Beth thanks for this heads up.
The Denver Post is on the NewsLine. You really should check out the app.
While it can be a bit flakey at times, i.e., not showing all the same
information as you can see on line via the PC, it is quite handy and easy to
use
I will definitely be checking out the
Do you know why every link I clicked concerning this book kept taking me to
a twitter page.
If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why? then where does the learning
start?
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Is there a program out there that will make my phone a hotspot
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Is there a program out there that will
Hi All,
I used to think I understood the process for syncing music through
iTunes, but recently I've begun to doubt that.
For example, I have some music by Marvin Gay on my phone. I have a
playlist that contains approximately eighteen songs. I also have
another song which I recently purchased
I don't know how this effects VoiceOver, but I thought this was worth sharing
nonetheless.
http://9to5mac.com/2014/06/03/heres-all-24-new-dictation-languages-arriving-in-ios-8-os-x-yosemite/
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I installed the audible app yesterday and signed in with my amazon account
(which i dont use).
I now cant seem to find where i can actually see the audiobooks. I see the more
books tab but if i click on that i dont get any search field or anything else.
Cant i search for audiobooks within
When you sing in to the audible app double tap my library and then you should
see the books you have in you're library.
isaac
isaac.heb...@gmail.com
Skype gold_wildcat
On Jun 12, 2014, at 7:00 AM, Anouk Radix radix.an...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I installed the audible app yesterday and
If you want to buy more books from audible you can't do that in the audible
app.
You can search for books that are in you're library by double tapping the
search button in my library.
isaac
isaac.heb...@gmail.com
Skype gold_wildcat
On Jun 12, 2014, at 7:05 AM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com
Do any of the After Shockz headphones have the Iphone remote feature built in?
Mark
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I believe all of them do, at least all the ones that also include a microphone.
The mechanism is different for each, but if you see that a particular model
includes music controls, that basically means it has the remote you are talking
about.
On Jun 12, 2014, at 8:15 AM, Mark Furness
Hi Anouk,
The books have to be purchased from the Audible.com web site. You can
go to Audible through Safari on your phone and if you buy the books
that way, a link will appear once you've completed your purchase that
allows you to go directly to the iOS app.
Kimber
On 6/12/14, Anouk Radix
Hello list,
I have read online that there will be a new option in IOS8 that we will
have a choice to use alternative keyboard such as MBraille or Fleksy.
I would like to ask those of you who have beta version installed is it
necessary to have MBraille or Fleksy installed on I-device being able
10 New Accessibility Features in iOS 8
eastersealstech.com
Last week at Apple's annual developer conference, the company announced the
launch of its new mobile operating system, iOS 8. Over the years, Apple has
strived to make its products as accessible as possible for all users. With
the
The June Access World has several very good articles, and I thought this review
of a new book about using the iPhone camera as a blind person would be of
interest to many on this list..
We Can All Be Photographers: A Review of Get the Picture! Viewing the World
with the iPhone Camera, by
Hi Maria,
I am not a beta tester for Apple, so this is just my impression.
It sounds to me like Apple may be planning to build in their own version of a
braille keyboard, but that is only a guess. I hope they just let us choose to
use mBraille, but no one will know until Apple releases that
Last night, I had occasion to dial a phone number to one of those
conference call centers which required dialing a six-digit number after
the auto answer message. After the six-digit pass code, I needed to
enter the number sign. I am certain that most persons can dial much
faster on the
Hi Kimber,
Go to one or two of the songs from your Playlist in iTunes and press
Control+I for Get Info. This shortcut is for Windows. Now go to the Info
tab and check the fields there for artist, album artist, album etc. I assume
maybe the songs in your Playlist don't have the correct ID3 tags or
Hi everyone, after a two-year period of silence. KNFB's Twitter account
crackled into life earlier, with the following tweet.
The #knfbReader Mobile runs wicked fast on the iPhone. We think you're going to
love it. #iOS
When i asked for pricing details, they said they should be finalised
Hi Richard and Maria,
As you pointed out, Maria, Apple will support third-party keyboards for
system-wide use. My guess is that this would mean MBraille or Fleksy can be
used system wide. How exactly this implementation will work I don't know, but I
would also assume that a developer such as
It shows up as an available update for me but when I try to update it,
I get an error message advising me that it isn't available.
On 6/11/14, Josh Gregory familyguyj...@gmail.com wrote:
Looks like it will be released in about a week, I'll find the link and post
it.
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Hi,
I can't imagine, but if you go to
www.nbp.org
and search for get the picture in the search box on that page, I'm sure you'll
find it.
Best,
Anna
On Jun 12, 2014, at 4:13 AM, Robert Doc Wright yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com
wrote:
Do you know why every link I clicked concerning this book
Wow, this will give the Blaze from HIMS a real run for it's money.
On 6/12/2014 7:34 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
Hi everyone, after a two-year period of silence. KNFB's Twitter account
crackled into life earlier, with the following tweet.
The #knfbReader Mobile runs wicked fast on the iPhone. We
I interviewed the CEO of Fleksy about how third-party keyboards will work in
iOS 8, and other WWDC-related issues, on the latest episode of the Talking Apps
podcast. Those who are interested in this subject may find it informative. You
can subscribe in iTunes, Downcast, or just take a listen
Hi Donald,
I am not sure why you couldn't set up the contact as you said with the
number, a comma, the access code and the pound symbol. Maybe try just the
number, a comma and the access code and leave out the pound key, you could
always dial it manually and chances are it may work anyways if you
Hello, Listers, what's the deal with Skype? I went to the App Store because I
saw their was an update when I tried to update Skype, this message popped up!
The item you tried to buy is no longer available. Followed by an ok button! Why?
Jose Lomeli
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Hi John and others,
I assume I somehow grabbed the update right when it came out and that
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sure it will be back shortly for everybody.
Regards,
Sieghard
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I just received that same message. It said the item that I was attempting to
purchase was unavailable. I wasn't trying to buy anything, just trying to
update the Skype app.
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Considering how much they will probably charge for their app, that may not be
true! It will likely cost more than the Blaze!
You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
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On Jun 12, 2014, at 9:44 AM, Russ Kiehne
They are in transition. They completely rewrote the app and are having fun
rolling the new one out, apparently.
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On 13/06/2014, at 2:50 am, Jose Lomeli jose.lome...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
Can someone please post the link for Skype in the app store? When I do a search
in the app store I get 485 results. The only app I see for the iPhone is Skype
wifi. This doesn't sound like the correct app when viewing the app details.
Thanks
Donna
On Jun 12, 2014, at 10:43 AM, John
Somehow I can see that happening. they seem to charge a lot for their stuff.
On Jun 12, 2014, at 10:54 AM, Rich Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote:
Considering how much they will probably charge for their app, that may not be
true! It will likely cost more than the Blaze!
You can have an off
Hi again,
I just Googled this and found an article which stated that first of all the
Skype app has been updated for the iPhone, but that it has not yet been
released for the iPad; it will be coming soon. The same article stated that the
Skype update currently seems to be available only in
Do you think it will cost more than $700.00? That is what the Blaze
currently sells for. In July, it's price will go up to $750.00.
On 6/12/2014 7:54 AM, Rich Ring wrote:
Considering how much they will probably charge for their app, that may
not be true! It will likely cost more than the
I honestly do! I hope I'm incorrect, but I bet I'm not. This is unfortunate,
because the KNFB Reader on Symbian phones had a number of truly useful features.
You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
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On Jun 12,
Guys, why put down KNFB over price when the price is not even announced? It
won't cost $700 or even close to that, but whatever it will cost, everybody
decides whether to pay the price or not. I sometimes can't understand the
apparent bitterness in members of this community towards companies who
Like Sendero, I'm sure KNFB Technologies will have to be cognisant of what the
market will tolerate. The only way to distribute iOS apps is via the App Store.
No one's going to plonk $700 on an app in the App Store. Perhaps they'll follow
Sendero's lead and go with a subscription model on top
I wonder if it will work on the ipad or ipod touch? If so, I sure would
think about buying it?
On 6/12/2014 8:06 AM, Rich Ring wrote:
I honestly do! I hope I'm incorrect, but I bet I'm not. This is
unfortunate, because the KNFB Reader on Symbian phones had a number of
truly useful features.
Hi, You say. They've pulled it ahead of the 5.0 update.
I don't know what this means. Did they pull it for good because people
didn't like it? I don't know what Ahead of means in this context.
Neal
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Hi Neal, according to Skype's blog, they're days away from a global release of
the rewritten iPhone app.
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On 13/06/2014, at 3:28 am, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:
Hi, You say.
I don’t normally do a thank you on the list, but I do so now, because this
means people can disregard my original post on the subject. No need to respond.
Thanks.
Neal
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Hi listers
Using the oficial Twitter app, since the last update to the app, I'm finding
that nore and more, when trying to Rt, nothing happens! Is it only me? Any
ideas?
Gera
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Yeah, sorry, it could've been phrased a little more clearly I know, a friend
helped me to find it though, if you search for Skype Wi-Fi and then go down to
the section that says developer apps, Skype for iPhone is the first one. I
think the iPad version will be available in about a week.
Hi.
I have my Mac Mini on the same network as my iPhone and iPad. In the
settings menu on both, the Apple ID is the same as the one I use on my Mini.
On the Mini, in iTunes, I have share music enabled, share all music, and the
menu states that it is sharing, but there are zero connections.
Get the Fleksy Vo app which is designed for VoiceOver users.
Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu
On 11/06/2014 23:39, brian albriton wrote:
Just started using Fleksy. The word is no longer spoken when I flick down.
Also the little tip un using it
The summer conventions and conferences will be the last opportunity
for the blindness related technology companies to showcase their
offerings in a meaningful way. The NFB convention starts it all off
on July 1 and AER ends it all at the end of July. No one will pay the
cost of a 32 Gigabyte
I'm getting that here to at about 9 a.m. california time.
Don
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Date: Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:43 am
Subject: Re: All new Skype update with major changes to the user interface
It shows
I wonder if VoiceOver will be able to use Alex. Guess we will have to see.
Arrival doesn't say.
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On Jun 12, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Kliphton --- kliph...@outlook.com wrote:
10 New Accessibility Features in iOS 8
eastersealstech.com
Last week at Apple's annual
Hopefully that will be awesome. Perhaps they will take out the Samantha voice
and replace with Alex. Who knows.
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On Jun 12, 2014, at 12:25 PM, Matthew Dyer ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com
wrote:
I wonder if VoiceOver will be able to use Alex. Guess we will have to see.
Golly Don, it's been a long time sense I've had to use this but I seem to
remember adding in a comma. That adds a hold and then type in the remaining
digits. I think I remember using a 4 digit code. What this did was to hold
until you double tapped. Then the remaining 4 numbers were dialed.
Mine says it is in the App Store, but when I tried to download it, it says that
the app I'm trying to buy is no longer available.
Jenn
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 12, 2014, at 10:09 AM, don bishop donb...@emissives.com wrote:
I'm getting that here to at about 9 a.m. california time.
Don
Hi, for me I had to remove my old version, and then go and search for the new
one and install that.
On Jun 12, 2014, at 8:50 AM, Jose Lomeli jose.lome...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello, Listers, what's the deal with Skype? I went to the App Store because I
saw their was an update when I tried to
Hi, it was removed for a few days, but now that the new update is out it is
back in the app store.
On Jun 12, 2014, at 9:28 AM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:
Hi, You say. They've pulled it ahead of the 5.0 update.
I don't know what this means. Did they pull it for good because
I believe that Apple is adding their own 6-dot keyboard, and personally, I sure
hope they do, and that you don't have to be such a contortionist to input
Braille as you do with mBraille and as you did with Braille Touch! There has
just got to be a better way to do it, and I'm hoping Apple has
Just remove the App, and then reinstall. That trick worked for me.
Jenn
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On Jun 12, 2014, at 10:50 AM, Sharonda Greenlaw sbgreen...@gmail.com wrote:
This is the same thing I'm experiencing.
Thanks!
Sharonda
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On Jun
I will be watching very closely on this one. Thanks.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 12, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
Hi everyone, after a two-year period of silence. KNFB's Twitter account
crackled into life earlier, with the following tweet.
The #knfbReader
I feel so foolish asking such a rudimentary question. I am certain that
the problem is a lack of my understanding rather than a software glitch
or technical problem. At any rate, here goes.
My contact list at present has perhaps 30 entries. I have checked each
for accuracy. The problem is
Hi, yes I got the same thing this morning. I wonder if it got removed for some
reason. Otherwise it did give me an update but I don't have can't install it.
Because of the errors it just came up when I did it. Hopefully everybody else
hasn't little light on the subject. Thanks.
Sent from my
If you typed the name of the contact, you need to double tap the name and the
phone number, then the message field will come up.
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On Jun 12, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Donald L. Roberts donald.robert...@gmail.com
wrote:
I feel so foolish asking such a rudimentary question. I
Don, you can also go into contacts. Select a contact and double tap with 1
finger. When that contact entry opens, down toward the bottom of the hole
thing will be buttons. One of which will be send message. See if that's
any easier for you.
HTH
Regards,
Alan
I told my psychiatrist
Hi,
I have noticed that when I move by line with Voice Over, I sometimes get
inconsistent results. It might say nothing at places where there is content
or often it will skip content entirely. For example, I might be flicking
down on a webpage and pass a line that I want to review but when I
Hi Sieghard,
Thanks for the suggestion. That is exactly the problem. Although the
artist field is populated correctly, there is another field called
album artist which is not populated at all.
Kimber
On 6/12/14, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
Hi Kimber,
Go to one or two of the
When and where is the convention? I'd like to anticipate when all the
announcements for this product will come out. :)
Thanks,
Christina
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When and where is the convention? I'd like to anticipate when all the
announcements for
Hello list,
Can anyone recommend a VPN client with Mexico access to use on the iPad or
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Donna, why not go to http://www.skype.com and get it there?
Fred Olver
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Can someone
Donna, why not go to http://www.skype.com and get it there?
Fred Olver
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Can someone
Hide My Ass is an excellent VPN provider. They have VPN all over the world
including Mexico. And they have a special on at the moment, I think because of
the World Cup. Their iPhone app is also fully accessible and makes setting up
the VPN a lot easier than it would be if you did it all
Awesome! I never got the chance to play with the KNFB Reader on the
Symbian platform because of the shocking price at the time which I and
most others just couldn't afford. Thanks for sharing.
Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu
On 12/06/2014
I uninstalled the old version, downloaded the new version which works,
but I still an told that an update exists for Skype in the app store
on my phone.
On 6/12/14, Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net wrote:
Donna, why not go to http://www.skype.com and get it there?
Fred Olver
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Ditto. All we know is a new feature in iOS 8 called Braille Input will
be introduced with the possibility of direct six dot entry. How this
exactly works I cannot say for sure and no one can even if they like me
are a tester because it's not in the public domain except for that blurb
which was
Right ok.
Apple is implementing their own Braille input system. We know this from
the conference. They are also upgrading their default keyboard (note I
said default here) as well as allow third party keyboards to be used
system wide which we also know from the conference. What we don't know
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The convention will be july 1-6 in Orlando Florida and all of the sessions
will be streamed. Go to their website for more information and a complete
agenda.
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Where did they hide the add button I use to find when I DT the bookmark tab?
I want to add a site to bookmarks but I can no longer see how to.
If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why? then where does the learning
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Frankly, Josh, I absolutely love the Samantha voice. I use Samantha on my
Mac computers, as well.
To each, his own, eh?
Mark
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To:
It is under the share tab. Double-tap on share at the bottom of the screen. If
the five buttons are not visible, touch and double-tap on the status bar at the
top, where time and such are always displayed. This will cause the bottom bar
to become visible again.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Wonder if they are working on an android version as well? I hope so, I
hope this is not another case where android is treated as a second
class platform or afterthought.
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What is the Apple’s QuickType keyboard to which this article refers- an app or
hardware? Thanks much.
Cher
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Fred Olver
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 3:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Fw: [New post]
I think the real beef with Samantha, is that she has no natural breath in iOS
like Alex maybe would, which is weird, as she does seem to breath a little on
android devices. That all said, I'd rather have a female voice talking to me,
as it reminds me of old Star Trek shows. Whereas Alex
It is supposed to predict what you wish to type based on content.
Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu
On 12/06/2014 21:47, Don Cher wrote:
What is the Apple’s QuickType keyboard to which this article refers- an app or
hardware? Thanks much.
it seems especially noticeable when I am in the editing mode and insert a
paragraph. As I try to move up by flicking right or left, it will get to the
point I started editing and then end, as if there is no more material above
that.
Scott, I do notice this in editing apps. One called Elements
Flicking right and left always moves to the next item / section. Rotor settings
are always manipulated using vertical flicks, up and down, not horizontal
flicks. Therefore, after turning the rotor to lines, use a flick up to read the
previous line, and a flick down to read the next line. It is
Hi Matt,
I hope by now you have been able to download the new version of Skype. Someone
suggested to open the native app store and do a search for it instead of
downloading it from the update icon. They have been able to install it from
there. The funny thing is that I decided to try it
Just delete the app and download it again from either the purchased history or
searching for it in the app store.
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Eileen Misrahi
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 3:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE:
Yeah it's not a bad voice. I use her on my phone, I used to use Daniel before.
Whatever will happen I'm sure it will be pretty cool.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 12, 2014, at 4:12 PM, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote:
Frankly, Josh, I absolutely love the Samantha voice. I use Samantha on my
hi guys,can someone please tell me how to turn on location sharing on my
iphone4s.
I am getting a message in messanger: location sharing is turned off. How do
i turn it on?, Billy
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I'm getting this message while in messanger: location sharing is turned off.
How do i turn it on?, Billy
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Perhaps Google should stop designing Android accessibility as a second class
platform and afterthought? That's not a flame, but come on. Google has the
resources to completely eradicate every person's complaint if it gave
accessibility more concentration. And, it's also about resources right?
Hi,
I am wondering if the native weather app that comes with the iPhone is
available for download from the app store for the iPad. If so, what is the app
called?
Jen
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I love free enterprise and capitalism as well. That's why I give OpenBook and
K1000 both the finger and use ABBYY Finereader to do my OCR at a fraction of
the cost and with much better results. I do hope, however, that KNFB
Technologies proves me wrong that their product will prove
Hello,
My iPhone automatically updated Pandora today, and it no longer reads the
station names. Instead all it says is station name.
I had to go in and manually name the stations, which was fine for me because I
could see them under my CCTV. This is going to be difficult for those who are
Go to settings / privacy / location sharing and look for fb and turn it on.
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hi
Hello Everyone,
I just updated to the latest version of Skype,
One thing I liked about the previous version is that, in the iPhone Settings
area, one could select not to be automatically signed into Skype.
1.
I no longer see any Skype Settings item in the iPhone Settings area.
2.
There does
Hi, does anyone have experience using the Amazon Music app?
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Hello! Folks: I just downloaded the new update for Skype on my iPhone five, and
I am having trouble going to the contact list. I was able to in the last
version of Skype for the iPhone, but for some reason this version is not
allowing me to get there. Can anyone help me I am finding this
You want to double tap where it says people. Your contact list should then show
up.
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On Jun 12, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Michael McKay mgmckay1...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello! Folks: I just downloaded the new update for Skype on my iPhone five,
and I am having trouble going to the
The NFB convention is in Orlando from July 2 through July 6. The ACB
convention is the following week in, I believe, Las Vegas and the AER
convention is in late July in San Antonio, TX.
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I learned via AppleVis if you turn on voiceover hints, it'll read out your
station title. For example, station title, double tap to activate 90's country
radio.
A bit annoying but doable. :)
Traci
On Jun 12, 2014, at 5:17 PM, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
My iPhone
I think Michael is referring to accessing one's iPhone Contacts from Skype.
I have yet to figure out how to do this or if indeed this meature is missing
which really would be a shame.
Regards,
Sieghard
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