test, ignoreattachment
measured in grams. Yet, if you ask average Joe
What percentage of this 5.3 oz cup of yogurt is 12 g of protein? he would not
have a clue.
Ask, however, What percentage of this 150 g cup of yogurt is 12 g of protein?
he might figure it out.
Jim
From: Jim Elwell
Einstein, Newton and Pascal are hanging out one afternoon. Einstein is bored,
so he suggests, Let's play hide-and-seek. I'll be it!
The others agree, so Einstein begins counting. One . . . Two . . . Three . . .
Pascal runs off right away to find a place to hide. However, Newton merely
takes
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of the content of the book, with no opinion of the book
offered. There are no reviews of it on Amazon as of this morning.
Is anyone on this list familiar with it. Any opinions of it?
Jim Elwell
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publications; and
(4) to permit the continued use of traditional systems of weights and measures
in non-business activities.
--- On Sun, 9/25/11, Jim Elwell jim.elw...@beijerelectronicsinc.com wrote:
From: Jim Elwell jim.elw...@beijerelectronicsinc.com
Subject: [USMA:51151] Re: Federal
a point or two to the bottom
line, and it certainly was one of the many feel good factors that gave Beijer
a comfort level that QSI was a company they wanted to buy.
Jim
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From: Michael Payne metricmik...@gmail.com
To: jim elwell jim.elw
had
a few more years left. -- Thomas Edison♽☯♑
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Ignore -- just testing my change of email addresses.
Jim
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contracts would rapidly
metricate if they had to in order to sell to the Federal government.
A petition along those lines is one I could support.
Jim Elwell
- Original Message -
From: Michael Payne metricmik...@gmail.com
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
Sent: Saturday
size 600 mL? I'm
just looking for an example of what you mean.
Thanks,
Paul
Paul Trusten, Reg. Pharmacist
Vice President
U.S. Metric Association, Inc.
Midland, Texas USA
www.metric.org
+1(432)528-7724
trus...@grandecom.net
On Sep 25, 2011, at 12:42, Jim Elwell jim.elw
I haven't been reading everything that goes by on this list, so my apologies if
this has been posted:
Fate of the Kilogram
Jim
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of the screen is to
give its area. So here is my conundrum: would it be better to express this
size in square metres, square millimetres or square metres? What do others
think?
Michael Glass
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Hi folks:
Although I've been absent from the forum for quite a while, I thought I'd pop
in to post this link to a metric cartoon. Apologies if it has already been
posted.
http://comics.com/bc/2010-03-29/
Jim
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into a 180-mm industrial panel-mount unit
I thought I was quite familiar with metric style, but I am not sure about this
one. Can anyone shed some light on it?
Thanks!
Jim
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To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 3:41 PM
Subject: [USMA:40772] Re: BMI, Metric at Costco
--- Jim Elwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The question is whether companies with employees and leadership not
particularly
friendly toward
of colloquial units disappears, but it is
happening. I also think it is a tipping point type of event -- once we reach
critical mass a lot more metrication will happen a lot faster.
When will that be? No one knows, but we get closer every day.
Jim Elwell
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Elwell
Sent: Sunday, 2008 April 13 10:44
To: U.S. Metric Association
Subject: [USMA:40764] Re: BMI, Metric at Costco
Jesse:
Let's just say I am not nearly as pessimistic as you are about stealth
metrication giving any ammo to the anti-metricationists, nor
(edited for length)
--- Jim Elwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let's just say I am not nearly as pessimistic as you are about stealth
metrication giving any
ammo to the anti-metricationists, nor do I give so-called leadership much
credence on this
issue. Americans, for better or worse
! No colloquial units
anywhere. I remain convinced that the USA is slowly undergoing a stealth
metrication. Slow but sure.
Jim Elwell
==
SImplification Begins With SI.
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Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 2:10:12 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver
Subject: [USMA:39488] Re: Metric beer glass
Gotta leave 100 mL for the head? That'd be my guess
At 09:52 2007-09-30, Jim Elwell wrote:
Picked up the glass in the picture in Gunnison, Colorado. New
Belgium makes Fat Tire
like
something I would love to have.
I have bought several scales from SaveOnScales, and had equally positive
experience with them as Jim had with RightOnScales.
Jim Elwell
- Original Message -
From: James Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
I guess this is just for fun; seems to me someone has too much time on their
hands:
http://www.weirdconverter.com/
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. Every year the country becomes more metric,
and in time our old colloquial units will dissappear. It won't be as fast as
most of us would like, but it IS happening.
Jim Elwell
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Jim Elwell
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- Original Message -
From: STANLEY DOORE [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 1:24:05 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver
Subject: [USMA:38120] Re: metric in the classroom
Schools in Montgomery County MD now are teaching and
PLEASE IGNORE
I have a new email address, so I'm testing to see if USMA is accepting it
before sending a post.
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Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
www.qsicorp.com
Everything is in metric, including torque (Nm), speeds (km/h), engine
outputs (kW). The brochure is written in (American) English.
Jim
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
www.qsicorp.com
/sheetrock/flooring etc in SI. And my dad's a carpenter so I've
been around a lot of that sort of stuff :).
Maybe I'm just missing it.
On 8/3/06, Jim Elwell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
At 03 08 2006, 03:46 PM, Nat Hager wrote:
...Secondly I don't think SI mandates everything be in multiples
of
1
, if I recall correctly).
I guess I should have said interesting retro-attitude in this
article, rather than interesting article.
Jim
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
www.qsicorp.com
FPLA violations, but
where a label is not fraudulent, I certainly think we should spend
our efforts elsewhere.
Jim
P.S. Blame Stan for me being ornery -- he pointed out my error in a
prior thread!
Jim Elwell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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www.qsicorp.com
At 31 03 06, 08:59 PM, Bill Hooper wrote:
On 2006 Mar 31 , at 5:03 PM, Jim
Elwell wrote:
Another way of saying this is that Table 3 of BIPM's SI
document (Derived Units with Special Names) should be expanded with
reasonable expediency, to help control the proliferation of such
names.
Jim's
At 1 04 06, 10:21 AM, Bill Hooper wrote:
On 2006 Apr 1 , at 10:22 AM, Jim Elwell wrote:
... Table 3 of BIPM's SI document (Derived Units with Special Names)
Witness: klick for kilometer, nit for candela per square meter.
Perhaps my citing Table 3 was confusing, but that is where most
short
point of view! I think I'll adopt it
and drop this entire subject.
Jim
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
www.qsicorp.com
standards, and will
merrily go on using quarter meter and half liter.
And, one eight meter has 4 syllables, while two hundred fifty
millimeters has 9 syllables.
Jim
Jim Elwell
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www.qsicorp.com
it. Just hoping it won't
happen is fruitless.
Jim
Jim Elwell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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www.qsicorp.com
, or (b) something political was going on.
Jim
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
www.qsicorp.com
dimensions in inches. Various other specs are given in either metric
or imperial, apparently at random.
Although I think the following spec contains a typo:
Operating altitude To 3.048 meters (10,000 feet)
At just over 3 metres it would be unusable in any building upstairs!
David King
Jim Elwell
giving you 10 Mbytes or so, you might consider a free
Yahoo or Gmail account.
Jim
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
www.qsicorp.com
it
makes me wonder if we'll ever get this law passed :).
Mike
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
www.qsicorp.com
.
Using your in-box for
bulk storage is like using the mailbox out at the curb as your family
filing cabinet.
Carleton
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jim Elwell
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 17:37
To: U.S. Metric Association
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [USMA
for navigation. Seems odd to me.
Perhaps someone can explain the Gross Tonnage specification: metric
unit is tons, colloquial unit is cubic yards. I cannot figure that one out.
Couple more scans from this trip to follow.
Jim
Jim Elwell
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the USMA logo without permission.
Jim
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attachment: sugar2a.jpg
.
Congrats to your daughter!
Would that be used or new coffee grounds? How much should be added to the soil?
Jim
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
www.qsicorp.com
, but perhaps there are
some links that would be appropriate.
Jim
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
www.qsicorp.com
Thanks, Stan!
At 11 01 06, 11:42 AM, Stan Jakuba wrote:
Attached, please
find the rules for writing that were to go along with the
Autocorrect ... procedure. Per Jim's request, the treatise is
in PDF.
Stan Jakuba
- Original Message -
From: Jim Elwell
To: U.S. Metric
Association
the standards as they see fit.
Jim
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
www.qsicorp.com
things like combine PDF pages
from different programs (e.g., Word, Excel and AutoCAD pages in one PDF),
add annotations, make forms users can fill out with Acrobat Reader,
etc.
Jim
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PE short.pdf
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At 23 12 05, 02:01 AM, Stephen Humphreys wrote:
Being the last day at work - and probably the last time I'll read the forum...
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year (metric *or* imperial) to all
the members of this list and their friends and families (kept it
'on-topic' there, you might have
One of my employees brought in the attached flyer today, from a
neighbor Scout working on an Eagle project. No request for inch-based rulers!
We are supplying the rulers, although I feel ours is a bit technical
for schoolkids.
Jim
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial
. For example,
our $80k software allows part descriptions to be only 40 ASCII
characters long -- entirely inadequate. We've complained for years,
there have been numerous new releases, but this hasn't changed. So I
don't have much hope for Unicode being introduced.
Jim
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Not much here, but I said I would attach this to my prior email.
Jim Elwell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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www.qsicorp.com
caps.gif
Description: GIF image
provider of
diagnostic testing services, performing laboratory tests for more
than 500,000 patients each day.
Jim
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
www.qsicorp.com
At 19 11 05, 04:10 PM, Remek Kocz wrote:
In all likelihood, we're probably both correct--you're probably
looking at sources completely different from mine.
I'm sure you are right about this.
Now when it comes to fixing drinks, yes, volume ounces
predominate. But I don't exactly call that
trim, but it will probably be printed four-up
(four copies on one sheet) on a 22x26 piece of paper then trimmed
to size.
I certainly believe the commercial printing industry will metricate, but
it is moving slower than other industries.
Jim
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing
at best.
Jim Elwell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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www.qsicorp.com
At 17 11 05, 09:05 PM, Remek Kocz wrote:
Printing industry slowly metricating? I thought this is one
industry outside of aircraft and construction that would be
impossible to even budge from the USC units. Can you give any
specific examples?
Several small examples (I said slowly!):
Reams
is commonly found in the firearms industry and literature,
particularly that concerning high-powered rifles. It is popular
because 1 MOA almost exactly subtends one inch at 100 yards, a
traditional distance on target ranges.
Jim Elwell
You will note that the thermostat the woman is holding is in Celsius!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4420820.stm
Jim
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
www.qsicorp.com
distributed throughout the city in a way unrelated to
school locations.
Clearly the article was written using metric distances.
Jim Elwell
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
www.qsicorp.com
At 4 October 2005, 09:29 PM, Pat Naughtin wrote:
The words 'legal unit of
measurement' are very carefully defined in the Australian 'National
Measurement Regulations 1999' subtitled 'Statutory Rules 1999 NO.
110'
Of the units listed in these regulations there are:
7 SI base units of measurement
the legislative majority to do so,
could not simply mandate the whole country and economy metricate. It
would be thrown out by the courts.
Jim Elwell
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
www.qsicorp.com
a few words, I said sounds ok.
Turns out that I didn't have a clue what the legal impact of those
few words was, and now we are trying to fix a real problem.
Jim
Jim Elwell
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www.qsicorp.com
the
commerce clause (used to justify all kinds of things unrelated to commerce).
Of course, even if workable, there still is the minor problem of
getting the federal government to pass such a law.
Jim
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake City, Utah
At 4 October 2005, 12:46 PM, Phil Chernack wrote:
This discussion is obviously academic as we know the federal government will
not mandate or otherwise enforce mandatory use of metric.
I think we all know the only viable path to full metrication is to get buy
in from the very people it will
. These products are destroyed in a fire on a ship
registered in Liberia while in international water. Which law applies?
I am not pretending to know the answers, but would suggest that the
situation is more complex than any country simply declaring
non-metric units void.
Jim Elwell
for a contract
to be 'null and void' if any unit other than an 'Australian legal
unit of measurement' is used in a contract.
Does legal unit of measurement mean metric only? How do courts
avoid inevitable inequities by voiding otherwise valid contracts?
Jim Elwell
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
(?!)
It appears to me the main intent (section 2b) is to prevent the same
name from referring to different quantities.
Jim
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
www.qsicorp.com
trying to keep up. 24 (61 cm) is much more comfortable.
Given that people were smaller 100 and 200 years ago, I doubt that a
yard was ever considered to be a regular stride. I've always heard it
was the distance from the King's nose to the tips of the fingers on
his outstretched arm.
Jim Elwell
!!!
Many beverages (such as bottled water and many energy drinks) now
come in metric sizes (250 mL, 500 mL, etc.). Why not do the same
with a product named after the metric unit for temperature?
Jim Elwell
Salt Lake City, Utah
member of U.S. Metric Association
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
not taken the time to
write him, NOTHING would be changed because it would not on his radar screen.
Jim Elwell
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
www.qsicorp.com
) and this is
not shown. Don, you might add it to the Coffee Creamer section.
Jim
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
www.qsicorp.com
At 29 October 2005, 05:26 AM, Pat Naughtin wrote (substantial edits to
keep it short):
on 2005-10-29 03.41, Jim Elwell
at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I cannot speak for the USMA, but do not think
any of the officers of
the organization are naive enough to think metrication could happen
overnight
agree to metricate).
That's what I get for not being more succinct!
Jim
Jim Elwell
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that the USA will metricate overnight. We will continue
to do so in different areas at different rates. I do believe,
however, that we are close to a tipping point here, where metrication
will greatly accelerate.
Jim
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake
.
Thank you.
Bill -- thanks a bunch for posting this. I will send out a few copies
this weekend, with some minor edits, just to change it a bit.
Other list members -- anyone else willing to jump in here?
Jim
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake City
At 22 October 2005, 07:11 PM, Pat Naughtin wrote:
(Before you go to the next
paragraph you might like to know that the button to switch [Audio off ]
is on the left hand (blue) side at the bottom.)
You might like to check out the metric converter at:
http://metrication.com where you can
try it
?
And who do you work for?
Jim Elwell
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
www.qsicorp.com
and expect to get a precision part back.
B.S. Fractions are as precise as decimals. Inches are as precise as
millimeters. Decimal millimeters may be easier to use than fractional
inches, but they are not inherently more accurate.
Jim
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing
At 21 October 2005, 10:30 PM, Pat Naughtin wrote:
To provide a link to a metric conversion page is not, in my view, a good idea.
The process of metrication is not encouraged by metric conversions;
or to be more blunt, metric conversions are a direct impediment to
metrication progress.
I
At 22 October 2005, 11:13 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote:
On Friday 21 October 2005 18:02, Jim Elwell wrote:
We are re-doing our web site, and it has been suggested that we
provide a link to a web page that does conversions.
I would prefer a site that converts TO metric only.
Can anyone recommend
are provided. This is very common any more.
(b) For a mid-range tool, positioning accuracies are around 7 micrometers.
Jim Elwell
We are re-doing our web site, and it has been suggested that we
provide a link to a web page that does conversions.
I would prefer a site that converts TO metric only.
Can anyone recommend a site?
Jim Elwell
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake
company, but I know it has
done the scale like this since long before Corel bought them.
Jim
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
www.qsicorp.com
contact us pages.
Jim
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
www.qsicorp.com
and NOT suffer
any consequences? Plus realize the benefits of having the same
package sizes all over the world.
Jim Elwell
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
www.qsicorp.com
At 13 10 05, 09:28 AM, Stephen Davis wrote:
Jim Elwell wrote:
Perhaps you should address your concerns to Daniel. Or are you
suggesting he get to spew his venom freely?
No - I'm suggesting that you (and Steven Humphreys) have made your
point now, and continually ganging up on this particular
is
made. If course
someone from the pro-imperial side will insist there is.
Dan
- Original Message -
From: Jim Elwell
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To: U.S. Metric Association
usma@colostate.edu
Sent: Monday, 2005-10-10 15:17
Subject: [USMA:34784] Tetley's Ale
Picked up a four-pack
oil under saddam but now it's
Iranian oil that's the highlight of the measurement debate - WHO CARES?
No one.
Jim
Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
www.qsicorp.com
At 12 10 05, 11:51 AM, Remek Kocz wrote:
Are these domestically manufactured cans or are they imported? It's
too bad that there is so much resistance to labelling them with the
metric contents. Alcoholic beverages are mostly sold in metric
anyways, so it's just depressing to see the beer can
At 11 10 05, 04:31 AM, John Woelflein wrote:
Has anyone else seen the mini keg for Coors Light beer?
It contains 5 L!
The 5 liter mini-keg (also called a pony keg) has been around for
decades. I used to buy them when I was in college (late 1970s), and
had my own tap for it.
However, your
has managed to convert hordes of the
vulgar people to the metric system with his superior wisdom and insight.
Well, at least in his own little mind.
Jim
P.S. Odd how he refuses to tell anyone of anything he has ever
actually done to promote metrication. I wonder why that is?
Jim Elwell
are in bold.
Jim Elwell
Mr. S:
Your email to C regarding metric directives made its way to me, as we are
both members of the US Metric Association). I am the President of an
industrial manufacturing company
(www.qsicorp.com)
which has fully metricated its
At 6 10 05, 06:14 PM, Philip S Hall wrote:
I
accept that (and your previous points). My thoughts however are about the
inhibiting factors outside their control.
You know, as I was driving home last night I realized I probably missed
your point, rather than the other way around. If I understand
television (HDTV) industrial
policy experiment has been a failure (link) by almost any standard.
Although this long and miserable history (link) is too long to recall
here, suffice it to say, the grand vision of the broadcast industry and
public policymakers has become an expensive joke.
Jim Elwell
Jim
At 6 10 05, 02:20 PM, Philip S Hall wrote:
Jim Elwell wrote (extract)
Oh, and it is a very rare
decision that is as trivial as metrication increases
the chances for survival. Any decision such as metricating a
company
has to take into account a myriad of factors, such as:
...
* which customers
. But you don't try to educate, you just try to offend.
Jim Elwell pointed out that industry is converting even if it is
hidden from public view. People who run successful businesses
have to be smart to survive and if metrication increases their
chances of survival, they do it because
and equipment, and on which only they know what the
impact of metrication will be.
If nothing else, I think it is my exposure to metrication in the
manufacturing world that makes me so absolutely positive that the USA
is metricating, and that there is no going back.
Jim
Jim Elwell, CAMS
At 21 September 2005, 01:52 AM, Philip S Hall wrote:
Jim Elwell wrote:
And, to be sure, nothing ever posted on this forum has convinced me
we need to do it quickly, since such posts never address the
costs of metricating.
Have you considered Jim, the suggestion, which I think has been
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