[USMA:46427] Re: FDA Dosage Delivery Device, was Re: A spoonful of medicine

2010-01-17 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 16 January 2010 11:47:23 John M. Steele wrote: I commented in December after downloading e-version of Metric Today.  Note that FDA deadline is Feb 3, 2010, and I had trouble with their electronic comment system and had to send them a paper letter, so you may not want to wait until

[USMA:46378] Re: Some recent figurers

2010-01-06 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 06 January 2010 10:14:58 Stephen Humphreys wrote: I think it's wrong to use people as the basis for the figures because it assumes that all US citizens never use metric and all UK subjects never use imperial! It should be based on governments - I think - where the state might

[USMA:46371] Re: US passports

2010-01-05 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 05 January 2010 08:57:38 James R. Frysinger wrote: The form didn't seem to have any units preprinted; it was just a blank editing field. I'll try to enter 1.83 m in there and see what happens. You'll try to enter, or you'll try entering? I didn't find anything hard about writing my

[USMA:46364] Re: US passports

2010-01-04 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 04 January 2010 22:32:40 James R. Frysinger wrote: My wife and I will be applying for US passports soon. There is an online form I can fill in or I can download a form and fill it in by hand. I see no specific, item by item directions. The application requires a statement of

[USMA:46346] Re: A puzzle from the UAE

2010-01-01 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 01 January 2010 15:45:08 Pat Naughtin wrote: I assume that changing the acre to square metres and the rope length to metres or millimetres is not permitted! I assume it is permitted, though the final answer is required in feet. That problem I'd probably do in feet, but if the

[USMA:46336] Re: Local government time confusion

2009-12-30 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 30 December 2009 16:41:02 Carleton MacDonald wrote: 4 am tonight ? Geez. I wrote to them asking what they meant. In Spanish that would be en la madrugada. There is no such word in English, or French for that matter, but there is the word oughten, which refers to 3:00 in the

[USMA:46280] Re: Celsius

2009-12-14 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 14 December 2009 10:51:33 Paul Trusten wrote: Celsius has been the official name for a commonly used SI-derived temperature scale for 60 years. Yet, there seems to be some kind of tacit agreement among people to continue to call it centigrade. I was actually pleasantly surprised to

[USMA:46245] Re: Simple Metric web site.

2009-12-04 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 04 December 2009 10:41:14 Bill Hooper wrote: On Dec 4 , at 3:18 AM, Parker Willey Jr. wrote: I have polished my web pages (showing) how simple the metric system is. Check it out at http://sites.google.com/site/parkersinet/metric You may have some critiques of it but let me

[USMA:46247] Re: Simple Metric web site.

2009-12-04 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 04 December 2009 13:43:01 Robert H. Bushnell wrote: Your draft law includes the word centimeter. I urge you to remove centimeter. It should not be used. It is too close to the inch so that people keep thinking inch or comparing to inch. And is the liter too close to the quart? I

[USMA:46242] Re: tomorrow's high temperature: -4

2009-12-03 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Thursday 03 December 2009 17:06:06 Paul Trusten wrote: A rare minus. Tomorrow's *high* temperature here in Midland, Texas, is expected to be -4 degrees Celsius. The temperature here seldom remains below freezing (of water) very long. Many are cold, but few are frozen. ;) Pierre -- I

[USMA:46216] Re: content inch pound meter gram

2009-11-30 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 30 November 2009 11:54:25 Bill Hooper wrote: We were talking about school children not specialists. I agreed that teaching conversion may be a useful process to learn, but it should wait until algebra and it could be used to convert units OTHER THAN Olde English units. (I gave a

[USMA:46221] Re: content inch pound meter gram

2009-11-30 Thread Pierre Abbat
A kind of algebra problem that is directly related to metrication: You give the student a formula, such as the one used in a county or state to compute the size of a detention pond, expressed in feet and acres, and ask him to convert the formula to metric. Pierre -- lo ponse be lo mruli po'o

[USMA:46222] Re: Ergs???

2009-11-30 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 30 November 2009 16:06:39 ezra.steinb...@comcast.net wrote: Anyone have an idea why the article (from our friends at NASA ;-) below would mention ergs for energy? http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/stereo/news/solar_tsunami.html Beats me. It's not out of range of prefixes applied to

[USMA:46225] OT: Citroen was: Ergs???

2009-11-30 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 30 November 2009 18:19:51 John Frewen-Lord wrote: What's wrong with Citroens? The name of the car is Citroën. Citroen is Dutch for lemon. ;) I was expecting Han or Martin to say something first. Now do we have any Welsh members who can guess this sig? Pierre -- I believe in Yellow

[USMA:46210] Re: content inch pound meter gram

2009-11-29 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 28 November 2009 14:15:05 Bill Hooper wrote: On Nov 28 , at 1:49 PM, Robert H. Bushnell wrote: Conversion from inch-pound units to metric units may be used as examples in algebra. There is no good reason to teach conversion from inch-lb to metric. I disagree. If all new

[USMA:46184] Re: Trader Joe's tomatoes

2009-11-18 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 07 November 2009 20:21:30 Michael Payne wrote: I think if they are prepacked, and not weighed at point of sale, they have to list both customary and metric units. True, but I still don't know how to compare 551 ml of tomatoes, including interstices, with 454 g of tomatoes. I went

[USMA:46185] Re: NIST Metric Information and Conversions: A Capsule History - Everyday Living

2009-11-18 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 18 November 2009 22:11:48 Remek Kocz wrote: Exactly, if you want to market the metric system, you have to show its simplicity. KISS-Keep It Simple Stupid is the rule. There are only 8 units that one would need to learn for daily life: 4 units of length (km, m, cm, mm), 2 units

[USMA:46169] RE: Rubbermaid gets it wrong --- and makes the case for metric

2009-11-14 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 14 November 2009 13:18:07 br...@bjwhite.net wrote: You know?  That might be why my biscuits tasted pretty nasty.  I thought ML stood for coulombs.  Silly me.  ;) Not ML, but PT and C! When I see c. in a recipe I'm not sure if it's supposed to stand for cup or cuillerée/cucharada

[USMA:46166] RE: Rubbermaid gets it wrong --- and makes the case for metric

2009-11-13 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 09 November 2009 10:42:17 br...@bjwhite.net wrote: I wouldn't have minded the ML markings.   Seriously, one cannot always assume that the typeface is not in all CAPITAL letters.   Let's not freak out every time we see ML.    You need both cases to make the case for metric ;) If a

[USMA:46118] Trader Joe's tomatoes

2009-11-05 Thread Pierre Abbat
Today I went to Trader Joe's and got some tomatoes, bananas, and other stuff. I saw four kinds of tomatoes on a shelf in three different kinds of packages. Two of them were labeled 454 g (though they're usually closer to 500), one was labeled 1 dry pint, and I don't remember about the Romas.

[USMA:46063] size of flat panel monitors

2009-10-24 Thread Pierre Abbat
I'm trying to fix a hosed X server on a laptop running DragonFly BSD, of which I inadvertently upgraded to the development version a few weeks ago. In the Xorg log file, I found this line: II) RADEON(0): Setting screen physical size to 270 x 203 I measured the screen and it's actually 288×216.

[USMA:46017] gallons of soda

2009-10-14 Thread Pierre Abbat
NPR's Morning Edition just aired a story about obesity, read the fluid ounce figure from a liter bottle, and stated a statistic about the consumption of soda in gallons. Since soda has been sold in two-liter bottles for almost as long as I can remember, how can they expect Americans, even

[USMA:45987] Re: FIFA Football Fields

2009-10-09 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 09 October 2009 12:31:17 carlet...@comcast.net wrote: Metricating US football would weaken the offense, particularly the rush, and strengthen the defense - the offensive team would have to go about 10% farther to get first down .  However, since teams have both an offense and

[USMA:45964] Re: teaching customary units

2009-10-08 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Thursday 08 October 2009 02:19:14 Pat Naughtin wrote: Which yard do you mean? Are you talking about the 1859 metric-defined international yard, the 1893 metric-defined yard, (the statute yard or the survey yard of the USA), the interim yard between 1834 and 1855 based on the length of a

[USMA:45959] Re: teaching customary units

2009-10-07 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 07 October 2009 13:55:41 John M. Steele wrote: How about in English and/or history classes? No need for English units in English classes ;) History, yes. Besides battles and dates and all that rot, there are historical events such as the division of public lands, the Treaty of

[USMA:45910] Re: Giga Annum

2009-09-27 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 27 September 2009 00:37:27 Michael Payne wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyoming_craton First time I've seen the use of SI prefixes for years. I think Ga means Giga Annum. I've seen both a and y for year. Both have problems: Gy is gray and Pa is pascal. I don't know of anyone

[USMA:45889] Re: History of Units

2009-09-23 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 23 September 2009 16:58:12 Pat Naughtin wrote: Thanks Pierre, I had considered the ovens I have seen in the USA with only numbers but rejected them because they had no old measuring words. I will find a way to include them because I know that they are used. The numbers from 1

[USMA:45879] Re: History of Units

2009-09-22 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 22 September 2009 12:44:10 Teran McKinney wrote: Actually, today at a bakery I was shocked to hear the cashier (who I think was also a baker) tell me that the regular loaves were a couple hundred grams lighter than the extra-large loaves. This is in North Carolina, United States.

[USMA:45839] Re: Fuel efficiency – joules per metre

2009-09-18 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 18 September 2009 20:15:09 lps wrote: My bicycle expends an average of 20 kJ/km or 0.02 J/m (best for comparison with cars) or (Help me here) 20 mJ/m (yes miliJoules) Those figures don't match. 1 kJ/km=1 J/m. 20 A·h=72 kC, so at 36 V it holds 2592 kJ. Pierre

[USMA:45774] BackTpack

2009-09-08 Thread Pierre Abbat
BackTpack is a carrying device with one bag on each side, instead of one on the back. A few years ago I bought one, asking which size I should get for my 1.51 m height. That one being worn out, I'm buying another one. The sizes are still indicated only in feet and inches, so I sent a

[USMA:45722] Re: Mandatory metrication

2009-08-30 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 30 August 2009 05:59:46 John M. Steele wrote: And who scuttled the teaching?  My two older children (now 36 and 40) BOTH learned metric-only in elementary school (in two different school systems because we moved).  My youngest child (30) learned a mixture and was pretty confused by

[USMA:45716] Re: Mandatory metrication

2009-08-29 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 29 August 2009 20:31:59 Pat Naughtin wrote: * Why was metrication in Australia so successful – and so quick? * Why is metrication in the USA apparently so unsuccessful – and so slow? Not having experienced metrication anywhere but the USA, I can only say why it's been

[USMA:45680] Re: height and weight at the doctor's office

2009-08-19 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 19 August 2009 08:29:35 Stephen Davis wrote: I'm 99% certain that, here in the UK, all measurements, including birth weights, are done in metric. I am fairly sure that birth weights are converted to imperial (for whatever reason!!) for the parents benefit. The media tends to

[USMA:45674] height and weight at the doctor's office

2009-08-18 Thread Pierre Abbat
I went to the memphispractor on Friday and was handed a stack of forms to fill. The form had a space for height, labeled ft in, and one for weight, labeled lbs. I scribbled the units out and filled both blanks in metric. Is there any progress toward having doctors ask for these in metric?

[USMA:45656] RE: Erm.....you may have noticed....

2009-08-16 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 16 August 2009 16:00:19 Bill Potts wrote: I suggest you look more closely at Remek's message. He was responding to Simon Meng. I don't know about Euric and the preceding, but it's pretty obvious that Simon Meng is not Jeremiah. Jeremiah posted almost entirely on weekends. Pierre

[USMA:45623] Re: Maths (or should that be math?)

2009-08-14 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 14 August 2009 08:38:33 John M. Steele wrote: Yes. Computers, calculators, etc only use decimal. In the real world, you almost never have the nice clean coefficients where fractions really work. Computers use binary, in which 0.1 cannot be represented exactly. They can be

[USMA:45649] Re: Converting the USA to metric

2009-08-14 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 14 August 2009 20:42:49 John M. Steele wrote: I hope that will be the case, but the proposed amendment to the FPLA has had little change or progress since 2002 and been in complete statis since 2007 or so due to FMI. Who can we talk to to counter the FMI opposition? Who is holding

[USMA:45648] Re: OK Simon.....try this.

2009-08-14 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 14 August 2009 16:21:18 Pierre Abbat wrote: Schools should teach metric first, and delay old units until the children have shown that they can multiply three-to-eight-digit numbers correctly by hand I wrote that while trying to hurry up for an errand. A better explanation: Students

[USMA:45598] Re: Understating the tooth by six orders of magnitude

2009-08-12 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 12 August 2009 22:48:06 simon_m...@live.com wrote: This is one good reason to get rid of the ton. You have no way of knowing which is intended. I can see why the ton used in the US is called a short ton. It is because you always get short changed. I can imagine a business

[USMA:45585] Understating the tooth by six orders of magnitude

2009-08-11 Thread Pierre Abbat
http://www.naturalnews.com/026822_mercury_the_FDA_mercury_fillings.html According to Consumers for Dental Choice, dentists purchase nearly 40 tons of mercury each year. That's over 35 million micrograms of mercury being put into the bodies of humans and, ultimately, the environment. It is

[USMA:45577] Re: corrupted metric data

2009-08-10 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 10 August 2009 12:34:52 Simon_Meng wrote: So how did 120 km/h become 119 km/h in the article? It seems Anne Huang, author of the article must have converted the 120 km to 74.56 miles, rounded it to 74 miles and the reconverted it back and rounded it to 119 km. There are two ways

[USMA:45544] Re: Metric Style Question

2009-08-07 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 07 August 2009 15:02:05 James R. Frysinger wrote: Jim, John Steele gave a good answer. English tends towards simplification of writing style over time. There was a time that cooperative required (!) an unlaut over the second o to show that a diphthong (oo) was not intended. I

[USMA:45504] Re: US is metric!

2009-08-05 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 06:15:21 John Frewen-Lord wrote: This I stumbled upon recently. A letter from the US ITC to a resident of NH. See http://www.faqs.org/rulings/rulings2008NYN028158.html All metric ( and correct SI at that). AH isn't; it should be spelled A·h, and the hour isn't

[USMA:45427] Re: Speed in metres per second

2009-07-18 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 17 July 2009 16:20:33 Michael Payne wrote: Russia, the Stans, Mongolia and China use km/h for aircraft speed and m/s for wind speed. I actually find it easier to imagine wind speed in m/s, you can picture something blowing by. Me too, but it adds an extra calculation step when the

[USMA:45410] Re: Brevity

2009-07-17 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 17 July 2009 07:00:14 John M. Steele wrote: Ah, yes.  Good old American stupidity and International wisdom.  Someone really should have told the Portuguese. In Portuguese, a g is hard if followed by a, o, or u, and soft if followed by i, or e.  The letter c follows similar rules

[USMA:45375] Re: Speed in metres per second

2009-07-15 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 14 July 2009 20:47:55 Pat Naughtin wrote: I wonder if we will ever be ready to embrace the idea of using the SI unit, metres per second, for speed in everyday conversations. Let's take the example given above with sensible rounding. The speed limit on a highway might then become

[USMA:45384] Re: Speed in metres per second

2009-07-15 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 15 July 2009 09:29:59 John M. Steele wrote: Engineers need to know they need pure base units for calculation, but they already know this.  In everyday life, few people do such calculations.  Mostly, they want an estimate of how long it will take to get somewhere.  While they

[USMA:45346] Re: Vacuum display

2009-07-11 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 11 July 2009 21:35:10 Bill Hooper wrote: The situation is identical to the situation of measuring the height of mountains and other terrain RELATIVE TO sea level. Surely it can be positive or negative depending on whether it is above or below sea level. An absolute measure of such

[USMA:45338] RE: idea for flyers

2009-07-10 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 10 July 2009 03:08:19 Martin Vlietstra wrote: Pierre, A good idea, but fliers are for small-time, short term advertising. You would probably do much better by making use of any Spanish language newspapers that circulate in the area. You can either write letters, or if possible,

[USMA:45325] Re: Yellow Jacket

2009-07-09 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 08 July 2009 16:58:27 Michael Payne wrote: http://www.yellowjacket.com/images/A_Maniflds/Brute-II-C-hose.jpg Yellow Jacket is a company that makes equipment for servicing Air Conditioning equipment, both Home and Auto. The A/C guy was around my house and I noticed the guage had

[USMA:45336] idea for flyers

2009-07-09 Thread Pierre Abbat
Charlotte has a growing number of Latino immigrants. I'm thinking of passing out flyers like this: ¿Viniendo a este país, estaba perplejo por estrañas unidades, tales como pies, libras, y millas? ¿Desea que sus niños crezcan a ser buenos en ciencias y matemáticas? Unase a la U.S. Metric

[USMA:45310] RE: Independence Day

2009-07-04 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 04 July 2009 21:44:11 Pat Naughtin wrote: By the way, is Independence Day also called 'Flag Day'? I heard a very funny radio monologue recently about Flag Day in Lake Wobegon where Garrison Keillor described a Flag Day where the whole town wore red, white or blue caps to form into

[USMA:45304] Re: Interesting article about metrication politics in the USA

2009-07-03 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Thursday 02 July 2009 20:03:24 Pat Naughtin wrote: Dear All, You might find this article about metrication politics in the USA – and the responses to it – interesting. http://sobeale.blogspot.com/2009/07/your-modern-gop.html One of Feehery's clients was Ford Motor Co. GM metricated in

[USMA:45295] Re: wrench sizes

2009-06-29 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 29 June 2009 13:03:23 John M. Steele wrote: I jokingly refer to it as my bilingual wrench. You mean it speaks both Wrench and Spannish? Pierre

[USMA:45194] Re: A mile is a metric?

2009-06-04 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Thursday 04 June 2009 07:10:40 John M. Steele wrote: Unfortunately, the key performance indicator definition is widely used in business. As a minimum, they need a disambiguation page that leads to that usage or the SI with some clarity. [[Metric]] is already a disambig. I put a see line

[USMA:45182] Nonstandard units in elementary curriculum

2009-06-03 Thread Pierre Abbat
I've been reading kindergarten and elementary math curricula, and one theme that comes up (besides trying to teach inches and centimeters at the same time) is nonstandard units. Why do they do this? When I was little, I used my hand in an L to estimate a decimeter. It is now 140 mm. My step is

[USMA:45185] Re: Nonstandard units in elementary curriculum

2009-06-03 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 03 June 2009 10:42:47 Patrick Moore wrote: Children's math and science books should be written by mathematicians and scientists. I am not sure how to contrive that. Preferably mathematicians with children. If anyone helps me find a wife, I should write a mathbook in a few years

[USMA:45123] Re: News : ADOT defends replacing metric signs along I-19 : Nogales International : Nogales, AZ

2009-05-29 Thread Pierre Abbat
Two sections of the Arizona Revised Code ��“ ARS 28-363c and ARS 28-3046 ��“ prevent ADOT from building or designing anything metric unless the entire country is converting to that system. In our system of government, each state is sovereign. The Congress has power to define the measuring

[USMA:45139] Re: News : ADOT defends replacing metric signs along I-19 : Nogales International : Nogales, AZ

2009-05-29 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 29 May 2009 19:22:59 John M. Steele wrote: Preferred and 50 cents might buy you coffee.   You need words like these and no other or one is legal, the other is illegal to mean anything. I think you misunderstood me. My point is not that the federal government ought to abolish

[USMA:45046] Re: Metric Cartoon

2009-05-09 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 09 May 2009 17:37:35 James R. Frysinger wrote: The attached 2009 May 08 strip of The Born Loser contains a mildly amusing metric joke. This strip is by Chip Sansom and I downloaded it from http://comics.com/the_born_loser/ I did not see a copyright notice on this but fairness at

[USMA:44881] Re: Fw: Re: RE: Metric Act of 1866, was IEEE/ASTM SI-10

2009-04-27 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 26 April 2009 22:35:41 Jeremiah MacGregor wrote: I wonder if the original meaning of the word tonneau derived from the words tonne-eau which would mean a tonne of water, as the word eau in French means water and a tonneau was a cask or container that held a tonne of water I doubt

[USMA:44872] Re: IEEE/ASTM SI-10 -- now off topic

2009-04-26 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 25 April 2009 19:18:53 Pat Naughtin wrote: They sent a sewer down to stitch the tear in the sewer line. As we've been designing storm drains in subdivision class, I asked the prof: These three excellent sewers never need new needles. These three excellent sewers never need new

[USMA:44826] Re: Horse deaths in Florida

2009-04-24 Thread Pierre Abbat
GovernmentShrinker wrote: To: CindyDawg It’s a routine supplement — B12, selenium, potassium, and magnesium — all stuff that any 10 year old can buy off the supplement shelf at any drugstore. Math matters. Most substances can kill in large enough quantities, even water. I suspect the

[USMA:44759] Re: online food seller

2009-04-19 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 18 April 2009 23:58:29 Jeremiah MacGregor wrote: In as much as it seems like you are making a noble gesture for metrication, just blindly writing to a company can be the wrong thing to do.  You never know who will be answering your request.  The person answering your request may

[USMA:44774] Re: online food seller

2009-04-19 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 19 April 2009 16:35:11 John M. Steele wrote: Pierre,   Since they sell a lot of meat, many of their products are likely exempt from FPLA.  Meat is regulated by USDA. However, on their cheese, butter, organic snacks and other products, I think they should be subject to FPLA, and

[USMA:44779] Re: online food seller

2009-04-19 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 19 April 2009 19:02:52 John M. Steele wrote: Of course, $17 for 2 L of flavored, sugared water is highway robbery too.  Overall, their prices seem a tad high.  Perhaps the prices are justified for organic meat, but I am extremely dubious about the water. I wouldn't buy the water

[USMA:44751] online food seller

2009-04-18 Thread Pierre Abbat
I wrote to an online food seller asking them to include package sizes in kilograms on the website. I got the following reply: We have no interest in confusing folks with a mix of metric and English pounds. Should the FPLA be amended to apply to online food sellers? Or does a different law

[USMA:44727] Re: planimeter

2009-04-17 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 17 April 2009 22:10:41 Jeremiah MacGregor wrote: What was his response to you setting in centimeters and getting a simpler result then his choice of inches? Don't remember. What is this prof a professor of; what discipline? Surveying. Pierre

[USMA:44699] Re: Cooking using Cups

2009-04-16 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Thursday 16 April 2009 09:35:05 Michael Payne wrote: http://www.lemis.com/grog/recipes/measures.php Interesting take on the various size of cups around the world as well as some units from Colonial Malaysia. That page has a link to

[USMA:44689] planimeter

2009-04-15 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday the prof brought a planimeter to class. (A planimeter is a device which, when moved along a closed curve, displays its signed area.) It has a switch for square inches or square centimeters. I pulled out a sheet of graph paper on which he marked a 25 mm square. He set it to square

[USMA:44496] Re: FPLA 2010

2009-04-09 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Thursday 09 April 2009 20:43:20 mech...@illinois.edu wrote: Attached is the third draft of FPLA 2010. It includes suggestions by Armstrong, Hooper, Jakuba, and Steele. Typos: to harmonization, prohnibition. §3a: mismatched parentheses. §4a: distribute or cause to be what? Pierre

[USMA:44483] Re: FPLA 2010

2009-04-08 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 08 April 2009 08:32:21 STANLEY DOORE wrote: I disagree with the NIST in the case of kL because L is used widely and well known in the public sector. Are you suggesting that mm^3 be used instead of L? Stan Doore I too disagree with the NIST. A liter is a cubic decimeter, a

[USMA:44464] Re: Strange SI units

2009-04-07 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 07 April 2009 15:46:09 ezra.steinb...@comcast.net wrote: Just came across this article: http://ptonline.aip.org/journals/doc/PHTOAD-ft/vol_62/iss_4/25_1.shtml but was flummoxed by this part: $30/kA·m What the heck is kA·m and why do they use it? I guess from the context that

[USMA:44443] Re: FPLA 2010

2009-04-06 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 03 April 2009 13:26:01 mech...@illinois.edu wrote: Attached is a draft of FPLA 2010 by Eugene A. Mechtly: I think that, for foods for which the mass of a bushel has been defined, either selling by volume should be abolished, or the mass should be indicated as a supplementary on

[USMA:44376] RE: Reasoable Language (was Metrication US)

2009-04-05 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 05 April 2009 05:54:11 Han Maenen wrote: I agree with Bll Potts. Leave expressions like 'inch by inch' or 'not an inch' alone. Those opposed to metric would love it if we wanted to change such things. In the Netherlands a folding measuring stick is called a 'duimstok', which is

[USMA:44286] RE: Energy and power units

2009-04-03 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 03 April 2009 01:58:48 John Frewen-Lord wrote: Regarding the loss of efficiency in the UK during transmission of electricity. A couple of years ago I was doing some work for National Grid, which is currently upgrading its 1960s era power transmission system (primarily refurbishing

[USMA:44297] Re: 501 (c)(3) status

2009-04-03 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 03 April 2009 13:42:30 James R. Frysinger wrote: Apparently there is a difference in the definitions of lobbying between the tax law and the Lobbying Disclosure Act of 1995 (LDA). See http://www.asaecenter.org/PublicationsResources/whitepaperdetail.cfm?ItemNu mber=12202 It looks

[USMA:44278] RE: Rainfall computation and Manning's equation

2009-04-01 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 31 March 2009 13:56:27 Martin Vlietstra wrote: What was your prof's reaction? I emailed him the sample problem worked both ways and wrote the equation out converting all units to something coherent, then cancelling factors. That didn't convince him. Then, after class, I wrote the

[USMA:44253] Rainfall computation and Manning's equation

2009-03-31 Thread Pierre Abbat
Yesterday I talked with one of my profs about some hydrology equations. Q=ciA is used to calculate runoff; i is rainfall intensity, A is area, c is the runoff coefficient, and Q is the resulting water flow. He said that they have to be in these units or it doesn't work: Q is in cubic feet per

[USMA:44261] RE: Rainfall computation and Manning's equation

2009-03-31 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 31 March 2009 13:56:27 Martin Vlietstra wrote: What was your prof's reaction? None yet. BTW, if you use any set of coherent units, c will be unity. For example, if you work in cubits and hours, measure your rainfall in cubits per hour, measure your land is square cubits and your

[USMA:44180] Re: The speed of light

2009-03-29 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 29 March 2009 00:09:09 Jeremiah MacGregor wrote: I think you would have been more effective if you had interrupted him during his sermon and gave him the correct value. This way the whole congregation would have heard you as well. He talks fast, and I can't interrupt him. I can't

[USMA:44186] Megameter was: The speed of light

2009-03-29 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 29 March 2009 09:04:03 Teran McKinney wrote: I like to think of the speed of light relative to the total distance travelled in your car. 300Mm~ isn't too uncomon to see on some odometers. If after driving a car for 15 years you hit 300Mm, you've travelled the distance that light

[USMA:44173] The speed of light

2009-03-28 Thread Pierre Abbat
The pastor today preached a sermon in which, to give some idea how big the universe is, he gave the distance to various stars and galaxies in light-years and explained what a light-year is. He gave the speed of light in miles per second. I corrected him afterward, saying that the speed of

[USMA:44095] Re: radians

2009-03-24 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 24 March 2009 02:24:53 Pat Naughtin wrote: You may recall that I have worried about this issue in the past. It appals me that the SI does not have a unit for angles that can be conveniently used for designing and constructing buildings. There are probably more angle measures done

[USMA:44087] Re: radians

2009-03-23 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 23 March 2009 18:59:03 James R. Frysinger wrote: I don't think that radians are going to go away in either of our lifetimes. It's one of the derived units that physicists and many engineers are fond of. Mathematicians too. All trigonometric functions are naturally defined with the

[USMA:44063] Re: [SI] SI 10 question

2009-03-22 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 22 March 2009 11:53:30 Stan Jakuba wrote: There are three kinds of frequencies, and correspondingly three different units: -- Angular Frequency, commonly called angular velocity. Its unit is rad/s. -- Cycle Frequency. It is defined as the number of periodic events (cycles) per

[USMA:43992] Re: postage in grams

2009-03-18 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 18 March 2009 16:35:31 Robert H. Bushnell wrote: 2009 March 18 On 2009 March 13 I asked the US Postal Service: Where can I find postage rates in grams? When will postage rates be in grams? Can any of you tell me how to proceed?

[USMA:43873] Re: Metric personal data was Re: 24 hour time

2009-03-15 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 14 March 2009 21:52:09 Victor Jockin wrote: My opinion: it's better to make a measured pitch for limited change through carefully chosen channels than to simply ask the President where he stands. I'd wince if he were asked about metrication in a press conference, because he

[USMA:43846] Re: New EO and FPLA

2009-03-14 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 14 March 2009 11:36:11 mech...@illinois.edu wrote: John, More recently than the Act of 1866 legalizing metric units is PL 100-418 (designating SI as preferred for US trade and commerce...), also an Act of Congress. I believe that President Obama will eventually express support,

[USMA:43847] Re: Density

2009-03-14 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 14 March 2009 11:47:44 Jeremiah MacGregor wrote: They why not just say that blood is more massive then water. Because that's meaningless. A quantity of blood may be more or less massive than a quantity of water. Blood is denser than water, but to say that it's more massive doesn't

[USMA:43710] Re: Proverbs

2009-03-12 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Thursday 12 March 2009 06:34:03 Pat Naughtin wrote: A chain is no stronger than its weakest 7.92 inches. Three pokes with a prism pole for that! Give him a millimetre and he'll take a kilometre. Give him a gram and he'll take a tonne. Share the rod, pole, and perch and spoil the kid,

[USMA:43675] Re: Arizona I-19 losing kilometer signs

2009-03-11 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 07 March 2009 09:45:59 John M. Steele wrote: This article http://www.gvnews.com/articles/2009/03/06/breaking_news/00mileposts0308.txt reports that Arizona Dept. of Transportation will spend $1.5 million of its Federal economic stimulus money to remove the metric distance signs

[USMA:43676] Re: Metric personal data

2009-03-11 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 11 March 2009 08:46:12 John M. Steele wrote: I am NOT suggesting humans are salable. However, if we look at the largest whole unit rule in FPLA and UPLR, it would require adult heights to be given in meters, in the form x.xx m. Children 1 m would have height in cm or mm. As

[USMA:43639] Re: 24 hour time

2009-03-10 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 10 March 2009 12:33:06 Bill Hooper wrote: I also agree with John Steele that, until there is some uniformity in   usage is obtained, substiting a three character alphabetic designation   for the month is desirable (even if not really standard). That, plus   insistence on using all

[USMA:43663] Re: Metric personal data was Re: 24 hour time

2009-03-10 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 10 March 2009 17:02:03 John M. Steele wrote: Interesting. Has anyone ever insisted on giving metric height on either a US Passport application or a state driver's license? If so, how did it go? I wrote my height in metric (it was 1.47 m back then) when I got my first passport,

[USMA:43664] Re: 24 hour time

2009-03-10 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 10 March 2009 16:41:48 Martin Vlietstra wrote: Pierre, why do you not regard the week number as the business week number and regard it as an arrangement by which Christian, Muslin, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, non-believer etc can exchange information for business purposes and be sure

[USMA:43359] Re: Metric NWS forecasts

2009-03-06 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 03 March 2009 14:55:31 James Frysinger wrote: The elevation of the indicated forecast area on the map shown on the page I referred to, and as pointing to my Middle Tennessee location, shows elevations in feet. The webmaster has told me that the overseers of the page will correct

[USMA:43344] Re: Metric NWS forecasts

2009-03-03 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 03 March 2009 09:29:10 James Frysinger wrote: You might start with your local National Weather Service Forecast Office. Third party websites should be approached separately. I am not familiar with any weather -f command. I ran Wireshark while running weather -f (-f means forecast;

[USMA:43347] Re: Metric NWS forecasts

2009-03-03 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 03 March 2009 14:55:31 James Frysinger wrote: The elevation of the indicated forecast area on the map shown on the page I referred to, and as pointing to my Middle Tennessee location, shows elevations in feet. When I entered my location, it shows 656 feet when temperatures are in

[USMA:43348] Contacted an FMI member

2009-03-03 Thread Pierre Abbat
A few days ago, I contacted Trader Joe's about a store brand package of grape tomatoes. It's labeled 454 g, but actually contained more than 500 g, and I suggested that if it consistently contains more than 500 g it should be labeled so. I haven't heard back yet. Pierre

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