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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-13 Thread Steve Timko

Billy Bush lawyer: Bush risked firing if he rebuked Trump

LOS ANGELES (AP) - An attorney for Billy Bush is defending the TV
personality's part in a lewd 2005 exchange with Donald Trump.
Marshall Grossman told The Hollywood Reporter that Bush would have
been fired from his then-job with "Access Hollywood" if he'd been
passive or told Trump to shut up.
Grossman noted Bush was a NBC Universal employee talking with NBC's
"The Apprentice" star.
The attorney, who was quoted by the trade paper online Thursday,
declined comment when reached by phone.
Bush, who joined NBC News' "Today" as a co-host in recent months, was
suspended after the tape became public last week. NBC is said to be
privately negotiating his exit.
Both NBC and "Access Hollywood" declined to comment on the report. A
publicist for Bush didn't immediately respond when asked for comment.


On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 3:19 PM, M-D November  wrote:
> Per this morning's post-knee replacement segment on Today, Roker expects to
> be back by the end of the month.  He's already on his feet and using a cane
> to get around.  So he should be back before Dreyer is due to go out on
> leave.
>
> I was wondering why Sheena Parveen hasn't been on WCAU over the last week or
> so...now we know.
>
>
> On Thursday, October 13, 2016 at 3:34:44 PM UTC-4, Diner wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 at 6:11:25 PM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> M-D November wrote:

 NJ native Dylan Dreyer, Roker's usual backup, was doing the weather this
 morning. She's also very pregnant - only slightly behind Savannah Guthrie -
 so if Roker is laid up for an extended period, someone may get called up
 from the minors.
>>>
>>>
>>> And I'll bet it's Sheena Parveen, who just transferred from WCAU to
>>> WRC...
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>
>> Could be, though to be clear, Parveen isn't leaving for Washington until
>> the end of the year.
>> http://www.phillymag.com/news/2016/10/05/sheena-parveen-leaving-nbc-10/
>>
>> She always did strike me as too ambitious to stay in Philadelphia for
>> long. I'm surprised she ended up lasting five years.
>>
>> And with both Sheena and Jillian Mele gone, there is officially no reason
>> to ever watch NBC10 again.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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RE: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-13 Thread Melissa P

I wonder which one we're going to lose; hope it's not Amelia Draper. 

From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Diner
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about women?

On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 at 6:11:25 PM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote:

M-D November wrote:

NJ native Dylan Dreyer, Roker's usual backup, was doing the weather this 
morning. She's also very pregnant - only slightly behind Savannah Guthrie - so 
if Roker is laid up for an extended period, someone may get called up from the 
minors. 

And I'll bet it's Sheena Parveen, who just transferred from WCAU to WRC...

B

Could be, though to be clear, Parveen isn't leaving for Washington until the 
end of the year.

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2016/10/05/sheena-parveen-leaving-nbc-10/

She always did strike me as too ambitious to stay in Philadelphia for long. I'm 
surprised she ended up lasting five years.

And with both Sheena and Jillian Mele gone, there is officially no reason to 
ever watch NBC10 again.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-13 Thread Diner



On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 at 6:11:25 PM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote:
>
>
> M-D November wrote:
>>
>> NJ native Dylan Dreyer, Roker's usual backup, was doing the weather this 
>> morning. She's also very pregnant - only slightly behind Savannah Guthrie - 
>> so if Roker is laid up for an extended period, someone may get called up 
>> from the minors. 
>
>
> And I'll bet it's Sheena Parveen, who just transferred from WCAU to WRC...
>
> B
>
>
Could be, though to be clear, Parveen isn't leaving for Washington until 
the end of the year.
http://www.phillymag.com/news/2016/10/05/sheena-parveen-leaving-nbc-10/

She always did strike me as too ambitious to stay in Philadelphia for long. 
I'm surprised she ended up lasting five years.

And with both Sheena and Jillian Mele gone, there is officially no reason 
to ever watch NBC10 again.




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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-13 Thread Henry Fung

With the Trump comments backstage on Miss USA and Miss Teen USA, plus
Trump's general indifference of saying things regardless of whether a
camera or mic is hot or not, I wonder who owns that footage. Although that
is the least of his problems.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 11:23 PM, Steve Timko  wrote:

> Mark Burnett says he never supported Trump's candidacy.
> http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/mark-burnett-
> donald-trump-apprentice-229706
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Tom Wolper  wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Adam Bowie 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Don't journalists protect their sources no matter what? Even if it means
> >> being sent to prison? I'm pretty sure that David Fahrenthold at the
> >> Washington Post said he knew his source for the Access Hollywood tape,
> but
> >> wasn't revealing it.
> >>
> >> But yes - an anonymous DVD or video file would be the way to go.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> So in this case the news organization cannot know the source unless
> >>> NBC/MGM/Burnett agree to release the footage which they won't.
> >>
> >>
> >>  I suspect that MGM/Burnett have the servers or tape library where the
> >> footage is stored on lockdown.
> >
> >
> > All I know is what I read on the internet. Still, it would be amusing to
> see
> > NBC, which has its own news division, suing a reporter and demanding to
> see
> > their sources under threat of prison.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-13 Thread Steve Timko

Mark Burnett says he never supported Trump's candidacy.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/mark-burnett-donald-trump-apprentice-229706

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Tom Wolper  wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Adam Bowie  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Don't journalists protect their sources no matter what? Even if it means
>> being sent to prison? I'm pretty sure that David Fahrenthold at the
>> Washington Post said he knew his source for the Access Hollywood tape, but
>> wasn't revealing it.
>>
>> But yes - an anonymous DVD or video file would be the way to go.
>>
>>>
>>> So in this case the news organization cannot know the source unless
>>> NBC/MGM/Burnett agree to release the footage which they won't.
>>
>>
>>  I suspect that MGM/Burnett have the servers or tape library where the
>> footage is stored on lockdown.
>
>
> All I know is what I read on the internet. Still, it would be amusing to see
> NBC, which has its own news division, suing a reporter and demanding to see
> their sources under threat of prison.
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-12 Thread Tom Wolper

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Adam Bowie  wrote:

>
> Don't journalists protect their sources no matter what? Even if it means
> being sent to prison? I'm pretty sure that David Fahrenthold at the
> Washington Post said he knew his source for the Access Hollywood tape, but
> wasn't revealing it.
>
> But yes - an anonymous DVD or video file would be the way to go.
>
>
>> So in this case the news organization cannot know the source unless
>> NBC/MGM/Burnett agree to release the footage which they won't.
>>
>
>  I suspect that MGM/Burnett have the servers or tape library where the
> footage is stored on lockdown.
>

All I know is what I read on the internet. Still, it would be amusing to
see NBC, which has its own news division, suing a reporter and demanding to
see their sources under threat of prison.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-12 Thread Doug Eastick

There was an apprentice contestant on CNN last night that was corroborating
many of the sexist things trump said.  She also said that she's speaking
now because the 5 million penalty expired after five years.

Who knows of that's true but it's what she said.


On Wed, Oct 12, 2016, 4:10 PM PGage  wrote:

> But the reports I have seen suggest one or more staffers have access to
> key footage, which they could release on their own. This would be against
> the wishes of whoever ultimately controls it, and the idea is that everyone
> signed a release form that exacts a $4or $5M penalty. Presumably whoever
> released it would be fired, but the idea is to find a wealthy benefactor
> who would pay the penalty.
>
> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, Mark Jeffries  wrote:
>
> It should be pointed out that Trump co-owns all of the versions of "The
> Apprentice" he appeared on, which pretty much puts a stop to any attempt to
> mine outtakes for things he might've said.
>
> Also, it should be pointed out that Mark Cuban works for Burnett on "Shark
> Tank" (which, Adam, is our version of "Dragon's Den").
>
> And two other things of note:  The version of the tape that "Access" aired
> on Friday night had edited out Billy Bush's incriminating statements, to no
> avail.  And Al Roker, who was going to take a week off for medical reasons,
> was called back in to "Today" to sub for Bush and was remarkably neutral in
> his on-air reaction to Bush's suspension, which would indicate that Roker
> (and by extension, some "Today" veterans) were not mourning Bush's absence.
>
> Mark Jeffries
> Saints Spotlight Editor
> spotligh...@gmail.com
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 3:11 PM, PGage  wrote:
>
> This is a bit of a non-denial denial. Burnett appears to be saying that he
> is governed by the same non-disclosure agreement as everyone else. I don't
> think the issue is that Burnett will sue people who disclose, but that
> anyone who discloses will be held in violation, and owe millions of
> dollars. Should such a person refuse to pay, then presumably the rights
> holder would sue to force them to pay.
>
>
> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Adam Bowie  wrote:
>
> I suspect that it's less whether someone will risk a Mark Burnett lawsuit
> (I'm sure there'd be no shortage of people happy to pay the fine), as
> whether someone actually has access to the rushes.
>
> I suspect that NBC only ever took delivery of a finished "tape" of the
> show, and that after editing was completed, footage was stored away in some
> vault somewhere. It would have been sensitive at the time not least because
> of the gameshow element - nobody wanting leaks until the episodes had aired
> - but also because if Trump truly did say shocking things that were cut,
> Burnett's team would have been aware of the potential damage even without
> him embarking on a political campaign. It would have damaged the show for
> one thing, potentially affecting employment prospects of those who worked
> on the show.
>
> Indeed I wonder if the footage even *exists* any longer. It's not hard to
> imagine that hard drives or tapes have been wiped. As soon as Trump stood,
> I'd imagine that Burnett would either have doubled down on security of the
> footage, or expunged it altogether if he is, as reported, a Trump supporter.
>
> It will probably all come down to whether an employee somewhere along the
> line, took a copy or something incendiary and squirreled it away somewhere.
>
>
> Just to keep this updated, Mark Burnett said that he sold his production
> company to MGM a couple of years ago and they own all the rights now.
> Although I did see it pointed out that Burnett is the head of MGM TV. In
> any case the $5 million threat was never made.
>
> I would not have bothered with this but I got an email from MoveOn this
> morning with a petition to NBC and MGM calling on them to release the
> footage.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-12 Thread Bob Jersey


M-D November wrote:
>
> NJ native Dylan Dreyer, Roker's usual backup, was doing the weather this 
> morning. She's also very pregnant - only slightly behind Savannah Guthrie - 
> so if Roker is laid up for an extended period, someone may get called up 
> from the minors. 


And I'll bet it's Sheena Parveen, who just transferred from WCAU to WRC...

B

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-12 Thread Adam Bowie

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Tom Wolper  wrote:

I always assumed that an employee would be the one to hand over footage.
> And it has to be done anonymously, meaning that the news organization
> cannot know the source. This came up when the NYT published the Trump state
> tax return with the $916M loss. The reporter went to her snail mail box in
> the office and saw the manila envelope. If she knew who sent it, NYT's
> legal department would have forced her to sit on it or find another way to
> get it out in public. If she knew the source, in a courtroom she could be
> compelled to reveal it of face contempt charges.
>
>
Don't journalists protect their sources no matter what? Even if it means
being sent to prison? I'm pretty sure that David Fahrenthold at the
Washington Post said he knew his source for the Access Hollywood tape, but
wasn't revealing it.

But yes - an anonymous DVD or video file would be the way to go.


> So in this case the news organization cannot know the source unless
> NBC/MGM/Burnett agree to release the footage which they won't.
>

 I suspect that MGM/Burnett have the servers or tape library where the
footage is stored on lockdown.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-12 Thread M-D November

NJ native Dylan Dreyer, Roker's usual backup, was doing the weather this 
morning. She's also very pregnant - only slightly behind Savannah Guthrie - so 
if Roker is laid up for an extended period, someone may get called up from the 
minors. 

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-12 Thread Mark Jeffries

We shall see.

BTW. Roker did enter the hospital for hip replacement surgery yesterday
(best of luck) and Carson the Tool is filling in for him as "Today"'s 9
a.m. host.  I assume someone from the Weather Channel is filling in for
Roker for the weather reports.

Mark Jeffries
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On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 3:09 PM, PGage  wrote:

> But the reports I have seen suggest one or more staffers have access to
> key footage, which they could release on their own. This would be against
> the wishes of whoever ultimately controls it, and the idea is that everyone
> signed a release form that exacts a $4or $5M penalty. Presumably whoever
> released it would be fired, but the idea is to find a wealthy benefactor
> who would pay the penalty.
>
> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, Mark Jeffries  wrote:
>
>> It should be pointed out that Trump co-owns all of the versions of "The
>> Apprentice" he appeared on, which pretty much puts a stop to any attempt to
>> mine outtakes for things he might've said.
>>
>> Also, it should be pointed out that Mark Cuban works for Burnett on
>> "Shark Tank" (which, Adam, is our version of "Dragon's Den").
>>
>> And two other things of note:  The version of the tape that "Access"
>> aired on Friday night had edited out Billy Bush's incriminating statements,
>> to no avail.  And Al Roker, who was going to take a week off for medical
>> reasons, was called back in to "Today" to sub for Bush and was remarkably
>> neutral in his on-air reaction to Bush's suspension, which would indicate
>> that Roker (and by extension, some "Today" veterans) were not mourning
>> Bush's absence.
>>
>> Mark Jeffries
>> Saints Spotlight Editor
>> spotligh...@gmail.com
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 3:11 PM, PGage  wrote:
>>
>>> This is a bit of a non-denial denial. Burnett appears to be saying that
>>> he is governed by the same non-disclosure agreement as everyone else. I
>>> don't think the issue is that Burnett will sue people who disclose, but
>>> that anyone who discloses will be held in violation, and owe millions of
>>> dollars. Should such a person refuse to pay, then presumably the rights
>>> holder would sue to force them to pay.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, Tom Wolper  wrote:
>>>
 On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Adam Bowie 
 wrote:

> I suspect that it's less whether someone will risk a Mark Burnett
> lawsuit (I'm sure there'd be no shortage of people happy to pay the fine),
> as whether someone actually has access to the rushes.
>
> I suspect that NBC only ever took delivery of a finished "tape" of the
> show, and that after editing was completed, footage was stored away in 
> some
> vault somewhere. It would have been sensitive at the time not least 
> because
> of the gameshow element - nobody wanting leaks until the episodes had 
> aired
> - but also because if Trump truly did say shocking things that were cut,
> Burnett's team would have been aware of the potential damage even without
> him embarking on a political campaign. It would have damaged the show for
> one thing, potentially affecting employment prospects of those who worked
> on the show.
>
> Indeed I wonder if the footage even *exists* any longer. It's not hard
> to imagine that hard drives or tapes have been wiped. As soon as Trump
> stood, I'd imagine that Burnett would either have doubled down on security
> of the footage, or expunged it altogether if he is, as reported, a Trump
> supporter.
>
> It will probably all come down to whether an employee somewhere along
> the line, took a copy or something incendiary and squirreled it away
> somewhere.
>

 Just to keep this updated, Mark Burnett said that he sold his
 production company to MGM a couple of years ago and they own all the rights
 now. Although I did see it pointed out that Burnett is the head of MGM TV.
 In any case the $5 million threat was never made.

 I would not have bothered with this but I got an email from MoveOn this
 morning with a petition to NBC and MGM calling on them to release the
 footage.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-12 Thread Tom Wolper

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 4:09 PM, PGage  wrote:

> But the reports I have seen suggest one or more staffers have access to
> key footage, which they could release on their own. This would be against
> the wishes of whoever ultimately controls it, and the idea is that everyone
> signed a release form that exacts a $4or $5M penalty. Presumably whoever
> released it would be fired, but the idea is to find a wealthy benefactor
> who would pay the penalty.
>

I always assumed that an employee would be the one to hand over footage.
And it has to be done anonymously, meaning that the news organization
cannot know the source. This came up when the NYT published the Trump state
tax return with the $916M loss. The reporter went to her snail mail box in
the office and saw the manila envelope. If she knew who sent it, NYT's
legal department would have forced her to sit on it or find another way to
get it out in public. If she knew the source, in a courtroom she could be
compelled to reveal it of face contempt charges.

So in this case the news organization cannot know the source unless
NBC/MGM/Burnett agree to release the footage which they won't.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-12 Thread PGage

But the reports I have seen suggest one or more staffers have access to key
footage, which they could release on their own. This would be against the
wishes of whoever ultimately controls it, and the idea is that everyone
signed a release form that exacts a $4or $5M penalty. Presumably whoever
released it would be fired, but the idea is to find a wealthy benefactor
who would pay the penalty.

On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> It should be pointed out that Trump co-owns all of the versions of "The
> Apprentice" he appeared on, which pretty much puts a stop to any attempt to
> mine outtakes for things he might've said.
>
> Also, it should be pointed out that Mark Cuban works for Burnett on "Shark
> Tank" (which, Adam, is our version of "Dragon's Den").
>
> And two other things of note:  The version of the tape that "Access" aired
> on Friday night had edited out Billy Bush's incriminating statements, to no
> avail.  And Al Roker, who was going to take a week off for medical reasons,
> was called back in to "Today" to sub for Bush and was remarkably neutral in
> his on-air reaction to Bush's suspension, which would indicate that Roker
> (and by extension, some "Today" veterans) were not mourning Bush's absence.
>
> Mark Jeffries
> Saints Spotlight Editor
> spotligh...@gmail.com
> 
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 3:11 PM, PGage  > wrote:
>
>> This is a bit of a non-denial denial. Burnett appears to be saying that
>> he is governed by the same non-disclosure agreement as everyone else. I
>> don't think the issue is that Burnett will sue people who disclose, but
>> that anyone who discloses will be held in violation, and owe millions of
>> dollars. Should such a person refuse to pay, then presumably the rights
>> holder would sue to force them to pay.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, Tom Wolper > > wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Adam Bowie 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I suspect that it's less whether someone will risk a Mark Burnett
 lawsuit (I'm sure there'd be no shortage of people happy to pay the fine),
 as whether someone actually has access to the rushes.

 I suspect that NBC only ever took delivery of a finished "tape" of the
 show, and that after editing was completed, footage was stored away in some
 vault somewhere. It would have been sensitive at the time not least because
 of the gameshow element - nobody wanting leaks until the episodes had aired
 - but also because if Trump truly did say shocking things that were cut,
 Burnett's team would have been aware of the potential damage even without
 him embarking on a political campaign. It would have damaged the show for
 one thing, potentially affecting employment prospects of those who worked
 on the show.

 Indeed I wonder if the footage even *exists* any longer. It's not hard
 to imagine that hard drives or tapes have been wiped. As soon as Trump
 stood, I'd imagine that Burnett would either have doubled down on security
 of the footage, or expunged it altogether if he is, as reported, a Trump
 supporter.

 It will probably all come down to whether an employee somewhere along
 the line, took a copy or something incendiary and squirreled it away
 somewhere.

>>>
>>> Just to keep this updated, Mark Burnett said that he sold his production
>>> company to MGM a couple of years ago and they own all the rights now.
>>> Although I did see it pointed out that Burnett is the head of MGM TV. In
>>> any case the $5 million threat was never made.
>>>
>>> I would not have bothered with this but I got an email from MoveOn this
>>> morning with a petition to NBC and MGM calling on them to release the
>>> footage.
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-12 Thread Tom Wolper

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Bob Jersey  wrote:

>
> TMZ
> 
> (link) is diving into the fray... they were told Bush bragged about the
> tape to network brass during the Olympics, and nothing was done about it
> then... giving him potential immunity down the road...
>

If Trump and Ailes and Bannon form a cable TV channel Bush might get a new
job. Otherwise he's finished in TV or at least pushed off to some low rated
cable channel.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-12 Thread Bob Jersey


TMZ 

 
(link) is diving into the fray... they were told Bush bragged about the 
tape to network brass during the Olympics, and nothing was done about it 
then... giving him potential immunity down the road...

B

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RE: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-12 Thread doug

Looks like Dick Wolf is going to beat her to the punch, with SVU.http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/entertainment/law-and-order-svu-election-episode/index.html Doug FieldsTampa, FL

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I want to see how Shonda rolls this Bushy and Trumpy reality into the plot of Scandal.   (although she already covered Hollis Doyle being a misogynist) On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Bob Jersey  wrote:Just to update, Bush is negotiating his departure (CNN's Brian Stelter), and has hired a "crisis communications firm" (TheWrap via Yahoo News)   B  --  --  TV or Not TV  The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TV or Not TV" group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en ---  You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.   --  --  TV or Not TV  The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TV or Not TV" group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en ---  You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. 

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-12 Thread Steve Timko


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/how-nbcs-infotainment-agenda-led-937517

Some thoughts on conflicting goals at NBC.

⁣Not sent from an iPhone.

On Oct 12, 2016, 8:49 AM, at 8:49 AM, Doug Eastick  wrote:
>I want to see how Shonda rolls this Bushy and Trumpy reality into the
>plot
>of Scandal.   (although she already covered Hollis Doyle being a
>misogynist)
>
>
>
>On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Bob Jersey 
>wrote:
>
>>
>> Just to update, Bush is negotiating his departure
>>
>
>> (CNN's Brian Stelter), and has hired a "crisis communications firm
>>
>"
>> (TheWrap via Yahoo News)   B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-12 Thread Doug Eastick

I want to see how Shonda rolls this Bushy and Trumpy reality into the plot
of Scandal.   (although she already covered Hollis Doyle being a
misogynist)



On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Bob Jersey  wrote:

>
> Just to update, Bush is negotiating his departure
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-12 Thread Bob Jersey


Just to update, Bush is negotiating his departure 
 
(CNN's Brian Stelter), and has hired a "crisis communications firm 
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(TheWrap via Yahoo News)   B

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-11 Thread Bob Jersey


PGage, to Tom Wolper and Adam Bowie:
>
> This is a bit of a non-denial denial. Burnett appears to be saying that he 
> is governed by the same non-disclosure agreement as everyone else. I don't 
> think the issue is that Burnett will sue people who disclose, but that 
> anyone who discloses will be held in violation, and owe millions of 
> dollars. Should such a person refuse to pay, then presumably the rights 
> holder would sue to force them to pay.
>
>
> Deadline (link): Gloria Allred, in behalf of people offended by Don, tried 
to request a meeting 

 
with Burnett to get the tapes released... to do it legally would likely 
have to wait till a first Trump term ends...

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-11 Thread Mark Jeffries

It should be pointed out that Trump co-owns all of the versions of "The
Apprentice" he appeared on, which pretty much puts a stop to any attempt to
mine outtakes for things he might've said.

Also, it should be pointed out that Mark Cuban works for Burnett on "Shark
Tank" (which, Adam, is our version of "Dragon's Den").

And two other things of note:  The version of the tape that "Access" aired
on Friday night had edited out Billy Bush's incriminating statements, to no
avail.  And Al Roker, who was going to take a week off for medical reasons,
was called back in to "Today" to sub for Bush and was remarkably neutral in
his on-air reaction to Bush's suspension, which would indicate that Roker
(and by extension, some "Today" veterans) were not mourning Bush's absence.

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On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 3:11 PM, PGage  wrote:

> This is a bit of a non-denial denial. Burnett appears to be saying that he
> is governed by the same non-disclosure agreement as everyone else. I don't
> think the issue is that Burnett will sue people who disclose, but that
> anyone who discloses will be held in violation, and owe millions of
> dollars. Should such a person refuse to pay, then presumably the rights
> holder would sue to force them to pay.
>
>
> On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Adam Bowie  wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect that it's less whether someone will risk a Mark Burnett
>>> lawsuit (I'm sure there'd be no shortage of people happy to pay the fine),
>>> as whether someone actually has access to the rushes.
>>>
>>> I suspect that NBC only ever took delivery of a finished "tape" of the
>>> show, and that after editing was completed, footage was stored away in some
>>> vault somewhere. It would have been sensitive at the time not least because
>>> of the gameshow element - nobody wanting leaks until the episodes had aired
>>> - but also because if Trump truly did say shocking things that were cut,
>>> Burnett's team would have been aware of the potential damage even without
>>> him embarking on a political campaign. It would have damaged the show for
>>> one thing, potentially affecting employment prospects of those who worked
>>> on the show.
>>>
>>> Indeed I wonder if the footage even *exists* any longer. It's not hard
>>> to imagine that hard drives or tapes have been wiped. As soon as Trump
>>> stood, I'd imagine that Burnett would either have doubled down on security
>>> of the footage, or expunged it altogether if he is, as reported, a Trump
>>> supporter.
>>>
>>> It will probably all come down to whether an employee somewhere along
>>> the line, took a copy or something incendiary and squirreled it away
>>> somewhere.
>>>
>>
>> Just to keep this updated, Mark Burnett said that he sold his production
>> company to MGM a couple of years ago and they own all the rights now.
>> Although I did see it pointed out that Burnett is the head of MGM TV. In
>> any case the $5 million threat was never made.
>>
>> I would not have bothered with this but I got an email from MoveOn this
>> morning with a petition to NBC and MGM calling on them to release the
>> footage.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-11 Thread PGage

This is a bit of a non-denial denial. Burnett appears to be saying that he
is governed by the same non-disclosure agreement as everyone else. I don't
think the issue is that Burnett will sue people who disclose, but that
anyone who discloses will be held in violation, and owe millions of
dollars. Should such a person refuse to pay, then presumably the rights
holder would sue to force them to pay.

On Tuesday, 11 October 2016, Tom Wolper  wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Adam Bowie  > wrote:
>
>> I suspect that it's less whether someone will risk a Mark Burnett lawsuit
>> (I'm sure there'd be no shortage of people happy to pay the fine), as
>> whether someone actually has access to the rushes.
>>
>> I suspect that NBC only ever took delivery of a finished "tape" of the
>> show, and that after editing was completed, footage was stored away in some
>> vault somewhere. It would have been sensitive at the time not least because
>> of the gameshow element - nobody wanting leaks until the episodes had aired
>> - but also because if Trump truly did say shocking things that were cut,
>> Burnett's team would have been aware of the potential damage even without
>> him embarking on a political campaign. It would have damaged the show for
>> one thing, potentially affecting employment prospects of those who worked
>> on the show.
>>
>> Indeed I wonder if the footage even *exists* any longer. It's not hard to
>> imagine that hard drives or tapes have been wiped. As soon as Trump stood,
>> I'd imagine that Burnett would either have doubled down on security of the
>> footage, or expunged it altogether if he is, as reported, a Trump supporter.
>>
>> It will probably all come down to whether an employee somewhere along the
>> line, took a copy or something incendiary and squirreled it away somewhere.
>>
>
> Just to keep this updated, Mark Burnett said that he sold his production
> company to MGM a couple of years ago and they own all the rights now.
> Although I did see it pointed out that Burnett is the head of MGM TV. In
> any case the $5 million threat was never made.
>
> I would not have bothered with this but I got an email from MoveOn this
> morning with a petition to NBC and MGM calling on them to release the
> footage.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-11 Thread Steve Timko

Gerard Mulligan has a nice quip about Billy Bush and NBC.

Check out @GerardMulligan1's Tweet: 
https://twitter.com/GerardMulligan1/status/785915305549766657?s=09


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On Oct 9, 2016, 6:21 PM, at 6:21 PM, Bob Jersey  wrote:
>
>Adam Bowie, to Kevin M and Tom Wolper, in part:
>>
>> The Apprentice footage belongs to Mark Burnett right? Shouldn't he
>right 
>> now be shopping NBC an Apprentice Outtakes special? And yes, I
>realise that 
>> must mean some acknowledgement of how Trump behaved at the time.
>>
>>
>> Burnett has been fighting efforts 
>
>
>to release any Trump outtakes (CBS News link, but largely from Aypee).
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-11 Thread Tom Wolper

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Adam Bowie  wrote:

> I suspect that it's less whether someone will risk a Mark Burnett lawsuit
> (I'm sure there'd be no shortage of people happy to pay the fine), as
> whether someone actually has access to the rushes.
>
> I suspect that NBC only ever took delivery of a finished "tape" of the
> show, and that after editing was completed, footage was stored away in some
> vault somewhere. It would have been sensitive at the time not least because
> of the gameshow element - nobody wanting leaks until the episodes had aired
> - but also because if Trump truly did say shocking things that were cut,
> Burnett's team would have been aware of the potential damage even without
> him embarking on a political campaign. It would have damaged the show for
> one thing, potentially affecting employment prospects of those who worked
> on the show.
>
> Indeed I wonder if the footage even *exists* any longer. It's not hard to
> imagine that hard drives or tapes have been wiped. As soon as Trump stood,
> I'd imagine that Burnett would either have doubled down on security of the
> footage, or expunged it altogether if he is, as reported, a Trump supporter.
>
> It will probably all come down to whether an employee somewhere along the
> line, took a copy or something incendiary and squirreled it away somewhere.
>

Just to keep this updated, Mark Burnett said that he sold his production
company to MGM a couple of years ago and they own all the rights now.
Although I did see it pointed out that Burnett is the head of MGM TV. In
any case the $5 million threat was never made.

I would not have bothered with this but I got an email from MoveOn this
morning with a petition to NBC and MGM calling on them to release the
footage.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-10 Thread Adam Bowie

I suspect that it's less whether someone will risk a Mark Burnett lawsuit
(I'm sure there'd be no shortage of people happy to pay the fine), as
whether someone actually has access to the rushes.

I suspect that NBC only ever took delivery of a finished "tape" of the
show, and that after editing was completed, footage was stored away in some
vault somewhere. It would have been sensitive at the time not least because
of the gameshow element - nobody wanting leaks until the episodes had aired
- but also because if Trump truly did say shocking things that were cut,
Burnett's team would have been aware of the potential damage even without
him embarking on a political campaign. It would have damaged the show for
one thing, potentially affecting employment prospects of those who worked
on the show.

Indeed I wonder if the footage even *exists* any longer. It's not hard to
imagine that hard drives or tapes have been wiped. As soon as Trump stood,
I'd imagine that Burnett would either have doubled down on security of the
footage, or expunged it altogether if he is, as reported, a Trump supporter.

It will probably all come down to whether an employee somewhere along the
line, took a copy or something incendiary and squirreled it away somewhere.


Adam

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Doug Eastick  wrote:

> There is now a gofundme campaign to raise $5 million to cover the No Leak
> penalty in employmemt contacts that Burnett had with his employees.I
> guess there's hope that somebody will take that risk.
>
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2016, 11:09 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> Have we discussed here the twitter thread where somebody asked Mark Cuban
>> to pay the $5 M penalty that any employee would have to pay for making
>> footage available where Trump uses the N-word in Apprentice outtakes?
>> Apparently Burnett is a big Trump supporter and has vowed to hold everyone
>> accountable to the confidentiality clause he made them sign.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Bob Jersey 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Adam Bowie, to Kevin M and Tom Wolper, in part:
>>
>> The Apprentice footage belongs to Mark Burnett right? Shouldn't he right
>> now be shopping NBC an Apprentice Outtakes special? And yes, I realise that
>> must mean some acknowledgement of how Trump behaved at the time.
>>
>>
>> Burnett has been fighting efforts
>> 
>> to release any Trump outtakes (CBS News link, but largely from Aypee).
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-10 Thread Doug Eastick

There is now a gofundme campaign to raise $5 million to cover the No Leak
penalty in employmemt contacts that Burnett had with his employees.I
guess there's hope that somebody will take that risk.

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016, 11:09 PM PGage  wrote:

> Have we discussed here the twitter thread where somebody asked Mark Cuban
> to pay the $5 M penalty that any employee would have to pay for making
> footage available where Trump uses the N-word in Apprentice outtakes?
> Apparently Burnett is a big Trump supporter and has vowed to hold everyone
> accountable to the confidentiality clause he made them sign.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Bob Jersey  wrote:
>
>
> Adam Bowie, to Kevin M and Tom Wolper, in part:
>
> The Apprentice footage belongs to Mark Burnett right? Shouldn't he right
> now be shopping NBC an Apprentice Outtakes special? And yes, I realise that
> must mean some acknowledgement of how Trump behaved at the time.
>
>
> Burnett has been fighting efforts
> 
> to release any Trump outtakes (CBS News link, but largely from Aypee).
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-09 Thread PGage

Have we discussed here the twitter thread where somebody asked Mark Cuban
to pay the $5 M penalty that any employee would have to pay for making
footage available where Trump uses the N-word in Apprentice outtakes?
Apparently Burnett is a big Trump supporter and has vowed to hold everyone
accountable to the confidentiality clause he made them sign.

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Bob Jersey  wrote:

>
> Adam Bowie, to Kevin M and Tom Wolper, in part:
>>
>> The Apprentice footage belongs to Mark Burnett right? Shouldn't he right
>> now be shopping NBC an Apprentice Outtakes special? And yes, I realise that
>> must mean some acknowledgement of how Trump behaved at the time.
>>
>>
>> Burnett has been fighting efforts
> 
> to release any Trump outtakes (CBS News link, but largely from Aypee).
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-09 Thread Bob Jersey


Adam Bowie, to Kevin M and Tom Wolper, in part:
>
> The Apprentice footage belongs to Mark Burnett right? Shouldn't he right 
> now be shopping NBC an Apprentice Outtakes special? And yes, I realise that 
> must mean some acknowledgement of how Trump behaved at the time.
>
>
> Burnett has been fighting efforts 

 
to release any Trump outtakes (CBS News link, but largely from Aypee).

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-09 Thread Tom Wolper

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 8:47 PM, Steve Timko  wrote:

> You wonder, though, about statute of limitations for offenses. For
> instance, there is a correspondent for a major network who slipped
> drinks to underage college students at a journalism conference in
> rural Nevada in the late 1980s in an apparent attempt to sleep with
> them. Could he be sacked today for something that happened almost 30
> years ago? It's a longer period, but a more serious offense.
>

A statute of limitations applies only to prosecution, not employment. The
morals clause of an employment contract will call for termination in case
the employee brings shame to the company. If the shame happens in the
present it doesn't matter that the act occurred in the distant past.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-09 Thread Steve Timko

You wonder, though, about statute of limitations for offenses. For
instance, there is a correspondent for a major network who slipped
drinks to underage college students at a journalism conference in
rural Nevada in the late 1980s in an apparent attempt to sleep with
them. Could he be sacked today for something that happened almost 30
years ago? It's a longer period, but a more serious offense.

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 5:36 PM, PGage  wrote:
> Here is the LAT story:
> http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-st-bush-trump-today-20161008-snap-story.html?utm_source=feedburner_medium=feed_campaign=Feed%3A+MoneyCompany+(Money+%26+Company)
>
> I never understood the appeal of BB, and would support firing him just for
> being him. I would feel better about disciplining him for this incident if
> they specifically cited his role in facilitating the kiss between Trump and
> the Soap actress, after we heard their disgusting conversation about it.
> That part is not just offensive speech by Bush, but an abuse of his role as
> a host on the show.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Steve Timko  wrote:
>>
>> NBC suspends 'Today' show's Billy Bush for role on Trump tape
>> NEW YORK (AP) - NBC suspends 'Today' show's Billy Bush for role on Trump
>> tape.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Steve Timko  wrote:
>> > NBC mum on how Billy Bush will resurface on the air
>> >
>> > By DAVID BAUDER
>> > AP Television Writer
>> > NEW YORK (AP) - NBC "Today" show personality Billy Bush will likely
>> > have some explaining to do when he resurfaces on the air.
>> > When that will be isn't clear. An NBC News spokesman said Sunday Bush
>> > will not appear Monday as host of the "Today" third hour at 9 a.m., a
>> > job he's held for two months. Further details were not provided.
>> > Bush is the other person on a 2005 tape of Republican presidential
>> > candidate Donald Trump bragging about kissing, groping and trying to
>> > have sex with women who weren't his wife. Bush laughed at some of
>> > Trump's comments, later encouraging an actress to hug Trump.
>> > The 44-year-old Bush has been brutalized on his own Facebook page
>> > since the tape surfaced on Friday. He was working entertainment news
>> > show "Access Hollywood" at the time.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-09 Thread PGage

Here is the LAT story:
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-st-bush-trump-today-20161008-snap-story.html?utm_source=feedburner_medium=feed_campaign=Feed%3A+MoneyCompany+(Money+%26+Company)

I never understood the appeal of BB, and would support firing him just for
being him. I would feel better about disciplining him for this incident if
they specifically cited his role in facilitating the kiss between Trump and
the Soap actress, after we heard their disgusting conversation about it.
That part is not just offensive speech by Bush, but an abuse of his role as
a host on the show.



On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Steve Timko  wrote:

> NBC suspends 'Today' show's Billy Bush for role on Trump tape
> NEW YORK (AP) - NBC suspends 'Today' show's Billy Bush for role on Trump
> tape.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Steve Timko  wrote:
> > NBC mum on how Billy Bush will resurface on the air
> >
> > By DAVID BAUDER
> > AP Television Writer
> > NEW YORK (AP) - NBC "Today" show personality Billy Bush will likely
> > have some explaining to do when he resurfaces on the air.
> > When that will be isn't clear. An NBC News spokesman said Sunday Bush
> > will not appear Monday as host of the "Today" third hour at 9 a.m., a
> > job he's held for two months. Further details were not provided.
> > Bush is the other person on a 2005 tape of Republican presidential
> > candidate Donald Trump bragging about kissing, groping and trying to
> > have sex with women who weren't his wife. Bush laughed at some of
> > Trump's comments, later encouraging an actress to hug Trump.
> > The 44-year-old Bush has been brutalized on his own Facebook page
> > since the tape surfaced on Friday. He was working entertainment news
> > show "Access Hollywood" at the time.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-09 Thread Steve Timko

NBC suspends 'Today' show's Billy Bush for role on Trump tape
NEW YORK (AP) - NBC suspends 'Today' show's Billy Bush for role on Trump tape.



On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Steve Timko  wrote:
> NBC mum on how Billy Bush will resurface on the air
>
> By DAVID BAUDER
> AP Television Writer
> NEW YORK (AP) - NBC "Today" show personality Billy Bush will likely
> have some explaining to do when he resurfaces on the air.
> When that will be isn't clear. An NBC News spokesman said Sunday Bush
> will not appear Monday as host of the "Today" third hour at 9 a.m., a
> job he's held for two months. Further details were not provided.
> Bush is the other person on a 2005 tape of Republican presidential
> candidate Donald Trump bragging about kissing, groping and trying to
> have sex with women who weren't his wife. Bush laughed at some of
> Trump's comments, later encouraging an actress to hug Trump.
> The 44-year-old Bush has been brutalized on his own Facebook page
> since the tape surfaced on Friday. He was working entertainment news
> show "Access Hollywood" at the time.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-09 Thread Steve Timko

NBC mum on how Billy Bush will resurface on the air

By DAVID BAUDER
AP Television Writer
NEW YORK (AP) - NBC "Today" show personality Billy Bush will likely
have some explaining to do when he resurfaces on the air.
When that will be isn't clear. An NBC News spokesman said Sunday Bush
will not appear Monday as host of the "Today" third hour at 9 a.m., a
job he's held for two months. Further details were not provided.
Bush is the other person on a 2005 tape of Republican presidential
candidate Donald Trump bragging about kissing, groping and trying to
have sex with women who weren't his wife. Bush laughed at some of
Trump's comments, later encouraging an actress to hug Trump.
The 44-year-old Bush has been brutalized on his own Facebook page
since the tape surfaced on Friday. He was working entertainment news
show "Access Hollywood" at the time.

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RE: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-09 Thread Brad Beam

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>Politico reports that Billy Bush's voicemail tells callers he's making America 
>great again.
>http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/billy-bushs-voicemail-making-america-great-again-229417

>From The New York Times, "How NBC Finished Second on the Trump Video Story".
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/10/business/media/how-nbc-finished-second-on-the-trump-video-story.html

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-09 Thread Steve Timko

Politico reports that Billy Bush's voicemail tells callers he's making
America great again.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/billy-bushs-voicemail-making-america-great-again-229417

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Steve Timko  wrote:
> As a long-time journalist, I can say that even powerful campaigns
> can't micromanage when leaks bubble to the surface. It can be like it
> is in the movies, but often it's not.
> There's something odd about waiting this long to find the tape. Access
> Hollywood said they were inspired to look after some AP stories about
> crude remarks Trump has made about women. It still doesn't pass the
> smell test.
> This could be great theater tonight. Trump may have worn out his
> appeal to the point that he's politically impotent. And Hillary
> Clinton may have some great zingers.
>
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 8:49 AM, PGage  wrote:
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 6:17 PM, Tom Wolper  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. The campaign that Hillary Clinton is running is amazing. I think it is
>>> better than the campaign Obama ran in 2008 but I would need to see a
>>> post-election wrapup to decide. The campaign was put together in 2015 to run
>>> uphill against the traditional impulse to change parties in the White House
>>> after 8 years. That they got to run against a circus act with a fractured
>>> party behind him was a gift, but they still go full out to win. I have no
>>> idea how long the Clinton campaign has been sitting on this tape but they
>>> waited for the best time to leak it to the Washington Post and it was
>>> yesterday. In my Twitter feed last evening I saw a retweet from an anti-GOP
>>> consultant saying that there is much worse out there. So the Clinton
>>> campaign will release it in dribs and drabs over the coming month. And today
>>> on Twitter I see that we should expect to see ads showing GOP candidates in
>>> 2018 and 2020 announcing their support for Trump along with the worst of
>>> these leaks.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am not sure how literal you are being about your #2 here, but I have to
>> dispute it, in several ways:
>>
>> First, has it really been stablished that this story came from the Clinton
>> campaign in any way? The WaPo itself published a story yesterday that the
>> Access Hollywood people found the clip themselves (apparently everyone was
>> archives of Trump footage is going through it looking for material). NBC,
>> which apparently owns Access Hollywood, made them sit on the story for 4
>> days while their lawyers worried over it (for no obvious reason, except they
>> had already been bullied by threatened Trump lawsuits). Eventually the WaPo
>> reporter got an anonymous tip about the footage, confirmed it, and they ran
>> the story within a day. NBC got wind that the WaPo story was coming, but
>> rather than putting its already produced story out first, let the WaPo break
>> it, then published their story on MSNBC.com immediately after. It is
>> possible the anonymous source that tipped WaPo was from the Clinton campaign
>> I suppose, but NBC seems to be assuming it is someone who works at Access
>> Hollywood. See:
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/nbc-delayed-publication-of-lewd-trump-tape-because-of-lawsuit-fears/2016/10/08/a3c6850e-8db9-11e6-875e-2c1bfe943b66_story.html
>>
>> Second, it is not clear to me that, even if the Clinton campaign did have
>> this story, there would have been any real reason to hold it until last
>> Friday. Their big lead melted away all through August and September; I think
>> it would be almost impossible for any campaign to hold a story like this
>> while in free fall, on the theory that it would be more effective  at the
>> end of the first week of October. If anything you might think they would
>> have released it a few days before Debate #1, which was so very crucial for
>> the Clinton campaign. Indeed, the story (which a friend of mine is calling
>> "BushGate", which I find amusing but perhaps inappropriate) has created a
>> perfect storm in large part because of Hillary raising the Machado issue at
>> Debate 1, and Trump's almost suicidal response to it in the days after the
>> debate, and then Pence's absurd denials during the VP Debate. That is a
>> string of events that would have been pretty much impossible to anticipate
>> in the weeks or months before the first Debate.
>>
>> Third, I have not seen an anti-GOP consultant predict more and worse to
>> come; what I saw was Hugh Hewitt (a very influential and very conservative
>> pro-GOP blogger) tweet: "For the benefit of the country, the party and his
>> family, and for his own good, @realDonaldTrump should withdraw. More and
>> worse oppo coming". "Oppo" here implies "Opposition Research", or dirt dug
>> out and manipulated by political opponents; but again, I have not seen
>> evidence to support that this story came from Trump's opposition, or even
>> any reports implying such.
>>
>> Finally, I

Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-09 Thread Steve Timko

As a long-time journalist, I can say that even powerful campaigns
can't micromanage when leaks bubble to the surface. It can be like it
is in the movies, but often it's not.
There's something odd about waiting this long to find the tape. Access
Hollywood said they were inspired to look after some AP stories about
crude remarks Trump has made about women. It still doesn't pass the
smell test.
This could be great theater tonight. Trump may have worn out his
appeal to the point that he's politically impotent. And Hillary
Clinton may have some great zingers.

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 8:49 AM, PGage  wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 6:17 PM, Tom Wolper  wrote:
>>
>>
>> 2. The campaign that Hillary Clinton is running is amazing. I think it is
>> better than the campaign Obama ran in 2008 but I would need to see a
>> post-election wrapup to decide. The campaign was put together in 2015 to run
>> uphill against the traditional impulse to change parties in the White House
>> after 8 years. That they got to run against a circus act with a fractured
>> party behind him was a gift, but they still go full out to win. I have no
>> idea how long the Clinton campaign has been sitting on this tape but they
>> waited for the best time to leak it to the Washington Post and it was
>> yesterday. In my Twitter feed last evening I saw a retweet from an anti-GOP
>> consultant saying that there is much worse out there. So the Clinton
>> campaign will release it in dribs and drabs over the coming month. And today
>> on Twitter I see that we should expect to see ads showing GOP candidates in
>> 2018 and 2020 announcing their support for Trump along with the worst of
>> these leaks.
>
>
>
> I am not sure how literal you are being about your #2 here, but I have to
> dispute it, in several ways:
>
> First, has it really been stablished that this story came from the Clinton
> campaign in any way? The WaPo itself published a story yesterday that the
> Access Hollywood people found the clip themselves (apparently everyone was
> archives of Trump footage is going through it looking for material). NBC,
> which apparently owns Access Hollywood, made them sit on the story for 4
> days while their lawyers worried over it (for no obvious reason, except they
> had already been bullied by threatened Trump lawsuits). Eventually the WaPo
> reporter got an anonymous tip about the footage, confirmed it, and they ran
> the story within a day. NBC got wind that the WaPo story was coming, but
> rather than putting its already produced story out first, let the WaPo break
> it, then published their story on MSNBC.com immediately after. It is
> possible the anonymous source that tipped WaPo was from the Clinton campaign
> I suppose, but NBC seems to be assuming it is someone who works at Access
> Hollywood. See:
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/nbc-delayed-publication-of-lewd-trump-tape-because-of-lawsuit-fears/2016/10/08/a3c6850e-8db9-11e6-875e-2c1bfe943b66_story.html
>
> Second, it is not clear to me that, even if the Clinton campaign did have
> this story, there would have been any real reason to hold it until last
> Friday. Their big lead melted away all through August and September; I think
> it would be almost impossible for any campaign to hold a story like this
> while in free fall, on the theory that it would be more effective  at the
> end of the first week of October. If anything you might think they would
> have released it a few days before Debate #1, which was so very crucial for
> the Clinton campaign. Indeed, the story (which a friend of mine is calling
> "BushGate", which I find amusing but perhaps inappropriate) has created a
> perfect storm in large part because of Hillary raising the Machado issue at
> Debate 1, and Trump's almost suicidal response to it in the days after the
> debate, and then Pence's absurd denials during the VP Debate. That is a
> string of events that would have been pretty much impossible to anticipate
> in the weeks or months before the first Debate.
>
> Third, I have not seen an anti-GOP consultant predict more and worse to
> come; what I saw was Hugh Hewitt (a very influential and very conservative
> pro-GOP blogger) tweet: "For the benefit of the country, the party and his
> family, and for his own good, @realDonaldTrump should withdraw. More and
> worse oppo coming". "Oppo" here implies "Opposition Research", or dirt dug
> out and manipulated by political opponents; but again, I have not seen
> evidence to support that this story came from Trump's opposition, or even
> any reports implying such.
>
> Finally, I do not share your overwhelmingly positive view of Hillary's
> campaign, and certainly would not put it in the same league as Obama 2008,
> which will go down as one of the most effective campaigns in American
> political history. I agree that all other things being equal the deck is
> stacked against a candidate trying to win a third consecutive term for

Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-09 Thread PGage

On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 6:17 PM, Tom Wolper  wrote:

>
> 2. The campaign that Hillary Clinton is running is amazing. I think it is
> better than the campaign Obama ran in 2008 but I would need to see a
> post-election wrapup to decide. The campaign was put together in 2015 to
> run uphill against the traditional impulse to change parties in the White
> House after 8 years. That they got to run against a circus act with a
> fractured party behind him was a gift, but they still go full out to win. I
> have no idea how long the Clinton campaign has been sitting on this tape
> but they waited for the best time to leak it to the Washington Post and it
> was yesterday. In my Twitter feed last evening I saw a retweet from an
> anti-GOP consultant saying that there is much worse out there. So the
> Clinton campaign will release it in dribs and drabs over the coming month.
> And today on Twitter I see that we should expect to see ads showing GOP
> candidates in 2018 and 2020 announcing their support for Trump along with
> the worst of these leaks.
>

I am not sure how literal you are being about your #2 here, but I have to
dispute it, in several ways:

First, has it really been stablished that this story came from the Clinton
campaign in any way? The WaPo itself published a story yesterday that the
Access Hollywood people found the clip themselves (apparently everyone was
archives of Trump footage is going through it looking for material). NBC,
which apparently owns Access Hollywood, made them sit on the story for 4
days while their lawyers worried over it (for no obvious reason, except
they had already been bullied by threatened Trump lawsuits). Eventually the
WaPo reporter got an anonymous tip about the footage, confirmed it, and
they ran the story within a day. NBC got wind that the WaPo story was
coming, but rather than putting its already produced story out first, let
the WaPo break it, then published their story on MSNBC.com immediately
after. It is possible the anonymous source that tipped WaPo was from the
Clinton campaign I suppose, but NBC seems to be assuming it is someone who
works at Access Hollywood. See:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/nbc-delayed-publication-of-lewd-trump-tape-because-of-lawsuit-fears/2016/10/08/a3c6850e-8db9-11e6-875e-2c1bfe943b66_story.html

Second, it is not clear to me that, even if the Clinton campaign did have
this story, there would have been any real reason to hold it until last
Friday. Their big lead melted away all through August and September; I
think it would be almost impossible for any campaign to hold a story like
this while in free fall, on the theory that it would be more effective  at
the end of the first week of October. If anything you might think they
would have released it a few days before Debate #1, which was so very
crucial for the Clinton campaign. Indeed, the story (which a friend of mine
is calling "BushGate", which I find amusing but perhaps inappropriate) has
created a perfect storm in large part because of Hillary raising the
Machado issue at Debate 1, and Trump's almost suicidal response to it in
the days after the debate, and then Pence's absurd denials during the VP
Debate. That is a string of events that would have been pretty much
impossible to anticipate in the weeks or months before the first Debate.

Third, I have not seen an anti-GOP consultant predict more and worse to
come; what I saw was Hugh Hewitt (a very influential and very conservative
pro-GOP blogger) tweet: "For the benefit of the country, the party and his
family, and for his own good, @realDonaldTrump should withdraw. More and
worse oppo coming". "Oppo" here implies "Opposition Research", or dirt dug
out and manipulated by political opponents; but again, I have not seen
evidence to support that this story came from Trump's opposition, or even
any reports implying such.

Finally, I do not share your overwhelmingly positive view of Hillary's
campaign, and certainly would not put it in the same league as Obama 2008,
which will go down as one of the most effective campaigns in American
political history. I agree that all other things being equal the deck is
stacked against a candidate trying to win a third consecutive term for
their party - but if she was running against almost anyone other than Trump
(the almost is for Cruz), Hillary would very likely be behind right now.
Her campaign was slow and clumsy in dealing with Sanders during the
primaries, and even though they have known about her main liabilities
(email, Wall Street ties) for a long time, they were almost Jeb-Bushian in
their stunning inability to have a competent response to an overwhelmingly
predictable question. They did put on an amazing convention, which will go
down as having been a very important part of this campaign, and they
prepared her very well for the first Debate. But their ground game lags
behind Obama 2012 and 2008, and they are not terribly nimble or strategic
in dealing

Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-09 Thread Adam Bowie

I just hope that the obnoxious comments on this tape, along with the
previous sexism, racism and all around bullying see Trump achieve what is
clearly his worst nightmare - to become one of the biggest Presidential
losers ever.

The Apprentice footage belongs to Mark Burnett right? Shouldn't he right
now be shopping NBC an Apprentice Outtakes special? And yes, I realise that
must mean some acknowledgement of how Trump behaved at the time.

I'm reminded of a scandal in UK TV in 2011 when the two main presenters of
Sky Sports were fired for making off-air remarks about a female referee. At
first suspended, an anonymous Sky employee then leaked other off-air tapes
of the pair, at which point they were fired. Their comments weren't
anywhere near as offensive as Trump's. The pair now work for a Qatari TV
station.

It may be airing at 2am UK time tonight, but if it wasn't already, the
upcoming debate is now unmissable.



On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 2:22 AM, Kevin M.  wrote:

> A producer for The Apprentice has openly stated on Twitter that footage
> exists of Trump saying much worse
>
>  https://twitter.com/billpruitt/status/784872190587998209
>
>
> On Saturday, October 8, 2016, Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Kevin M. 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Tic Tac weighs in. Apparently they are NOT the official breath mint of
>>> sexual assault by rich white guys:
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/tictacusa/status/784831611531436032
>>>
>>
>> Two comments on the situation:
>>
>> 1. My first reaction on seeing the content of the tape of Trump's remarks
>> was that this is no big deal. There might be some issue of a middle aged
>> adult talking like an adolescent but we (men) have heard worse. But then I
>> try to step outside of my perceptions as a straight white male and I accept
>> that suburban white women find this exceptionally offensive. And they are
>> the demographic targeted by this leaked tape. The fact that we commenters
>> on this list are male and are not offended should not lead us to conclude
>> that it is wrong or a sign of weakness to be offended.
>>
>> 2. The campaign that Hillary Clinton is running is amazing. I think it is
>> better than the campaign Obama ran in 2008 but I would need to see a
>> post-election wrapup to decide. The campaign was put together in 2015 to
>> run uphill against the traditional impulse to change parties in the White
>> House after 8 years. That they got to run against a circus act with a
>> fractured party behind him was a gift, but they still go full out to win. I
>> have no idea how long the Clinton campaign has been sitting on this tape
>> but they waited for the best time to leak it to the Washington Post and it
>> was yesterday. In my Twitter feed last evening I saw a retweet from an
>> anti-GOP consultant saying that there is much worse out there. So the
>> Clinton campaign will release it in dribs and drabs over the coming month.
>> And today on Twitter I see that we should expect to see ads showing GOP
>> candidates in 2018 and 2020 announcing their support for Trump along with
>> the worst of these leaks.
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-08 Thread Kevin M.

A producer for The Apprentice has openly stated on Twitter that footage
exists of Trump saying much worse

 https://twitter.com/billpruitt/status/784872190587998209

On Saturday, October 8, 2016, Tom Wolper  wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Kevin M.  > wrote:
>
>> Tic Tac weighs in. Apparently they are NOT the official breath mint of
>> sexual assault by rich white guys:
>>
>> https://twitter.com/tictacusa/status/784831611531436032
>>
>
> Two comments on the situation:
>
> 1. My first reaction on seeing the content of the tape of Trump's remarks
> was that this is no big deal. There might be some issue of a middle aged
> adult talking like an adolescent but we (men) have heard worse. But then I
> try to step outside of my perceptions as a straight white male and I accept
> that suburban white women find this exceptionally offensive. And they are
> the demographic targeted by this leaked tape. The fact that we commenters
> on this list are male and are not offended should not lead us to conclude
> that it is wrong or a sign of weakness to be offended.
>
> 2. The campaign that Hillary Clinton is running is amazing. I think it is
> better than the campaign Obama ran in 2008 but I would need to see a
> post-election wrapup to decide. The campaign was put together in 2015 to
> run uphill against the traditional impulse to change parties in the White
> House after 8 years. That they got to run against a circus act with a
> fractured party behind him was a gift, but they still go full out to win. I
> have no idea how long the Clinton campaign has been sitting on this tape
> but they waited for the best time to leak it to the Washington Post and it
> was yesterday. In my Twitter feed last evening I saw a retweet from an
> anti-GOP consultant saying that there is much worse out there. So the
> Clinton campaign will release it in dribs and drabs over the coming month.
> And today on Twitter I see that we should expect to see ads showing GOP
> candidates in 2018 and 2020 announcing their support for Trump along with
> the worst of these leaks.
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-08 Thread Tom Wolper

On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:

> Tic Tac weighs in. Apparently they are NOT the official breath mint of
> sexual assault by rich white guys:
>
> https://twitter.com/tictacusa/status/784831611531436032
>

Two comments on the situation:

1. My first reaction on seeing the content of the tape of Trump's remarks
was that this is no big deal. There might be some issue of a middle aged
adult talking like an adolescent but we (men) have heard worse. But then I
try to step outside of my perceptions as a straight white male and I accept
that suburban white women find this exceptionally offensive. And they are
the demographic targeted by this leaked tape. The fact that we commenters
on this list are male and are not offended should not lead us to conclude
that it is wrong or a sign of weakness to be offended.

2. The campaign that Hillary Clinton is running is amazing. I think it is
better than the campaign Obama ran in 2008 but I would need to see a
post-election wrapup to decide. The campaign was put together in 2015 to
run uphill against the traditional impulse to change parties in the White
House after 8 years. That they got to run against a circus act with a
fractured party behind him was a gift, but they still go full out to win. I
have no idea how long the Clinton campaign has been sitting on this tape
but they waited for the best time to leak it to the Washington Post and it
was yesterday. In my Twitter feed last evening I saw a retweet from an
anti-GOP consultant saying that there is much worse out there. So the
Clinton campaign will release it in dribs and drabs over the coming month.
And today on Twitter I see that we should expect to see ads showing GOP
candidates in 2018 and 2020 announcing their support for Trump along with
the worst of these leaks.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-08 Thread Kevin M.

Tic Tac weighs in. Apparently they are NOT the official breath mint of
sexual assault by rich white guys:

https://twitter.com/tictacusa/status/784831611531436032

On Saturday, October 8, 2016, Steve Timko  wrote:

> NBC will not reprimand Billy bush.
> http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/report-billy-
> bush-in-the-clear-at-nbc-after-trump-tape-leak-229368
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 2:46 AM, Kevin M.  > wrote:
> > If there is existing backstage audio of every man's reaction to Nancy
> O'Dell
> > in the sky blue dress at the 1998 Golden Globe Awards, Billy Bush won't
> be
> > the only guy fired at NBC.
> >
> > Too soon?
> >
> >
> > On Friday, October 7, 2016, PGage >
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have been trying to imagine someone who was pro-Trump before this, and
> >> now anti. I suppose they are religious fundamentalists who rationalized
> his
> >> misogyny as feminist propaganda but are now offended by the crude
> language.
> >>
> >> Like Tump Bush was so horrible before that this just seems like more if
> >> the same. Still, if it makes NBÇ news decide not to employ him anymore
> it
> >> will be worth it
> >>
> >> On Friday, October 7, 2016, Steve Timko  > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There’s tremendous fallout from a hot mic the captured Donald Trump’s
> >>> comment about trying to sleep with a married woman and being able to
> >>> grab a woman’s vagina if she finds you attractive.
> >>>
> >>> His co-conspirator in all of this is Billy Bush. What kind of fallout
> >>> does this mean for Bush? He’s basically as guilty as Trump.
> >>>
> >>> I hate to say this, but I largely agree with Trump. This is locker
> >>> room talk and lots of men speak like this.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/the-
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-08 Thread Steve Timko

NBC will not reprimand Billy bush.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/report-billy-bush-in-the-clear-at-nbc-after-trump-tape-leak-229368

On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 2:46 AM, Kevin M.  wrote:
> If there is existing backstage audio of every man's reaction to Nancy O'Dell
> in the sky blue dress at the 1998 Golden Globe Awards, Billy Bush won't be
> the only guy fired at NBC.
>
> Too soon?
>
>
> On Friday, October 7, 2016, PGage  wrote:
>>
>> I have been trying to imagine someone who was pro-Trump before this, and
>> now anti. I suppose they are religious fundamentalists who rationalized his
>> misogyny as feminist propaganda but are now offended by the crude language.
>>
>> Like Tump Bush was so horrible before that this just seems like more if
>> the same. Still, if it makes NBÇ news decide not to employ him anymore it
>> will be worth it
>>
>> On Friday, October 7, 2016, Steve Timko  wrote:
>>>
>>> There’s tremendous fallout from a hot mic the captured Donald Trump’s
>>> comment about trying to sleep with a married woman and being able to
>>> grab a woman’s vagina if she finds you attractive.
>>>
>>> His co-conspirator in all of this is Billy Bush. What kind of fallout
>>> does this mean for Bush? He’s basically as guilty as Trump.
>>>
>>> I hate to say this, but I largely agree with Trump. This is locker
>>> room talk and lots of men speak like this.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/the-trump-tapes/503417/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-08 Thread Kevin M.

If there is existing backstage audio of every man's reaction to Nancy
O'Dell in the sky blue dress at the 1998 Golden Globe Awards, Billy Bush
won't be the only guy fired at NBC.

Too soon?

On Friday, October 7, 2016, PGage  wrote:

> I have been trying to imagine someone who was pro-Trump before this, and
> now anti. I suppose they are religious fundamentalists who rationalized his
> misogyny as feminist propaganda but are now offended by the crude language.
>
> Like Tump Bush was so horrible before that this just seems like more if
> the same. Still, if it makes NBÇ news decide not to employ him anymore it
> will be worth it
>
> On Friday, October 7, 2016, Steve Timko  > wrote:
>
>> There’s tremendous fallout from a hot mic the captured Donald Trump’s
>> comment about trying to sleep with a married woman and being able to
>> grab a woman’s vagina if she finds you attractive.
>>
>> His co-conspirator in all of this is Billy Bush. What kind of fallout
>> does this mean for Bush? He’s basically as guilty as Trump.
>>
>> I hate to say this, but I largely agree with Trump. This is locker
>> room talk and lots of men speak like this.
>>
>> http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/the-trum
>> p-tapes/503417/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-07 Thread PGage

I have been trying to imagine someone who was pro-Trump before this, and
now anti. I suppose they are religious fundamentalists who rationalized his
misogyny as feminist propaganda but are now offended by the crude language.

Like Tump Bush was so horrible before that this just seems like more if the
same. Still, if it makes NBÇ news decide not to employ him anymore it will
be worth it

On Friday, October 7, 2016, Steve Timko  wrote:

> There’s tremendous fallout from a hot mic the captured Donald Trump’s
> comment about trying to sleep with a married woman and being able to
> grab a woman’s vagina if she finds you attractive.
>
> His co-conspirator in all of this is Billy Bush. What kind of fallout
> does this mean for Bush? He’s basically as guilty as Trump.
>
> I hate to say this, but I largely agree with Trump. This is locker
> room talk and lots of men speak like this.
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/the-
> trump-tapes/503417/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-07 Thread Doug Eastick

Access Hollywood found the tape this week.  They were going to do a story
on it when WaPo got a leaked copy this afternoon.

My only slightly humour comment about this tragedy of presidential politics
is that Rob Ford spoke of "getting plenty of that at home" while Trump
prefers to steal.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/trump-tape-nancy-odell-access-hollywood-identifies-woman-936493

http://www.thewrap.com/access-hollywood-says-nancy-odell-is-target-of-donald-trumps-lewd-comments/

On Fri, Oct 7, 2016, 7:38 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

> Billy Bush apologized. Is it enough?
> https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/784533479736442880
>
> On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:
> > I don't care what he says in private, though if he's stupid enough to be
> > that big of a horse's ass surrounded by mics and cameras, I suppose it
> > matters. But considering the offensive stuff he says publicly, the
> private
> > content doesn't matter to me.
> >
> >
> > On Friday, October 7, 2016, Steve Timko  wrote:
> >>
> >> There’s tremendous fallout from a hot mic the captured Donald Trump’s
> >> comment about trying to sleep with a married woman and being able to
> >> grab a woman’s vagina if she finds you attractive.
> >>
> >> His co-conspirator in all of this is Billy Bush. What kind of fallout
> >> does this mean for Bush? He’s basically as guilty as Trump.
> >>
> >> I hate to say this, but I largely agree with Trump. This is locker
> >> room talk and lots of men speak like this.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/the-trump-tapes/503417/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-07 Thread John Edwards

I imagine he'll be "on assignment" for a while
On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 7:37 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

> Billy Bush apologized. Is it enough?
> https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/784533479736442880
>
> On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:
> > I don't care what he says in private, though if he's stupid enough to be
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> > matters. But considering the offensive stuff he says publicly, the
> private
> > content doesn't matter to me.
> >
> >
> > On Friday, October 7, 2016, Steve Timko  wrote:
> >>
> >> There’s tremendous fallout from a hot mic the captured Donald Trump’s
> >> comment about trying to sleep with a married woman and being able to
> >> grab a woman’s vagina if she finds you attractive.
> >>
> >> His co-conspirator in all of this is Billy Bush. What kind of fallout
> >> does this mean for Bush? He’s basically as guilty as Trump.
> >>
> >> I hate to say this, but I largely agree with Trump. This is locker
> >> room talk and lots of men speak like this.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/the-trump-tapes/503417/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-07 Thread Steve Timko

Billy Bush apologized. Is it enough?
https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/784533479736442880

On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:
> I don't care what he says in private, though if he's stupid enough to be
> that big of a horse's ass surrounded by mics and cameras, I suppose it
> matters. But considering the offensive stuff he says publicly, the private
> content doesn't matter to me.
>
>
> On Friday, October 7, 2016, Steve Timko  wrote:
>>
>> There’s tremendous fallout from a hot mic the captured Donald Trump’s
>> comment about trying to sleep with a married woman and being able to
>> grab a woman’s vagina if she finds you attractive.
>>
>> His co-conspirator in all of this is Billy Bush. What kind of fallout
>> does this mean for Bush? He’s basically as guilty as Trump.
>>
>> I hate to say this, but I largely agree with Trump. This is locker
>> room talk and lots of men speak like this.
>>
>>
>> http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/the-trump-tapes/503417/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Will Billy Bush be hurt by Trump's vulgar comments about women?

2016-10-07 Thread Kevin M.

I don't care what he says in private, though if he's stupid enough to be
that big of a horse's ass surrounded by mics and cameras, I suppose it
matters. But considering the offensive stuff he says publicly, the private
content doesn't matter to me.

On Friday, October 7, 2016, Steve Timko  wrote:

> There’s tremendous fallout from a hot mic the captured Donald Trump’s
> comment about trying to sleep with a married woman and being able to
> grab a woman’s vagina if she finds you attractive.
>
> His co-conspirator in all of this is Billy Bush. What kind of fallout
> does this mean for Bush? He’s basically as guilty as Trump.
>
> I hate to say this, but I largely agree with Trump. This is locker
> room talk and lots of men speak like this.
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/the-
> trump-tapes/503417/
>
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