Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-22 Thread Mecki Foerthmann
jpb-u2ug wrote: Oh and one of these days you are going to be sitting in the same seat talking about the good old days too, and someone is going to be telling you that you're a dinosaur. It's not easy trying to keep up with the technology and if your company isn't using it you tend to gravitate t

RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-22 Thread jpb-u2ug
what they do use. Jerry Banker -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 2:23 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster I secon

RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-21 Thread Norman Morgan
locking Your Potential" > > > > > -Original Message- > From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org > [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Schasny > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:51 AM > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject:

Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-21 Thread Bill Haskett
Don't forget Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the U.S. Congress, local school boards, and the list is endless, isn't it. Monkeys aren't limited in location or job (I've been found to act like one on more occasions than I care to remember). :-) Bill __

Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-21 Thread Rex Gozar
But it's always about the money. If the current UV system is perceived to be incomplete, management is FORCED to decide between buy or build -- both take money. And they will automatically lean towards the solution they are familiar with (just like we do.) As UV professionals, we need to add

Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-21 Thread Allen Egerton
Laurie Blain wrote: > It was buzz at an Ardent Conference back in the 1999? > I think some of that attitude is why many think they need to move > off Unidata. But really in college back in 95 I heard that Cobol was a dead > language > you can still find jobs with Cobol. In 1981 I took a college c

Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-21 Thread Norman Bauer
"I think it would be to our advantage if only businesses were in fact led by rational intelligent people all the time but Enron, Global Crossings, Bear Stearns, etc, etc, etc should be sufficient warning that they are not." The best line I have seen on this thread thus far. Really we are all huma

RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-21 Thread John Carter
hasny Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:51 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster Unfortunately, its not always about the money. In many cases its about a change of leadership where the new guy on top wants his own personal favorite software. I have been pe

Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-21 Thread Jeff Schasny
Unfortunately, its not always about the money. In many cases its about a change of leadership where the new guy on top wants his own personal favorite software. I have been personally involved with at least 2 instances where a new CFO has insisted that the ERP solution with which he/she/it is

RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-21 Thread Laurie Blain
: From: Henry Unger Subject: RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 12:48 AM Really. From whom did you hear that? Henry Henry P. Unger Hitech Systems, Inc. http://www.hitech.com -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us

RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-21 Thread David Jordan
I think it is quite simply, management do not understand technology. They are risk averse and if everyone else uses a product, then it must be good. It is a bit of the old days, you cannot get fired for buying IBM. I don't think it is cost, or technical advantages that are winning the day, it

RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-21 Thread Charles_Shaffer
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc: Subject:RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster Speak of the devil. Here's an example from today. "The Joint Strike Fighter project in the US, in which Britain's BAE Systems is a major partner has been infiltr

RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-21 Thread Charles_Shaffer
Speak of the devil. Here's an example from today. "The Joint Strike Fighter project in the US, in which Britain's BAE Systems is a major partner has been infiltrated by hackers. The Wall Street journal reported that the hackers thought to be from China siphoned off several terabytes of data

RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-21 Thread Nick Gettino
2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Rex Gozar Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:18 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster It's fun to think of UV as the underdog and how the cards are stacked against us. It's fun to be in the "I told you

Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-21 Thread Rex Gozar
It's fun to think of UV as the underdog and how the cards are stacked against us. It's fun to be in the "I told you so" crowd when the competitor fails. But it doesn't matter if the competitor wins or loses; the reality is that another UV site has bit the dust. WE LOST -- that's my real concern

RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-21 Thread Marc Harbeson
ROTFL. U2 is like a virus. hehehehe -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Anthony W. Youngman Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:59 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration

RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-21 Thread Marc Harbeson
: RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster I heard that IBM bought Unidata and Universe to kill them off. To their surprise many of us are refusing to let the U2 die. Laurie --- On Mon, 4/20/09, Colin Alfke wrote: From: Colin Alfke Subject: RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster To: u2-users

RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-21 Thread Charles_Shaffer
>> I'm seeing these anti-Microsoft arguments and it seems to me some >> of you folks are missing the point. I think you are skipping over my point. If the control systems for the power grid are connected to the Internet through Windows based systems, then there is a serious security issue that

Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-21 Thread Brian Leach
All I think we all neeed to recognize that IBM *could* have just sat on the products milking the revenue without adding any enhancements, trusting that sufficient users would never move off to keep a meaningful revenue stream alive. To their credit, they have not. We have seen new features, im

Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-21 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message <461165.65382...@web58106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>, Laurie Blain writes I heard that IBM bought Unidata and Universe to kill them off. To their surprise many of us are refusing to let the U2 die. I think the problem WAS (apparently the people involved have moved on) that the top people

Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-21 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message <214234.57230...@web51710.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, Don Robinson writes Perhaps a bigger push into the open source space would help. I recently read that MySQL has a long history of bugs, like losing all your data, and some of them will not be fixed. Yet it remains the most popular free

RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-20 Thread Henry Unger
@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster I heard that IBM bought Unidata and Universe to kill them off. To their surprise many of us are refusing to let the U2 die. Laurie --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http

RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-20 Thread Laurie Blain
I heard that IBM bought Unidata and Universe to kill them off. To their surprise many of us are refusing to let the U2 die. Laurie --- On Mon, 4/20/09, Colin Alfke wrote: From: Colin Alfke Subject: RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Date: Monday, April 20

[U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-20 Thread Don Robinson
er mouse trap, why doesn't the world know it? Just, my 2 cents worth. BTW, I'm looking for programming work! Universe, Unidata, jBASE, etc. Linux, Aix, Windows, Mac. Don Robinson donr_w...@yahoo.com From: John Hester To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.or

RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-20 Thread Colin Alfke
We have a Thomson Reuters logo on Mike Weir's cap - does that count?? Of course, I remember a story my old boss told me about a CEO he met at a golf tournament. Apparently he was crowing about the new $25 million SAP system he had just purchased. He had no idea what it would do for them, but it c

RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-20 Thread Tony G
I wrote: > > Anyone who insists on doing everything with Microsoft > > tools is just as bad as someone who continually > > insists on getting their MV DBMS to do things that a > > DBMS was never meant to do Glen responded: > Whoah there.. Aren't you mixing up the fruit basket a > bit? MV is n

RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-20 Thread Glenn Batson
OMG. That is hilarious. Thanks for sharing. -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jacques G. Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 3:24 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration

Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-20 Thread Jacques G.
An IBM vendor went to a company I used to work for to try to get them to dump their current Unidata database and switch to DB2, how much new and better it was. One of the advantages he listed was "IBM support". So one guy in our IT department told him: "You really don't know anything about Un

RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-20 Thread Glen Batchelor
> -Original Message- > From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2- > us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony G > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 4:14 PM > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject: RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster > [chop] &

RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-20 Thread John Jenkins
t 'em - we love 'em. Regards JayJay -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Utech Sent: 20 April 2009 18:12 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster Rex

RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-20 Thread Tony G
> From: Charles_Shaffer > Hear hear. And now that this Microsoft-centric > mentality has spread to management, I am concerned > that there will be serious consequences down the road. ... > 2. It was Windows-based. (Bad idea #2)... > Charles Shaffer > Senior Analyst > NTN-Bower Corporation I'

Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-20 Thread doug chanco
I worked for a company that bought another company to replace an existing product strictly because it has a "pretty interface" by management. The amazing thing was that they got several developers and support personall together to go over the system and see how it compares to ours (which was

Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-20 Thread Mecki Foerthmann
server.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Sallis Sent: 20 April 2009 14:48 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster It's yet another story that makes people who know and understand the multivalue database model crin

RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-20 Thread jpb-u2ug
Subject: Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster I guess the basic premise of your argument is that the PHB's are listening to 90-day-wonder windows programmers, and they encouraged said PHB's that they needed to replace the UV database. I don't buy it. Even PHB's don'

Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-20 Thread Charles_Shaffer
>> Even PHB's don't go spending millions of dollars on SAP just because >> their 25 year old windows programmers don't think UV is productive. Rex, Based on the results, I have to wonder if the PHB selected SAP before any kind of analysis was done and without the knowledge of how difficult imp

RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-20 Thread Bob Utech
responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Rex Gozar Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 9:21 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subj

Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-20 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message <367f3b3911959c4da9991c00166f620c01b90...@euducex2.europe.ad.flextronics. com>, Glenn Sallis writes It's yet another story that makes people who know and understand the multivalue database model cringe. Often one of the reasons for migrating seems to be due to decisions being made up

Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-20 Thread Scott Ballinger
Dude, giyf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointy-Haired_Boss /Scott Ballinger Pareto Corporation Edmonds WA USA 206 713 6006 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/

Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-20 Thread Charlie Rubeor
"Pointy Haired Boss" from Dilbert. - Original Message - From: "Brutzman, Bill" To: Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 12:04 PM Subject: RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster > What does the acronym "PHB" stand for? > > --B > --- > u2-user

RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-20 Thread Norman Morgan
> What does the acronym "PHB" stand for? Ask any Dilbert fan! PHB is pointy-haired boss. Norman Morgan <> nmor...@brake.com <> http://www.brake.com Lottery: a tax on people w

Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-20 Thread Bill Haskett
Maybe a "U2 from IBM" logo on Tiger Woods' golf cap would be helpful. :-) Bill __ From: Glenn Sallis Sent: 4/20/2009 6:47 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] UV to SAP mig

RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-20 Thread Brutzman, Bill
What does the acronym "PHB" stand for? --B --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/

RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-20 Thread Glenn Sallis
ontag, 20. April 2009 14:44 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster Hear hear. And now that this Microsoft-centric mentality has spread to management, I am concerned that there will be serious consequences down the road. I just heard that the US power

RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-20 Thread Brenda Price
rogrammer Rapid Response Team Market America, Inc. Greensboro, NC > -Original Message- > From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2- > us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Rex Gozar > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 10:21 AM > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org

RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-20 Thread Nick Gettino
Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Sallis Sent: 20 April 2009 14:48 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster It's yet another story that makes people who know and understand the

RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-20 Thread Symeon Breen
wner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Sallis Sent: 20 April 2009 14:48 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster It's yet another story that makes people who know and understand the multivalue database model cringe. Often one of the reasons for migrating

Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-20 Thread Rex Gozar
I guess the basic premise of your argument is that the PHB's are listening to 90-day-wonder windows programmers, and they encouraged said PHB's that they needed to replace the UV database. I don't buy it. Even PHB's don't go spending millions of dollars on SAP just because their 25 year old w

Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-20 Thread Charles_Shaffer
affer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation "JPB-U2UG" Sent by: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org 04/18/2009 05:53 PM Please respond to u2-users To: cc: Subject: Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster I can't speak for everyone but if it&#x

Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-19 Thread Brian Leach
I think there are two other factors that come into play: technology and marketing. I know of at least one site here in the UK who are committed to moving to SAP because they believed for a long time that UV was a dead platform. Why? Because for years they heard nothing to the contrary. They now

Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-18 Thread Bill Haskett
e at fault for not giving the youngsters all of the information they needed. -- From: "Rex Gozar" Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 4:38 PM To: Subject: Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster I've been wo

Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-18 Thread JPB-U2UG
me to light the company is on the brink of bankruptcy. Where does the blame go, the people that left were at fault for not giving the youngsters all of the information they needed. -- From: "Rex Gozar" Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 4:38

Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-17 Thread Rex Gozar
I've been wondering why the Shane Co. felt the need to migrate away from UV. * Was their IT staff unable to meet business requirements due to the limitations of UV? * Was their IT staff to blame, rather than the UV database environment? (i.e. understaffed, lack of skills, etc.) At any rate,

[U2] UV to SAP migration disaster

2009-04-17 Thread John Hester
There were a few posts back in January about Denver jewelry retailer Shane Co. and their disastrous migration from UV to SAP. Today they're starring in an eWeek slideshow about I.T. disasters: http://www.baselinemag.com/c/a/IT-Management/Dirty-Dozen-Inside-12-IT-Di sasters-874085/?kc=EWKNLEDP0417