jpb-u2ug wrote:
Oh and one of these days you are going to be sitting in the same seat
talking about the good old days too, and someone is going to be telling you
that you're a dinosaur. It's not easy trying to keep up with the technology
and if your company isn't using it you tend to gravitate t
what they do
use.
Jerry Banker
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[mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:23 PM
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I secon
locking Your Potential"
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> [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Schasny
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:51 AM
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Don't forget Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the U.S. Congress, local school
boards, and the list is endless, isn't it. Monkeys aren't limited in
location or job (I've been found to act like one on more occasions than I
care to remember). :-)
Bill
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But it's always about the money. If the current UV system is perceived
to be incomplete, management is FORCED to decide between buy or build --
both take money. And they will automatically lean towards the solution
they are familiar with (just like we do.)
As UV professionals, we need to add
Laurie Blain wrote:
> It was buzz at an Ardent Conference back in the 1999?
> I think some of that attitude is why many think they need to move
> off Unidata. But really in college back in 95 I heard that Cobol was a dead
> language
> you can still find jobs with Cobol.
In 1981 I took a college c
"I think it would be to our advantage if only businesses were in fact led
by rational intelligent people all the time but Enron, Global Crossings,
Bear Stearns, etc, etc, etc should be sufficient warning that they are not."
The best line I have seen on this thread thus far.
Really we are all huma
hasny
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:51 AM
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Unfortunately, its not always about the money. In many cases its about a
change of leadership where the new guy on top wants his own personal
favorite software. I have been pe
Unfortunately, its not always about the money. In many cases its about a
change of leadership where the new guy on top wants his own personal
favorite software. I have been personally involved with at least 2
instances where a new CFO has insisted that the ERP solution with which
he/she/it is
:
From: Henry Unger
Subject: RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 12:48 AM
Really. From whom did you hear that?
Henry
Henry P. Unger
Hitech Systems, Inc.
http://www.hitech.com
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I think it is quite simply, management do not understand technology. They are
risk averse and if everyone else uses a product, then it must be good. It is a
bit of the old days, you cannot get fired for buying IBM.
I don't think it is cost, or technical advantages that are winning the day, it
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Speak of the devil. Here's an example from today.
"The Joint Strike Fighter project in the US, in which Britain's BAE
Systems is a major partner has been infiltr
Speak of the devil. Here's an example from today.
"The Joint Strike Fighter project in the US, in which Britain's BAE
Systems is a major partner has been infiltrated by hackers. The Wall
Street journal reported that the hackers thought to be from China siphoned
off several terabytes of data
2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Rex Gozar
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:18 AM
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It's fun to think of UV as the underdog and how the cards are stacked
against us. It's fun to be in the "I told you
It's fun to think of UV as the underdog and how the cards are stacked
against us. It's fun to be in the "I told you so" crowd when the
competitor fails.
But it doesn't matter if the competitor wins or loses; the reality is
that another UV site has bit the dust. WE LOST -- that's my real concern
ROTFL.
U2 is like a virus. hehehehe
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[mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Anthony W.
Youngman
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:59 AM
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: RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster
I heard that IBM bought Unidata and Universe to kill them off.
To their surprise many of us are refusing to let the U2 die.
Laurie
--- On Mon, 4/20/09, Colin Alfke wrote:
From: Colin Alfke
Subject: RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster
To: u2-users
>> I'm seeing these anti-Microsoft arguments and it seems to me some
>> of you folks are missing the point.
I think you are skipping over my point. If the control systems for the
power grid are connected to the Internet through Windows based systems,
then there is a serious security issue that
All
I think we all neeed to recognize that IBM *could* have just sat on the
products milking the revenue without adding any enhancements, trusting that
sufficient users would never move off to keep a meaningful revenue stream alive.
To their credit, they have not.
We have seen new features, im
In message <461165.65382...@web58106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>, Laurie Blain
writes
I heard that IBM bought Unidata and Universe to kill them off.
To their surprise many of us are refusing to let the U2 die.
I think the problem WAS (apparently the people involved have moved on)
that the top people
In message <214234.57230...@web51710.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, Don Robinson
writes
Perhaps a bigger push into the open source space would help. I recently
read that MySQL has a long history of bugs, like losing all your data,
and some of them will not be fixed. Yet it remains the most popular
free
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I heard that IBM bought Unidata and Universe to kill them off.
To their surprise many of us are refusing to let the U2 die.
Laurie
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I heard that IBM bought Unidata and Universe to kill them off.
To their surprise many of us are refusing to let the U2 die.
Laurie
--- On Mon, 4/20/09, Colin Alfke wrote:
From: Colin Alfke
Subject: RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Date: Monday, April 20
er mouse trap, why doesn't the world know it?
Just, my 2 cents worth.
BTW, I'm looking for programming work!
Universe, Unidata, jBASE, etc.
Linux, Aix, Windows, Mac.
Don Robinson
donr_w...@yahoo.com
From: John Hester
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.or
We have a Thomson Reuters logo on Mike Weir's cap - does that count??
Of course, I remember a story my old boss told me about a CEO he met at a golf
tournament. Apparently he was crowing about the new $25 million SAP system he
had just purchased. He had no idea what it would do for them, but it c
I wrote:
> > Anyone who insists on doing everything with Microsoft
> > tools is just as bad as someone who continually
> > insists on getting their MV DBMS to do things that a
> > DBMS was never meant to do
Glen responded:
> Whoah there.. Aren't you mixing up the fruit basket a
> bit? MV is n
OMG. That is hilarious. Thanks for sharing.
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[mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jacques G.
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An IBM vendor went to a company I used to work for to try to get them to dump
their current Unidata database and switch to DB2, how much new and better it
was. One of the advantages he listed was "IBM support".
So one guy in our IT department told him: "You really don't know anything
about Un
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> us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony G
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[chop]
&
t 'em - we love 'em.
Regards
JayJay
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[mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Utech
Sent: 20 April 2009 18:12
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Subject: RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster
Rex
> From: Charles_Shaffer
> Hear hear. And now that this Microsoft-centric
> mentality has spread to management, I am concerned
> that there will be serious consequences down the road. ...
> 2. It was Windows-based. (Bad idea #2)...
> Charles Shaffer
> Senior Analyst
> NTN-Bower Corporation
I'
I worked for a company that bought another company to replace an
existing product strictly because it has a "pretty interface" by
management. The amazing thing was that they got several developers and
support personall together to go over the system and see how it compares
to ours (which was
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[mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Sallis
Sent: 20 April 2009 14:48
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Subject: RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster
It's yet another story that makes people who know and understand the
multivalue database model crin
Subject: Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster
I guess the basic premise of your argument is that the PHB's are
listening to 90-day-wonder windows programmers, and they encouraged said
PHB's that they needed to replace the UV database.
I don't buy it.
Even PHB's don'
>> Even PHB's don't go spending millions of dollars on SAP just because
>> their 25 year old windows programmers don't think UV is productive.
Rex,
Based on the results, I have to wonder if the PHB selected SAP before any
kind of analysis was done and without the knowledge of how difficult
imp
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[mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Rex Gozar
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In message
<367f3b3911959c4da9991c00166f620c01b90...@euducex2.europe.ad.flextronics.
com>, Glenn Sallis writes
It's yet another story that makes people who know and understand the
multivalue database model cringe. Often one of the reasons for migrating
seems to be due to decisions being made up
Dude, giyf.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointy-Haired_Boss
/Scott Ballinger
Pareto Corporation
Edmonds WA USA
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"Pointy Haired Boss" from Dilbert.
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To:
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 12:04 PM
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> What does the acronym "PHB" stand for?
>
> --B
> ---
> u2-user
> What does the acronym "PHB" stand for?
Ask any Dilbert fan! PHB is pointy-haired boss.
Norman Morgan <> nmor...@brake.com <> http://www.brake.com
Lottery: a tax on people w
Maybe a "U2 from IBM" logo on Tiger Woods' golf cap would be helpful. :-)
Bill
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From: Glenn Sallis
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What does the acronym "PHB" stand for?
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Hear hear. And now that this Microsoft-centric mentality has spread to
management, I am concerned that there will be serious consequences down
the road. I just heard that the US power
rogrammer
Rapid Response Team
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> us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Rex Gozar
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From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Sallis
Sent: 20 April 2009 14:48
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
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It's yet another story that makes people who know and understand the
wner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Sallis
Sent: 20 April 2009 14:48
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster
It's yet another story that makes people who know and understand the
multivalue database model cringe. Often one of the reasons for migrating
I guess the basic premise of your argument is that the PHB's are
listening to 90-day-wonder windows programmers, and they encouraged said
PHB's that they needed to replace the UV database.
I don't buy it.
Even PHB's don't go spending millions of dollars on SAP just because
their 25 year old w
affer
Senior Analyst
NTN-Bower Corporation
"JPB-U2UG"
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I can't speak for everyone but if it
I think there are two other factors that come into play: technology and
marketing.
I know of at least one site here in the UK who are committed to moving to SAP
because they believed for a long time that UV was a dead platform. Why? Because
for years they heard nothing to the contrary. They now
e at fault
for not giving the youngsters all of the information they needed.
--
From: "Rex Gozar"
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 4:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster
I've been wo
me to light the company is on the brink of bankruptcy. Where
does the blame go, the people that left were at fault for not giving the
youngsters all of the information they needed.
--
From: "Rex Gozar"
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 4:38
I've been wondering why the Shane Co. felt the need to migrate away from UV.
* Was their IT staff unable to meet business requirements due to the
limitations of UV?
* Was their IT staff to blame, rather than the UV database environment?
(i.e. understaffed, lack of skills, etc.)
At any rate,
There were a few posts back in January about Denver jewelry retailer
Shane Co. and their disastrous migration from UV to SAP. Today they're
starring in an eWeek slideshow about I.T. disasters:
http://www.baselinemag.com/c/a/IT-Management/Dirty-Dozen-Inside-12-IT-Di
sasters-874085/?kc=EWKNLEDP0417
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