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believe in 'kicking butt'--eh?
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g,
how do you know this? Iz
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Gen
Franks --keep in mind, neither of these men are Christians
, 2003 11:09 PM
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DAVEH: Is it legal for an
Iraqi citizen to be a Christian???
Terry Clifton wrote:
G:This is a no brainer. We are
to obey those in authorrity over us, unless to obey them would mean disobeying
God. The only way
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 06:11:46 -0600 "ShieldsFamily"
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g, how do you know this? Iz
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Franks --keep in mind, neither of these men are Christians
conjecture/stuff i might
be readg
e.g.:
you believe in 'kicking
butt'--eh?
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So, hes kicking the devils
buttsounds like a good Christian to me!
Izzy
Terry wrote:
Jesus and His disciples were Jews, still under
the law at the time. To break the law would be
sin, yet Jesus never sinned. The only explanation,
therefore is that the Jewish leaders did not understand
what keeping the sabbath entailed. Jesus knew the law.
They did not.
Slade wrote:
There is one fact I would like to point out
to you. I have no idea what is in your heart.
I have no idea the inflection in the voice
of your writings. I could very well be
misunderstanding you.
Who is the you that you would like to point something out to? Is your
post
G:
What a great way to put it! Simple
elegance.
Terry
in Romans,ALL who follow JCbiblically,
by faith, have died to sin;and,dead to sin, they ALL realize that
the Law isdead;it simply can't do for themwhat faith
can
Slade, Your messages go right to my heart! This
one brought tears to my eyes. Izzy
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What is the foundation of your faith built on? Is it
the Messiah? Is it the rock that watered the Sons of Yisrael in the Desert? Is
it the voice that bellowed from Har
g,
Im glad to see that you no longer sin. J Izzy
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also, in Romans,ALL
who follow JCbiblically, by faith, have died to sin
AMEN! (And a big Duh!) Izzy
Galatians
3:29
And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's
descendants, heirs according to promise.
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THERE ARE NO GENTILES IN
THE KINGDOM OF GOD!!
What you posted below is truth from God. Maybe God is trying to tell you something. People give you Bible but you have previously built into your mind a rejection and new invention of meaning of the truth you posted and rejected from God.
This reminds me of quoting Bible to homosexuals. You can
are you an American?
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If you are in covenant with the Almighty, you are not a Gentile.
rofx666!!
On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 07:13:56 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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g, Im glad to see that you no longer sin. J Izzy
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also, in
Romans,ALL who follow JCbiblically, by faith, have died to
sin
Oh, so you have Eschatologically given up sin! Huh??? Iz
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If I were working for Mr. Franks, I would obey Mr. Franks. Mr. Hussein is not my leader, and as near as I can tell, that is unlikely to change soon.
Terry
so, ifyou teo wereworkingfor Tommy Franks, would either of you followSadam's posted speed limiton the road/s to Baghdad?
Gary wrote:
... confessing our sin/s which is possible
only if you/we are 'dead to sin'
I don't understand this statement. Dead men don't confess anything.
They are dead. Being dead to sin means you no longer sin. Being alive
to sin means you continue to sin.
Peace be with you.
David
David Miller wrote:
They don't care that God's Word says
that those who are born of God cannot
sin.
Glenn wrote:
This verse says continue in sin.
You know it but you explain it away.
I was talking about 1 John 5:18. You know very well that it does NOT
say continue in sin, but you
?
Perry
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David Miller wrote:
They don't care that God's Word says
that those who are born of God cannot
sin.
Glenn
I "pick on you" because you claim perfection without actually claiming perfection. I don't see where the Apostle John claimed to be perfect, you do so claim. There is a vast difference in my mind in "continuing in sin" and committing a single sin in a moment of weakness. The Greek makes a
thensome
kindadisconnect arises in your posted view/s between 'law' and
'leadership'--note, though, i'm not terming this a contradiction now; (e.g.)
how/why does your relationship to an outsider, Gen Franks,alter your
relationship to Iraqi 'law'(?) (law which, given your view as i
good questions;
thx!
gary ottoson * http://ozg2003.blogspot.com
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Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David, Lets
suppose that one is a Christian and does not sin because Christians
do not sin. Then, lets suppose that
this same Christian
no wonder we get along so perfectly
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I see myself as a sinner (not currently continuing in
sin) saved by faith through grace.
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thensome
kindadisconnect arises in your posted view/s between 'law' and
'leadership'--note, though, i'm not terming this a contradiction now; (e.g.)
how/why does your relationship to an outsider
if i tell you that the following
activity Iz* an eschatological event, what would you say(?)
* :-) l, g
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"..confess y/our sins to each
other and pray for each other so that[we] may be healed.."
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kindadisconnect arises in your posted view/s between 'law' and
'leaders
Terry wrote:
My entire premise is as you say. The only exception
would be where you had to choose between obeying God
or man. Since obeying the speed limit is not disobeying
God, it is not one of those exceptions. Might better
double check that Bible.
Ok, let's double check the Bible
Terry wrote:
Are you claiming to be greater than the temple
(equal to Jesus), or are you saying that I can
tear all that stuff out of the new testament
about obeying the government if it is a minor
thing, because the sabbath was made for man and
the Pharisees did not understand that to
Hello, Terry and David.
Ive been trying to stay
out of this conversation, but Im like my three-year-old daughter in a
candy store.
Without your permission
(since youre not here for me to ask), Id like to explain why I see things
the way I see them, but it may take a paragraph or
, 2003 03:14:38 PM
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Terry wrote: Are you claiming to be greater than the temple (equal to Jesus), or are you saying that I can tear all that stuff out of the new testament about obeying the government if it is a minor
Terry wrote:
What you say sounds real good, but it just
doesn't add up. Those instructions are written
in the Bible for a reason, and that reason is
not that we should dismiss them as being the
tools of legalists.
This is exactly why I said, Nobody should tear out either the New
Jesus and His disciples were Jews, still under the law at the time. To break the law would be sin, yet Jesus never sinned. The only explanation, therefore isthat the Jewish leaders did not understand what keeping the sabbath entailed. Jesus knew the law. They did not.
TerrySo how do you
he command!
You get an A+, Terry!
--
slade
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Jesus and His disciples
Romans teaches that in the kingdom of God,
Jewish followers of Jesus by faith have been 'released' from the Law of
Moses--obviously Gentiles who follow Jesus by faith are 'delivered' from it, too
[Gentiles, as Terry pointed out once, a loo~ong
ti~iime ag~go :-) were never under it]
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Romans teaches that in the kingdom of
God, Jewish followers of Jesus by faith have been 'released' from the Law of
Moses--obviously Gentiles who follow Jesus by faith are 'delivered' from it,
wrong.
Terry
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Terry wrote: I pointed out that this is not a sin because it endangers others, but because you, or I, have
David, this is where you are being imperfect. You are not coming clean. Of course, you have slipped over the speed limit. You are word playing here.
Please, David, remove your blinders. Your preaching on campus has blinded you.
Here's the real truth. While claiming to be against sin you have
On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:59:29 -0600 "Terry
Clifton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:My entire premise is as you say. The
only exception would be where you had to choose between obeying God or
*man*..
[DavidM:] . My standard for
defining sin is what is taught in the Bible. I do notset my
own
Again you are not coming clean. David, you have convinced me your perfect doctrine is wrong by your participation on TT. Over and over I have see you a man of God but a man of God FAR FAR from perfect. This verse says "continue in sin". You know it but you explain it away. You're sincerely
Terry wrote:
The law says fifty-five. You drive fifty-seven.
Bingo! You have broken the law, just as surely
as if you deliberately drove ninety.
I'm not sure we are going to get anywhere discussing this, but I'm going
to try yet again. Your statement above has everything to do with the
David Miller wrote:
..I feel free of sin. Some people think I'm
arrogant and self righteous, but I see that
this is the work of Christ in me, taking sin
out of my life.
Gary wrote:
your idea of 'perfection ... is your own
philosophy, has nothin' to do with Scripture;
It is solidly found
On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:21:12 -0500 "David
Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I learned this from readingthe
Scriptures[:]
..I feel free of sin...the
work of Christ in me, taking sin out of my life.
this is nonsense, not biblical; false and
erroneous theology, too
Gary wrote: e.g.,
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Terry wrote:
The law says fifty-five. You drive fifty-seven.
Bingo! You have broken the law, just as surely
as if you deliberately drove ninety.
I'm not sure we are going to get
Gary wrote:
this is nonsense, not biblical;
false and erroneous theology, too
Well, if you are ignorant of the Bible's teaching on this matter, then
let me show you some Bible that teaches this.
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in
him, and he in God. And we
On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:52:58 -0500 "David
Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gary wrote: this is nonsense,
not biblical; false and erroneous theology, too
..if you are ignorant of the Bible's teaching on this
matter...
"Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is
the Son of God
so much for
Terry wrote:
It seems to me that many things can
be sins without being crimes.
Abortion and self righteousness and
coveting are not even misdemeanors,
but they are terrible sins.
I agree that man often excuses many things that are sins. Nevertheless,
I think of a sin as being a crime
Sin is serious. The wages of sin is death. I do not see ACCIDENTALLYslipping a mile or two over a man-made speed limit as something whichcauses God to send a person to eternal damnation except he repent andbelieve upon Jesus Christ.
David:
I seem to be having a hard time communicating to
Slade wrote:
I think if we continue to sin like that, we are not
born of God. If God put that kind of weight on unintentional
sin, Heaven would be empty because we're all ignorant of
wrongdoings that we cannot hope to repent of.
If that's Catholic... oops. Also, if I'm wrong, rebuke
me
Terry wrote:
If that were the only sin you ever committed,
it would send you to Hell unless covered by
the blood of Christ.
Wow! Do you really believe that?
It seems to me that you are being stricter than God on this matter. I
will have to prayerfully consider what you have said. Wow.
your idea of 'perfection, below, is your own
philosophy, has nothin' to do with Scripture; e.g.,
(so) how can this (ff.) be true while you refuse to
'confess' sin?
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"David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:..I feel free of sin. Some people think I'm
Yes David, I believe that. All have sinned, everyone deserves to go to
Hell, whether it is one sin or a thousand. The only way to avoid that is
Jesus. If that is too simple to grasp, consider the following.
One lousy sin brought death to all mankind. God said don't eat the fruit.
HE meant
David:
At one time, I was a correctional program supervisor with the California
department of corrections. That is a fancy title for a combination
prison guard / caseworker. I supervised a housing unit with a population of
three hundred prisoners, and in addition had a sixteen man caseload. My
Terry wrote:
Yes David, I believe that. All have sinned,
everyone deserves to go to Hell, whether it
is one sin or a thousand.
I understand that all have sinned and deserve Hell, but what you said
before concerning inadvertently slipping over the speed limit a few mph
was, If that were the
I understand that all have sinned and deserve Hell, but what you saidbefore concerning inadvertently slipping over the speed limit a few mphwas, "If that were the only sin you ever committed, it would send you toHell..." That's a tough line to tote. What kind of God would thinkthis way?
I have no problem understanding that when God says something, he means
it. No question that we must obey Him. The question doesn't concern
what God says, but how violating inadvertently what man says equates to
sin. Jesus can heal on the Sabbath, contrary to the laws of men, and
his
On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:12:31 -0600 (Central Standard Time) "Terry Clifton"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Those in authority make the law.
(and the money)
Slade wrote:
When I look down and I'm speeding by four miles and hour,
I HATE IT. I just sinned inadvertently because YHVH tells
me I need to obey the laws of the land (except in the
obvious perversions) and I do everything I can to be
obedient to Him.
So do you automatically assume that
Slade wrote:
I never said speeding was the same as murder.
... Dropping your keys, slipping when your
scoring a piece of sheet metal with a utility
knife is a mistake. No sin is involved because
no Torah commandment or infraction was committed.
Most importantly, YHVH does not view that
David:
It seems to me that many things can be sins without being crimes. Abortion and self righteousness and coveting are not even misdemeanors, but they are terrible sins.
When God said obey the government, He did not put in an exception for the small stuff. If the government says to do
In my perspective, we should obey all traffic laws, but if someone
accidentally slips over the speed limit by a couple of miles, I do not
necessarily see God or man being offended by that in any way. In other
words, I do not see that as a sin. If I'm riding in the car and my
teenage
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