I didnt realize before that the digg was to my blog post.
so, i made a more entertaining image to go along with it
http://spreadthemedia.org/files/ohmyheavy.jpg
;)
night.
sull
On 1/4/07, Casey McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good news, folks. The story has now made the front page of
Den 04.01.2007 kl. 08:07 skrev rudy.jahchan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
There is no difference. Copyright is what enables licensing. And
since they're linking rather than re-hosting, there is no copyright
issue.
Incorrect. Copyright states who owns and has the right to make
decisions on a piece
i think practicality wins out here Lucas
it appears that the divining job was not too tough for them as the
videos I indicated to them are now removed.
markus
On Jan 3, 2007, at 10:03 PM, Lucas Gonze wrote:
You refused to identify the vids, asking them to figure out for you
what those
Didn't our Republican led government just hamstring our ability to
get together to form class action lawsuits? Or was that just for
medicine?
Ron Watson
http://k9disc.blip.tv
http://k9disc.com
http://pawsitivevybe.com/vlog
http://pawsitivevybe.com
On Jan 3, 2007, at 10:15 PM, Enric wrote:
There is absolutely no reason not to blog about this whenever it happens.
It's not about mobbing for sake of mobbing. This is a legit concern and it
should be on the radar of any reputable service in this space.
Sull is right. On the contrary, we SHOULD blog about this. First because
this
I wrote them this:
I've found out that you have reposted my videos, violating the license that
is clearly shown in each video.
Please take down these videos from your site immediately. Don't tell me they
were uploaded by a member - they were not.
I am contacting my laywers about this case.
Peter
They are modifying my video and releasing it under a different
license for profit and they are not giving me attribution. Seems
pretty cut and dried to me.
Ron Watson
http://k9disc.blip.tv
http://k9disc.com
http://pawsitivevybe.com/vlog
http://pawsitivevybe.com
On Jan 4, 2007, at 1:32 AM,
[snip]
On 1/3/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A custom flash player
written by online video company MyHeavy.com that overlays
their logo,
display ads on top prior to rolling and such is clearly
different to
any observer and the consumer from a browser.
Not to the web it
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Watson
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:00 AM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding
Vlogger CC Licenses
They are modifying my video and releasing it under a
different license for profit
[snip]
okay...so they are just pulling in videos from feeds...and
overlaying the watermark/videos on top...
as Lucas says...yes, video hosting sites like Blip.tv can
just redirect...
and insert all Blip ads into the old URL...
I can do this on a case-by-case basis.
The Referer header is unreliable.
-Original Message-
From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucas Gonze
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:25 AM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding
On 1/4/07, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Referer header is unreliable.
Faking the Referer header *would* be a cause worth litigating, but
they're not doing that.
Yup, it looks like they've cleaned their act up. I'm expecting a call
from their CEO in a few minutes, so I'm guessing that will be the
message he delivers.
-Original Message-
From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Howell
Sent: Thursday,
-
From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucas Gonze
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:51 AM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding
Vlogger CC Licenses
On 1/4/07, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
On 1/4/07, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's correct. The problem is that we do want to be picky. We want to
allow people to use VPIP to play back videos hosted on blip, but we
don't want to allow them to use the MyHeavy player on MyHeavy.com
(unless it's the content creator
Searching their site, I can't actually find any videos that are via
Google Video, and I note that the search on Freetime used to turn up a
TON of videos other than mine, all of which have disappeared, too.
But what do they care? They needed the site to look video-rich to attract
users. They've
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Did the site break, or did they just clear out a chunk of their collection?
An hour ago I found my videos in there, along with several others, simply
by searching for 'hawaii.' Now, there's only one result.
Ryan
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This is a case for Brainstorming. For example, what's wrong with a
tool which allows each user to define a whitelist and blacklist? If
that were doable it would be a wonderful competitive advantage for
Blip. If I worked there I would propose that Blip be the first video
hosting
This is a case for Brainstorming. For example, what's
wrong with a
tool which allows each user to define a whitelist and
blacklist? If
that were doable it would be a wonderful competitive advantage for
Blip. If I worked there I would propose that Blip be the
first video
Message-
From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Ozawa
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:29 PM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding
Vlogger CC Licenses
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looks like any blip related search yields nothing
but some videos still exist
like from direct links:
*http://tinyurl.com/y54hcd*
maybe they're just in the process of fixing this all
but the search seems purged
On 1/4/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is a case for
Yes, my search for cirne came up empty. Looks like they removed
both my blip.tv and Google Video entries. Yes!
not so simple.
i assume they are still working on it.
A search on MyHeavy brings back no results of any of the videos off of Blip.
http://www.myheavy.com/search
But my deep links
Thanks Steve. We do include the Creative Commons information in the RSS
feed.
-Original Message-
From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Watkins
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 1:05 PM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
Hi all,
The french press is talking about MyHeavy
http://www.pointblog.com/past/2007/01/04/
myheavy_ne_respecte_pas_les_vloggers.htm
Pointblog is one of the most important blog in France
Nice day ;-)
Loiez
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:47 PM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding
Vlogger CC Licenses
looks like any blip related search yields nothing but some
videos still exist like from direct links:
*http://tinyurl.com/y54hcd
See my earlier e-mail about this.
-Original Message-
From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay dedman
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:48 PM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding
Yes. We're meeting with them next week to figure out how they can do
this properly.
-Original Message-
From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Enric
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:47 PM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
Steve, I think that for the time being at least there's a manageable
group of worthwhile aggregation destinations, and it's possible for us
to offer opt-in and opt-out from them within the dashboard. Moving
forward we may go to a more freeform system, where we allow people to
opt-in or out based
Mike Hudack wrote:
They have disabled their aggregation functionality entirely for the time
being. I just got off the phone with their CEO, who was very contrite.
We'll be meeting with them next week to figure out how to do this right,
and allow people to opt in and out from blip using MediaRSS.
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding
Vlogger CC Licenses
Mike Hudack wrote:
They have disabled their aggregation functionality entirely for the
time being. I just got off the phone with their CEO, who
was very
Den 04.01.2007 kl. 16:20 skrev Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
That's correct. The problem is that we do want to be picky. We want to
allow people to use VPIP to play back videos hosted on blip, but we
don't want to allow them to use the MyHeavy player on MyHeavy.com
(unless it's the content
Thanks Mike!
On Jan 4, 2007, at 12:05 PM, Mike Hudack wrote:
Yup, it looks like they've cleaned their act up. I'm expecting a call
from their CEO in a few minutes, so I'm guessing that will be the
message he delivers.
--
Steve Garfield
http://SteveGarfield.com
.
-Original Message-
From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WWWhatsup
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:28 PM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding
Vlogger CC
comments below
On 1/4/07, johnleeke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
to discuss these very issues. It's time for the crowd to recommend
solutions. MyHeavy is now willing to play ball by your rules. Write
the rules. I'll convey them.
OK, the first rule is:
If you used content without
Den 04.01.2007 kl. 23:18 skrev cooper3acd [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
How it works in the courts...
I did a bit of research as to how it works in the courts.
There are 2 main parts:
1) Did they violate someone's copyright? (YES in this case)
2) Were there damages to the copyright holder?
If the 2
On Jan 4, 2007, at 3:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Been following this post. Fascinating stuff. Sull, Jay, Mike H,
Enric... and everyone who's posted you all rock!
I'm so glad we're getting beyond the knee jerk reaction and into the
nitty gritty.
I read every single comment in both
On 1/4/07, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not to mention that Referer and User Agent headers are arbitrary and it
would be less than trivial for a myheavy.com site to identify itself as
blip.tv or vPIP respectively. If it wanted to.
But then it would be doing fraud or
Best here
http://www.tiny.cc/d2dYz
Loiez
Le 4 janv. 07 à 19:37, Loiez D. a écrit :
Hi all,
The french press is talking about MyHeavy
http://www.pointblog.com/past/2007/01/04/
myheavy_ne_respecte_pas_les_vloggers.htm
Pointblog is one of the most important blog in France
Nice day ;-)
They appear to have every video posted to blip, no matter how obscure.
They're just grabbing video from everywhere they can.
On 1/3/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They're almost certainly pulling the videos out of my blip.tv feed,
since there's videos on there that are only on blip.tv
I've placed a phone call to them and expect a call back first thing
tomorrow morning (it's already 7PM in New York and it seems like the
responsible party has gone home for the day). I'll be calling back
first thing tomorrow if I don't hear.
We'll take care of this to the best of our ability,
http://www.myheavy.com/static.php?page=copyright
LOL
On 1/3/07, Ronen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They appear to have every video posted to blip, no matter how obscure.
They're just grabbing video from everywhere they can.
On 1/3/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They're almost
my Blip videos as well.. hmm
just what I like to see.. an ad w/ a 1/2 naked chick tacked on to a video of
my 2yr old son..
-Chris
On 1/3/07, Ronen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They appear to have every video posted to blip, no matter how obscure.
They're just grabbing video from everywhere
Disregarding Vlogger CC
Licenses
I've placed a phone call to them and expect a call back first thing
tomorrow morning (it's already 7PM in New York and it seems like the
responsible party has gone home for the day). I'll be calling back
first thing tomorrow if I don't hear.
We'll take care
picture a heavy sumo wrestler sitting on your head.
there's your answer.
;)
On 1/3/07, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just emailed them a bill for $68,000.00. It was an arbitrary number
I pulled out of my head.
Think they'll pay?
David
http://www.davidhowellstudios.com
---
Yeah, as soon as they take my option to negotiate licensing fees with me.
I'm waiting on my weatherman buddy to tell me there's snow in Hell, too.
--
Rhett.
http://www.weatherlight.com/freetime
I just emailed them a bill for $68,000.00. It was an arbitrary number
I pulled out of my head.
i call major BULLSHIT!
this makes me mad.
they are re-hosting videos in flash on their servers
with their watermark!!!
no links back to the blogs or the blip pages.
lots of crappy ads, the one i saw was a full page animation that 'played'
before my video.
total disrespect for creative commons.
http://heavypr.wordpress.com/2006/11/21/online-media-daily-101206/
BROADBAND VIDEO SITE HEAVY.COM WEDNESDAY unveiled its newest channel,
Heavy's Angels,
featuring clips submitted by 20 female video creators. The 20 selected
angels were among hundreds of applicants who submitted original videos to
On 1/3/07, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just emailed them a bill for $68,000.00. It was an arbitrary number
I pulled out of my head.
This is exactly how I feel about it. I want some retroactive payment
for my work from heavy.com.
And Mike Hudack: any money I get back goes to you
How many of these kinds of 'businesses' can media creators handle and
still participate and/or eek out a living?
How many of these kinds of 'businesses' can Mike Blip take on from
a legal standpoint?
How did the clowns that run Myheavy.com get a buy in from Cingular
for advertising?
This
Why don't we spam them w/ anti MyHeavy.com videos..
On 1/3/07, francisco_daum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Done. I wrote them letting them know they are violating the CC license
I placed on my work, requested them to stop or be resposnsible for
their breaking the law. I hope they don't spam
videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed Jan 03 21:14:46 2007
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding Vlogger CC Licenses
Why don't we spam them w/ anti MyHeavy.com videos..
On 1/3/07, francisco_daum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Done. I wrote them letting them know they are violating
@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding Vlogger CC
Licenses
How many of these kinds of 'businesses' can media creators handle and
still participate and/or eek out a living?
How many of these kinds of 'businesses' can Mike Blip take on from
a legal standpoint
I've placed a phone call to them and expect a call back first thing
tomorrow morning (it's already 7PM in New York and it seems like the
responsible party has gone home for the day). I'll be calling back
first thing tomorrow if I don't hear.
We'll take care of this to the best of our
Lol, that'd be funny.
Robyn
From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Mike Hudack
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:23 PM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding Vlogger CC
Licenses
I've been
Forget posting messages to MyHeavy, post your messages where the
investors will see them.
John is right.everyone should blog about it.
this is your power.
this is also how we all can educate...
we can also point to these blog posts in future incidents.
anyone have an old Veoh post when
, January 03, 2007 9:15 PM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding Vlogger CC
Licenses
Why don't we spam them w/ anti MyHeavy.com videos..
On 1/3/07, francisco_daum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:francisco_daum%40yahoo.com wrote:
Done. I wrote
dugg!
On Jan 3, 2007, at 6:44 PM, Casey McKinnon wrote:
Sull has blogged about this and I have dugg it on digg:
http://digg.com/tech_news/MyHeavy_Stealing_Works_Without_Permission
Let's get the story out and put pressure on them to rectify their
mistake.
Mike- Thanks for everything
On 1/3/07, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've been thinking about redirecting all requests for blip videos from
myheavy to a video about blip. If the problem isn't fixed tomorrow we will do
just that.
My impression from Ryanne's comment that they're superimposing their
logo is that
i sent a message from their site contact form and selected business
inquiry as the category
got a quick reply back (surprise!)
as usual, they expect me to identify the vids
i asked them to remove any vid that was in their database and on my
site or pay $250/video :)
jeez,
markus
From:
And I'll raise you, dugg, blogged and twittered. ;)
Robyn
From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Markus Sandy
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:20 PM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy.com Disregarding Vlogger
johnleeke wrote:
Where do they get the money for them fancy prizes?
When you are spending $12.3 million of other people's money I guess
you can afford to do what ever you damn well please, including steal
other people's content to impress your investors!
Forget posting messages to
On 1/3/07, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i sent a message from their site contact form and selected business
inquiry as the category
got a quick reply back (surprise!)
as usual, they expect me to identify the vids
i asked them to remove any vid that was in their database and on my
Their service is a Flash app which plays an arbitrary FLV file on any server.
For example I can patch this URL of theirs for viewing Steve Garfield
stuff on blip:
On 1/3/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Forget posting messages to MyHeavy, post your messages where the
investors will see them.
Im blogging this now
Im using this great article from wethemedia during the Veoh incident:
Yeah? That's not going to help me. They scraped me from Google Video.
--
Rhett.
http://www.weatherlight.com/freetime
Lucas Gonze wrote:
Their service is a Flash app which plays an arbitrary FLV file on any server.
For example I can patch this URL of theirs for viewing Steve Garfield
stuff on
On 1/3/07, J. Rhett Aultman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah? That's not going to help me. They scraped me from Google Video.
Then ask Google Video to do the same, and don't use them if that is
something you need.
On 1/3/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Im using this great article from wethemedia during the Veoh incident:
http://wearethemedia.com/2006/04/08/whats-going-on-with-veoh/
There is, incidentally, a protocol for Web-based aggregation of video
content.
Here are two other protocols for
This is a link being fetched on the client side, not a copy on the
server side, so it's not a copyright issue.
Iff someone has a problem with something that they can easily fix,
they should do the fix. Anything else is willful.
What you want video aggregators to do will break the web. The web
But then the question I would ask is: why does the group freak out
twice a week over this topic? It is needless hyperventilation. Just
insist that third party republishers link rather than copy, then use
Referer headers to serve custom content according to the context. If
you really
On Jan 3, 2007, at 8:19 PM, Lucas Gonze wrote:
On 1/3/07, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i sent a message from their site contact form and selected business
inquiry as the category
got a quick reply back (surprise!)
as usual, they expect me to identify the vids
i
On 1/3/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Lucas Gonze [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
This is a link being fetched on the client side, not a copy on the
server side, so it's not a copyright issue.
The videos MyHeavy.com transcoded from blip.tv on their site
How to block a referrer using .htaccess
http://www.bylandwaterandair.com/extras/code/htaccess_single_domain.php
If MyHeavy is linking to the FLV files hosted by Blip, Google Video,
and others, then those video hosts can implement the simple .htaccess
rule and block the referrer links from
On 1/3/07, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
not sure i get you lucas.
i asked them to license or take down
seems like a reasonable request to me
no DMCA needed yet
i just sent a polite request
we'll see what they do
somehow i doubt they will want to license my vids for commercial use
On 1/3/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Lucas Gonze [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
This is a link being fetched on the client side, not a copy on the
server side, so it's not a copyright issue.
I see what you mean. They're pulling to the FLV file from
On 1/3/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, yes they are references my flv video on blip.tv. But do they have
a right to play the media through their flash player when the
copyright prohibits commercial performance of it?
Internet Explorer is clearly commercial. Does it have a right to
I see what you mean. They're pulling to the FLV file from blip.tv and
supimposing in flash they're own material on top. Regardless of the
method, the presentation and action is breaking the CC non-commercial
license. They are presenting through their flash player a video that
they are
On 1/3/07, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A custom flash player
written by online video company MyHeavy.com that overlays their logo,
display ads on top prior to rolling and such is clearly different to
any observer and the consumer from a browser.
Not to the web it isn't. Flash is just
Right. Which means you concede that it makes no difference whether
their Flash FLV player is commercial.
On 1/3/07, rudy.jahchan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is a retarded question. Possibly the stupidest I have heard.
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Lucas Gonze [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 1/3/07, rudy.jahchan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Its not the linking or the copying that is the issue, Lucas. It is the
fact that they are really profitting from it, and without any
consultation on our parts.
You can address that with a rewrite rule. Just use copyright to force
third parties
We're not talking about a technical protocol for delivery of video
content. We already have that. Jay is talking about a business protocal
for companys/organizations to REPUBLISH that content.
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 09:01:00PM -0800, Lucas Gonze wrote:
On 1/3/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Agreed.
Lucas makes correct technical points on how to either directly fix this or
to request to blip or other 3rd party hosting services to fix it for your
content (or it may be decided to globally implement such changes).
I dont propose the end to deeplinking but there is simply a right and a
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