-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 00:50:58 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:11:52 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:JD: Judy - if I didn't
-Original Message-From: Christine Miller verilysaid@yahoo.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:53:54 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]Re: John 16:13-14
Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the
world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mar
Certainly someone will point the importance of
God's Spirit in the latter engagement.Thereafter,
how many parallels might one draw?
Vladimir Kramnik, current world chess chamption,
has done interviews recently outlining his journey to the pinnacle of the chess
world.
Were we to give Bill
NASB-'But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will
not carry out the desire of the flesh.'
NRSV-'Live by the Spirit, I say, and do not gratify
the desires of the flesh.'
RSV -'But I say, walk by the Spirit, and do
not gratify the desires of the flesh'
Someone (to be named later) suggests
Lance Muir wrote:
Were we to give Vladmir a Bible and
two months of instruction on reading/interpreting it then, pick two or
three extended passages for discussion (say the Sermon on the Mount,
Philippians 2 Galatians 5), whose observations would more likely
approximate 'writerly
The principle (of life) being discussed below is the single most important pastoral consideration of all that has been discussed here on TT.
What we have, below, is the difference between will worship and the workings of the holy Spirit of God Himself. Wherein tribute (to the Great God
Interesting website from my pilot son.
Izzy
Sent: Saturday, July
09, 2005 1:03 PM
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Grace
Humorous. I noticed the use of the term license
to sin- that made me think of an Academy friend of mine
who left the AF to become
David Miller wrote:
John, I'm going to take a shot at this, but if you
are tempted to attack me or prove me wrong,
please don't. I won't respond to that. I am not
interested in debate, but in truth.
John wrote:
Fair enough. Monologue is not necessarily
a bad thing.
You miss my point.
John wrote:
I should have said it this way: the law is no longer
the standard by which we are judged. The Spirit is
that standard in Christ. We are judged in Christ.
I agree with Judy that Scripture does not appear to support this viewpoint,
but even if you were right, where are you going
Lance wrote:
Certainly someone will point the importance of God's Spirit
in the latter engagement.Thereafter, how many parallels might
one draw? Vladimir Kramnik, current world chess chamption,
has done interviews recently outlining his journey to the pinnacle
of the chess world. Were we to
Lance wrote:
He goes on to say that in one's attempt to 'not gratify
the desires of the flesh' they (the desires of the flesh)
get stronger. ...
IF YOU LIVE BY THE SPIRIT, YOU WILL
NOT CARRY OUT THE DESIRES OF THE
FLESH (he suggests that this is a promise and
that the only command is
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: July 13, 2005 09:14
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess On reading/interpreting the
Scriptures for living (not for 'A' living)
Lance wrote:
Certainly someone will point the
DM suggests 'a lack of understanding ofthe revelatory power of the
Holy Spirit' Methinks you a. missed by point b. created a bogus analogy
a. I read TT
b. Jesus isn't 'mentoring' anyone I know David. Perhaps He is not even
mentoring you.
Do you fail to note the excessively conflicting
Knowing and believing are two very different things. It is faith as expressed in love that governs the content and passion of what I beleive. I see in your writings a belief in that which is rational, logical and fully understandable. Most "pentecostal" folk would not agree with your view, at
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:40:34 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:a.
I read TTb. Jesus isn't 'mentoring' anyone I know David. Perhaps He is
not even mentoring you.
No question about that Lance; the question is "Do you
read your Bible?"
Jesus is at the RH of the Father interceding
The 'mentoring' analogy came out of a post from
DM.
Jt asks of Lm ' do you read your Bible
(Lm)?' Lm answers Jt 'Yes'
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: July 13, 2005 10:01
Christine, Thanks for posting your teaching. I am printing it out to share
in devotions with my husband and our 13/15 year olds who are with us this
month. Sorry to be late to read it, but we have been moving from our big
100 year old house in the city to a temporary rental house. We are
Hard to tell based on the limited infomation I have on either
man.Terry
Isn't it amazing how much less information it takes
to determinethe jerks among us?
We all get your point, Lance -- and it's a valid
one. But please do not toss me out in another of your comparisons, not to this
pack
Lance wrote:
a. I read TT
b. Jesus isn't 'mentoring' anyone I know David.
Perhaps He is not even mentoring you.
Jesus does mentor people, but I understand how you do not recognize that.
Lance wrote:
Do you fail to note the excessively conflicting
conundra appearing daily on TT? Each is, as
Contradicted? If this were an exercise in logic then, OK. But, it is an
exercise in humour so, no.
You keep tryin' ta weasle out of this, David. It's the people who agree with
me (you) thingy that you don't seem prepared to acknowledge.
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From: David Miller [EMAIL
Lance suggests that I missed his point. I don't think so, Lance. Your
point was that regardless of the importance of God's Spirit, Bill won't
become a skilled chess player in two months time, and Vladimir won't
understand the Bible in two months time. My point is that you are wrong
because
-Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:06:26 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14
John wrote:
I should have said it this way: the law is no longer
the standard by which we are judged. The Spirit is
In the following, you make the grand assumption that Bill Taylor has not benefited from the very same instruction :
Suppose Jesus Christ came down in the flesh, and he sat down and talked with Vladmir for two months, every day, explaining to him the Sermon on the Mount, Philippians 2, and
LOL David !! What do you mean "I don't think so" ? IT'S LANCE'S POINT. Surely he is the one who
is best equipped to determine if you have correctly understood him. But this goes directly to this
infallibility of interpretation thing we have been discussing. YOU QUOTE LANCE AGAINST HIMSELF -
a
Why not let God be the judge of what I can and cannot understand vis a vis
the work of the Spirit in the life of the believer, David?
Let me say again what I meant in other words: X is converted,
filled/baptized/annointed with the Spirit. X will be speaking with David
Miller on the aforementioned
Now this is totally uncalled
for,... jt
Is it, Judy? How would you know --aren't you the one always claiming she can't
read between the lines? I've heard of selective
hearing: perhaps yours is related. Again, Lance,please do not toss me out
in another of your comparisons, not to this pack
Please note Bill that when I reposted I changed it
to David Miller.
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From:
Bill Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: July 13, 2005 12:04
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess
On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living
John wrote:
In the following, you make the grand assumption
that Bill Taylor has not benefited from the very
same instruction :
Why don't we let Bill address the validity of this assumption. Bill, would
it benefit your understanding of Scripture in any way if Jesus sat down with
you and
John wrote:
LOL David !! What do you mean I don't
think so ? IT'S LANCE'S POINT. Surely
he is the one who is best equipped to determine
if you have correctly understood him.
No, John. Communication is a two way street. Lance is not hearing me very
well today. He does not understand
I need to apologize to Bill for having named him in my illustration. Please,
please REFRAIN FROM USING HIS name. Heretofore use my name or X.
He wants no part in what is rapidly becomiing a silly extension of an
important point. Given that David cannot apprehend the point at hand, why
don't we
Lance wrote:
Why not let God be the judge of what I can and
cannot understand vis a vis the work of the Spirit
in the life of the believer, David? Let me say again
what I meant in other words: X is converted,
filled/baptized/annointed with the Spirit. X will be
speaking with David Miller on
Lance wrote:
He wants no part in what is rapidly becomiing
a silly extension of an important point. Given that
David cannot apprehend the point at hand, why
don't we just press on to other matters?
If you want to drop it, fine, but this is not a silly extension at all. It
goes to the heart
He would probably say something like, Have we been together so long and you
still do not understand?
:)
Bill
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess On
I'm sure that will make a world's worth of
difference -- on several planes. Why even the flat-earthers will get your point
now :)
Bill
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From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 10:07
AM
Subject: Re:
If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck
Bill
Calling everyone but your little "perichoresis"
groupies a pack and/or jerk is neither kind nor is it loving.
jt
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:04:26 -0600 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Now this is totally uncalled
for,... jt
David, David, David, David! Do I have your attention? Much more
important than that, does God have your attention on this matter? Your post
is rife with sloppy and errant thinking (naturally and spiritually). For a
logician of the first order, there are times when ya surely exhibit the
I do want to drop it! See my previous post. It's you, it's you, it's you O
Dave, standing in the need of prayer! (There's a kind of, pretend smiley, I
think, David) May the flock be with you!
But then, how could they not as you'd just judge them for their disagreement
with you (by extension once
MY POINT IS THIS: he already has and continues to do so!! But you are the Prophet -- shouldn't you already know this? I do.
Jd-Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:26:44 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On playing
And to think you got this way without drugs ! I jest, of course.
JD-Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:29:50 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess On reading/interpreting the Scriptures for living
Jere 321:31-34 is NOT applicable to this discussion for it does not referencebiblical interpretations.
Jd-Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:51:01 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess On
Bill Taylor wrote:
Hard to tell based on the limited infomation I have on either
man.
Terry
Isn't it amazing how much less
information it takes to determinethe jerks among us?
We all get your point, Lance -- and
it's a valid one. But please do not toss me out in another
Does becoming upset excuse bad behavior JD?
Jesus told the sons of thunder they didn't know what
spirit they were of.jt
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:51:24 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy -- do you have any idea what was upsetting to
Bill?JD
From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Terry
writes I think the question was probably designed to put you in
the expert's seat and we were expected to verify that with our
answer.
Well, you certainly did none of that. By the
way, you are amazingly perceptive for a man who wrote with no forethought or
intended malice. I hope
Of course not -- but you do not ask the right question. The question should be "Does bad behavior excuse bad behavior."Those on theright fairly often make worded statements that exclude some on this forum from The Faith. Such was the assumption(probably unintentional) from DM and the confirmation
I didn't see what Terry wrote as bad behavior; I saw it
as him making anhonest statement.
If Bill felt "excluded from the faith" by that, then he
obviously needs some foundational work
I didn't read any assumption from DM dither - but
then that was possibly another figment
since he is
Bill Taylor wrote:
Terry
writes I think the question was probably designed to put you in
the expert's seat and we were expected to verify that with our answer.
Well, you certainly did none
of that. By the way, you are amazingly perceptive for a man who wrote
with no
Lance wrote:
Contradicted? If this were an exercise in logic
then, OK. But, it is an
exercise in humour so, no.
I normally keep thoughts like these to myself, but I
thought you would appriciate this, Lance.
It was John Knowles in A Seperate Peace that said,
Sarcasm is the protest of the weak.
Like I said, Terry, I hope you sleep well tonight;
I'm sure the air is heavy where you're at right now.
Bill
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From:
Terry Clifton
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:59
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On playing
David Miller wrote:
Why don't we let Bill address the validity of this
assumption. Bill, would it benefit your understanding
of Scripture in any way if Jesus sat down with
you and discussed these passages with you every day
for two months?
Bill wrote:
He would probably say something like,
Is this exchange an example of discussing personal attributes?
What is the difference betwixt it AD HOM?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do want to drop it! See my previous post. It's you, it's you, it's you ODave, standing in the need of prayer! (There's a kind of, pretend smiley, Ithink,
I come back here all I find is one AD HOM after another.
While the preacher is away the Devil's at play.
How's about just admiting it and do the right thing change the name to AD HOM Talk!r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm sure that will make a world's worth of difference -- on several planes. Why
Okay.
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From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 3:11
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Name
Change
I come back here all I find is one AD HOM after another.
While the preacher is away the Devil's at
Kevin, I understand your point of view, but there are a few things I want to
mention.
1. Most posters on TT ( along with the rest of the world) are very sly at
couching thier ad-homs in iffy borderline statements.
2. If I made a practice of trying to call every sly iffy borderline ad-hom,
I
TT members,
At times I have psoted negative ad-hominem comments just like others on
the list have from time to time. Speaking for myself on this, anytime I have
posted such negative comments, whether slyly, or blatantly, I have ALWAYS
known exactly in what spirit I have posted these
And that, dear sir, was not your point !! You oftenforget that I know how to read.
JD-Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:00:55 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess On reading/interpreting the
LOL -- He got ya,deegan.!! -Original Message-From: Bill Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:17:02 -0600Subject: [TruthTalk] AD HOM Talk
Okay.
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From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
No figment here. I know when I have been placed in hell and when I have not. And I know when a brother has been placed outside the realm of theSpirit and when he has not -- if I can't figure that out -- we should just stop writing altogether. By the way, Judy -- I am not including you in any of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And that, dear sir, was not your point !! You oftenforget
that I know how to read.
JD
=
That you do, JD. I can confirm that your reading is much better than
your writing.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No figment here. I know when I have been placed in hell and
when I have not. And I know when a brother has been placed outside the
realm of theSpirit and when he has not -- if I can't figure that
out -- we should just stop writing altogether.
Actually, at this point in my post, I was not referencing either you or Bill. I was dealing with something that Judy had written. I do think we have made our several points and associated insults -- time to move on.
JD-Original Message-From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, at this point in my post, I was not
referencing either you or Bill. I was dealing with
something that Judy had written. I do think we have made our several
points and associated insults -- time to move on.
JD
Style, content or both? Or did you just get up on the wrong side of the bed this afternoon?
JD-Original Message-From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:08:29 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On playing chess On reading/interpreting the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Style, content or both? Or did you just get up on the wrong
side of the bed this afternoon?
JD
==
I was not thinking either style or content, John. I was thinking more
on the
Maybe Terry just forgot that your typing
is affected by the no fingers thingy, JD. Hows the knee? iz
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Just commenting that for a short period ther was NO substance posted other than non stop ("you are a " fill in blank)Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin, I understand your point of view, but there are a few things I want to mention.1. Most posters on TT ( along with the rest of the
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