Re: [videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
Matt Haughey (of Metafilter and other things) wrote about MySpace here: http://a.wholelottanothing.org/2006/02/myutterconfusio.html I found it interesting... Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
Craft is the enemy James Kochalka Reference: http://www.pennydreadfull.net/thesisenemy.html --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt Haughey (of Metafilter and other things) wrote about MySpace here: http://a.wholelottanothing.org/2006/02/myutterconfusio.html I found it interesting... Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
I didnt find his article interesting, but the one he linked to had a good perspective:if the default presentation and the common areas of MySpace had cleaner, more professional designs, users might hesitate to customize their spaces, feeling intimidated by having their amateur design work side-by-side with the professional-looking defaults. Instead, the unpolished style invites users to try things out, telling them they don't have to be professional designers to participate.On 2/28/06, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Matt Haughey (of Metafilter and other things) wrote about MySpace here: http://a.wholelottanothing.org/2006/02/myutterconfusio.htmlI found it interesting...Pete-- http://tinkernet.org/videoblog for the future...Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- - - - - Sullhttp://vlogdir.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another important consideration that people often overlook is that these young teenagers will soon be the leaders of the world. Very soon. On 2/26/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That fact alone scares the living daylights outta me yep, just like it scared our parents, and their parents, and their parents ... and will probably scare the teenagers when they are parents ... -- Richard http://www.richardshow.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
touché David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Show [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew@ wrote: Another important consideration that people often overlook is that these young teenagers will soon be the leaders of the world. Very soon. On 2/26/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That fact alone scares the living daylights outta me. ... yep, just like it scared our parents, and their parents, and their parents ... and will probably scare the teenagers when they are parents ... -- Richard http://www.richardshow.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
Myspace is a great tool for videobloggers to expand their audience. The audience for videblogs now seems very insular and a big challenge is to find people outside of the videoblogging world to discover videoblogs and all of the great content being produced. Myspace space is a great forum for that - although I agree with many of the criticisms in terms of usability and presentation - there are a lot of great opportunities to promote videoblogging and find people that may be interested your work. Although myspace may wither or die out - it's likely that the relationships, contacts and viewers you develop last well beyond myspace's lifespan... Will http://www.tiny-tube.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/26/06, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another important consideration that people often overlook is that these young teenagers will soon be the leaders of the world. Very soon. very true. on another note, MySpace is also the cool place to be NOW. but what happpens in 3 years? suddenly MySpace is no longer cool and its Schibiz (my new imaginary site). all the MySpace stuff just dies away. correct me if im wrong: as a blogger, Im making a space on the web that will last. I expect my blog to document my life. As a Myspace-like sites, it seems more about current interactions...then on to the next online space. jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging http://www.momentshowing.net http://FireAnt.tv http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
Although myspace may wither or die out - it's likely that the relationships, contacts and viewers you develop last well beyond myspace's lifespan... Will http://www.tiny-tube.com very very true. i like media that lasts...but te relationships that form are alos very important. none of my criticisms are meant to poo-poo MySpace interactions..i just want the younger generations(haha im 32)...to learn to document and make their creations last. it makes them and all of us better when we have a memory. if i put effort and time somewhere, i want it to last. jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging http://www.momentshowing.net http://FireAnt.tv http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
Im 30 and Ive found that as I get older, the desire to archive etc grows. I think it might be completely natural that teenagers and people in their early 20s may be less bothered. They are still changing quite fast, tastes havent become so fixed yet. I might even go as far as to call it a survival mechanism to forget things from the past, when at such an age. There are certainly many teenage moments clothes that I would rather not remember. Ahh the blog as an equivalent to mother causing embarresment by getting out the old family photo album when you bring a girlfriend home! It remains to be seen how well people storing elements of their lives digitally does in the longterm. I think if I was worried about not losing anything, I would have to use a service/my own server where I could backup the entire site and keep it on a variety of different digital storage devices. I dont bank on any particular internet server surviving the medium-long term, nor do I necessarily expect that the future will bring the sorts of continued technological progress that we've seen to date. Things may go backwards, and we'll have to rely on our good old biological memories etc. I'll be happy enough if I have food and some warmth in 20 years, in the grand scheme of things I can live without anybodies blogs and videoblogs surviving. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: none of my criticisms are meant to poo-poo MySpace interactions..i just want the younger generations(haha im 32)...to learn to document and make their creations last. it makes them and all of us better when we have a memory. if i put effort and time somewhere, i want it to last. jay Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
I am feeling the same thing. As far as aging goes, the perception that time accelerates is real. Consider that at 1 year of age, the next year is 50% of your life; a 10 year old, 10%, at 25, 4%; at 50, 2%. Perhaps when we are younger it seems all less fleeting than as we grow older..trying to hold on what appears to be slipping through our fingers. Ah, those long lazy days of summer youth! Time is a constant, although it sure doesn't feel like it. On 2/27/06, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im 30 and Ive found that as I get older, the desire to archive etc grows.-- Ted TagamiPrincipal, Universus NetworksU N I V E R S U S . N E T SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
LOL, I don't think time is a constant (ala Einstein's Relativity.) The constant is supposed to be the speed of light. Space and time can be shifted by gravity, most significantly from black holes: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3077887/ ;) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am feeling the same thing. As far as aging goes, the perception that time accelerates is real. Consider that at 1 year of age, the next year is 50% of your life; a 10 year old, 10%, at 25, 4%; at 50, 2%. Perhaps when we are younger it seems all less fleeting than as we grow older..trying to hold on what appears to be slipping through our fingers. Ah, those long lazy days of summer youth! Time is a constant, although it sure doesn't feel like it. On 2/27/06, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im 30 and Ive found that as I get older, the desire to archive etc grows. -- Ted Tagami Principal, Universus Networks U N I V E R S U S . N E T Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
For all intents, time is a constant for us, unless we plan on leaving this planet and visiting a black hole anytime soon...am I wrong in that thinking?On 2/27/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL, I don't think time is a constant (ala Einstein's Relativity.) The constant is supposed to be the speed of light. Space and time can be shifted by gravity, most significantly from black holes: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3077887/ ;) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am feeling the same thing. As far as aging goes, the perception that time accelerates is real. Consider that at 1 year of age, the next year is 50% of your life; a 10 year old, 10%, at 25, 4%; at 50, 2%. Perhaps when we are younger it seems all less fleeting than as we grow older..trying to hold on what appears to be slipping through our fingers. Ah, those long lazy days of summer youth! Time is a constant, although it sure doesn't feel like it. On 2/27/06, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im 30 and Ive found that as I get older, the desire to archive etc grows. -- Ted Tagami Principal, Universus Networks U N I V E R S U S . N E T SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ted TagamiPrincipal, Universus NetworksU N I V E R S U S . N E T SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
I would say yes, but it's probably not worth getting into ;) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For all intents, time is a constant for us, unless we plan on leaving this planet and visiting a black hole anytime soon...am I wrong in that thinking? On 2/27/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL, I don't think time is a constant (ala Einstein's Relativity.) The constant is supposed to be the speed of light. Space and time can be shifted by gravity, most significantly from black holes: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3077887/ ;) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ted Tagami digitalbuddha@ wrote: I am feeling the same thing. As far as aging goes, the perception that time accelerates is real. Consider that at 1 year of age, the next year is 50% of your life; a 10 year old, 10%, at 25, 4%; at 50, 2%. Perhaps when we are younger it seems all less fleeting than as we grow older..trying to hold on what appears to be slipping through our fingers. Ah, those long lazy days of summer youth! Time is a constant, although it sure doesn't feel like it. On 2/27/06, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Im 30 and Ive found that as I get older, the desire to archive etc grows. -- Ted Tagami Principal, Universus Networks U N I V E R S U S . N E T SPONSORED LINKS Individualhttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=OHeQJKby66gg3t35np-qiw Fireanthttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=hK8TfZa7ClhTIxDJdP6Cbw Usehttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usec=3s=38.sig=fljF53rXtnOMjmpIySYbqA -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- -- Ted Tagami Principal, Universus Networks U N I V E R S U S . N E T Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
reply to self.i know that part of what i said may not seem to make sense since myspace tries to offer a more organized network thant the more vast internet and i suggest the opposite is true.i do so because of the experience less than the actual tech in place. its hwo i feel when i browse through myspace verses my browsing through the blogosphere the vlogosphere more specifically. sullOn 2/27/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tough not to reiterate heremyspace is good for what its good for and who its good for... i do believe that if most myspacecadets had a crash course on how to setup their own 'my space' they would probably entertain it and likely utilize both parts of the network. speaking of the parts of the network the vast machine that we flow through... its obvious that a sort of blunt service that lets you sling digital artifacts of self and _expression_ onto digital 'pages' and simple methods to interconnect with people, has a powerful lure mainly to younger, dare i say lazier, people. those who could care less about good aesthetic presentation and just want to cut through the chase and get to it see me, message me, dig me, screw me, dont kill me.its sort of like, what many people think of when they here New York. they think of the crazy city but not the bulk of the state that is more. balanced or dulled down etc... myspace is like the big city of the net. its crazy, loud, obnoxious yet you are surrounded by people everywhere... expressing themselves. being LOUD.the blogosphere is like the rest of the state. all that exists as well, but its less crazed, more spread out, organized. I love the city, but i also love escaping it and retreating to the more sane spaces of my world. eventually, people on myspace will prob do the same as they discover who they are and what they want to do. and that most of their 'relationships' are hollow, are shallow, are fake. and too many relationships ends up draining. is human spam. its good that it exists. like i said about youtube, when people come looking for better ways to connect and distribute content, they'll find it and a community will be in place to help.if you use myspace even the more structured areas... fine. get what you want to get out of it. be careful not to waste your time. make sure you are not being abused my the service. consider learning about alternatives and if a realization occurs, spread the word and show others the way out. sullOn 2/27/06, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although myspace may wither or die out - it's likely that the relationships, contacts and viewers you develop last well beyond myspace's lifespan... Will http://www.tiny-tube.com very very true.i like media that lasts...but te relationships that form are alos veryimportant.none of my criticisms are meant to poo-poo MySpace interactions..ijust want the younger generations(haha im 32)...to learn to document and make their creations last.it makes them and all of us better when we have a memory.if i put effort and time somewhere, i want it to last.jay--Adventures in Videoblogging http://www.momentshowing.net http://FireAnt.tvhttp://node101.orgYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- - - - - Sull http://vlogdir.com -- - - - - Sullhttp://vlogdir.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
Human Spam - funniest phrase of the day! -josh On 2/27/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tough not to reiterate here myspace is good for what its good for and who its good for... i do believe that if most myspacecadets had a crash course on how to setup their own 'my space' they would probably entertain it and likely utilize both parts of the network. speaking of the parts of the network the vast machine that we flow through... its obvious that a sort of blunt service that lets you sling digital artifacts of self and expression onto digital 'pages' and simple methods to interconnect with people, has a powerful lure mainly to younger, dare i say lazier, people. those who could care less about good aesthetic presentation and just want to cut through the chase and get to it see me, message me, dig me, screw me, dont kill me. its sort of like, what many people think of when they here New York. they think of the crazy city but not the bulk of the state that is more. balanced or dulled down etc... myspace is like the big city of the net. its crazy, loud, obnoxious yet you are surrounded by people everywhere... expressing themselves. being LOUD. the blogosphere is like the rest of the state. all that exists as well, but its less crazed, more spread out, organized. I love the city, but i also love escaping it and retreating to the more sane spaces of my world. eventually, people on myspace will prob do the same as they discover who they are and what they want to do. and that most of their 'relationships' are hollow, are shallow, are fake. and too many relationships ends up draining. is human spam. its good that it exists. like i said about youtube, when people come looking for better ways to connect and distribute content, they'll find it and a community will be in place to help. if you use myspace even the more structured areas... fine. get what you want to get out of it. be careful not to waste your time. make sure you are not being abused my the service. consider learning about alternatives and if a realization occurs, spread the word and show others the way out. sull On 2/27/06, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although myspace may wither or die out - it's likely that the relationships, contacts and viewers you develop last well beyond myspace's lifespan... Will http://www.tiny-tube.com very very true. i like media that lasts...but te relationships that form are alos very important. none of my criticisms are meant to poo-poo MySpace interactions..i just want the younger generations(haha im 32)...to learn to document and make their creations last. it makes them and all of us better when we have a memory. if i put effort and time somewhere, i want it to last. jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging http://www.momentshowing.net http://FireAnt.tv http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups Links -- - - - - Sull http://vlogdir.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
I shuddered when I read that line!On 2/27/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Human Spam - funniest phrase of the day! -josh On 2/27/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tough not to reiterate here myspace is good for what its good for and who its good for... i do believe that if most myspacecadets had a crash course on how to setup their own 'my space' they would probably entertain it and likely utilize both parts of the network. speaking of the parts of the network the vast machine that we flow through... its obvious that a sort of blunt service that lets you sling digital artifacts of self and _expression_ onto digital 'pages' and simple methods to interconnect with people, has a powerful lure mainly to younger, dare i say lazier, people. those who could care less about good aesthetic presentation and just want to cut through the chase and get to it see me, message me, dig me, screw me, dont kill me. its sort of like, what many people think of when they here New York. they think of the crazy city but not the bulk of the state that is more. balanced or dulled down etc... myspace is like the big city of the net. its crazy, loud, obnoxious yet you are surrounded by people everywhere... expressing themselves. being LOUD. the blogosphere is like the rest of the state. all that exists as well, but its less crazed, more spread out, organized. I love the city, but i also love escaping it and retreating to the more sane spaces of my world. eventually, people on myspace will prob do the same as they discover who they are and what they want to do. and that most of their 'relationships' are hollow, are shallow, are fake. and too many relationships ends up draining. is human spam. its good that it exists. like i said about youtube, when people come looking for better ways to connect and distribute content, they'll find it and a community will be in place to help. if you use myspace even the more structured areas... fine. get what you want to get out of it. be careful not to waste your time. make sure you are not being abused my the service. consider learning about alternatives and if a realization occurs, spread the word and show others the way out. sull On 2/27/06, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although myspace may wither or die out - it's likely that the relationships, contacts and viewers you develop last well beyond myspace's lifespan... Will http://www.tiny-tube.com very very true. i like media that lasts...but te relationships that form are alos very important. none of my criticisms are meant to poo-poo MySpace interactions..i just want the younger generations(haha im 32)...to learn to document and make their creations last. it makes them and all of us better when we have a memory. if i put effort and time somewhere, i want it to last. jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging http://www.momentshowing.net http://FireAnt.tv http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups Links -- - - - - Sull http://vlogdir.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ted TagamiPrincipal, Universus NetworksU N I V E R S U S . N E T SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
Which Film groups and/or forums do you recommend, Lynn? -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, filmmaker_lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was curious if any of you guys were on there? It's a great place actually to network and meet other people in the indie film world. Another online community waiting for you...haha. If you are, look me up: myspace.com/lynnlane Best, Lynn Lane Coal River Pictures www.CoalRiverPictures.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] vlog: Docmaker on the Go www.domaker.blogspot.com coming soon: www.vlogumentarian.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
On 2/26/06, David Dundas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few weekslater Myspace released their beta video offering.Where the heck is it? I've been trying to test this for some time, but cannot find it in MySpace! Attempts to use their podcast media option in the blog interface don't work, nor do they give an error message. On my Big Board of Bitchery about online video hosts, MySpace is currently scoring a big fat zero.The networking aspects, however, are interesting. Ever since I've joined I've had lots of invitations to become friends with improbably good-looking guys who apparently missed the part of my profile that indicates that I'm happily married and not looking for romance... -- best regards,Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
I talked to my own daughter, who says she uses MySpace to keep in touch with her US friends, but finds it too messy with ads on the pages. She much prefers (and is more active on) fotolog, where she hangs out with her Italian friends - finds the interface a lot cleaner. Ross probably isn't typical, but it's interesting that not all teens like the clutter of MySpace. She's got a point that there's so much advertising stuck in the page by default you really can't make a nice, simple layout. -- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
That fact alone scares the living daylights outta me. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another important consideration that people often overlook is that these young teenagers will soon be the leaders of the world. Very soon. On Feb 26, 2006, at 5:06 AM, Frank Carver wrote: Sunday, February 26, 2006, 2:39:39 AM, Jay dedman wrote: but for whatever reason, MySpace still seems like a dead end. doesn't seem like it will last. I like to think that media we create will last...so it means something in the future. I wonder if MySpace has that kind of longevity. http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=1650209page=1 Unfortunately, longevity is not the point. Longevity is the kind of thing that concerns the middle-aged rather than the teenagers who form the backbone of a service like MySpace. Most children and young people live in a kind of eternal now, where it is assumed that things will be like this forever. It's not usually until a little later in life, when you have experienced change, felt loss and begun to ask yourself the definitive adult question should we have children yet? that longevity becomes a driving force. As a real example of this, one of my college students (aged around 17) while talking about styles of clothing, casually expressed that, in comparison to fashions from the past (say the 1980s and 1990s), today's fashions would probably last forever. When I probed a bit deeper, the explanation was that today's styles are ordinary, whereas the others were just wierd. This attitude, that the the strangeness and change was all in the past and things will just remain as they are from now on, goes a long way in trying to understand both the success of observably transient phenomena such as MySpace, and failure of the many attempts to interest young people in politics. Keeping people in this passive, unquestioning, state is good news for advertisers and governments, so many cultures have developed elaborate ways of delaying the onset of adult responsibility. -- Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
Enric... There is a complete myspace film side. Most of the discussion on this thread relates to the base myspace side. Recently MySpace released a part of the site specifically devoted to filmmakers as they did earlier for musicians/promoters. It's actually great. You can network with other filmmakers and actors etc. There is a filmmaker forum on there as well with some interesting discussions, a filmmaker search if you're looking for people in certain areas, names etc. You can also have videos etc. on your page much like the music side has jukeboxes on theirs so that bands can share their music. Someone mentioned that they would stick with traditional websites. My view is why not have both. If you are a filmmaker, one of the things that is imperative outside of making great work is to brand oneself and one's company. MySpace Film is a great avenue to do that or be a part of that for you. I really think that a lot of people in this discussion aren't aware that there is a specific side to Myspace that is filmmaker specific. It really is worth taking a look at. It's not just teenagers. It holds some very impressive indie filmmakers, festivals, etc. It was officially unveilled this year at the Sundance Festival and they are committed to giving filmmakers a community to share ideas and network within. I can say that I have noticed a marked increase in visit to my website with traffic directed from my MySpace Film page. This alone has value to me. It has also directed a large amount of visitors to my vlog as well. In the number of a few thousand extra visitors this month alone. Like I said, this to me has value and if this is a free service that you can use as an advertising avenue for a filmmaker and his production company, how can you argue with it as being a great thing? I have also used it to supplement my casting call on mandy.com and that has been great as well. Within this part of myspace, there are other groups/forums to join where filmmakers talk about filmmaking on all aspects from editing/cinematography/directing/festival submissions etc. Okay so that's my schpiel and I'm sticking to it. Remember, I'm not talking about the regular MySpace side, I'm talking about the MySpace Film side which looks similar but is very different. Lynn Lane Coal Rive Pictures www.CoalRiverPictures email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] vlog: Docmaker on the Go www.docmaker.blogspot.com coming soon: vlogumentarian.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which Film groups and/or forums do you recommend, Lynn? -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, filmmaker_lynn lynnlane@ wrote: I was curious if any of you guys were on there? It's a great place actually to network and meet other people in the indie film world. Another online community waiting for you...haha. If you are, look me up: myspace.com/lynnlane Best, Lynn Lane Coal River Pictures www.CoalRiverPictures.com email: lynnlane@ vlog: Docmaker on the Go www.domaker.blogspot.com coming soon: www.vlogumentarian.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
aargh!!! The myspace film side of myspace isn't geared towards teenagers. It is geared towards indie filmmakers/festival promoters etc. It is a different side to the site. Lynn Lane Coal River Pictures www.CoalRiverPictures email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] vlog: Docmaker on the Go www.docmaker.blogspot.com myspace: myspace.com/lynnlane coming soon: vlogumentarian.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another important consideration that people often overlook is that these young teenagers will soon be the leaders of the world. Very soon. On Feb 26, 2006, at 5:06 AM, Frank Carver wrote: Sunday, February 26, 2006, 2:39:39 AM, Jay dedman wrote: but for whatever reason, MySpace still seems like a dead end. doesn't seem like it will last. I like to think that media we create will last...so it means something in the future. I wonder if MySpace has that kind of longevity. http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=1650209page=1 Unfortunately, longevity is not the point. Longevity is the kind of thing that concerns the middle-aged rather than the teenagers who form the backbone of a service like MySpace. Most children and young people live in a kind of eternal now, where it is assumed that things will be like this forever. It's not usually until a little later in life, when you have experienced change, felt loss and begun to ask yourself the definitive adult question should we have children yet? that longevity becomes a driving force. As a real example of this, one of my college students (aged around 17) while talking about styles of clothing, casually expressed that, in comparison to fashions from the past (say the 1980s and 1990s), today's fashions would probably last forever. When I probed a bit deeper, the explanation was that today's styles are ordinary, whereas the others were just wierd. This attitude, that the the strangeness and change was all in the past and things will just remain as they are from now on, goes a long way in trying to understand both the success of observably transient phenomena such as MySpace, and failure of the many attempts to interest young people in politics. Keeping people in this passive, unquestioning, state is good news for advertisers and governments, so many cultures have developed elaborate ways of delaying the onset of adult responsibility. -- Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
Shook this man to the core: http://www.evilvlog.com/?p=2951 ;) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That fact alone scares the living daylights outta me. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron andrew@ wrote: Another important consideration that people often overlook is that these young teenagers will soon be the leaders of the world. Very soon. On Feb 26, 2006, at 5:06 AM, Frank Carver wrote: Sunday, February 26, 2006, 2:39:39 AM, Jay dedman wrote: but for whatever reason, MySpace still seems like a dead end. doesn't seem like it will last. I like to think that media we create will last...so it means something in the future. I wonder if MySpace has that kind of longevity. http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=1650209page=1 Unfortunately, longevity is not the point. Longevity is the kind of thing that concerns the middle-aged rather than the teenagers who form the backbone of a service like MySpace. Most children and young people live in a kind of eternal now, where it is assumed that things will be like this forever. It's not usually until a little later in life, when you have experienced change, felt loss and begun to ask yourself the definitive adult question should we have children yet? that longevity becomes a driving force. As a real example of this, one of my college students (aged around 17) while talking about styles of clothing, casually expressed that, in comparison to fashions from the past (say the 1980s and 1990s), today's fashions would probably last forever. When I probed a bit deeper, the explanation was that today's styles are ordinary, whereas the others were just wierd. This attitude, that the the strangeness and change was all in the past and things will just remain as they are from now on, goes a long way in trying to understand both the success of observably transient phenomena such as MySpace, and failure of the many attempts to interest young people in politics. Keeping people in this passive, unquestioning, state is good news for advertisers and governments, so many cultures have developed elaborate ways of delaying the onset of adult responsibility. -- Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
Sounds great, now how do I join? I already have a MySpace registration. When I click through your page to Filmmaker Signup and log in again, it just dumps me back on my own page, with no indication as to how to become a filmmaker. ??? They're not long on the helpful explanatory text, either... -- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
LMAO! The kid could barely read all those big words. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shook this man to the core: http://www.evilvlog.com/?p=2951 ;) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: That fact alone scares the living daylights outta me. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron andrew@ wrote: Another important consideration that people often overlook is that these young teenagers will soon be the leaders of the world. Very soon. On Feb 26, 2006, at 5:06 AM, Frank Carver wrote: Sunday, February 26, 2006, 2:39:39 AM, Jay dedman wrote: but for whatever reason, MySpace still seems like a dead end. doesn't seem like it will last. I like to think that media we create will last...so it means something in the future. I wonder if MySpace has that kind of longevity. http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=1650209page=1 Unfortunately, longevity is not the point. Longevity is the kind of thing that concerns the middle-aged rather than the teenagers who form the backbone of a service like MySpace. Most children and young people live in a kind of eternal now, where it is assumed that things will be like this forever. It's not usually until a little later in life, when you have experienced change, felt loss and begun to ask yourself the definitive adult question should we have children yet? that longevity becomes a driving force. As a real example of this, one of my college students (aged around 17) while talking about styles of clothing, casually expressed that, in comparison to fashions from the past (say the 1980s and 1990s), today's fashions would probably last forever. When I probed a bit deeper, the explanation was that today's styles are ordinary, whereas the others were just wierd. This attitude, that the the strangeness and change was all in the past and things will just remain as they are from now on, goes a long way in trying to understand both the success of observably transient phenomena such as MySpace, and failure of the many attempts to interest young people in politics. Keeping people in this passive, unquestioning, state is good news for advertisers and governments, so many cultures have developed elaborate ways of delaying the onset of adult responsibility. -- Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
Is this the MySpace Film landing site?: http://music.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=film http://tinyurl.com/lhfdu -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, filmmaker_lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: aargh!!! The myspace film side of myspace isn't geared towards teenagers. It is geared towards indie filmmakers/festival promoters etc. It is a different side to the site. Lynn Lane Coal River Pictures www.CoalRiverPictures email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] vlog: Docmaker on the Go www.docmaker.blogspot.com myspace: myspace.com/lynnlane coming soon: vlogumentarian.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron andrew@ wrote: Another important consideration that people often overlook is that these young teenagers will soon be the leaders of the world. Very soon. On Feb 26, 2006, at 5:06 AM, Frank Carver wrote: Sunday, February 26, 2006, 2:39:39 AM, Jay dedman wrote: but for whatever reason, MySpace still seems like a dead end. doesn't seem like it will last. I like to think that media we create will last...so it means something in the future. I wonder if MySpace has that kind of longevity. http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=1650209page=1 Unfortunately, longevity is not the point. Longevity is the kind of thing that concerns the middle-aged rather than the teenagers who form the backbone of a service like MySpace. Most children and young people live in a kind of eternal now, where it is assumed that things will be like this forever. It's not usually until a little later in life, when you have experienced change, felt loss and begun to ask yourself the definitive adult question should we have children yet? that longevity becomes a driving force. As a real example of this, one of my college students (aged around 17) while talking about styles of clothing, casually expressed that, in comparison to fashions from the past (say the 1980s and 1990s), today's fashions would probably last forever. When I probed a bit deeper, the explanation was that today's styles are ordinary, whereas the others were just wierd. This attitude, that the the strangeness and change was all in the past and things will just remain as they are from now on, goes a long way in trying to understand both the success of observably transient phenomena such as MySpace, and failure of the many attempts to interest young people in politics. Keeping people in this passive, unquestioning, state is good news for advertisers and governments, so many cultures have developed elaborate ways of delaying the onset of adult responsibility. -- Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
Deidre, You have to start a newpage, they don't have migration capabilities. It is a seperate side of the site. Before you sign in you will see a filmmakers link, click there and it will take you to a filmmaker sign up. You will need a second email address as it won't allow you to use the same one you used on your current page unless you delete that page. It is designed to prevent people from flooding myspace with multiple pages under one email account. When you sign up, link me as I'm curious as to what other vloggers are doing. Lynn Lane Coal River Pictures www.CoalRiverPictures email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] vlog: Docmaker on the Go www.docmaker.blogspot.com myspace: myspace.com/lynnlane coming soon: vlogumentarian.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds great, now how do I join? I already have a MySpace registration. When I click through your page to Filmmaker Signup and log in again, it just dumps me back on my own page, with no indication as to how to become a filmmaker. ??? They're not long on the helpful explanatory text, either... -- best regards, Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal) www.tvblob.com (work) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
That kid has made and acted in a feature film: http://foureyedmonsters.com/trailer/ http://foureyedmonsters.com/video_podcast/episodes/ -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LMAO! The kid could barely read all those big words. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric enric@ wrote: Shook this man to the core: http://www.evilvlog.com/?p=2951 ;) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: That fact alone scares the living daylights outta me. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron andrew@ wrote: Another important consideration that people often overlook is that these young teenagers will soon be the leaders of the world. Very soon. On Feb 26, 2006, at 5:06 AM, Frank Carver wrote: Sunday, February 26, 2006, 2:39:39 AM, Jay dedman wrote: but for whatever reason, MySpace still seems like a dead end. doesn't seem like it will last. I like to think that media we create will last...so it means something in the future. I wonder if MySpace has that kind of longevity. http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=1650209page=1 Unfortunately, longevity is not the point. Longevity is the kind of thing that concerns the middle-aged rather than the teenagers who form the backbone of a service like MySpace. Most children and young people live in a kind of eternal now, where it is assumed that things will be like this forever. It's not usually until a little later in life, when you have experienced change, felt loss and begun to ask yourself the definitive adult question should we have children yet? that longevity becomes a driving force. As a real example of this, one of my college students (aged around 17) while talking about styles of clothing, casually expressed that, in comparison to fashions from the past (say the 1980s and 1990s), today's fashions would probably last forever. When I probed a bit deeper, the explanation was that today's styles are ordinary, whereas the others were just wierd. This attitude, that the the strangeness and change was all in the past and things will just remain as they are from now on, goes a long way in trying to understand both the success of observably transient phenomena such as MySpace, and failure of the many attempts to interest young people in politics. Keeping people in this passive, unquestioning, state is good news for advertisers and governments, so many cultures have developed elaborate ways of delaying the onset of adult responsibility. -- Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
Maybe not. However this, http://tinyurl.com/o2bn4 is very representative of a typical MySpace site. In my opinion, associating ones self with MySpace reduces credibility immensely. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, filmmaker_lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: aargh!!! The myspace film side of myspace isn't geared towards teenagers. It is geared towards indie filmmakers/festival promoters etc. It is a different side to the site. Lynn Lane Coal River Pictures www.CoalRiverPictures email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] vlog: Docmaker on the Go www.docmaker.blogspot.com myspace: myspace.com/lynnlane coming soon: vlogumentarian.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron andrew@ wrote: Another important consideration that people often overlook is that these young teenagers will soon be the leaders of the world. Very soon. On Feb 26, 2006, at 5:06 AM, Frank Carver wrote: Sunday, February 26, 2006, 2:39:39 AM, Jay dedman wrote: but for whatever reason, MySpace still seems like a dead end. doesn't seem like it will last. I like to think that media we create will last...so it means something in the future. I wonder if MySpace has that kind of longevity. http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=1650209page=1 Unfortunately, longevity is not the point. Longevity is the kind of thing that concerns the middle-aged rather than the teenagers who form the backbone of a service like MySpace. Most children and young people live in a kind of eternal now, where it is assumed that things will be like this forever. It's not usually until a little later in life, when you have experienced change, felt loss and begun to ask yourself the definitive adult question should we have children yet? that longevity becomes a driving force. As a real example of this, one of my college students (aged around 17) while talking about styles of clothing, casually expressed that, in comparison to fashions from the past (say the 1980s and 1990s), today's fashions would probably last forever. When I probed a bit deeper, the explanation was that today's styles are ordinary, whereas the others were just wierd. This attitude, that the the strangeness and change was all in the past and things will just remain as they are from now on, goes a long way in trying to understand both the success of observably transient phenomena such as MySpace, and failure of the many attempts to interest young people in politics. Keeping people in this passive, unquestioning, state is good news for advertisers and governments, so many cultures have developed elaborate ways of delaying the onset of adult responsibility. -- Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
That looks to be it. :-) You can see that the focus is about filmmaking and if you look, there's 4 Eyed Monsters on there as well. Lynn Lane Coal River Pictures www.CoalRiverPictures email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] vlog: Docmaker on the Go www.docmaker.blogspot.com myspace: myspace.com/lynnlane coming soon: vlogumentarian.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this the MySpace Film landing site?: http://music.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=film http://tinyurl.com/lhfdu -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, filmmaker_lynn lynnlane@ wrote: aargh!!! The myspace film side of myspace isn't geared towards teenagers. It is geared towards indie filmmakers/festival promoters etc. It is a different side to the site. Lynn Lane Coal River Pictures www.CoalRiverPictures email: lynnlane@ vlog: Docmaker on the Go www.docmaker.blogspot.com myspace: myspace.com/lynnlane coming soon: vlogumentarian.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron andrew@ wrote: Another important consideration that people often overlook is that these young teenagers will soon be the leaders of the world. Very soon. On Feb 26, 2006, at 5:06 AM, Frank Carver wrote: Sunday, February 26, 2006, 2:39:39 AM, Jay dedman wrote: but for whatever reason, MySpace still seems like a dead end. doesn't seem like it will last. I like to think that media we create will last...so it means something in the future. I wonder if MySpace has that kind of longevity. http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=1650209page=1 Unfortunately, longevity is not the point. Longevity is the kind of thing that concerns the middle-aged rather than the teenagers who form the backbone of a service like MySpace. Most children and young people live in a kind of eternal now, where it is assumed that things will be like this forever. It's not usually until a little later in life, when you have experienced change, felt loss and begun to ask yourself the definitive adult question should we have children yet? that longevity becomes a driving force. As a real example of this, one of my college students (aged around 17) while talking about styles of clothing, casually expressed that, in comparison to fashions from the past (say the 1980s and 1990s), today's fashions would probably last forever. When I probed a bit deeper, the explanation was that today's styles are ordinary, whereas the others were just wierd. This attitude, that the the strangeness and change was all in the past and things will just remain as they are from now on, goes a long way in trying to understand both the success of observably transient phenomena such as MySpace, and failure of the many attempts to interest young people in politics. Keeping people in this passive, unquestioning, state is good news for advertisers and governments, so many cultures have developed elaborate ways of delaying the onset of adult responsibility. -- Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
Good thing he didnt have to read for a part then ;) David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That kid has made and acted in a feature film: http://foureyedmonsters.com/trailer/ http://foureyedmonsters.com/video_podcast/episodes/ -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: LMAO! The kid could barely read all those big words. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric enric@ wrote: Shook this man to the core: http://www.evilvlog.com/?p=2951 ;) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: That fact alone scares the living daylights outta me. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron andrew@ wrote: Another important consideration that people often overlook is that these young teenagers will soon be the leaders of the world. Very soon. On Feb 26, 2006, at 5:06 AM, Frank Carver wrote: Sunday, February 26, 2006, 2:39:39 AM, Jay dedman wrote: but for whatever reason, MySpace still seems like a dead end. doesn't seem like it will last. I like to think that media we create will last...so it means something in the future. I wonder if MySpace has that kind of longevity. http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=1650209page=1 Unfortunately, longevity is not the point. Longevity is the kind of thing that concerns the middle-aged rather than the teenagers who form the backbone of a service like MySpace. Most children and young people live in a kind of eternal now, where it is assumed that things will be like this forever. It's not usually until a little later in life, when you have experienced change, felt loss and begun to ask yourself the definitive adult question should we have children yet? that longevity becomes a driving force. As a real example of this, one of my college students (aged around 17) while talking about styles of clothing, casually expressed that, in comparison to fashions from the past (say the 1980s and 1990s), today's fashions would probably last forever. When I probed a bit deeper, the explanation was that today's styles are ordinary, whereas the others were just wierd. This attitude, that the the strangeness and change was all in the past and things will just remain as they are from now on, goes a long way in trying to understand both the success of observably transient phenomena such as MySpace, and failure of the many attempts to interest young people in politics. Keeping people in this passive, unquestioning, state is good news for advertisers and governments, so many cultures have developed elaborate ways of delaying the onset of adult responsibility. -- Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
I'll make sure that I let SXSW, Slamdance, Sundance, Rhode Island Film Festival, Filmmaker Magazine, IFC and all of the other major players out there who have major Myspace precense know that this could reduce their credibility..haha. Lynn Lane Coal River Pictures www.CoalRiverPictures email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] vlog: Docmaker on the Go www.docmaker.blogspot.com myspace: myspace.com/lynnlane coming soon: vlogumentarian.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe not. However this, http://tinyurl.com/o2bn4 is very representative of a typical MySpace site. In my opinion, associating ones self with MySpace reduces credibility immensely. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, filmmaker_lynn lynnlane@ wrote: aargh!!! The myspace film side of myspace isn't geared towards teenagers. It is geared towards indie filmmakers/festival promoters etc. It is a different side to the site. Lynn Lane Coal River Pictures www.CoalRiverPictures email: lynnlane@ vlog: Docmaker on the Go www.docmaker.blogspot.com myspace: myspace.com/lynnlane coming soon: vlogumentarian.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron andrew@ wrote: Another important consideration that people often overlook is that these young teenagers will soon be the leaders of the world. Very soon. On Feb 26, 2006, at 5:06 AM, Frank Carver wrote: Sunday, February 26, 2006, 2:39:39 AM, Jay dedman wrote: but for whatever reason, MySpace still seems like a dead end. doesn't seem like it will last. I like to think that media we create will last...so it means something in the future. I wonder if MySpace has that kind of longevity. http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=1650209page=1 Unfortunately, longevity is not the point. Longevity is the kind of thing that concerns the middle-aged rather than the teenagers who form the backbone of a service like MySpace. Most children and young people live in a kind of eternal now, where it is assumed that things will be like this forever. It's not usually until a little later in life, when you have experienced change, felt loss and begun to ask yourself the definitive adult question should we have children yet? that longevity becomes a driving force. As a real example of this, one of my college students (aged around 17) while talking about styles of clothing, casually expressed that, in comparison to fashions from the past (say the 1980s and 1990s), today's fashions would probably last forever. When I probed a bit deeper, the explanation was that today's styles are ordinary, whereas the others were just wierd. This attitude, that the the strangeness and change was all in the past and things will just remain as they are from now on, goes a long way in trying to understand both the success of observably transient phenomena such as MySpace, and failure of the many attempts to interest young people in politics. Keeping people in this passive, unquestioning, state is good news for advertisers and governments, so many cultures have developed elaborate ways of delaying the onset of adult responsibility. -- Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
That article you linked to was good. So far people have been extremely fickle with social networking sites, I see no reason why it will be any different with myspace. It has some good features, I personally hate it because its a mess. Oh yeah and I am biased against it because its owned by Murdoch. Although there are clear benefits to such a large scale of social networking, I prefer smaller more specialised communities, ansd cleaner user interfaces. Right now I am fixated with drupal and what it can do in terms of letting people create groups. I am currently in the early stages of remaking vjcentral.com so that it uses drupal takes advantage of all the stuff thats emerged over the last few years, like tagging, videoblogging etc. I am more than amazed that the videoblogging community hasnt done something similar, and has stuck with an array of semi-connected sites, yahoo groups etc. I know particular sites such as ourmedia are using the group stuff in drupal, but there doesnt seem to be that much overlap between who what is going on there, and members of this list. Node101 strikes me as great example of something that would benefit greatly from having this sort of online presence. New groups can be created by anyone to represent a new node, nodes can publish material that is seen by just that one node, or shared with certain other groups, or with everyone. I am formally volunterring to help with such an effort if it is wanted. I will post about this again once I got a beta of the new vjcentral running, so any interested people can take a look and see if such a system would be useful for node101 etc. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Toole recently asked his 16yr old daughter to explain why she finds MySpace so interesting. I asked him to vlog it and share it with us. He posted it tonight on ourmedia and our SpinFlow vlog http://outhink.blogs.com/spinflow/2006/02/why_is_myspace_.html Talk about market research. this is exactly what i needed to understand. I needed to SEE what a typical user likes about MySpace. Dave asked all the right questions. i guess MySpace provides what i hear a lot of bloggers want. who's watching me? how many friends do i have? we all want an audience. I know thats why i got involved in videoblogging. I just wanted to meet other people. but for whatever reason, MySpace still seems like a dead end. doesnt seem like it will last. I like to think that media we create will last...so it means something in the future. I wonder if MySpace has that kind of longevity. http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=1650209page=1 jay Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
Apparently, you have to register all over again. Not that this is documented anywhere, as nothing is on the site - you have to figure it out from the forums. Whatever happened to help pages and documentation? And is there ANYBODY IN THIS ENTIRE FREAKING UNIVERSE who actually tests their registration form? Just about every site I have tried falls on its face in this very simple yet oh-so-critical area. I will say for MySpace that they have a nice little piece of UI to let you know how your upload is progressing - I'll post a screenshot on http://www.beginningwithi.com/vlog/test.html because it's something the rest of you developers should copy.However, pretty is as pretty does - the end of the process is unknown error. My very favorite kind... After two failed attempts at uploading the WMV version of my trailer, I tried m4V and mov - same result on all. On 2/26/06, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds great, now how do I join? I already have a MySpace registration. When I click through your page to Filmmaker Signup and log in again, it just dumps me back on my own page, with no indication as to how to become a filmmaker. ??? They're not long on the helpful explanatory text, either... -- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
On 2/26/06, filmmaker_lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deidre,You have to start a newpage, they don't have migration capabilities.It is a seperate side of the site. Before you sign in you will see afilmmakers link, click there and it will take you to a filmmaker sign up. You will need a second email address as it won't allow you to usethe same one you used on your current page unless you delete thatpage. It is designed to prevent people from flooding myspace withmultiple pages under one email account. When you sign up, link me as I'm curious as to what other vloggers are doing.Hmm. As detailed earlier, I couldn't get a film uploaded right after the initial registration process. Now that I log in to the new profile, I don't see any option to add a film anywhere. -- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
I think that what you have to realize about Myspace is that it is first about identity, and then about content. So much of the craziness of Myspace is about having or wanting to Maintain an identity. And that is why it is so huge among the demographic of the teens to the mid twenties where they spend much time defining who they are from a social perspective. I have a login for Facebook(www.facebook.com)... and I use that as a BC alum to stay in touch with people from college. I have a login at Linkedin (www.linkedin.com) and I use that for my professional networking. I have heard about a social networking site that is launching soon geared towards social activists. I think that as social networking sites mature they will become more specialized. And I think that today Myspace is just the MTV of the social networking world. When we were building YouAreTV, we built social networking into the site as a means for discovery of video for people you may know or whose opinion you respect, and getting and giving feedback for videos on the site. We also built the social networking so that you could get to know the person behind the video. However, I would not consider YouAreTV a social networking site, but we do have social networking features. In the case of YouAreTV the video is central. For Myspace the user, the individual is central. From what I know about blogger culture information is central how much do I know about various topics. So where features may overlap with all of these sites where you may consume stuff: video, images, information they are not all the same. It's a nuanced difference but should be noted. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That article you linked to was good. So far people have been extremely fickle with social networking sites, I see no reason why it will be any different with myspace. It has some good features, I personally hate it because its a mess. Oh yeah and I am biased against it because its owned by Murdoch. Although there are clear benefits to such a large scale of social networking, I prefer smaller more specialised communities, ansd cleaner user interfaces. Right now I am fixated with drupal and what it can do in terms of letting people create groups. I am currently in the early stages of remaking vjcentral.com so that it uses drupal takes advantage of all the stuff thats emerged over the last few years, like tagging, videoblogging etc. I am more than amazed that the videoblogging community hasnt done something similar, and has stuck with an array of semi-connected sites, yahoo groups etc. I know particular sites such as ourmedia are using the group stuff in drupal, but there doesnt seem to be that much overlap between who what is going on there, and members of this list. Node101 strikes me as great example of something that would benefit greatly from having this sort of online presence. New groups can be created by anyone to represent a new node, nodes can publish material that is seen by just that one node, or shared with certain other groups, or with everyone. I am formally volunterring to help with such an effort if it is wanted. I will post about this again once I got a beta of the new vjcentral running, so any interested people can take a look and see if such a system would be useful for node101 etc. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote: Dave Toole recently asked his 16yr old daughter to explain why she finds MySpace so interesting. I asked him to vlog it and share it with us. He posted it tonight on ourmedia and our SpinFlow vlog http://outhink.blogs.com/spinflow/2006/02/why_is_myspace_.html Talk about market research. this is exactly what i needed to understand. I needed to SEE what a typical user likes about MySpace. Dave asked all the right questions. i guess MySpace provides what i hear a lot of bloggers want. who's watching me? how many friends do i have? we all want an audience. I know thats why i got involved in videoblogging. I just wanted to meet other people. but for whatever reason, MySpace still seems like a dead end. doesnt seem like it will last. I like to think that media we create will last...so it means something in the future. I wonder if MySpace has that kind of longevity. http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=1650209page=1 jay Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
Here's the Double Edge Films site with the 11:59 trailer which I found interesting: http://tinyurl.com/zdnll -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe not. However this, http://tinyurl.com/o2bn4 is very representative of a typical MySpace site. In my opinion, associating ones self with MySpace reduces credibility immensely. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, filmmaker_lynn lynnlane@ wrote: aargh!!! The myspace film side of myspace isn't geared towards teenagers. It is geared towards indie filmmakers/festival promoters etc. It is a different side to the site. Lynn Lane Coal River Pictures www.CoalRiverPictures email: lynnlane@ vlog: Docmaker on the Go www.docmaker.blogspot.com myspace: myspace.com/lynnlane coming soon: vlogumentarian.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron andrew@ wrote: Another important consideration that people often overlook is that these young teenagers will soon be the leaders of the world. Very soon. On Feb 26, 2006, at 5:06 AM, Frank Carver wrote: Sunday, February 26, 2006, 2:39:39 AM, Jay dedman wrote: but for whatever reason, MySpace still seems like a dead end. doesn't seem like it will last. I like to think that media we create will last...so it means something in the future. I wonder if MySpace has that kind of longevity. http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=1650209page=1 Unfortunately, longevity is not the point. Longevity is the kind of thing that concerns the middle-aged rather than the teenagers who form the backbone of a service like MySpace. Most children and young people live in a kind of eternal now, where it is assumed that things will be like this forever. It's not usually until a little later in life, when you have experienced change, felt loss and begun to ask yourself the definitive adult question should we have children yet? that longevity becomes a driving force. As a real example of this, one of my college students (aged around 17) while talking about styles of clothing, casually expressed that, in comparison to fashions from the past (say the 1980s and 1990s), today's fashions would probably last forever. When I probed a bit deeper, the explanation was that today's styles are ordinary, whereas the others were just wierd. This attitude, that the the strangeness and change was all in the past and things will just remain as they are from now on, goes a long way in trying to understand both the success of observably transient phenomena such as MySpace, and failure of the many attempts to interest young people in politics. Keeping people in this passive, unquestioning, state is good news for advertisers and governments, so many cultures have developed elaborate ways of delaying the onset of adult responsibility. -- Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
I experimented with the very early versions of drupal 'groups' and 'access' modules for drupal about a year back. It was tricky getting the modules to play nice together, but it was a good experiment I ended up using it on an intranet for a companies departments worked nice. I'll be taking a new look at this stuff as well... kep me looped on how things go on your end.On 2/26/06, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:That article you linked to was good. So far people have been extremely fickle with social networking sites, I see no reason why it will beany different with myspace.It has some good features, I personally hate it because its a mess. Ohyeah and I am biased against it because its owned by Murdoch. Although there are clear benefits to such a large scale of socialnetworking, I prefer smaller more specialised communities, ansdcleaner user interfaces.Right now I am fixated with drupal and what it can do in terms of letting people create groups. I am currently in the early stages ofremaking vjcentral.com so that it uses drupal takes advantage of allthe stuff thats emerged over the last few years, like tagging, videoblogging etc.I am more than amazed that the videoblogging community hasnt donesomething similar, and has stuck with an array of semi-connectedsites, yahoo groups etc. I know particular sites such as ourmedia are using the group stuff in drupal, but there doesnt seem to be that muchoverlap between who what is going on there, and members of this list.Node101 strikes me as great example of something that would benefit greatly from having this sort of online presence. New groups can becreated by anyone to represent a new node, nodes can publish materialthat is seen by just that one node, or shared with certain othergroups, or with everyone. I am formally volunterring to help with such an effort if it is wanted. I will post about this again once I got abeta of the new vjcentral running, so any interested people can take alook and see if such a system would be useful for node101 etc.Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Toole recently asked his 16yr old daughter to explain why she finds MySpace so interesting. I asked him to vlog it and share it with us. He posted it tonight on ourmedia and our SpinFlow vlog http://outhink.blogs.com/spinflow/2006/02/why_is_myspace_.html Talk about market research. this is exactly what i needed to understand. I needed to SEE what a typical user likes about MySpace. Dave asked all the right questions. i guess MySpace provides what i hear a lot of bloggers want. who's watching me? how many friends do i have? we all want an audience. I know thats why i got involved in videoblogging. I just wanted to meet other people. but for whatever reason, MySpace still seems like a dead end. doesnt seem like it will last. I like to think that media we create will last...so it means something in the future. I wonder if MySpace has that kind of longevity. http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=1650209page=1 jayYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- - - - - Sullhttp://vlogdir.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
I look at myspace as kind of the Fad web. It's not the real web, it's a close aproximation of the web, but it's inside a box that's owned by someone. Myspace has recreated a lot of the functionality that exists on the real Web and made it simpler (and less functional) but combined them all into a simple interface. It's simply a package that somehow is slightly more useful than the some of it's parts to a lot of people. I predect it will be popular for another 15 minutes or so. Reminds me alot of the community aspects of the AOL of old. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Toole recently asked his 16yr old daughter to explain why she finds MySpace so interesting. I asked him to vlog it and share it with us. He posted it tonight on ourmedia and our SpinFlow vlog http://outhink.blogs.com/spinflow/2006/02/why_is_myspace_.html Talk about market research. this is exactly what i needed to understand. I needed to SEE what a typical user likes about MySpace. Dave asked all the right questions. i guess MySpace provides what i hear a lot of bloggers want. who's watching me? how many friends do i have? we all want an audience. I know thats why i got involved in videoblogging. I just wanted to meet other people. but for whatever reason, MySpace still seems like a dead end. doesnt seem like it will last. I like to think that media we create will last...so it means something in the future. I wonder if MySpace has that kind of longevity. http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=1650209page=1 jay Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
AOL was very popular for content creators until they decided to charge for putting up content. MySpace may do well if they don't make similar mistakes. A simple interface that draws a large audience is a natural for content creators like musicians and filmmakers. As far as network video, it looks like the large competitors may be YouTube and MySpace. -- Enric -==- http://www.cirne.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I look at myspace as kind of the Fad web. It's not the real web, it's a close aproximation of the web, but it's inside a box that's owned by someone. Myspace has recreated a lot of the functionality that exists on the real Web and made it simpler (and less functional) but combined them all into a simple interface. It's simply a package that somehow is slightly more useful than the some of it's parts to a lot of people. I predect it will be popular for another 15 minutes or so. Reminds me alot of the community aspects of the AOL of old. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote: Dave Toole recently asked his 16yr old daughter to explain why she finds MySpace so interesting. I asked him to vlog it and share it with us. He posted it tonight on ourmedia and our SpinFlow vlog http://outhink.blogs.com/spinflow/2006/02/why_is_myspace_.html Talk about market research. this is exactly what i needed to understand. I needed to SEE what a typical user likes about MySpace. Dave asked all the right questions. i guess MySpace provides what i hear a lot of bloggers want. who's watching me? how many friends do i have? we all want an audience. I know thats why i got involved in videoblogging. I just wanted to meet other people. but for whatever reason, MySpace still seems like a dead end. doesnt seem like it will last. I like to think that media we create will last...so it means something in the future. I wonder if MySpace has that kind of longevity. http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=1650209page=1 jay Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
Bill... Wouldn't you agree though with a membership of over 55 million it would seem to last a bit longer than just 15 minutes. It has an international membership that is continually growing. One advantage that it has over the aol community aspects is that it is constantly expanding and changing to allow for more focus within certain areas. I still think that you guys are caught up on the whole myspace when I was talking about the film specific side which is a great place for those looking to network. Someone spoke about maintaining an identity earlier in this discussion which seemed to be a slighting comment towards those who look to use it for that reason. This seems odd considering that all business see to maintain an identity thus the term branding is used so often and people pay huge amounts of money to ensure that they maintain that identity in the public arena. If you are looking to brand yourself within a community what better place to do that than in a place where that community is gathered together with the same focus in mind. Does it work? It must or else you wouldn't see all of the film festivals and filmmaking journals coming together to support the Myspace film side of the site and maintaining a presence on their as well. I personally think it is a solid place to brand yourself. Today I was approached by a writer of a European magazine to do an article on this doc that I'm working on. This writer approached me from my myspace account. This is the 2nd time that this has happened this week alone from there. Pretty cool in my opinion. I was also offered to be in a new film festival next year in Las Vegas off of my myspace account. They found me there via networking and contacted me and we spoke furthernext thing you know the conversation turned to something very positive. Sometimes things may start as one thing but can evolve to something that can be very beneficial to a certain community as myspace seems to be doing for indie filmmakers. Lynn Lane Coal River Pictures www.CoalRiverPictures email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] vlog: Docmaker on the Go www.docmaker.blogspot.com myspace: myspace.com/lynnlane coming soon: vlogumentarian.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I look at myspace as kind of the Fad web. It's not the real web, it's a close aproximation of the web, but it's inside a box that's owned by someone. Myspace has recreated a lot of the functionality that exists on the real Web and made it simpler (and less functional) but combined them all into a simple interface. It's simply a package that somehow is slightly more useful than the some of it's parts to a lot of people. I predect it will be popular for another 15 minutes or so. Reminds me alot of the community aspects of the AOL of old. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote: Dave Toole recently asked his 16yr old daughter to explain why she finds MySpace so interesting. I asked him to vlog it and share it with us. He posted it tonight on ourmedia and our SpinFlow vlog http://outhink.blogs.com/spinflow/2006/02/why_is_myspace_.html Talk about market research. this is exactly what i needed to understand. I needed to SEE what a typical user likes about MySpace. Dave asked all the right questions. i guess MySpace provides what i hear a lot of bloggers want. who's watching me? how many friends do i have? we all want an audience. I know thats why i got involved in videoblogging. I just wanted to meet other people. but for whatever reason, MySpace still seems like a dead end. doesnt seem like it will last. I like to think that media we create will last...so it means something in the future. I wonder if MySpace has that kind of longevity. http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=1650209page=1 jay Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
I wouldnt say it will be gone in 15 minutes, but using history as a guide something else will come along and steal its momentum. The membership number doesnt tell the whole story, number of active members is the important thing. The question is not just whether it is growing, but whether it is retaining existing members. But yeah if it continues to adapt, doesnt become more of a victim of its own sucess, and carves new niches for itself, then it may well last a long long time. A lot comes down to the motivations of those who own/control it, if it blooms in terms of film community, but this community doesnt sustain myspace in the way advertising to presumedly millions of young consumers does, and those consumers desert myspace to go to groovyhipnewcoolplace in 6 months, who is to say news corp will keep it going in the longterm? But thats not intended to poop on what good some peoplec an get out of it now. Hoorah for those who are finding it useful, just be aware you wont convince everybody of its merits. But that doesnt mean anybody is trying to rain on your parade. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, filmmaker_lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill... Wouldn't you agree though with a membership of over 55 million it would seem to last a bit longer than just 15 minutes. It has an international membership that is continually growing. One advantage that it has over the aol community aspects is that it is constantly expanding and changing to allow for more focus within certain areas. I still think that you guys are caught up on the whole myspace when I was talking about the film specific side which is a great place for those looking to network. Someone spoke about maintaining an identity earlier in this discussion which seemed to be a slighting comment towards those who look to use it for that reason. This seems odd considering that all business see to maintain an identity thus the term branding is used so often and people pay huge amounts of money to ensure that they maintain that identity in the public arena. If you are looking to brand yourself within a community what better place to do that than in a place where that community is gathered together with the same focus in mind. Does it work? It must or else you wouldn't see all of the film festivals and filmmaking journals coming together to support the Myspace film side of the site and maintaining a presence on their as well. I personally think it is a solid place to brand yourself. Today I was approached by a writer of a European magazine to do an article on this doc that I'm working on. This writer approached me from my myspace account. This is the 2nd time that this has happened this week alone from there. Pretty cool in my opinion. I was also offered to be in a new film festival next year in Las Vegas off of my myspace account. They found me there via networking and contacted me and we spoke furthernext thing you know the conversation turned to something very positive. Sometimes things may start as one thing but can evolve to something that can be very beneficial to a certain community as myspace seems to be doing for indie filmmakers. Lynn Lane Coal River Pictures www.CoalRiverPictures email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] vlog: Docmaker on the Go www.docmaker.blogspot.com myspace: myspace.com/lynnlane coming soon: vlogumentarian.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter bill@ wrote: I look at myspace as kind of the Fad web. It's not the real web, it's a close aproximation of the web, but it's inside a box that's owned by someone. Myspace has recreated a lot of the functionality that exists on the real Web and made it simpler (and less functional) but combined them all into a simple interface. It's simply a package that somehow is slightly more useful than the some of it's parts to a lot of people. I predect it will be popular for another 15 minutes or so. Reminds me alot of the community aspects of the AOL of old. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote: Dave Toole recently asked his 16yr old daughter to explain why she finds MySpace so interesting. I asked him to vlog it and share it with us. He posted it tonight on ourmedia and our SpinFlow vlog http://outhink.blogs.com/spinflow/2006/02/why_is_myspace_.html Talk about market research. this is exactly what i needed to understand. I needed to SEE what a typical user likes about MySpace. Dave asked all the right questions. i guess MySpace provides what i hear a lot of bloggers want. who's watching me? how many friends do i have? we all want an audience. I know thats why i got involved in videoblogging. I just wanted to meet other people. but for whatever reason, MySpace still seems like a dead end. doesnt seem like it will last.
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
Steve, I understand what you are saying and can agree that the main side of myspace falls into much of the parameters you describe contain. My own excitement towards myspace is really rooted in what they are doing for the film and music side. Right now, this seems to be one the best place on the web to network with other filmmakers. I belong to quite a few listservs like doculink that are amazing and have given me tons of input as well as some solid connections from distribution to production crews. There are forums like indiefilmpage.com, b-independent, and dvxusers etc. that are great forums, but there is something truly unique about what myspace film offers. Is it the end all, be all? No, not a chance. Is it a great place to network with other and let others know what you're up to as well as see what they are up to? Without a doubt. I'm lucky enough to have had some great experiences on the myspace page as well as from my blogger site. They have given me some solid exposure that complements my own website and personal connections. At the end of the day, whatever level of filmmaker you are from a student to an Oscar winning director, you need to establish and maintain an identity in the public and your peers eyes. Myspace Films is just another place to do that. Lynn Lane Coal River Pictures website: www.CoalRiverPictures.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MySpace Page: http://myspace.com/lynnlane Vlogs: Docmaker on the Go vlog: http://docmaker.blogspot.com feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/docmaker Coming Soon: www.Vlogumentarian.com www.VlogReporter.com AIVF/IDA --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldnt say it will be gone in 15 minutes, but using history as a guide something else will come along and steal its momentum. The membership number doesnt tell the whole story, number of active members is the important thing. The question is not just whether it is growing, but whether it is retaining existing members. But yeah if it continues to adapt, doesnt become more of a victim of its own sucess, and carves new niches for itself, then it may well last a long long time. A lot comes down to the motivations of those who own/control it, if it blooms in terms of film community, but this community doesnt sustain myspace in the way advertising to presumedly millions of young consumers does, and those consumers desert myspace to go to groovyhipnewcoolplace in 6 months, who is to say news corp will keep it going in the longterm? But thats not intended to poop on what good some peoplec an get out of it now. Hoorah for those who are finding it useful, just be aware you wont convince everybody of its merits. But that doesnt mean anybody is trying to rain on your parade. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, filmmaker_lynn lynnlane@ wrote: Bill... Wouldn't you agree though with a membership of over 55 million it would seem to last a bit longer than just 15 minutes. It has an international membership that is continually growing. One advantage that it has over the aol community aspects is that it is constantly expanding and changing to allow for more focus within certain areas. I still think that you guys are caught up on the whole myspace when I was talking about the film specific side which is a great place for those looking to network. Someone spoke about maintaining an identity earlier in this discussion which seemed to be a slighting comment towards those who look to use it for that reason. This seems odd considering that all business see to maintain an identity thus the term branding is used so often and people pay huge amounts of money to ensure that they maintain that identity in the public arena. If you are looking to brand yourself within a community what better place to do that than in a place where that community is gathered together with the same focus in mind. Does it work? It must or else you wouldn't see all of the film festivals and filmmaking journals coming together to support the Myspace film side of the site and maintaining a presence on their as well. I personally think it is a solid place to brand yourself. Today I was approached by a writer of a European magazine to do an article on this doc that I'm working on. This writer approached me from my myspace account. This is the 2nd time that this has happened this week alone from there. Pretty cool in my opinion. I was also offered to be in a new film festival next year in Las Vegas off of my myspace account. They found me there via networking and contacted me and we spoke furthernext thing you know the conversation turned to something very positive. Sometimes things may start as one thing but can evolve to something that can be very beneficial to a certain community as myspace seems to be doing for indie filmmakers. Lynn Lane Coal River Pictures
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
I can't wait!! I mean, I feel old enough already. Definitely time to stick a fork in me and take me off the grill; I'm done. All these little constructs we debate-- they already know. They make it naturally. schlomo http://schlomolog.blogspot.com http://vloggercon.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another important consideration that people often overlook is that these young teenagers will soon be the leaders of the world. Very soon. On Feb 26, 2006, at 5:06 AM, Frank Carver wrote: Sunday, February 26, 2006, 2:39:39 AM, Jay dedman wrote: but for whatever reason, MySpace still seems like a dead end. doesn't seem like it will last. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Can anyone provide a direct link to this film side of MySpace? The best I can find is a forum topic discussion for filmmakers. -josh On 2/26/06, johngaltsjournal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't wait!! I mean, I feel old enough already. Definitely time to stick a fork in me and take me off the grill; I'm done. All these little constructs we debate-- they already know. They make it naturally. schlomo http://schlomolog.blogspot.com http://vloggercon.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another important consideration that people often overlook is that these young teenagers will soon be the leaders of the world. Very soon. On Feb 26, 2006, at 5:06 AM, Frank Carver wrote: Sunday, February 26, 2006, 2:39:39 AM, Jay dedman wrote: but for whatever reason, MySpace still seems like a dead end. doesn't seem like it will last. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Josh... Here's the frontpage of it. http://music.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=film Lynn Lane Coal River Pictures website: www.CoalRiverPictures.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MySpace Page: http://myspace.com/lynnlane Vlogs: Docmaker on the Go vlog: http://docmaker.blogspot.com feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/docmaker Coming Soon: www.Vlogumentarian.com www.VlogReporter.com AIVF/IDA Ring 8 (Boxing Organization) Member Marshall Chess Club Member NYC --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone provide a direct link to this film side of MySpace? The best I can find is a forum topic discussion for filmmakers. -josh On 2/26/06, johngaltsjournal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't wait!! I mean, I feel old enough already. Definitely time to stick a fork in me and take me off the grill; I'm done. All these little constructs we debate-- they already know. They make it naturally. schlomo http://schlomolog.blogspot.com http://vloggercon.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron andrew@ wrote: Another important consideration that people often overlook is that these young teenagers will soon be the leaders of the world. Very soon. On Feb 26, 2006, at 5:06 AM, Frank Carver wrote: Sunday, February 26, 2006, 2:39:39 AM, Jay dedman wrote: but for whatever reason, MySpace still seems like a dead end. doesn't seem like it will last. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Thanks for the link... looks interesting. My initial reaction is that I see a lot of advertisements and the first few videos i clicked on were trailers. But, I guess its trying to be geared toward filmmakers who want to show their feature length films in festivals, etc. MySpace always confuses me how they jam a lot of information onto a page and do so with crazy layouts where half the info is too wide for my browser and so forth. If I were a filmmaker, I might be kind of upset with the presentation (not to mention the Flash video implementation is really poor), but I guess potential audience trumps look and feel here. The link from the film page back to the filmmakers profile is cool, and I like how that basically gives people a direct representation of their network/audience for them to contact and alert about upcoming announcements/screenings and such. What else do you like/dislike about it? -Josh On 2/26/06, filmmaker_lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh... Here's the frontpage of it. http://music.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=film Lynn Lane Coal River Pictures website: www.CoalRiverPictures.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MySpace Page: http://myspace.com/lynnlane Vlogs: Docmaker on the Go vlog: http://docmaker.blogspot.com feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/docmaker Coming Soon: www.Vlogumentarian.com www.VlogReporter.com AIVF/IDA Ring 8 (Boxing Organization) Member Marshall Chess Club Member NYC --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone provide a direct link to this film side of MySpace? The best I can find is a forum topic discussion for filmmakers. -josh On 2/26/06, johngaltsjournal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't wait!! I mean, I feel old enough already. Definitely time to stick a fork in me and take me off the grill; I'm done. All these little constructs we debate-- they already know. They make it naturally. schlomo http://schlomolog.blogspot.com http://vloggercon.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron andrew@ wrote: Another important consideration that people often overlook is that these young teenagers will soon be the leaders of the world. Very soon. On Feb 26, 2006, at 5:06 AM, Frank Carver wrote: Sunday, February 26, 2006, 2:39:39 AM, Jay dedman wrote: but for whatever reason, MySpace still seems like a dead end. doesn't seem like it will last. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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nice... at the end of step 1, i am getting: Sorry! an unexpected error has occurred. This error has been forwarded to MySpace's technical group. mmm, how i love it when major sites neglect qa... -scotto --- filmmaker_lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh... Here's the frontpage of it. http://music.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=film Lynn Lane Coal River Pictures website: www.CoalRiverPictures.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MySpace Page: http://myspace.com/lynnlane Vlogs: Docmaker on the Go vlog: http://docmaker.blogspot.com feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/docmaker Coming Soon: www.Vlogumentarian.com www.VlogReporter.com AIVF/IDA Ring 8 (Boxing Organization) Member Marshall Chess Club Member NYC --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone provide a direct link to this film side of MySpace? The best I can find is a forum topic discussion for filmmakers. -josh On 2/26/06, johngaltsjournal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't wait!! I mean, I feel old enough already. Definitely time to stick a fork in me and take me off the grill; I'm done. All these little constructs we debate-- they already know. They make it naturally. schlomo http://schlomolog.blogspot.com http://vloggercon.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron andrew@ wrote: Another important consideration that people often overlook is that these young teenagers will soon be the leaders of the world. Very soon. On Feb 26, 2006, at 5:06 AM, Frank Carver wrote: Sunday, February 26, 2006, 2:39:39 AM, Jay dedman wrote: but for whatever reason, MySpace still seems like a dead end. doesn't seem like it will last. Yahoo! Groups Links -- CHERUB - the vampire with bunny slippers http://www.cautionzero.net/cherub/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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yes.. i also can;t get it to accept films? any advice lyn.. what format did you upload them in?duncan-- URL: http://29fragiledays.blogspot.com URL: http://www.kleindesign.co.uk SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Yeah obviously I was joking about the 15 minutes thing. But I can't imagine that someone couldn't come along and do something better at some point. Or that people will figure out that all of the functions of a myspace account already exist and work much better on the real web (gmail vs myspace mail?). I'm not saying not to use Myspace, I do use it, but I'm realistic about what it is and how long it's going to last. Also I've been a member since before there were film profiles and I can't see how I would convert my profile to a film profile if I wanted to. I dunno I admit it's kinda fun and fairly useful as far as networking goes. But I still don't see it lasting too long. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, filmmaker_lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill... Wouldn't you agree though with a membership of over 55 million it would seem to last a bit longer than just 15 minutes. It has an international membership that is continually growing. One advantage that it has over the aol community aspects is that it is constantly expanding and changing to allow for more focus within certain areas. I still think that you guys are caught up on the whole myspace when I was talking about the film specific side which is a great place for those looking to network. Someone spoke about maintaining an identity earlier in this discussion which seemed to be a slighting comment towards those who look to use it for that reason. This seems odd considering that all business see to maintain an identity thus the term branding is used so often and people pay huge amounts of money to ensure that they maintain that identity in the public arena. If you are looking to brand yourself within a community what better place to do that than in a place where that community is gathered together with the same focus in mind. Does it work? It must or else you wouldn't see all of the film festivals and filmmaking journals coming together to support the Myspace film side of the site and maintaining a presence on their as well. I personally think it is a solid place to brand yourself. Today I was approached by a writer of a European magazine to do an article on this doc that I'm working on. This writer approached me from my myspace account. This is the 2nd time that this has happened this week alone from there. Pretty cool in my opinion. I was also offered to be in a new film festival next year in Las Vegas off of my myspace account. They found me there via networking and contacted me and we spoke furthernext thing you know the conversation turned to something very positive. Sometimes things may start as one thing but can evolve to something that can be very beneficial to a certain community as myspace seems to be doing for indie filmmakers. Lynn Lane Coal River Pictures www.CoalRiverPictures email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] vlog: Docmaker on the Go www.docmaker.blogspot.com myspace: myspace.com/lynnlane coming soon: vlogumentarian.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter bill@ wrote: I look at myspace as kind of the Fad web. It's not the real web, it's a close aproximation of the web, but it's inside a box that's owned by someone. Myspace has recreated a lot of the functionality that exists on the real Web and made it simpler (and less functional) but combined them all into a simple interface. It's simply a package that somehow is slightly more useful than the some of it's parts to a lot of people. I predect it will be popular for another 15 minutes or so. Reminds me alot of the community aspects of the AOL of old. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote: Dave Toole recently asked his 16yr old daughter to explain why she finds MySpace so interesting. I asked him to vlog it and share it with us. He posted it tonight on ourmedia and our SpinFlow vlog http://outhink.blogs.com/spinflow/2006/02/why_is_myspace_.html Talk about market research. this is exactly what i needed to understand. I needed to SEE what a typical user likes about MySpace. Dave asked all the right questions. i guess MySpace provides what i hear a lot of bloggers want. who's watching me? how many friends do i have? we all want an audience. I know thats why i got involved in videoblogging. I just wanted to meet other people. but for whatever reason, MySpace still seems like a dead end. doesnt seem like it will last. I like to think that media we create will last...so it means something in the future. I wonder if MySpace has that kind of longevity. http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=1650209page=1 jay Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group,
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On 2/26/06, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldnt say it will be gone in 15 minutes, but using history as aguide something else will come along and steal its momentum. MySpace already took friendsters momentum...so you're right. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
Lynn Lane brought up interdependence. MySpace still has use especially with its user base. Something closed off in some respects (regulated) isn't necessarily bad for you. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah obviously I was joking about the 15 minutes thing. But I can't imagine that someone couldn't come along and do something better at some point. Or that people will figure out that all of the functions of a myspace account already exist and work much better on the real web (gmail vs myspace mail?). I'm not saying not to use Myspace, I do use it, but I'm realistic about what it is and how long it's going to last. Also I've been a member since before there were film profiles and I can't see how I would convert my profile to a film profile if I wanted to. I dunno I admit it's kinda fun and fairly useful as far as networking goes. But I still don't see it lasting too long. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, filmmaker_lynn lynnlane@ wrote: Bill... Wouldn't you agree though with a membership of over 55 million it would seem to last a bit longer than just 15 minutes. It has an international membership that is continually growing. One advantage that it has over the aol community aspects is that it is constantly expanding and changing to allow for more focus within certain areas. I still think that you guys are caught up on the whole myspace when I was talking about the film specific side which is a great place for those looking to network. Someone spoke about maintaining an identity earlier in this discussion which seemed to be a slighting comment towards those who look to use it for that reason. This seems odd considering that all business see to maintain an identity thus the term branding is used so often and people pay huge amounts of money to ensure that they maintain that identity in the public arena. If you are looking to brand yourself within a community what better place to do that than in a place where that community is gathered together with the same focus in mind. Does it work? It must or else you wouldn't see all of the film festivals and filmmaking journals coming together to support the Myspace film side of the site and maintaining a presence on their as well. I personally think it is a solid place to brand yourself. Today I was approached by a writer of a European magazine to do an article on this doc that I'm working on. This writer approached me from my myspace account. This is the 2nd time that this has happened this week alone from there. Pretty cool in my opinion. I was also offered to be in a new film festival next year in Las Vegas off of my myspace account. They found me there via networking and contacted me and we spoke furthernext thing you know the conversation turned to something very positive. Sometimes things may start as one thing but can evolve to something that can be very beneficial to a certain community as myspace seems to be doing for indie filmmakers. Lynn Lane Coal River Pictures www.CoalRiverPictures email: lynnlane@ vlog: Docmaker on the Go www.docmaker.blogspot.com myspace: myspace.com/lynnlane coming soon: vlogumentarian.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter bill@ wrote: I look at myspace as kind of the Fad web. It's not the real web, it's a close aproximation of the web, but it's inside a box that's owned by someone. Myspace has recreated a lot of the functionality that exists on the real Web and made it simpler (and less functional) but combined them all into a simple interface. It's simply a package that somehow is slightly more useful than the some of it's parts to a lot of people. I predect it will be popular for another 15 minutes or so. Reminds me alot of the community aspects of the AOL of old. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote: Dave Toole recently asked his 16yr old daughter to explain why she finds MySpace so interesting. I asked him to vlog it and share it with us. He posted it tonight on ourmedia and our SpinFlow vlog http://outhink.blogs.com/spinflow/2006/02/why_is_myspace_.html Talk about market research. this is exactly what i needed to understand. I needed to SEE what a typical user likes about MySpace. Dave asked all the right questions. i guess MySpace provides what i hear a lot of bloggers want. who's watching me? how many friends do i have? we all want an audience. I know thats why i got involved in videoblogging. I just wanted to meet other people. but for whatever reason, MySpace still seems like a dead end. doesnt seem like it will last. I like to think that
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
I tried four or five times yesterday, never got it to work. QA and usability both pretty much suck, documentation is non-existent (forums, but apparently no way to search them, and no knowledgebase), and help hard to find. I dunno, I guess teenagers are willing to put up with a lot to hang out with the cool kids. I'm willing to keep trying because I'm curious to see whether the networking benefits can also work for videobloggers, but am skeptical about the survival of the whole thing. If any ONE of these services would really get its act together on QA and UI, they might win the battle for mindshare. It wouldn't take much. The bar is awfully low right now. On 2/27/06, Caution Zero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nice... at the end of step 1, i am getting:Sorry! an unexpected error has occurred.This error has been forwarded to MySpace's technicalgroup.mmm, how i love it when major sites neglect qa... -scotto--- filmmaker_lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh... Here's the frontpage of it. http://music.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=film Lynn Lane Coal River Pictures website: www.CoalRiverPictures.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MySpace Page: http://myspace.com/lynnlane Vlogs: Docmaker on the Go vlog: http://docmaker.blogspot.com feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/docmaker Coming Soon: www.Vlogumentarian.com www.VlogReporter.com AIVF/IDA Ring 8 (Boxing Organization) Member Marshall Chess Club Member NYC --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone provide a direct link to this film side of MySpace? The best I can find is a forum topic discussion for filmmakers. -joshOn 2/26/06, johngaltsjournal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't wait!! I mean, I feel old enough already.Definitely time to stick a fork in me and take me off the grill;I'm done. All these little constructs we debate-- they already know.They make it naturally. schlomo http://schlomolog.blogspot.com http://vloggercon.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron andrew@ wrote: Another important consideration that people often overlook is thatthese young teenagers will soon be the leaders of the world. Very soon. On Feb 26, 2006, at 5:06 AM, Frank Carver wrote:Sunday, February 26, 2006, 2:39:39 AM, Jay dedman wrote: but for whatever reason, MySpace still seems like a dead end. doesn't seem like it will last. Yahoo! Groups Links --CHERUB - the vampire with bunny slippershttp://www.cautionzero.net/cherub/ __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection aroundhttp://mail.yahoo.comYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal) www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, filmmaker_lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was curious if any of you guys were on there? It's a great place actually to network and meet other people in the indie film world. Another online community waiting for you...haha. If you are, look me up: myspace.com/lynnlane Best, Lynn Lane Coal River Pictures www.CoalRiverPictures.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] vlog: Docmaker on the Go www.domaker.blogspot.com coming soon: www.vlogumentarian.com I just recently got on myspace and have looked around a little bit. I did notice some film groups particularly related to the Four Eyed Monsters film which I was looking at information on there. I'll look deaper at what's going on. BTW, I've initiated a event called IndieFilmCamp which may be of interest to you and others involved in indepedent film. It's a barcamp style event organizing on the wiki at http://barcamp.org/IndieFilmCamp . Feel free to add ideas, proposals, and yourself as camper there. The purpose at this point is: To introduce and involve the Independent Film community to the capabilites of net media for conversing with a developing audiences, and for syndicating, promoting and distributing works. ;), Enric -===- http://www.cirne.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
Jay, In the film part, it is set up for people to network and communicate with other people in the industry from festival people to filmmakers, editors, actors etc. It is just another avenue where people communicate. It also is a place that people use to brand themselves in a sense. Meeting others and getting others to know them and their work. When you have a community that is drawn together for a common goal, it is much easier to achieve that goal than on a standard blog where one has to hope that someone finds them. I think you see a lot of indie people on there with that strong desire to network, communicate etc. I have used it for casting, networking around this new doc that I'm shooting and it has been amazing actually from dealing with subjects, crew and actors on various projects. I've also been contacted for projects to collaborate on that are quite exciting. The blog itself isn't that much different than a normal blog except for the context that it exists within. This context is for networking and the blogs tend to be driven towards the project that you are working on. In the regular myspace world, not the film or the music, it's just a place where people are hooking up with old friends or new friends/dating potentials. All in all it is a pretty amazing concept that seems to be drawing a ton of attention obviously and has proven to be a great marketing tool for the music and film industry. Lynn Coal River Pictures www.CoalRiverPictures.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] vlog: Docmaker on the Go http://www.docmaker.blogspot.com coming soon: Vlogumentarian.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was curious if any of you guys were on there? It's a great place actually to network and meet other people in the indie film world. Another online community waiting for you...haha. If you are, look me up: myspace.com/lynnlane can someone enlighten me here. why is a myspace blog different from a regular blog? I see people at work making buddies...is it that part of it? becasue you connect to otrher MySpace people? Jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging http://www.momentshowing.net http://FireAnt.tv http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
Been to MySpace. Looked around at some MySpace sites. Wasnt impressed at all. What I saw was tons of sites with horribly designed pages. Music that autoplays on load. Garish colors and more goths than I can shake a stick at. The local news here in Minneapolis has done a couple spots about MySpace. None of them all that flattering. The whole MySpace impression I got was that of a bunch of teenagers making sites similar to the old Geocites sites back in the day. All in all, I'll stick to old regular websites. David http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, filmmaker_lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the regular myspace world, not the film or the music, it's just a place where people are hooking up with old friends or new friends/dating potentials. All in all it is a pretty amazing concept that seems to be drawing a ton of attention obviously and has proven to be a great marketing tool for the music and film industry. Lynn Coal River Pictures www.CoalRiverPictures.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] vlog: Docmaker on the Go http://www.docmaker.blogspot.com coming soon: Vlogumentarian.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote: I was curious if any of you guys were on there? It's a great place actually to network and meet other people in the indie film world. Another online community waiting for you...haha. If you are, look me up: myspace.com/lynnlane can someone enlighten me here. why is a myspace blog different from a regular blog? I see people at work making buddies...is it that part of it? becasue you connect to otrher MySpace people? Jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging http://www.momentshowing.net http://FireAnt.tv http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
yes, it is that, but it's more than that, due to the built in networking aspects, which, almost rss like, allow one to subscribe to friend's bulletins and blogs, aggregating effortlessly, and post multimedia responses, that in themselves multiply the network. joly The whole MySpace impression I got was that of a bunch of teenagers making sites similar to the old Geocites sites back in the day. --- WWWhatsup NYC http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com --- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
Myspace has succeeded in providing people with an online identity as a n easy messaging interface within the Myspace ecosystem. In doing this, they have grown astronomically. I heard a figure like 10% of all advertising on the web is on Myspace which almost floored me. So the traffic that one may receive on Myspace is undeniable. Indie bands and now idie filmmakers are using Myspace as a way to reach hundreds of thousands of people about their projects or work. What I think is yet to be seen is if this frenetic environment that Myspace has created will appeal to everyone. As people have said the geocities-like interface is immediately a turnoff for some. This blog actually articulates pretty well why you would NOT want to use Myspace http://blogs.stolenmixtape.com/mix/archives/2005/10/26/myspace-should-not-be-your-bands-only-web-presence/ I think Myspace is great for traffic, but you have very little control over your blog outside of layout. The traffic you direct to your profile is Myspace's traffic, some bloggers would like to some day make money on their blog, and Myspace will NEVER allow for users to monetize their profiles or anything in those profiles. Also Myspace is content is not open. There are no RSS feeds to profiles or content. So syndication outside of that environment is impossible. We saw earlier this year when Youtube started to grow, and the embedding of Youtube video grew on Myspace profiles, Myspace blocked the video embedding code. They only allowed the code again after Youtube and Myspace users wrote myspace about it. A few weeks later Myspace released their beta video offering. So as a content creator I can see why you would be attracted to the sheer scale of the Myspace network, but I would definitely be worried about Myspace controlling everything you can do within that network and your ability to ever montetize that. The average teen doesn't care about, but I think anyone who has content that matters would. David www.youare.tv Get your video out there. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, filmmaker_lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay, In the film part, it is set up for people to network and communicate with other people in the industry from festival people to filmmakers, editors, actors etc. It is just another avenue where people communicate. It also is a place that people use to brand themselves in a sense. Meeting others and getting others to know them and their work. When you have a community that is drawn together for a common goal, it is much easier to achieve that goal than on a standard blog where one has to hope that someone finds them. I think you see a lot of indie people on there with that strong desire to network, communicate etc. I have used it for casting, networking around this new doc that I'm shooting and it has been amazing actually from dealing with subjects, crew and actors on various projects. I've also been contacted for projects to collaborate on that are quite exciting. The blog itself isn't that much different than a normal blog except for the context that it exists within. This context is for networking and the blogs tend to be driven towards the project that you are working on. In the regular myspace world, not the film or the music, it's just a place where people are hooking up with old friends or new friends/dating potentials. All in all it is a pretty amazing concept that seems to be drawing a ton of attention obviously and has proven to be a great marketing tool for the music and film industry. Lynn Coal River Pictures www.CoalRiverPictures.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] vlog: Docmaker on the Go http://www.docmaker.blogspot.com coming soon: Vlogumentarian.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote: I was curious if any of you guys were on there? It's a great place actually to network and meet other people in the indie film world. Another online community waiting for you...haha. If you are, look me up: myspace.com/lynnlane can someone enlighten me here. why is a myspace blog different from a regular blog? I see people at work making buddies...is it that part of it? becasue you connect to otrher MySpace people? Jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging http://www.momentshowing.net http://FireAnt.tv http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Are any of you Vloggers on the Myspace Film side?
Don't know if MySpace will last or not, but the way the service brings tons of stuff together (blogging, buddies, pics, music, videoclips, etc.) is powerful and things like this, like Marc Cantor's dream of a digital lifestyle aggregator, are powerful and are the future. I'm frankly jealous of kids that have this at their fingertips. but for whatever reason, MySpace still seems like a dead end. doesnt seem like it will last. I like to think that media we create will last...so it means something in the future. I wonder if MySpace has that kind of longevity. http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=1650209page=1 jay Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
