Re: the flow of wicket

2008-01-23 Thread Gwyn Evans
On 21/01/2008, Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fine, this can be a good compromise: documentation written by the skilled community and reviewed by the developers themselves. I'm not that hardcore now, but the more I get into Wicket, the more I'll try to help out as much as I can.

Re: the flow of wicket

2008-01-14 Thread Fabio Fioretti
On Jan 14, 2008 1:35 AM, Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Documenting Wicket's inner implementations and strategies, beyond its API, is desirable and a huge plus for hardcore developers. i wouldnt think hardcore developers would be afraid of setting a breakpoint and walking the

Re: the flow of wicket

2008-01-14 Thread Fabio Fioretti
On Jan 14, 2008 1:00 AM, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: easy to say when its not you who has to put in the huge effort :) I'm just a humble junior developer. :) Regards, Fabio Fioretti - WindoM - To unsubscribe,

Re: the flow of wicket

2008-01-14 Thread Alex Jacoby
On Jan 12, 2008, at 2:56 PM, Dmitry Kandalov wrote: On Saturday 12 January 2008 23:25:43 Igor Vaynberg wrote: sure, and all you need to know is that you subclass requestcycle.onbeginrequest() and add your own code there and it is called at the beginning of the request. why do you need to know

Re: the flow of wicket

2008-01-14 Thread Igor Vaynberg
On Jan 14, 2008 6:08 AM, Alex Jacoby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've hit exactly this type of issue -- you try to override one of the public methods, and it turns out that the object isn't fully initialized yet, so you can't do what you'd hoped to. do you have the example so we can do something

RE: the flow of wicket

2008-01-14 Thread Dan Kaplan
@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: the flow of wicket I *strongly* disagree with your answer. The fact is that this information is only beneficial for a really very small portion of our user base. The documentation effort on the other hand is HUGE! And subject to change easily. From 1.1 to 1.2 we

Re: the flow of wicket

2008-01-13 Thread Dmitry Kandalov
On Sunday 13 January 2008 04:19:30 Igor Vaynberg wrote: Ok, so rarely you need to roll your own IRequestTargetUrlCodingStrategy, we do provide implementations to cover most common cases. And even if you do, you only need to know about IRequestTarget - which has good javadoc, and so does the

Re: the flow of wicket

2008-01-13 Thread Dmitry Kandalov
On Sunday 13 January 2008 12:47:44 Dmitry Kandalov wrote: On Sunday 13 January 2008 04:19:30 Igor Vaynberg wrote: Ok, so rarely you need to roll your own IRequestTargetUrlCodingStrategy, we do provide implementations to cover most common cases. And even if you do, you only need to know

Re: the flow of wicket

2008-01-13 Thread Fabio Fioretti
On Jan 12, 2008 8:56 PM, Dmitry Kandalov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the whole I think it's the matter of knowing the big picture and not using framework as a black box. Exactly. For knowledge's sake. Documenting Wicket's inner implementations and strategies, beyond its API, is desirable and a

Re: the flow of wicket

2008-01-13 Thread Igor Vaynberg
On Jan 13, 2008 3:28 PM, Fabio Fioretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Documenting Wicket's inner implementations and strategies, beyond its API, is desirable and a huge plus for hardcore developers. i wouldnt think hardcore developers would be afraid of setting a breakpoint and walking the code.

Re: the flow of wicket

2008-01-13 Thread Eelco Hillenius
Documenting Wicket's inner implementations and strategies, beyond its API, is desirable and a huge plus for hardcore developers. i wouldnt think hardcore developers would be afraid of setting a breakpoint and walking the code. maybe one of them could even create a wiki page - open source

RE: the flow of wicket

2008-01-12 Thread David Leangen
It would be faster if you can help us. :) sure, it would probably be faster if i coded your project for you too :) Cool! Since you're now doing this kind of volunteer work, Igor, how about coding some stuff for me, too? ;-) I'll send you the project description

Re: the flow of wicket

2008-01-12 Thread Paolo Di Tommaso
I disagree with this answer. The fact that request handling stuff is not a public api, is A GOOD REASON because it should be documented better, not viceversa. And I really don't understand in which way this could prevent you to change - eventually - in future wicket versions. I not a newbie

Re: the flow of wicket

2008-01-12 Thread Igor Vaynberg
On Jan 12, 2008 7:16 AM, Paolo Di Tommaso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree with this answer. The fact that request handling stuff is not a public api, is A GOOD REASON because it should be documented better, not viceversa. should we document how our xml parser works? how about how wicket

Re: the flow of wicket

2008-01-12 Thread Martijn Dashorst
I *strongly* disagree with your answer. The fact is that this information is only beneficial for a really very small portion of our user base. The documentation effort on the other hand is HUGE! And subject to change easily. From 1.1 to 1.2 we changed it quite considerably. And I have no doubt

Re: the flow of wicket

2008-01-12 Thread Advanced Technology®
+1 On 1/12/08, Paolo Di Tommaso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree with this answer. The fact that request handling stuff is not a public api, is A GOOD REASON because it should be documented better, not viceversa. And I really don't understand in which way this could prevent you to change

Re: the flow of wicket

2008-01-12 Thread Dmitry Kandalov
On Saturday 12 January 2008 19:56:41 Igor Vaynberg wrote: should we document how our xml parser works? how about how wicket assembles parts of markup into different markup fragments? all these things have no effect on you as a wicket user. a question for you, in what way will knowing the

Re: the flow of wicket

2008-01-12 Thread Igor Vaynberg
On Jan 12, 2008 11:11 AM, Dmitry Kandalov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 12 January 2008 19:56:41 Igor Vaynberg wrote: I mostly agree but request processing is more exposed to user than xml parser. I mean it's easier to came across AjaxRequestTarget, RequestCycle#onBegin/EndRequest() or

Re: the flow of wicket

2008-01-12 Thread Dmitry Kandalov
On Saturday 12 January 2008 23:25:43 Igor Vaynberg wrote: sure, and all you need to know is that you subclass requestcycle.onbeginrequest() and add your own code there and it is called at the beginning of the request. why do you need to know the sequence of calls that leads to onbeginrequest()

Re: the flow of wicket

2008-01-12 Thread Johan Compagner
As far as i know there are some things on the wiki that explains what hooks (onXxx) is called when. And for the public methods this is fine and that should be documented, but still the rest should remain a black box as much as possibe On 1/12/08, Dmitry Kandalov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On

RE: the flow of wicket

2008-01-12 Thread David Leangen
I disagree with this answer. That's great! You are most welcome to disagree. I happen to disagree with your disagreement. That's the great thing about OSS... If you disagree strongly enough, then maybe you can write more stuff on the wiki. I think you're missing a good opportunity here: look

RE: the flow of wicket

2008-01-11 Thread David Leangen
It would be faster if you can help us. :) sure, it would probably be faster if i coded your project for you too :) Cool! Since you're now doing this kind of volunteer work, Igor, how about coding some stuff for me, too? ;-) I'll send you the project description off-link, but you need to

Re: the flow of wicket

2008-01-11 Thread Igor Vaynberg
only 67? :) -igor On Jan 11, 2008 9:34 PM, David Leangen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be faster if you can help us. :) sure, it would probably be faster if i coded your project for you too :) Cool! Since you're now doing this kind of volunteer work, Igor, how about coding some

RE: the flow of wicket

2008-01-10 Thread Dan Kaplan
seconded -Original Message- From: Beyonder Unknown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:05 PM To: WICKET USER Subject: the flow of wicket Hi All, I am studying wicket from the WicketFilter to the WebApplication, but I don't understand the concept of

Re: the flow of wicket

2008-01-10 Thread Beyonder Unknown
: Re: the flow of wicket On Jan 10, 2008 5:47 PM, Beyonder Unknown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Igor, Since it got mentioned in the book, I just thought I'd asked for more information. IRequestCycleProcessor has javadoc which explains what it is used for. the actual workflow is unimportant