[videoblogging] Re: Loren says this group should be ashamed
As a newbie in this group I somehow thought it would be more technical, unfortunately there's a lot of (unnecessary?) flaming going around some racist or whatever they are videos, while, for example, the post about movlogging with bluetooth remains with only two replies. OK, my bad if I expected something different. Sorry, I'm just being sincere. PS David, I'm posting below your reply 'cause I know you better than others, no other reasons. GoGen www.gogentv.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This group should be ashamed. It should be ashamed over what is happening to it right here with this discussion. The only thing I can say at this point about Feldman, Podtech, Scoble, AND this group as a whole with the infighting is *pt* David
[videoblogging] Re: Loren says this group should be ashamed
Sometimes we are geeky. Sometimes we are human. Then there is that nerd contingency. Sometimes we have to deal with what is presented before us the best way we can. Or the worst way we can. We eventually come back to center point. If you stroll our past history you'll notice we talk about everything that relates to vlogging with some interesting side trips along the way. Hang in there, there will be a discussion about updating a standard USB memory stick for wi-fi transmission to a movlog any day now. Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, gogen001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a newbie in this group I somehow thought it would be more technical, unfortunately there's a lot of (unnecessary?) flaming going around some racist or whatever they are videos, while, for example, the post about movlogging with bluetooth remains with only two replies. OK, my bad if I expected something different. Sorry, I'm just being sincere. PS David, I'm posting below your reply 'cause I know you better than others, no other reasons. GoGen www.gogentv.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: This group should be ashamed. It should be ashamed over what is happening to it right here with this discussion. The only thing I can say at this point about Feldman, Podtech, Scoble, AND this group as a whole with the infighting is *pt* David
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Loren says this group should be ashamed
This list does discuss technology a lot. And some questions get more replies / better answers than others. The discussion about said racist video is important, I believe. The discussion started with several people saying hey, it's ok. The video isn't funny, but whatever, it was cool / and other people countered with no, it's not ok. It's racist and let's say so. And then a lot of people had a lot to say. People debated 'What is censorship?'... What is feeding the trolls... What were the motivations of the person who made the video What does racism look like in the 21st century?... and yes, discussions like this can get very hard to watch especially when we are talking about racism in the United States (land of the free / home of the brave). I like discussions like these, messy as they are, because the debate asks the people who are participating it in to think. To think about what they think, notice it, attempt to articulate it. It is rare to get a chance to think about and talk about racism in our culture(s) and yet, social dynamics like the ones that have been discussed dominate our lives (including censorship / power / money / etc) and affect most everything going on around us. It is important to talk about racism in the U.S./U.K. and elsewhere. If it's not talked about, it goes unchecked, passed on from person to person. Congrats on your videoblog! David Howell just pointed me over to it the other day, and I've been watching all your videos with great interest. I spent a month in Croatia, Serbia and Bosnia last summer, and a month the summer before, working on a multimedia opera about Nikola Tesla. I feel a strong connection to Belgrade and Croatia now, and have many friends there. I know ethnicity / nationality has played a huge role in what life is like in the former Yugoslavia for the last 10-15 years. Maybe that's why you really don't want this list to be going on and on about race-based tensions. While it may sound like people are angry with each other the debate in the U.S. does not carry with it the nationalism that could start a war. That war ended in 1865, and while we haven't completely gotten over it, there not been any movement to restart it for about three decades now. And this discussion will end in a week or so. And we'll start debating something else with a lot of controversy usually talking about advertising or Hollywood business models gets things going. ;-) Read the list email in a program / environment that sorts things into threads, and then delete all the email from any discussion that you don't want to be part of without having to read any of it. Two thousand emails a month are too many for most all of us. And keep posting your technical questions! Somebody answer GoGen's questions! Rupert is really one of the people who get movlogging. zdravo, Jen On Aug 8, 2007, at 8:09 am, gogen001 wrote: As a newbie in this group I somehow thought it would be more technical, unfortunately there's a lot of (unnecessary?) flaming going around some racist or whatever they are videos, while, for example, the post about movlogging with bluetooth remains with only two replies. OK, my bad if I expected something different. Sorry, I'm just being sincere. PS David, I'm posting below your reply 'cause I know you better than others, no other reasons. GoGen www.gogentv.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This group should be ashamed. It should be ashamed over what is happening to it right here with this discussion. The only thing I can say at this point about Feldman, Podtech, Scoble, AND this group as a whole with the infighting is *pt* David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Loren says this group should be ashamed
I echo what Jen said, but I also wanted to tell you that there's a lot of us in Europe who have been discussing and are very excited about your Vlog, GoGen! We're glad you're here! On 08/08/2007, Jen Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list does discuss technology a lot. And some questions get more replies / better answers than others. The discussion about said racist video is important, I believe. The discussion started with several people saying hey, it's ok. The video isn't funny, but whatever, it was cool / and other people countered with no, it's not ok. It's racist and let's say so. And then a lot of people had a lot to say. People debated 'What is censorship?'... What is feeding the trolls... What were the motivations of the person who made the video What does racism look like in the 21st century?... and yes, discussions like this can get very hard to watch especially when we are talking about racism in the United States (land of the free / home of the brave). I like discussions like these, messy as they are, because the debate asks the people who are participating it in to think. To think about what they think, notice it, attempt to articulate it. It is rare to get a chance to think about and talk about racism in our culture(s) and yet, social dynamics like the ones that have been discussed dominate our lives (including censorship / power / money / etc) and affect most everything going on around us. It is important to talk about racism in the U.S./U.K. and elsewhere. If it's not talked about, it goes unchecked, passed on from person to person. Congrats on your videoblog! David Howell just pointed me over to it the other day, and I've been watching all your videos with great interest. I spent a month in Croatia, Serbia and Bosnia last summer, and a month the summer before, working on a multimedia opera about Nikola Tesla. I feel a strong connection to Belgrade and Croatia now, and have many friends there. I know ethnicity / nationality has played a huge role in what life is like in the former Yugoslavia for the last 10-15 years. Maybe that's why you really don't want this list to be going on and on about race-based tensions. While it may sound like people are angry with each other the debate in the U.S. does not carry with it the nationalism that could start a war. That war ended in 1865, and while we haven't completely gotten over it, there not been any movement to restart it for about three decades now. And this discussion will end in a week or so. And we'll start debating something else with a lot of controversy usually talking about advertising or Hollywood business models gets things going. ;-) Read the list email in a program / environment that sorts things into threads, and then delete all the email from any discussion that you don't want to be part of without having to read any of it. Two thousand emails a month are too many for most all of us. And keep posting your technical questions! Somebody answer GoGen's questions! Rupert is really one of the people who get movlogging. zdravo, Jen On Aug 8, 2007, at 8:09 am, gogen001 wrote: As a newbie in this group I somehow thought it would be more technical, unfortunately there's a lot of (unnecessary?) flaming going around some racist or whatever they are videos, while, for example, the post about movlogging with bluetooth remains with only two replies. OK, my bad if I expected something different. Sorry, I'm just being sincere. PS David, I'm posting below your reply 'cause I know you better than others, no other reasons. GoGen www.gogentv.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This group should be ashamed. It should be ashamed over what is happening to it right here with this discussion. The only thing I can say at this point about Feldman, Podtech, Scoble, AND this group as a whole with the infighting is *pt* David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Loren says this group should be ashamed
OK, here's an idea... --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jen Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The discussion about said racist video is important, I believe. The discussion started with several people saying hey, it's ok. The video isn't funny, but whatever, it was cool / and other people I agree, but I see it as only ONE person profiting about this - the author of the video who received huge propaganda. There are so many racist and similar videos out there so, to make a point, it would be better for all of us here to make OUR OWN *FIGHT RACISM* video and post it. How? Each of us can record a word or two, whatever, then someone could put it all together and such video would be the strongest message on the forum. So, let this be my official newbie-videoblogger proposal to... well, whoever is in charge here :-) Congrats on your videoblog! David Howell just pointed me over to it interest. I spent a month in Croatia, Serbia and Bosnia last summer, Thanks to you, to David and glad you visited my country! and have many friends there. I know ethnicity / nationality has played a huge role in what life is like in the former Yugoslavia for the last 10-15 years. Maybe that's why you really don't want this list to be going on and on about race-based tensions. True. Maybe deep inside I want to be somewhere where ethnicity or colour is not important but I always bump into this. zdravo, Jen Zdravo, LOL GoGen www.gogentv.com
[videoblogging] Re: Loren says this group should be ashamed
The day after I saw Feldmans video, I made a fight racism video in response. A little obscure but it made it's point. I have been a victim of racism all my life and have stood up and said something in one way or another. http://www.taoofdavid.com/2007/08/06/fight-racism/ Feldman said no one made anything in response to what he called his social experiment. People responding on his site are calling me a loser. *meh* Whateva.. Unsurprisingly my video has gone largely unnoticed and ignored. Power in numbers is the answer? Power from more influential media makers than I? I dont know? I am only one with very small viewer numbers. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, gogen001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, here's an idea... --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jen Simmons jensimmons@ wrote: The discussion about said racist video is important, I believe. The discussion started with several people saying hey, it's ok. The video isn't funny, but whatever, it was cool / and other people I agree, but I see it as only ONE person profiting about this - the author of the video who received huge propaganda. There are so many racist and similar videos out there so, to make a point, it would be better for all of us here to make OUR OWN *FIGHT RACISM* video and post it. How? Each of us can record a word or two, whatever, then someone could put it all together and such video would be the strongest message on the forum. So, let this be my official newbie-videoblogger proposal to... well, whoever is in charge here :-) Congrats on your videoblog! David Howell just pointed me over to it interest. I spent a month in Croatia, Serbia and Bosnia last summer, Thanks to you, to David and glad you visited my country! and have many friends there. I know ethnicity / nationality has played a huge role in what life is like in the former Yugoslavia for the last 10-15 years. Maybe that's why you really don't want this list to be going on and on about race-based tensions. True. Maybe deep inside I want to be somewhere where ethnicity or colour is not important but I always bump into this. zdravo, Jen Zdravo, LOL GoGen www.gogentv.com
[videoblogging] Re: Loren says this group should be ashamed
Loren who? What are you talking about? Is Loren a group troll or something? What did I miss? Why should we care what this Loren that you speak of thinks, says or does? Is he in charge of something? What makes him relevant? Seriously, are we really gonna talk about every fool with an opinion that says something stupid in a video? Why should we care? Youtube is full of nutcases with webcams saying stupid shit. Are we gonna talk about all of them too? Don't feed the trolls. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In his latest video, Loren provides a sort-of-explanation about his recent videos, and then launches a scathing attack on this group. Complains about: Groupthink Nobody emailing him Nobody making a video about it or taking other action, all talk Not having any balls People trying to get podtech to censor him. Now personally I have a trackrecord of talking about groupthink here, and sometimes going against the grain. I therefore share some of his concerns about this stuff, but I am rather unsure of the specifics of what he was trying to prove, Im not sure Ive learnt anything new so I resent his suggestion that he has proved something to the gullible herd. He talks of the potential of what social media could really be used for, but doesnt go into any detail, so I am left guessing as to whether he means the same sorts of things I feel are possible, and often complain arent really happening. Persoanally I freely admit to having no balls, and of being mostly all talk, and rarely making videos, so those complaints dont bother me, but are probably unfair to a lot of other people here. And I think this whole thing was a pretty crappy example of groupthink. Not everybody here has expressed the same opinion by a long shot, and I think there have been much better examples of groupthink in the past. The best examples of groupthink Ive seen are when everyone jumps on a bandwagon and starts attacking something without learning the facts first, its happened here to one degree or another in the past. But the thing with Feldmans video was that watching the video was about the only fact available. I take his point that maybe some people could of thought to ask him, if they wanted to form their own independent conclusions, but with something like this does someone really need to do anything other than watch the video to form an opinion? I would guess that not everybody here wants podtech to censor him, I certainly dont, and therefore I dont think its a great example of groupthink at all. Especially as numerous people have made lengthy posts where they ponder his motives, whether he was using it to make some other point, so how can he claim that everybody fell for it? Just because the group may seem to Feldman to be one large mash of people with a collective stupid brain, doesnt make it so, if he is too lazy to look at the subtle differences in peoples opinions then pah. Its the same phenomenon as racism really isnt it, lumping everyone together under one label in the mind? Cheers Steve Elbows
[videoblogging] Re: Loren says this group should be ashamed
Well that attitude would certainly save a lot of time, and would also counteract the fact that this hole thing does seem to be a deliberate publicity stunt, possibly. But as we've been talking about this on the group for days, I thought Id draw attention to the fact he's finally got round to offering more context, and attacked this group to boot. Bu yeah personally if Id been the only person who saw his technigga video, I doubt Id have mentioned it here, try to resist attention seeking behaviour of all kinds, not always easy. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Loren who? What are you talking about? Is Loren a group troll or something? What did I miss? Why should we care what this Loren that you speak of thinks, says or does? Is he in charge of something? What makes him relevant? Seriously, are we really gonna talk about every fool with an opinion that says something stupid in a video? Why should we care? Youtube is full of nutcases with webcams saying stupid shit. Are we gonna talk about all of them too? Don't feed the trolls. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net
[videoblogging] Re: Loren says this group should be ashamed
Yes that's my point. I really don't understand all the attention that he got from this group to begin with. He's a link bater and a troll. He says stupid shit to get attention and that doesn't require a lot of creativity or skill. I think we can all agree that certain words are offensive. No need to give undue attention to those that use them just to get attention. It's sorta like replying to a spam email, and we all know not to do that. (I hope!) The only way to hurt a troll is to ignore it. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well that attitude would certainly save a lot of time, and would also counteract the fact that this hole thing does seem to be a deliberate publicity stunt, possibly. But as we've been talking about this on the group for days, I thought Id draw attention to the fact he's finally got round to offering more context, and attacked this group to boot. Bu yeah personally if Id been the only person who saw his technigga video, I doubt Id have mentioned it here, try to resist attention seeking behaviour of all kinds, not always easy. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter bill@ wrote: Loren who? What are you talking about? Is Loren a group troll or something? What did I miss? Why should we care what this Loren that you speak of thinks, says or does? Is he in charge of something? What makes him relevant? Seriously, are we really gonna talk about every fool with an opinion that says something stupid in a video? Why should we care? Youtube is full of nutcases with webcams saying stupid shit. Are we gonna talk about all of them too? Don't feed the trolls. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net
[videoblogging] Re: Loren says this group should be ashamed
I just spoke with John Furrier at Podtech. The only possible thing to conclude from my call with John is that he is in full support of Loren's offensive comments. He not only declined to comment on his own position but said that other media had been deemed offensive because of the length of the videos. Huh? Podtech has apparently already played their cards to support Loren as evidenced by the latest on the 1938 media site: Special Thanks to Podtech for supporting artists rights, and freedom from censorship. Nice. Clearly the real work starts now. One less black tech blogger in this group. Out. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes that's my point. I really don't understand all the attention that he got from this group to begin with. He's a link bater and a troll. He says stupid shit to get attention and that doesn't require a lot of creativity or skill. I think we can all agree that certain words are offensive. No need to give undue attention to those that use them just to get attention. It's sorta like replying to a spam email, and we all know not to do that. (I hope!) The only way to hurt a troll is to ignore it. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Well that attitude would certainly save a lot of time, and would also counteract the fact that this hole thing does seem to be a deliberate publicity stunt, possibly. But as we've been talking about this on the group for days, I thought Id draw attention to the fact he's finally got round to offering more context, and attacked this group to boot. Bu yeah personally if Id been the only person who saw his technigga video, I doubt Id have mentioned it here, try to resist attention seeking behaviour of all kinds, not always easy. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter bill@ wrote: Loren who? What are you talking about? Is Loren a group troll or something? What did I miss? Why should we care what this Loren that you speak of thinks, says or does? Is he in charge of something? What makes him relevant? Seriously, are we really gonna talk about every fool with an opinion that says something stupid in a video? Why should we care? Youtube is full of nutcases with webcams saying stupid shit. Are we gonna talk about all of them too? Don't feed the trolls. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net
[videoblogging] Re: Loren says this group should be ashamed
Thanks for letting us know. Im saddened that it sounds like you are going to leave this group, to be honest I dont understand why. The group has people with different opinions on most things, and it is not exactly the podtech supporters group, so I dont really understand why leaving is part of the solution for you? As for John Furrier and what Podtech do, I have a pre-existing unlove for podtech which probably affects my opinion. I have incredibly mixed feelings on the whole issue of what is an appropriate response. When this happens in big media, the safe option is usually to ditch the offender. There will always be some people who have been real offended, and demand action. Some will be largely indifferent. And others will think that any action is an over-reaction. At a bare minimum Id say podtech have to do a better job of explaining and justifying Loren's video than he has thus far managed himself, and whatever happens we've all made our own personal judgements about this sort of video. They dont have to censor him for damage to have been done, and those whose instincts may be to support freedom of expression, are not helped by the confusing justification for the video. This can then spiral into people who have been offended, feeling like others are siding with the offender instead of the victim, not giving enough support, tacitly supporting ignorant attitudes etc. Now the waters are also being muddied via Lorens explanation for his videos. I have yet to form an opinion on his intent, he's suggesting that he's demonstrated a lot of important thinngs but Im not convinced, and I cant get away from the fact that real people have been genuinely hurt by this stuff, in what seems like either an exercise to demonstrate things humanity already knows, or a lousy publicity stunt. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, marforton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just spoke with John Furrier at Podtech. The only possible thing to conclude from my call with John is that he is in full support of Loren's offensive comments. He not only declined to comment on his own position but said that other media had been deemed offensive because of the length of the videos. Huh? Podtech has apparently already played their cards to support Loren as evidenced by the latest on the 1938 media site: Special Thanks to Podtech for supporting artists rights, and freedom from censorship. Nice. Clearly the real work starts now. One less black tech blogger in this group. Out. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter bill@ wrote: Yes that's my point. I really don't understand all the attention that he got from this group to begin with. He's a link bater and a troll. He says stupid shit to get attention and that doesn't require a lot of creativity or skill. I think we can all agree that certain words are offensive. No need to give undue attention to those that use them just to get attention. It's sorta like replying to a spam email, and we all know not to do that. (I hope!) The only way to hurt a troll is to ignore it. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Well that attitude would certainly save a lot of time, and would also counteract the fact that this hole thing does seem to be a deliberate publicity stunt, possibly. But as we've been talking about this on the group for days, I thought Id draw attention to the fact he's finally got round to offering more context, and attacked this group to boot. Bu yeah personally if Id been the only person who saw his technigga video, I doubt Id have mentioned it here, try to resist attention seeking behaviour of all kinds, not always easy. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter bill@ wrote: Loren who? What are you talking about? Is Loren a group troll or something? What did I miss? Why should we care what this Loren that you speak of thinks, says or does? Is he in charge of something? What makes him relevant? Seriously, are we really gonna talk about every fool with an opinion that says something stupid in a video? Why should we care? Youtube is full of nutcases with webcams saying stupid shit. Are we gonna talk about all of them too? Don't feed the trolls. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Loren says this group should be ashamed
marforton wrote: Nice. Clearly the real work starts now. One less black tech blogger in this group. Out. Who's that?
[videoblogging] Re: Loren says this group should be ashamed
Dude, what good does dropping out of this group do? If you are outraged about Loren's video, what about the one I posted a few minutes ago? How about this one? http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/330/video.html or this ... http://www.antiwar.com/avnery/?articleid=11408 See any parallels in arming a region and easy access to guns in economicaly depressed areas here in the states? Fair and Balanced Fox news network is a daily wink wink nudge nudge offender. Written to them to voice outrage about homosexuals, jews, blacks? Still don't see why PodTech is getting heat on this. What camera did Loren use to shoot it on? We need to ensure people like Loren do not use that camera to record on. It may look like I am singling you out. But I found this statement as ill-conceived as your finding of the original video. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, marforton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just spoke with John Furrier at Podtech. The only possible thing to conclude from my call with John is that he is in full support of Loren's offensive comments. He not only declined to comment on his own position but said that other media had been deemed offensive because of the length of the videos. Huh? Podtech has apparently already played their cards to support Loren as evidenced by the latest on the 1938 media site: Special Thanks to Podtech for supporting artists rights, and freedom from censorship. Nice. Clearly the real work starts now. One less black tech blogger in this group. Out. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter bill@ wrote: Yes that's my point. I really don't understand all the attention that he got from this group to begin with. He's a link bater and a troll. He says stupid shit to get attention and that doesn't require a lot of creativity or skill. I think we can all agree that certain words are offensive. No need to give undue attention to those that use them just to get attention. It's sorta like replying to a spam email, and we all know not to do that. (I hope!) The only way to hurt a troll is to ignore it. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Well that attitude would certainly save a lot of time, and would also counteract the fact that this hole thing does seem to be a deliberate publicity stunt, possibly. But as we've been talking about this on the group for days, I thought Id draw attention to the fact he's finally got round to offering more context, and attacked this group to boot. Bu yeah personally if Id been the only person who saw his technigga video, I doubt Id have mentioned it here, try to resist attention seeking behaviour of all kinds, not always easy. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter bill@ wrote: Loren who? What are you talking about? Is Loren a group troll or something? What did I miss? Why should we care what this Loren that you speak of thinks, says or does? Is he in charge of something? What makes him relevant? Seriously, are we really gonna talk about every fool with an opinion that says something stupid in a video? Why should we care? Youtube is full of nutcases with webcams saying stupid shit. Are we gonna talk about all of them too? Don't feed the trolls. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net
[videoblogging] Re: Loren says this group should be ashamed
Waitwaitwait... Loren posted a video with zero context, allegedly expecting a conversation to break out -- and when it did, he accuses the group having that conversation of being shameful for not reaching out to engage him directly? Wait... would that be like... Loren making a video about black / hip-hop culture, in which he makes statements free of context, instead of reaching out to the black / hip-hop community to ask his questions? But I But I... Man, the screams for attention from some people are so loud, I believe we can all be forgiven for becoming numb to their noises...
[videoblogging] Re: Loren says this group should be ashamed
Loren Feldman should be ashamed. He can't though, shame is not apparent in his makeup. He shows the traits of a sociopath, now saying that his attempt at humor was part of a grand scheme. It was unfunny, ugly, and racist. He put shit out, and got flies. Now all the snickering folks in his comments can feel vindicated and free...it was just a soap, after all. No, it wasn't. It was a man with nothing really to say attacking whoever can make him feel good. If Podtech pulled the plug, it would not be censorship. Are they trying now to be edgie? Is this the Steve Gilmor influence? If Loren wants to do an experiment, rent a server, do what you want. If Podtech wants to stand by this, they are condoning this piece. well, that is sad. I had hoped for better. Again, where is Podtech's stance on this? The only voice has been from Robert Scoble, who says that he disagrees with it. Where is the statement of record? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In his latest video, Loren provides a sort-of-explanation about his recent videos, and then launches a scathing attack on this group. Complains about: Groupthink Nobody emailing him Nobody making a video about it or taking other action, all talk Not having any balls People trying to get podtech to censor him. Now personally I have a trackrecord of talking about groupthink here, and sometimes going against the grain. I therefore share some of his concerns about this stuff, but I am rather unsure of the specifics of what he was trying to prove, Im not sure Ive learnt anything new so I resent his suggestion that he has proved something to the gullible herd. He talks of the potential of what social media could really be used for, but doesnt go into any detail, so I am left guessing as to whether he means the same sorts of things I feel are possible, and often complain arent really happening. Persoanally I freely admit to having no balls, and of being mostly all talk, and rarely making videos, so those complaints dont bother me, but are probably unfair to a lot of other people here. And I think this whole thing was a pretty crappy example of groupthink. Not everybody here has expressed the same opinion by a long shot, and I think there have been much better examples of groupthink in the past. The best examples of groupthink Ive seen are when everyone jumps on a bandwagon and starts attacking something without learning the facts first, its happened here to one degree or another in the past. But the thing with Feldmans video was that watching the video was about the only fact available. I take his point that maybe some people could of thought to ask him, if they wanted to form their own independent conclusions, but with something like this does someone really need to do anything other than watch the video to form an opinion? I would guess that not everybody here wants podtech to censor him, I certainly dont, and therefore I dont think its a great example of groupthink at all. Especially as numerous people have made lengthy posts where they ponder his motives, whether he was using it to make some other point, so how can he claim that everybody fell for it? Just because the group may seem to Feldman to be one large mash of people with a collective stupid brain, doesnt make it so, if he is too lazy to look at the subtle differences in peoples opinions then pah. Its the same phenomenon as racism really isnt it, lumping everyone together under one label in the mind? Cheers Steve Elbows
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Sorry to hear that you consider yourself out. And sorry to hear about your phone call with John Furrier. He never returned mine. Loren Feldman is not an artist in my view. He is a destructive person who is now taking Podtech with him. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, marforton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just spoke with John Furrier at Podtech. The only possible thing to conclude from my call with John is that he is in full support of Loren's offensive comments. He not only declined to comment on his own position but said that other media had been deemed offensive because of the length of the videos. Huh? Podtech has apparently already played their cards to support Loren as evidenced by the latest on the 1938 media site: Special Thanks to Podtech for supporting artists rights, and freedom from censorship. Nice. Clearly the real work starts now. One less black tech blogger in this group. Out. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter bill@ wrote: Yes that's my point. I really don't understand all the attention that he got from this group to begin with. He's a link bater and a troll. He says stupid shit to get attention and that doesn't require a lot of creativity or skill. I think we can all agree that certain words are offensive. No need to give undue attention to those that use them just to get attention. It's sorta like replying to a spam email, and we all know not to do that. (I hope!) The only way to hurt a troll is to ignore it. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Well that attitude would certainly save a lot of time, and would also counteract the fact that this hole thing does seem to be a deliberate publicity stunt, possibly. But as we've been talking about this on the group for days, I thought Id draw attention to the fact he's finally got round to offering more context, and attacked this group to boot. Bu yeah personally if Id been the only person who saw his technigga video, I doubt Id have mentioned it here, try to resist attention seeking behaviour of all kinds, not always easy. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter bill@ wrote: Loren who? What are you talking about? Is Loren a group troll or something? What did I miss? Why should we care what this Loren that you speak of thinks, says or does? Is he in charge of something? What makes him relevant? Seriously, are we really gonna talk about every fool with an opinion that says something stupid in a video? Why should we care? Youtube is full of nutcases with webcams saying stupid shit. Are we gonna talk about all of them too? Don't feed the trolls. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net
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C'mon Bill, who are you kidding. 1938media has billing above you at Podtech, a private media company and network with sponsors and shows. You are in there eating with the trolls. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Loren who? What are you talking about? Is Loren a group troll or something? What did I miss? Why should we care what this Loren that you speak of thinks, says or does? Is he in charge of something? What makes him relevant? Seriously, are we really gonna talk about every fool with an opinion that says something stupid in a video? Why should we care? Youtube is full of nutcases with webcams saying stupid shit. Are we gonna talk about all of them too? Don't feed the trolls. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: In his latest video, Loren provides a sort-of-explanation about his recent videos, and then launches a scathing attack on this group. Complains about: Groupthink Nobody emailing him Nobody making a video about it or taking other action, all talk Not having any balls People trying to get podtech to censor him. Now personally I have a trackrecord of talking about groupthink here, and sometimes going against the grain. I therefore share some of his concerns about this stuff, but I am rather unsure of the specifics of what he was trying to prove, Im not sure Ive learnt anything new so I resent his suggestion that he has proved something to the gullible herd. He talks of the potential of what social media could really be used for, but doesnt go into any detail, so I am left guessing as to whether he means the same sorts of things I feel are possible, and often complain arent really happening. Persoanally I freely admit to having no balls, and of being mostly all talk, and rarely making videos, so those complaints dont bother me, but are probably unfair to a lot of other people here. And I think this whole thing was a pretty crappy example of groupthink. Not everybody here has expressed the same opinion by a long shot, and I think there have been much better examples of groupthink in the past. The best examples of groupthink Ive seen are when everyone jumps on a bandwagon and starts attacking something without learning the facts first, its happened here to one degree or another in the past. But the thing with Feldmans video was that watching the video was about the only fact available. I take his point that maybe some people could of thought to ask him, if they wanted to form their own independent conclusions, but with something like this does someone really need to do anything other than watch the video to form an opinion? I would guess that not everybody here wants podtech to censor him, I certainly dont, and therefore I dont think its a great example of groupthink at all. Especially as numerous people have made lengthy posts where they ponder his motives, whether he was using it to make some other point, so how can he claim that everybody fell for it? Just because the group may seem to Feldman to be one large mash of people with a collective stupid brain, doesnt make it so, if he is too lazy to look at the subtle differences in peoples opinions then pah. Its the same phenomenon as racism really isnt it, lumping everyone together under one label in the mind? Cheers Steve Elbows
[videoblogging] Re: Loren says this group should be ashamed
Hi Steve, When you use the word censorship to describe Podtech being responsible and cutting Loren loose, that is misleading. Loren Feldman has the right to say what he wants to say. Podtech has the responsibility for its programming. I have a responsibility and freedom to express what I do. No one has suggested that he doesn't shoot or say that he wants to. However, I do suggest that Podtech is condoning this poison, putting their brand on it, and yes, I want to see it gone from their site. I say this because in my view Podtech means something, has a code, and a responsibility. Of course, that is my view, and only through friendship with the company. Now, however, I am disappointed in their behavior, and it disheartens me. It's been great to read your comments. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for letting us know. Im saddened that it sounds like you are going to leave this group, to be honest I dont understand why. The group has people with different opinions on most things, and it is not exactly the podtech supporters group, so I dont really understand why leaving is part of the solution for you? As for John Furrier and what Podtech do, I have a pre-existing unlove for podtech which probably affects my opinion. I have incredibly mixed feelings on the whole issue of what is an appropriate response. When this happens in big media, the safe option is usually to ditch the offender. There will always be some people who have been real offended, and demand action. Some will be largely indifferent. And others will think that any action is an over-reaction. At a bare minimum Id say podtech have to do a better job of explaining and justifying Loren's video than he has thus far managed himself, and whatever happens we've all made our own personal judgements about this sort of video. They dont have to censor him for damage to have been done, and those whose instincts may be to support freedom of expression, are not helped by the confusing justification for the video. This can then spiral into people who have been offended, feeling like others are siding with the offender instead of the victim, not giving enough support, tacitly supporting ignorant attitudes etc. Now the waters are also being muddied via Lorens explanation for his videos. I have yet to form an opinion on his intent, he's suggesting that he's demonstrated a lot of important thinngs but Im not convinced, and I cant get away from the fact that real people have been genuinely hurt by this stuff, in what seems like either an exercise to demonstrate things humanity already knows, or a lousy publicity stunt. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, marforton marforton@ wrote: I just spoke with John Furrier at Podtech. The only possible thing to conclude from my call with John is that he is in full support of Loren's offensive comments. He not only declined to comment on his own position but said that other media had been deemed offensive because of the length of the videos. Huh? Podtech has apparently already played their cards to support Loren as evidenced by the latest on the 1938 media site: Special Thanks to Podtech for supporting artists rights, and freedom from censorship. Nice. Clearly the real work starts now. One less black tech blogger in this group. Out. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter bill@ wrote: Yes that's my point. I really don't understand all the attention that he got from this group to begin with. He's a link bater and a troll. He says stupid shit to get attention and that doesn't require a lot of creativity or skill. I think we can all agree that certain words are offensive. No need to give undue attention to those that use them just to get attention. It's sorta like replying to a spam email, and we all know not to do that. (I hope!) The only way to hurt a troll is to ignore it. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: Well that attitude would certainly save a lot of time, and would also counteract the fact that this hole thing does seem to be a deliberate publicity stunt, possibly. But as we've been talking about this on the group for days, I thought Id draw attention to the fact he's finally got round to offering more context, and attacked this group to boot. Bu yeah personally if Id been the only person who saw his technigga video, I doubt Id have mentioned it here, try to resist attention seeking behaviour of all kinds, not always easy. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter bill@ wrote: Loren who? What are you talking about? Is Loren a group troll or
[videoblogging] Re: Loren says this group should be ashamed
Dude, you have no idea what Bill Streeter believes, I know Bill, I don't know you but you are certainly using this thing with Loren to be vocal, after you changed your mind I might addyou are more fake than Loren Heath --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, danielmcvicar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C'mon Bill, who are you kidding. 1938media has billing above you at Podtech, a private media company and network with sponsors and shows. You are in there eating with the trolls. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter bill@ wrote: Loren who? What are you talking about? Is Loren a group troll or something? What did I miss? Why should we care what this Loren that you speak of thinks, says or does? Is he in charge of something? What makes him relevant? Seriously, are we really gonna talk about every fool with an opinion that says something stupid in a video? Why should we care? Youtube is full of nutcases with webcams saying stupid shit. Are we gonna talk about all of them too? Don't feed the trolls. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: In his latest video, Loren provides a sort-of-explanation about his recent videos, and then launches a scathing attack on this group. Complains about: Groupthink Nobody emailing him Nobody making a video about it or taking other action, all talk Not having any balls People trying to get podtech to censor him. Now personally I have a trackrecord of talking about groupthink here, and sometimes going against the grain. I therefore share some of his concerns about this stuff, but I am rather unsure of the specifics of what he was trying to prove, Im not sure Ive learnt anything new so I resent his suggestion that he has proved something to the gullible herd. He talks of the potential of what social media could really be used for, but doesnt go into any detail, so I am left guessing as to whether he means the same sorts of things I feel are possible, and often complain arent really happening. Persoanally I freely admit to having no balls, and of being mostly all talk, and rarely making videos, so those complaints dont bother me, but are probably unfair to a lot of other people here. And I think this whole thing was a pretty crappy example of groupthink. Not everybody here has expressed the same opinion by a long shot, and I think there have been much better examples of groupthink in the past. The best examples of groupthink Ive seen are when everyone jumps on a bandwagon and starts attacking something without learning the facts first, its happened here to one degree or another in the past. But the thing with Feldmans video was that watching the video was about the only fact available. I take his point that maybe some people could of thought to ask him, if they wanted to form their own independent conclusions, but with something like this does someone really need to do anything other than watch the video to form an opinion? I would guess that not everybody here wants podtech to censor him, I certainly dont, and therefore I dont think its a great example of groupthink at all. Especially as numerous people have made lengthy posts where they ponder his motives, whether he was using it to make some other point, so how can he claim that everybody fell for it? Just because the group may seem to Feldman to be one large mash of people with a collective stupid brain, doesnt make it so, if he is too lazy to look at the subtle differences in peoples opinions then pah. Its the same phenomenon as racism really isnt it, lumping everyone together under one label in the mind? Cheers Steve Elbows
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oh, this is just beyond retarded. This whole shebang. From soup to nuts. Sure, I watched the original video in question. I even watched some prior posts to figure out if there was some kind of supporting context. Like every episode I skewer a different group and I'm totally not funny about it. I didn't really see evidence of that, so I simply directed myself to the comments section and basically called him an as*hole. He lowered himself, and so did I. For the record, I think part of the trouble with all of this is that he's interpreting the word racist as if it only refers to the type of people who put burning crosses on people's lawns. It doesn't. Clearly this is lost on Loren. I don't believe for one second that this was an experiment. For him to post that racist bulls*it then wait around to see people's reactions and turn around and say haha! See! You fell into my trap! is both juvenile and insulting. And he's calling folks who didn't think it was funny pathetic? He's bitching about no one emailing him? He's so proud he started the conversation and is pissy about no one emailing him? Or making a response video? I briefly considered making one, then I realized that making a video where I say hi, Loren, remember me? I called you an as*hole? I STILL think your an ass*hole is totally without value. It does nothing for me, and he couldn't care less. Why should I bother? He can whine all he wants about no one else having balls but him. The balls to do WHAT, exactly? Post drivel? He can bitch about everyone on this list being all talk, but does he have any real suggestions? No. What the hell is he talking about, anyway? This was no sincere apology. If it was, it wouldn't be stuck in the middle of a rant about f-ing Facebook widgets (did a Facebook widget drown his pet kitten? He has a lot of rage about widgets). The only thing more vile than this whole Black Tech Blogger Internet Opera bulls*it were all the as*kissing comments that accompanied it praising him for his passion and for being oh-so-edgy. People think the guy's being revolutionary. They like this ass and seem to believe he's got important stuff to say. Well, they can have him. Maybe Facebook widgets drowned their kittens, too. I wash my hands of it. Loren said so himself and I agree: he's nothing more than an idiot comedian. Bekah --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In his latest video, Loren provides a sort-of-explanation about his recent videos, and then launches a scathing attack on this group. Complains about: Groupthink Nobody emailing him Nobody making a video about it or taking other action, all talk Not having any balls People trying to get podtech to censor him. Now personally I have a trackrecord of talking about groupthink here, and sometimes going against the grain. I therefore share some of his concerns about this stuff, but I am rather unsure of the specifics of what he was trying to prove, Im not sure Ive learnt anything new so I resent his suggestion that he has proved something to the gullible herd. He talks of the potential of what social media could really be used for, but doesnt go into any detail, so I am left guessing as to whether he means the same sorts of things I feel are possible, and often complain arent really happening. Persoanally I freely admit to having no balls, and of being mostly all talk, and rarely making videos, so those complaints dont bother me, but are probably unfair to a lot of other people here. And I think this whole thing was a pretty crappy example of groupthink. Not everybody here has expressed the same opinion by a long shot, and I think there have been much better examples of groupthink in the past. The best examples of groupthink Ive seen are when everyone jumps on a bandwagon and starts attacking something without learning the facts first, its happened here to one degree or another in the past. But the thing with Feldmans video was that watching the video was about the only fact available. I take his point that maybe some people could of thought to ask him, if they wanted to form their own independent conclusions, but with something like this does someone really need to do anything other than watch the video to form an opinion? I would guess that not everybody here wants podtech to censor him, I certainly dont, and therefore I dont think its a great example of groupthink at all. Especially as numerous people have made lengthy posts where they ponder his motives, whether he was using it to make some other point, so how can he claim that everybody fell for it? Just because the group may seem to Feldman to be one large mash of people with a collective stupid brain, doesnt make it so, if he is too lazy to look at the subtle differences in peoples opinions then pah. Its the same phenomenon as racism really isnt it, lumping everyone together under one label in the mind? Cheers Steve
[videoblogging] Re: Loren says this group should be ashamed
This group should be ashamed. It should be ashamed over what is happening to it right here with this discussion. The only thing I can say at this point about Feldman, Podtech, Scoble, AND this group as a whole with the infighting is *pt* David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, you have no idea what Bill Streeter believes, I know Bill, I don't know you but you are certainly using this thing with Loren to be vocal, after you changed your mind I might addyou are more fake than Loren Heath --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, danielmcvicar danielmcvicar@ wrote: C'mon Bill, who are you kidding. 1938media has billing above you at Podtech, a private media company and network with sponsors and shows. You are in there eating with the trolls. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter bill@ wrote: Loren who? What are you talking about? Is Loren a group troll or something? What did I miss? Why should we care what this Loren that you speak of thinks, says or does? Is he in charge of something? What makes him relevant? Seriously, are we really gonna talk about every fool with an opinion that says something stupid in a video? Why should we care? Youtube is full of nutcases with webcams saying stupid shit. Are we gonna talk about all of them too? Don't feed the trolls. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: In his latest video, Loren provides a sort-of-explanation about his recent videos, and then launches a scathing attack on this group. Complains about: Groupthink Nobody emailing him Nobody making a video about it or taking other action, all talk Not having any balls People trying to get podtech to censor him. Now personally I have a trackrecord of talking about groupthink here, and sometimes going against the grain. I therefore share some of his concerns about this stuff, but I am rather unsure of the specifics of what he was trying to prove, Im not sure Ive learnt anything new so I resent his suggestion that he has proved something to the gullible herd. He talks of the potential of what social media could really be used for, but doesnt go into any detail, so I am left guessing as to whether he means the same sorts of things I feel are possible, and often complain arent really happening. Persoanally I freely admit to having no balls, and of being mostly all talk, and rarely making videos, so those complaints dont bother me, but are probably unfair to a lot of other people here. And I think this whole thing was a pretty crappy example of groupthink. Not everybody here has expressed the same opinion by a long shot, and I think there have been much better examples of groupthink in the past. The best examples of groupthink Ive seen are when everyone jumps on a bandwagon and starts attacking something without learning the facts first, its happened here to one degree or another in the past. But the thing with Feldmans video was that watching the video was about the only fact available. I take his point that maybe some people could of thought to ask him, if they wanted to form their own independent conclusions, but with something like this does someone really need to do anything other than watch the video to form an opinion? I would guess that not everybody here wants podtech to censor him, I certainly dont, and therefore I dont think its a great example of groupthink at all. Especially as numerous people have made lengthy posts where they ponder his motives, whether he was using it to make some other point, so how can he claim that everybody fell for it? Just because the group may seem to Feldman to be one large mash of people with a collective stupid brain, doesnt make it so, if he is too lazy to look at the subtle differences in peoples opinions then pah. Its the same phenomenon as racism really isnt it, lumping everyone together under one label in the mind? Cheers Steve Elbows
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Insert Gallic Shrug direct from Paris here. On 08/08/07, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This group should be ashamed. It should be ashamed over what is happening to it right here with this discussion. The only thing I can say at this point about Feldman, Podtech, Scoble, AND this group as a whole with the infighting is *pt* David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, you have no idea what Bill Streeter believes, I know Bill, I don't know you but you are certainly using this thing with Loren to be vocal, after you changed your mind I might addyou are more fake than Loren Heath --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, danielmcvicar danielmcvicar@ wrote: C'mon Bill, who are you kidding. 1938media has billing above you at Podtech, a private media company and network with sponsors and shows. You are in there eating with the trolls. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter bill@ wrote: Loren who? What are you talking about? Is Loren a group troll or something? What did I miss? Why should we care what this Loren that you speak of thinks, says or does? Is he in charge of something? What makes him relevant? Seriously, are we really gonna talk about every fool with an opinion that says something stupid in a video? Why should we care? Youtube is full of nutcases with webcams saying stupid shit. Are we gonna talk about all of them too? Don't feed the trolls. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: In his latest video, Loren provides a sort-of-explanation about his recent videos, and then launches a scathing attack on this group. Complains about: Groupthink Nobody emailing him Nobody making a video about it or taking other action, all talk Not having any balls People trying to get podtech to censor him. Now personally I have a trackrecord of talking about groupthink here, and sometimes going against the grain. I therefore share some of his concerns about this stuff, but I am rather unsure of the specifics of what he was trying to prove, Im not sure Ive learnt anything new so I resent his suggestion that he has proved something to the gullible herd. He talks of the potential of what social media could really be used for, but doesnt go into any detail, so I am left guessing as to whether he means the same sorts of things I feel are possible, and often complain arent really happening. Persoanally I freely admit to having no balls, and of being mostly all talk, and rarely making videos, so those complaints dont bother me, but are probably unfair to a lot of other people here. And I think this whole thing was a pretty crappy example of groupthink. Not everybody here has expressed the same opinion by a long shot, and I think there have been much better examples of groupthink in the past. The best examples of groupthink Ive seen are when everyone jumps on a bandwagon and starts attacking something without learning the facts first, its happened here to one degree or another in the past. But the thing with Feldmans video was that watching the video was about the only fact available. I take his point that maybe some people could of thought to ask him, if they wanted to form their own independent conclusions, but with something like this does someone really need to do anything other than watch the video to form an opinion? I would guess that not everybody here wants podtech to censor him, I certainly dont, and therefore I dont think its a great example of groupthink at all. Especially as numerous people have made lengthy posts where they ponder his motives, whether he was using it to make some other point, so how can he claim that everybody fell for it? Just because the group may seem to Feldman to be one large mash of people with a collective stupid brain, doesnt make it so, if he is too lazy to look at the subtle differences in peoples opinions then pah. Its the same phenomenon as racism really isnt it, lumping everyone together under one label in the mind? Cheers Steve Elbows [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Oh we have had far worse Heath --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This group should be ashamed. It should be ashamed over what is happening to it right here with this discussion. The only thing I can say at this point about Feldman, Podtech, Scoble, AND this group as a whole with the infighting is *pt* David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote: Dude, you have no idea what Bill Streeter believes, I know Bill, I don't know you but you are certainly using this thing with Loren to be vocal, after you changed your mind I might addyou are more fake than Loren Heath --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, danielmcvicar danielmcvicar@ wrote: C'mon Bill, who are you kidding. 1938media has billing above you at Podtech, a private media company and network with sponsors and shows. You are in there eating with the trolls. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter bill@ wrote: Loren who? What are you talking about? Is Loren a group troll or something? What did I miss? Why should we care what this Loren that you speak of thinks, says or does? Is he in charge of something? What makes him relevant? Seriously, are we really gonna talk about every fool with an opinion that says something stupid in a video? Why should we care? Youtube is full of nutcases with webcams saying stupid shit. Are we gonna talk about all of them too? Don't feed the trolls. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: In his latest video, Loren provides a sort-of-explanation about his recent videos, and then launches a scathing attack on this group. Complains about: Groupthink Nobody emailing him Nobody making a video about it or taking other action, all talk Not having any balls People trying to get podtech to censor him. Now personally I have a trackrecord of talking about groupthink here, and sometimes going against the grain. I therefore share some of his concerns about this stuff, but I am rather unsure of the specifics of what he was trying to prove, Im not sure Ive learnt anything new so I resent his suggestion that he has proved something to the gullible herd. He talks of the potential of what social media could really be used for, but doesnt go into any detail, so I am left guessing as to whether he means the same sorts of things I feel are possible, and often complain arent really happening. Persoanally I freely admit to having no balls, and of being mostly all talk, and rarely making videos, so those complaints dont bother me, but are probably unfair to a lot of other people here. And I think this whole thing was a pretty crappy example of groupthink. Not everybody here has expressed the same opinion by a long shot, and I think there have been much better examples of groupthink in the past. The best examples of groupthink Ive seen are when everyone jumps on a bandwagon and starts attacking something without learning the facts first, its happened here to one degree or another in the past. But the thing with Feldmans video was that watching the video was about the only fact available. I take his point that maybe some people could of thought to ask him, if they wanted to form their own independent conclusions, but with something like this does someone really need to do anything other than watch the video to form an opinion? I would guess that not everybody here wants podtech to censor him, I certainly dont, and therefore I dont think its a great example of groupthink at all. Especially as numerous people have made lengthy posts where they ponder his motives, whether he was using it to make some other point, so how can he claim that everybody fell for it? Just because the group may seem to Feldman to be one large mash of people with a collective stupid brain, doesnt make it so, if he is too lazy to look at the subtle differences in peoples opinions then pah. Its the same phenomenon as racism really isnt it, lumping everyone together under one label in the mind? Cheers Steve Elbows
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I know. I've been here for a long time and I am about sick of it. Just because there has been far worse does NOT make it ok or justify people acting like children. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh we have had far worse Heath --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: This group should be ashamed. It should be ashamed over what is happening to it right here with this discussion. The only thing I can say at this point about Feldman, Podtech, Scoble, AND this group as a whole with the infighting is *pt* David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote: Dude, you have no idea what Bill Streeter believes, I know Bill, I don't know you but you are certainly using this thing with Loren to be vocal, after you changed your mind I might addyou are more fake than Loren Heath --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, danielmcvicar danielmcvicar@ wrote: C'mon Bill, who are you kidding. 1938media has billing above you at Podtech, a private media company and network with sponsors and shows. You are in there eating with the trolls. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter bill@ wrote: Loren who? What are you talking about? Is Loren a group troll or something? What did I miss? Why should we care what this Loren that you speak of thinks, says or does? Is he in charge of something? What makes him relevant? Seriously, are we really gonna talk about every fool with an opinion that says something stupid in a video? Why should we care? Youtube is full of nutcases with webcams saying stupid shit. Are we gonna talk about all of them too? Don't feed the trolls. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: In his latest video, Loren provides a sort-of-explanation about his recent videos, and then launches a scathing attack on this group. Complains about: Groupthink Nobody emailing him Nobody making a video about it or taking other action, all talk Not having any balls People trying to get podtech to censor him. Now personally I have a trackrecord of talking about groupthink here, and sometimes going against the grain. I therefore share some of his concerns about this stuff, but I am rather unsure of the specifics of what he was trying to prove, Im not sure Ive learnt anything new so I resent his suggestion that he has proved something to the gullible herd. He talks of the potential of what social media could really be used for, but doesnt go into any detail, so I am left guessing as to whether he means the same sorts of things I feel are possible, and often complain arent really happening. Persoanally I freely admit to having no balls, and of being mostly all talk, and rarely making videos, so those complaints dont bother me, but are probably unfair to a lot of other people here. And I think this whole thing was a pretty crappy example of groupthink. Not everybody here has expressed the same opinion by a long shot, and I think there have been much better examples of groupthink in the past. The best examples of groupthink Ive seen are when everyone jumps on a bandwagon and starts attacking something without learning the facts first, its happened here to one degree or another in the past. But the thing with Feldmans video was that watching the video was about the only fact available. I take his point that maybe some people could of thought to ask him, if they wanted to form their own independent conclusions, but with something like this does someone really need to do anything other than watch the video to form an opinion? I would guess that not everybody here wants podtech to censor him, I certainly dont, and therefore I dont think its a great example of groupthink at all. Especially as numerous people have made lengthy posts where they ponder his motives, whether he was using it to make some other point, so how can he claim that everybody fell for it? Just because the group may seem to Feldman to be one large mash of people with a collective
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Yes I am a contractor at Podtech. I'm not an employee, and I don't speak for them, nor do they speak for me. It's very likely that he is working under a similar agreement. And if his contract is anything like mine there are very few circumstances where they can say anything about his content. And frankly I wouldn't want them to. I don't believe in censorship. I don't know if he has a billing above me or below me. Hard to tell. And hardly relevant. I have no control how my content is placed on their site, and I don't really care, to be honest. I get most of my traffic through my own channels. Although I'm pretty sure that my content takes a lot more time thought and resources that his to produce, and as a result is more entertaining and interesting to watch. But thats hardly relevant either. I never found anything in his schtick all that funny or compelling. I really don't think anything he's said is worth all the attention he's gotten here. I don't know because I rarely if ever watch his stuff. As near as I can tell his expertise is pretty much just bomb throwing. Which isn't really much of a skill if you ask me. It's really not that hard to turn on a web cam and say some stupid shit to get people all pissed off. My point is that he's pretty irrelevant. Not worth the time at all to discuss anything he says. He's just another dude with a web cam and an opinion. Just ignore him, you'll feel better, and he'll continue on in obscurity. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, danielmcvicar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C'mon Bill, who are you kidding. 1938media has billing above you at Podtech, a private media company and network with sponsors and shows. You are in there eating with the trolls. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter bill@ wrote: Loren who? What are you talking about? Is Loren a group troll or something? What did I miss? Why should we care what this Loren that you speak of thinks, says or does? Is he in charge of something? What makes him relevant? Seriously, are we really gonna talk about every fool with an opinion that says something stupid in a video? Why should we care? Youtube is full of nutcases with webcams saying stupid shit. Are we gonna talk about all of them too? Don't feed the trolls. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins steve@ wrote: In his latest video, Loren provides a sort-of-explanation about his recent videos, and then launches a scathing attack on this group. Complains about: Groupthink Nobody emailing him Nobody making a video about it or taking other action, all talk Not having any balls People trying to get podtech to censor him. Now personally I have a trackrecord of talking about groupthink here, and sometimes going against the grain. I therefore share some of his concerns about this stuff, but I am rather unsure of the specifics of what he was trying to prove, Im not sure Ive learnt anything new so I resent his suggestion that he has proved something to the gullible herd. He talks of the potential of what social media could really be used for, but doesnt go into any detail, so I am left guessing as to whether he means the same sorts of things I feel are possible, and often complain arent really happening. Persoanally I freely admit to having no balls, and of being mostly all talk, and rarely making videos, so those complaints dont bother me, but are probably unfair to a lot of other people here. And I think this whole thing was a pretty crappy example of groupthink. Not everybody here has expressed the same opinion by a long shot, and I think there have been much better examples of groupthink in the past. The best examples of groupthink Ive seen are when everyone jumps on a bandwagon and starts attacking something without learning the facts first, its happened here to one degree or another in the past. But the thing with Feldmans video was that watching the video was about the only fact available. I take his point that maybe some people could of thought to ask him, if they wanted to form their own independent conclusions, but with something like this does someone really need to do anything other than watch the video to form an opinion? I would guess that not everybody here wants podtech to censor him, I certainly dont, and therefore I dont think its a great example of groupthink at all. Especially as numerous people have made lengthy posts where they ponder his motives, whether he was using it to make some other point, so how can he claim that everybody fell for it? Just because the group may seem to Feldman to be one large mash of people with
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He's a comedian now? Huh. Learn something new everyday. I wonder what his comedy is like. He should post videos of his comedy, people might like that. I think people like the funny. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, missbhavens1969 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: more than an idiot comedian.
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Certain issues will always bring out strong opinions, that armed with the fact that most of us here only know each other in passing, if that much, is bound to bring out even stronger opinion's. I know I shouldn't get sucked in, certain things push different people's button's. Doesn't make it right, doesn't make it anything other than what it is. We're human and we are all shaped by our own unique experiences. Heath --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know. I've been here for a long time and I am about sick of it. Just because there has been far worse does NOT make it ok or justify people acting like children. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com http://www.taoofdavid.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote: Oh we have had far worse Heath
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So he claims. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's a comedian now?
