Re: face id opinions wanted

[Dave]

android may use face ID, but i have heard, that they will be using the new 
fingerprint technology also.


Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Devin Prater

Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Well, to be fair, some blind people don’t really care if it looks normal. It’s 
an advantage that we have, that we could use a phone without needing to have 
it even remotely pointing towards us. But we must adapt. I can almost 
guarantee that Android manufacturers will adopt something like FaceID, 
albeit without the true security that Apple gives, well, not counting 
attention-mode being off for us… Even then they couldn’t take the phone 
without you at least hearing the unlock sound, at most hearing VoiceOver 
speaking. Sure, it’s a little painful now, but it will get better, as it did 
with TouchID.


On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Aleeha Dudley  
wrote:


Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket, 
you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID 
is much more secure than TouchID ever was.

Aleeha

On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
 wrote:


same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id 
and

replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in
something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is
particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, 
as
it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do 
that

with this pesky face id rubbish!

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Jed Barton" 

To: "viphone" 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
Subject: face id opinions wanted


Hey guys,

OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.

Thanks,

Jed

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Re: face id opinions wanted

[alia robinson]

this is hilarious to me!why does this have to be explained? putting your hand 
in your pocket, and fondling and stroking your phone, um yeah! LOL I can’t even!

On Dec 17, 2018, at 7:19 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz  wrote:

Um yeah... This is one of those things where if you've had vision, it's not 
even a question. 
It can look really weird if not icky if you're standing or walking around while 
going to town in your pants or shorts pocket fiddling with your phone. 
A bag ... well, I guess not as much, but yeah, this really isn't that hard to 
grasp. 

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Re: face id opinions wanted

[goshawk on horseback]

exactly! you know what you are doing, and that's really all that matters.
not only that, but given the many misconceptions that sighteds still have 
about us anyway, does it really make that much difference?

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Dave" 
To: "viPhone" 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted


How would a sighted person know, what you are doing with your phone, if you
have your hand in your bag or pocket?

and frankly, who gives a crap, what someone else thinks!

You are unlocking your bloody phone, and not doing a strange dance, in the
middle of the street.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Aleeha Dudley
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:53 PM
To: viPhone
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket,
you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID is
much more secure than TouchID ever was.
Aleeha

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback
>  wrote:
>
> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id
> and
> replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in
> something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is
> particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as
> it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do
> that
> with this pesky face id rubbish!
>
> Simon
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jed Barton" 
> To: "viphone" 
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
> Subject: face id opinions wanted
>
>
> Hey guys,
>
> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jed
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[goshawk on horseback]

my samsung note 8 still uses good old touch id, thank the good lord!

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Dave" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted


android may use face ID, but i have heard, that they will be using the new
fingerprint technology also.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Devin Prater
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Well, to be fair, some blind people don’t really care if it looks normal. It’s
an advantage that we have, that we could use a phone without needing to have
it even remotely pointing towards us. But we must adapt. I can almost
guarantee that Android manufacturers will adopt something like FaceID,
albeit without the true security that Apple gives, well, not counting
attention-mode being off for us… Even then they couldn’t take the phone
without you at least hearing the unlock sound, at most hearing VoiceOver
speaking. Sure, it’s a little painful now, but it will get better, as it did
with TouchID.

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Aleeha Dudley 
> wrote:
>
> Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket,
> you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID
> is much more secure than TouchID ever was.
> Aleeha
>
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback
>>  wrote:
>>
>> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id
>> and
>> replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
>> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in
>> something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is
>> particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example,
>> as
>> it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do
>> that
>> with this pesky face id rubbish!
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Jed Barton" 
>> To: "viphone" 
>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
>> Subject: face id opinions wanted
>>
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
>> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
>> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
>> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
>> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
>> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
>> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
>> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
>> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
>> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
>> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
>> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
>> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
>> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
>> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
>> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
>> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jed
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Dave]

this thread started, with people, saying about unlocking their phones, which 
takes a second. not rubbing around in their pocket.


Most of the members, who are talking about not looking blind, will look 
blind in many other ways.


Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: alia robinson

Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

I think it looks a lot weirder rubbing around in your pocket when people don’t 
know what you’re rubbing on, but that’s just me! LOL, at least if you had a 
phone near your face they’d have some clue.


On Dec 17, 2018, at 7:31 PM, Dave  wrote:

i think people, were mainly talking about unlocking their phones, and not 
playing games, well having their phone in their pocket.


Moving your head all over the show, to unlock your phone, looks a lot more 
silly and blind, as a sighted person, will know exactly how to look at the 
handset, to unlock it.


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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Dave]

Hi Simon, know i don't ride.

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: goshawk on horseback

Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

we should rejoice in being different, as it opens people's minds!
do you ride as well then?

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Dave" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted


i totally agree!

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: goshawk on horseback

Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 8:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

who gives a toss about looks and all of this normality trash! I certainly
don't!
given the choice, I would much rather be able to use touch id whilst the
phone is in a bumbag whilst I am out riding, rather than having to take it
out for this stupid face id, and increase the risk of dropping it if the
horse spooks or something any day, and stuff how it looks.

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Aleeha Dudley" 

To: "viPhone" 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted


Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket,
you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID is
much more secure than TouchID ever was.
Aleeha


On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback
 wrote:

same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id
and
replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in
something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is
particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as
it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do
that
with this pesky face id rubbish!

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Jed Barton" 

To: "viphone" 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
Subject: face id opinions wanted


Hey guys,

OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.

Thanks,

Jed

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RE: face id opinions wanted

[Mr. Ed]

Hi all,
I remember when touch ID first came out it gave some people issues with not 
reading their finger print. I remember people putting in more than one finger 
and having to do it over again and again because it would not read their finger 
every time. Then after the next version of the iPhone and some updates you 
don't hear any issues with touch ID. So I am guessing this is going to happen 
with face ID. I heard the same complaining over and over with touch ID when it 
first came out. Now you don't hear any issues with it.
Mr. Ed
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Aleeha Dudley
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 1:54 PM
To: viPhone
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
Importance: High

Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket, you 
look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID is much 
more secure than TouchID ever was.
Aleeha 

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>  wrote:
> 
> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id and 
> replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in 
> something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is 
> particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as 
> it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do that 
> with this pesky face id rubbish!
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jed Barton" 
> To: "viphone" 
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
> Subject: face id opinions wanted
> 
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jed
> 
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[goshawk on horseback]

any "future boss" that couldn't be open minded enough to just accept how I 
used my phone, would almost certainly be too closed minded to employ a VI 
anyway, so again, not really a good argument.

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Aleeha Dudley" 
To: "viPhone" 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted


Responding to both these messages in one, at the risk of being off topic, 
you would care about looking strange if a future boss saw it. Just saying, 
and now I’m done.
Aleeha

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:57 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>
> Well, to be fair, some blind people don’t really care if it looks normal. 
> It’s an advantage that we have, that we could use a phone without needing 
> to have it even remotely pointing towards us. But we must adapt. I can 
> almost guarantee that Android manufacturers will adopt something like 
> FaceID, albeit without the true security that Apple gives, well, not 
> counting attention-mode being off for us… Even then they couldn’t take the 
> phone without you at least hearing the unlock sound, at most hearing 
> VoiceOver speaking. Sure, it’s a little painful now, but it will get 
> better, as it did with TouchID.
>
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Aleeha Dudley  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or 
>> pocket, you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, 
>> FaceID is much more secure than TouchID ever was.
>> Aleeha
>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id 
>>> and
>>> replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
>>> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is 
>>> in
>>> something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this 
>>> is
>>> particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, 
>>> as
>>> it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do 
>>> that
>>> with this pesky face id rubbish!
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Jed Barton" 
>>> To: "viphone" 
>>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
>>> Subject: face id opinions wanted
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
>>> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
>>> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
>>> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
>>> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
>>> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
>>> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
>>> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
>>> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
>>> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
>>> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
>>> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
>>> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
>>> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
>>> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
>>> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
>>> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jed
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Dave]

never heard such rubbish in my life!

Would your future boss, think you are strange, if you are using your phone, 
with the screen curtain on? and they thought you were typing on a blank 
screen?


Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Aleeha Dudley

Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 8:00 PM
To: viPhone
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Responding to both these messages in one, at the risk of being off topic, 
you would care about looking strange if a future boss saw it. Just saying, 
and now I’m done.

Aleeha


On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:57 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:

Well, to be fair, some blind people don’t really care if it looks normal. 
It’s an advantage that we have, that we could use a phone without needing 
to have it even remotely pointing towards us. But we must adapt. I can 
almost guarantee that Android manufacturers will adopt something like 
FaceID, albeit without the true security that Apple gives, well, not 
counting attention-mode being off for us… Even then they couldn’t take the 
phone without you at least hearing the unlock sound, at most hearing 
VoiceOver speaking. Sure, it’s a little painful now, but it will get 
better, as it did with TouchID.


On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Aleeha Dudley  
wrote:


Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or 
pocket, you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, 
FaceID is much more secure than TouchID ever was.

Aleeha

On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
 wrote:


same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id 
and

replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is 
in
something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this 
is
particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, 
as
it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do 
that

with this pesky face id rubbish!

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Jed Barton" 

To: "viphone" 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
Subject: face id opinions wanted


Hey guys,

OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.

Thanks,

Jed

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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Aleeha Dudley]

The difference is that your hand doesn’t stay in your pocket when you get your 
keys out. 
Aleeha 

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 5:24 PM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> then never get your keys, or wallet out.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Aleeha Dudley
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 8:47 PM
> To: viPhone
> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
> 
> Even the jacket pocket looks odd. It could look downright dangerous in the 
> wrong place.
> Aleeha
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 2:41 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz  wrote:
>> 
>> Indeed. In your jacket pocket is fine, but if in your pants pocket, you're 
>> going to look like a pervert who is playing a hardcore game of pocket pool.
>> 
>> Cristóbal
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Aleeha Dudley
>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 11:54 AM
>> To: viPhone 
>> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
>> Importance: High
>> 
>> Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket, 
>> you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID is 
>> much more secure than TouchID ever was.
>> Aleeha
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch
>>> id and replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
>>> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is
>>> in something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out.
>>> this is particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for
>>> example, as it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now
>>> you can't do that with this pesky face id rubbish!
>>> 
>>> Simon
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Jed Barton" 
>>> To: "viphone" 
>>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
>>> Subject: face id opinions wanted
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hey guys,
>>> 
>>> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
>>> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
>>> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
>>> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
>>> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
>>> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
>>> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
>>> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
>>> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
>>> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
>>> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
>>> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
>>> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
>>> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
>>> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
>>> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
>>> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Jed
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Nearby Explorer Downloading Maps on Cellular Data

[Joe Orozco]

Hello,

I want Nearby Explorer to be able to use cellular data for navigation
when needed; however, I do not want it to download maps while on
cellular data. Where in the app can I go to adjust this? Thanks in
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[alia robinson]

no one is saying they don’t accept themselves. there’s saying groping around in 
your pocket looks weird. it has nothing to do with seeing or not seeing.

On Dec 17, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Dave  wrote:

mate, i use to be a sighted person.

And believe me, when i say. that some blind make themselves more conspicuouss, 
by trying not to look conspicuous!

Get over it, and accept you have a visual disability, you will be a happier 
person.

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Re: face id opinions wanted

[alia robinson]

I think it looks a lot weirder rubbing around in your pocket when people don’t 
know what you’re rubbing on, but that’s just me! LOL, at least if you had a 
phone near your face they’d have some clue.

On Dec 17, 2018, at 7:31 PM, Dave  wrote:

i think people, were mainly talking about unlocking their phones, and not 
playing games, well having their phone in their pocket.

Moving your head all over the show, to unlock your phone, looks a lot more 
silly and blind, as a sighted person, will know exactly how to look at the 
handset, to unlock it.

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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Dave]

i totally agree!

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: goshawk on horseback

Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 8:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

who gives a toss about looks and all of this normality trash! I certainly
don't!
given the choice, I would much rather be able to use touch id whilst the
phone is in a bumbag whilst I am out riding, rather than having to take it
out for this stupid face id, and increase the risk of dropping it if the
horse spooks or something any day, and stuff how it looks.

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Aleeha Dudley" 

To: "viPhone" 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted


Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket,
you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID is
much more secure than TouchID ever was.
Aleeha


On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback
 wrote:

same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id
and
replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in
something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is
particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as
it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do
that
with this pesky face id rubbish!

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Jed Barton" 

To: "viphone" 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
Subject: face id opinions wanted


Hey guys,

OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.

Thanks,

Jed

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RE: face id opinions wanted

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Um yeah... This is one of those things where if you've had vision, it's not 
even a question. 
It can look really weird if not icky if you're standing or walking around while 
going to town in your pants or shorts pocket fiddling with your phone. 
A bag ... well, I guess not as much, but yeah, this really isn't that hard to 
grasp. 

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 3:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: face id opinions wanted

That is exactly what I was thinking. Who'd pay attention to you that much or 
care? 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dave
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 6:08 PM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

How would a sighted person know, what you are doing with your phone, if you 
have your hand in your bag or pocket?

and frankly, who gives a crap, what someone else thinks!

You are unlocking your bloody phone, and not doing a strange dance, in the 
middle of the street.

Dave.


-Original Message-
From: Aleeha Dudley
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:53 PM
To: viPhone
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket, you 
look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID is much 
more secure than TouchID ever was.
Aleeha

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>  wrote:
>
> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch 
> id and replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is 
> in something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out.
> this is particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for 
> example, as it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now 
> you can't do that with this pesky face id rubbish!
>
> Simon
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jed Barton" 
> To: "viphone" 
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
> Subject: face id opinions wanted
>
>
> Hey guys,
>
> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest, 
> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on 
> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not 
> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i 
> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17 
> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the 
> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would 
> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess 
> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times 
> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another 
> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my 
> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my 
> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing 
> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else 
> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jed
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Dave]

mate, i use to be a sighted person.

And believe me, when i say. that some blind make themselves more 
conspicuouss, by trying not to look conspicuous!


Get over it, and accept you have a visual disability, you will be a happier 
person.


Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Aleeha Dudley

Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 11:30 PM
To: viPhone
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

The difference is that your hand doesn’t stay in your pocket when you get 
your keys out.

Aleeha


On Dec 17, 2018, at 5:24 PM, Dave  wrote:

then never get your keys, or wallet out.

-Original Message- From: Aleeha Dudley
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 8:47 PM
To: viPhone
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Even the jacket pocket looks odd. It could look downright dangerous in the 
wrong place.

Aleeha

On Dec 17, 2018, at 2:41 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz  
wrote:


Indeed. In your jacket pocket is fine, but if in your pants pocket, 
you're going to look like a pervert who is playing a hardcore game of 
pocket pool.


Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Aleeha Dudley

Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 11:54 AM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
Importance: High

Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or 
pocket, you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, 
FaceID is much more secure than TouchID ever was.

Aleeha

On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
 wrote:


same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch
id and replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is
in something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out.
this is particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for
example, as it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now
you can't do that with this pesky face id rubbish!

Simon


- Original Message -
From: "Jed Barton" 
To: "viphone" 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
Subject: face id opinions wanted


Hey guys,

OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.

Thanks,

Jed

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Re: face id opinions wanted

[goshawk on horseback]

again, at the end of the day, you know what you are doing, so who gives a 
toss?

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Aleeha Dudley" 
To: "viPhone" 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted


A sighted person wouldn’t know what you are doing. That’s the point. It 
looks like you are doing something strange in your pocket. The repetitive 
flicking motion that you use with VO makes the cloth move in such a way that 
it looks very weird and, to some, inappropriate, especially if it’s your 
pants pocket or a long coat.


> On Dec 17, 2018, at 5:07 PM, Dave  wrote:
>
> How would a sighted person know, what you are doing with your phone, if 
> you have your hand in your bag or pocket?
>
> and frankly, who gives a crap, what someone else thinks!
>
> You are unlocking your bloody phone, and not doing a strange dance, in the 
> middle of the street.
>
> Dave.
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Aleeha Dudley
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:53 PM
> To: viPhone
> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
>
> Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket, 
> you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID 
> is much more secure than TouchID ever was.
> Aleeha
>
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id 
>> and
>> replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
>> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in
>> something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is
>> particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, 
>> as
>> it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do 
>> that
>> with this pesky face id rubbish!
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Jed Barton" 
>> To: "viphone" 
>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
>> Subject: face id opinions wanted
>>
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
>> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
>> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
>> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
>> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
>> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
>> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
>> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
>> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
>> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
>> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
>> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
>> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
>> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
>> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
>> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
>> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jed
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[alia robinson]

I have been around sighted people all my life, and as far as I have ever been 
aware they have no misconceptions about me, and if they do I soon put them to 
rest. why do you think it makes no difference how we act? 

On Dec 17, 2018, at 7:41 PM, goshawk on horseback 
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exactly! you know what you are doing, and that's really all that matters.
not only that, but given the many misconceptions that sighteds still have 
about us anyway, does it really make that much difference?

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Re: face id opinions wanted

[goshawk on horseback]

we should rejoice in being different, as it opens people's minds!
do you ride as well then?

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Dave" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted


i totally agree!

Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: goshawk on horseback
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 8:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

who gives a toss about looks and all of this normality trash! I certainly
don't!
given the choice, I would much rather be able to use touch id whilst the
phone is in a bumbag whilst I am out riding, rather than having to take it
out for this stupid face id, and increase the risk of dropping it if the
horse spooks or something any day, and stuff how it looks.

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Aleeha Dudley" 
To: "viPhone" 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted


Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket,
you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID is
much more secure than TouchID ever was.
Aleeha

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback
>  wrote:
>
> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id
> and
> replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in
> something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is
> particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as
> it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do
> that
> with this pesky face id rubbish!
>
> Simon
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jed Barton" 
> To: "viphone" 
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
> Subject: face id opinions wanted
>
>
> Hey guys,
>
> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jed
>
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RE: face id opinions wanted

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I don't know about you, but if I want to look towards my right hand that may be 
holding my phone to unlock it, I'm not going to be looking at my left hand or 
staring off into space. 
Moving your head all over the whatever.. Seriously, what are we talking about.
People are trying to fit a narrative that isn't true to fit their argument. 
The only time you may need to move your head around is to do the initial scan. 
After that and if you're set up right, you just interact with the phone as you 
normally would when using it. I mean, I lost my vision so some sighted habits 
are just engrained into me. I still flick the lights on and off when entering 
my room or bathroom or whatever. I still generally look at/towards my phone 
when I'm using it, etc. Even with the touch ID, after I unlocked it, I still 
looked down at it or in  its general direction while I was doing whatever or 
reviewing this or that alert.
Maybe it's different if you've always been total. I really can't say. 
And again, I'm an touch ID guy, but this really is becoming lets exaggerate X 
to try to win argument Y.

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 4:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

i think people, were mainly talking about unlocking their phones, and not 
playing games, well having their phone in their pocket.

Moving your head all over the show, to unlock your phone, looks a lot more 
silly and blind, as a sighted person, will know exactly how to look at the 
handset, to unlock it.

Dave.

-Original Message-
From: alia robinson
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

no one is saying they don’t accept themselves. there’s saying groping around in 
your pocket looks weird. it has nothing to do with seeing or not seeing.

On Dec 17, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Dave  wrote:

mate, i use to be a sighted person.

And believe me, when i say. that some blind make themselves more conspicuouss, 
by trying not to look conspicuous!

Get over it, and accept you have a visual disability, you will be a happier 
person.

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RE: Airplay question

[Merv Keck]

Hi,

The Sonos One supports Airplay. So you may  be able to play anything from your 
iDevice through your Sonos One by changing the routes available to the Sonos 
one in the control center. I do it all the time with whatever app I happen to 
be using. I can’t guarantee that every app I have tried does not have airplay 
support though. but you can at least give it a try.

Merv

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 2:19 PM
To: viphone 
Subject: Airplay question

 

Is there some way to get the audio from an app which does not list airplay as 
an option to route to an airplay capable device such as the Sonos One?

Marie


 

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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Christopher Chaltain]

I don't think iPhone users will have to wait years for this in screen 
finger print sensor. Android phones from Oneplus are already shipping 
with in screen finger print sensors and Samsung will include them in the 
phones they'll start shipping early next year.



On 12/17/18 2:00 PM, lenron brown wrote:

Thing is when you talk about android you have choices at this point,
just as you can go for the IPhone 7 or 8 at this point. Keep in mind
lots of companies are trying to get this in screen fingerprint thing
off the ground.

On 12/17/18, lenron brown  wrote:

I got touch Id setup in know time. Also if it's cold out, using my
phone in my pocket works just fine for certain things. hahaha face id
more secure than touch id not worried about that when I don't have my
phone around anyone I am worried about hacking my device.

On 12/17/18, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:

Hi,
I can’t see at all and set it up just fine, and I know that many others
have
as well. You don’t have to be really accurate. Just hold the phone
vertically a little ways away from you and it should be fine. Make sure
you
have attention mode turned off, especially if your eyes move a lot or
don’t
open.
Aleeha


On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:50 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:

that's the whole point.  I've just really struggled with it.  Like i
said, when you can't see the screen, i'm pointing my phone, in what
seems like the right direction.  Literally, if you're a quarter inch
off, you're done.  I shouldn't have to sit there for 30 seconds to try
and unlock my phone.  That's 30 seconds when i could be productive.

On 12/17/18, goshawk on horseback 
wrote:

exactly! what a whole load of messing around, and when touch id was so
much

easier!

Simon


- Original Message -
From: "lenron brown" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted


All this just to get a phone to unlock, um not worth it. Spin your
head around hop up and down all that mumble jumble. When all I want to
do is just make my phone unlock. Yeah yall can keep face id.

On 12/17/18, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:

Hi,
I do not have any issue with it. In fact, it took me less than thirty
seconds to set it up and it works perfectly. What I like to tell my
students
is to think of your nose as the central point on a clock face. When
you
set
up FaceID, rotate your head around in a circle slowly, as if you were
going
from six o’clock all the way back around the clock to six again. This
usually works. Also, be sure to hold the phone vertically in front of
you,
six or so inches away from your face.
Aleeha


On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:

Hey guys,

OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.

Thanks,

Jed

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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Christopher Chaltain]

Not really sure what the argument is here. Nothing wrong with people 
choosing not to use their smart phone eyes free for whatever reason. 
Also, once someone told me that others might think I look weird using my 
phone in my pocket then I'm free to do whatever I want and it's really 
no one else's business after that.



BTW, one of the things I liked about my Nokia running Symbian with Talks 
and using the T9 interface was how easy it was to use with one hand and 
without ever having to pull it out of my pocket.



On 12/17/18 8:21 PM, goshawk on horseback wrote:

well I've always been a total, so I thank the good lord that I don't have
all of these image hang ups. people take me as they find me, like it or lump
it!

Simon


- Original Message -
From: "alia robinson" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted


I have been around sighted people all my life, and as far as I have ever
been aware they have no misconceptions about me, and if they do I soon put
them to rest. why do you think it makes no difference how we act?

On Dec 17, 2018, at 7:41 PM, goshawk on horseback
 wrote:

exactly! you know what you are doing, and that's really all that matters.
not only that, but given the many misconceptions that sighteds still have
about us anyway, does it really make that much difference?


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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Dave]

not if you are having to wave your phone all over the place, just to get the 
thing unlocked!




-Original Message- 
From: Devin Prater

Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 8:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Well, I’m not really worried about everyone being my future boss, but if I 
was around colleges, I would try to at least use the phone on a desk, but I 
don’t try to act all flashy and call attention to how “normal” I act. FaceID 
does help one look more “normal.
On Dec 17, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Aleeha Dudley  
wrote:


Responding to both these messages in one, at the risk of being off topic, 
you would care about looking strange if a future boss saw it. Just saying, 
and now I’m done.

Aleeha


On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:57 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:

Well, to be fair, some blind people don’t really care if it looks normal. 
It’s an advantage that we have, that we could use a phone without needing 
to have it even remotely pointing towards us. But we must adapt. I can 
almost guarantee that Android manufacturers will adopt something like 
FaceID, albeit without the true security that Apple gives, well, not 
counting attention-mode being off for us… Even then they couldn’t take 
the phone without you at least hearing the unlock sound, at most hearing 
VoiceOver speaking. Sure, it’s a little painful now, but it will get 
better, as it did with TouchID.


On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Aleeha Dudley  
wrote:


Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or 
pocket, you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. 
Also, FaceID is much more secure than TouchID ever was.

Aleeha

On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
 wrote:


same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id 
and

replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is 
in
something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this 
is
particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, 
as
it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do 
that

with this pesky face id rubbish!

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Jed Barton" 

To: "viphone" 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
Subject: face id opinions wanted


Hey guys,

OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.

Thanks,

Jed

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[Aleeha Dudley]

A sighted person wouldn’t know what you are doing. That’s the point. It looks 
like you are doing something strange in your pocket. The repetitive flicking 
motion that you use with VO makes the cloth move in such a way that it looks 
very weird and, to some, inappropriate, especially if it’s your pants pocket or 
a long coat. 


> On Dec 17, 2018, at 5:07 PM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> How would a sighted person know, what you are doing with your phone, if you 
> have your hand in your bag or pocket?
> 
> and frankly, who gives a crap, what someone else thinks!
> 
> You are unlocking your bloody phone, and not doing a strange dance, in the 
> middle of the street.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Aleeha Dudley
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:53 PM
> To: viPhone
> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
> 
> Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket, 
> you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID is 
> much more secure than TouchID ever was.
> Aleeha
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id and
>> replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
>> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in
>> something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is
>> particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as
>> it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do that
>> with this pesky face id rubbish!
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Jed Barton" 
>> To: "viphone" 
>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
>> Subject: face id opinions wanted
>> 
>> 
>> Hey guys,
>> 
>> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
>> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
>> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
>> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
>> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
>> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
>> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
>> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
>> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
>> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
>> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
>> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
>> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
>> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
>> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
>> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
>> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Jed
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Dave]

then never get your keys, or wallet out.

-Original Message- 
From: Aleeha Dudley

Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 8:47 PM
To: viPhone
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Even the jacket pocket looks odd. It could look downright dangerous in the 
wrong place.

Aleeha

On Dec 17, 2018, at 2:41 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz  
wrote:


Indeed. In your jacket pocket is fine, but if in your pants pocket, you're 
going to look like a pervert who is playing a hardcore game of pocket 
pool.


Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Aleeha Dudley

Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 11:54 AM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
Importance: High

Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket, 
you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID 
is much more secure than TouchID ever was.

Aleeha

On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
 wrote:


same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch
id and replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is
in something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out.
this is particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for
example, as it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now
you can't do that with this pesky face id rubbish!

Simon


- Original Message -
From: "Jed Barton" 
To: "viphone" 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
Subject: face id opinions wanted


Hey guys,

OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.

Thanks,

Jed

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RE: face id opinions wanted

[Carolyn Arnold]

That is exactly what I was thinking. Who'd pay attention to you that much or 
care? 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dave
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 6:08 PM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

How would a sighted person know, what you are doing with your phone, if you 
have your hand in your bag or pocket?

and frankly, who gives a crap, what someone else thinks!

You are unlocking your bloody phone, and not doing a strange dance, in the 
middle of the street.

Dave.


-Original Message-
From: Aleeha Dudley
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:53 PM
To: viPhone
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket, you 
look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID is much 
more secure than TouchID ever was.
Aleeha

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>  wrote:
>
> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch 
> id and replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is 
> in something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. 
> this is particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for 
> example, as it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now 
> you can't do that with this pesky face id rubbish!
>
> Simon
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jed Barton" 
> To: "viphone" 
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
> Subject: face id opinions wanted
>
>
> Hey guys,
>
> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest, 
> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on 
> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not 
> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i 
> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17 
> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the 
> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would 
> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess 
> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times 
> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another 
> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my 
> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my 
> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing 
> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else 
> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jed
>
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[Maria Reyes]

Even if Apple came out with a phone with Face ID and Touch ID I'd most likely 
use Face ID more. When I first got my iPhone X, people told me to hold it about 
arms length and turn my head like a clock. 

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> On Dec 17, 2018, at 6:31 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> That is exactly what I was thinking. Who'd pay attention to you that much or 
> care? 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Dave
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 6:08 PM
> To: viPhone 
> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
> 
> How would a sighted person know, what you are doing with your phone, if you 
> have your hand in your bag or pocket?
> 
> and frankly, who gives a crap, what someone else thinks!
> 
> You are unlocking your bloody phone, and not doing a strange dance, in the 
> middle of the street.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Aleeha Dudley
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:53 PM
> To: viPhone
> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
> 
> Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket, 
> you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID is 
> much more secure than TouchID ever was.
> Aleeha
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch 
>> id and replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
>> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is 
>> in something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. 
>> this is particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for 
>> example, as it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now 
>> you can't do that with this pesky face id rubbish!
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jed Barton" 
>> To: "viphone" 
>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
>> Subject: face id opinions wanted
>> 
>> 
>> Hey guys,
>> 
>> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest, 
>> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on 
>> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not 
>> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i 
>> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17 
>> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the 
>> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would 
>> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess 
>> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
>> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times 
>> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another 
>> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my 
>> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
>> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my 
>> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing 
>> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else 
>> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Jed
>> 
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RE: face id opinions wanted

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Maybe the Apple gods got tired of hearing folks complain...
Apple patent describes both Face ID and Touch ID on the same iPhone; Face ID on 
an Apple Watch
https://9to5mac.com/2018/12/17/face-id-and-touch-id/
Fine and dandy, but we're living in the hear and now. Face ID isn't all that, 
but it's what we've got and it works well enough.

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Maria 
Reyes
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 3:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Even if Apple came out with a phone with Face ID and Touch ID I'd most likely 
use Face ID more. When I first got my iPhone X, people told me to hold it about 
arms length and turn my head like a clock. 

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> On Dec 17, 2018, at 6:31 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> That is exactly what I was thinking. Who'd pay attention to you that much or 
> care? 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 6:08 PM
> To: viPhone 
> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
> 
> How would a sighted person know, what you are doing with your phone, if you 
> have your hand in your bag or pocket?
> 
> and frankly, who gives a crap, what someone else thinks!
> 
> You are unlocking your bloody phone, and not doing a strange dance, in the 
> middle of the street.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Aleeha Dudley
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:53 PM
> To: viPhone
> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
> 
> Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket, 
> you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID is 
> much more secure than TouchID ever was.
> Aleeha
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch 
>> id and replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
>> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone 
>> is in something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out.
>> this is particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back 
>> for example, as it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. 
>> but now you can't do that with this pesky face id rubbish!
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jed Barton" 
>> To: "viphone" 
>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
>> Subject: face id opinions wanted
>> 
>> 
>> Hey guys,
>> 
>> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest, 
>> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on 
>> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not 
>> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i 
>> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17 
>> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the 
>> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would 
>> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess 
>> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
>> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times 
>> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another 
>> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my 
>> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
>> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my 
>> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing 
>> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else 
>> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Jed
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Dave]

As i said earlier. I was a sighted person too, and i still do all the 
sighted things, that i use to.


But some blind people, find face ID difficult, and that is totally 
understandable to me.


Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Cristóbal Muñoz

Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: face id opinions wanted

I don't know about you, but if I want to look towards my right hand that may 
be holding my phone to unlock it, I'm not going to be looking at my left 
hand or staring off into space.
Moving your head all over the whatever.. Seriously, what are we talking 
about.

People are trying to fit a narrative that isn't true to fit their argument.
The only time you may need to move your head around is to do the initial 
scan. After that and if you're set up right, you just interact with the 
phone as you normally would when using it. I mean, I lost my vision so some 
sighted habits are just engrained into me. I still flick the lights on and 
off when entering my room or bathroom or whatever. I still generally look 
at/towards my phone when I'm using it, etc. Even with the touch ID, after I 
unlocked it, I still looked down at it or in  its general direction while I 
was doing whatever or reviewing this or that alert.

Maybe it's different if you've always been total. I really can't say.
And again, I'm an touch ID guy, but this really is becoming lets exaggerate 
X to try to win argument Y.


Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 4:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

i think people, were mainly talking about unlocking their phones, and not 
playing games, well having their phone in their pocket.


Moving your head all over the show, to unlock your phone, looks a lot more 
silly and blind, as a sighted person, will know exactly how to look at the 
handset, to unlock it.


Dave.

-Original Message-
From: alia robinson
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

no one is saying they don’t accept themselves. there’s saying groping around 
in your pocket looks weird. it has nothing to do with seeing or not seeing.


On Dec 17, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Dave  wrote:

mate, i use to be a sighted person.

And believe me, when i say. that some blind make themselves more 
conspicuouss, by trying not to look conspicuous!


Get over it, and accept you have a visual disability, you will be a happier 
person.


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[goshawk on horseback]

well I've always been a total, so I thank the good lord that I don't have 
all of these image hang ups. people take me as they find me, like it or lump 
it!

Simon


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From: "alia robinson" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted


I have been around sighted people all my life, and as far as I have ever 
been aware they have no misconceptions about me, and if they do I soon put 
them to rest. why do you think it makes no difference how we act?

On Dec 17, 2018, at 7:41 PM, goshawk on horseback 
 wrote:

exactly! you know what you are doing, and that's really all that matters.
not only that, but given the many misconceptions that sighteds still have
about us anyway, does it really make that much difference?

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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Jed Barton]

well, what i am finding here guys, now that i managed to get an
alternate scan, it's certainly working better.  Sorry for the rant.
I'll keep everyone posted.

On 12/17/18, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> Even the jacket pocket looks odd. It could look downright dangerous in the
> wrong place.
> Aleeha
>
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 2:41 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Indeed. In your jacket pocket is fine, but if in your pants pocket, you're
>> going to look like a pervert who is playing a hardcore game of pocket
>> pool.
>>
>> Cristóbal
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Aleeha Dudley
>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 11:54 AM
>> To: viPhone 
>> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
>> Importance: High
>>
>> Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket,
>> you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID
>> is much more secure than TouchID ever was.
>> Aleeha
>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch
>>> id and replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
>>> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is
>>> in something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out.
>>> this is particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for
>>> example, as it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now
>>> you can't do that with this pesky face id rubbish!
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Jed Barton" 
>>> To: "viphone" 
>>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
>>> Subject: face id opinions wanted
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
>>> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
>>> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
>>> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
>>> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
>>> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
>>> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
>>> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
>>> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
>>> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
>>> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
>>> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
>>> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
>>> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
>>> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
>>> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
>>> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jed
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[Dave]

How would a sighted person know, what you are doing with your phone, if you 
have your hand in your bag or pocket?


and frankly, who gives a crap, what someone else thinks!

You are unlocking your bloody phone, and not doing a strange dance, in the 
middle of the street.


Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Aleeha Dudley

Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:53 PM
To: viPhone
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket, 
you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID is 
much more secure than TouchID ever was.

Aleeha

On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
 wrote:


same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id 
and

replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in
something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is
particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as
it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do 
that

with this pesky face id rubbish!

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Jed Barton" 

To: "viphone" 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
Subject: face id opinions wanted


Hey guys,

OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.

Thanks,

Jed

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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Dave]

i think people, were mainly talking about unlocking their phones, and not 
playing games, well having their phone in their pocket.


Moving your head all over the show, to unlock your phone, looks a lot more 
silly and blind, as a sighted person, will know exactly how to look at the 
handset, to unlock it.


Dave.

-Original Message- 
From: alia robinson

Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

no one is saying they don’t accept themselves. there’s saying groping around 
in your pocket looks weird. it has nothing to do with seeing or not seeing.


On Dec 17, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Dave  wrote:

mate, i use to be a sighted person.

And believe me, when i say. that some blind make themselves more 
conspicuouss, by trying not to look conspicuous!


Get over it, and accept you have a visual disability, you will be a happier 
person.


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Re: face id opinions wanted

[alia robinson]

I have never seen a thing, and I always turn my head to my phone when I’m using 
it.

On Dec 17, 2018, at 7:43 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz  wrote:

I don't know about you, but if I want to look towards my right hand that may be 
holding my phone to unlock it, I'm not going to be looking at my left hand or 
staring off into space. 
Moving your head all over the whatever.. Seriously, what are we talking about.
People are trying to fit a narrative that isn't true to fit their argument. 
The only time you may need to move your head around is to do the initial scan. 
After that and if you're set up right, you just interact with the phone as you 
normally would when using it. I mean, I lost my vision so some sighted habits 
are just engrained into me. I still flick the lights on and off when entering 
my room or bathroom or whatever. I still generally look at/towards my phone 
when I'm using it, etc. Even with the touch ID, after I unlocked it, I still 
looked down at it or in  its general direction while I was doing whatever or 
reviewing this or that alert.
Maybe it's different if you've always been total. I really can't say. 
And again, I'm an touch ID guy, but this really is becoming lets exaggerate X 
to try to win argument Y.

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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Aleeha Dudley]

Responding to both these messages in one, at the risk of being off topic, you 
would care about looking strange if a future boss saw it. Just saying, and now 
I’m done.
Aleeha 

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:57 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Well, to be fair, some blind people don’t really care if it looks normal. 
> It’s an advantage that we have, that we could use a phone without needing to 
> have it even remotely pointing towards us. But we must adapt. I can almost 
> guarantee that Android manufacturers will adopt something like FaceID, albeit 
> without the true security that Apple gives, well, not counting attention-mode 
> being off for us… Even then they couldn’t take the phone without you at least 
> hearing the unlock sound, at most hearing VoiceOver speaking. Sure, it’s a 
> little painful now, but it will get better, as it did with TouchID.
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Aleeha Dudley  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket, 
>> you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID is 
>> much more secure than TouchID ever was.
>> Aleeha 
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id and 
>>> replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
>>> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in 
>>> something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is 
>>> particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as 
>>> it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do 
>>> that 
>>> with this pesky face id rubbish!
>>> 
>>> Simon
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Jed Barton" 
>>> To: "viphone" 
>>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
>>> Subject: face id opinions wanted
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hey guys,
>>> 
>>> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
>>> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
>>> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
>>> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
>>> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
>>> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
>>> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
>>> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
>>> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
>>> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
>>> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
>>> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
>>> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
>>> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
>>> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
>>> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
>>> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Jed
>>> 
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Devin Prater]

Also, if we want to look normal while using our phone, we gotta get 
rid of our Bluetooth keyboards, Braille displays, and tactile screen 
protectors, and never ever let the world hear VoiceOver blaring out of your 
speakers, no one wants to hear all that computer talk.

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 2:05 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>  wrote:
> 
> who gives a toss about looks and all of this normality trash! I certainly 
> don't!
> given the choice, I would much rather be able to use touch id whilst the 
> phone is in a bumbag whilst I am out riding, rather than having to take it 
> out for this stupid face id, and increase the risk of dropping it if the 
> horse spooks or something any day, and stuff how it looks.
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Aleeha Dudley" 
> To: "viPhone" 
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:53 PM
> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
> 
> 
> Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket, 
> you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID is 
> much more secure than TouchID ever was.
> Aleeha
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id 
>> and
>> replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
>> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in
>> something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is
>> particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as
>> it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do 
>> that
>> with this pesky face id rubbish!
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Jed Barton" 
>> To: "viphone" 
>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
>> Subject: face id opinions wanted
>> 
>> 
>> Hey guys,
>> 
>> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
>> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
>> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
>> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
>> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
>> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
>> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
>> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
>> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
>> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
>> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
>> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
>> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
>> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
>> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
>> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
>> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Jed
>> 
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[lenron brown]

Thing is I can use face id just fine, It's just annoying as hell. I
tried it back when my mom had the max for a couple weeks. Also I am
not just talking about having the phone in a pocket, there are other
things that make it not so nice. Like someone mentioned laying down a
bit ago.

On 12/17/18, goshawk on horseback  wrote:
> that's probably all well and good if you have a good sense of direction
> and/or orientation. if those are a bit rubbish however, then it is a very
> different story!
>
> Simon
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Aleeha Dudley" 
> To: "viPhone" 
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:55 PM
> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
>
>
> Hi,
> I can’t see at all and set it up just fine, and I know that many others have
>
> as well. You don’t have to be really accurate. Just hold the phone
> vertically a little ways away from you and it should be fine. Make sure you
>
> have attention mode turned off, especially if your eyes move a lot or don’t
>
> open.
> Aleeha
>
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:50 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
>>
>> that's the whole point.  I've just really struggled with it.  Like i
>> said, when you can't see the screen, i'm pointing my phone, in what
>> seems like the right direction.  Literally, if you're a quarter inch
>> off, you're done.  I shouldn't have to sit there for 30 seconds to try
>> and unlock my phone.  That's 30 seconds when i could be productive.
>>
>> On 12/17/18, goshawk on horseback 
>> wrote:
>>> exactly! what a whole load of messing around, and when touch id was so
>>> much
>>>
>>> easier!
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "lenron brown" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
>>>
>>>
>>> All this just to get a phone to unlock, um not worth it. Spin your
>>> head around hop up and down all that mumble jumble. When all I want to
>>> do is just make my phone unlock. Yeah yall can keep face id.
>>>
>>> On 12/17/18, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
 Hi,
 I do not have any issue with it. In fact, it took me less than thirty
 seconds to set it up and it works perfectly. What I like to tell my
 students
 is to think of your nose as the central point on a clock face. When you
 set
 up FaceID, rotate your head around in a circle slowly, as if you were
 going
 from six o’clock all the way back around the clock to six again. This
 usually works. Also, be sure to hold the phone vertically in front of
 you,
 six or so inches away from your face.
 Aleeha

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jed
>
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[goshawk on horseback]

exactly! what a whole load of messing around, and when touch id was so much 
easier!

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "lenron brown" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted


All this just to get a phone to unlock, um not worth it. Spin your
head around hop up and down all that mumble jumble. When all I want to
do is just make my phone unlock. Yeah yall can keep face id.

On 12/17/18, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> Hi,
> I do not have any issue with it. In fact, it took me less than thirty
> seconds to set it up and it works perfectly. What I like to tell my 
> students
> is to think of your nose as the central point on a clock face. When you 
> set
> up FaceID, rotate your head around in a circle slowly, as if you were 
> going
> from six o’clock all the way back around the clock to six again. This
> usually works. Also, be sure to hold the phone vertically in front of you,
> six or so inches away from your face.
> Aleeha
>
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
>> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
>> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
>> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
>> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
>> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
>> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
>> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
>> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
>> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
>> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
>> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
>> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
>> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
>> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
>> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
>> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jed
>>
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[lenron brown]

Well that's the only way I would ever consider buying another IPhone.
When my mac dies it will be my last mac, unless I can find some kind
of amazing deal on one with everything I want. I am tired of giving
companies money and not getting exactly what I want. I just think
about the price of having to replace my ssd on my MBP 2014 and it's
not even worth it.

On 12/17/18, Devin Prater  wrote:
> I’ve heard, recently, that at some point Apple will have a phone with
> in-screen touch-ID, and FaceID at the same time. Of course, this is years
> away, but your iPhone 8 can last years too.
>
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback
>>  wrote:
>>
>> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id
>> and
>> replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
>> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in
>>
>> something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is
>>
>> particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as
>>
>> it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do
>> that
>> with this pesky face id rubbish!
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jed Barton" 
>> To: "viphone" 
>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
>> Subject: face id opinions wanted
>>
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
>> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
>> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
>> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
>> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
>> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
>> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
>> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
>> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
>> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
>> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
>> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
>> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
>> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
>> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
>> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
>> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jed
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Devin Prater]

Well, to be fair, some blind people don’t really care if it looks normal. It’s 
an advantage that we have, that we could use a phone without needing to have it 
even remotely pointing towards us. But we must adapt. I can almost guarantee 
that Android manufacturers will adopt something like FaceID, albeit without the 
true security that Apple gives, well, not counting attention-mode being off for 
us… Even then they couldn’t take the phone without you at least hearing the 
unlock sound, at most hearing VoiceOver speaking. Sure, it’s a little painful 
now, but it will get better, as it did with TouchID.

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> 
> Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket, 
> you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID is 
> much more secure than TouchID ever was.
> Aleeha 
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id and 
>> replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
>> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in 
>> something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is 
>> particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as 
>> it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do that 
>> with this pesky face id rubbish!
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Jed Barton" 
>> To: "viphone" 
>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
>> Subject: face id opinions wanted
>> 
>> 
>> Hey guys,
>> 
>> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
>> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
>> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
>> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
>> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
>> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
>> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
>> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
>> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
>> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
>> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
>> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
>> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
>> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
>> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
>> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
>> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Jed
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[lenron brown]

I got touch Id setup in know time. Also if it's cold out, using my
phone in my pocket works just fine for certain things. hahaha face id
more secure than touch id not worried about that when I don't have my
phone around anyone I am worried about hacking my device.

On 12/17/18, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> Hi,
> I can’t see at all and set it up just fine, and I know that many others have
> as well. You don’t have to be really accurate. Just hold the phone
> vertically a little ways away from you and it should be fine. Make sure you
> have attention mode turned off, especially if your eyes move a lot or don’t
> open.
> Aleeha
>
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:50 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
>>
>> that's the whole point.  I've just really struggled with it.  Like i
>> said, when you can't see the screen, i'm pointing my phone, in what
>> seems like the right direction.  Literally, if you're a quarter inch
>> off, you're done.  I shouldn't have to sit there for 30 seconds to try
>> and unlock my phone.  That's 30 seconds when i could be productive.
>>
>> On 12/17/18, goshawk on horseback 
>> wrote:
>>> exactly! what a whole load of messing around, and when touch id was so
>>> much
>>>
>>> easier!
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "lenron brown" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
>>>
>>>
>>> All this just to get a phone to unlock, um not worth it. Spin your
>>> head around hop up and down all that mumble jumble. When all I want to
>>> do is just make my phone unlock. Yeah yall can keep face id.
>>>
>>> On 12/17/18, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
 Hi,
 I do not have any issue with it. In fact, it took me less than thirty
 seconds to set it up and it works perfectly. What I like to tell my
 students
 is to think of your nose as the central point on a clock face. When you
 set
 up FaceID, rotate your head around in a circle slowly, as if you were
 going
 from six o’clock all the way back around the clock to six again. This
 usually works. Also, be sure to hold the phone vertically in front of
 you,
 six or so inches away from your face.
 Aleeha

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jed
>
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Devin Prater]

I think most people would be too surprised to see a blind person using an 
iPhone just like theirs to notice that oh my goodness the blind person is just 
using the thing flat on that table while facing me, so how can they see what’s 
on their phone?

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 2:02 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> Ha you think I am worried about someone tripping out about me using my
> phone a certain way. I am blind my cane would probably be the first
> thing to throw them off.
> 
> On 12/17/18, lenron brown mailto:lenro...@gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
>> Thing is when you talk about android you have choices at this point,
>> just as you can go for the IPhone 7 or 8 at this point. Keep in mind
>> lots of companies are trying to get this in screen fingerprint thing
>> off the ground.
>> 
>> On 12/17/18, lenron brown  wrote:
>>> I got touch Id setup in know time. Also if it's cold out, using my
>>> phone in my pocket works just fine for certain things. hahaha face id
>>> more secure than touch id not worried about that when I don't have my
>>> phone around anyone I am worried about hacking my device.
>>> 
>>> On 12/17/18, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
 Hi,
 I can’t see at all and set it up just fine, and I know that many others
 have
 as well. You don’t have to be really accurate. Just hold the phone
 vertically a little ways away from you and it should be fine. Make sure
 you
 have attention mode turned off, especially if your eyes move a lot or
 don’t
 open.
 Aleeha
 
> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:50 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
> 
> that's the whole point.  I've just really struggled with it.  Like i
> said, when you can't see the screen, i'm pointing my phone, in what
> seems like the right direction.  Literally, if you're a quarter inch
> off, you're done.  I shouldn't have to sit there for 30 seconds to try
> and unlock my phone.  That's 30 seconds when i could be productive.
> 
> On 12/17/18, goshawk on horseback 
> wrote:
>> exactly! what a whole load of messing around, and when touch id was so
>> much
>> 
>> easier!
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "lenron brown" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
>> 
>> 
>> All this just to get a phone to unlock, um not worth it. Spin your
>> head around hop up and down all that mumble jumble. When all I want to
>> do is just make my phone unlock. Yeah yall can keep face id.
>> 
>> On 12/17/18, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I do not have any issue with it. In fact, it took me less than thirty
>>> seconds to set it up and it works perfectly. What I like to tell my
>>> students
>>> is to think of your nose as the central point on a clock face. When
>>> you
>>> set
>>> up FaceID, rotate your head around in a circle slowly, as if you were
>>> going
>>> from six o’clock all the way back around the clock to six again. This
>>> usually works. Also, be sure to hold the phone vertically in front of
>>> you,
>>> six or so inches away from your face.
>>> Aleeha
>>> 
 On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
 
 Hey guys,
 
 OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally
 honest,
 i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
 technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or
 not
 as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
 am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
 minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
 towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it
 would
 tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
 that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
 I have 1 appearance setup on my phone. What i find, out of 20 times
 i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
 thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
 phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying
 down.
 In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
 phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
 open. The fingerprint was way more reliable. Has anyone else
 experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Jed
 
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[goshawk on horseback]

that's probably all well and good if you have a good sense of direction 
and/or orientation. if those are a bit rubbish however, then it is a very 
different story!

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Aleeha Dudley" 
To: "viPhone" 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted


Hi,
I can’t see at all and set it up just fine, and I know that many others have 
as well. You don’t have to be really accurate. Just hold the phone 
vertically a little ways away from you and it should be fine. Make sure you 
have attention mode turned off, especially if your eyes move a lot or don’t 
open.
Aleeha

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:50 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
>
> that's the whole point.  I've just really struggled with it.  Like i
> said, when you can't see the screen, i'm pointing my phone, in what
> seems like the right direction.  Literally, if you're a quarter inch
> off, you're done.  I shouldn't have to sit there for 30 seconds to try
> and unlock my phone.  That's 30 seconds when i could be productive.
>
> On 12/17/18, goshawk on horseback  
> wrote:
>> exactly! what a whole load of messing around, and when touch id was so 
>> much
>>
>> easier!
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "lenron brown" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
>>
>>
>> All this just to get a phone to unlock, um not worth it. Spin your
>> head around hop up and down all that mumble jumble. When all I want to
>> do is just make my phone unlock. Yeah yall can keep face id.
>>
>> On 12/17/18, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I do not have any issue with it. In fact, it took me less than thirty
>>> seconds to set it up and it works perfectly. What I like to tell my
>>> students
>>> is to think of your nose as the central point on a clock face. When you
>>> set
>>> up FaceID, rotate your head around in a circle slowly, as if you were
>>> going
>>> from six o’clock all the way back around the clock to six again. This
>>> usually works. Also, be sure to hold the phone vertically in front of
>>> you,
>>> six or so inches away from your face.
>>> Aleeha
>>>
 On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:

 Hey guys,

 OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
 i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
 technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
 as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
 am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
 minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
 towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
 tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
 that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
 I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
 i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
 thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
 phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
 In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
 phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
 open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
 experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.

 Thanks,

 Jed

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RE: face id opinions wanted

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Hyperbolic much?
The Touch ID thing and ability to use your iPhone while in your pocket sure was 
handy, but come on, we're such a small user group. To think Apple's going to 
somehow change their plans over something like this? 
Besides, you can still unlock your phone without removing it from your pocket 
just by simply unlocking with the passcode. Same as before there was a touch 
ID. 
I’m not a face ID fan and also prefer the touch ID, but I'm at least not having 
as many issues as others seem to be having. I do get the failure scan from time 
to time, but I either just swipe up again or since I've got my hand on the 
phone anyway, I just punch in the code real quick. 
If Apple were ever to come out with a phone that has touch ID imbedded in the 
screen like some android devices already have, I'd probably get it, but face ID 
while not as convenient isn't the end of the world either.
Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of goshawk 
on horseback
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 11:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
Importance: High

same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id and 
replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in 
something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is 
particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as it 
greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do that with 
this pesky face id rubbish!

Simon


- Original Message -
From: "Jed Barton" 
To: "viphone" 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
Subject: face id opinions wanted


Hey guys,

OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.

Thanks,

Jed

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face id opinions wanted

[Jed Barton]

Hey guys,

OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.

Thanks,

Jed

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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Aleeha Dudley]

Hi, 
I can’t see at all and set it up just fine, and I know that many others have as 
well. You don’t have to be really accurate. Just hold the phone vertically a 
little ways away from you and it should be fine. Make sure you have attention 
mode turned off, especially if your eyes move a lot or don’t open.
Aleeha 

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:50 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
> 
> that's the whole point.  I've just really struggled with it.  Like i
> said, when you can't see the screen, i'm pointing my phone, in what
> seems like the right direction.  Literally, if you're a quarter inch
> off, you're done.  I shouldn't have to sit there for 30 seconds to try
> and unlock my phone.  That's 30 seconds when i could be productive.
> 
> On 12/17/18, goshawk on horseback  wrote:
>> exactly! what a whole load of messing around, and when touch id was so much
>> 
>> easier!
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "lenron brown" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
>> 
>> 
>> All this just to get a phone to unlock, um not worth it. Spin your
>> head around hop up and down all that mumble jumble. When all I want to
>> do is just make my phone unlock. Yeah yall can keep face id.
>> 
>> On 12/17/18, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I do not have any issue with it. In fact, it took me less than thirty
>>> seconds to set it up and it works perfectly. What I like to tell my
>>> students
>>> is to think of your nose as the central point on a clock face. When you
>>> set
>>> up FaceID, rotate your head around in a circle slowly, as if you were
>>> going
>>> from six o’clock all the way back around the clock to six again. This
>>> usually works. Also, be sure to hold the phone vertically in front of
>>> you,
>>> six or so inches away from your face.
>>> Aleeha
>>> 
 On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
 
 Hey guys,
 
 OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
 i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
 technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
 as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
 am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
 minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
 towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
 tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
 that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
 I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
 i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
 thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
 phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
 In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
 phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
 open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
 experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
 
 Thanks,
 
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RE: face id opinions wanted

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Indeed. In your jacket pocket is fine, but if in your pants pocket, you're 
going to look like a pervert who is playing a hardcore game of pocket pool. 

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Aleeha 
Dudley
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 11:54 AM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
Importance: High

Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket, you 
look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID is much 
more secure than TouchID ever was.
Aleeha 

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>  wrote:
> 
> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch 
> id and replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is 
> in something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. 
> this is particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for 
> example, as it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now 
> you can't do that with this pesky face id rubbish!
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jed Barton" 
> To: "viphone" 
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
> Subject: face id opinions wanted
> 
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest, 
> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on 
> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not 
> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i 
> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17 
> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the 
> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would 
> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess 
> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times 
> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another 
> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my 
> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my 
> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing 
> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else 
> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jed
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Re: A few questions about Bos speakers and Spotify versus apple music

[Shermeen Khan]

Thanks so much, Sieghard. Am I correct in understanding that the bos
sound link is not an airplay speaker, then? it must be via Bluetooth
only?


On 12/17/18, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Personally I don't use Playlists a lot and I still think Apple has more
> music, but ultimately these Playlists are curated content so it depnds on
> your taste.
> As for Voiceover coming through the Bose speaker that can't be changed, any
> Bluetooth speaker will stream any audio and you would need an
> Airplay/Airplay 2 capable speaker to do what you want. With Airplay only the
> music is streamed on the speaker and Voiceover remains on the phone.
> Personally I find there is good use for both.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Shermeen Khan
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 5:38 AM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: A few questions about Bos speakers and Spotify versus apple music
>
> Hi all,
>
> A few quick questions, if that's ok.
>
> This weekend, I received as a present a bos sounlink mini--it's such a
> powerful and tiny little speaker, and I got it paired to my IPhone
> with minimal effort. That said, voiceover continues to play through
> the bos speaker, which means that while I'm streaming music to the
> speaker, I can't really use my phone for any other reason. is there a
> way for the music to come through the speaker and for voiceover to
> continue coming through the phone itself? or is that just wishful
> thinking?
>
> Secondly, a friend of mine has spotify, and I've found that the
> playlists available to him are often better than those I can find on
> apple music. Can anyone comment as to their experience with apple
> music vs. spotify? could you justify having both? I say this knowing
> it's obviously a matter of preference. Also, is spotify accessible
> enough?
>
> Thanks very much in advance, and I hope everyone has a wonderful holiday
> season!
>
> Shermeen
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Devin Prater]

I’ve heard, recently, that at some point Apple will have a phone with in-screen 
touch-ID, and FaceID at the same time. Of course, this is years away, but your 
iPhone 8 can last years too.

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>  wrote:
> 
> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id and 
> replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in 
> something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is 
> particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as 
> it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do that 
> with this pesky face id rubbish!
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jed Barton" 
> To: "viphone" 
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
> Subject: face id opinions wanted
> 
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jed
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Aleeha Dudley]

It actually takes less time to set up than Touch ID did. 
Aleeha 

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:42 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> All this just to get a phone to unlock, um not worth it. Spin your
> head around hop up and down all that mumble jumble. When all I want to
> do is just make my phone unlock. Yeah yall can keep face id.
> 
> On 12/17/18, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I do not have any issue with it. In fact, it took me less than thirty
>> seconds to set it up and it works perfectly. What I like to tell my students
>> is to think of your nose as the central point on a clock face. When you set
>> up FaceID, rotate your head around in a circle slowly, as if you were going
>> from six o’clock all the way back around the clock to six again. This
>> usually works. Also, be sure to hold the phone vertically in front of you,
>> six or so inches away from your face.
>> Aleeha
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey guys,
>>> 
>>> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
>>> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
>>> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
>>> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
>>> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
>>> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
>>> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
>>> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
>>> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
>>> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
>>> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
>>> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
>>> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
>>> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
>>> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
>>> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
>>> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Jed
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[lenron brown]

Thing is when you talk about android you have choices at this point,
just as you can go for the IPhone 7 or 8 at this point. Keep in mind
lots of companies are trying to get this in screen fingerprint thing
off the ground.

On 12/17/18, lenron brown  wrote:
> I got touch Id setup in know time. Also if it's cold out, using my
> phone in my pocket works just fine for certain things. hahaha face id
> more secure than touch id not worried about that when I don't have my
> phone around anyone I am worried about hacking my device.
>
> On 12/17/18, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I can’t see at all and set it up just fine, and I know that many others
>> have
>> as well. You don’t have to be really accurate. Just hold the phone
>> vertically a little ways away from you and it should be fine. Make sure
>> you
>> have attention mode turned off, especially if your eyes move a lot or
>> don’t
>> open.
>> Aleeha
>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:50 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
>>>
>>> that's the whole point.  I've just really struggled with it.  Like i
>>> said, when you can't see the screen, i'm pointing my phone, in what
>>> seems like the right direction.  Literally, if you're a quarter inch
>>> off, you're done.  I shouldn't have to sit there for 30 seconds to try
>>> and unlock my phone.  That's 30 seconds when i could be productive.
>>>
>>> On 12/17/18, goshawk on horseback 
>>> wrote:
 exactly! what a whole load of messing around, and when touch id was so
 much

 easier!

 Simon


 - Original Message -
 From: "lenron brown" 
 To: 
 Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:42 PM
 Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted


 All this just to get a phone to unlock, um not worth it. Spin your
 head around hop up and down all that mumble jumble. When all I want to
 do is just make my phone unlock. Yeah yall can keep face id.

 On 12/17/18, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> Hi,
> I do not have any issue with it. In fact, it took me less than thirty
> seconds to set it up and it works perfectly. What I like to tell my
> students
> is to think of your nose as the central point on a clock face. When
> you
> set
> up FaceID, rotate your head around in a circle slowly, as if you were
> going
> from six o’clock all the way back around the clock to six again. This
> usually works. Also, be sure to hold the phone vertically in front of
> you,
> six or so inches away from your face.
> Aleeha
>
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
>> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
>> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
>> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
>> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
>> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
>> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
>> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
>> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
>> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
>> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
>> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
>> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
>> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
>> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
>> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
>> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jed
>>
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Aleeha Dudley]

Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket, you 
look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID is much 
more secure than TouchID ever was.
Aleeha 

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>  wrote:
> 
> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id and 
> replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in 
> something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is 
> particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as 
> it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do that 
> with this pesky face id rubbish!
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jed Barton" 
> To: "viphone" 
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
> Subject: face id opinions wanted
> 
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jed
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Devin Prater]

You may want to try setting up FaceID again. I’ve gotten rather good at it, and 
if it doesn’t get it the first time, point your phone screen down, or away from 
you, then back at your face, and it’ll scan again.

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:50 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
> 
> that's the whole point.  I've just really struggled with it.  Like i
> said, when you can't see the screen, i'm pointing my phone, in what
> seems like the right direction.  Literally, if you're a quarter inch
> off, you're done.  I shouldn't have to sit there for 30 seconds to try
> and unlock my phone.  That's 30 seconds when i could be productive.
> 
> On 12/17/18, goshawk on horseback  wrote:
>> exactly! what a whole load of messing around, and when touch id was so much
>> 
>> easier!
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "lenron brown" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
>> 
>> 
>> All this just to get a phone to unlock, um not worth it. Spin your
>> head around hop up and down all that mumble jumble. When all I want to
>> do is just make my phone unlock. Yeah yall can keep face id.
>> 
>> On 12/17/18, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I do not have any issue with it. In fact, it took me less than thirty
>>> seconds to set it up and it works perfectly. What I like to tell my
>>> students
>>> is to think of your nose as the central point on a clock face. When you
>>> set
>>> up FaceID, rotate your head around in a circle slowly, as if you were
>>> going
>>> from six o’clock all the way back around the clock to six again. This
>>> usually works. Also, be sure to hold the phone vertically in front of
>>> you,
>>> six or so inches away from your face.
>>> Aleeha
>>> 
 On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
 
 Hey guys,
 
 OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
 i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
 technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
 as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
 am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
 minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
 towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
 tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
 that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
 I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
 i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
 thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
 phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
 In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
 phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
 open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
 experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Aleeha Dudley]

Hi, 
I do not have any issue with it. In fact, it took me less than thirty seconds 
to set it up and it works perfectly. What I like to tell my students is to 
think of your nose as the central point on a clock face. When you set up 
FaceID, rotate your head around in a circle slowly, as if you were going from 
six o’clock all the way back around the clock to six again. This usually works. 
Also, be sure to hold the phone vertically in front of you, six or so inches 
away from your face.
Aleeha 

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jed
> 
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[goshawk on horseback]

thanks a lot, that's not a lot of help, as I am using an iPhone X.

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Devin Prater" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted


I’ve heard, recently, that at some point Apple will have a phone with 
in-screen touch-ID, and FaceID at the same time. Of course, this is years 
away, but your iPhone 8 can last years too.

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>  wrote:
>
> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id 
> and
> replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in
> something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is
> particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as
> it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do 
> that
> with this pesky face id rubbish!
>
> Simon
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jed Barton" 
> To: "viphone" 
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
> Subject: face id opinions wanted
>
>
> Hey guys,
>
> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jed
>
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[Jed Barton]

that's the whole point.  I've just really struggled with it.  Like i
said, when you can't see the screen, i'm pointing my phone, in what
seems like the right direction.  Literally, if you're a quarter inch
off, you're done.  I shouldn't have to sit there for 30 seconds to try
and unlock my phone.  That's 30 seconds when i could be productive.

On 12/17/18, goshawk on horseback  wrote:
> exactly! what a whole load of messing around, and when touch id was so much
>
> easier!
>
> Simon
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "lenron brown" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:42 PM
> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
>
>
> All this just to get a phone to unlock, um not worth it. Spin your
> head around hop up and down all that mumble jumble. When all I want to
> do is just make my phone unlock. Yeah yall can keep face id.
>
> On 12/17/18, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I do not have any issue with it. In fact, it took me less than thirty
>> seconds to set it up and it works perfectly. What I like to tell my
>> students
>> is to think of your nose as the central point on a clock face. When you
>> set
>> up FaceID, rotate your head around in a circle slowly, as if you were
>> going
>> from six o’clock all the way back around the clock to six again. This
>> usually works. Also, be sure to hold the phone vertically in front of
>> you,
>> six or so inches away from your face.
>> Aleeha
>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
>>> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
>>> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
>>> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
>>> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
>>> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
>>> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
>>> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
>>> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
>>> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
>>> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
>>> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
>>> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
>>> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
>>> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
>>> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
>>> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jed
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[lenron brown]

Ha you think I am worried about someone tripping out about me using my
phone a certain way. I am blind my cane would probably be the first
thing to throw them off.

On 12/17/18, lenron brown  wrote:
> Thing is when you talk about android you have choices at this point,
> just as you can go for the IPhone 7 or 8 at this point. Keep in mind
> lots of companies are trying to get this in screen fingerprint thing
> off the ground.
>
> On 12/17/18, lenron brown  wrote:
>> I got touch Id setup in know time. Also if it's cold out, using my
>> phone in my pocket works just fine for certain things. hahaha face id
>> more secure than touch id not worried about that when I don't have my
>> phone around anyone I am worried about hacking my device.
>>
>> On 12/17/18, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I can’t see at all and set it up just fine, and I know that many others
>>> have
>>> as well. You don’t have to be really accurate. Just hold the phone
>>> vertically a little ways away from you and it should be fine. Make sure
>>> you
>>> have attention mode turned off, especially if your eyes move a lot or
>>> don’t
>>> open.
>>> Aleeha
>>>
 On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:50 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:

 that's the whole point.  I've just really struggled with it.  Like i
 said, when you can't see the screen, i'm pointing my phone, in what
 seems like the right direction.  Literally, if you're a quarter inch
 off, you're done.  I shouldn't have to sit there for 30 seconds to try
 and unlock my phone.  That's 30 seconds when i could be productive.

 On 12/17/18, goshawk on horseback 
 wrote:
> exactly! what a whole load of messing around, and when touch id was so
> much
>
> easier!
>
> Simon
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "lenron brown" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:42 PM
> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
>
>
> All this just to get a phone to unlock, um not worth it. Spin your
> head around hop up and down all that mumble jumble. When all I want to
> do is just make my phone unlock. Yeah yall can keep face id.
>
> On 12/17/18, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I do not have any issue with it. In fact, it took me less than thirty
>> seconds to set it up and it works perfectly. What I like to tell my
>> students
>> is to think of your nose as the central point on a clock face. When
>> you
>> set
>> up FaceID, rotate your head around in a circle slowly, as if you were
>> going
>> from six o’clock all the way back around the clock to six again. This
>> usually works. Also, be sure to hold the phone vertically in front of
>> you,
>> six or so inches away from your face.
>> Aleeha
>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally
>>> honest,
>>> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
>>> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or
>>> not
>>> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
>>> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
>>> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
>>> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it
>>> would
>>> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
>>> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
>>> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
>>> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
>>> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
>>> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying
>>> down.
>>> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
>>> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
>>> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
>>> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jed
>>>
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Aleeha Dudley]

Even the jacket pocket looks odd. It could look downright dangerous in the 
wrong place. 
Aleeha 

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 2:41 PM, Cristóbal Muñoz  wrote:
> 
> Indeed. In your jacket pocket is fine, but if in your pants pocket, you're 
> going to look like a pervert who is playing a hardcore game of pocket pool. 
> 
> Cristóbal
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Aleeha 
> Dudley
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 11:54 AM
> To: viPhone 
> Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted
> Importance: High
> 
> Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket, 
> you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID is 
> much more secure than TouchID ever was.
> Aleeha 
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch 
>> id and replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
>> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is 
>> in something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. 
>> this is particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for 
>> example, as it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now 
>> you can't do that with this pesky face id rubbish!
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jed Barton" 
>> To: "viphone" 
>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
>> Subject: face id opinions wanted
>> 
>> 
>> Hey guys,
>> 
>> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest, 
>> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on 
>> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not 
>> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i 
>> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17 
>> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the 
>> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would 
>> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess 
>> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
>> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times 
>> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another 
>> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my 
>> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
>> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my 
>> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing 
>> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else 
>> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Jed
>> 
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Airplay question

[Marie]

Is there some way to get the audio from an app which does not list airplay as 
an option to route to an airplay capable device such as the Sonos One?
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[goshawk on horseback]

same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id and 
replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in 
something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is 
particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as 
it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do that 
with this pesky face id rubbish!

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Jed Barton" 
To: "viphone" 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
Subject: face id opinions wanted


Hey guys,

OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.

Thanks,

Jed

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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Devin Prater]

I don’t mind it. Sure, when I’m laying in bed it’s a little of a hassle, but 
with a Bluetooth keyboard, I’d not really have that problem as I’d just enter 
my passcode on it anyway.

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:42 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> All this just to get a phone to unlock, um not worth it. Spin your
> head around hop up and down all that mumble jumble. When all I want to
> do is just make my phone unlock. Yeah yall can keep face id.
> 
> On 12/17/18, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I do not have any issue with it. In fact, it took me less than thirty
>> seconds to set it up and it works perfectly. What I like to tell my students
>> is to think of your nose as the central point on a clock face. When you set
>> up FaceID, rotate your head around in a circle slowly, as if you were going
>> from six o’clock all the way back around the clock to six again. This
>> usually works. Also, be sure to hold the phone vertically in front of you,
>> six or so inches away from your face.
>> Aleeha
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey guys,
>>> 
>>> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
>>> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
>>> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
>>> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
>>> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
>>> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
>>> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
>>> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
>>> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
>>> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
>>> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
>>> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
>>> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
>>> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
>>> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
>>> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
>>> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Jed
>>> 
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Resetting a 6 S

[Anna Dresner]

Hi everyone,

I strongly recommend turning off iCloud Keychain on your phone before resetting 
network settings. I didn't do this once, and information about all the Wi-Fi 
networks I had joined was deleted from my phone, iPad, and Mac. If you only 
connect to one network and only have one Apple device, this isn't a big deal, 
but I connect to my mom's network occasionally, my husband's work network, my 
temple's network, and my in-laws' network, and it was tedious re-entering all 
those passwords. I checked with Apple recently, and they confirmed that this 
can still happen.

Best,
Anna

> On Dec 16, 2018, at 10:23 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Keith,
>  
> I might not be Anna, but I can answer your question. No, you don't have to 
> turn off iOS Keychain, but what Anna meant to say is that if you first turn 
> it off, then do reset network settings and then turn it back on that it 
> should then remember your WiFi password so that when you connect to your WiFi 
> again you don't have to enter it. I am not sure if your iPhone's name is also 
> reset to what it was before. I did think about this some more and decided 
> that for me having to enter my WiFi password is not really a big deal, after 
> all, by the time I go into the Settings under my Apple Id, iCloud and 
> Keychain and turn it off and then repeat I can easily enter my WiFi password 
> or, in my case, I just ask my wife to hold her phone close and she then gets 
> the request to share it with me.
>  
> From: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone  > 
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 8:10 PM
> To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com ' 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Resetting a 6 S
>  
> Hi Anna,
>  
> Can I please just confirm? I understand your comment below to mean that if I 
> do a Reset of Network Settings, that I must first turn off iOS Keychain. Is 
> that right? I think I have done a reset of network settings without doing 
> this, and all seemed good with iOS keychain. But, I just can’t remember for 
> sure that I have done this reset since activating keychain.
>  
> Thanks for any clarification.
>  
> Keith
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of Anna Dresner
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 3:35 PM
> To: VIPhone Mailing List
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Resetting a 6 S
>  
> Hi,
>  
> If you use iCloud Keychain and want to reset network settings, turn off 
> iCloud Keychain, reset the settings, and then turn iCloud Keychain back on. 
> Then most of your network information will be copied back to your phone 
> automatically.
>  
> Best,
> Anna
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
> On Dec 16, 2018, at 12:58 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  > wrote:
>  
> And, if the reboot or hard reset also don't help try Reset Network Settings 
> in Settings > General > Reset.
> Remember that if you do this you have to reconnect to your WiFi including 
> entering your WiFi password and if you had named your iPhone something like 
> "Dulce's iPhone" you have to go to Settings > General > About and double tap 
> on the name field which after a Reset Network Settings will just have 
> "iPhone" in it, you can then edit it and call it whatever you want.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
> Anna Dresner
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 10:31 AM
> To: VIPhone Mailing List  >
> Subject: Re: Resetting a 6 S
>  
> Hi,
>  
> First, try turning it off and then back on. If that doesn't help, hold down 
> the Home and Power buttons for about 10 seconds.
>  
> Best,
> Anna
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 16, 2018, at 12:21 PM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn 
> mailto:dulceandspa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi, All,
> 
> 
> My 6S iPhone has been misbehaving badly, so I want to do a reset. What are 
> the keystrokes for both a soft or hard reset?
> 
> 
> Dulce 
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[lenron brown]

All this just to get a phone to unlock, um not worth it. Spin your
head around hop up and down all that mumble jumble. When all I want to
do is just make my phone unlock. Yeah yall can keep face id.

On 12/17/18, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> Hi,
> I do not have any issue with it. In fact, it took me less than thirty
> seconds to set it up and it works perfectly. What I like to tell my students
> is to think of your nose as the central point on a clock face. When you set
> up FaceID, rotate your head around in a circle slowly, as if you were going
> from six o’clock all the way back around the clock to six again. This
> usually works. Also, be sure to hold the phone vertically in front of you,
> six or so inches away from your face.
> Aleeha
>
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
>> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
>> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
>> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
>> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
>> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
>> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
>> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
>> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
>> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
>> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
>> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
>> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
>> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
>> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
>> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
>> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jed
>>
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[goshawk on horseback]

who gives a toss about looks and all of this normality trash! I certainly 
don't!
given the choice, I would much rather be able to use touch id whilst the 
phone is in a bumbag whilst I am out riding, rather than having to take it 
out for this stupid face id, and increase the risk of dropping it if the 
horse spooks or something any day, and stuff how it looks.

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Aleeha Dudley" 
To: "viPhone" 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted


Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket, 
you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID is 
much more secure than TouchID ever was.
Aleeha

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>  wrote:
>
> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id 
> and
> replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in
> something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is
> particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as
> it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do 
> that
> with this pesky face id rubbish!
>
> Simon
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jed Barton" 
> To: "viphone" 
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
> Subject: face id opinions wanted
>
>
> Hey guys,
>
> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jed
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Devin Prater]

Well, I’m not really worried about everyone being my future boss, but if I was 
around colleges, I would try to at least use the phone on a desk, but I don’t 
try to act all flashy and call attention to how “normal” I act. FaceID does 
help one look more “normal.
> On Dec 17, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> 
> Responding to both these messages in one, at the risk of being off topic, you 
> would care about looking strange if a future boss saw it. Just saying, and 
> now I’m done.
> Aleeha 
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:57 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, to be fair, some blind people don’t really care if it looks normal. 
>> It’s an advantage that we have, that we could use a phone without needing to 
>> have it even remotely pointing towards us. But we must adapt. I can almost 
>> guarantee that Android manufacturers will adopt something like FaceID, 
>> albeit without the true security that Apple gives, well, not counting 
>> attention-mode being off for us… Even then they couldn’t take the phone 
>> without you at least hearing the unlock sound, at most hearing VoiceOver 
>> speaking. Sure, it’s a little painful now, but it will get better, as it did 
>> with TouchID.
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Aleeha Dudley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket, 
>>> you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID is 
>>> much more secure than TouchID ever was.
>>> Aleeha 
>>> 
 On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
  wrote:
 
 same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id 
 and 
 replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
 another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in 
 something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is 
 particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as 
 it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do 
 that 
 with this pesky face id rubbish!
 
 Simon
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: "Jed Barton" 
 To: "viphone" 
 Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
 Subject: face id opinions wanted
 
 
 Hey guys,
 
 OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
 i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
 technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
 as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
 am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
 minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
 towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
 tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
 that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
 I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
 i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
 thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
 phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
 In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
 phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
 open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
 experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Jed
 
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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Janet Bell]

Hi just wanted to point out that when you are out and about it is a lot 
safer to have your phone in either your bag or pocket and I don't think it 
looks strange at all.  Janet


-Original Message- 
From: Aleeha Dudley

Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:53 PM
To: viPhone
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket, 
you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID is 
much more secure than TouchID ever was.

Aleeha

On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
 wrote:


same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id 
and

replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in
something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is
particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as
it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do 
that

with this pesky face id rubbish!

Simon


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From: "Jed Barton" 

To: "viphone" 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
Subject: face id opinions wanted


Hey guys,

OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.

Thanks,

Jed

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Re: face id opinions wanted

[Janet Bell]

I am not trying to be contravertial but surely if face id is the way things 
are going we should at least try.  I haven't ventured down that road yet 
because my iPhone 7 is very good to me and until it packs up I don't see why 
I should change for the sake of it.  I will not stop putting my phone in my 
bag it is safer than trying to use it with one hand walking down the street 
with your dog and shopping and what have you.  will stop moaning now.  Janet


-Original Message- 
From: goshawk on horseback

Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 7:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

yet another very good point.

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Janet Bell" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted


Hi just wanted to point out that when you are out and about it is a lot
safer to have your phone in either your bag or pocket and I don't think it
looks strange at all.  Janet

-Original Message- 
From: Aleeha Dudley

Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:53 PM
To: viPhone
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket,
you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID is
much more secure than TouchID ever was.
Aleeha


On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback
 wrote:

same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id
and
replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in
something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is
particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as
it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do
that
with this pesky face id rubbish!

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Jed Barton" 

To: "viphone" 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
Subject: face id opinions wanted


Hey guys,

OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.

Thanks,

Jed

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Re: face id opinions wanted

[goshawk on horseback]

yet another very good point.

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Janet Bell" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted


Hi just wanted to point out that when you are out and about it is a lot
safer to have your phone in either your bag or pocket and I don't think it
looks strange at all.  Janet

-Original Message- 
From: Aleeha Dudley
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:53 PM
To: viPhone
Subject: Re: face id opinions wanted

Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket,
you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID is
much more secure than TouchID ever was.
Aleeha

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback
>  wrote:
>
> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id
> and
> replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in
> something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is
> particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, as
> it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do
> that
> with this pesky face id rubbish!
>
> Simon
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jed Barton" 
> To: "viphone" 
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
> Subject: face id opinions wanted
>
>
> Hey guys,
>
> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jed
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RE: A few questions about Bos speakers and Spotify versus apple music

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Personally I don't use Playlists a lot and I still think Apple has more music, 
but ultimately these Playlists are curated content so it depnds on your taste.
As for Voiceover coming through the Bose speaker that can't be changed, any 
Bluetooth speaker will stream any audio and you would need an Airplay/Airplay 2 
capable speaker to do what you want. With Airplay only the music is streamed on 
the speaker and Voiceover remains on the phone. Personally I find there is good 
use for both.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shermeen 
Khan
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 5:38 AM
To: viphone 
Subject: A few questions about Bos speakers and Spotify versus apple music

Hi all,

A few quick questions, if that's ok.

This weekend, I received as a present a bos sounlink mini--it's such a
powerful and tiny little speaker, and I got it paired to my IPhone
with minimal effort. That said, voiceover continues to play through
the bos speaker, which means that while I'm streaming music to the
speaker, I can't really use my phone for any other reason. is there a
way for the music to come through the speaker and for voiceover to
continue coming through the phone itself? or is that just wishful
thinking?

Secondly, a friend of mine has spotify, and I've found that the
playlists available to him are often better than those I can find on
apple music. Can anyone comment as to their experience with apple
music vs. spotify? could you justify having both? I say this knowing
it's obviously a matter of preference. Also, is spotify accessible
enough?

Thanks very much in advance, and I hope everyone has a wonderful holiday season!

Shermeen

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Watch ignoring double taps

[Garry Turkington]

Hi,

I had an original (aka series 0) Apple Watch and something that always
annoyed me was that it seemed to ignore double taps at times. I'd
double tap a button on the screen, the watch would make a noise  like
it was being activated but nothing would happen. Double tap again and
the button would generally activate. Given how painfully slow the S0
was I just put this down to an artifact of the poor performance.

I managed to crack the screen on the S0 just before AppleCare ran out
and my replacement is a Series 1, which is certainly much more
responsive and generally faster than the series 0. But it still has a
habit of buttons etc not activating when double tapped.

Do others see this behaviour and if so is there a root cause? I was
musing on upgrading to a Series 4 but having this not happen would be
a major part of that decision. Again, I'm wondering if this is due to
the general slowness of the early gen watches. If so then a Series 4
would be a great upgrade, if this is general weirdness in VO on
watchOS then less so. A possibly related artifact is how, particularly
if I've not used the watch for a while, it takes seconds to respond to
the first touch on the screen. Again, early watch slowness or VO
issues?

As a data point I've had 5 iPhones and 3 iPads so I am far from  a
stranger to  touch-screen Apple devices and have never had this sort
of issue with any other device.

Any input much welcome
Garry

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Re: Braille display commands with iPhone XS

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

I’d agree that many of us would assume that pressing any key on the Braille 
display would wake the screen - but, as Richard said, in reality once the 
iPhone XS screen goes to sleep, the Orbit 20 keys do nothing. Only tapping the 
iPhone screen with a finger elicits a response. Hey, ho!
Harry

> On 16 Dec 2018, at 20:00, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> 
> You should be able to press any key to wake the phone up.
> 
> Maria Reyes
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>> On Dec 16, 2018, at 7:54 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Richard! I think I’ll also extend the time before screen locks - I’m 
>> still a bit slow!
>> Harry
>> 
>>> On 16 Dec 2018, at 12:40, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As far as I know, you have to manually unlock the phone before the braille 
>>> display can communicate with the phone.
>>> If you have a passcode, once the phone is awake, you may be able to enter 
>>> the passcode.
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good books 
>>> which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle 
>>> 
 On Dec 16, 2018, at 4:31 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
 
 Does anyone know what Braille display command works to wake up iPhone XS 
 when its screen has gone to sleep? And which command to go from lock 
 screen to Home screen?
 I’m using Orbit 20 with iPhone XS iOS 12.1.1
 Thanks
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RE: Can I play mp3 files in an old iPhone?

[Robert Wright]

Shuffle still appears on my iPhone 4. If I double tap the song title that is 
playing  I get all of the player options. 
Shuffle appears when you choose song and then you flick past the index and then 
back and you see shuffle. 

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!  
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From: Anna Dresner
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 2:32 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: Can I play mp3 files in an old iPhone?

Yes, you can. You don't have options like Shuffle, and rewinding and fast 
forwarding audio files sometimes works and sometimes doesn't, but you can play 
them.


On Dec 16, 2018, at 12:30 PM, Maria Reyes  wrote:

Can’t you also use Voice Dream Reader to listen to your files.

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On Dec 16, 2018, at 10:15 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
You can have as many apps as you want as long as they aren't apps which the 
developer hasn't updated to support 64 bit.
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
Wright
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 12:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Can I play mp3 files in an old iPhone?
 
You can set it up as a new device. Then you can use iTunes to add music. Be 
aware that you will not be able to add any apps because the iOSis too old. I 
made this mistake. I’m already looking to find a 5s so I can get my Mr Dj app 
back.
 
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From: 'evergreenwoods' via VIPhone
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2018 4:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Can I play mp3 files in an old iPhone?
 
Hello,
 
Can I use an old 4S as a player? If so, how can I transfer mp3 files from the 
windows pc to the iPhone? This phone doesn't have service now because I'm using 
a 6S, but I would like to use the 4S as a player.
Thank you,
Rena
 
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Re: Braille display commands with iPhone XS

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

That sounds like a good explanation!

> On 17 Dec 2018, at 13:21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> I cannot recall any braille display that would wake a phone up once it had 
> gone to sleep.
> I've used three different braille displays with iPhones.
> 
> I suspect it is because VoiceOver is also asleep when the phone is and since 
> the braille displays need VoiceOver active in order to function, it makes 
> perfect sense to me.
> While bluetooth QWERTY keyboards do wake up devices since they do not need 
> VoiceOver on in order to function.
> 
> Richard
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 4:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille display commands with iPhone XS
> 
> I’d agree that many of us would assume that pressing any key on the Braille 
> display would wake the screen - but, as Richard said, in reality once the 
> iPhone XS screen goes to sleep, the Orbit 20 keys do nothing. Only tapping 
> the iPhone screen with a finger elicits a response. Hey, ho!
> Harry
> 
>> On 16 Dec 2018, at 20:00, Maria Reyes  wrote:
>> 
>> You should be able to press any key to wake the phone up.
>> 
>> Maria Reyes
>> blindt...@gmail.com
>> my group: blind-techies+subscr...@groups.io
>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2018, at 7:54 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Richard! I think I’ll also extend the time before screen locks - 
>>> I’m still a bit slow!
>>> Harry
>>> 
 On 16 Dec 2018, at 12:40, Richard Turner  
 wrote:
 
 
 As far as I know, you have to manually unlock the phone before the braille 
 display can communicate with the phone.
 If you have a passcode, once the phone is awake, you may be able to enter 
 the passcode.
 Richard
 
 
 
 "It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really 
 good books which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
> On Dec 16, 2018, at 4:31 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know what Braille display command works to wake up iPhone XS 
> when its screen has gone to sleep? And which command to go from lock 
> screen to Home screen?
> I’m using Orbit 20 with iPhone XS iOS 12.1.1 Thanks Harry
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RE: A few questions about Bos speakers and Spotify versus apple music

[Robert Wright]

Spotify is accessible.

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From: Shermeen Khan
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 6:38 AM
To: viphone
Subject: A few questions about Bos speakers and Spotify versus apple music

Hi all,

A few quick questions, if that's ok.

This weekend, I received as a present a bos sounlink mini--it's such a
powerful and tiny little speaker, and I got it paired to my IPhone
with minimal effort. That said, voiceover continues to play through
the bos speaker, which means that while I'm streaming music to the
speaker, I can't really use my phone for any other reason. is there a
way for the music to come through the speaker and for voiceover to
continue coming through the phone itself? or is that just wishful
thinking?

Secondly, a friend of mine has spotify, and I've found that the
playlists available to him are often better than those I can find on
apple music. Can anyone comment as to their experience with apple
music vs. spotify? could you justify having both? I say this knowing
it's obviously a matter of preference. Also, is spotify accessible
enough?

Thanks very much in advance, and I hope everyone has a wonderful holiday season!

Shermeen

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RE: Braille display commands with iPhone XS

[Richard Turner]

I cannot recall any braille display that would wake a phone up once it had gone 
to sleep.
I've used three different braille displays with iPhones.

I suspect it is because VoiceOver is also asleep when the phone is and since 
the braille displays need VoiceOver active in order to function, it makes 
perfect sense to me.
While bluetooth QWERTY keyboards do wake up devices since they do not need 
VoiceOver on in order to function.

Richard

Richard


-Original Message-
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 4:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille display commands with iPhone XS

I’d agree that many of us would assume that pressing any key on the Braille 
display would wake the screen - but, as Richard said, in reality once the 
iPhone XS screen goes to sleep, the Orbit 20 keys do nothing. Only tapping the 
iPhone screen with a finger elicits a response. Hey, ho!
Harry

> On 16 Dec 2018, at 20:00, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> 
> You should be able to press any key to wake the phone up.
> 
> Maria Reyes
> blindt...@gmail.com
> my group: blind-techies+subscr...@groups.io
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2018, at 7:54 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Richard! I think I’ll also extend the time before screen locks - I’m 
>> still a bit slow!
>> Harry
>> 
>>> On 16 Dec 2018, at 12:40, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As far as I know, you have to manually unlock the phone before the braille 
>>> display can communicate with the phone.
>>> If you have a passcode, once the phone is awake, you may be able to enter 
>>> the passcode.
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really 
>>> good books which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>> 
 On Dec 16, 2018, at 4:31 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
 
 Does anyone know what Braille display command works to wake up iPhone XS 
 when its screen has gone to sleep? And which command to go from lock 
 screen to Home screen?
 I’m using Orbit 20 with iPhone XS iOS 12.1.1 Thanks Harry
 
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A few questions about Bos speakers and Spotify versus apple music

[Shermeen Khan]

Hi all,

A few quick questions, if that's ok.

This weekend, I received as a present a bos sounlink mini--it's such a
powerful and tiny little speaker, and I got it paired to my IPhone
with minimal effort. That said, voiceover continues to play through
the bos speaker, which means that while I'm streaming music to the
speaker, I can't really use my phone for any other reason. is there a
way for the music to come through the speaker and for voiceover to
continue coming through the phone itself? or is that just wishful
thinking?

Secondly, a friend of mine has spotify, and I've found that the
playlists available to him are often better than those I can find on
apple music. Can anyone comment as to their experience with apple
music vs. spotify? could you justify having both? I say this knowing
it's obviously a matter of preference. Also, is spotify accessible
enough?

Thanks very much in advance, and I hope everyone has a wonderful holiday season!

Shermeen

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RE: iTunes update

[Robert Wright]

Why then was I only shown the Microsoft store when I went to 
www.itunes.com

When I clicked on windows that was the only choice I saw.

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From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 8:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes update

That is because you are running the Enterprise version of iTunes, 12.6.3 is its 
own version so to speak separate from the newer iTunes versions. It was 
primarily made for business who want to manage apps via iTunes which you can't 
do in the newer versions of iTunes.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
Wright
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 12:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes update

It never showed up for me. All I was ever shown was iCloud.and this was when I 
was running 12.6.3.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!  
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From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 11:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes update

That is only true if you installed the Windows Store version which I strongly 
discourage, the desktop version in my opinion still works much better and still 
updates via Apple Update.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
Wright
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 1:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes update

Well, that has changed. Apple software update only updates iCloud. To update 
iTunes you must go to the Microsoft store. Even if you go to 
www.itunes.com

it will send you to the Microsoft store if you are running windows.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!  
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From: Anna Dresner
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 9:00 AM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: iTunes update

Hi Fanus,

Close iTunes and launch Apple Update. That may not be the exact name, but it's 
something like it. Use it to check for updates.

Best,
Anna




On Dec 13, 2018, at 2:51 AM, Fanus  wrote:

Hello Debbie
Thanks but that is my problem. I get to the page where iTunes is discussed but 
I get no install or download link or button. There is a link to download from 
the microsoft store but even there I do not find a link or button. I use 
windows10 and the latest version of jaws.
Regards
Fanus
 
 
From: Debbie April Yuille
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 10:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes update
 
Hi Fanus
 
Once you’ve checked for updates, you need to close iTunes and make sure that 
you are in the Apple Software Update program. That will have the iTunes update 
checked. You then tab to the install update button. The update is well worth it 
as the column browser and Jaws issue is fixed.
 
Debbie
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fanus
Sent: Thursday, 13 December 2018 7:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes update
 
Hello list
I have refrained from updating iTunes on my pc because I wanted to keep on 
buying songs and albums. Now I get a message that I can not buy anymore without 
updating iTunes. When I activate the upgrade option in the help menu I get to a 
web page but I do not find any update or download button. What am I missing?
Regards
Fanus
 
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RE: iTunes update

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Then you didn't read the entire information on that site, I just went to 
www.iTunes.com and clicked on "Download iTunes" and here 
is what it says:

iTunes for Windows
Get it from Microsoft – that is a link which will indeed take you to the 
Windows Store
Windows System Requirements

Looking for other versions?
macOS Windows
Those are buttons and if you click on "Windows", it sort of changes around, the 
desktop version is shown and the button above for "Windows" now becomes 
"Windows Store", like this:

iTunes for Windows
Download now (64-bit) – that is a link
Looking for Windows 32-bit? Download here – this is also a link

Windows System Requirements
Looking for other versions?
macOS Windows Store
Again those are buttons.
I had at one point installed the Windows Store version and really didn't like 
it and I again removed it and reinstalled the desktop version.
If you read on you get a bit more information and the bit about Android:

50 million songs on all your devices.
Expand your listening experience with Apple Music. If you’ve got an iPhone or 
iPad, Apple Music is already built in — just open the Music app and tap “Try it 
free.”
Listen to your favourite music ad-free on all your devices, online or off.
Start your free three-month trial and cancel anytime.*
Learn more about Apple Music

If your other device uses Android, you can still get Apple Music.
Apple Music is also available for Android. Stream and  download all the same 
music and videos.
Get it on Google Play – that is also a link which obviously will take you to 
the Google Play Store.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
Wright
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 5:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes update

Why then was I only shown the Microsoft store when I went to
www.itunes.com

When I clicked on windows that was the only choice I saw.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for 
you!
***

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 8:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes update

That is because you are running the Enterprise version of iTunes, 12.6.3 is its 
own version so to speak separate from the newer iTunes versions. It was 
primarily made for business who want to manage apps via iTunes which you can't 
do in the newer versions of iTunes.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
Wright
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 12:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes update

It never showed up for me. All I was ever shown was iCloud.and this was when I 
was running 12.6.3.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for 
you!
***

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 11:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes update

That is only true if you installed the Windows Store version which I strongly 
discourage, the desktop version in my opinion still works much better and still 
updates via Apple Update.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
Wright
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 1:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes update

Well, that has changed. Apple software update only updates iCloud. To update 
iTunes you must go to the Microsoft store. Even if you go to
www.itunes.com

it will send you to the Microsoft store if you are running windows.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for 
you!
***

From: Anna Dresner
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 9:00 AM
To: VIPhone Mailing List
Subject: Re: iTunes update

Hi Fanus,

Close iTunes and launch Apple Update. That may not be the exact name, but it's 
something like it. Use it to check for updates.

Best,
Anna




On Dec 13, 2018, at 2:51 AM, Fanus 
mailto:buys.fa...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello Debbie
Thanks but that is my problem. I get to the page where iTunes is discussed but 
I get no install or download link or button. There is a link to download from 
the microsoft store but even there I do not find a link or button. I use 
windows10 and the latest version of jaws.
Regards
Fanus


From: Debbie April Yuille
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 10:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes update

Hi Fanus

Once you’ve checked for updates, you need to close iTunes and make sure that 
you are in the Apple Software Update program. That will have the iTunes update 
checked. You then tab to the install update button. The update is well worth it 
as the column browser and Jaws issue is fixed.

Debbie

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Re: Watch ignoring double taps

[Candy Lowe]

I experienced the same problems with the watch zero. I upgraded to the watch 
for and absolutely love it. Everything is so responsive and fast.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 3:17 AM, Garry Turkington  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I had an original (aka series 0) Apple Watch and something that always
> annoyed me was that it seemed to ignore double taps at times. I'd
> double tap a button on the screen, the watch would make a noise  like
> it was being activated but nothing would happen. Double tap again and
> the button would generally activate. Given how painfully slow the S0
> was I just put this down to an artifact of the poor performance.
> 
> I managed to crack the screen on the S0 just before AppleCare ran out
> and my replacement is a Series 1, which is certainly much more
> responsive and generally faster than the series 0. But it still has a
> habit of buttons etc not activating when double tapped.
> 
> Do others see this behaviour and if so is there a root cause? I was
> musing on upgrading to a Series 4 but having this not happen would be
> a major part of that decision. Again, I'm wondering if this is due to
> the general slowness of the early gen watches. If so then a Series 4
> would be a great upgrade, if this is general weirdness in VO on
> watchOS then less so. A possibly related artifact is how, particularly
> if I've not used the watch for a while, it takes seconds to respond to
> the first touch on the screen. Again, early watch slowness or VO
> issues?
> 
> As a data point I've had 5 iPhones and 3 iPads so I am far from  a
> stranger to  touch-screen Apple devices and have never had this sort
> of issue with any other device.
> 
> Any input much welcome
> Garry
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app refresh setting

[Louise Peyton]

Hello:
How do I permanently turn off app refresh setting in the background?  Would 
this lessen battery drain in ios 12?  Thanks in advance.
Louise Peyton

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RE: app refresh setting

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It would save some battery, you can do this in Settings > General > Background 
App Refresh


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Louise 
Peyton
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: app refresh setting

Hello:
How do I permanently turn off app refresh setting in the background?  Would 
this lessen battery drain in ios 12?  Thanks in advance.
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RE: Watch ignoring double taps

[Sieghard Weitzel]

On my series 2 watch this happens occasionally, but I can typically reduce how 
often it happens by doing the double tap a bit harder. From all I heard you 
really would want a series 4, my wife and iI were thinking of upgrading and we 
will eventually, but for now we had other things which have priority and there 
is a good chance we will wait and see if there is a fifth gen watch next 
September before we go ahead. The series 2 is definitely a bit on the slow 
side, but it is OK and I for one can't justify upgrading the Apple Watch every 
couple of years. I really hope that when we buy the fifth generation watch 
whether that will be in the fall of 2019 or the fall of 2020 that we'll have 
that one for at least 6 or 7 years.

Regards,
Sieghard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Candy 
Lowe
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Watch ignoring double taps

I experienced the same problems with the watch zero. I upgraded to the watch 
for and absolutely love it. Everything is so responsive and fast.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2018, at 3:17 AM, Garry Turkington  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I had an original (aka series 0) Apple Watch and something that always
> annoyed me was that it seemed to ignore double taps at times. I'd
> double tap a button on the screen, the watch would make a noise  like
> it was being activated but nothing would happen. Double tap again and
> the button would generally activate. Given how painfully slow the S0
> was I just put this down to an artifact of the poor performance.
> 
> I managed to crack the screen on the S0 just before AppleCare ran out
> and my replacement is a Series 1, which is certainly much more
> responsive and generally faster than the series 0. But it still has a
> habit of buttons etc not activating when double tapped.
> 
> Do others see this behaviour and if so is there a root cause? I was
> musing on upgrading to a Series 4 but having this not happen would be
> a major part of that decision. Again, I'm wondering if this is due to
> the general slowness of the early gen watches. If so then a Series 4
> would be a great upgrade, if this is general weirdness in VO on
> watchOS then less so. A possibly related artifact is how, particularly
> if I've not used the watch for a while, it takes seconds to respond to
> the first touch on the screen. Again, early watch slowness or VO
> issues?
> 
> As a data point I've had 5 iPhones and 3 iPads so I am far from  a
> stranger to  touch-screen Apple devices and have never had this sort
> of issue with any other device.
> 
> Any input much welcome
> Garry
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