Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
You understood what was written, Judy. People think you pretty much don't 'get' anything that's written on TT. I believe you do 'get' the odd bit. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent:

Re: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All Authority is Bad

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
Or, she swims in a shallow pond, Judy. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 22, 2006 15:45 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
Somone would post a perceptive email then, Iz would say 'Bob's your uncle' while you would pull out your electronic concordance so as to cite every contra verse you could locate. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc:

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
Or, as on TT, theologically unknowing while spiritually alive. This is much more the case. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 22, 2006 18:52 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw:

Re: [TruthTalk] Henry Morris

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
Citing someone's CV makes them unembarrassing? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 22, 2006 16:13 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Henry Morris I'm embarrassed of Henry Morris and that whole ICR group over

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
What gender are you when offering up an opinion? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 22, 2006 16:15 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative? The STANDARD of ORTHODOXY in RW's eyes

Re: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All Authority is Bad

2006-03-23 Thread Judy Taylor
I don't believe so Lance. I do believe she has her own ideas - that she is faithful where God has her and that she is weary of the constant carping and criticism that one must endure on this list. When I came it wasn't like this but this is what it has become. On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 06:00:50

Re: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All Authority is Bad

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
I offer up as evidence Kevin, Judy, David, Dean and Iz.Say n'more, say n'more, a nod's as good as a wink. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 22, 2006 16:34 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi

Re: [TruthTalk] Ruddy faced sheppard opresses Giant!

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
Are you now or, have you ever been a member of.?Senator McCarthy lives! See 'Good Night and Good Luck'.. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 22, 2006 16:39 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ruddy faced

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-23 Thread Judy Taylor
I don't use "electronic concordances" Lance, sorry to disappoint you. Would it be a big surprised to you to know that some have God's Word deep within - I mean in the heart? You know His Words are life to those who find them and health to all their flesh. IMO it is folly to waste much time

Re: [TruthTalk] Ruddy faced sheppard opresses Giant!

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
Only because you have a short memory. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 22, 2006 16:49 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ruddy faced sheppard opresses Giant! HEY I will HIGH FIVE ya on that! ; )David Miller [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Ruddy faced sheppard opresses Giant!

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
Yes, yes, yes (breaks dow in tears - sissy that he is) put the cuffs on me as I now see that I support all of these with my tax dollars. But, but, but..I then scratch my chin while thinking of that which our neighbour to the south actually does with actual weapons of mass destruction, with

Re: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All Authority is Bad

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
More time for BSF, Judy. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 06:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All Authority is

Re: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All Authority is Bad

2006-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
Your Mutha has been wearing combat boots too!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or, she swims in a shallow pond, Judy.- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 22, 2006 15:45 Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
David Oppresses Goliath! Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somone would post a perceptive email then, Iz would say 'Bob's your uncle' while you would pull out your electronic concordance so as to cite every contra verse you could locate.- Original Message - From: Judy

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
HIGH Five[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:"Believe in God's word" is fundy code for "believe as I do." When we have been dispersed, take with you the knowledge that not one single Rad Fundy has given any of us a clue as to what "doctrine" they are talking about. You must obey the commandments

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
David Oppresses Goliath! Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somone would post a perceptive email then, Iz would say 'Bob's your uncle' while you would pull out your electronic concordance so as to cite every contra verse you could locate.- Original Message - From: Judy

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Judy Taylor
What is the point in pursuing dead letters when one can feast on a "living Word" On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 06:04:45 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or, as on TT, theologically unknowing while spiritually alive. This is much more the case. From: Judy Taylor So

Re: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All Authority is Bad

2006-03-23 Thread Judy Taylor
Exactly, you have set yourself up as a judge of ppl who knows nothing about what is important and exhibitsinordinate affection for worldly foolishness and the wisdom of Hollywood. On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 06:12:02 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I offer up as evidence Kevin, Judy,

Re: [TruthTalk] Henry Morris

2006-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
So then you answer the questionWhat is so embarrasing about him? Just more PsychoAssertionISM? And Back slappingShould we put it on the list with Data showing David oppresses Goliath CPP funding of WMD Canadian library support of Suicide BombingLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
Spoken like a true studen of RJR. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 22, 2006 21:05 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Let's have them Teach Dominion Theology in school ; )[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All Authority is Bad

2006-03-23 Thread Judy Taylor
What is that supposed to mean? It's no trouble to maketime for BSF or others who edify .. glorifying God with the fruit of their lips. On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 06:22:45 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: More time for BSF, Judy. From: Judy Taylor I don't believe so

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
IFF David had 'nukes' (news flash - he does) then, yes. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 06:26 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative? David Oppresses Goliath!

RE: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All Authority is Bad

2006-03-23 Thread ShieldsFamily
I'm just trying to stay at a level that can reach you, Lance. :-) iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 2:13 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi

Re: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All Authority is Bad

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
Correction then, Iz: You're soo shallow. (That's gwine reach me.) - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 06:36 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All

[TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Judy Taylor
Why advocate teaching what you don't know JD? As has already been noted "Only when we prove evolution do we need to concern ourselves with "harmonizing" evolutionism with theism. Evidence that this level of proof has not been achieved includes the long list of scientists and others who have

RE: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All Authority is Bad

2006-03-23 Thread ShieldsFamily
You are only bothered by the fact that I couldnt care less about your (or jds) opinion of me. The Lord is the One whose opinion matters to me, and before Him alone I stand or fall. He tells me not to waste my time trying to reason with hardened hearts, as that is His realm and not mine.

Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
There are as many 'species' of creationists as fish. Put a million of 'em at the keyboards of computers and they'd come up with.well...what they've already come up with. I rest my case your honor. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To:

RE: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All Authority is Bad

2006-03-23 Thread ShieldsFamily
Gnats have injured my ego more than you and yours are capable of doing. Too bad your objectives on TT are thwarted. iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 5:39 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Trailer of a new movie: Freedom to Fascism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
There is no 'mark of the beast', Marlin. Wait just a sec...Tim LaHay does have a new book coming out in June (June 6.06...is that 666?) I take it all back. If Tim says it. --- Original Message - From: Marlin halverson Sent: March 22, 2006 21:49 Subject: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
More of your PsyhcoassertionISM? Besides you prefer Opinions of one as RW with NO ABSOLUTE MORALS and No clear idea of what he believes. He is afloat on the sea of consensus. Lets call a meeting of men to get all the opinions tally them till we get consensus or majority. What a basis for Truth!

Re: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All Authority is Bad

2006-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
When did it change Judy?Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't believe so Lance. I do believe she has her own ideas - that she is faithful where God has her and that she is weary of the constant carping and criticism that one must endure on this list. When I came it wasn't like

Re: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All Authority is Bad

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
Are they indeed? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 07:09 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All Authority is Bad Gnats have injured my ego more than you

Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Judy Taylor
But only One Creator and only one kind who believe what is written as is. Take your pick. I see no point in running after more darkness and/or presumption. On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:02:56 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are as many 'species' of creationists as fish.

Re: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All Authority is Bad

2006-03-23 Thread Judy Taylor
It didn't Lance, you are lacking eyes thatsee On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 04:16:19 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When did it change Judy?Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't believe so Lance. I do believe she has her own ideas - that she is

Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
Is it just possible that we may be going out on a note of agreement, Judy? 'One Creator'! Amen! 'believe what is written as is' Amen once again as I most certainly do. (flee) darkness and/or presumption! That makes for three Amen's, Judy. Now what can we do to convince David Miller and

Re: [TruthTalk] Ruddy faced sheppard opresses Giant!

2006-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
Another Popular liberal Fable! It is laughable how those that claim to be so with it are lost in a fog of fableISM while they inherit the wind. The facts bear out that McCarthyISM was CORRECT about Communist infiltration of the US government includingeven White House advisors! Do your

Re: [TruthTalk] Ruddy faced sheppard opresses Giant!

2006-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
Only because you have a short understanding as in ; ) Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only because you have a short memory.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 22, 2006 16:49 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ruddy faced

RE: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All Authority is Bad

2006-03-23 Thread ShieldsFamily
Apparently so, Lance. In the past I have often attempted to reason with you and your friends, as Judy and David and Kevin still do, with facts and reasonable discussion. But instead of responding with further discussion, one is only met with belittling, derision and mocking. Anything that comes

Re: [TruthTalk] Ruddy faced sheppard opresses Giant!

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
Preach it bro! (a modest tribute (bro) to someone who appears trapped in the 60's musically but, not theologically) - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 07:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ruddy faced sheppard

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
AGAIN you show your Short Comprehension I am NOT a REFORMED CATHOLIC. wrong slot Lance, better take it to your friends for a consensusWhat do you know of RJR? Not as much as you think, I suppose. He is NOT a Fundamentalist Like Papa like son, bring out the stake Lance Muir [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All Authority is Bad

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
Apparently not, Linda. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 07:47 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All Authority is Bad Apparently so, Lance. In the past I

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
NEWS FLASH! http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2001/dec_2001/rafsanjani_nuke_threats_141201.htm RAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAELDo you have a similar one citing Jews saying similar? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IFF David had 'nukes' (news

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
Is KD a pseudonym for Gary North? Have you finally come out of hiding after the Y2K fiasco? I do believe that were we to remove the hoods from some on TT we would see that which underlies the hatred that you spread throughout the mid-east and, elsewhere. - Original Message -

RE: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All Authority is Bad

2006-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:You are only bothered by the fact that I couldn’t care less about your (or jd’s) opinion of me. The Lord is the One whose opinion matters to me, and before Him alone I

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
Nice attempt to CYA Kevin but, I'd suggest to rent 'The Control Room' as a rebuttal. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 07:52 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread knpraise
I am talking about what we teach in school and Judy comes back with something about"the secret things" and then Kevin, bless his little heart, comes back with something about reading the Bible --- NEW FLASH !!! ObviouslyTT as a DISCUSSION GROUP died some time ago !! Over here , guys !! I am the

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread knpraise
What in the hell do you think I have been talking about? You are so far off course here, as to be just plain silly. I am not a "big banger" nor do I believe that a lung fish is ancient family. In fact, I am with the growing opinion that there has not been enough time for evolution to have worked

RE: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All Authority is Bad

2006-03-23 Thread knpraise
Yet, how much time did you spend doing the same to others !!?? Give me a break. jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gnats have injured my ego more than you and yours are capable of doing. Too bad your objectives on TT are thwarted. iz

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
Oh, I guess he does KNOW, Judy. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 08:29 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism What in the hell do you think I have

Re: [TruthTalk] A Special Message from Rabbi Daniel Lapin: Purim 2006-Not All Authority is Bad

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
Were someone to retrieve all of the 'Shields family' posts then, place them alongside the knpraise' posts with an eye to genuine content.case closed! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

[TruthTalk] Thinking..............

2006-03-23 Thread ShieldsFamily
Subject: FW: Thinking.. It started out innocently enough. I began to think at parties now and then -- to loosen up. Inevitably, though, one thought led to another, and soon I was more than just a social thinker. I began to think alone -- to relax, I told

[TruthTalk] FW: ....A MUST to see...February 2, 2006 Rainbow at Elam Bend (McFall, Missouri)

2006-03-23 Thread ShieldsFamily
.A MUST to see...February 2, 2006 Rainbow at Elam Bend (McFall, Missouri) Click here: February 2, 2006 Rainbow at Elam Bend (McFall, Missouri)

Re: [TruthTalk] Thinking..............

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
Began drinking heavily Used my parent's influence to squeeze into Yale Party, party, party Used more parental influence to get into big oil Got wealthy, got out before the collapse Yet more influence to wangle my way into baseball Noticed that I could no long think Switched to the Republican

Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread knpraise
With much debate, the Fundies destroy any opportunity to place "creationism" into the school programs for the reason stated below. Amen. And, again, a foot in the door would only allow the warring hordes (Rad Fundies) to swarm our educational institutions and run helter skelter -- yelling and

Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
'helter skelter' h? Perhaps appropriate. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 10:06 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism With much debate, the Fundies

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread ttxpress
(he needsto be absolute onwhat he's 'high-fiving', Bro:) On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 03:27:27 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || jd/*g: "Believe in God's word" is * [typical techno legalistic..] code for * " * [we're all damned goin' t'hell fer not] believe[ing]

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Judy Taylor
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:29:33 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What in the hell do you think I have been talking about? You are so far off course here, as to be just plain silly. I am not a "big banger" nor do I believe that a lung fish is ancient family. In fact, I am with the

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Judy Taylor
Know what Lance? Nothing earthshaking coming from that direction. On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:33:56 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, I guess he does KNOW, Judy. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ;

Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: There are as many 'species' of creationists as fish. The same can be said for evolutionists. So what is your point? David Miller - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:02 AM

Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
Homer Simpson, while attempting to steal a candy bar from a vending machine, got his arm stuck. He dragged that one over to another for a second attempt thus getting both arms securely locked in. Somehow, with his nose, he managed to dial 911 for assistance. The operator asked Homer 'Are

RE: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread ShieldsFamily
And they are just as fishy. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:00 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism Lance wrote: There are as many 'species' of

Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
I enjoyed, and shared, both of your posts earlier today. I probably shan't be sharing this one. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 13:40 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] on Creationism And they are just

RE: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread ShieldsFamily
Darn. J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 12:46 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism I enjoyed, and shared, both of your posts earlier today. I probably shan't be

Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
You remind me, Lance, of another show... Back to the Future, where Biff is hitting Marty McFly on the head, "Hello, Hello, Anybody Home? Think, McFly, Think." To further elucidate my point:having numerous creationist models of origins is not a reason to exclude them from our educational

Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
Homer was speaking with a rather buxom country singer. Said she to Homer, 'Homer, my eyes are up here.' Homer replied, 'I've made my choice.' You've made your choice about many things, David. - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
I really do not understand how it is that you think Fundies have destroyed any opportunity for creationism in schools. The problem is that the scientific establishment has taken the position that any mention of a Creator departs from science. Lance's position of theistic evolution is flatly

Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
David says that 'the scientific establishment has...'. Look, David, if the generalization works for you then, OK! I already told you that I'd supply the names of real, as opposed to pretend, scientists, who are themselves believers (I supplied a couple of names) who hold to a variety of

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
John wrote: Believe in God's word is fundy code for believe as I do. After all this time, you still don't understand. If it is code for anything, it is: line up with my understanding of God's Word here, or show me what the true understanding of God's Word is and help me to line up with it.

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
Are you mocking the concept that God created the world through faith and speaking? What does how long it takes for him to speak words have to do with how long it took for the world to come into being? I don't understand your point. David Miller - Original Message - From:

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
David:Limiting our 'case study' to yourself and Judy, please demonstrate where either one of you were brought, via Scripture, to a more genuine 'lining up'. No David, you are fundamentalists! - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
"I don't understand your point." = "Are you mocking the concept I do understand?" - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 14:32 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Are you mocking the

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
Actually, there is some good stuff that comes from ICR too. As I said before, they serve a function in our society which I think is good.If I'm not too embarrassed to read Lance Muir, I will not be too embarrassed to read ICR approved material. :-) David Miller - Original Message

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
Thanks for that compliment (?), David. BTW, I'm not embarrassed to read them either. - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 14:39 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Actually, there is

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
To believe fundamental Christianity means to accept fundamental tenets of Christianity. To believe fundamentalism means to embrace a sect of Christianity which hammers on the fundamentals. What if that ism sect said that only the KJV was inspired, or that believers need to sell all, forsake

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
David:It's too late in the game to say that which needs be said here re:your self-contradictory approach. It may well be another David Miller that I've been reading on TT for the last year or two. Pass. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Henry Morris

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
I'm embarrassed about some of the arguments they make. Morris is not really a scientist and does not seem to understand the science side very well. I've spoken to Morris in person one on one, so my opinion is not based solelyupon what I have read from him. ICR operates like a religious

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
Good. Please write me with a review when you have done so. I would be interested in how a theistic evolutionist would consider this information. David Miller - Original Message - From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3:16

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
I'm not a good communicator, Lance. I have been convinced of this, and I become more convinced the older I get. I try really hard, but I am frequently misunderstood. Nothing I have tried can cure this. It is a thorn in my side that only grace enables me to endure. It constantly humbles me

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
The CNN report: Asked if creationism should be taught in schools, Williams said: I don't think it should, actually. No, no. So how have I mischaracterized him? David Miller - Original Message - From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, March

Re: [TruthTalk] Carl Baugh

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
I talked to Carl once on the telephone. He was kind enough to return my phone call. The problem is that he made some huge mistakes in regards to the Paluxy River beds and it greatly hurt the evidence that might actually be there for a recent creation. The evolutionists were all over his

Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
Thank you, Judy, for being perceptive and understanding me. David Miller - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc Then I suggest that

Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread knpraise
And who is going to present these competing versions of creation -- the average Joe school teacher ?? Do you have any idea what an antagonist educator would do with such information? Actually, this "creationism in the school" thingy is really starting to sound like a bad idea !! jd

Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread knpraise
Daivd, I have several books on my shelves written by Christian scientists proclaiming some version of theistic evolution. Secondly,you and are both members of the fundamentalist community. If you have missed the M.O. of any number of our brethren, I haven't. Look at Pat Robertson. A Dufus of

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
David:You articulate well. You apprehend, IMO, less well. You write like a 'neat freak'. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 14:58 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative? I'm

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
David:Is that all you were meaning to say concerning RW? If that's it then, I'm with RW on this one. I don't think it should be taught in schools either. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 15:04 Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Carl Baugh

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
David:Would you apply the word 'bias' equally to yourself and, to Judy with the same force? - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 15:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Carl Baugh I talked to Carl once on the telephone.

Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
David:Are you that insecure? - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 15:09 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc Thank you, Judy, for being perceptive and understanding me. David Miller

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread knpraise
David !! Honestly, this is one of the sorriest posts you have ever written. First, an atheist mocks God and I am no atheist. Secondly, the reason you are confused with what I said (144 hours of time to speak the words of creation that took only 26 seconds to actually speak) is rather simple --

Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
You funny guy, you! Point well made, Homer.. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 16:20 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism Daivd, I have several books on my

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
You have risen to new heights, soon to be appointed ARCHbishop, John. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 16:36 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
Supply all the names of real scientists that you like, Lance. It does not change the facts about the position of the scientific establishment. I'm talking about organizations like theNational Academy of Sciences. They make a big legal case concerning howcreation science is religion and

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread knpraise
Well gosh . thank you !! I am out of the office for awhile -- but it trulyhas been fun !! jd -- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] You have risen to new heights, soon to be appointed ARCHbishop, John. - Original Message - From:

Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
Let the teacher decide what is relevant. They don't teach all the competing ideas of evolution either, so what is the problem? The problem of censorship should concern you because the truth is not afraid of evidence. You should be concerned whenever one side uses legal maneuvers and

Re: [TruthTalk] on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
I know many scientists who are Christians and hold to theistic evolution. That does not mean that they bring that view in when they practice science. They are not allowed and they will be the first to tell you. I don't see myself as a fundamentalist, but I'm not going to fight with those

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative?

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
Interesting. I think I hear much, much better than I articulate. In fact, I'm sure of it. David Miller - Original Message - From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
Do you think it should be illegal to teach in schools, or do you just think it is good advice not to mention the Creator in schools? David Miller - Original Message - From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:32 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
I don't know why you are getting so emotional over this. I think that when God spoke, in many situations, it took some time for what he said to take place. For example, if he spoke for the land masses to divide from the water, it took less than a minute to say it, but hours for the land and

Re: [TruthTalk] Carl Baugh

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: Would you apply the word 'bias' equally to yourself and, to Judy with the same force? No, I would not. I have a bias, but it is not as strong as the bias in place when a person has the establishment behind him. The establishment makes people a little lazy in their thinking.

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
Is KD a pseudonym for Gary North? "if ever a continent of covenant-breakers deserved this attribution (extermination), the "native Americans" did." PopeGary North (comments added) Pope Gary North "The long-term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the

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