Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie

2009-09-17 Thread Mecki Foerthmann
George, I think Dawn's emphasis was on survive, and that doesn't necessarily mean thrive. To my ears the Rocket business plan for legacy products sounds more like running a rest home for no longer wanted technology They keep it alive as long as there is a profit to be made from licence and

Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie

2009-09-17 Thread George Land
My understanding of the logic of this is that the U2 people are so excited about it because it will allow them to invest in product development in a meaningful way. To describe Rocket as a rest home for no longer wanted technology is very harsh, what they are is an OEM specialist. A big part of

Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie

2009-09-17 Thread Brian Leach
George I'm totally with you on this. The products have been through several hands, and this is the first time since the days of VMARK and UniData they haven't been merged/sold to database vendors with competing products. That has to be a good thing. The deal is done and we don't have any choice

Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie

2009-09-17 Thread Results
One point to consider... IBM owns tons of databases but they only publicly talk about 1: DB2. Rocket doesn't own any databases. If they want to be in that market, U2 is 100% of their stake. Nothing is certain, but that is encouraging. - Chuck Mecki Foerthmann wrote: George, I think

Re: [U2] Null character causes odd UV behaviour

2009-09-17 Thread Brenda Price
If you are trying to see if the value is null, try @NULL. Brenda L Price UniVerse Programmer Rapid Response Team Market America, Inc. Greensboro, NC -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Hester

Re: [U2] Strive or Thrive - show me the money!

2009-09-17 Thread Results
Ray, Well said. The key thing here is that there hasn't been a takeover. U2 wasn't a company, there were a division. Transfers like this have a different character - especially in terms of the number of steps they need to take before they are complete. Assume that there are still thinks to

Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie

2009-09-17 Thread Lance Andersen
I think time will tell whether they will grow the business or do what was done with Primos when Peritus just provided support for Prime Computer customers for several years with old Prime Computer personnel. Out of curiosity, What is the annual revenue stream for U2? Is it more than

[U2] Worst case, best case

2009-09-17 Thread Results
All, Let's say that U2 is going to a rest home - not my opinion, but let's follow the path... If I need new licenses (or, in England, new licences), I can still buy them in this scenario. If I need to run the apps I have, nothing changes. If I need to update my apps, I either need U2

[U2] Worst Case/Best Case

2009-09-17 Thread Bessel, Karen
I don't mean to be Ms. Doom Gloom, but I have to disagree with Chuck. U2 has been headed towards a rest home for years. I've worked for several end-users as well as a few U2 VAR's over the years, and it's pretty apparent to me that it's on its way out. I'd really like to look at this Rocket thing

Re: [U2] Worst Case/Best Case

2009-09-17 Thread George Land
Customers do come and go, the thing with U2 is that you don't see most of the customer base because it's an OEM product, most of the customers run someone's application. That's the market and U2 is becoming just part of the mix for most VARs. Our application is U2 based but the code is

[U2] Personal Edition

2009-09-17 Thread Barry Rogen
Has anybody tried running the U2 (UniVerse) Personal Edition for Linux on Ubuntu ? If so, how is it working ? Are there any gotcha hiding ? Barry Rogen PNY Technologies, Inc. Senior Programmer/Analyst (973) 515 - 9700 ext 5327 bro...@pny.com

Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie

2009-09-17 Thread Brutzman, Bill
My constant struggle is trying to get end-users here to tell me what they want - they always want to tell me what we have - which of course I already know. Now that the picture has changed, U2UG has an opportunity to consider what we want. I seem to remember some DE tech manual pages having to

[U2] Rocket Software Purchase

2009-09-17 Thread Burwell, Ed
Anybody know how much IBM sold it for? __ This e-mail has been scanned by MCI Managed Email Content Service, using Skeptic(tm) technology powered by MessageLabs. For more information on MCI's Managed Email Content Service,

Re: [U2] Worst Case/Best Case

2009-09-17 Thread Charlie Rubeor
Like most guys, I relate best to sports analogies. This feels like getting traded from the Yankees to the Orioles. For those of you across the pond, think of being transferred from Chelsea to West Ham United. Whatever direction that Rocket Software takes the product, it will now be more

Re: [U2] Worst Case/Best Case

2009-09-17 Thread Charles Stevenson
Charlie Rubeor wrote: ... feels like getting traded from the Yankees to the Orioles. For those of you across the pond, think of being transferred from Chelsea to West Ham United. [snip] No offence was intended to West Ham United... so offence to Orioles is inferred?

Re: [U2] Rocket Software Purchase [not-secure]

2009-09-17 Thread Hennessey, Mark F.
snip Anybody know how much IBM sold it for? /snip 30 pieces of silver? Or perhaps simply some beads and trinkets ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users

Re: [U2] Worst Case/Best Case [not-secure]

2009-09-17 Thread Hennessey, Mark F.
I think offense to the Orioles isn't inferred or implied... but deserved... :) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:30 AM To: U2 Users List

Re: [U2] Change is a coming!

2009-09-17 Thread Doug Miller
As A FYI, Rocket Software has posted a Letter from Andy Youniss on their website. http://rocketsoftware.com/about/enterprise-software It appears it addresses some of the concerns voiced here and is probably a front end to a future announcement regarding the acquisition. We are interested

Re: [U2] Change is a coming! [not-secure]

2009-09-17 Thread Hennessey, Mark F.
I believe this is more in the way of a Happy New Year type message. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Doug Miller Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:33 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2]

Re: [U2] Null character causes odd UV behaviour

2009-09-17 Thread Bill Haskett
I think the other option for the SWAP statement is the CHANGE function. e.g. STATE = CHANGE(STATE, CHAR(128), ) This must be pretty old because the argument order is different than most everything else. HTH, Bill

Re: [U2] Worst Case/Best Case

2009-09-17 Thread Tony Gravagno
From: Karen Bessel I've worked for several end-users as well as a few U2 VAR's over the years, and it's pretty apparent to me that it's on its way out. ... The three companies that I have worked for since 2004 have either done away with U2 already, or are currently in the process of

Re: [U2] u2/rocket/datastage - Confirming DataStage is not coming

2009-09-17 Thread Stephen O'Neal
All, Just spoke with Susie and she confirmed that DataStage is not coming to Rocket. FYI, Steve O'Neal Services Sales Leader for U2 in North America,Information Management Lab Services,IBM Software Group From: David Jordan da...@dacono.com.au To: U2 Users List

Re: [U2] Personal Edition

2009-09-17 Thread Martin Scholl
I am running it with Fedora 7. You have to edit the install scripts and replace 'decompress' with 'gunzip'. There might be some other error messages coming up and you might have to install some other libraries. I never write it down when I go through it. Other than that it runs very nice. It

Re: [U2] Personal Edition

2009-09-17 Thread Barry Rogen
Thanks Martin. I will be giving it a go it a bit. Barry Rogen PNY Technologies, Inc. Senior Programmer/Analyst (973) 515 - 9700 ext 5327 bro...@pny.com - We are continually faced with great opportunities brilliantly disguised as

Re: [U2] Worst Case/Best Case

2009-09-17 Thread Symeon Breen
Just to pick up on one point - I am a .net developer but we use u2 as the data store in a growing business with many new customers every year. It is more a problem with peoples mindset than a problem with u2 technology itself, lets home rocket can tackle this head on. -Original Message-

Re: [U2] Worst Case/Best Case

2009-09-17 Thread Results
All, There is something we can all do to help things move in the right direction. Now that we've all had a chance to experience or emotions on this non-trivial issue, we need to focus our energy. The U2-User list has survived and added value despite all of the ownership changes in the past.

[U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-17 Thread Frank Eperjesi
Not to knock Rocket (Especially now that I guess I am be a dealer of there). Also I have no history with them A lot of what all you say as to U2 not evolving enough is true, but part of the reason for that and problems in the D3, U2 or mult-value world in general is that almost all the current

Re: [U2] Personal Edition

2009-09-17 Thread Doug Chanco
I am running it on centos 5.x and like it BUT be aware that there are some limitations 2 user limit File sizes have to be under 10,000 But otherwise it runs just fine dougc -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-17 Thread Doug Chanco
Maybe they will hire apple's marketing dept. and in a release or two down the line we'll have customers standing in line to buy U2? They did it with iPhone so I'm sure they can do it with U2 Dougc -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-17 Thread Glen Batchelor
The iPhone was a progression of proprietary touch technology and combined supporting technologies and software (stemming from the original ground-breaking iPod through to the iTouch/iPhone) that did not exist with other mobile multi-media or cellular phone products. Other makers have been trying

[U2] Z_xxxxxxx not created

2009-09-17 Thread Kevin King
The UDT.OPTIONS manual explains that when a program does a EXECUTE... CAPTURING... there is a temporary item created in _PH_ called Z_ followed by the PID. I have tested this and found it to be true, and the item is immediately removed after the CAPTURING has read its value. I have a client on a

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-17 Thread Kevin King
I can access MV data from my iPhone today. Sure, it's through the browser, but it's access nonetheless. -Kevin http://www.PrecisOnline.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-17 Thread doug chanco
while I agree that marketing cannot totally save every product it sure can't hurt, I agree that saying we run on an IBM database sounds so much better than we run on a rocket database at least until rocket becomes (hopefully) a more well known company. To be perfectly honest my point was

Re: [U2] Worst Case/Best Case

2009-09-17 Thread Kevin King
No offense to anyone, though it will likely come off that way. One of my gripes about this industry is that we've all be doing so much for so long with so little we've become, as the old saying goes, able to do everything with anything for nothing. Problem is, our anything is qualified as

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-17 Thread Kevin King
Why can't we just stick with we make your problems go away? Technology is a commodity. People want solutions. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-17 Thread Glen Batchelor
Cheater!! Don't you get tired of zooming and scrolling? A native app is better suited for complex web applications. Safari on the iPhone does an amazing job with typical web sites, but it's still a major pain to have to zoom and pan to type into fields all over the page. We're considering a

[U2] U2 come back

2009-09-17 Thread David Jordan
One thing I have noticed from the GFC, is that management are no longer impressed by sparkle. They are looking for delivery and some of the market leaders have a reputation for not delivering, for cost blowouts and failure to perform to expectations. When times are tight, management are

Re: [U2] Z_xxxxxxx not created

2009-09-17 Thread Charles Stevenson
How about D:\path...\ filling up, even just momentarilly? Are they monitoring for that? I don't know UD, but UV has UVTEMP to do something very similar with CAPTURING. Could process B get the message you describe, but it's really a downstream effect of process A, a different process

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-17 Thread Glen Batchelor
Like a matter/anti-matter conversion gun? What happens when the problem is the business procedures and the company still wants you to make it all better without changing processes? Flawed processes can not be fixed with software. The effects of their inefficiency can be reduced by streamlining

Re: [U2] Z_xxxxxxx not created

2009-09-17 Thread David A. Green
If it was permissions then it would happen all the time. I would look at a timing issue. Windows is known to hold on to resources, maybe a sleep command in the right place could avoid it? Thanks, David A. Green www.dagconsulting.com (480) 813-1725 -Original Message- From:

Re: [U2] What Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-17 Thread Brutzman, Bill
You can take the boy off the farm but you cannot take the farm out of the boy... You CAN take a UniVerse and put it into a Rocket and you CAN take a Rocket and send it into the UniVerse. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-17 Thread Tony Gravagno
From: Doug Chanco Maybe they will hire apple's marketing dept. and in a release or two down the line we'll have customers standing in line to buy U2? They did it with iPhone so I'm sure they can do it with U2 Actually a key difference here is the mindset of the people offering the

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-17 Thread Dawn Wolthuis
What do you mean just? For building a new app, they got to the top of my list a couple of years ago. Now that they (Cache') have a number of conversions from various mv platforms under their belts, this change in U2 ownership might prompt a few more folks to think about migrating, but for the most

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-17 Thread David Jordan
Glen A U2 application just threw SAP out of a site it can and is being done. I believe there is a case study available of it on the IBM U2 site. The CEO stated that SAP did not deliver for the cost and this U2 application did. I would challenge the consultants who recommended SAP to advice

Re: [U2] U2 come back

2009-09-17 Thread Tony Gravagno
I applaud David's comments - probably because they all happen to agree with my own views (LOL). I'll add a note that I frequently see in business magazines and other media: One of the major features that business owners and IT Managers don't have in their modern software is the versatility to

Re: [U2] Change is a coming! [not-secure]

2009-09-17 Thread Dawn Wolthuis
So are they not yet free to make an actual announcement or what? Just curious. --dawn -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Hennessey, Mark F. mark.hennes...@ct.gov wrote: I believe this is more in the way of a Happy New Year type message.