Re: [U2] Newbies need love too
I've found that existing systems can offer a great learning area. Perhaps not for the best programming styles. But it's usually pretty readable and the newbies can relate to the inside based on what's happening on the outside. My 1 cent - Original Message - From: "Wendy Smoak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [U2] Newbies need love too > On 1/31/06, Walter Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Is there not a "UniVerse for Dummies" website? Our sales rep asked his > > programmer and he said, "I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you would > > learn it today." > > > > I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this solution > > for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them excited about > > this platform I need to let them experiment. > > I'm not aware of any "introductory" material... you just have to dive in. :) > > Have them install the Personal Edition on their development > workstations, then go through the library of PDFs. > > * http://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/download/search.jsp?go=y&rs=u2trials > * http://www-306.ibm.com/software/data/u2/pubs/library/100univ/univ_101.html > > It goes without saying that they should be subscribed to u2-users! > > -- > Wendy > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Newbies need love too
On 2/1/06, Wendy Smoak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2/1/06, Nick Cipollina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Check out http://www.discoverycomputersystems.com/ I got my Universe > > training at Marcie's school. She now only does onsite training, but she > > is definitely one of the best instructors I have ever had. She has a > > lot of experience, and was one of the trainers at PICK. > > I've attempted to capture all of the links that were suggested on this > Wiki page: >http://www.pickwiki.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UniVerse/GettingStarted > > Please feel free to add more! (To edit, click preferences, and the > admin password is Mr. Pick's first name in lowercase.) Thanks Wendy -- that's great! --dawn > -- > Wendy > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. Take and give some delight today! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Newbies need love too
Wendy: Do you think it'd be a good idea to put a "Getting Started" link to this page on the main page, or did I miss it? :-) Bill > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wendy Smoak > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:27 AM > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject: Re: [U2] Newbies need love too > > On 2/1/06, Nick Cipollina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Check out http://www.discoverycomputersystems.com/ I got > my Universe > > training at Marcie's school. She now only does onsite > training, but > > she is definitely one of the best instructors I have ever had. She > > has a lot of experience, and was one of the trainers at PICK. > > I've attempted to capture all of the links that were > suggested on this Wiki page: >http://www.pickwiki.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UniVerse/GettingStarted > > Please feel free to add more! (To edit, click preferences, > and the admin password is Mr. Pick's first name in lowercase.) > > -- > Wendy --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Clifton Oliver & Associates is once again offering on site classes that can bring your staff up to speed quickly. If you (or anyone else reading) would like more information, please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or phone +1 619 460 5678. -- Regards, Clif ~~~ W. Clifton Oliver, CCP CLIFTON OLIVER & ASSOCIATES Tel: +1 619 460 5678Web: www.oliver.com ~~~ On Jan 31, 2006, at 2:33 PM, Walter Vaughan wrote: We are looking extremely hard at moving our company to an MRP/DM vertical solution written to run on the UniVerse platform. Our internal staff has dozens of years experience with filePro, mySQL, PHP, perl... yet we have no experience among the four of us working with UniVerse or any MultiValued/Pick DBMS. The whole concept doesn't scare us since it appears to be a mashing together of a lot of concepts that we already are familiar with. HOWEVER. What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through every google term I could think of to come up with a simple "This is how you get started with a UniVerse". I have installed the personal editions and have the server running, but I have no clue as to really creating a database, defining a table, inserting data into a record, retrieving data from a record, and applying business logic to fields. Is there not a "UniVerse for Dummies" website? Our sales rep asked his programmer and he said, "I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you would learn it today." I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this solution for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them excited about this platform I need to let them experiment. Any website pointers will be appreciated. Thanks, Walter Vaughan Vice President Steele Rubber Products, Inc. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: RE: [U2] Newbies need love too
Walter, There is a real gap in information for newcomers at the moment, but it is something this user group is trying hard to repair. We have a number of projects going on to make this level of information (design, best practice, howto-type information) available to the public. I know this doesn't help you now, but please be sure that you can always post questions here and get a response. You're among friends... First step - download the personal edition from the IBM web site. Get the version for Windows - it's easier to set up. You can also download all of the UniVerse docs from the IBM website: they're all written with experienced developers in mind :-( but the system description guide gives a flavor of what is involved, though bear in mind that it was written a long time ago and has a very primitive outlook on what the technology can do. I would then go straight to the UniObjects manual to see how to use UniVerse in a client/server environment: that's much more fun AND the API used provides a nice abstraction of the database that is more approachable and quite helpful for newbies to learn. Brian > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walter Vaughan >Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:34 PM >To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org >Subject: [U2] Newbies need love too > >We are looking extremely hard at moving our company to an MRP/DM >vertical >solution written to run on the UniVerse platform. Our internal staff has >dozens >of years experience with filePro, mySQL, PHP, perl... yet we have no >experience >among the four of us working with UniVerse or any MultiValued/Pick DBMS. > >The whole concept doesn't scare us since it appears to be a mashing >together of >a lot of concepts that we already are familiar with. > >HOWEVER. > >What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through every >google >term I could think of to come up with a simple "This is how you get >started with >a UniVerse". I have installed the personal editions and have the server >running, >but I have no clue as to really creating a database, defining a table, >inserting >data into a record, retrieving data from a record, and applying business >logic >to fields. > >Is there not a "UniVerse for Dummies" website? Our sales rep asked his >programmer and he said, "I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you >would >learn it today." > >I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this >solution >for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them excited >about >this platform I need to let them experiment. > >Any website pointers will be appreciated. > >Thanks, > >Walter Vaughan >Vice President >Steele Rubber Products, Inc. >--- >u2-users mailing list >u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org >To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ >--- >u2-users mailing list >u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org >To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Newbies need love too
On 2/1/06, Nick Cipollina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Check out http://www.discoverycomputersystems.com/ I got my Universe > training at Marcie's school. She now only does onsite training, but she > is definitely one of the best instructors I have ever had. She has a > lot of experience, and was one of the trainers at PICK. I've attempted to capture all of the links that were suggested on this Wiki page: http://www.pickwiki.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UniVerse/GettingStarted Please feel free to add more! (To edit, click preferences, and the admin password is Mr. Pick's first name in lowercase.) -- Wendy --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Newbies need love too
Well said Nick. And Marcie is a master at customizing a course to fit your in-house skill set and expertise. She excels at relating the material to the paradigm your people already have, given their IS background. We had her out more than once, years ago [I won't say how many ;-P ] and we were never disappointed. I was with a public safety agency then, and if she can teach cops and fire fighters computer stuff, hey, you know she's good ;-). R. Baker Hughes UniVerse Programming Mouser Electronics, Inc. >Check out http://www.discoverycomputersystems.com/ >I got my Universe training at Marcie's school. >She now only does onsite training, but she is definitely >one of the best instructors I have ever had. >She has a lot of experience, and was one of the trainers at PICK. >Thanks, >Nick Cipollina >>What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through every google >>term I could think of to come up with a simple "This is how you get started with >>a UniVerse". >>Walter Vaughan --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Newbies need love too
Check out http://www.discoverycomputersystems.com/ I got my Universe training at Marcie's school. She now only does onsite training, but she is definitely one of the best instructors I have ever had. She has a lot of experience, and was one of the trainers at PICK. Thanks, Nick Cipollina -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walter Vaughan Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:34 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Newbies need love too We are looking extremely hard at moving our company to an MRP/DM vertical solution written to run on the UniVerse platform. Our internal staff has dozens of years experience with filePro, mySQL, PHP, perl... yet we have no experience among the four of us working with UniVerse or any MultiValued/Pick DBMS. The whole concept doesn't scare us since it appears to be a mashing together of a lot of concepts that we already are familiar with. HOWEVER. What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through every google term I could think of to come up with a simple "This is how you get started with a UniVerse". I have installed the personal editions and have the server running, but I have no clue as to really creating a database, defining a table, inserting data into a record, retrieving data from a record, and applying business logic to fields. Is there not a "UniVerse for Dummies" website? Our sales rep asked his programmer and he said, "I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you would learn it today." I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this solution for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them excited about this platform I need to let them experiment. Any website pointers will be appreciated. Thanks, Walter Vaughan Vice President Steele Rubber Products, Inc. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Newbies need love too
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RE: [U2] Newbies need love too
>-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- >[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Little >Sent: Wednesday, 1 February 2006 12:12 PM >To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org >Subject: Re: [U2] Newbies need love too > > >As a side note, I'm really encouraged to hear that you have a couple of >20-somethings who are willing and able to get into MV! > >Good Luck > >Bob Little >--- Bob, Given this comment, you may be interested to know that we just started 2 new 21 year old graduates last week. They were producing their first multi-valued GUI programs (that IS a plural) by the end of the first day, and were producing nicely formatted reports by the second. OK, so we "cheated" because they are using our Visage environment, but by giving the "young ones" visual tools that they are "familiar" with, then you can easily generate "enthusiasm" for the UV/multi-value environment (especially when they compared development with the tools they had used & studied at university) (BTW, my 11 year old son can also develop applications with Visage ... anyone looking for a system to track Poke Mtn & Yu-Gi-Oh cards?) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage > Better by Design! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Newbies need love too
On 1/31/06, Walter Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We are looking extremely hard at moving our company to an MRP/DM vertical > solution written to run on the UniVerse platform. Our internal staff has > dozens > of years experience with filePro, mySQL, PHP, perl... yet we have no > experience > among the four of us working with UniVerse or any MultiValued/Pick DBMS. > > The whole concept doesn't scare us since it appears to be a mashing together > of > a lot of concepts that we already are familiar with. > > HOWEVER. > > What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through every > google > term I could think of to come up with a simple "This is how you get started > with > a UniVerse". I have installed the personal editions and have the server > running, > but I have no clue as to really creating a database, defining a table, > inserting > data into a record, retrieving data from a record, and applying business logic > to fields. > > Is there not a "UniVerse for Dummies" website? Our sales rep asked his > programmer and he said, "I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you would > learn it today." Hi Walter -- this might not get as deep as you need, but it is a place to start. http://www.tincat-group.com/mv/trilogy.html It is a set of flashcards turned into web presentations (the javascript isn't quite right yet, so be sure to go through all three sets, perhaps returning to this url for each one). The first one is an Overview of MultiValue, the second is about MultiValue Data and the third is about the command environment. After these, take a look at either documentation on the U2 web site or possibly at http://jes.com/pb/index.html to get an overview of DataBASIC before diving in. > I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this solution > for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them excited about > this platform I need to let them experiment. > > Any website pointers will be appreciated. You and/or your programmers might also enjoy my blog. You could start with http://www.tincat-group.com/mewsings/2006/01/is-codd-dead.html and work forward. Enjoy. --dawn -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Newbies need love too
You will probably find that it really isnt difficult to learn. I moved into my current job 12 years ago with absolutely no experience with Universe (actually it was PI/Open and then we moved to Universe). I learned it by just reading, playing on a test account, reading source code, and just getting thrown into the hot seat. I had about 10 yrs previous experience on other systems and databases before Universe. That makes it easier. You find that you are really doing the same thing using different commands. Once you are settled with things, you will find that Universe doesnt need a lot of baby sitting. The people on this list are a great help. There is lots of experience here and people are always glad to help. Dont be afraid to ask questions. Anthony -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 1/27/2006 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Newbies need love too
As someone who teaches them regularly, I'd recommend the IBM "official" classes. The UV900 (UniVerse Essentials) class is designed for newbies, who can then stream into UV903 (UniVerse Database Programming) or UV904 (Administering UniVerse). Sure there are others but these three (a) are scheduled - and run - on a regular basis and (b) will give your people a good grounding. Hound your sales rep for a good price for on-site training - you need only four or five students to make break-even even at published rates, and can arrange times to suit yourselves. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Newbies need love too
Walter Vaughan wrote: Is there not a "UniVerse for Dummies" website? Our sales rep asked his programmer and he said, "I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you would learn it today." I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this solution for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them excited about this platform I need to let them experiment. Any website pointers will be appreciated. Thanks, Walter Vaughan Vice President Steele Rubber Products, Inc. In addition to the excellent links already mentioned - the comp.databases.pick newsgroup is also a good resource for help - although this and the u2-community mailing list are more U2 specific. The good news is that all of these groups are very friendly, very professional and very willing to help. I myself am a U2 newcomer, and have received excellent advice here. As a side note, I'm really encouraged to hear that you have a couple of 20-somethings who are willing and able to get into MV! Good Luck Bob Little --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Newbies Need Love Too
I was in a similar situation eight years ago. At a show, I spoke with an expert from Ardent, who made convincing arguments that U2 is a first-rate platform and especially well suited to MRP applications. At the time, we were also considering mainstream SQL solutions and the Progress database. The IBM U2 website has the complete list of documentation available for the products. Note that some of these books (like Java) may only be listed under UniData although these books there also apply equally to UniVerse. For both newbies and experienced users, the book that I have recommended many times on this forum is "The Pick Programming Language, BASIC", by Malcolm Bull, Chapman & Hall Computing, (c) 1994. This book is well worth having. I like the Dummies books. While this book was written before the Dummies era began, it is well-organized and easy to read. Professional U2 education is available from IBM, www.Epicor.com, and others. I have found that participants on this u2ug list have unparalleled enthusiasm for U2 products. This u2ug list is an outstanding resource for help for both newbies and mavens. Please do not take my word for it; try it out. Post away. Feel free to call me to discuss further... Regards, Bill Brutzman Manager, IT HK MetalCraft Mfg Corp PO Box 775 35 Industrial Road Lodi NJ 07644 973.471.7770 x145 .voice 973.471.9666 .fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] * We are looking extremely hard at moving our company to an MRP/DM vertical solution written to run on the UniVerse platform. Our internal staff has dozens of years experience with filePro, mySQL, PHP, perl... yet we have no experience among the four of us working with UniVerse or any MultiValued/Pick DBMS. The whole concept doesn't scare us since it appears to be a mashing together of a lot of concepts that we already are familiar with. HOWEVER. What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through every google term I could think of to come up with a simple "This is how you get started with a UniVerse". I have installed the personal editions and have the server running, but I have no clue as to really creating a database, defining a table, inserting data into a record, retrieving data from a record, and applying business logic to fields. Is there not a "UniVerse for Dummies" website? Our sales rep asked his programmer and he said, "I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you would learn it today." I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this solution for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them excited about this platform I need to let them experiment. Any website pointers will be appreciated. Thanks, Walter Vaughan Vice President Steele Rubber Products, Inc. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Brutzman, Bill.vcf] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Newbies need love too
Goo'day, Walter, At 17:33 31/01/06 -0500, you wrote: We are looking extremely hard at moving our company to an MRP/DM vertical solution written to run on the UniVerse platform. Our internal staff has dozens of years experience with filePro, mySQL, PHP, perl... yet we have no experience among the four of us working with UniVerse or any MultiValued/Pick DBMS. The whole concept doesn't scare us since it appears to be a mashing together of a lot of concepts that we already are familiar with. HOWEVER. What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through every google term I could think of to come up with a simple "This is how you get started with a UniVerse". I have installed the personal editions and have the server running, but I have no clue as to really creating a database, defining a table, inserting data into a record, retrieving data from a record, and applying business logic to fields. Is there not a "UniVerse for Dummies" website? Our sales rep asked his programmer and he said, "I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you would learn it today." I reckon you should enrol you and your people in the classes organised by IBM. Get a grounding in the Multi-Value and UniVerse concepts first, then look at your application from that grounding and get the provider/VAR to add specifics to the knowledge you have already acquired. You might have caught the posting earlier today: "Folks: Based on a recent thread about UniVerse 'internals' class availability - I researched. The class is now named 'UniVerse Theory and Practice'. It has recently been added to the IBM US class schedule. June 6-9 in Denver. Wally Terhune Manager - U2 Advanced Client Support IBM Information Management 4700 South Syracuse Street, Denver, CO 80237 Tel: 303.773.7969 Fax: 303.773.5915 [EMAIL PROTECTED]" In point of fact, I'd hazard that's how most of us did it - no matter how many years ago it was... It probably wasn't via IBM, though Alternatively, I think there are still courses available from "private sources" Perhaps somebody can come up with a list or a local And, if it's not too soon, welcome to the club -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.25/247 - Release Date: 31/01/06 Regards, Bruce Nichol Talon Computer Services ALBURYNSW 2640 Australia http://www.taloncs.com.au Tel: +61 (0)411149636 Fax: +61 (0)260232119 If it ain't broke, fix it till it is! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.25/247 - Release Date: 31/01/06 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Newbies need love too
I went to a classes offered by my vendor. There are no UniVerse for Dummies books, but there are some really knowledgeable consultants out there. Ask your vendor for some names. Bring him/her in for a couple of days' introduction. Then let your people play for a month. Then bring the consultant back for a week of solid level 1, level 2 training. I think that, along with all the help and advice you will get from the kind folks here will get your people through. My $.02 worth of advice. Al DeWitt Stylmark, Inc. 763-574-8705 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walter Vaughan Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:34 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Newbies need love too We are looking extremely hard at moving our company to an MRP/DM vertical solution written to run on the UniVerse platform. Our internal staff has dozens of years experience with filePro, mySQL, PHP, perl... yet we have no experience among the four of us working with UniVerse or any MultiValued/Pick DBMS. The whole concept doesn't scare us since it appears to be a mashing together of a lot of concepts that we already are familiar with. HOWEVER. What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through every google term I could think of to come up with a simple "This is how you get started with a UniVerse". I have installed the personal editions and have the server running, but I have no clue as to really creating a database, defining a table, inserting data into a record, retrieving data from a record, and applying business logic to fields. Is there not a "UniVerse for Dummies" website? Our sales rep asked his programmer and he said, "I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you would learn it today." I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this solution for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them excited about this platform I need to let them experiment. Any website pointers will be appreciated. Thanks, Walter Vaughan Vice President Steele Rubber Products, Inc. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Newbies need love too
You can look into getting documents and training materials from Malcolm Bull at: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/mbtraining/ or John Sisk at: http://www.jes.com or documentation and training at IBM or Rainingdata's web sites. http://www-306.ibm.com/software/data/u2/pubs/library/ http://www.rainingdata.com/education/index.html and the Users group site at: http://www.u2ug.org/ - Original Message - From: "Walter Vaughan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:33 PM Subject: [U2] Newbies need love too We are looking extremely hard at moving our company to an MRP/DM vertical solution written to run on the UniVerse platform. Our internal staff has dozens of years experience with filePro, mySQL, PHP, perl... yet we have no experience among the four of us working with UniVerse or any MultiValued/Pick DBMS. The whole concept doesn't scare us since it appears to be a mashing together of a lot of concepts that we already are familiar with. HOWEVER. What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through every google term I could think of to come up with a simple "This is how you get started with a UniVerse". I have installed the personal editions and have the server running, but I have no clue as to really creating a database, defining a table, inserting data into a record, retrieving data from a record, and applying business logic to fields. Is there not a "UniVerse for Dummies" website? Our sales rep asked his programmer and he said, "I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you would learn it today." I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this solution for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them excited about this platform I need to let them experiment. Any website pointers will be appreciated. Thanks, Walter Vaughan Vice President Steele Rubber Products, Inc. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Newbies need love too
Try here: http://www.osda.org/ They have links to a lot of resources (and members) scattered all around the US and some out of the US ones too. HTH, Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Walter Vaughan Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 14:34 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Newbies need love too We are looking extremely hard at moving our company to an MRP/DM vertical solution written to run on the UniVerse platform. Our internal staff has dozens of years experience with filePro, mySQL, PHP, perl... yet we have no experience among the four of us working with UniVerse or any MultiValued/Pick DBMS. The whole concept doesn't scare us since it appears to be a mashing together of a lot of concepts that we already are familiar with. HOWEVER. What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through every google term I could think of to come up with a simple "This is how you get started with a UniVerse". I have installed the personal editions and have the server running, but I have no clue as to really creating a database, defining a table, inserting data into a record, retrieving data from a record, and applying business logic to fields. Is there not a "UniVerse for Dummies" website? Our sales rep asked his programmer and he said, "I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you would learn it today." I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this solution for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them excited about this platform I need to let them experiment. Any website pointers will be appreciated. Thanks, Walter Vaughan Vice President Steele Rubber Products, Inc. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ This is message has been scanned for viruses by Webshield E500, Groupshield for Exchange, and McAfee Virus Enterprise This is message has been scanned for viruses by Webshield E500, Groupshield for Exchange, and McAfee Virus Enterprise --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Newbies need love too
Try jes.com for Jonathan Sisk's books. Our newbies have used that book and others as a reference for learning. Both came from RPG programming to UniVerse. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walter Vaughan Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:34 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Newbies need love too We are looking extremely hard at moving our company to an MRP/DM vertical solution written to run on the UniVerse platform. Our internal staff has dozens of years experience with filePro, mySQL, PHP, perl... yet we have no experience among the four of us working with UniVerse or any MultiValued/Pick DBMS. The whole concept doesn't scare us since it appears to be a mashing together of a lot of concepts that we already are familiar with. HOWEVER. What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through every google term I could think of to come up with a simple "This is how you get started with a UniVerse". I have installed the personal editions and have the server running, but I have no clue as to really creating a database, defining a table, inserting data into a record, retrieving data from a record, and applying business logic to fields. Is there not a "UniVerse for Dummies" website? Our sales rep asked his programmer and he said, "I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you would learn it today." I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this solution for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them excited about this platform I need to let them experiment. Any website pointers will be appreciated. Thanks, Walter Vaughan Vice President Steele Rubber Products, Inc. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Newbies need love too
On 1/31/06, Walter Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there not a "UniVerse for Dummies" website? Our sales rep asked his > programmer and he said, "I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you would > learn it today." > > I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this solution > for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them excited about > this platform I need to let them experiment. I'm not aware of any "introductory" material... you just have to dive in. :) Have them install the Personal Edition on their development workstations, then go through the library of PDFs. * http://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/download/search.jsp?go=y&rs=u2trials * http://www-306.ibm.com/software/data/u2/pubs/library/100univ/univ_101.html It goes without saying that they should be subscribed to u2-users! -- Wendy --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Newbies need love too
Try the IBM knowledgebase Sorry I couldn't resist ;-) Walter, you could try http://u2ug.org as a good place to start, there are quite a few knowledgeable people on this list as you may or may not know and people are generally willing to help. I assume as you are buying a package, that you will not have to define a table, insert a record, etc. The main thing you may want to do is to be able to explore the data in the application database and possibly display is using a web browser or the like. There are a couple of people on this list who could probably point you in the UV technologies to accomplish this. Good luck, -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walter Vaughan Sent: Wednesday, 1 February 2006 12:01 p.m. To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Newbies need love too We are looking extremely hard at moving our company to an MRP/DM vertical solution written to run on the UniVerse platform. Our internal staff has dozens of years experience with filePro, mySQL, PHP, perl... yet we have no experience among the four of us working with UniVerse or any MultiValued/Pick DBMS. The whole concept doesn't scare us since it appears to be a mashing together of a lot of concepts that we already are familiar with. HOWEVER. What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through every google term I could think of to come up with a simple "This is how you get started with a UniVerse". I have installed the personal editions and have the server running, but I have no clue as to really creating a database, defining a table, inserting data into a record, retrieving data from a record, and applying business logic to fields. Is there not a "UniVerse for Dummies" website? Our sales rep asked his programmer and he said, "I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you would learn it today." I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this solution for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them excited about this platform I need to let them experiment. Any website pointers will be appreciated. Thanks, Walter Vaughan Vice President Steele Rubber Products, Inc. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Newbies need love too
Walter & Team,
I'm sure you're going to get flooded with posts now, because there is
quite a lot of passion about the Multi-value database model, and you'll
find this community extremely helpful. I am so glad y'all are
considering an MV based app.
Installing PE UV was an excellent start. For your staff to look around
and start creating some files [read Tables] you ought to buy a copy of
"How To Access", by Harvey Rodstein. Talk to Monica at International
Spectrum and she will send you the electronic version, just released.
http://www.intl-spectrum.com
Here is a link to some on-line publications:
http://www.jes.com/olbooks.html Especially helpful to your programmers
would be Jonathan Sisk's Programmer's Guide. This would be your
starting point to understand the UV-Basic language, and how to play with
multi-values ("nested tables" in Oracle [8 or later] lingo).
If you want to see a pretty exhaustive list of all books ever written on
the subject, go to:
http://www.jes.com/picklist.html This list has not been updated in
recent years, I don't think, so there may be additions.
The best news about your initial steps, is that whatever you learn from
Harv's book, or commands you pick up by even gleaning non-UniVerse
publications - will work on UV. There are many nuances of the various
'flavors' of the MV db model, but only worry about that when you get
alot deeper. Only when your programmers get seasoned and begin to
leverage the UV nuances do you need to worry with that. If you can
navigate one MV database, you can navigate them all.
If you want to see something about the [sometimes spicey] history of the
MV model, go to:
http://www.tincat-group.com/mv/familytree.html BTW - [in somewhat
hushed tone] this all started as something called "Pick" but everyone
around here prefers to speak of either Multi-value industry or the U2
(standing for UniData and UniVerse, both now owned by IBM but have
divergent genealogy). Pick is now D3 and well let some other
folks check in now.
Hope you have fun. MV is a blast.
R. Baker Hughes
UniVerse Programming
Mouser Electronics, Inc.
>I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this
solution
>for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them excited
about
>this platform I need to let them experiment.
>Any website pointers will be appreciated.
>Walter Vaughan
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RE: [U2] Newbies need love too
Gee, I dunno...I learned it 20 years ago... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Walter Vaughan Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 14:34 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Newbies need love too We are looking extremely hard at moving our company to an MRP/DM vertical solution written to run on the UniVerse platform. Our internal staff has dozens of years experience with filePro, mySQL, PHP, perl... yet we have no experience among the four of us working with UniVerse or any MultiValued/Pick DBMS. The whole concept doesn't scare us since it appears to be a mashing together of a lot of concepts that we already are familiar with. HOWEVER. What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through every google term I could think of to come up with a simple "This is how you get started with a UniVerse". I have installed the personal editions and have the server running, but I have no clue as to really creating a database, defining a table, inserting data into a record, retrieving data from a record, and applying business logic to fields. Is there not a "UniVerse for Dummies" website? Our sales rep asked his programmer and he said, "I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you would learn it today." I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this solution for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them excited about this platform I need to let them experiment. Any website pointers will be appreciated. Thanks, Walter Vaughan Vice President Steele Rubber Products, Inc. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Newbies need love too
We are looking extremely hard at moving our company to an MRP/DM vertical solution written to run on the UniVerse platform. Our internal staff has dozens of years experience with filePro, mySQL, PHP, perl... yet we have no experience among the four of us working with UniVerse or any MultiValued/Pick DBMS. The whole concept doesn't scare us since it appears to be a mashing together of a lot of concepts that we already are familiar with. HOWEVER. What about the newbies? Don't we get any love? I have went through every google term I could think of to come up with a simple "This is how you get started with a UniVerse". I have installed the personal editions and have the server running, but I have no clue as to really creating a database, defining a table, inserting data into a record, retrieving data from a record, and applying business logic to fields. Is there not a "UniVerse for Dummies" website? Our sales rep asked his programmer and he said, "I learned it 20 years ago, I don't know how you would learn it today." I have 23 and 28 year old programers that will have to live with this solution for the next 20 years. They're bright, but in order to get them excited about this platform I need to let them experiment. Any website pointers will be appreciated. Thanks, Walter Vaughan Vice President Steele Rubber Products, Inc. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
