Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Fred Wilson article on Twitter API

2010-04-12 Thread Jeffrey Greenberg
*I'm extremely unsettled. *I'm agreeing with Dewald Pretorius's comments above... Here's an earlier related story: I was the first to market with a drag & drop interface for Windows...Yes: back in the stone ages of windows 2.x and windows 3.0 there was no such thing. And soon after HP, Xerox, and

[twitter-dev] Re: Fred Wilson article on Twitter API

2010-04-11 Thread Dewald Pretorius
You are also free and welcome to express your opinions, even when hiding behind a veil of anonymity. On Apr 11, 9:03 am, notinfluential wrote: > Totally over-dramatic.  And way beyond annoying at this point. > > Dewald, quit your whining and either get back to coding and doing > something product

[twitter-dev] Re: Fred Wilson article on Twitter API

2010-04-11 Thread notinfluential
Totally over-dramatic. And way beyond annoying at this point. Dewald, quit your whining and either get back to coding and doing something productive, or maybe you should aim your posts at this group instead: http://groups.google.com/group/delusional-socialist-development-talk @notinfluential O

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Fred Wilson article on Twitter API

2010-04-10 Thread Raffi Krikorian
Twitter has now displayed a distinctive predatorial stance towards the developer ecosystem. That's incredibly over dramatic, I think. We have, and continue to maintain a platform that will allow for a vibrant ecosystem. We want everybody to succeed.

[twitter-dev] Re: Fred Wilson article on Twitter API

2010-04-10 Thread Dewald Pretorius
Twitter has now displayed a distinctive predatorial stance towards the developer ecosystem. The ecosystem is encouraged to innovate, to expend time, effort, and money to come up with new ideas and build services. When that particular space proves to be successful and potentially rewarding, the pre

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Fred Wilson article on Twitter API

2010-04-09 Thread Raffi Krikorian
> > Libraries and examples. Understanding authentication isn't a > prerequisite for building valuable apps. If a developer wants to > understand OAuth then there is plenty of documentation out there for > that. I think the biggest barrier is the complexity of beginning to > understand the OAuth d

[twitter-dev] Re: Fred Wilson article on Twitter API

2010-04-09 Thread funkatron
"And so it's time for Twitter and its developer ecosystem to work together to create entirely new things that will shape the Internet in the coming years. I'm excited to see it happen." Because Twitter's gonna be taking over all the shit you've been doing so far! Welp, like used to say 3 years ag

[twitter-dev] Re: Fred Wilson article on Twitter API

2010-04-09 Thread jmathai
Libraries and examples. Understanding authentication isn't a prerequisite for building valuable apps. If a developer wants to understand OAuth then there is plenty of documentation out there for that. I think the biggest barrier is the complexity of beginning to understand the OAuth dance. If th

[twitter-dev] Re: Fred Wilson article on Twitter API

2010-04-09 Thread Dewald Pretorius
Raffi, It will be wise of Twitter to release an official statement regarding continued developer support. Perhaps in the form of an Evan blog post. When you read the commentary on tech blogs following Fred's post, it should be clear that it is not only developers who see the threat of Twitter now

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Fred Wilson article on Twitter API

2010-04-09 Thread Raffi Krikorian
story of my life. On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 10:29 AM, mikawhite wrote: > Thanks Raffi, though I doubt your comment will make headlines :) > > > -- > To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject. > -- Raffi Krikorian Twitter Platform Team http://twitter.com/raffi

[twitter-dev] Re: Fred Wilson article on Twitter API

2010-04-09 Thread mikawhite
Thanks Raffi, though I doubt your comment will make headlines :) -- To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Fred Wilson article on Twitter API

2010-04-09 Thread Raffi Krikorian
100% On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Nigel Legg wrote: > There will always be room for developers on the fringes, and novel ways of > using twitter. I would hope that twitter will concentrate on the maintenance > and development of the core system, and allow us to add the bells and > whistles as

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Fred Wilson article on Twitter API

2010-04-09 Thread Nigel Legg
There will always be room for developers on the fringes, and novel ways of using twitter. I would hope that twitter will concentrate on the maintenance and development of the core system, and allow us to add the bells and whistles as required by our own set of users. On 9 April 2010 13:56, Dewald

[twitter-dev] Re: Fred Wilson article on Twitter API

2010-04-09 Thread Dewald Pretorius
With Fred being a Twitter board member, and with the enthusiasm for the article that was displayed by Twitter employees: 1) Do we all need to stop right now with developing any further "gap filler" type of functionality or apps? 2) Is there only a future in the ecosystem for the very minute handf

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Fred Wilson article on Twitter API

2010-04-07 Thread Lil Peck
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Raffi Krikorian wrote: > i would love to know how we can make oauth simpler for people.  should we > provide better documentation?  examples?  libraries? > > Here is the Classic ASP code (by Ariel Saputra) that my site uses: function asp_twitter_update(strMsg,

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Fred Wilson article on Twitter API

2010-04-07 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
On 04/07/2010 03:30 PM, Raffi Krikorian wrote: > i would love to know how we can make oauth simpler for people. should we > provide better documentation? examples? libraries? I can't speak for all of the libraries, but certainly Marc Mims' Net::Twitter makes it totally easy - plug-and-play if y

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Fred Wilson article on Twitter API

2010-04-07 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
On 04/07/2010 03:07 PM, Lil Peck wrote: [snip] > I worry that once basic authentication is discontinued, that I will > have to stop using Twitter in my web based apps. Seems to me that > oauth is needlessly too complicated and bloated for many Twitter uses. oAuth is easy if you're using one of t

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Fred Wilson article on Twitter API

2010-04-07 Thread Abraham Williams
I think an site explaining OAuth similar to http://business.twitter.com/twitter101/ would go a long way. Abraham On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 15:30, Raffi Krikorian wrote: > i would love to know how we can make oauth simpler for people. should we > provide better documentation? examples? libraries

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Fred Wilson article on Twitter API

2010-04-07 Thread Raffi Krikorian
i would love to know how we can make oauth simpler for people. should we provide better documentation? examples? libraries? On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Lil Peck wrote: > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Mike Champion > wrote: > > > > I'd be curious to hear what folks think. > > > > > > Fo

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Fred Wilson article on Twitter API

2010-04-07 Thread Lil Peck
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Mike Champion wrote: > > I'd be curious to hear what folks think. > > For me, the appeal of Twitter is its brevity and its simplicity for integration with one's website. I worry that once basic authentication is discontinued, that I will have to stop using Twitter

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Fred Wilson article on Twitter API

2010-04-07 Thread znmeb
- "Mike Champion" wrote: > Yeah, interesting post form Fred, especially coming a week before > Chirp. > > Are there classes of "killer apps" that should be built but haven't > been? I left a comment on his blog that I would love an app that > somehow aggregated the recommendations from my tw

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Fred Wilson article on Twitter API

2010-04-07 Thread Peter Denton
I think once the ad sharing platform is in place, you'll see more clever/recommendation apps around products and services. Being able to create/project a revenue stream, with low barrier to entry (simply tying into the ad platform like AdSense), seems like it would create a business-as-usual enviro

[twitter-dev] Re: Fred Wilson article on Twitter API

2010-04-07 Thread Mike Champion
Yeah, interesting post form Fred, especially coming a week before Chirp. Are there classes of "killer apps" that should be built but haven't been? I left a comment on his blog that I would love an app that somehow aggregated the recommendations from my twitter stream for things like books, music,