Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-20 Thread Lance Muir
This is my understanding also. It (this description) might require a bit of tweeking but, it is as you say. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 19, 2005 21:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-20 Thread Lance Muir
, 2005 23:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy Interesting, but goofy. Terry DAVEH: Would you expect it to sound otherwise, coming from one avowed to be antagonistic towards Mormonism?Terry Clifton wrote: Charles Perry Locke wrote: Terry, it is a lot more

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-20 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: Earth to Terry:It is no more GOOFY than the Christian understanding of the Incarnation.That (the Incarnation) were it not real and absolutely true is the stuff of science fiction. If you would give

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-20 Thread Lance Muir
@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 20, 2005 08:36 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy Lance Muir wrote: Earth to Terry:It is no more GOOFY than the Christian understanding of the Incarnation.That (the Incarnation) were it not real and absolutely true is the stuff

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-20 Thread Judy Taylor
First hole Lance, you will not find an "eternally preexisting SON" in scripture. He is the Word of God ie "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God" In Proverbs He is the Wisdom of God .. and in other places "the angel of His Presence" He was the Rock

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-20 Thread knpraise
of "revelation," I do not know but I do know we have pictures of grandpa in stripes !! JD -Original Message-From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 03:53:08 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy This is my understa

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-20 Thread Judy Taylor
Holier than thou attitude eh Lance? I have not "villified" anything so far. What I am doing ischallenging your belief system which is what this list is all about. OTOH you frequentlycriticize and challenge ppl over who they are which is much, much, worse. If your sacrosanct "incarnational

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-20 Thread Charles Perry Locke
I do not feel an explanation is in order. I have made my statement. Dave evidently wants to carry on a bit. From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 04:52:15

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-20 Thread knpraise
ubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy Earth to Terry:It is no more GOOFY than the Christian understanding of the Incarnation.That (the Incarnation) were it not real and absolutely true is the stuff of science fiction. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-20 Thread Lance Muir
@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 20, 2005 09:15 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy Holier than thou attitude eh Lance? I have not "villified" anything so far. What I am doing ischallenging your belief system which is what this list is all about. OTOH you frequentl

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-20 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: The Son of God, eternally preexisting, took on, via an act of the Holy Spirit in His mother, Mary (virginal conception) humanity so as to Redeem us. Now, if not true, that's what I'd call 'science fiction'!

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-20 Thread Judy Taylor
I refuse to scavenge and scrounge around for material Lance and since you are not willing to be forthright and/or forthcoming there is no dialogue between us. But I have not gone anywhere - I am right here whenever you are ready. jt On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:22:38 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-20 Thread Judy Taylor
I have so far supported my claims JD; but Lance has taken his ball (doctrine) and gone home. It's OK to malign ppl but just don't touch an idol now... jt On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:44:29 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I do not understand your refusal to support your claims against the

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-20 Thread knpraise
--Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:15:24 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy Holier than thou attitude eh Lance? I have not "villified" anything so

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
. IFF you do not then, kindly refrain from so speaking. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 20, 2005 08:49 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy First hole Lance, you will not find an "eter

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
Lance gets knocked off his high horse, read all about it.Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Holier than thou attitude eh Lance? I have not "villified" anything so far. What I am doing ischallenging your belief system which is what this list is all about. OTOH you frequentlycriticize and

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
uir [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 04:38:34 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy Earth to Terry:It is no more GOOFY than the Christian understanding of the Incarnation.That (the Incarnation) were it not real and absolutely true is the stuff

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 20, 2005 09:15 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy Holier than thou attitude eh Lance? I have not "villified" anything so far. What I am doing ischallenging your belief system which is what this list is all a

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-20 Thread Dave Hansen
, if a little criticism can stop them! Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DaveH makes a good point here, Perry. Care to explain yourself? - Original Message - From: "Dave Hansen" To: Sent: June 20, 2005 00:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy D

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-20 Thread knpraise
: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:48:00 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy Why don't you highminded headyNICOLaitains fill us poor Laity in? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have an definitive idea as to what

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
; you just like mouthing off? JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:48:00 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy Why don't you highminded headyNICOLaitains fill us poor Laity in? [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
d, no foul? If I have, then correct me. Perry From: Dave Hansen Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org gt; To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:52:19 -0700 * I am not positive about a couple of them* DAVEH: Then why wou

RE: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy Holier than thou attitude eh Lance? I have not villified anything so far. What I am doing ischallenging your belief system which is what this list is all about. OTOH you frequentlycriticize and challenge ppl over who

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-20 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: I'm the one who was referring to TT, Kevin. I wonder if our Moderator has also been pondering why some TTers are not only reluctant to post, but also reluctant to remain once they visit TT. If so, that might partially explain his MODERATOR COMMENT post today. Kevin Deegan wrote: Who

[TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread Terry Clifton
Good morning, mister Hansen. I have a serious request. Can you explain to me how Mormons will have wives in Heaven when Jesus plainly teaches in Matt 22:29-33 that there will be no marriages in Heaven, no husbands and wives? Thank you. Terry -- Let your speech be always with

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: And good afternoon to you, Brother Terry! :-) Let me quote vs 30.. For in the resurrection, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. Note that he is talking about during/after the resurrection period, folks will will not

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread Terry Clifton
I understand your answer, Dave, but I have problems with it. What brought about this comment by Jesus was the possibility of more than one wife here on earth. If your first wife dies, you are free to take another. We know that God's plan for man has always been one man for one woman for life.

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread Dave Hansen
Terry Clifton wrote: I understand your answer, Dave, but I have problems with it. What brought about this comment by Jesus was the possibility of more than one wife here on earth. If your first wife dies, you are free to take another. We know that God's plan for man has always been

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread knpraise
American demographics from 2001. May be of interest. More info to follow. Yes --I am home alone, this evening. JD American Adults Religious Identification (Age 18+) Christian Religious Groups Catholic 24.5% Baptist 16.3% Christian (no denomination

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread Charles Perry Locke
@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:48:58 -0700 Terry Clifton wrote: I understand your answer, Dave, but I have problems with it. What brought about this comment by Jesus was the possibility of more than one wife here on earth. If your first wife

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread knpraise
Part of what I will be doing in local ministry will include something similar to the following. Perhaps I am somewhat naive but I include a prayer with such ministries to the effect that I acknowledge and anticipate the Lord's ability to work all things to His advantage. JD DID YOU

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: One might question the statistics of folks that have trouble spelling Mormon correctly. Here's another perspective Roman Catholic Church -- 63,683,030 (62,391,484) Southern Baptist Convention -- 15,960,308 (15,851,756) United Methodist Church -- 8,340,954 (8,377,662) Church of

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread Terry Clifton
Charles Perry Locke wrote: Terry, it is a lot more convoluted that you are imagining. Here are perhaps a couple of points that have not been revealed to you. I am not positive about a couple of them, so Dave, feel free to correct me if I understand this incorrectly. (If you don't, I am sure

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread Dave Hansen
: Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:48:58 -0700 Terry Clifton wrote: I understand your answer, Dave, but I have problems with it. What brought about this comment by Jesus was the possibility of more than one wife here on earth

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread knpraise
per hour !!. JD -Original Message-From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:01:07 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy DAVEH: One might question the statistics of folks that have trouble spelling Mormon correctly. Here's

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread Dave Hansen
@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:01:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy DAVEH: One might question the statistics of folks that have trouble spelling Mormon correctly. Here's another perspective Roman Catholic Church -- 63,683,030 (62,391,484

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread Charles Perry Locke
@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:48:58 -0700 Terry Clifton wrote: I understand your answer, Dave, but I have problems with it. What brought about this comment by Jesus was the possibility of more than one wife here on earth. If your

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
And what do you think of Historic Mormon POLANDRY? Polyandry: having more than one husband at a time Sincenon LDSmarriages are performed by ministers with no binding authority are they null void? http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/132 And verily I say unto you, that the conditions of this law

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
have erred, you try to make a big deal out of it. If I have not erred, no foul? If I have, then correct me. Perry From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
erry From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:52:19 -0700 * I am not positive about a couple of them* DAVEH: Then why would you try to teach somebody el

Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy

2005-06-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
The Bible says to have ONE Wife 1 Tim 3:2 the husband of one wifeSidney Rigdon said "The leaders of the church were monsters in human form; that Joseph was cut off for his transgression, that Joseph Smith departed from the living God, and like David and Solomon he contracted a whoring spirit and