
you aren't God--you're a God-manipulator
Argumentum Ad Hominem
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know
how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org
If you do not want to
Your OCD is showing in your repetitive use
of the same wordthere is treatment for this condition. iz
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JSmith was no Jesus.
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Blainerb: Why do you not
believe God
Gary wrote:
the hostility to JC is noted--not unusual..
'His way' is always the fatality of your way
Argumentum Ad Hominem
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know
how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians
No wonder
he looked familiar!
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DAVEH: It appears you also may have
modeled for
Really cool! My Dad played the trumpet in
the Navy during WWII (and in the basement in his later years.) You looked
darned good in 1929, Blaine!
iz
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And Ad
Nauseum.
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Gary
wrote:
you aren't God--you're a
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:22:31 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I do want to get this right. I remember you saying that He was only
the "representative of God" while on this earth. Not God but His
representative -- understanding that He was God before and after
(I guess). Are
You don't believe that works (obedience)are necessary for salvation? What in the world have we been arguing about for tha last year or so?Where does obedience fit into your theological picture?
JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc:
You must obey Jesus before God will give you the Holy
Spirit JD. He gives the Holy Spirit to those who
obey Him. The doctrine of the
"incarnation" alone won't cut it no matter what Lance says - jt
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You don't believe that
These two statements do not mesh, especially in view of the fact that you have stated that one cannot do anything good beforeor apart from the Holy Spirit - because of the fallen nature of man.
Now you are putting words in both my mouth and that of DavidM. I have never argued that we are saved
Not ad hom if a true observation. Gary is making a point that you apparently miss.
JD-Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:25:00 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14
Gary wrote:
you aren't God--you're
Do you believe that he represents God AS GOD? That He represents MAN(KIND) AS MAN??
Jd-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:12:13 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14
If you believe that He represents God as God on earth, then yes we agree. I would like tht very much.
JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:35:47 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John
John, an ad hominem argument is still ad hominem regardless of whether it is
true or false.
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Not ad hom if a true
Perhaps Gary should have said that her wording manipulates the will of God.I view much of this continuing discussion on ad hom as one of the grandest examples of legalistic manipulation presented on TT. We separate words from personage and pretend that criticism of one is ad hom while criticism
Linda, I could copy over your post (that little "G: or "j" thing - again and this time, it appparently originated with my machine)
The question you said I did not answerwas asked in greater detail for the first in that "j" post.
Here is my answer. We must not separate the emotion of love from
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Perhaps Gary should have said that her wording manipulates the will of God.
Not quite. Gary should have provided evidence that demonstrates that the
position she was arguing attempts to manilulate God. Big difference.
I view much of this continuing discussion on ad
In a message dated 7/24/2005 6:28:40 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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Really cool! My Dad
played the trumpet in the Navy during WWII (and in the basement in his later
years.) You looked darned good in 1929, Blaine!
iz
Thanks, Iz, I hope you are just pulling my
Blainerb: You are describing a common hang-up with the BoM, which
isnot much of a hang-up since it is simply based upon the presumption thatwhen JS translated the plates, he
did so word for word--which may have been OK for most of the passages, but when
he came to passages he was familiar
DAVEH: Do you believe Jesus gave them authority to baptize? Or, do
you think they automatically had that authority, as do many Christians
today?
Terry Clifton wrote:
Check out that phrase, Dave. "it shall NOT be so among you." Jesus
gave them authority over demons and He gave them the
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It [the bom] sincerely is what it says it is.
How do you know this?
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you
ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org
If you do not want to receive
-Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke cpl2602@hotmail.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:17:35 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Perhaps Gary should have said that her wording manipulates the will of God.Not quite. Gary
Bill it looks like you
are ducking out on me on this one. If it cannot be supported scripturally
you can explain why cant you? And when I ask you something I dont want
to know what someone other than you thinks/says about it, if you dont mind.
My simple question, which I have asked at
ad hom and offered without evidence !!
And WHO CARESabout Judy Taylor's judgments? What important contribution does such bs have to do with the discussion at hand? Nothing. And so we have yet another post that contributes nothing to the. Linda is the queen of this type of posting --
And, Perry, think about this: what Judy has done is exactly why I have written kevin and Linda off my list of people who have anything important to conributeas brethren -- Judy writes this YOU ARE ONE WITH THE ACCUSERThat sort of tripe is ad hom at its core. It is out of place and and just plain
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Izzy
in bold blue:
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This is a very helpful post, John. I think you may
be onto something concerning the exchange between Peter and Jesus.
Thanks,
Bill
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Sooo, part of the B of M is from God and the other part is from the KJV of the biblicallanguage(s).
Interesting.
JD-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:02:53 EDTSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'
Thanks Izzy. I am sorry but I do not have time
right now to get started on another long discussion. I am starting a new job
tomorrow and will be really swamped for a while. Maybe when time permits, we
could come back to this.
Bill
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Well stated, BillyT. -Original Message-From: Bill Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:43:24 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14
Bill it looks like you are ducking out on me on this one. If it cannot be supported scripturally you
Thanks -- nice to know that I am on the righttrack once in awhile.
OW DID TYLER DO LST EVENING
Jd-Original Message- From: Bill Taylor wmtaylor@plains.netTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:52:32 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Spalding Enigma
This is a
The prison?
-Original Message-From: Bill Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:58:10 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14
Thanks Izzy. I am sorry but I do not have time right now to get started on another long discussion. I am
The prison thing? -Original Message-From: Bill Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:58:10 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14
Thanks Izzy. I am sorry but I do not have time right now to get started on another long discussion. I
-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 04:48:55 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14
If you want to identify with world, flesh, and devil JD- OK but please don't include me.
You mean Andy. He wrestled under the lights until
1:00 this morning and ended upgetting third place -- which
isn't bad considering he was on the youngest end of a full bracket and wrestled
kids who were committed enough to have come to that tournament from four states,
some pretty good
Si
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The prison thing? -Original
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Absolutely !!
JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:00:48 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment** I need help watching.
Surely you are jesting, JD. iz
But I am disappointed that you put
Si, si, senor
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The prison?
-Original Message-From: Bill Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:
Yes, I do mean Andy. Third place --- lost only one time??? The guy who took second only lost one time, as well!! Making Andy the second best wrestler there in his weight class with a higher percentage win-lose.Right? He should have wrestled on additional match than the finalists. Out here,
good thing my machine did not send three or four posts -- you would sound as if yoou were stuttering.
This is awesome (hopefully) Riding to work with Bud
JD-Original Message-From: Bill Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:37:50
J Yes, I was
teasing you, as that might make you pretty OLD right now. Assuming
Dorothy is your wife, Id say you should listen to her. izzy
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JD, one gets weary of constant accusation which on this
thread has been coming from Gary.
What sense does it make to make the claim that it is
impossible for man to turn from sin when
God's Word commands us to do exactly that if we are to
walk with Him? judyt
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:50:09
Iz is red:
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Bill it looks like you are ducking out on
me on this one. If it cannot be
I assume that if we argued long enough we
could come around to a mutual understanding. I think Im just too tired
at the moment to proceed, as I have no idea what you mean by our true
ontological status in Christ regarding the lost. Your religious
construct seems to be one of metaphor
When I tried to respond directly to JDs
post it froze up my computer. Maybe God is just telling me to leave him to
himself. There does come that point. Izzy
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Great. Blessing on the new job, BT. I
find that a new job is always hard and stressful, no matter what it is. Dont
be discouraged, but encouraged in the Lord. Izzy
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In a message dated 7/24/2005 10:31:24 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It [the bom] sincerely is
what it says it is.How do you know this?
I read it, I now read it, I will read it, I will have read it . . . too
many internal consistencies for
You are describing a common hang-up with the BoM, which isnot much of a hang-up since it is simply based upon the presumption thatwhen JS translated the plates, he did so word for word
According to some of the EYEWITNESSES, Joe dropped a magical seer stone into his hat, then buried his face in the
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good thing my machine did not send three or four posts -- you
would sound as if yoou were
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In a message dated 7/24/2005 10:31:24 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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It [the bom] sincerely is what it says it is.
How do you know this?
I read it, I now read it, I will read it, I will have read it . . . too
So another words you know it to be True because you know it to be True.
I see.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 7/24/2005 10:31:24 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It [the bom] sincerely is what it says it is.How do you know this?
I read
All it takes isONE internal Inconsistency or ERROR to make it a PHONYCharles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]In a message dated 7/24/2005 10:31:24 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It [the bom] sincerely is what it says it
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