Equally chilling.
Jan
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 12:57 AM, Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Censorship means THE GOVERNMENT shuts down your speech. A business has no
obligation to provide an open forum, and blip is a business. Supporting
free
speech policies in video hosting services is a
I also love Blip but I I think porn and curse words are filth, so I
am calling on Blip to remove any videos that have what I consider
filth on them. And puppies, puppies are filth too
You can't have it both ways folks
Heath
http://batmangeek.com
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com,
i think its pretty exciting that they picked blip over youtube
i also lived with a mother and the consequences of how she treated me
because HER father sat in the gulag for 8 yrs because he made a joke about
stalin
so yeah, free speech and yeah, capitalism (yes, i am using hyperbole for the
sake
By all means: comment.
Here's an opportunity to improve the quality of discourse; show 'em there's
better stuff going on @ Blip than @ YouRube [sic].
Jan
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Roxanne Darling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Must. Not. Censor. Let blip gain market share and follow clever
I don't speak up much here, and have to incriminate myself as one of Quirk's
friends from the start - but have to say I almost precisely agree. (as long
as speaker's corner exists in the UK, I can't condemn it). We all have the
right to say what we want, where we want, when we want - as Americans.
Censorship means THE GOVERNMENT shuts down your speech. A business has no
obligation to provide an open forum, and blip is a business. Supporting free
speech policies in video hosting services is a worthy thing, but if blip
chose not to host campaign videos, it would not be censorship. If the FBI
I have to assume most Americans are as disgusted by this thread as I am.
Having seen and heard and been influenced by European ideas of speech
laws, it fucking sickens me to see discussion of banning or censoring
certain points of view.
I don't give a fuck if John McCain says that liberal
Just to be clear: I don't necessarily endorse EU-style hate speech laws.
However, I do endorse discussing them.
-Original Message-
From: Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 03:41:05
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: McCain on Blip
I agree with you Michael, it's a total shame McCain and his terrible
ads are on a service we love. BOO. I was upset when I saw the
blip.tv player on McCain' website. :(
Yet I totally disagree with your call to ask or expect blip.tv to
take the videos down. That would be a kind of
McCain is digging himself into a hole he can't get elected from and
you want to take away his shovels? how shortsighted.
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I don't give a fuck if John McCain says that liberal democrats are
donkey-fucking satanists
When I noticed this a few months ago, I thought to myself, how awesome
that Blip is in control of McCain's message - perhaps we could get
Mike and Dina drunk one night at the office and pull an October
surprise: Oops! Delete. (hickup).
But seriously, if it's legal, it should of be allowed.
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: McCain on Blip = a Shame
I have to assume most Americans are as disgusted by this thread as I am.
Having seen and heard and been influenced by European ideas of speech
laws, it fucking sickens me to see discussion of banning or censoring
Now wait a fucking sec Quirk! What the fuck are u talking about? I never
implied any kind
of censorship! I just wanted to express my disgust with the fact that my
favorite hosting
service, run by a fantastic man like Mike, is helping the McCain gang to spread
there filth.
That's my opinion.
Your definition of censorship must be entirely different than Cambridge's
then:
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=12160dict=CALD
This isn't even a slippery slope anymore, it's a full on landslide of
muzzling the opposing viewpoint. I just don't understand why anyone would
want to be
I hope we can discuss this loudly and with lots of hand gestures next time I
see you over a full clay bottle of that crazy liquor you brought to
Schlomo's place.
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Your definition of censorship must be entirely different than
I'm so glad that people finally spoke up about the whole free speech thing!
I was catching up on my emails this morning, and was a little shocked by
peoples' condemnation of blip.
Glad everyone's settled back into a big hug sort of thing.
One thing I learned from hanging out with the EFF:
Must. Not. Censor. Let blip gain market share and follow clever Jay - this
stuff can be used to promote whatever agenda you believe in.
I support anyone's right to use blip's service and do not see that as an
indictment of blip whatsoever.
Use the tools. Mash it up. Leave comments. Have fun with
Leave comments on Blip, let McCain's people know
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Schaap [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
The Mccain campaign spends millions on these ads... then they
publish them for free (or
are they Pro's for $ 95?) on a hosting service based in NY, run by
people who
First of all, Michael is no troll.
I was very fortunate to meet him at vlog europe in Italy, and he's one of
the cleverest, funniest, and most entertaining people I've ever met.
As for my opinion, I would have to disagree with my friend, in that I
believe blip should allow the videos - I don't
Couldn't agree more, Michael. Damn shame man.
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Schaap [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
It may sound silly but I am deeply disappointed in Blip.tv for
allowing the McCain campaign
to use Blip's services. For crying out loud: All the smear filth
running
The Mccain campaign spends millions on these ads... then they publish them for
free (or
are they Pro's for $ 95?) on a hosting service based in NY, run by people who
mostly (i
presume all) are democrats. How kind of these lefties, how civil !
Some of these ads have a racist undertone, to put
one more:
Terms of Use and elsewhere on the Blip.tv website, the following content is
prohibited on
Blip.tv:
Content that has as its sole or primary purpose to advertise a particular
product or service
that, in the sole judgment of Blip.tv, does not otherwise have redeeming value
to the
I'm also a 'stakeholder' by that regard and I am for McCain. I wouldn't
call Obama, nor his campaign, a thug, no do I consider McCain, nor his
campaign to be a thug. We learn by seeing all the viewpoints and I wouldn't
want Obama's speech hampered in any way. How can I be proud to win if it
Well, we have no idea what happened behind closed doors between Blip.tv and
the McCain campaign. They very well might be making a boat-load. Which
would be great! :-)
But as far as offensive political content goes, I recently uploaded a video
that equated watching the Republican National
Terms of Use and elsewhere on the Blip.tv website, the following
content is prohibited on
Blip.tv:
If you see a video that specifically violates the Blip terms of service,
bring it to the attention of people at Blip, not the hundreds (thousands?)
of people here who don't work there.
And
Ok, maybe the word thug is incorrect.
How about: deceivers, fibbers, fabricators, equivocators? Or are they just
cheating,
double-dealing; underhanded, crafty, cunning, devious, treacherous, unfair,
unjust, dirty,
unethical, immoral, dishonorable, untrustworthy, unscrupulous, unprincipled,
Maybe, but they shouldn't be censored for any of it. Free speech is free
speech.
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Michael Schaap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok, maybe the word thug is incorrect.
How about: deceivers, fibbers, fabricators, equivocators? Or are they just
cheating,
Well this sounds like you should be emailing them directly with the
offending clips. You know they will answer back quickly.
Unless the idea is to just throw the perceived problem out into the public
without finding out how blip.tv thinks about it. Things have been handled
that way before, but
Ok final call. I thought that since Blip is part of the community this would be
the place to
have a discussion. Apparently most of you do not like my rant and clearly most
of you do not
agree. How unfortunate. I will have to live with it the rest of my life.
I actually think the McCain ads
@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Re: McCain on Blip = a Shame
Ok final call. I thought that since Blip is part of the community this would be
the place to
have a discussion. Apparently most of you do not like my rant and clearly most
of you do not
agree. How unfortunate. I will have to live
Michael, I am probably going to kick myself and have others do it for
me for keeping this thread alive but I have to comment on what you
have presented.
1. With extremely limited exceptions, freedom of speech is extended to
all Americans. Especially the ones I disagree with. It is not
debatable.
I wonder how many McCain points this piece was worth?
I smell troll...
I'll be holding my nose, voting for the least likely to wipe their
ass with the constitution.
peace,
Ron
On Oct 16, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Gena wrote:
Michael, I am probably going to kick myself and have others do it for
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