In a message dated 1/8/2005 7:34:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The dangerous aspects are those within the movement who emphasize shadows over reality.
News flash Truth is "dangerous." The above comments, once again, have nothing to do with the actual debate
In a message dated 1/8/2005 6:20:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John wrote There is a very real sense, then, that salvation is ours to loose.
I agree with you, John. However, it is only before we have once placed our faith in Jesus Christ that we may lose our
In a message dated 1/8/2005 4:53:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
He is 'saved" when he stops serving himself and begins the quest for expressed community and all the benefits that are associated with community. Smithson
Smithson, what if his chosen community is Al
Slade Henson wrote:
In the fourth quarter of 2004 (Oct-Dec), these are the ending numbers:
A total of 5,891 messages passed our port.
Clifton, Terry 334 Items5.67% of the total
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Dave Hansen wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=35825item=6145256992rd=1ssPageName=WDVW
What a find If only I could afford it. Maybe I could get G and
Izzy to chip in and buy it for me. Lance may be interested too. He
could display it in his store window.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/8/2005 6:20:37 AM
Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John wrote There is a very real sense, then, that
salvation is ours to loose.
I
agree with you, John. However, it is only before we have once
placed our
Ugh! That's as bad as the recent Madonna on an old dried up slice of cheese
pizza that went for thousands. Izzy
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Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 12:49 AM
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Al Qaeda is not a
religous choice, as far as I am concern. There is nothing in
Al Qaeda tha demonstrates the Lordhsip of Christ and His teachings.
But what about Buddism? Are Buddist's saved?
I would ask the question a little differenctly. I would ask:
Can a Buddist be saved?
For me
Woops...that was me, Dave, not Slade. I forgot to sign it.
I would say LDS folks fall under the Christian category.
Kay
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Sent: Sunday, 09 January, 2005 02.28
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/8/2005 4:53:45 AM
Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
He is 'saved" when he stops serving himself and begins the quest for
expressed community and all the benefits that are associated with
community. Smithson
Sin will not separate us --
How am I doing?
John
Not well, John. I admire your searching for truth, just
not your conclusions. Stick with the Bible, John, not with human reasoning.
Thats my advise. Izzy
I John7(R)Little children,
make sure no one (S)deceives you; (T)the one who
DAVEH: Oh, I don't know it's all that bad Izzy. What is bad is
that I think DavidM is currently the high bidder under an alias ;-)
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Ugh! That's as bad as the recent Madonna on an old dried up slice of cheese
pizza that went for thousands. Izzy
Subject:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 8:57 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2
Woops...that was me, Dave, not Slade. I forgot to sign it.
I
Terry Clifton wrote:
Dave Hansen wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=35825item=6145256992rd=1ssPageName=WDVW
What a find If only I could afford it. Maybe I could get G
and Izzy to chip in and buy it for me.
DAVEH: No need to worry 'bout that, Terry..I
DaveH, I think I spied
Joseph Smith (and a couple dozen of his wives) in my banana this morning--I'm
putting it on eBay for all the mormons to fight over asap!!! Izzy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Dave Hansen
Sent: Sunday,
We
have also found that "missionizing Jews" doesn't work, either. It turns them
off.
I
recently spent a day with my boss who is a Jewish man. We had a distance to
travel together. Some of the folks I work with have been missionizing him. Their
intentions are good and their hearts are
All I
did was read the definition. As Christian is defined, lots of denominations
would be included.
Are
you saying that Dave believes in multiple gods?
Kay
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Ask Dave (he cannot tell a lie. J ) Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005
9:17 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Mormon
Related #2
All I did was read the definition. As
Slade Henson wrote:
All I did was read the definition. As Christian
is defined, lots of denominations would be included.
Are you saying that Dave believes in multiple
gods?
DAVEH: Yes.. but I believe we are only to worship one God. IMHO
the Bible supports my belief, but
DAVEH: I do hope DavidM sees it and places a bid. I'm sure he will
want to gift it to me for Christmas should he win itunless Terry
talks it out of him first! :-)
ShieldsFamily wrote:
DaveH,
I think I spied
Joseph Smith (and a couple dozen of his wives) in my
DAVEH: Thank you, Kay. I do hope Perry and Kevin will provide their
definitions of Christian as well.
Slade Henson wrote:
Woops...that was me, Dave, not Slade. I forgot to sign it.
I would say LDS folks fall under the Christian category.
Kay
DAVEH: Thanx for contributing to the
So,
you're saying...yes, you believe in multiple gods, but you only worship only ONE
God? Or LDS believe in multiple gods and YOU personally only worship/believe in
one? Do you think the Trinity doctrine is worshipping three
Gods?
Kay
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John How am I
doing?
"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes
in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but
has passed from death into life." -- John 5.24
I think we're close, John.
By the way, Michael got third place again
Maybe we could just do the bidding right
here on TT? Come on folks, send in those bids NOW!!! (Before that banana turns
black.) Izzy
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Behalf Of Dave Hansen
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005
9:38 AM
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jt: I wouldn't have thought that at one time but I am
now seriously reconsidering in light of all this
Eternal Father, Eternal Son talk. I had thought
that Godhead and Trinity were speaking of the same thing
Now I'm not so sure. If the Father and Son are
locked into these roles then it
In a message dated 1/9/2005 6:22:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Looks like you have most of it figured out John, but as I read what you say, I sometimes have trouble seeing a concrete statement. Please answer this question yes or no ,based on what you now believe. If a
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:24:44 -0800
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Hi, DaveH.
I'll bet you are surprised that I responded to this email :-). Kevin
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:43:50 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
DAVEH: ??? Do you believe one
can be saved without obedience to repentance?John: Aaah. My first real question after
stating that I know what I believe.What we might call
"obedience", which would include
In a message dated 1/9/2005 6:27:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John, I think NOT. You say that there is salvation in none other than Christ, but also that someone whose god is Buddha is saved. This is very confused reasoning. Either you are IN Christ or you are NOT.
In a message dated 1/9/2005 6:59:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
it is not because of his faith -- it is because of the faith of Christ Jesus Himself. There is salvation in none other. On that we all agree.
Does Dave Hansen agree?
DAVEH: Yes.
John
So be it How
In a message dated 1/9/2005 7:06:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sin will not separate us --
How am I doing?
John
The practice of sin (read: given over as a servant of sin) is not the same as sinning,
The scriptures you quote about the practice of sin are favorites
Looks like you have most of it figured out John, but as I
read what you say, I sometimes have trouble seeing a concrete statement.
Please answer this question yes or no ,based on what you now believe. If
a theif believes that Christ is his Savior, but continues to steal, Is he
saved?
Terry
In a message dated 1/9/2005 10:44:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/9/2005 6:22:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Looks like you have most of it figured out John, but as I read what you say, I sometimes
Interesting. That just described most brands of Christians who also follow a
different jesus from the one we find in the Bible.
Kay
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Locke
Sent: Sunday, 09 January, 2005 13.37
To:
In a message dated 1/9/2005 10:52:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:43:50 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
DAVEH: ??? Do you believe one can be saved without obedience to repentance?
John: Aaah. My first real question after
In a message dated 1/9/2005 12:32:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is he stealing pencils at work, pilfering words from another author, not working as hard for his pay as he could and should (a form of theft), keeping extra change after a purchase, stealing food from a
John Smithson wrote to Izzy:
You write Your faith in Christ is what saves you
not His faith in you. The first part of this statement,
ignores the Gentile in Romans 2 who had no faith in
Christ, was neither a Jew or a Christian but simply
accomplished ( to a degree) those things in the law
Kay wrote:
Are you thinking of celebrating Sukkot?
It depends upon what you mean by the word celebrating. Are you sure you
meant to use this word?
This week is actually meant to be a week of remembrance, with special
sacrifices made by fire each day. If you are asking me if I am thinking of
On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:38:04 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:So be it How can I conclude that Dave
Hansen is not a brother ( in the grandest sense of that word)
when this confession is so? The
only rebuttal, as I see it, is to effectively argue that "brotherhood" is based
upon
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/9/2005 6:59:03 AM
Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
it
is not because of his faith -- it is because of the faith of Christ
Jesus Himself. There is salvation in none other. On that we all
agree.
Does Dave Hansen
You
forgot your guyBenny Hinn...right???
:)
Kay
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, 09 January, 2005
14.38To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re:
[TruthTalk] Why the Eternal Sonship
John wrote when, exactly,
was the prodigal saved? When he came to himself? When he
turned and started the trek home? When he saw his
father? When he came to the door of the house? When he
entered therein or when or accepted and particiated in the meal? I
say -- in the pit, with the swine,
No need to throw the baby out with the bath water,
Judy. Three Persons, Yes -- but One God. Do a study on the Hebrew word
echad; that will help you understand the oneness of God.
Bill
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc:
So, if
a doctor took the wrong kidney on you, what would you do? Forgive and forget?
Woops, little slip there with the knife, doc had one too many to drink before he
came in tonight.
By the
wayI met with a client last night who had a little slip up in the OR. Doc
cut his femoral artery
If the
case will lose, then the other side should refuse to settle. Never, ever take a
plea bargain if you're not guilty. I learned that one first
hand.
Kay
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ShieldsFamilySent: Friday, 07
I think the better translation would be more along the
line of,
Lev 23:42 "You shall dwell in booths seven days; all that
are home-born in Israel shall dwell in booths;"
JPS version
But then this was a shadow of things to come, in our
Fathers Kingdom, we will celebrate with all the
JS: Nor will I ever be whatever Judy
is (I truly do not know her denominational
tie) or a Baptist as is BillyT.
jt: I'm a follower of Christ John. I
don'tpromoteanydenomination.
BillyT goes to a Baptist Church (Conservative
Baptist), but Bill likes to think of himself as a free-agent. I
Isn't Benny Hinn Jewish?
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From:
Slade
Henson
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005
18:28
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Why the Eternal
Sonship of Christ Matters to Me
You
forgot your guyBenny Hinn...right???
If you
like, I have one already done..
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slade
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TaylorSent: Sunday, 09 January, 2005 18.40To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] On
Echad
No need to throw the
Unfortunately DavidM decided this was a major reason that the Messianic
Movement is dangerous. I am merely quoting DavidM in this manner. Please know
that in my last email, the courier font was DavidM.
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slade
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I
think he's from Palestine
Kay
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PowersSent: Sunday, 09 January, 2005 19.08To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Why the Eternal
Sonship of Christ Matters to Me
He's from Lebanon. judyt
On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 19:48:39 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
I
think he's from Palestine
Kay
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PowersSent: Sunday, 09 January,
Are
Jews no longer Jewish when they accept their very Jewish
Savior?
Does
anyone agree 100% with what their church, home group, denomination, etc. has to
say regarding doctrine or beliefs?
For
instance, our ministry is affiliated with another rather large ministry and I
don't believe
It is a time of rejoicing
Deut. 16:14 WOULD include you.
REJOICE at your festival--you, your sons and daughters, your male and female
slaves, the Levi living in your towns, and the FOREIGNERS [that would be
you, David], orphans and widowers among you. [You qualify...you're among
US...here
Way to gopromote more
lawsuits. Dont be thankful that things turned out okay. Its
biblical and exactly what our nation needs more of, right? J Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005
5:47 PM
To:
Its economics, Kay. Settle
and lose a little or win a drawn out case and lose more (due to legal costs).
Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005
5:48 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE:
Try Lebanese?
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Powers
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005
6:08 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Why the
Eternal Sonship of Christ Matters to Me
Isn't Benny Hinn Jewish?
-
hey, what ever he is, benny ha ha has a great
money-making shtick going! Now if only he could see clear to support a
couple of starving seminary students!
:)
Jeff
Life makes warriors of us all.To emerge the victors,
we must armourselves with the most potent of weapons.That weapon is
We have 28 subscribers.
-- slade
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From: Dave Hansen
Sent: Sunday, 09 January, 2005 02.06
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moderator Report
BTWHow many TTers are currently subscribed?
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know
Embarrassment
-- slade
-Original Message-
From: Terry Clifton
Sent: Sunday, 09 January, 2005 07.13
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moderator Report
What did we win? Cash? Prizes?
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know
how you ought to answer
Jeff wrote:
I think the better translation would
be more along the line of,
Lev 23:42 You shall dwell in booths seven
days; all that are home-born in Israel shall
dwell in booths; JPS version
Yes, that is a better translation. Thanks. So the command to observe
Sukkoth is only meant for
In a message dated 1/9/2005 2:08:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Read Romans 2 again. The Gentile there is one who had faith in Christ.
Otherwise, Paul contradicts other statements that he makes in the book of
Romans.
Paul's point in Romans 2 is this: Paul is concerned
Bill Taylor wrote:
The Son did not become less than God
in his service to humanity
David Miller wrote:
1. Yeshua, in his earthly service to humanity,
was made a little lower than the angels.
2. Yeshua said his father was greater than he was.
Do such facts have any relevance in discussing
In a message dated 1/9/2005 3:05:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:38:04 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So be it How can I conclude that Dave Hansen is not a brother ( in the grandest sense of that word)
when this confession is so? The only
Think red this go round:
Jeff wrote: I think the better
translation would be more along the line of, Lev 23:42
"You shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are home-born in
Israel shall dwell in booths;" JPS version Yes,
that is a better translation. Thanks. So the command to
John wrote:
these Gentiles KNOW NOTHING. They have
heard nothing (v v 13,14) that would cause
them to even begin to compare with those
of prominence.
The phrase, For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the
doers of the law shall be justified, does not mean that these who did
DAVEH: Thanx Slade. Hm.that ain't too many, eh! I wonder if
we should have a membership drive?!?!?!?! :-)
BTW.I suppose we could invite the street preachers back :-(
Slade Henson wrote:
We have 28 subscribers.
-- slade
BTWHow many TTers are currently
DAVEH: FWIW...I am encouraged that only 9 of the 28 subscribers
were lurking last quarter. We have a higher participation ratio (2/3)
than I would have thought.
Slade Henson wrote:
We have 28 subscribers.
-- slade
BTWHow many TTers are currently subscribed?
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In a message dated 1/9/2005 6:23:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So be it How can I conclude that Dave Hansen is not a brother ( in the grandest sense of that word) when this confession is so? The only rebuttal, as I see it, is to effectively argue that "brotherhood"
In a message dated 1/9/2005 7:53:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You forgot your guyBenny Hinn...right???
:)
Yes - I say reluctantly.
JD
In a message dated 1/9/2005 7:53:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
JS: Nor will I ever be whatever Judy is (I truly do not know her denominational tie) or a Baptist as is BillyT.
jt: I'm a follower of Christ John. I don't promote any denomination.
BillyT goes to a
DAVEH: My latest response is in BLUE.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/9/2005 6:23:38 PM
Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So be it How can I conclude that Dave Hansen is not a brother (
in the grandest sense of that word) when this
In a message dated 1/9/2005 7:53:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John wrote when, exactly, was the prodigal saved? When he came to himself? When he turned and started the trek home? When he saw his father? When he came to the door of the house? When he entered therein or
David Miller wrote:
Are you saying that if I build my own altar
(kind of like Noah did) to observe the Torah
commandments that I would be in violation
of Torah? Can you tell me what passage I
would be in violation of?
Jeff wrote:
David are you a Levite? If not you would be
building a pagan
John wrote:
If Jesus was not the Son before the incarnation,
the virgin birth was His rite of adoption
No, because Jesus did not lay aside his divinity in becoming man. The
virgin birth was a miracle of God begetting a son, something that had never
been done before. There was no adoption,
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I'll bet you are surprised that I responded to this email :-). Kevin
is much more qualified than I to answer your question, but I thought
that I would just recall some rather detailed posts I made some
months, maybe a year, back. Many of our current
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