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[mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:23 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster
I second that.
And don't forget
jpb-u2ug wrote:
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Oh and one of these days you are going to be sitting in the same seat
talking about the good old days too, and someone is going to be telling you
that you're a dinosaur. It's not easy trying to keep up with the technology
and if your company isn't using it you tend to
In message 214234.57230...@web51710.mail.re2.yahoo.com, Don Robinson
donr_w...@yahoo.com writes
Perhaps a bigger push into the open source space would help. I recently
read that MySQL has a long history of bugs, like losing all your data,
and some of them will not be fixed. Yet it remains the
In message 461165.65382...@web58106.mail.re3.yahoo.com, Laurie Blain
laurie_bl...@yahoo.com writes
I heard that IBM bought Unidata and Universe to kill them off.
To their surprise many of us are refusing to let the U2 die.
I think the problem WAS (apparently the people involved have moved on)
All
I think we all neeed to recognize that IBM *could* have just sat on the
products milking the revenue without adding any enhancements, trusting that
sufficient users would never move off to keep a meaningful revenue stream alive.
To their credit, they have not.
We have seen new features,
It's fun to think of UV as the underdog and how the cards are stacked
against us. It's fun to be in the I told you so crowd when the
competitor fails.
But it doesn't matter if the competitor wins or loses; the reality is
that another UV site has bit the dust. WE LOST -- that's my real concern.
...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Rex Gozar
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:18 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster
It's fun to think of UV as the underdog and how the cards are stacked
against us. It's fun to be in the I told you so crowd when
Speak of the devil. Here's an example from today.
The Joint Strike Fighter project in the US, in which Britain's BAE
Systems is a major partner has been infiltrated by hackers. The Wall
Street journal reported that the hackers thought to be from China siphoned
off several terabytes of data
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Subject: Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster
Unfortunately, its not always about the money. In many cases its about a
change of leadership where the new guy on top wants his own personal
favorite software. I have been personally involved with at least 2
instances where
I think it would be to our advantage if only businesses were in fact led
by rational intelligent people all the time but Enron, Global Crossings,
Bear Stearns, etc, etc, etc should be sufficient warning that they are not.
The best line I have seen on this thread thus far.
Really we are all human
Laurie Blain wrote:
It was buzz at an Ardent Conference back in the 1999?
I think some of that attitude is why many think they need to move
off Unidata. But really in college back in 95 I heard that Cobol was a dead
language
you can still find jobs with Cobol.
In 1981 I took a college
But it's always about the money. If the current UV system is perceived
to be incomplete, management is FORCED to decide between buy or build --
both take money. And they will automatically lean towards the solution
they are familiar with (just like we do.)
As UV professionals, we need to
Don't forget Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the U.S. Congress, local school
boards, and the list is endless, isn't it. Monkeys aren't limited in
location or job (I've been found to act like one on more occasions than I
care to remember). :-)
Bill
?
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[mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Carter
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:29 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster
Amen
Senior Analyst
NTN-Bower Corporation
JPB-U2UG jpb-u...@hotmail.com
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04/18/2009 05:53 PM
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I can't speak
I guess the basic premise of your argument is that the PHB's are
listening to 90-day-wonder windows programmers, and they encouraged said
PHB's that they needed to replace the UV database.
I don't buy it.
Even PHB's don't go spending millions of dollars on SAP just because
their 25 year old
...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Sallis
Sent: 20 April 2009 14:48
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Subject: RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster
It's yet another story that makes people who know and understand the
multivalue database model cringe. Often one of the reasons for migrating
seems to be due
...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Sallis
Sent: 20 April 2009 14:48
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster
It's yet another story that makes people who know and understand the
multivalue database model cringe. Often one of the reasons for migrating
seems
Response Team
Market America, Inc.
Greensboro, NC
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From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-
us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Rex Gozar
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 10:21 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
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To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster
Hear hear. And now that this Microsoft-centric mentality has spread to
management, I am concerned that there will be serious consequences down
the road. I just heard that the US power grid control systems have been
What does the acronym PHB stand for?
--B
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...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of
charles_shaf...@ntn-bower.com
Sent: Montag, 20. April 2009 14:44
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Subject: Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster
Hear hear. And now that this Microsoft-centric mentality has
spread to management, ... Can an easy to access system
What does the acronym PHB stand for?
Ask any Dilbert fan! PHB is pointy-haired boss.
Norman Morgan nmor...@brake.com http://www.brake.com
Lottery: a tax on people who are
Pointy Haired Boss from Dilbert.
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What does the acronym PHB stand for?
--B
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Dude, giyf.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointy-Haired_Boss
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It's yet another story that makes people who know and understand the
multivalue database model cringe. Often one of the reasons for migrating
seems to be
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[mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Rex Gozar
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:21 AM
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Subject: Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster
I guess the basic
Even PHB's don't go spending millions of dollars on SAP just because
their 25 year old windows programmers don't think UV is productive.
Rex,
Based on the results, I have to wonder if the PHB selected SAP before any
kind of analysis was done and without the knowledge of how difficult
Subject: Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster
I guess the basic premise of your argument is that the PHB's are
listening to 90-day-wonder windows programmers, and they encouraged said
PHB's that they needed to replace the UV database.
I don't buy it.
Even PHB's don't go spending millions
14:48
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster
It's yet another story that makes people who know and understand the
multivalue database model cringe. Often one of the reasons for migrating
seems to be due to decisions being made upstairs by people who have
I worked for a company that bought another company to replace an
existing product strictly because it has a pretty interface by
management. The amazing thing was that they got several developers and
support personall together to go over the system and see how it compares
to ours (which was
From: Charles_Shaffer
Hear hear. And now that this Microsoft-centric
mentality has spread to management, I am concerned
that there will be serious consequences down the road. ...
2. It was Windows-based. (Bad idea #2)...
Charles Shaffer
Senior Analyst
NTN-Bower Corporation
I'm
- we love 'em.
Regards
JayJay
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[mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Utech
Sent: 20 April 2009 18:12
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Subject: RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster
Rex's point that PHB's
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us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony G
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 4:14 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster
[chop]
A Microsoft-centric metality
An IBM vendor went to a company I used to work for to try to get them to dump
their current Unidata database and switch to DB2, how much new and better it
was. One of the advantages he listed was IBM support.
So one guy in our IT department told him: You really don't know anything
about
OMG. That is hilarious. Thanks for sharing.
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[mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jacques G.
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 3:24 PM
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We have a Thomson Reuters logo on Mike Weir's cap - does that count??
Of course, I remember a story my old boss told me about a CEO he met at a golf
tournament. Apparently he was crowing about the new $25 million SAP system he
had just purchased. He had no idea what it would do for them, but it
: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster
There were a few posts back in January about Denver jewelry retailer
Shane Co. and their disastrous migration from UV to SAP. Today they're
starring in an eWeek slideshow about I.T. disasters:
http://www.baselinemag.com/c/a/IT-Management/Dirty-Dozen-Inside-12
I heard that IBM bought Unidata and Universe to kill them off.
To their surprise many of us are refusing to let the U2 die.
Laurie
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I heard that IBM bought Unidata and Universe to kill them off.
To their surprise many of us are refusing to let the U2 die.
Laurie
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I think there are two other factors that come into play: technology and
marketing.
I know of at least one site here in the UK who are committed to moving to SAP
because they believed for a long time that UV was a dead platform. Why? Because
for years they heard nothing to the contrary. They
the blame go, the people that left were at fault for not giving the
youngsters all of the information they needed.
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From: Rex Gozar rgo...@autopower.com
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 4:38 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
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Subject: Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster
I can't speak for everyone but if it's anything like at our place, it's
due to lack of education. UniVerse is contains all of our business logic
and Microsoft is used for our presentation layer, desktop and web. We have
3 programmers
There were a few posts back in January about Denver jewelry retailer
Shane Co. and their disastrous migration from UV to SAP. Today they're
starring in an eWeek slideshow about I.T. disasters:
http://www.baselinemag.com/c/a/IT-Management/Dirty-Dozen-Inside-12-IT-Di
I've been wondering why the Shane Co. felt the need to migrate away from UV.
* Was their IT staff unable to meet business requirements due to the
limitations of UV?
* Was their IT staff to blame, rather than the UV database environment?
(i.e. understaffed, lack of skills, etc.)
At any
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