I recently critiqued both Kevin and Perry for that
which I deemed "conduct unbecoming..". I stand by what I said.
Further to this, those of you who have read both
(K/P)over time can discern their distinctive styles. I trust y'all possess
the maturity read 'through' to their meaning.
IMO the moral deterioration of America began with the
hedonism of the '60's. It involved Women's Lib, the anti-war movement, and
abortion "rights" being legalized. In short, the liberals took over the
country due to hedonism and rebellion against tradition and authority.
When I was in
Don't believe everything you hear. We have an abundant supply of
Mormons in the south. Far more than we need.
ShieldsFamily wrote:
There's
not a lot of history of tolerance in the South. Sorry to hear that.
Just goes to show that not everyone who is a self-proclaimed
"Christian"
There's not a lot of
history of tolerance in the South. Sorry to hear that. Just goes to
show that not everyone who is a self-proclaimed "Christian" really behaves like
Jesus. He would have rebuked the mormons and preached to them, but I don't
think He would beat them up! Izzy
From:
Response:IMO
MDOA began with the human heart (fallen) which is
no different now than at the founding of your nation
The hedonism of the '60's was no more significant
that the hedonism of the 20's
Women's Lib was precipitated, in part, by the
treatment of women by society in general and, in
I'm sure the same thing could happen anywhere else--sinners are
sinners everywhere.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry
CliftonSent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 6:18 AMTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com:
Revisiting '64 Civil
There are always those who mistakenly take the wrong positions,
and those who mistakenly call themselves Christians, on any issue. There
were many Christians who risked (and lost) their lives to protect Jews during
WWII. Ever hear of Corrie Ten Boom or Schindler? Just don't assume it's
The church is being forced to its collective knees by a world (US of A) that has had enough of the gross inconsistencies of a church that sought to force itself upon a part of society that did not care to be so dominated. Such is not solely an American pursuit, of course. The Established Church
Why is the anti-church bias so prevalent
among the left? Some of what you said is true, but the bias is overwhelming and
distorting of your opinions IMO. Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 8:21
AM
Have you ever entertained the idea
Lance that what you have judged here is NOT the
Church?
Not the one that Jesus is building anyway
because His disciples look like Him. Appears to me as
though
you have done vast research in all of the
wrong places... I can agree with you on one point.
DAVEH: If I were to move to Florida Terry, would you welcome me? :-)
Terry Clifton wrote:
Don't believe everything you hear. We have an abundant supply of
Mormons in the south. Far more than we need.
--
~~~
Dave Hansen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.langlitz.com
May I ask of you what it is that you mean by 'The
Church'? By the by, Judy, I have 'entertained that idea'. No, I do mean real
believers. I do mean the real church.
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: June 16, 2005 10:41
And you don't think that Bush bashing, America-hating, and calling us "Fundies" falls into the same category of "profaning" the beliefs of others? I didn't think we were being PC for some and not for others on TT. Izzy
That seems to be the problem in a nutshell, Liberals only see the beam in
It is Absurd and HIPPOcritical to whine about sensitivity and then call someone a FUNDIE!
Canada is an INSANE ASYLUM run by the Inmates!Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wasn't speaking only to you, Iz. In my opinion, we all need to try harder not to offend and need to try harder not to be
what does the list below have to do with true 'believers' the kind who walk
after the Spirit and do
not fulfill the lust of the flesh are ...
1. Not hedonistic
2. Godly women are joint heirs of the grace of God and don't need
liberation
3. Godly women do not seek to kill the gift of God
Blaine: What I had in mind mostly, Perry, was my first experience
with a Southern Baptist--I had rented an aptartment Iowned
in Midvale (located about 12 miles south of Salt lake City)to an SB man.
Not knowing he was a SB, wetried talking to himregards religion, and
were informed he was a
Blaine: For the sake of avoiding getting into a heated argument, I
apologize for anything that you saw as being a deliberate attempt to "besmirch"
you on TT, Brother Perry. However, I stillhave no explanation for
Raymond and I having the same experience when we tried to unsubscribe from
In a message dated 6/15/2005 9:12:46 PM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Blaine, In the email below, did you intend to post
those three pictures, plus Ray's new email address and your personal
correspondence with him? or was that just a mistake? Just checking it out
Blaine: So! You are the one! I assumed that witness came
from Perry. Poor ol' Perry, catching H--- for something he didn't even
do! Thanks for clarifying it, however--for some reason, this becomes
easier to handle knowing what actually happened.
In a message dated 6/15/2005 9:28:33 PM
Blaine, I accept your apology.
In order not to bore the TT readers of this thread, I will address your
statement However, I still have no explanation for Raymond and I having
the same experience when we tried to unsubscribe from TT. Aren't you the TT
moderator? This just looks suspiciously
In a message dated 6/15/2005 9:50:58 PM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Don't get me wrong -- Blaine was wrong IMO in the way this was handled. Should have been
private.
I could have handled this privately, andit
mayhave been better to do so. However, I would
In a message dated 6/15/2005 9:50:58 PM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It was
a part of their teachings back then that Temple marriages played a role in the
new world you would receive; the god of this earth was
not the main god. ?
JD, Sorry you were turned
Lance just does not know history.
It was Christians who freed the slaves
it was Christians who built the universities.
it was christians who built the hospitals.
It was christians who became the "angels" who braved the war to minister to the sick dying on the battlefields.
It is Red CROSS not
In a message dated 6/16/2005 6:02:25 AM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There's not a lot of history of tolerance in the
South. Sorry to hear that. Just goes to show that not everyone who
is a self-proclaimed "Christian" really behaves like Jesus. He would
have
I liked this, Izzy. It sounds good to me. Very well
written.
Blainerb
In a message dated 6/16/2005 7:52:42 AM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
IMO the moral deterioration of America began with the
hedonism of the '60's. It involved Women's Lib, the anti-war movement,
It was a part of their teachings back then that Temple marriages played a role in the new world you would receive
Still the teachings of the Church.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 6/15/2005 9:50:58 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Don't get me wrong -- Blaine
Can you imagine ministersfeeling so threatened by such a young lad thatthey felt they had to attack him from the pulpit?
So can you tell us why LDS feel so THREATENED by "Anti's"?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 6/15/2005 9:50:58 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
believing Mormons literally developed horns when it got dark. :)
Is that like Mormons believing that dark skinned persons became white when they got right?
Lot's of people claim to be Christians.
if you are born in the USA some consider you a Christian.
If you go to church, some consider you
In a message dated 6/16/2005 11:56:00 AM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It was a part of their teachings back then that Temple marriages
played a role in the new world you would receive
Still the teachings of the Church.
Blaine: True. But about the "god of this
In a message dated 6/16/2005 11:57:30 AM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Can you imagine ministersfeeling so threatened by such a
young lad thatthey felt they had to attack him from the
pulpit?
So can you tell us why LDS feel so THREATENED by
"Anti's"?
Different Spirits
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God
Difference between God a god
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the
In a message dated 6/16/2005 12:03:09 PM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
believing Mormons literally developed horns when it got
dark. :)
Is that like Mormons believing that dark skinned persons became white
when they got right?
Blaine: The BoM does indicate
BB says They leave out the good stuff.
But the good that the church does is NOT the ISSUE!
The church does good,
BUT it also does the MOST EVIL thing possible in all the UNIVERSE!
It damns peoples ETERNAL SOULS to HELL
TRUTH is the issue.
Let the chips fall where they may.
Gal 4;6 Am I
They actually seem to reflect their own feelings of being threatened
You are grasping at straws here Blaine. What "facts" make you think Antis feel threatened?
Believe meI do NOT feel threatened by whatever.
Even though I have been threatened by "Church security" and by individual mormons.
So you
Who are we to question history? We were not there, and so few details are given
As late as 1960 it was stated in GC that Indians can become WHITE delightsome thru a CHURCH PROGRAM not intermarriage!
LIGHTER than Brothers
October 1960 LDS Church Conference, Spencer Kimball utilized 2 Nephi 30:6
This happens all the time at "PRIDE" events.
Prayer requested for the preachers all over the US at these events, all this month and next.
It is starting to happen at normal events too.
I predict we will see some preacher gone to heaven within the next fews years at this rate.
ShieldsFamily [EMAIL
Anotherwords even you do not know?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You might try actually reading my post. It's in there.
JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:17:45 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Transitional
Blainer:You have hit on the right issue, alright.
There is a teaching in the LDS church that Satan for all practical
purposes is the god of this world, ie., Lord of the spiritual wickedness that is
"of the world," and not of God. In other words, Satan has a lot of power
to work through the
Are your beliefs "profaned" by Dan Brown's "The Da Vinci Code"?
YES, should we censor him? Does he not have a right to those beliefs?
Just what exactly is the problem with mocking someones beliefs? If you are so against profaning others beliefs why do you do it on a regular basis?
Is it NOT
In a message dated 6/16/2005 12:47:15 PM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Why
was the BoM words changed to "PURE"
Delightsome?
BlaineActually I am not sure why they made the change. I
just know they did such, as it used to read, "WHITE and delightsome." I
suppose it
Whomever wrote this has had far too much exposure to Kevin and Izzie
(occasionally Judith). Elephant you say? What elephant? I don't see an elephant.
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: June 16, 2005 15:21
Subject:
In a message dated 6/13/2005 5:43:39 PM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't follow along with this thread as much as I should. Is
Oliver Granger a real character or is hesomeone who will receive the
name "Oliver Granger?" I am not sure (emphasis on "not sure")
There are false spirits and false christ's out there too.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blainer:You have hit on the right issue, alright. There is a teaching in the LDS church that Satan for all practical purposes is the god of this world, ie., Lord of the spiritual wickedness that is "of the world,"
But what about the "prophet" saying that a girl has becomer lighter (whiter) than her brother?
CMON Blaine, you need a better explanation than this.
The word white has now become the modern word pure?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 6/16/2005 12:47:15 PM Mountain Standard Time,
myth (too
simplistic; e.g.,this perspectivepresumes the righteousness of
'morals' in the previuos generation)
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 06:58:54 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
the moral deterioration of America began with the
hedonism of the '60's.
As far as my pursuing my investigation -- I did just that.Conclusion ?? That "works' exist as a response to the partnership Of God in our lives -- outside of that consideration, works are without eternal value.
JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan
my experience confirms it THEN, no matter what Kevin, Perry or a host of others might say I cannot, I shall not, I must not deny THE TRUTH; have we not truly come to an impasse?
Therein lies the PROBLEM you base everything on your experience just like the good little Humanist you are. You leave
Asman is, God once was .. was the reference.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:09:21 EDTSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fwd: Not enough time nor patience
In a message dated 6/16/2005 11:56:00 AM Mountain
myth [note the
dialectic in play, essentially arbitrary authoritarian
dualism]
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
..consider what God thinks is profane, instead of what you
think.
No, what I mean is that youhave a problem with comprehension.
JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:53:07 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Transitional Considerations and the Gospel.
Anotherwords even you
Thanks,
JD-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:41:55 EDTSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah
In a message dated 6/13/2005 5:43:39 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't follow along with this thread
m
y
t
h
![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
myth [note the dialectic in play, essentially arbitrary authoritarian dualism]
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
..consider what God thinks is profane, instead of what you think.
Discover Yahoo!
Get on-the-go
NO you have a problem keeping track of your own posts.
It was IZZy you responded too.
Icomprehend your ERROR just fine that is the real problem.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, what I mean is that youhave a problem with comprehension.
JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL
I rest my case !!
JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:14:25 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Transitional Considerations and the Gospel.
NO you have a problem keeping track of your own posts.
It was IZZy
http://www.utlm.org/images/anthontranscript.jpg
http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/anthon.htm
don't you think that just maybe, that the PROFESSOR Anthon might have been tipped off to the fact that it was a phony, by the spelling "CARACTORS" on the top of the page?Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
LOL
What a convoluted case it is.
At least you did not argue that it was me to whom you were responding in the original post.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I rest my case !!
JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 16 Jun 2005
If dark skin becoming lighter Is a symbol of truth, then Micheal jackson may
really be innocent!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths,
This Time in...
Date: Thu,
Kevin, are using pervert for JS in the same sense you used pervert for
JD?
From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fwd: Not enough time nor patience
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:33:45 -0700 (PDT)
BB says
LOL
You guys come up with some good ones sometimes.Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If dark skin becoming lighter Is a symbol of truth, then Micheal jackson may really be innocent!From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re:
But, Blaine, you said [OG] was obviously one who impressed Joseph Smith...
so who wrote DC 117:12? JS or god? Do you think JS was putting words in
gods mouth?
Perry
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill
NO JS was a sexual pervert, he was a fornicator, an adulterer and a sexual deviant.
He liked very young girls (known - 14 year olds SICK - possibly younger), he liked mothers daughters and he liked sisters, he was a pervert who practiced secret polygamy and polyandry
Some of his "wives" remained
I highlighted the words -- look for the "red" Deegan. Shouldn't have a problem finding it. Did you write these words or not? I was responding to those words. I rest my case.
JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 16 Jun 2005
Just finished watching a show on one of the Christian channels on the
dish. This evangelist/ preacher was going to college kids, trying to
show them their need for a savior. It was done with minimal preaching,
mostly one on one with the individual or small group in an interview format.
DAVEH: I'm not quite sure who you were addressing Lance, but it seems
like you are speaking to the Mormon boys. I think you've done a
reasonable job of assessing my position. It is pretty obvious that K
P have no interest in carrying on a meaningful religious
discussion with me, so I feel no
DAVEH: Why do you feel so insecure that you need to contend for your
faith, Kevin?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
It is called earnestly "Contending for the faith ONCE delivered
to the saints" in the scriptures.
Of course you would like us to shut up that makes your job of
propagating error much
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