I assumed that the curly thing used over the letter u in German
handwriting was a breve (not a combining u superimposed over a u),
and so in these examples though the u is deleted, its breve is not.
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ating, however, in what spare time I
have.
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French?
No, it isn't. The Egyptological characters have a different pedigree.
I will show this in due course in my updated proposal.
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ncoded, and
to make recommendations accordingly. I am giving this as much
attention as I can given the constraints which are upon me.
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the Greek rough breathing character and reuse it for
Egyptian?
Something like that. Please be patient.
This point of course does not deal with the casing issue.
Gardiner cases them; therefore we shall want casing pairs.
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At 06:59 -0400 2004-10-25, Karljurgen Feuerherm wrote:
Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Mac OS X.
Cheerily,
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r Phoenician in particular show clearly the reasons why
it is not unified with Hebrew.
Ms Keown wants to try to continue to fight against the encoding of
Phoenician, and for some reason she believes that knowing whether or
not "font designers" support its encoding will assist her.
which they are NOT.
This seems to indicate that simply being a "font designer" in 2004 would
not be enough to favor separate encoding of Phoenician. There would
have to be other reasons...
And, indeed, there are. It's that pesky "node" thing, that transcends
language an
lic code points if I want to
transliterate. That's transliteration from one script to another.
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put in place,
there will continue to be opposition to encoding
of any new scripts which do not show clear
semantic distinctiveness and so appear to be in
breach of the principles of the Standard.
You're mistaken in your application of the
concept of "semantic distinctiveness
according to an informative
part of the Standard, p.15, "semantic value" is the only criterion
for a distinct character, it is hardly surprising that people are
confused.
A distinct character is not the same thing as a distinct script, and
the Standard is not the Law with all the world's answers in it.
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I'm finished, Mark.
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27;s writing systems, and even then, he's suggesting that
informative text in the standard about that taxonomy is more
important than getting the job done.
Encoding Phoenician should have been a great pleasure, a celebration
of heritage. Alas it was a bitter exercise in damage control.
allows the chaos of the world's writing systems to flourish quite
safely.
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It still has no Unicode support.
Isn't that disappointing.
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At 22:09 -0800 2004-11-29, Doug Ewell wrote:
Maybe they sit down and talk about it?
He's a troll. ;-)
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o encourage him not to waste his energy on fruitless
discussion.
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Voir http://www.garamonpatrimoine.org/
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ly, I write bespoke software which is
not useful to anyone but my employer; some 90% of all software written
is in this class.
Read: "my employer pays me to make software".
(Are there bespoke fonts which the buyer keeps to himself?)
Yes.
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And other Brahmic dandas are not unified.
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t would rather see progress on Avestan first, I
believe.
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k, the Allied Irish Bank Bank.
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that did not take
the time to reconvert these acronyms to full words...
Nonsense. You might as well try to explain SPQR on the same basis.
And it ignores the fact that RSVP was printed on posted invitation
cards; such invitations were not, as a rule, sent by telegraph.
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From: "E. Keown"
A reliable friend told me that compliance with ISO 10646 is now part
of the legal structure of the EU (European Union).
A reliable friend would quote actual evidence.
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At 13:28 -0800 2004-12-27, Addison Phillips [wM] wrote:
Following draft-langtags (and CLDR usage), it would be "tl-Tglg-PH"
Of course the Tagalog script, unless it is enjoying a renaissance,
hasn't been used much in centuries.
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On 1 Jun 2010, at 13:31, William_J_G Overington wrote:
> I would find it helpful if some readers could possibly comment on the
> contents of the document please.
Very well.
This is not character encoding.
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> "LAMBDA".
*waves hand and takes blame*
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
On 2 Jun 2010, at 00:14, Mark Crispin wrote:
> Is it really necessary to have this sort of pedagogical discussions on the
> Unicode list?
Even I'm not so curmudgeonly, Mark. Live with it and use the delete key.
Cheerily,
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
is totally out of scope for character encoding standards."
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
> BEGINNER if interpreted as hatched in Petra Sancta style is yellow and green
> (or maybe gold and green?).
Or and Vert.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
u can do
sums in Sumerian and Egyptian and Linear B and Phoenician and lots of other
numeric systems.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
e others are all base 10. Hardly a
> wide variety, just different symbols meaning the same thing. None of which
> provide 16 digits needed for a hexadecimal numbering system.
One mentioned 0123456789ABCDEF, and the fact that one has software already
which does sums in this hexadecimal nota
Luke wrote:
> I also plan to teach it as the primary numerical system in my home-school
> curriculum (mainly for my own children, of which I thus far have four)
What a lovely gift to give your children.
Of course, they'll be unable to balance their chequebooks in that dreadful
monkey-fingered
#x27;s wrath, all I can say to that is
"Bollocks".
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
posed of sub-characters representing the individual sounds
> in that syllable. Despite its unnatural origin, numerous
> people use it in their daily lives.
Unnatural origin?
This is trollery.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
On 5 Jun 2010, at 16:33, Otto Stolz wrote:
> You may wonder, why I am using the term “hexadekadic”. This is because,
> “hexadeka” is the Greek word for 16,
> whilst the Latin word ist “sedecim”; there is no language known that has
> “hexadecim”, or anything alike, for 16.
You may wish to compar
On 5 Jun 2010, at 17:44, Peter Constable wrote:
> Can we please encode new characters for base-9 digits “0”, “1”, “2”, “3”,
> “4”, “5”, “6”, “7”, “8”?
OK, Peter. I'll get on to that in advance of the April meeting.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
years later, even with PUA fonts working, Klingonists are still using Latin
as their primary script. Can I buy The Klingon Dictionary in pIqaD? Why not?
> But that's what the PUA is for.
Indeed.
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Hi Ian.
I too have done work with Micmac Hieroglyphs. (I suppose this will come as no
surprise to anyone.)
If you don't mind, I'll talk to you offline about your draft.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
t so common-- even
> music!) situations in his book, with exception obviously to digital data
> sizes (bytes) which are very trivially adapted in with the rest.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
http://www.pluggd.in/indian-rupee-symbol-297/
I don't know if this is a joke or not, but none of those five is any good.
Evidently there is a desire to merge Latin R and Devanagari RA and then add
stripes.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
Some losers:
http://in.yfittopostblog.com/2010/06/24/rupees-new-avatar/
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
itten Lebedev to ask if he's heard anything from the Central Bank.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
Apparently the Indian Cabinet has "deferred" a decision on the Rupee sign.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
lieve that this is a sound proposal; the NBSP "hack" that
the UTC favours is troublesome in practice, in my view, as NBSP is "sticky" on
both sides.
http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n2822.pdf
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
imagine that the Rs symbol (₨) is used outside of India.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
Report of deferral:
http://www.ptinews.com/news/740593_Cabinet-defers-decision-on-rupee-symbol
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
Strange.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/06/25/ios_4_includes_emoji_input_on_japanese_keyboard.html
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
a very strong preference for the term "Bengali".
We don't insist that they start saying Iṅgliṣ instead of Iṅgreji. Nor should
we.
Similarly, they should not insist that we say Baṅgla.
What a bungle.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
e/banking-finance/banking/indian-rupee-symbol-is-approved-2010-07-15-1.266820
>
> Hope it gets into the Unicode soon
> like $ etc.,
>
> N. Ganesan
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On 15 Jul 2010, at 11:14, Michael S. Kaplan wrote:
> My take on the issue right here:
>
> http://blogs.msdn.com/10038526.aspx
>
> :-)
I don't know what the smiley is for. On your blog you say:
"And whatever Michael Everson may think, it is Indian Institute of Technol
thing to put words in my mouth, as you have done in your
blog. You were wrong in making a statement about what I think, and in
particular your tag ", not him" has caused offence.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
the Indian Press they are talking
about Unicode and fonts and keyboards. :-)
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
cripts and other ones.
No, because that U+20AB has a decomposition to R + s and that would not apply
to the new currency sign. Note that some Indian scripts have unique "RU"
symbols for the rupee anyway.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
On 16 Jul 2010, at 10:33, Martin J. Dürst wrote:
> LATIN CAPITAL LETTER RA? Shouldn't that be LATIN CAPITAL LETTER R?
Heh. Heh. Heh.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
rience with the EURO SIGN, I believe it is
imperative that matters like this be handled quickly so that implementors can
get to work.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
On 20 Jul 2010, at 10:57, Siji Sunny wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:37 AM, Michael Everson wrote:
> So you're saying they'd be better off just putting it at U+20B9? :-)
>
> With reference to the unicode Currency Chart, 4 Rupee Sign already been
> there, they
available for others!
And the Universal Character Set enables us to encode the entire history of our
species.
Om nāma Sarasvataye namaḥ.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
r at a stable code position for the use of
Indians and others.
I can't think of any other goals regarding this matter.
Relax. Go see a movie or something. There's nothing wrong here.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
On 23 Jul 2010, at 01:58, Kenneth Whistler wrote:
>> I have seen no other proposals to encode the character, submitted either to
>> the UTC or to WG2.
>
> Actually, there has been another proposal submitted. And it was duly
> registered as an L2 document.
I hadn't
A few new additions have been made. See
http://www.unicode.org/iso15924/codechanges.html
Michael Everson
Registrar
haracter
> came to light there was an unassigned code point available just after the
> DIGIT NINE.
Digits can be scattered randomly about the code space and it wouldn't make any
difference.
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On 24 Jul 2010, at 23:00, Bill Poser wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Michael Everson wrote:
>
>> Digits can be scattered randomly about the code space and it wouldn't make
>> any difference.
>
> Having written a library for performing conversions b
On 25 Jul 2010, at 01:34, karl williamson wrote:
> the proposal did not ask for ones at one or eights at eight. It asked for
> contiguity. Why is this ad odds with common sense and practical
> code-position assignment?
It is unnecessary to make a rule about it.
Michael Evers
And nobody has
actually scattered them. THough there are various types of "runs" in existing
encoded digits and numbers.
Believe it or don't. But I suspect I've been responsible for more of the
encoded numbers than any other person is.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
On 26 Jul 2010, at 10:22, Petr Tomasek wrote:
> Does it mean the "Old North Arabic" will come to unicode soon?
Awww, and we meant it to be a surprise... ;-)
In this case, yes, it does, though ISO 15924 is not really an indicator of such
things.
> Thanks!
Prosim!
Michae
ch text. And due to the complexity of Unicode, even
> Unicode plain text often needs to be rendered with more than one font.
Are or will be OT features supported in, say, filenames?
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
t; automatically using OpenType table info.
I meant on the desktop or in the Finder or Explorer.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
see any Unicode role on India Rupee symbol :)
It doesn't really matter. Though the Government of India have put forward a
proposal.
> ISO will approve it anyway.
You'd better hope so.
Have a nice day,
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
On 29 Jul 2010, at 08:53, Michael Everson wrote:
> No. We will put it in the "Currency Symbols" block because the character does
> not belong to either the Devanagari or the Latin script. Please note that all
> of the reference glyphs
... in that block use a Times-like fo
C standards will take about 18 months to
two years."
Sounds as though our Government of India colleagues gave them good advice.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
On 30 Jul 2010, at 12:02, Vinod Kumar wrote:
> With great difficulty we have managed to bury ISCII or at least make it
> irrelevant.
> Kindly do not resurrect it.
Amen to that.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
On 2 Aug 2010, at 08:52, Andreas Stötzner wrote:
> Am 01.08.2010 um 13:03 schrieb Leonardo Boiko:
>
>> And it’s the only font I know with U+2E19 PALM BRANCH ⸙
>
> It is not. Andron has it.
As does Everson Mono.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
bout "non-free" fonts.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
very good at being a merchant.
> It’s much simpler, for me, to stick to an automated system that guarantees
> freedom.
Indeed? Let us weep for those benighted folks who shackled themselves to the
world of pecuniary transaction by choosing to render a shareware fee for
Everson Mono
H
is intended to be submitted for the next UTC
> starting next Monday (August 9).
>
> Any comments are welcome.
I don't think it is a good idea. In particular the implications for Serbian
orthography would be most unwelcome.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
Janusz,
Sounds like you need a new character. Recently I wrote a proposal to encode TOP
HALF SECTION SIGN. See http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n3740.pdf
If you want to contact me off-line we can put a proposal together quickly
enough, I think.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
Yeah, well, I am not convinced of the merits of your proposal. Sorry.
On 6 Aug 2010, at 22:20, Karl Pentzlin wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 3. August 2010 um 09:45 schrieb Michael Everson:
>
> ME> ... In particular the implications
> ME> for Serbian orthography would be most unwelco
On 8 Aug 2010, at 17:56, António MARTINS-Tuválkin wrote:
> On 2010.08.06, 10:06, Michael Everson wrote:
>
>> Recently I wrote a proposal to encode TOP HALF SECTION SIGN. See
>> http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n3740.pdf
>
> It is, as usual, very interesting to rea
On 18 Sep 2010, at 16:36, abysta wrote:
> I need a dot to separate words into syllables. What should I use, 00B7 or
> 2027, and why?
MIDDLE DOT vs HYPHENATION POINT, eh? I've always assumed the latter functioned
as a dot-shaped hyphen.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
On 18 Sep 2010, at 20:23, Asmus Freytag wrote:
> Why not use the character that was added to Unicode precisely for the purpose?
Seems like that character needs an annotation, doesn't it?
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
This seems off topic.
On 21 Sep 2010, at 11:13, Krishna Birth wrote:
>
> When I said Font कey, I meant as a 3-in-1 concept that includes कeyboard
> mapping and Fonts and perhaps a better description would be Font Script कey.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> Me
ntly from their Greek antecedents and
should not remain unified. The case for theta is messier because theta is so
very messy.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
hey are the same technical and usability reasons which led to the
disunification of Cyrillic Ԛ and Ԝ from Latin Q and W.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
is already a convention (going back to the late 19th or early
20th century) about handling this.
In an ordinary Times-like font, "a" slopes and loses its hat when italicized.
In an ordinary Times-like font, "ɑ" is replaced by an italic Greek α (alpha).
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
Kill the thread already, folks.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
l IPA letter a which, in italic
> style, would be obliqued, not italicized?
I should think not.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
uch a thing as over-unification, though.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
aracters. Or show a RTL and LTR override character without
actually overriding the text. You'd need a picture for that, because just
putting in a glyph for it would also override the text.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
(which we already
have for some of them) is no bad thing, and the argument about "too many
characters" is not compelling, as there are only some dozens of these
characters encoded, not thousands and thousands or anything.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
eta-meta-character to talk about the meta-character,
> and then it's not just a size problem, but an infinite-looping problem.
I do not follow the logic of this assertion. SPACE and SYMBOL FOR SPACE exist.
No infinite recursion is needed.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
;t do it
interchangeably.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
On 15 Jul 2011, at 18:26, Michael Everson wrote:
> What I see is a certain unreasonability reflecting a certain conservatism.
> Text about the Standard is important, and should be representable in an
> interchangeable way. Here { } is a Right to left override character.
> characte
TIN CAPITAL LETTER D in plain text? I use the
graphic character D. It's not an invisible character.
To talk about U+2420, you use the graphic symbol U+2420 ␠. That is however not
an answer to my complaint that encoding a SYMBOL FOR something otherwise
invisible implies an infinite recursion of other characters.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
#x27;t be interchanged. So if I want a web page for instance to
describe how invisible characters affect Devanagari character shaping, I can't
do it with a graphic character. Even though the text of the standard may do so
using that graphic character inline in text.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
time. No need to bash Karl.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
context of the Wingdings-type symbols
these characters should not be considered. They should be considered as a whole
on their own.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
for no real reason at all.
>> In fact, I think it would be advantageous to users of the standard and to
>> promulgators of the standard for such symbols to be encoded.
> And I rather think not. Asmus' analysis was spot on.
Well, I can't just use a font and put a dott
be a canonical
decomposition for the characters encoded.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
e
> established process.
>
> I don't really need to tell you this, as you are quite familiar with how the
> process works.
No, you really don't. :-/
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