Re: Dots 1 and 2 reversed in Tabletop Mode?

2014-09-28 Thread Cheryl Homiak
I don't think the dots reversal has to do with which phone one is using, though 
I suppose this is possible. I don't think we know what has caused some to have 
the dot reversal but I believe Alex mentioned that his originally worked 
correctly so there has to be other factors involved. I would think the larger 
size of the 6+ might have something to do with braille appearing to be across 
the bottom and not in any ind of V shape but we don't really know even that for 
sure at this point.


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On Sep 27, 2014, at 11:51 PM, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well I'm definitely looking forward to trying it on the 6Plus. And I
 should really try it on the Mini to see if that goes better. I could
 just need more spacew although that wouldn't explain the reversed
 dots.
 
 On 9/27/14, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 No it isn't that we don't believe you. If I hadn't believed it, I wouldn't
 have tried it out with my 5S and I wouldn't keep pulling out my phone and
 playing with it every time I get another email describing this. But I'm
 hoping I don't end up reproducing the same problem in my efforts to figure
 out what is happening with somebody else's app.
 
 I wonder if it would do any good to take it out of the rotor and either turn
 your phone off and on or actually reboot by holding down power and home
 buttons. Maybe you've already done that.
 
 What I didn't believe was that the dots in tabletop had to be in a V rather
 than in a straight line and it appears that the possibility of both
 configurations has now been confirmed. It does seem like this app is very
 maleable; it's just that we don't know what the rules are for making change.
 i like were mine is now so I hope it doesn't change for me before we figure
 out the rules.
 
 
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 On Sep 27, 2014, at 9:49 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 It's sad that you're having this problem, but I have to say, I'm relieved
 it isn't just me! If you stumble across a way to put it right, please do
 let the list know. I just tried it on someone else's iPhone6, and of
 course, the dots were all in the right places. The problem didn't even
 show up on my own phone until today, and I haven't a clue what I did to
 cause it.
 On Sep 27, 2014, at 10:35 PM, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I can reproduce Alex's problem. It's the major reason I haven't been
 able to get this to work. They don't quite believe us though,LOL. I've
 tried both with the V and with the flat idea. I have some reversed
 dots. Once in a while it comes right, but mostly it's backward on just
 one side.
 
 On 9/27/14, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 I also am using a 6+. When I have time I will try it on my 5S and see if
 it
 is then different.
 
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 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Sep 27, 2014, at 4:30 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 Yes, I'm using a 6 Plus which is larger so not sure if this is making
 a
 difference, but for me the keys appear in a straight line across the
 screen in table top mode, just like a Perkins, which is why I find it
 so
 intuitive.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
 On 28/09/2014, at 10:15 am, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 
 That flattened v shape description never really made sense to me even
 though I know what a V shape is. maybe that's why this is working for
 me
 where Mbraille didn't; I never bothered to try to picture any kind of
 V
 when I started with the built-in input where I struggled to do that
 with
 mbraille. I'm not at all saying that's not accurate, just that it
 never
 worked for me. If there's a curve instead of being a straight line,
 it's
 not enough for me to 

Re: Alex voice, how is it?

2014-09-28 Thread Devin
Its very worth it. He's very good and expressive, but is a little worse than 
the voice in Mavericks. 

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 Hi all,
 For those of you who have downloaded the Alex voice, is it worth it? It takes 
 almost an entire gigabyte, which I have plenty of now, but I'm just curious 
 do you really like it better?
 Thanks,
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
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Re: Alex voice, how is it?

2014-09-28 Thread Christopher Hallsworth
To my ears, Alex sounds great on both y iPad Mini and Macbook Pro 
running Maverix.



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On 28/09/2014 06:31, Chuck Dean wrote:

Hi all,
For those of you who have downloaded the Alex voice, is it worth it? It takes 
almost an entire gigabyte, which I have plenty of now, but I'm just curious do 
you really like it better?
Thanks,

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.



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Re: Alex voice, how is it?

2014-09-28 Thread Devin
He's still the best, but listen closely to the way he says cool. That's a 
very strange clicking sound of the c in cool. 

Sent from my iPad

 On Sep 28, 2014, at 1:40 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
 wrote:
 
 To my ears, Alex sounds great on both y iPad Mini and Macbook Pro running 
 Maverix.
 
 
 Sent from my laptop
 
 On 28/09/2014 06:31, Chuck Dean wrote:
 Hi all,
 For those of you who have downloaded the Alex voice, is it worth it? It 
 takes almost an entire gigabyte, which I have plenty of now, but I'm just 
 curious do you really like it better?
 Thanks,
 
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 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
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Re: Alex voice, how is it?

2014-09-28 Thread Chuck Dean
Okay, you have convinced me. Now I have downloaded it. Now how do I get it to 
work?

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Re: turning Off The IPhone With SIRI

2014-09-28 Thread Devin
Lol, if only there were a siri command to turn on the iDavice? I always have 
trouble with turning on my iPod and the iPad. 

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 On Sep 27, 2014, at 9:06 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I don't see anything wrong with anyone requesting this feature. I may not use 
 it myself, but I could see where it might be faster, simpler and more 
 intuitive. The whole idea behind a smart phone and Siri is to make things 
 easier. I mean I could always toggle VoiceOver on and off with a triple click 
 of the home button, once I set it up, but people seem to really like this 
 relatively new feature, and I can see that it has it's advantages.
 
 On 09/26/2014 07:53 AM, Charles Rivard wrote:
 Why would you even want that feature when all you have to do is to press
 and hold the power button, and then double tap once?  Siri does not d
 everything, nor should it.  It will not, as far as I know, close any apps.
 
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Re: Alex voice, how is it?

2014-09-28 Thread Devin
Restart voiceover, and switch to him in the language roter. 

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 work?
 
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Re: braille safari navigation feature

2014-09-28 Thread Christopher Hallsworth
So how do I get this to work? Asking as when I input a letter for quick 
navigation it says not recognized. I can however navigate by links at 
least. Neither Jonathan's book nor podcasts from Applevis mentioned this 
hidden feature in Braille Input. Haven't checked out their guides or 
blog postings yet. Thanks!



Sent from my laptop

On 27/09/2014 21:19, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:

No I don't have a Braille display capable of Braille innput. Works like a charm 
on web pages with on-screen. Only problem, as already mentioned, is that it's 
impossible to enter text in web form fields
Hth,

Ioana
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On Sep 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
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Really? Are you sure this isn't anything to do with using QuickNav with a 
Braille display? I will go and check this out.


Sent from my laptop


On 26/09/2014 12:49, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
Hi all,

Have not heard anyone mention a cool feature of braille inpot in ios 8 so just 
thought I'd quickly bring it up.

In safari one can turn on braille and use h for heading, l for links etc to 
navigate. Swipe up or down to go to previous or next element.
Hope this helps someone.
Best,


Ioana




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Re: Alex voice, how is it?

2014-09-28 Thread Charles Rivard

Although I don't have it, I heard a podcast at

www.applevis.com

on how to get it and how it sounds.  I liked what I heard very much in 
comparison to what is on my iPhone 5.


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Subject: Alex voice, how is it?


Hi all,
For those of you who have downloaded the Alex voice, is it worth it? It 
takes almost an entire gigabyte, which I have plenty of now, but I'm just 
curious do you really like it better?

Thanks,

Chuck (mobile)
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Re: Alex voice, how is it?

2014-09-28 Thread Charles Rivard
From what I recall in the podcast, you turn Voice-Over off, then turn it 

back on.  That's all.

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Okay, you have convinced me. Now I have downloaded it. Now how do I get it 
to work?


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Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

2014-09-28 Thread Christopher Hallsworth
Sorry, 8 dot Braille for screen input is not available on the iPhone 
unless it is on the 6 or 6+ I do not know since I only have a 4s and 
have no interest in upgrading right now. You do however get 8 dot 
Braille screen input on the iPad including the Mini.



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On 27/09/2014 20:25, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:

Hi,

You can switch between 6- and 8-dot braille with a 3-finger flick right on the 
iPhone as well as the iPad.

HTH,
Anna



On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:


This has been yet another benefit of the 6 Plus for me. When using table top 
mode, it really feels, in terms of spacing, like you're Brailling on a Perkins. 
Really digging the wider keys.
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On 28/09/2014, at 7:23 am, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

Do a 3-finger swipe right or left while in braille input mode to switch between 
6 dot, contracted, and 8 dot (iPad only).
On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:45 PM, Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com wrote:


Hello all, how do you change to grade one on the ios braille keyboard? This is 
the first note on the on screen keyboard for me.


reggie and Allegra

On Sep 26, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:

Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't
matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but
when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often
says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I
have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the
upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for
example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable
words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So
I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better
at some future time.




On 9/26/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
They're different, but similar enough.

Teresa

We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks


On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille
than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my
passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it
out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the
convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for
sure.

On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:

Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one
and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an
onscreen braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I
have never tried it.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
!

Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes

On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
wrote:

That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on
the device.

Neal


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sandy Finley
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out

Nicki and others,

I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have
learned from  others that helped me with the braille input.

1.   When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the
right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting
on your rotor follows the edit field around.

2.  I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in
table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.

3.  Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.

Unfortunately, when trying to  use  contracted Braille the app does not
echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I
write in unconstructed Braille.

4.  Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
5.
6.  When done rotor once left or right, 

Re: Texting withoud i message

2014-09-28 Thread Christopher Hallsworth
I discovered a nifty feature the other day and think this is new to iOS 
8. So long as the iMessage hasn't been delivered yet, flick up or down 
with one finger until you hear send as text message. Double tap and it 
will magically send it as a text message instead!



Sent from my laptop

On 24/09/2014 22:25, Rob wrote:

OK,
It seems that you have 2 options,
1 turn off iMessage before sending to that person,
or
2. enable the option to send a text if iMessage is not available.
When I try to text someone and they are not on wi-fi, the send iMessage
button turns to send using  text button.

On 9/24/2014 12:52 AM, Harry Bell wrote:

My partner has an iPad at home and an android phone she carries
everywhere. If I want to text her and I know the iPad is at home
switched off, it can be a bit of a struggle to ensure the message is
not sent as an I message!! Harry



On 23 Sep 2014, at 21:50, Rob mr.robertc...@icloud.com wrote:

Hi,
Why would you want to change it?
Apple magically knows when you are texting to another apple device,
so it sends as an iMessage.
It does not count against your monthly text allowed by your cell
provider.
So, if it is not broke, why fix it?

On 9/23/2014 3:23 PM, TaraPrakash wrote:
Dear all

Every time I send a text message   My phone calls  it and I message
how do I make sure that might text goes as a regular message  and
not as I message
thanks for any input about this

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Braille Gestures Toggling off Auto-Correct

2014-09-28 Thread David Chittenden
If you mean the onscreen braille entry mode, I am not experiencing that issue.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 28 Sep 2014, at 06:19, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 Hi everyone, has anyone else found that after inputing text in Braille, 
 auto-correct for the standard virtual keyboard has been set to off? It's 
 necessary for me to go back into Settings, General, Keyboard to turn it back 
 on again.
 This could be related to the other problem I posted last night, but thought 
 I'd check if this is happening to anybody else.
 Thanks.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

2014-09-28 Thread Devin

Hi all. I'm  writing this with braille mode.  Thee space is a little quirky, 
but my goodness itworks!-.iPad

 On Sep 27, 2014, at 3:52 PM, Nicki Keck jesusgir...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Actually, tabletop mode is more like a perkins and screen away mode is more 
 like a slate and stylus.
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Rose Combs
 Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:08 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
  
 The more I hear about doing braille input on the phone the more confused I 
 get.  Nothing new in that over the past several months, I am of two minds 
 whether to bite the bullet or not, sounds to me like to use tabletop I would 
 have to think like I was writing with a slate and stylus, and I have never 
 been particularly adept at that. 
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 christopher hallsworth
 Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 12:25 PM
 To: Viphone
 Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
  
 Agreed, especially on my iPad where I am very fast at typing in Braille on 
 there. As for the phone once I got the correct orientation I can quite 
 happily type in Braille on there too. I use tabletop mode only.
 
 Sent from my Macbook Pro
  
 On 26 Sep 2014, at 20:22, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
  
 
 Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a 
 slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would 
 feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the 
 feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But 
 it's nice that there is more than one way to do it.
  
 -- 
 Cheryl
  
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
  
  
  
  
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
  
 
 I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is 
 better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a 
 Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper. 
 They're different, but similar enough.
  
 Teresa
 
 We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
 the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks
 
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said, 
 though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than 
 hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode 
 easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get 
 accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is 
 definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:
  
 
 Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and 
 a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen 
 braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never 
 tried it. 
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Sharonda Greenlaw
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
  
 this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
 !
 
 Sharonda
 Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes 
 
 On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:
 
 That’s interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the 
 days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one, two, 
 and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille displays 
 reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the device.
  
 Neal
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 OfSandy Finley
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
  
 Nicki and others,
  
 I don’t know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have learned 
 from  others that helped me with the braille input.
  
 1.   When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the right. 
 The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting on your 
 rotor follows the edit field around.
  
 2.  I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in table 
 mode, dots 1, 2, 3 

Re: Alex voice, how is it?

2014-09-28 Thread Chuck Dean
Thanks, I got it.
I'm not sure if I like this voice better or not. It will take a couple of days

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 On Sep 28, 2014, at 12:51 AM, Devin r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Restart voiceover, and switch to him in the language roter. 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Sep 28, 2014, at 2:43 AM, Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Okay, you have convinced me. Now I have downloaded it. Now how do I get it 
 to work?
 
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Re: Texting withoud i message

2014-09-28 Thread Harry Bell
Hey! Thanks! Solves my problem!

 

 On 28 Sep 2014, at 09:23, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
 wrote:
 
 I discovered a nifty feature the other day and think this is new to iOS 8. So 
 long as the iMessage hasn't been delivered yet, flick up or down with one 
 finger until you hear send as text message. Double tap and it will magically 
 send it as a text message instead!
 
 
 Sent from my laptop
 
 On 24/09/2014 22:25, Rob wrote:
 OK,
 It seems that you have 2 options,
 1 turn off iMessage before sending to that person,
 or
 2. enable the option to send a text if iMessage is not available.
 When I try to text someone and they are not on wi-fi, the send iMessage
 button turns to send using  text button.
 
 On 9/24/2014 12:52 AM, Harry Bell wrote:
 My partner has an iPad at home and an android phone she carries
 everywhere. If I want to text her and I know the iPad is at home
 switched off, it can be a bit of a struggle to ensure the message is
 not sent as an I message!! Harry
 
 
 On 23 Sep 2014, at 21:50, Rob mr.robertc...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Why would you want to change it?
 Apple magically knows when you are texting to another apple device,
 so it sends as an iMessage.
 It does not count against your monthly text allowed by your cell
 provider.
 So, if it is not broke, why fix it?
 On 9/23/2014 3:23 PM, TaraPrakash wrote:
 Dear all
 
 Every time I send a text message   My phone calls  it and I message
 how do I make sure that might text goes as a regular message  and
 not as I message
 thanks for any input about this
 
 Sent from my iPhone
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Re: issues I have with the new update.

2014-09-28 Thread Gary Petraccaro
I think it's time to stop with the I might and get to it.  I have already 
called with one problem myself and will call with others when I encounter 
them.  Think of this as your help in Apple's therapy.  grin


- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 1:03 AM
Subject: issues I have with the new update.


Hello folks. I usually don't post on
here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company
that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am
extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a
person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I
don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue
tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items
with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or
activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't
exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure
out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am
upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also
what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the
cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on
they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple
products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple
continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will
switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all
think?
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Re: Dots 1 and 2 reversed in Tabletop Mode?

2014-09-28 Thread David Chittenden
,When in table top mode, the keys are at an angle. I am writing this message in 
table top mode. dot 3 is in the left back corner. Dot 6 is in the right back 
corner. Dot 1 is across the left front from the left edge of the screen to the 
midpoint. Dot 4 is from the right edge to the midpoint connecting with dot 1. 
Dots 2 and 5 go from the back adge of dots 1 and 4 to the sides, and on the 
back edge between dots 3 and 6. In other wordss, the front edge is dots 1 4 
when tracking from left to right. The back edge is dots 3 2 5 6 from left to 
right. Across the middle of the screen from leht to right is dots 2 and 5.

The braille input works quite well once one gets used to it. I am brailling 
almost as fast on my iphone as I do on my braille dispaly keyboard.

One final note: I am finding that right swiping for space must be a little more 
of a movement or it is registered as a dot press. I find space easier in away 
mode rather than tabletop mode.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Sent from my iPhone

 On 28 Sep 2014, at 06:43, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I've used the explore mode already, and it showed exactly what I already 
 knew: the dots are reversed. The dot closest to the lower edge of the phone 
 on the right is dot 4, as it should be, and immediately next to that is… dot 
 2. Just above and to the right of dot 4 is dot 5, right where I'd expect it 
 to be. Above and just left of the (misplaced) dot 2 is… dot 1. Dot 3 is 
 across from dot 6, just where it should be. I am comfortable with the shape 
 of the keyboard, but the fact remains that dots 1 and 2 are swapped somehow. 
 I used to see this if I calibrated in Tabletop mode, but now I see it all the 
 time in that mode, whether or not I calibrate.
 On Sep 27, 2014, at 4:37 PM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 First off, this is such good advice, I went to try it, even though I don't 
 have the problem.  I still think it's clever how they arranged this,  and 
 also see how it gets confusing.
 
 So, I'm going to repeat something I said,  and paraphrased someone who put 
 it more verbosely, though still concise and right.
 
 Tip the face of the phone towards you first, then put it down into table 
 mode, and the dots are then in the right order.
 
 It's a pity we couldn't get a sighted description of the shape of the 
 buttons at this point, the 6 areas cover pretty well the entire screen 
 except for a gutter between, to separate them.
 This V layout business is necessary to get so many fingers on a phone 
 screen at once, so pretty sure they don't all line up along a long edge, 
 though that would be good on an iPad, along a short edge even.
 
 If you don't try too hard to twist the wrists to line up the hands with the 
 phone, they will fall into the V shape and line up with the buttons quite 
 naturally. I suppose the effort is trying not to think of the V shape, but 
 just fingers on dot keys;  and just do it.  Those with the greatest success, 
 have done just that.
 
 RobH.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:41 PM
 Subject: Re: Dots 1 and 2 reversed in Tabletop Mode?
 
 
 Hi,
 
 Tabletop mode requires your fingers to be in kind of a V shape, so try 
 positioning them that way. Also, you can hold one finger on the screen to 
 start an exploring mode. It will stay in this mode as long as you leave at 
 least one finger on screen. Try that so you can find the dots. My guess is 
 that they aren't really reversed, but they seem to be because the dots 
 aren't quite where you expect them to be.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
 
 On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:32 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I asked this in the midst of another thread, but I figured it got buried. 
 That, or I'm just the lucky guy this happens to, and no one else has the 
 problem.
 
 In tabletop mode in iOS8'd braille screen input, dots 1 and 2 seem to 
 always be reversed. My index finger falls on dot 2, my middle on dot 1, 
 and the rest of the cell is normal. Has anyone else seen this? It happens 
 whether or not I calibrate, and I can't think of what else to try. I've 
 even restarted VoiceOver and the phone, but that changed nothing. Any 
 thoughts? Again, this is tabletop mode; away mode is working fine, 
 thankfully.
 --
 Have a great day,
 Alex Hall
 mehg...@icloud.com
 
 
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Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

2014-09-28 Thread RobH.
Oddly,  and blessedly for me;  the fingers used for the dots, remain the 
same in both.  Good job I was brought up on the old slate mind so I can work 
it out everywhichway.

- Original Message - 
From: Nicki Keck jesusgir...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 9:52 PM
Subject: RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out


Actually, tabletop mode is more like a perkins and screen away mode is more
like a slate and stylus.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rose Combs
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out



The more I hear about doing braille input on the phone the more confused I
get.  Nothing new in that over the past several months, I am of two minds
whether to bite the bullet or not, sounds to me like to use tabletop I would
have to think like I was writing with a slate and stylus, and I have never
been particularly adept at that.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 12:25 PM
To: Viphone
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out



Agreed, especially on my iPad where I am very fast at typing in Braille on
there. As for the phone once I got the correct orientation I can quite
happily type in Braille on there too. I use tabletop mode only.


Sent from my Macbook Pro



On 26 Sep 2014, at 20:22, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com
mailto:cah4...@icloud.com  wrote:



Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a
slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would
feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the
feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But
it's nice that there is more than one way to do it.



-- 

Cheryl



I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness.

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)









On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com
mailto:batsfly...@me.com  wrote:



I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
They're different, but similar enough.



Teresa

We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks


On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall  mailto:mehg...@icloud.com
mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than
hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode
easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get
accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is
definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.

On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs  mailto:roseco...@q.com
roseco...@q.com wrote:



Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and
a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen
braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never
tried it.





From:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com[
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
To:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out



this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille

!

Sharonda

Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes


On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers  mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:

That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the
device.



Neal





From:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com[
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
OfSandy Finley
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
To:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out



Nicki and 

Re: Any thoughts on screen protectors?

2014-09-28 Thread RobH.
Please describe that Otterbox case for me;  this is precisely what I'd do.
Would like to know details of shape.

Thanks, RobH.
- Original Message - 
From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 4:50 PM
Subject: RE: Any thoughts on screen protectors?


I have to agree, my 4S was put in one about 2-1/2 years ago and it came out 
today only time, my 6 in in an Otterbox and it will probably never come out 
either as it seems as I get older I tend to drop things a bit more often.  I 
don’t care that it makes the phone a bit thicker, It makes me feel better 
about the phone and that edge helps me locating things.



They gave me both cases back, just what I did not need.







From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Anthony Vece
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any thoughts on screen protectors?



Hi Ari  List;



Through experience I found that you really can't go wrong with any Otterbox 
case.



They are very well made and, the company stands behind there product.



Anthony



Sent from my ATT iPhone 5s!


On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:25 PM, Gmail englishride...@gmail.com wrote:

I pretty much always use cases with a built-in screen protector, such as the 
OtterBox Defender or Griffin Survivor. For the first little while that I had 
my iPhone 4, I used a Pixelspec HD case with a Solona  screen protector, but 
the protector kept getting pushed up on the sides by the case. I ended up 
removing the protector and the case, and switching to an OtterBox Defender. 
When that broke some time after getting my iPhone 4S, (the case lasted about 
four years for me) I moved to a Griffin Survivor.



When I get my new iPhone six, I'll most likely be moving back to the 
OtterBox defender again, since I like that style of case and clip better 
then the Griffin Survivor. The Defender allows easier access to the camera 
then does the Survivor. This was by design, as the Survivor has been made to 
comply with higher military specifications in regards to how much dirt, 
dust, moisture, etc. to protect against. The Survivors clip also grips the 
case in such a way that the charging port is unable to be accessed, and the 
Defender does not.



I haven't yet decided if I'm going to get a tactile screen protector from 
Speeddots that works with my iPhone 6's Defender case. Lol. It looks like 
I've made up my mind that I'm going to get an OtterBox cup of defender case 
for my new iPhone, as I'm talking like I have already decided to do so.





Thanks,

Ari


On Sep 26, 2014, at 6:28 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:

I think the SpeedDots tactile screen protectors are excellent. And with 
Direct Touch Typing, they can be of real benefit on larger screens.

I'm not sure if they have them out for the new models of iPhone yet, but 
I'll be getting one for the 6 Plus when I can.

Jonathan.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 27, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com 
wrote:

I've always had the best luck with the halo screen protectors. Especially 
the matte ones.

---

Sent from Raul's rectangular glass - 832.554.7285

Please excuse any auto complete or dictation weirdness.


On Sep 26, 2014, at 5:38 PM, Lois Butterfield lbutterfield...@gmail.com 
wrote:

I don’t have any right now on my new phone.



I did in the past pay a lot for a Zag, which I ended up taking off because 
it wasn’t completely smooth.  It seemed a little sticky when trying to move 
around the screen.  It wouldn’t bother people who could see because they 
would place their finger where it needed to be before tapping.  I then put 
on a way less expensive one that was like glass and that worked fine for me.



Take care,

Lois



Lois Butterfield, Certified Scentsy Consultant
http://loisbutterfield.scentsy.us
lbutterfie...@cfl.rr.com
407-276-4173
Wonderful scents without the flame.



From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. mailto:kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu

Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 6:21 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Any thoughts on screen protectors?



Hi,



Curious to learn if folks are choosing to use screen protectors or not.



Are they pretty generic and interchangeable, or are there certain 
recommended brands.



Thanks in advance. Keith

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Re: Dots 1 and 2 reversed in Tabletop Mode?

2014-09-28 Thread RobH.
I lifted the following off AppleVis,  think it might have a valid point, 
like resetting or clearing a previous calibration. only a flunked 
calibration could have produced this mess.  So an antidote or revert to dot 
positions of factory default, would be useful, and hopefully, this is it.

One thing I didn't see mentioned is that you can double-tap all six dots 
to recalibrate the dot positions. On my iPad, the default dot placement was 
rather weird. I guess whoever set up the initial calibration must have had 
their hands in odd places, either that or I am holding it in a weird way and 
don't know it. Anyway, I have found that I've had to recalibrate the dot 
positions a few times while practicing to get the hang of things.
- Original Message - 
From: Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: Dots 1 and 2 reversed in Tabletop Mode?


I've used the explore mode already, and it showed exactly what I already 
knew: the dots are reversed. The dot closest to the lower edge of the phone 
on the right is dot 4, as it should be, and immediately next to that is... 
dot 2. Just above and to the right of dot 4 is dot 5, right where I'd expect 
it to be. Above and just left of the (misplaced) dot 2 is... dot 1. Dot 3 is 
across from dot 6, just where it should be. I am comfortable with the shape 
of the keyboard, but the fact remains that dots 1 and 2 are swapped somehow. 
I used to see this if I calibrated in Tabletop mode, but now I see it all 
the time in that mode, whether or not I calibrate.
On Sep 27, 2014, at 4:37 PM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 First off, this is such good advice, I went to try it, even though I don't
 have the problem.  I still think it's clever how they arranged this,  and
 also see how it gets confusing.

 So, I'm going to repeat something I said,  and paraphrased someone who put
 it more verbosely, though still concise and right.

 Tip the face of the phone towards you first, then put it down into table
 mode, and the dots are then in the right order.

 It's a pity we couldn't get a sighted description of the shape of the
 buttons at this point, the 6 areas cover pretty well the entire screen
 except for a gutter between, to separate them.
 This V layout business is necessary to get so many fingers on a phone
 screen at once, so pretty sure they don't all line up along a long edge,
 though that would be good on an iPad, along a short edge even.

 If you don't try too hard to twist the wrists to line up the hands with 
 the
 phone, they will fall into the V shape and line up with the buttons quite
 naturally. I suppose the effort is trying not to think of the V shape, but
 just fingers on dot keys;  and just do it.  Those with the greatest 
 success,
 have done just that.

 RobH.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:41 PM
 Subject: Re: Dots 1 and 2 reversed in Tabletop Mode?


 Hi,

 Tabletop mode requires your fingers to be in kind of a V shape, so try
 positioning them that way. Also, you can hold one finger on the screen to
 start an exploring mode. It will stay in this mode as long as you leave at
 least one finger on screen. Try that so you can find the dots. My guess is
 that they aren't really reversed, but they seem to be because the dots
 aren't quite where you expect them to be.

 Best,
 Anna



 On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:32 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 I asked this in the midst of another thread, but I figured it got buried.
 That, or I'm just the lucky guy this happens to, and no one else has the
 problem.

 In tabletop mode in iOS8'd braille screen input, dots 1 and 2 seem to
 always be reversed. My index finger falls on dot 2, my middle on dot 1,
 and the rest of the cell is normal. Has anyone else seen this? It happens
 whether or not I calibrate, and I can't think of what else to try. I've
 even restarted VoiceOver and the phone, but that changed nothing. Any
 thoughts? Again, this is tabletop mode; away mode is working fine,
 thankfully.
 --
 Have a great day,
 Alex Hall
 mehg...@icloud.com


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Re: Is there a way to sort apps alphabetically on the iPhone

2014-09-28 Thread RobH.
One trouble though- it will re-sort your Dock, so have to put your 
favourites back yourself.

RobH, wasn't amused!
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From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 1:22 PM
Subject: RE: Is there a way to sort apps alphabetically on the iPhone


Actually go to general swipe down to the last item called reset, select home
screen to reset and after all the stuff Apple puts on that is on the front
page, the rest of your apps should be in alphabetical order.  Hope this
helps.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Is there a way to sort apps alphabetically on the iPhone

No, you will have to do this manually.


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Of Lea Langley
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 10:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Is there a way to sort apps alphabetically on the iPhone

Hi all and thank you very much for the help is there a way to tell the
iPhone to sort apps in alphabetical order? God bless, Wren Langley

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: issues I have with the new update.

2014-09-28 Thread RobH.
Sadder when you spend all that extra money, and find some of the irritations 
and limitations of a'droid.

Agree, those iOs bugs are bad!..   some have managed to work around and live 
with them,  while they're fixed.

JMO, R.
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 6:03 AM
Subject: issues I have with the new update.


Hello folks. I usually don't post on
here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company
that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am
extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a
person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I
don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue
tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items
with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or
activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't
exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure
out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am
upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also
what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the
cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on
they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple
products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple
continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will
switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all
think?
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Re: IOs 8 release and accessibility.

2014-09-28 Thread Christopher Hallsworth
Handoff allows you to start something on one device and continue it on 
another.



Sent from my laptop

On 24/09/2014 00:42, Steve  Shannon Cook wrote:

What is handoff?



Steve and Shannon Cook

Today I married my best friend.

The one that I laugh with, live for, love.

October 11, 2003



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Of Cheryl Homiak
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOs 8 release and accessibility.



I know there are bugs, but I am truly enjoying this iOS. I really love
handoff!





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Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

2014-09-28 Thread Cheryl Lenartiene
I'm right there with you, Deb. My gestures still aren't always recognized when 
I use the onscreen Braille keyboard. And yesterday, while I was talking on the 
phone using my Bluetooth headset, I tried to respond to a text message using 
the onscreen Braille keyboard, and Bluetooth crashed, routing the call to the 
handset. I can reproduce this every time. I'm telling you, something funky is 
going on here.

CHERYL

Be joyful always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances;
for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 26, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't
 matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but
 when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often
 says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I
 have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the
 upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for
 example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable
 words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So
 I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better
 at some future time.
 
 
 
 On 9/26/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
 better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
 Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
 They're different, but similar enough.
 
 Teresa
 
 We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
 with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks
 
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
 though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille
 than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my
 passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it
 out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the
 convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for
 sure.
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:
 
 Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one
 and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an
 onscreen braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I
 have never tried it.
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
 
 this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
 !
 
 Sharonda
 Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
 
 On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
 wrote:
 
 That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
 days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
 two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
 displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on
 the device.
 
 Neal
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Sandy Finley
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
 
 Nicki and others,
 
 I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have
 learned from  others that helped me with the braille input.
 
 1.   When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the
 right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille setting
 on your rotor follows the edit field around.
 
 2.  I find it useful  to use away mode. For some reason, when in
 table mode, dots 1, 2, 3 appear on the right so everything is backwards.
 
 3.  Once in a way mode, Do not calibrate just write.
 
 Unfortunately, when trying to  use  contracted Braille the app does not
 echo characters. I like to have characters echoed at this point so I
 write in unconstructed Braille.
 
 4.  Flick once left to erase a character and once right for space.
 5.
 6.  When done rotor once left or right, then you can use VO gestures
 again. HTH
 
 Sandy
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Re: Sending Audio In A Text.

2014-09-28 Thread Christopher Hallsworth
Ok what you do is double tap on record audio. On the second tap hold, 
speak your message, then lift wen done. If you can't do this then I 
don't know a reason why. I have no problems recording audio messages. 
But the strange thing is the focus issues after that such as locating 
the send button. In one instance I thought the audio didn't get recorded 
as the screen didn't change. Any workarounds for this would be 
appreciated. Thanks!



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On 23/09/2014 22:33, Anthony Vece wrote:

Hi Everyone;
My Brother sent me an audio message using IOS8.
I am unable to reply.

I also upgraded to IOS8.

Please help?


Thanks
Anthony


Sent from my ATT iPhone 5s!



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Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

2014-09-28 Thread Teresa Cochran
Braille input is actually available on any device that can run iOS8. I''m using 
Braille input on my iPod Touch 5G.

Teresa

We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks

 On Sep 28, 2014, at 1:13 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
 wrote:
 
 Sorry, 8 dot Braille for screen input is not available on the iPhone unless 
 it is on the 6 or 6+ I do not know since I only have a 4s and have no 
 interest in upgrading right now. You do however get 8 dot Braille screen 
 input on the iPad including the Mini.
 
 
 Sent from my laptop
 
 On 27/09/2014 20:25, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:
 Hi,
 
 You can switch between 6- and 8-dot braille with a 3-finger flick right on 
 the iPhone as well as the iPad.
 
 HTH,
 Anna
 
 
 
 On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 This has been yet another benefit of the 6 Plus for me. When using table 
 top mode, it really feels, in terms of spacing, like you're Brailling on a 
 Perkins. Really digging the wider keys.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
 On 28/09/2014, at 7:23 am, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Do a 3-finger swipe right or left while in braille input mode to switch 
 between 6 dot, contracted, and 8 dot (iPad only).
 On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:45 PM, Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hello all, how do you change to grade one on the ios braille keyboard? 
 This is the first note on the on screen keyboard for me.
 
 
 reggie and Allegra
 
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well I definitely think all the explanations are good. But it doesn't
 matter. I can get the dots going the right way in explore mode but
 when I actually enter something, it simply isn't useable. It often
 says I've got four fingers down when someone tells me visually that I
 have only three which is the intent. And I'll get dot six for the
 upper case but instead of the upper case I it always enters 9 for
 example. Practicing several hours I've made about three readable
 words. definitely not bothering to do this for my unlock code, LOL. So
 I'm moving on to better ways of using my time and hoping it's better
 at some future time.
 
 
 
 On 9/26/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
 better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method 
 and a
 Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
 They're different, but similar enough.
 
 Teresa
 
 We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
 with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks
 
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
 though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille
 than hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my
 passcode easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it
 out and get accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the
 convenience is definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for
 sure.
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:
 
 Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old 
 one
 and a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an
 onscreen braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I
 have never tried it.
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out
 
 this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille
 !
 
 Sharonda
 Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
 
 On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
 wrote:
 
 That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to 
 the
 days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots 
 one,
 two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and 
 braille
 displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on
 the device.
 
 Neal
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Sandy Finley
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out
 
 Nicki and others,
 
 I don't know if this will help you but here is a set of steps I have
 learned from  others that helped me with the braille input.
 
 1.   When you land in an edit field turn your rotor once to the
 right. The Braille keyboard is usually there because the Braille 
 setting
 on your rotor follows the edit field around.
 
 2.  I find it 

Re: New Skype On The iPhone

2014-09-28 Thread Christopher Hallsworth
You should be able to interact with the notification by flicking up or 
down with one finger on the action you wish to perform on the 
notification. So for example with Skype you may see actions such as 
accept for calls and reply for chats.



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On 23/09/2014 05:21, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:

Hey all. I was going through my updates today and I noticed a new Skype update, 
version 5.5. This update has new and pretty neat features, including answering 
calls and replying to messages in the lock screen and when banners appear in 
iOS8. They tell you how to answer calls and that in the lock and home screens 
as a sighted person, but has anyone figured out how to do the same when 
Voiceover is on?

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook



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Re: Alex voice, how is it?

2014-09-28 Thread Kliphton
I personally didn't like it.  It hangs when closing certain apps, and lags 
often when reading.  I am running him on a 5S 32GB.  Maybe after some of the 
updates he will be fine.
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On Sep 28, 2014, at 4:34 AM, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks, I got it.
 I'm not sure if I like this voice better or not. It will take a couple of days
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Please x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
 On Sep 28, 2014, at 12:51 AM, Devin r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Restart voiceover, and switch to him in the language roter. 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
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 Okay, you have convinced me. Now I have downloaded it. Now how do I get it 
 to work?
 
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Re: viewing text messages in the lock screen

2014-09-28 Thread Christopher Hallsworth
What you can do now is reply to the text message on the lock screen. To 
do this locate the message, flick up or down with one finger to reply 
and double tap. At my end it seems sluggish overall with VoiceOver 
stuttering after each letter. I will report this to Apple once I have a 
chance to compare this with the same feature on my iPad Mini. For now 
though I do it like you could always do; double tap on the message and 
reply in the Messages app.



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Hey guys,
I thought i saw some place, you can read a text message in the lock
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Re: [Bulk] RE: Fwd: How to solve an issue in iOS 8.0 which makes Bluetooth keyboards not working

2014-09-28 Thread Teresa Cochran
Yes, there are quirks. It's best to type in a text field with QuickNav off. You 
can toggle it by pressing the two side arrow keys simultaneously on the 
keyboard. If you use a Braille display, turning QuickNav off doesn't seem to 
affect any of its functions.

Teresa

We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks

 On Sep 27, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Don Risavy, Jr. djrisav...@att.net wrote:
 
 When you say switch back does that mean to the original keyboard or to quick 
 nav?
 
 
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 Neal Ewers
 Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 9:19 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [Bulk] RE: Fwd: How to solve an issue in iOS 8.0 which makes 
 Bluetooth keyboards not working
 
 Hi, If one follows this strategy, does the bluetooth keyboard work as it did 
 in 7.2, or does it still have a few quirks one should be aware of?
 
 Neal
 
 
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 Robert Doc Wright
 Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:31 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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 keyboards not working
 
 turn quicknav off and open a edit field
 now double tap the alternate keyboard and then switch it back.  Your keyboard 
 should now work.
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 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:31 PM
 Subject: Re: Fwd: How to solve an issue in iOS 8.0 which makes Bluetooth 
 keyboards not working
 
 
 So I've gone as far as creating another keyboard and a new note.  I have no 
 idea what l1 and b7 are.
 
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Re: Phone refuses to load.

2014-09-28 Thread Bluesman02

Hi Mama,

Thanks for your response.

Well it seems it wasn't such a good idea!, as phone is totally useless right 
now.


My wife has the same phone and has installed the update and has no problems. 
so guess its just down to my bad luck or something!.


Best regards,

Del

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Subject: Re: Phone refuses to load.


I have heard several people say not to update a 4S and others have said it's
okay to, so I am not sure if it was a good idea or not for you to update it.
They say the processor of the 4S is not fast enough to run IOS 8.

-Original Message- 
From: Bluesman02

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Phone refuses to load.

Hi all,

I tried to update to  IOs8 this evening, and it seemed all was going well.
until such times the phone needed to switch off and reboot to install the
software update.

Since then, I can't get the phone to load anything at all.

the only thing it will do is show the Apple as it usually does before
voiceover and such loads.

So question is: has anyone any idea as to what could be causing this
problem. and any suggestions on how to remedy the situation.

Just for your reference I'm using an I phone 4 S.

Best regards,

Del


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RE: Alex voice, how is it?

2014-09-28 Thread Tom Rash
I like it.  If you're totally blind, it is like getting a new monitor.  If
after a while you find you need more space, dump it.  For now I'm keeping
Alex on my phone. 

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Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:32 PM
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Subject: Alex voice, how is it?

Hi all,
For those of you who have downloaded the Alex voice, is it worth it? It
takes almost an entire gigabyte, which I have plenty of now, but I'm just
curious do you really like it better?
Thanks,

Chuck (mobile)
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RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

2014-09-28 Thread Tom Rash
When going into table top mode, does it matter if the home button is on the
right or the left, or is it nonspecific? 

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Of Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

Just place your device on a flat surface. I use my knee. It will switch
automatically to tabletop mode. It works like the perkins.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu

On 26/09/2014 22:24, Jerry Mader wrote:
 How do you type in table top mode. How do you switch it to table top 
 mode once you activate the braille screen input?
 And how do you keep it from switching to away mode?
 Thanks.
 Jerry Mader

_

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 Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak
 Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 3:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out


 Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using 
 a slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins 
 brailler would feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it 
 gives my fingers the feeling that they are typing on a Perkins 
 brailler or my Braille Edge. But it's nice that there is more than one way
to do it.


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Re: Sending Audio In A Text.

2014-09-28 Thread Anthony Vece
Yesterday, I sent my Sister an audio.
After I recorded it I played it to make sure it recorded and, it did.
Then, I did not swipe.
I looked for the send manually.
After I found it I sent the message.


Sent from my ATT iPhone 5s!

 On Sep 28, 2014, at 7:15 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
 wrote:
 
 Ok what you do is double tap on record audio. On the second tap hold, speak 
 your message, then lift wen done. If you can't do this then I don't know a 
 reason why. I have no problems recording audio messages. But the strange 
 thing is the focus issues after that such as locating the send button. In one 
 instance I thought the audio didn't get recorded as the screen didn't change. 
 Any workarounds for this would be appreciated. Thanks!
 
 
 Sent from my laptop
 
 On 23/09/2014 22:33, Anthony Vece wrote:
 Hi Everyone;
 My Brother sent me an audio message using IOS8.
 I am unable to reply.
 
 I also upgraded to IOS8.
 
 Please help?
 
 
 Thanks
 Anthony
 
 
 Sent from my ATT iPhone 5s!
 
 
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Transferring text messages from iPhone to PC

2014-09-28 Thread Cheryl Lenartiene
Does anyone know of an accessible app for the PC that would allow you to remove 
and save text messages from your IPhone? I've tried several, and none of them 
are accessible.

Thanks,
Cheryl

Be joyful always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances;
for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18

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RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

2014-09-28 Thread Rose Combs
Well I will eventually figure it out I hope.  I have been fairly busy or too
tired to do anything.  They tell me it will pass but at this point not sure.


 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Nicki Keck
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 1:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

 

Actually, tabletop mode is more like a perkins and screen away mode is more
like a slate and stylus.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rose Combs
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

 

The more I hear about doing braille input on the phone the more confused I
get.  Nothing new in that over the past several months, I am of two minds
whether to bite the bullet or not, sounds to me like to use tabletop I would
have to think like I was writing with a slate and stylus, and I have never
been particularly adept at that.  

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of christopher hallsworth
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 12:25 PM
To: Viphone
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

 

Agreed, especially on my iPad where I am very fast at typing in Braille on
there. As for the phone once I got the correct orientation I can quite
happily type in Braille on there too. I use tabletop mode only.


Sent from my Macbook Pro 

 

On 26 Sep 2014, at 20:22, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:

 

Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using a
slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins brailler would
feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it gives my fingers the
feeling that they are typing on a Perkins brailler or my Braille Edge. But
it's nice that there is more than one way to do it.

 

-- 

Cheryl

 

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness.

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

 

 

 

 

On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:

 

I can now enter my passcode in both modes, though my overall accuracy is
better in screen-away mode. To me, the difference between this method and a
Perkins is like the difference between Braille on displays and on paper.
They're different, but similar enough.

 

Teresa

We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks


On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Alex Hall  mailto:mehg...@icloud.com
mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

Undeoubtedly, it's far different and takes getting used to. As you said,
though, it is often easier to be able to type out something in braille than
hook up a notetaker or display, and it certainly makes entering my passcode
easy. If possible, give it a try, long enough to really test it out and get
accustomed to how it works. It might not be for you, but the convenience is
definitely worth at least giving it a shot to see for sure.

On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Rose Combs  mailto:roseco...@q.com
roseco...@q.com wrote:

 

Maybe I am crazy, but as a user of a braille no taker, albeit an old one and
a Perkins Brailler, I just cannot wrap my head around using an onscreen
braille writing tool.  Sometimes it would be much wiser but, I have never
tried it. 

 

 

From:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com[
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:37 PM
To:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

 

this is awesome information. Thanks! I am writing this in Braille

!

Sharonda

Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes 


On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:20 PM, Neal Ewers  mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:

That's interesting that they give you both modes. It takes me back to the
days when I used a slate and stylus and when you were writing, dots one,
two, and three were on the right side. Of course, note takers and braille
displays reversed this, but I find it interesting that you have both on the
device.

 

Neal

 

 

From:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com[
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
OfSandy Finley
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:01 PM
To:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille Inpput: What Helped me Figure it out

 

Nicki and others,

 

I don't know if this will help you 

RE: Dots 1 and 2 reversed in Tabletop Mode?

2014-09-28 Thread Rose Combs
Wouldn't that be sort of like the configuration on a Braille Note, the dots
3 and 6 are slanted as are 3 and 6 which seems odd in a way but I have
pretty good speed on one when needed.  Sort of like those split keyboards
from Microsoft?  I have not tried this as of yet, stormy here and other
things I had to do instead of play with my new phone.  

 

I am just guessing here, I know the first hour I spent with the Braille Note
I felt strange with that configuration but now it is fine, anything beats a
slate and stylus.  

 

BTW the read I read it, if you are in away mood home should be to the right,
if in table top home should be on the left, could this by who people are
getting different results?  Again, not been there yet.  

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cheryl Homiak
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 2:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Dots 1 and 2 reversed in Tabletop Mode?

 

 

That flattened v shape description never really made sense to me even though
I know what a V shape is. maybe that's why this is working for me where
Mbraille didn't; I never bothered to try to picture any kind of V when I
started with the built-in input where I struggled to do that with mbraille.
I'm not at all saying that's not accurate, just that it never worked for me.
If there's a curve instead of being a straight line, it's not enough for me
to feel that it is slanted and it does feel like a Perkins to me. But I
imagine that a lot of this depends on your finger length, hand size and how
you place your fingers. I have no explanation for your dot reversal; I might
have briefly seen this in explore mode if I tried to move the finger I was
holding down but otherwise I haven't seen this and I sincerely hope I never
do. I hope you solve it or, if it is a bug, that it will be fixed soon.

 

-- 

Cheryl

 

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness.

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

 

 

 

 

On Sep 27, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:





If you imagine the flattened V shape, there are still two lines, not columns
yet not in a single horizontal line either. The dots don't go straight
across like a Perkins broiler, they slant up slightly. In my mind, that puts
the left three dots across from the right three. The order I see, from left
to right, is:

3 1 2 4 5 6

On Sep 27, 2014, at 4:57 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:





I think you are misunderstanding tabletop mode perhaps. Dot5 shouldn't be
above dot4 in tabletop mode but to the right of it. Dots 3 and 6 should be
at opposite ends of the long edge. This doesn't sound like your description
at all to me. In the right order they should be: 3 2 1 4 5 6 going from left
to right along the bottom edge except I don't think there's only one exact
place/button for each dot. Some of this depends on calibration, which I
really haven't seemed to need and I think there is some leeway for where you
put your fingers unlike the virtual keyboard where your fingers must always
be placed in an exact place. In tabletop mode, I don't understand your
description of dots 3 and 6 being across from each other because in tabletop
mode we are not looking at two columns along the short sides facing each
other bugt at a row going along the long side.

 

 

 

 

-- 

Cheryl

 

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness.

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

 

 

 

 

On Sep 27, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:





I've used the explore mode already, and it showed exactly what I already
knew: the dots are reversed. The dot closest to the lower edge of the phone
on the right is dot 4, as it should be, and immediately next to that is. dot
2. Just above and to the right of dot 4 is dot 5, right where I'd expect it
to be. Above and just left of the (misplaced) dot 2 is. dot 1. Dot 3 is
across from dot 6, just where it should be. I am comfortable with the shape
of the keyboard, but the fact remains that dots 1 and 2 are swapped somehow.
I used to see this if I calibrated in Tabletop mode, but now I see it all
the time in that mode, whether or not I calibrate.

On Sep 27, 2014, at 4:37 PM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:





First off, this is such good advice, I went to try it, even though I don't 

sharing contact

2014-09-28 Thread Robert Doc Wright
I tried sharing a contact and it doesn't send.  I went through the steps to 
send but when I double tapped the send button nothing happened.

If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning 
start?

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Re: KNFB reader rocks!

2014-09-28 Thread Shirley
Is it worth the money then? 99 dollars seems an awful lot of money to pay 
for an ap.

But if it works, I wouldnt mind paying.
Shirley

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: KNFB reader rocks!


Hi all,
I am having lunch at my local sandwich shop. They have a menu mounted on the 
wall behind the cash register.

I took a picture of the menu... Worked pretty well!



Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

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Re: app for facebook chat

2014-09-28 Thread Shirley
The regular facebook ap works pretty well Adrien. Also the face book 
messenger works pretty well for fb chat. I'm not even sure that the aps that 
used to be available for blind facebook users are available any more. I 
think they were discontinued.

Shirley

-Original Message- 
From: Adrien Collins

Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: app for facebook chat

Hi

I know this has been covered in previous messages but what
is the best app for me to use to use facebook and how do I
use facetime please?

Regards

Adrien


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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Well, it isn't necessary, but you could, if you wanted.

Sent from my iPad


On Sep 18, 2014, at 10:06 PM, TaraPrakash

taraprak...@gmail.com wrote:


Wuld you advise me to have an aim account.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 18, 2014, at 7:30 PM, Devin

r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com wrote:


Yes, it is. Its free, and very accessible.

Sent from my iPad


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taraprak...@gmail.com wrote:


Is a i m an ios app?

Sent from my iPhone


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r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com wrote:


I personally use AIM. It works wonderfully!

Sent from my iPad


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taraprak...@gmail.com wrote:


Dear all.
One problem I am facing with fb messenger app is that

when I am chatting and a new message comes it doesn't get
read to me. I have to find the message to be able to hear it
on my 5C. Is it possible that when a new message comes
voiceover automatically reads it? If the phone is locked and
a message comes on fb, it gets read aloud without my doing
anything.

Or, is there a third party app that reads messages

aloud without having to find the text for reading it?

At the risk of going off topic, can someone also

suggest me any chat client that works with jaws and allows
facebook chat? When I chat using my browser on my windows 7
computer, i have to refresh

the page to see if a new message has arrived.
The best way I have found thus far is to type on my

computer's browser for sending my messages and listen to the
messages as they arrive in the notification area on my
phone. As I said earlier, if the phone is locked the
notification gets read without my having to do anything.

So, is there a better way to chat on facebook?

Thanks for any suggestions.

TaraPrakash

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Re: Bad news on 8.0 and 8.1 is all over the papers

2014-09-28 Thread Shirley
I didnt update due to lack of space on my phone. Now I'm glad I didnt. It 
would seem there are a ton of bugs. I'm happy with IOS 7, for now.

Shirley

-Original Message- 
From: Andrew Lamanche

Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:13 PM
To: VIPhone
Subject: Bad news on 8.0 and 8.1 is all over the papers

Hi,

It seems that Apple is going to get it in the neck for releasing a buggy 
iOS.  Have a look at the link below.  It is a bit of a shame to release the 
update 8.1 and within minutes withdraw it.  Sighted Apple community is up in 
arms about it.  The downloads and installations of the new 8.0 are down by 
half compared to the previous iOS releases.  So maybe it's advisable not to 
upgrade at the moment.  It's not only us that suffer but we will suffer 
longer so be warned!


http://macdailynews.com/2014/09/24/ios-8-0-1-fiasco-apple-exec-responsible-for-catching-bugs-before-release-has-a-ferocious-door-slamming-temper/

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Re: Anyone have experience wit

2014-09-28 Thread Don Breda
I don't have experience with that app but if your willing to stand on line for 
a bit to buy tickets then download the tkts app. That is the T theater 
development fund app and shows you whats on the board in realtime for purchase. 
Doing this will save you anywhere from 30 to 50% off on your tickets the day of 
the show. Living in New York city and loving it. Don 
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Braille input is greater

2014-09-28 Thread ramy moustafa
hello  all: am now using the braille input and really this is really great 
feature in ios8 big thanks 2 Apple. am I ama

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Ios8 02 with keyboard

2014-09-28 Thread ramy moustafa


hi all: am using a bluetooth keyboard from microsoft with my iphone but after 
installing ios8 i got very strange issues  like saying the letter 2 times and 
say 2 instead of the letter i. tell me ow can i fix this issue. tu Ramy 
moustafa saber
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RE: issues I have with the new update.

2014-09-28 Thread Rose Combs
Does anyone else have a problem with Light detector on IOS 8.02?  It is
something that with as many family members some in the turn off and on
lights get all confused with my ceiling fans etc., I used regularly and
right now I can't get it to work.  

Money reader does work.  


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very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely
disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a
number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is
fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my
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the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues
mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they
couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store.
I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also
what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell
phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will
lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might
email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things
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Re: Ios8 02 with keyboard

2014-09-28 Thread Jennie Facer
Hi,

There is a bug in iOS 8 that everyone has been talking about. It is all over 
the archives of this list. The best thing to do is to always have Quick Nav off 
when typing no matter where you are. You may also not get your feedback the way 
you are used to in some apps. I have mine on characters for hardware keyboards, 
but it only speaks the words after I type them.

You can also try going into settings, general, keyboards, then add a keyboard 
even if you don't use it for a while. You can delete it in a moment. Now go 
into the notes app and compose a note.
Now make sure quick Nav is off and press command plus spacebar to move 
throughout the two keyboards you have onscreen. I have added the eMojy keyboard 
and the normal Apple onscreen keyboard, and I just switch between them a few 
times, and then the keyboard should work with Quick Nav off.

I hope this helps you a little bit. Great luck! I am using my Logitech keyboard 
right now and I have an iPhone 5 and an iPad mini with retina and they all do 
the same thing.

Thank you so much!

Jenn

TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMENE YOU 
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 hi all: am using a bluetooth keyboard from microsoft with my iphone but after 
 installing ios8 i got very strange issues  like saying the letter 2 times and 
 say 2 instead of the letter i. tell me ow can i fix this issue. tu Ramy 
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 Musicc instructor at:
 faculty of musical education
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 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Notification center, anyone having this problem?

2014-09-28 Thread Tom Rash
Clear section.  I get the confirm clear section, but double tapping does not
work.  It was mentioned here to double tap again or tripple tap.  Still
nothing.  It was mentioned here It was a labelling problem, but I cannot
confirm clear section.  Using iPhone 5 S on IOS 80.10.2


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Re: Anyone have experience wit

2014-09-28 Thread Gadget Girl
Try, http://www.ticketmaster.com/h/order-by-phone.html

I got my tickets here.  The rep was polite and helpful.

Regards,
Gadget Girl 

Sent from my Apple gadget.  Apple, take a bite, express yourself.

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 H the TicketMaster app? Other suggestions for TicketMaster accessibility? 
 Hi,
  
 Planning a trip to New York, and want to try to get some tickets to Broadway.
  
 Anyone have suggestions for good ways to access TicketMaster?
  
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RE: Notification center, anyone having this problem?

2014-09-28 Thread Mary-Jo Lord
Hi,
 
I've noticed that I've had to double tap on the button several times before
it works. I've also noticed that there isn't a clear section button, just
a confirm clear section button. It doesn't make any sound when it is
clicked, so the only way that I know that a section has been cleared is to
scroll down with my finger to see if they have been cleared. I've also
noticed that after a few notifications have been announced by voiceover, it
announces the time, rather than the notification.

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Clear section.  I get the confirm clear section, but double tapping does not
work.  It was mentioned here to double tap again or tripple tap.  Still
nothing.  It was mentioned here It was a labelling problem, but I cannot
confirm clear section.  Using iPhone 5 S on IOS 80.10.2


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Re: Ios8 02 with keyboard

2014-09-28 Thread Kevin Wassmer
Good advice Jen. But I can't even use space with the command and
options to activate something. It is really earitating conserding I
use the key board for a lot of things. The people at the Apple store
don't even know how to fix it.

On 9/28/14, Jennie Facer jennie.fa...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 There is a bug in iOS 8 that everyone has been talking about. It is all over
 the archives of this list. The best thing to do is to always have Quick Nav
 off when typing no matter where you are. You may also not get your feedback
 the way you are used to in some apps. I have mine on characters for hardware
 keyboards, but it only speaks the words after I type them.

 You can also try going into settings, general, keyboards, then add a
 keyboard even if you don't use it for a while. You can delete it in a
 moment. Now go into the notes app and compose a note.
 Now make sure quick Nav is off and press command plus spacebar to move
 throughout the two keyboards you have onscreen. I have added the eMojy
 keyboard and the normal Apple onscreen keyboard, and I just switch between
 them a few times, and then the keyboard should work with Quick Nav off.

 I hope this helps you a little bit. Great luck! I am using my Logitech
 keyboard right now and I have an iPhone 5 and an iPad mini with retina and
 they all do the same thing.

 Thank you so much!

 Jenn

   TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMENE YOU 
 ARE THE WORLD!

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 wrote:



 hi all: am using a bluetooth keyboard from microsoft with my iphone but
 after installing ios8 i got very strange issues  like saying the letter 2
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Re: Phone refuses to load.

2014-09-28 Thread Bluesman02
Hi Jonathan, 

Many thanks for your reply. 

Unfortunately though, your suggestion didn't work. 

When phone was connected to pc/Itunes, there was no phone visible. so guess its 
a trip to the store tomorrow. 

Best regards, 

Del

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  Subject: Re: Phone refuses to load.


  Hi Del, you'll probably have to connect your phone to Itunes. The phone is 
likely to come up in DFU, Device Firmware Update mode, and give you the chance 
to restore the software.

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Hi all,

I tried to update to  IOs8 this evening, and it seemed all was going well. 
until such times the phone needed to switch off and reboot to install the 
software update.

Since then, I can't get the phone to load anything at all.

the only thing it will do is show the Apple as it usually does before 
voiceover and such loads.

So question is: has anyone any idea as to what could be causing this 
problem. and any suggestions on how to remedy the situation.

Just for your reference I'm using an I phone 4 S.

Best regards,

Del 

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Re: issues I have with the new update.

2014-09-28 Thread Robin
It appears you are highly invested in Apple products/services, and I 
suggest you contact both Apple and/or Apple Accessibility to address 
your concerns and give them some constructive criticism, but in my 
opinion, leaving to go to another Mobile PlatForm is not the answer.


Although I do support exploration of other Mobile PlatForms, which I 
am currently doing myself.I don't want to be tied to any specific 
platform, I want to keep my options open, and enjoy the benefits of 
each, and offer constructive criticism where needed to improve them 
for a better experience overall.


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Hello folks. I usually don't post on
here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company
that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am
extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a
person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I
don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue
tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items
with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or
activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't
exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure
out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am
upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also
what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the
cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on
they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple
products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple
continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will
switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all
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Re: issues I have with the new update.

2014-09-28 Thread Richard Turner
I have not been following this thread, but whomever wrote the original message 
has not been paying attention since a solution to the bluetooth keyboard 
problem has been posted several times before yesterday.
Yes, the keys sticking in the phone keypad is an annoying problem.
Yes, iOS 8 is perhaps more buggy than iOS 7 was but those of us who updated 
were warned by several people on this list to not upgrade if you were not 
willing to deal with some very annoying bugs.
So if after updating, they want to spend their money on another platform, that 
is their choice.
Richard


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 On Sep 28, 2014, at 7:46 AM, Robin robin-mel...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 It appears you are highly invested in Apple products/services, and I suggest 
 you contact both Apple and/or Apple Accessibility to address your concerns 
 and give them some constructive criticism, but in my opinion, leaving to go 
 to another Mobile PlatForm is not the answer.
 
 Although I do support exploration of other Mobile PlatForms, which I am 
 currently doing myself.I don't want to be tied to any specific platform, I 
 want to keep my options open, and enjoy the benefits of each, and offer 
 constructive criticism where needed to improve them for a better experience 
 overall.
 
 At 10:03 PM 9/27/2014, you wrote:
 Hello folks. I usually don't post on
 here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company
 that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am
 extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a
 person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I
 don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue
 tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items
 with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or
 activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't
 exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure
 out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am
 upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also
 what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the
 cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on
 they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple
 products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple
 continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will
 switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all
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Re: braille safari navigation feature

2014-09-28 Thread Ioana Gandrabur
I always get it to work in the following way:
1. go to a page in safari and put vo focus anywhere in the page.
2. Turn rotor to Braille input.
3. I use away mode for now. I type s and hear Same item If I type h I hear 
headings. I can then flick up or down and navigate previous or next heading. 
Same works for numbers to go to heading of speciffic level. 
However,  if I type a character that's not recognized, none work unless I get 
out of braille mode and rpeat the above steps
Hope this helps 
Anyone else gets this cool feature to work or am I just lucky? 

Best,
Ioana
..



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 On Sep 28, 2014, at 4:00 AM, Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
 wrote:
 
 So how do I get this to work? Asking as when I input a letter for quick 
 navigation it says not recognized. I can however navigate by links at least. 
 Neither Jonathan's book nor podcasts from Applevis mentioned this hidden 
 feature in Braille Input. Haven't checked out their guides or blog postings 
 yet. Thanks!
 
 
 Sent from my laptop
 
 On 27/09/2014 21:19, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
 No I don't have a Braille display capable of Braille innput. Works like a 
 charm on web pages with on-screen. Only problem, as already mentioned, is 
 that it's impossible to enter text in web form fields
 Hth,
 
 Ioana
 .
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, Christopher Hallsworth 
 challswor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Really? Are you sure this isn't anything to do with using QuickNav with a 
 Braille display? I will go and check this out.
 
 
 Sent from my laptop
 
 On 26/09/2014 12:49, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 Have not heard anyone mention a cool feature of braille inpot in ios 8 so 
 just thought I'd quickly bring it up.
 
 In safari one can turn on braille and use h for heading, l for links etc 
 to navigate. Swipe up or down to go to previous or next element.
 Hope this helps someone.
 Best,
 
 
 Ioana
 
 
 
 
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Re: Phone refuses to load.

2014-09-28 Thread Jonathan Mosen
Hi Del. You may have to force the phone into DFU mode. To do this, after 
connecting the phone to iTunes, hold down the Home and Power buttons together 
for about six seconds, then release the power   button while keeping the Home 
button held down until iTunes detects the phone in DFU mode. This should take 
about another 10 seconds.

Jonathan.
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 On Sep 29, 2014, at 3:23 AM, Bluesman02 bluesma...@ntlworld.com wrote:
 
 Hi Jonathan,
  
 Many thanks for your reply.
  
 Unfortunately though, your suggestion didn't work.
  
 When phone was connected to pc/Itunes, there was no phone visible. so guess 
 its a trip to the store tomorrow.
  
 Best regards,
  
 Del
  
 - Original Message -
 From: Jonathan Mosen
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 9:59 PM
 Subject: Re: Phone refuses to load.
 
 Hi Del, you'll probably have to connect your phone to Itunes. The phone is 
 likely to come up in DFU, Device Firmware Update mode, and give you the 
 chance to restore the software.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
 On 28/09/2014, at 9:25 am, Bluesman02 bluesma...@ntlworld.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I tried to update to  IOs8 this evening, and it seemed all was going well. 
 until such times the phone needed to switch off and reboot to install the 
 software update.
 
 Since then, I can't get the phone to load anything at all.
 
 the only thing it will do is show the Apple as it usually does before 
 voiceover and such loads.
 
 So question is: has anyone any idea as to what could be causing this 
 problem. and any suggestions on how to remedy the situation.
 
 Just for your reference I'm using an I phone 4 S.
 
 Best regards,
 
 Del 
 
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RE: the 16 or the 64G?

2014-09-28 Thread Vicky Collins
I got the 16GB 6 Plus.  I really meant to pre-order the 64GB, but 
it wasn't available when I was ordering on the first day, so I 
told myself the 16GB would be okay.  And, in my case, maybe it 
indeed will be.


I do have the KNFB Reader on my phone, and I don't store 
documents or books and things of that nature.  Also, with the 
16GB, those free apps such as Pages were indeed not installed, 
although I guess I could get them if I wanted.


When I checked my 16GB iPhone 4S running iOS 8.0.2, it showed the 
capacity as being 12.7GB, and the amount available as 10.0GB.  
Then, when I setup my iPhone 6 Plus 16GB by restoring from an 
encrypted iTunes backup after updating it to iOS 8.0.2, that 
phone showed the capacity as 11.8GB and the amount available as 
being 9.2GB.  There was a difference of 2.7GB used on my 4S, as 
opposed to 2.6 on my 6 Plus, but I'm guessing that the plus usage 
will increase up to 2.7 or more once I start using the apps on my 
phone.  But, even if an over the air iOS update takes between 5 
and 6GB to install, I might just be okay, or of course could 
always use iTunes where less space would be needed.


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 06:22:31 -0500
Subject: RE: the 16 or the 64G?

Also, those preloaded apps only come on the 64 and 128, not the 
16.




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf

Of Alex Hall
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: the 16 or the 64G?



Yes, but you can delete the pre-installed apps.  You still can't 
delete
things like Stocks, Calendar, or other stock apps, but you can 
remove Pages,

iMovie, and others you don't want.

On Sep 27, 2014, at 7:09 AM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com
mailto:wcmerr...@gmail.com  wrote:





Greetings.  Those considering what size to get, consider that 
with
either the iPhone 6 or 6 Plus, Apple has more stock aps preloaded 
than
they did before, such as Podcasts, Pages, keynote, Numbers, 
Garage
Band, an several more.  If you are picky about space, you might 
want to
consider the top limit of 128 GB.  I just got my new iPhone 6 
yesterday
and noticed that with all my music and apps, there was still a 
good 23
GB left over, which was a bit less han on my prior iPhone 5.  
Probably
won't matter to most, but thought I'd mention it all the same.  
This is

till good for me but the numbers were a little bit of a surprise.

Wayne

On 9/26/14, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca

wrote:



Hi Pam,



The KNFB Reader does not store things on your phone unless  you 
actually
safe a document.  But it is easy to export the documents to 
Dropbox and in
any case, it would take an aweful lot of documents to make a 
difference

even
on a 16 Gb phone.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Pam Berman
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 1:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: the 16 or the 64G?



I don't store any of the things you mentioned or at least not 
much.  I'm
concerned going forward though because I'm interested in the new 
KNFB app.






From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alex Hall
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 3:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: the 16 or the 64G?



It all depends on your expected usage.  That is, if you never 
store music,
movies, audio books, tons of voices, or huge apps on your phone, 
16GB is
fine.  If, however, the extra 48GB is worth the $100 so you *can* 
fit all

the
stuff I just listed, that's fine too.  Basically, there's no 
functional
difference between the two, and the 64GB is $100 more.  Only you 
know if the
price increase and thereby storage increase is worth it.  
Personally, I have
a 16GB phone that currently has 4GB free, but no music or movies 
on it, and

I don't use audio books.

On Sep 26, 2014, at 4:44 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com
mailto:cah4...@icloud.com
mailto:cah4...@icloud.com  wrote:



I'd say 64gb if you can afford it.  I've heard people lament 
about having

not
enough storage; I don't think I've ever heard anybody complain 
about having
too much storage.  Besides this, quite a few people had to dump 
stuff off
their 16gb devices to download and/or install this time, though 
this is

less
of a problemif you use 

Re: THE EMAIL BUG IS GONE!!!

2014-09-28 Thread Ioana Gandrabur
I use iPhone 5 with ios 8.02 and unfortunately still have this bug. 
Best workaround I found is to touch the move or reply button and then slide to 
the delete button and activate it. This appeers to-work reliably. 

Best,
Ioana
 



Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 25, 2014, at 2:05 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 I guess this is one of these sometimes there and sometimes not there bugs. I 
 read quite a few posts from people who say they have this issue, but it never 
 has been a problem for me on my 5S and that was the case throughout the 
 entire beta cycle with every beta version from Beta 1 to Beta 5 and the 
 Goldmaster. I downgraded to iOS 7.1.2 from the Goldmaster on Sunday and back 
 to iOS 8 public release (same built as Goldmaster) and I still can’t 
 reproduce it.
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Anthony Vece
 Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:12 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: THE EMAIL BUG IS GONE!!!
  
 The bug that activates the reply screen when you hit the delete button.
 
 
 Sent from my ATT iPhone 5s!
 
 On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 What email bug is that?
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Anthony Vece
 Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:28 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: THE EMAIL BUG IS GONE!!!
  
 Hi Everyone;
  
 I am happy to report that the email bug is gone!
  
 I am using the 16gb iPhone 5s on att.
  
 Patience patience!
  
  
 Susan  Anthony Vece
 800 N. Main St.
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 Home: (856) 629-2045
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Re: sharing contact

2014-09-28 Thread Feliciano G
Its an ios8 bug. The same thing occurs when you try to share it with a page 
from the Safari browser to a contact  via   message.

  Regards, Feliciano



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 I tried sharing a contact and it doesn't send.  I went through the steps to 
 send but when I double tapped the send button nothing happened.
 
 If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning 
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RE: THE EMAIL BUG IS GONE!!!

2014-09-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hello,

 

I read so many messages about this and wonder if I am the only person who 
doesn’t have this. I don’t recall ever having an issue with the Delete button 
not doing what it’s supposed to do after I touch it and double tap right from 
iOS 8 Beta 1 back in June. Last Sunday I downgraded to iOS 7.1.2 and then 
upgraded again to iOS 8 and my new installation of iOS 8 is still OK regarding 
this and I actually would say there are no changes, e.g. the new install didn’t 
fix anything but also didn’t break anything. Very strange.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ioana Gandrabur
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 8:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: THE EMAIL BUG IS GONE!!!

 

I use iPhone 5 with ios 8.02 and unfortunately still have this bug. 

Best workaround I found is to touch the move or reply button and then slide to 
the delete button and activate it. This appeers to-work reliably. 

 

Best,

Ioana

 

 

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 25, 2014, at 2:05 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca  wrote:

I guess this is one of these sometimes there and sometimes not there bugs. I 
read quite a few posts from people who say they have this issue, but it never 
has been a problem for me on my 5S and that was the case throughout the entire 
beta cycle with every beta version from Beta 1 to Beta 5 and the Goldmaster. I 
downgraded to iOS 7.1.2 from the Goldmaster on Sunday and back to iOS 8 public 
release (same built as Goldmaster) and I still can’t reproduce it.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Vece
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: THE EMAIL BUG IS GONE!!!

 

The bug that activates the reply screen when you hit the delete button.



Sent from my ATT iPhone 5s!


On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca  wrote:

What email bug is that?

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Vece
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: THE EMAIL BUG IS GONE!!!

 

Hi Everyone;

 

I am happy to report that the email bug is gone!

 

I am using the 16gb iPhone 5s on att.

 

Patience patience!

 

 

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Home: (856) 629-2045

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Susan's Cell: (856) 885-1731

 

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Re: Is there a better app than ColorSay to identify color?

2014-09-28 Thread Feliciano G
Thanks

  Regards, Feliciano



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 On Sep 27, 2014, at 6:34 PM, Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com wrote:
 
 My prefered app is CamFind. Even though it is not specifically for color 
 identification it often includes colors and patterns particularly for clothes 
 or flat objects.
 And, it is free.
 Richard
 
 
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 As the subject line states, is there a better application then ColorSay to 
 identify color? I would like to know names of color identification 
 applications that you have had great success with. Thanks
 
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KNFB Reader Translating Languages To English

2014-09-28 Thread Eileen Misrahi
Hello,

I was wondering if anyone who has purchased the KNFB Reader app and has scanned 
materials in another language and used the translation feature yet? There are 
times when I may only be able to find a book that is in a foreign language that 
I want to read  in English. I'm curious how well this works. One example that 
comes to mind is when I travel overseas and find items that I may want to 
purchase, but I have no idea what it is and the shop keepers are not able to 
speak English. This would be a nice addition when traveling abroard. 

Thanks.

Eileen


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RE: issues I have with the new update.

2014-09-28 Thread Vicky Collins
Yes, I can't get it to work on either my iPhone 4S or 6 Plus.  It 
just stays at zero percent and doesn't beep or anything.  Both 
devices are running iOS 8.0.2.


- Original Message -
From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 06:21:07 -0700
Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update.

Does anyone else have a problem with Light detector on IOS 8.02?  
It is
something that with as many family members some in the turn off 
and on
lights get all confused with my ceiling fans etc., I used 
regularly and

right now I can't get it to work.

Money reader does work.


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: issues I have with the new update.

Hello folks.  I usually don't post on
here much.  However, I am very displeased with Apple.  For a 
company that is

very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple.  I am extremely
disappointed.  I just might let them know this.  First, when a 
person dials a
number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick.  I don't know 
if this is
fixed in IOS 8.02 or not.  Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a 
lot.  Now my
key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over.  I can 
navigate on
the screen.  But not type or activate items.  On previous updates 
the issues
mentioned above didn't exist.  I took my iPhone to the Apple 
store and they
couldn't figure out the issue.  I am not mad at the technicians 
at the store..
I am upset with the developers of Apple.  They should know 
better.  Also
what's this crap of them updating the software and then having 
the cell
phone service not working.  If apple keeps this bull crap going 
on they will
lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple 
products.  I might
email apple and let them know this.  If Apple continues to do 
foolish things
like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid.  What 
a sad day

that would be.  What do you all think?
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RE: moving apps around in IOS 8?

2014-09-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Christopher,

When this was first brought up I tried to move an app in the bottom row and
it worked fine. Until then I have noticed that I can move some apps out of
the bottom row or to a different place in the bottom row, but othes I can't.
On my second home screen I have 4 folders in the bottom row and I can move
all of them around as much as I please. On my first home screen I can move 2
out of the 4 apps. It would be interesting to know if others experience this
inconsistent behavior as well, all you have to do is double tap and hold on
each app in the bottom row and just see if you get the moving... followed
by the app name announcement. If you just hear the triple tone and nothing
else it doesn't work, if you hear the triple tone followed by Moving and the
app name then you can let go and press the home key to get out of this mode
since it would work, but you don't actually have to move the app of course.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: moving apps around in IOS 8?

It works the same for me except for the bug where you're trying to move 
an app out of the bottom row, the row right above the dock. If you 
double tap and hold on an app in this row, you won't hear anything. 
Could this be what you're seeing? It's been discussed quite a bit on 
list in the last day or two. The trick is to move another app down into 
that row so the app you want to move moves up out of that row.

On 09/26/2014 09:16 PM, goshawk on horseback wrote:
 hello all,
 is anyone else having trouble moving apps around since upgrading to IOS 8?
 the normal double tap and hold doesn't seen to work now for me.
 Simon

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RE: App for Google Groups?

2014-09-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Joseph,

Are you sure it's not seven fries *smile*. I think when using SIRI one
really needs to check what it comes up with, could be really embarrassing if
you dictate a message to your boss and you say Getting this contract was
good luck and SIRI writes Getting this contract was good  followed by a
nasty four-letter word!
I always get a kick out of it when people write about their 4 ass when
really they have just one of them and what they mean is their 4S.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 5:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: App for Google Groups?

Hi, I'm afraid not. Although the rumor has a Google groups is getting better
and more accessible if you know group if you want to join just at the name
of the group with a +, and then the words six fries in the to field. And
that should work.
On Sep 27, 2014, at 6:15 PM, James Lee jameslee...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is there an accessible app that lets me brows Google groups more
efficiently?
 Thanks,
 
 JL
 
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RE: Removing a skype contact from the contact list

2014-09-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Jan,

 

That one I don't know, have you tried Block to see if that gets rid of it? I
don't have anybody who hasn't accepted so I can't try it out. I guess you
could always do it on the computer where I think you can Delete any contact
whether they accepted or not.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

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Of Jan Kleinhans
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Removing a skype contact from the contact list

 

Hi again

 

Okay, I followed your well-put suggestions for removing the contact in
skype, and it works, thanks.  But, I should have explained the situation a
bit better with a particular contact.  I've sent a contact request to
someone to join me on skype, and the person did not respond.  Now, if I want
to remove that particular contact, all I find in the more menu, is block,
resend the request, or cancel.  Now for the question: how do I remove this
particular contact?  There seems to be no delete button here, and no matter
what I do, I can not seem to remove this contact.  Any other contact where I
have had contact with the person can be removed, but not a contact where
there was no communication as yet.  What am I missing this time round?

 

Regards

 

Jan Kleinhans

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  

Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:43 AM

Subject: RE: Removing a skype contact from the contact list

 

Hi Jan,

 

Well, I would say you are missing the Remove button *smile*. Anyhow, here is
what you do:

 

1.   Find the contact you want to remove in your contact list and double
tap on it.

2.   When the contact opens, double tap on the contacts name again at
the top which will show you their profile

3.   Now at the bottom underneath the profile are 2 buttons, Add to
Favorites and More. Double tap on More.

4.   On the next screen you have only 3 choices: Block, Remove or
Cancel.

 

Regards,

Sieghard 

 

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Of Jan Kleinhans
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 9:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Removing a skype contact from the contact list

 

Hi

 

I should really know this, but somehow, I just don't find this.  I'm using
an iPhone 4S with the latest version of skype on it.  I have some skype
contacts which I want to remove, but can find no way of doing that.  What am
I obviously missing here?

 

Thanks for any help

 

Regards

 

Jan Kleinhans

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Re: KNFB reader rocks!

2014-09-28 Thread Vicky Collins
I've had good luck reading things with this app, even on my 4S, 
more luck than with any other app I have purchased, or with the 
KNFB Reader on the Nokia N 82, for that matter.  Oh, I'm not 
claiming that it is perfect by any means; but, for my purposes of 
sorting my mail and the like, I am able to get good enough 
results to get the job done to my satisfaction.


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From: Shirley listm...@eircom.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 14:01:39 +0100
Subject: Re: KNFB reader rocks!

Is it worth the money then? 99 dollars seems an awful lot of 
money to pay

for an ap.
But if it works, I wouldnt mind paying.
Shirley

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Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: KNFB reader rocks!


Hi all,
I am having lunch at my local sandwich shop.  They have a menu 
mounted on the

wall behind the cash register.
I took a picture of the menu...  Worked pretty well!



Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

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RE: New Skype On The iPhone

2014-09-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Christopher,

That is correct, but if you flick down to Accept and then double tap it
still is necessary to unlock the phone before the call is connected. I don't
know if this is the case for non Voiceover users, but it's too bad it
doesn't just connect the call from the lock screen.
Also, if I have a text message notification, flick to Delete and then double
tap it does not get deleted. If I unlock my phone after doing that and open
the Messages app that text message is still there.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Subject: Re: New Skype On The iPhone

You should be able to interact with the notification by flicking up or 
down with one finger on the action you wish to perform on the 
notification. So for example with Skype you may see actions such as 
accept for calls and reply for chats.


Sent from my laptop

On 23/09/2014 05:21, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
 Hey all. I was going through my updates today and I noticed a new Skype
update, version 5.5. This update has new and pretty neat features, including
answering calls and replying to messages in the lock screen and when banners
appear in iOS8. They tell you how to answer calls and that in the lock and
home screens as a sighted person, but has anyone figured out how to do the
same when Voiceover is on?

 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook


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Re: KNFB reader rocks!

2014-09-28 Thread Chuck Dean
Now that I bought an iPhone six, the KNFB  reader is even better! After taking 
a picture, the speech is almost instantaneous! This phone, with this app, is 
fantastic.

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RE: Alex voice, how is it?

2014-09-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
I find that to my ears he sounds muffled especially at higher speeds and I
find the original female high quality voice pronounces things more clearly.
But I have often noticed in discussions about TTS voices that there is great
subjectivity.

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Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Alex voice, how is it?

He's still the best, but listen closely to the way he says cool. That's a
very strange clicking sound of the c in cool. 

Sent from my iPad

 On Sep 28, 2014, at 1:40 AM, Christopher Hallsworth
challswor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 To my ears, Alex sounds great on both y iPad Mini and Macbook Pro running
Maverix.
 
 
 Sent from my laptop
 
 On 28/09/2014 06:31, Chuck Dean wrote:
 Hi all,
 For those of you who have downloaded the Alex voice, is it worth it? It
takes almost an entire gigabyte, which I have plenty of now, but I'm just
curious do you really like it better?
 Thanks,
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
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Re: eye phone trade in programs.

2014-09-28 Thread Denise Barajas
Hi, I myself will wait until November to upgrade my phone. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 26, 2014, at 20:49, Lori Dent loriand...@ohiohills.com wrote:
 
 HiMich,
 
 I also haven't updated my iPhone  too  ios8  yet either because of all the 
 bugs in ios8. I will also wait until all the bugs are fixed before updating 
 to ios 8.
 
 Now, I'm not eligible to to upgrade my iPhone 5 to either the iPhone 6 or 6 
 plus until January 2015. In January I will upgrade my Iphone 5 to a iPhone 6 
 or 6 plus but I haven't decided witch one I will upgrade to though. Take care.
 
 Lori and the Gipper 
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RE: sharing contact

2014-09-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Yes, in Messages it does not work, but you can still share via email.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Feliciano G
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 8:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: sharing contact

 

Its an ios8 bug. The same thing occurs when you try to share it with a page 
from the Safari browser to a contact  via   message.

  Regards, Feliciano

 

 

 

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On Sep 28, 2014, at 5:54 AM, Robert Doc Wright yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com 
mailto:yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com  wrote:

I tried sharing a contact and it doesn't send.  I went through the steps to 
send but when I double tapped the send button nothing happened.

If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning 
start?

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Re: KNFB reader rocks!

2014-09-28 Thread Raul A. Gallegos
Personally I think it is worth it. I was very skeptical because of the amount 
and because of the experience I've had with other OCR apps. However this one I 
think is especially geared with people in mind who may not understand exact 
photo taking processes. Plus it is very fast.

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 On Sep 28, 2014, at 8:01 AM, Shirley listm...@eircom.net wrote:
 
 Is it worth the money then? 99 dollars seems an awful lot of money to pay for 
 an ap.
 But if it works, I wouldnt mind paying.
 Shirley
 
 -Original Message- From: Chuck Dean
 Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:19 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: KNFB reader rocks!
 
 
 Hi all,
 I am having lunch at my local sandwich shop. They have a menu mounted on the 
 wall behind the cash register.
 I took a picture of the menu... Worked pretty well!
 
 
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
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Light detector doesn't work for me either

2014-09-28 Thread Anna Byrne

And it's on the screen beside Money Reader, which doesn't work either.  Rats!
At 08:21 AM 9/28/2014, you wrote:

Does anyone else have a problem with Light detector on IOS 8.02?  It is
something that with as many family members some in the turn off and on
lights get all confused with my ceiling fans etc., I used regularly and
right now I can't get it to work.

Money reader does work.


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Subject: issues I have with the new update.

Hello folks. I usually don't post on
here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is
very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely
disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a
number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is
fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my
key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate on
the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues
mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they
couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store.
I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also
what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell
phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will
lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might
email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things
like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid. What a sad day
that would be. What do you all think?
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RE: Notification center, anyone having this problem?

2014-09-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Tom,

 

As Jonathan pointed out, it used to say Clear Section and you double
tapped and then you got Confirm Clear Section and you had to double tap
again. Now it just says Confirm Clear Section and you double tap then make
sure you double tap again on the Confirm Clear Section for the same
notification of course and it should work. What I mean is that if you double
tap Confirm Clear Section for Messages and then you double tap a second time
but you are actually tapping on Confirm Clear Section for Mail then of
course it won't work.

 

For me at least a fast one-finger triple tap also works 100%, but double
tapping and double tapping again also works. Maybe others can try this and
post feedback to see if it seems to work for everybody or not.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 7:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Notification center, anyone having this problem?

 

Clear section.  I get the confirm clear section, but double tapping does not
work.  It was mentioned here to double tap again or tripple tap.  Still
nothing.  It was mentioned here It was a labelling problem, but I cannot
confirm clear section.  Using iPhone 5 S on IOS 80.10.2

 

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Re: THE EMAIL BUG IS GONE!!!

2014-09-28 Thread Larry Smith
Iam not having the email problem either. I didn't have it with my iPhone 5 and 
I'm not having the problem with my new iPhone 6 plus.
On Sep 28, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Hello,
  
 I read so many messages about this and wonder if I am the only person who 
 doesn't have this. I don't recall ever having an issue with the Delete button 
 not doing what it's supposed to do after I touch it and double tap right from 
 iOS 8 Beta 1 back in June. Last Sunday I downgraded to iOS 7.1.2 and then 
 upgraded again to iOS 8 and my new installation of iOS 8 is still OK 
 regarding this and I actually would say there are no changes, e.g. the new 
 install didn't fix anything but also didn't break anything. Very strange.
  
 Regards,
 Sieghard
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Ioana Gandrabur
 Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 8:22 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: THE EMAIL BUG IS GONE!!!
  
 I use iPhone 5 with ios 8.02 and unfortunately still have this bug. 
 Best workaround I found is to touch the move or reply button and then slide 
 to the delete button and activate it. This appeers to-work reliably. 
  
 Best,
 Ioana
  
 
  
  
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 25, 2014, at 2:05 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 I guess this is one of these sometimes there and sometimes not there bugs. I 
 read quite a few posts from people who say they have this issue, but it never 
 has been a problem for me on my 5S and that was the case throughout the 
 entire beta cycle with every beta version from Beta 1 to Beta 5 and the 
 Goldmaster. I downgraded to iOS 7.1.2 from the Goldmaster on Sunday and back 
 to iOS 8 public release (same built as Goldmaster) and I still can't 
 reproduce it.
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 OfAnthony Vece
 Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:12 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: THE EMAIL BUG IS GONE!!!
  
 The bug that activates the reply screen when you hit the delete button.
 
 
 Sent from my ATT iPhone 5s!
 
 On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 What email bug is that?
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Anthony Vece
 Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:28 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: THE EMAIL BUG IS GONE!!!
  
 Hi Everyone;
  
 I am happy to report that the email bug is gone!
  
 I am using the 16gb iPhone 5s on att.
  
 Patience patience!
  
  
 Susan  Anthony Vece
 800 N. Main St.
 Apt. C-11
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 Home: (856) 629-2045
 Anthony's Cell: (856) 885-1730
 Susan's Cell: (856) 885-1731
  
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RE: Ios8 02 with keyboard

2014-09-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
There is no fix, at least not one that makes it so it was like before.
People have reported that installing a second virtual keyboard and switching
to it using the touch screen then switching back to the US English keyboard
helps. If you don't have a second keyboard installed, go to Settings,
General, Keyboard then tap on Add and select something like the Emoji
keyboard.
Now go to any edit field, at the bottom next to the More Numbers you will
have a button where you can toggle back and forth between the English
keyboard and Emoji keyboard. Do that at least once, e.g. switch to Emoji,
then back to English.

Now try your bluetooth keyboard and hopefully it will work. Remember that
you are in an Edit field and want to type text you have to turn Quick Nav
off otherwise it won't work.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Subject: Re: Ios8 02 with keyboard

Good advice Jen. But I can't even use space with the command and options to
activate something. It is really earitating conserding I use the key board
for a lot of things. The people at the Apple store don't even know how to
fix it.

On 9/28/14, Jennie Facer jennie.fa...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 There is a bug in iOS 8 that everyone has been talking about. It is 
 all over the archives of this list. The best thing to do is to always 
 have Quick Nav off when typing no matter where you are. You may also 
 not get your feedback the way you are used to in some apps. I have 
 mine on characters for hardware keyboards, but it only speaks the words
after I type them.

 You can also try going into settings, general, keyboards, then add a 
 keyboard even if you don't use it for a while. You can delete it in a 
 moment. Now go into the notes app and compose a note.
 Now make sure quick Nav is off and press command plus spacebar to move 
 throughout the two keyboards you have onscreen. I have added the eMojy 
 keyboard and the normal Apple onscreen keyboard, and I just switch 
 between them a few times, and then the keyboard should work with Quick Nav
off.

 I hope this helps you a little bit. Great luck! I am using my Logitech 
 keyboard right now and I have an iPhone 5 and an iPad mini with retina 
 and they all do the same thing.

 Thank you so much!

 Jenn

   TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMENE
YOU ARE THE WORLD!

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 hi all: am using a bluetooth keyboard from microsoft with my iphone 
 but after installing ios8 i got very strange issues  like saying the 
 letter 2 times and say 2 instead of the letter i. tell me ow can i fix
this issue.
 tu Ramy moustafa saber
 Musicc instructor at:
 faculty of musical education
 music arranger and sound engineer
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RE: Phone refuses to load.

2014-09-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Del,

How long has it been where it is showing the Apple?

Also, did you do a few preparations before installing? Here are the steps
you should always perform:

1. Make sure all your apps are updated.
2. Bring up the app switcher with a double press of the home key and close
all apps.
3. Connect to iTunes and, if you sync media and/or apps, do a Transfer All
Purchases and a Sync, then do a backup. If you don't usually connect to
iTunes to sync music or apps, at least do an iCloud backup.
4. As a minimum, power down your phone completely, wait 30 seconds and
restart it. Possibly even better is to go to Settings, General, Reset and
tap on Reset All Network Settings. This will tell you that all your
network settings will be set to factory default, you have to confirm and
then this will be done and the phone will reboot. Keep in mind that doing
this will require you to reconnect to your WiFi network and you will have to
make sure you know the password to do so.
5. Now go to Settings, General, Software update and update iOS.

As Jonathan pointed out, if your 4S is really stuck and hasn't come back
after a couple of hours, then connecting your iPhone to a computer with
iTunes is the only way to fix it.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 4:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Phone refuses to load.

Hi Mama,

Thanks for your response.

Well it seems it wasn't such a good idea!, as phone is totally useless right

now.

My wife has the same phone and has installed the update and has no problems.

so guess its just down to my bad luck or something!.

Best regards,

Del

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 1:36 AM
Subject: Re: Phone refuses to load.


I have heard several people say not to update a 4S and others have said it's
okay to, so I am not sure if it was a good idea or not for you to update it.
They say the processor of the 4S is not fast enough to run IOS 8.

-Original Message- 
From: Bluesman02
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 4:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Phone refuses to load.

Hi all,

I tried to update to  IOs8 this evening, and it seemed all was going well.
until such times the phone needed to switch off and reboot to install the
software update.

Since then, I can't get the phone to load anything at all.

the only thing it will do is show the Apple as it usually does before
voiceover and such loads.

So question is: has anyone any idea as to what could be causing this
problem. and any suggestions on how to remedy the situation.

Just for your reference I'm using an I phone 4 S.

Best regards,

Del


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Re: Alex voice, how is it?

2014-09-28 Thread Steve Vandecar
Hello,

I downloaded Alex on my IPhone 6 and I prefer the female voice.  It is just 
muffled and harder to understand and I normally prefer male voices.

Steve

 On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 I find that to my ears he sounds muffled especially at higher speeds and I
 find the original female high quality voice pronounces things more clearly.
 But I have often noticed in discussions about TTS voices that there is great
 subjectivity.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Devin
 Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:46 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Alex voice, how is it?
 
 He's still the best, but listen closely to the way he says cool. That's a
 very strange clicking sound of the c in cool. 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Sep 28, 2014, at 1:40 AM, Christopher Hallsworth
 challswor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 To my ears, Alex sounds great on both y iPad Mini and Macbook Pro running
 Maverix.
 
 
 Sent from my laptop
 
 On 28/09/2014 06:31, Chuck Dean wrote:
 Hi all,
 For those of you who have downloaded the Alex voice, is it worth it? It
 takes almost an entire gigabyte, which I have plenty of now, but I'm just
 curious do you really like it better?
 Thanks,
 
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RE: issues I have with the new update.

2014-09-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Kevin,

I agree with Gary, send your bug reports to Apple, email them, call them, do
both, the more the marrier.
The email address for Apple accessibility is very easy, it's
accessibil...@apple.com. The phone number for the Apple Accessibility
Department is 1-877-204-3930.
As you said, remember that just as the people at the Apple Store, the people
at the accessibility department who answer the phones are not the ones who
are in charge. While it's important to let them know that you feel iOS 8 is
a very disappointing release with lots of bugs, it's also important to be
courteous and not rude.

As for switching to an Android phone, well, what can I say, you might love
it or you might regret it even more than upgrading to iOS 8. But if you
think the tapping is greener on the other side of the iOS fence then you are
probably mistaken since I'm sure Android has its own issues.

Oh yes, by the way, there were lots of warnings out there regarding
upgrading especially if you use a bluetooth keyboard a lot and I posted
several times about the number sticking bug when you dial a phone number
saying that if you use your iPhone a lot to make phone calls where you dial
the numbers rather than using your contact list then it might be much better
not to upgrade until these bugs are fixed.
I totally agree that Apple hasn't exactly impressed with the iOS 8 update,
but it's everybody's responsibility to gather the facts before upgrading and
the facts about all these major bugs were out there and easy to find and
read about. In addition to that you could have downgraded until at least 8
days after the upgrade and I posted how to do so last Sunday and repeated
twice since then as to how you can find that post. Once you downloaded the
iOS 7.1.2 file downgrading via iTunes takes less than 15 minutes. But Apple
stopped signing the firmware I think on Thursday so it's too late now.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 2:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: issues I have with the new update.

I think it's time to stop with the I might and get to it.  I have already 
called with one problem myself and will call with others when I encounter 
them.  Think of this as your help in Apple's therapy.  grin

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 1:03 AM
Subject: issues I have with the new update.


Hello folks. I usually don't post on
here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company
that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am
extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a
person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I
don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue
tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items
with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or
activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't
exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure
out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am
upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also
what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the
cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on
they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple
products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple
continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will
switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all
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Re: Alex voice, how is it?

2014-09-28 Thread Chuck Dean
I agree with you, I like the female voice better. It sounds like freedom, 
dating back to when I got my first iPhone 3GS.

But I will keep the Alex voice, so that if I'm listening to a book that's 
narrated by a man, I can use his boys for more realism.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 On Sep 28, 2014, at 10:35 AM, Steve Vandecar steve.vande...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 I downloaded Alex on my IPhone 6 and I prefer the female voice.  It is just 
 muffled and harder to understand and I normally prefer male voices.
 
 Steve
 
 On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 I find that to my ears he sounds muffled especially at higher speeds and I
 find the original female high quality voice pronounces things more clearly.
 But I have often noticed in discussions about TTS voices that there is great
 subjectivity.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Devin
 Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:46 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Alex voice, how is it?
 
 He's still the best, but listen closely to the way he says cool. That's a
 very strange clicking sound of the c in cool. 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Sep 28, 2014, at 1:40 AM, Christopher Hallsworth
 challswor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 To my ears, Alex sounds great on both y iPad Mini and Macbook Pro running
 Maverix.
 
 
 Sent from my laptop
 
 On 28/09/2014 06:31, Chuck Dean wrote:
 Hi all,
 For those of you who have downloaded the Alex voice, is it worth it? It
 takes almost an entire gigabyte, which I have plenty of now, but I'm just
 curious do you really like it better?
 Thanks,
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
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RE: Light detector doesn't work for me either

2014-09-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Both Money Reader and Light Detector work, maybe it's just that they are not
allowed to use the Camera and of course they have to use the camera in order
to work. Go to Settings, Privacy and Camera, then check if they are allowed
to u se the camera.


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Of Anna Byrne
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 10:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Light detector doesn't work for me either

And it's on the screen beside Money Reader, which doesn't work either.
Rats!
At 08:21 AM 9/28/2014, you wrote:
Does anyone else have a problem with Light detector on IOS 8.02?  It is
something that with as many family members some in the turn off and on
lights get all confused with my ceiling fans etc., I used regularly and
right now I can't get it to work.

Money reader does work.


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Subject: issues I have with the new update.

Hello folks. I usually don't post on
here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is
very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely
disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a
number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is
fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now
my
key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate
on
the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues
mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they
couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the
store.
I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also
what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell
phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will
lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might
email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things
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What happened to the native weather app?

2014-09-28 Thread Chuck Dean
Hi everyone,
On my iPhone six, the weather app no longer works as it did on my iPhone 4s. I 
used to be able to double tap on the screen when my city was up, and it would 
give me humidity and wind report. But that no longer works. Does anybody know 
how to fix this?

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

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Re: What happened to the native weather app?

2014-09-28 Thread Holly Anderson
Hi chuck, the info you want is still there, scroll down past the daily 
forecasts and it is at the bottom.  This confused me at first as well, as I 
really liked having access to that information.
HTH
Holly
 On Sep 28, 2014, at 12:51 PM, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 On my iPhone six, the weather app no longer works as it did on my iPhone 4s. 
 I used to be able to double tap on the screen when my city was up, and it 
 would give me humidity and wind report. But that no longer works. Does 
 anybody know how to fix this?
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
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Re: Dots 1 and 2 reversed in Tabletop Mode?

2014-09-28 Thread Cheryl Homiak
Okay, but if you thoroughly read this thread you will know that this is not 
true for everybody. Some people are having dot reversals. Other people are able 
to get the dots straight across and not at an angle. Mileage is definitely 
varying.

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I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
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Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Sep 28, 2014, at 4:38 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:

 ,When in table top mode, the keys are at an angle. I am writing this message 
 in table top mode. dot 3 is in the left back corner. Dot 6 is in the right 
 back corner. Dot 1 is across the left front from the left edge of the screen 
 to the midpoint. Dot 4 is from the right edge to the midpoint connecting with 
 dot 1. Dots 2 and 5 go from the back adge of dots 1 and 4 to the sides, and 
 on the back edge between dots 3 and 6. In other wordss, the front edge is 
 dots 1 4 when tracking from left to right. The back edge is dots 3 2 5 6 from 
 left to right. Across the middle of the screen from leht to right is dots 2 
 and 5.
 
 The braille input works quite well once one gets used to it. I am brailling 
 almost as fast on my iphone as I do on my braille dispaly keyboard.
 
 One final note: I am finding that right swiping for space must be a little 
 more of a movement or it is registered as a dot press. I find space easier in 
 away mode rather than tabletop mode.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 28 Sep 2014, at 06:43, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I've used the explore mode already, and it showed exactly what I already 
 knew: the dots are reversed. The dot closest to the lower edge of the phone 
 on the right is dot 4, as it should be, and immediately next to that is... 
 dot 2. Just above and to the right of dot 4 is dot 5, right where I'd expect 
 it to be. Above and just left of the (misplaced) dot 2 is... dot 1. Dot 3 is 
 across from dot 6, just where it should be. I am comfortable with the shape 
 of the keyboard, but the fact remains that dots 1 and 2 are swapped somehow. 
 I used to see this if I calibrated in Tabletop mode, but now I see it all 
 the time in that mode, whether or not I calibrate.
 On Sep 27, 2014, at 4:37 PM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 First off, this is such good advice, I went to try it, even though I don't 
 have the problem.  I still think it's clever how they arranged this,  and 
 also see how it gets confusing.
 
 So, I'm going to repeat something I said,  and paraphrased someone who put 
 it more verbosely, though still concise and right.
 
 Tip the face of the phone towards you first, then put it down into table 
 mode, and the dots are then in the right order.
 
 It's a pity we couldn't get a sighted description of the shape of the 
 buttons at this point, the 6 areas cover pretty well the entire screen 
 except for a gutter between, to separate them.
 This V layout business is necessary to get so many fingers on a phone 
 screen at once, so pretty sure they don't all line up along a long edge, 
 though that would be good on an iPad, along a short edge even.
 
 If you don't try too hard to twist the wrists to line up the hands with the 
 phone, they will fall into the V shape and line up with the buttons quite 
 naturally. I suppose the effort is trying not to think of the V shape, but 
 just fingers on dot keys;  and just do it.  Those with the greatest 
 success, 
 have done just that.
 
 RobH.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:41 PM
 Subject: Re: Dots 1 and 2 reversed in Tabletop Mode?
 
 
 Hi,
 
 Tabletop mode requires your fingers to be in kind of a V shape, so try 
 positioning them that way. Also, you can hold one finger on the screen to 
 start an exploring mode. It will stay in this mode as long as you leave at 
 least one finger on screen. Try that so you can find the dots. My guess is 
 that they aren't really reversed, but they seem to be because the dots 
 aren't quite where you expect them to be.
 
 Best,
 Anna
 
 
 
 On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:32 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I asked this in the midst of another thread, but I figured it got buried. 
 That, or I'm just the lucky guy this happens to, and no one else has the 
 problem.
 
 In tabletop mode in iOS8'd braille screen input, dots 1 and 2 seem to 
 always be reversed. My index finger falls on dot 2, my middle on dot 1, 
 and the rest of the cell is normal. Has anyone else seen this? It happens 
 whether or not I calibrate, and I can't think 

Re: the 16 or the 64G?

2014-09-28 Thread Brent Harding
I think it used to be $199, $299, and $399 on contract in the states for the 
3 storage options. That $50 a month plan with Sprint looks worth jumping 
back in and getting the 64 gig iPhone 6. The big question is whether to do 
easy pay, or to do their rental thing for iPhone for Life.


- Original Message - 
From: Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: the 16 or the 64G?


I think its an overall trend with smartphones. There are lots of
success Androy phone model, no longer give you te option of 32gb. They
either give you the 16gb or 64gb (discount Samsung).

As far as why it is the case, i'm not sure. I thought it will make
more sense for apple to have 32gb, 64gb and 128gb. But who knows what
behind the brain of it. Maybe, we Apple might want to retain the 32gb
soully for iPads.

On 27/09/2014, Ben Mustill-Rose b...@benmr.com wrote:

Hi,

One thing that nobody has mentioned so far is that in the UK at least,
the price for the 64GB 6 is the same as the 32GB 5S when it was
released. I was a bit annoyed about having to go for the 64GB 6 at
first, but when I found out that its price was inline with the
previous 32GB price it didn't seem as bad. Personally I'd rather Apple
introduced a cheaper 32GB model instead of simply dropping that
capacity, but with the 6 pricing, your actually getting more storage
for your money than you were before.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 9/26/14, Pete Nalda lpna...@gmail.com wrote:

Please get the 64gb!  16 is just too small!  I could kick myself for not
saving up for the 64 gig model. So when I get my 6 plus, it'll be at
least
64GB.  YMMV.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda


On Sep 26, 2014, at 4:47 PM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:

I'd rather have too much space than not enough.  If you can afford it,
go
for as much as you can get for the money.

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- Original Message -
From: Pam Berman
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 3:39 PM
Subject: the 16 or the 64G?

I'm convinced that I should upgrade my IPhone 4S to the 6 but should I
go
with the 16 or 64G? I've always had 16G in the past  haven't had any
problems at all, but going forward I'm not sure what is best.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Warmly,
Pam

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Re: Notification center, anyone having this problem?

2014-09-28 Thread Robin Frost
Hi,
I agree the fast triple tap with one finger is much more consistent here on my 
iPhone 5s running 8.0.2.
thanks for teaching me that gesture.  I’m not sure if that was an intentional 
thing on their end but I do kind of like it (smile).

Robin

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Notification center, anyone having this problem?

Hi Tom,

 

As Jonathan pointed out, it used to say “Clear Section” and you double tapped 
and then you got “Confirm Clear Section” and you had to double tap again. Now 
it just says “Confirm Clear Section” and you double tap then make sure you 
double tap again on the Confirm Clear Section for the same notification of 
course and it should work. What I mean is that if you double tap Confirm Clear 
Section for Messages and then you double tap a second time but you are actually 
tapping on Confirm Clear Section for Mail then of course it won’t work.

 

For me at least a fast one-finger triple tap also works 100%, but double 
tapping and double tapping again also works. Maybe others can try this and post 
feedback to see if it seems to work for everybody or not.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 7:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Notification center, anyone having this problem?

 

Clear section.  I get the confirm clear section, but double tapping does not 
work.  It was mentioned here to double tap again or tripple tap.  Still 
nothing.  It was mentioned here It was a labelling problem, but I cannot 
confirm clear section.  Using iPhone 5 S on IOS 80.10.2

 





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Re: iOS 7.2 worth downloading!

2014-09-28 Thread Brent Harding
It's 8.0.2. I think I'm not going to on the old 4S but if I end up taking 
Sprint's offer to go for the 6, I will have to use iOS 8, and that upgrade 
might fix some of the bugs it has. I would guess that when Apple is ready to 
enable Apple Pay some time in October, other bug fixes might come for the 
ride with it.


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Subject: Re: iOS 7.2 worth downloading!


8.2 doesn't exist, yet.

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Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 8:37 PM
Subject: iOS 7.2 worth downloading!


Hi! Folks: I am wondering with all the chatter on the list, is iOS 8.2 worth
the download. I know that we have had a lot of trouble with 8.1 I'm
wondering if the same problems exist in 8.2. Can someone please let me know.
Thank you in advance.

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NFL mobile strikes again!

2014-09-28 Thread Cheryl Homiak
This morning I realized that NFL Mobile had disappeared from my iPhone 6 or was 
never there; haven't looked at my 5S. So I downloaded and opened it and got the 
screen from Verizon and then their text message. But it absolutely will not 
send and if I hit cancel I just end up going through the dialong again and the 
message comes up again. I went into Messages and sent a message out to a friend 
to make sure there wasn't something wrong on my end; it sent out fine. With 
this Verizon message, the send button never dims; it never changes or says 
sending; it just sits there. I am so fed up with this app at the moment! I 
have tried twice this year to communicate with Support about this and the 
replies I got both times were not really relevant at all to the issues I 
stated; it was if they had a set of prepared scripts or lines to choose from 
because they did not really interact with my information which was very 
thoroughly stated. I do have NFL Now on my iphone for better or for worse but 
right now NFL Mobile is not functioning because I can't get the text message to 
Verizon to send. . I even deleted it and tried downloading the app again with 
the same results.

This gets stranger! NFL Mobile is still on my 5S and appears to be fine. I have 
no idea why this app didn't sync to my 6+. As far as I can tell it's the only 
app that didn't.

-- 
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I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
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Re: Notification center, anyone having this problem?

2014-09-28 Thread Vicky Collins
Yes, thanks, it works for me as well.  How did you know to use 
the one finger triple tap?


- Original Message -
From: Robin Frost robinn...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 14:18:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Notification center, anyone having this problem?

Hi,
I agree the fast triple tap with one finger is much more 
consistent here on my iPhone 5s running 8.0.2.
thanks for teaching me that gesture.  I'm not sure if that was 
an intentional thing on their end but I do kind of like it 
(smile).


Robin

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Notification center, anyone having this problem?

Hi Tom,



As Jonathan pointed out, it used to say Clear Section and you 
double tapped and then you got Confirm Clear Section and you 
had to double tap again.  Now it just says Confirm Clear 
Section and you double tap then make sure you double tap again 
on the Confirm Clear Section for the same notification of course 
and it should work.  What I mean is that if you double tap 
Confirm Clear Section for Messages and then you double tap a 
second time but you are actually tapping on Confirm Clear Section 
for Mail then of course it won't work.




For me at least a fast one-finger triple tap also works 100%, but 
double tapping and double tapping again also works.  Maybe others 
can try this and post feedback to see if it seems to work for 
everybody or not.




Regards,

Sieghard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tom Rash

Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 7:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Notification center, anyone having this problem?



Clear section.  I get the confirm clear section, but double 
tapping does not work.  It was mentioned here to double tap again 
or tripple tap.  Still nothing.  It was mentioned here It was a 
labelling problem, but I cannot confirm clear section.  Using 
iPhone 5 S on IOS 80.10.2





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RE: Light detector doesn't work for me either

2014-09-28 Thread Vicky Collins
Money Reader is fine for me, but Light Detector is not.  Thanks 
for the suggestion, but it was already allowed to use the camera.  
And, when I turned
off allowing Light Detector to use the camera and then opened 
that app again, it just closed, even when I tried with a restart 
of the phone.

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Date sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:49:56 -0700
Subject: RE: Light detector doesn't work for me either

Both Money Reader and Light Detector work, maybe it's just that 
they are not
allowed to use the Camera and of course they have to use the 
camera in order
to work.  Go to Settings, Privacy and Camera, then check if they 
are allowed

to u se the camera.


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Of Anna Byrne
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 10:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Light detector doesn't work for me either

And it's on the screen beside Money Reader, which doesn't work 
either.

Rats!
At 08:21 AM 9/28/2014, you wrote:
Does anyone else have a problem with Light detector on IOS 8.02?  
It is
something that with as many family members some in the turn off 
and on
lights get all confused with my ceiling fans etc., I used 
regularly and

right now I can't get it to work.

Money reader does work.


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Subject: issues I have with the new update.

Hello folks.  I usually don't post on
here much.  However, I am very displeased with Apple.  For a 
company that is

very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple.  I am extremely
disappointed.  I just might let them know this.  First, when a 
person dials a
number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick.  I don't know 
if this is
fixed in IOS 8.02 or not.  Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a 
lot.  Now

my
key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over.  I can 
navigate

on
the screen.  But not type or activate items.  On previous updates 
the issues
mentioned above didn't exist.  I took my iPhone to the Apple 
store and they
couldn't figure out the issue.  I am not mad at the technicians 
at the

store.
I am upset with the developers of Apple.  They should know 
better.  Also
what's this crap of them updating the software and then having 
the cell
phone service not working.  If apple keeps this bull crap going 
on they will
lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple 
products.  I might
email apple and let them know this.  If Apple continues to do 
foolish things
like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid.  What 
a sad day

that would be.  What do you all think?
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RE: issues I have with the new update.

2014-09-28 Thread Anna Byrne

Also Omoby doesn't work.  But Tap Tap See does.

Go figure!


Does anyone else have a problem with Light detector on IOS 8.02?  It is
something that with as many family members some in the turn off and on
lights get all confused with my ceiling fans etc., I used regularly and
right now I can't get it to work.

Money reader does work.


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Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: issues I have with the new update.

Hello folks. I usually don't post on
here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is
very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely
disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a
number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is
fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my
key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate on
the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues
mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they
couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store.
I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also
what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell
phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will
lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might
email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things
like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid. What a sad day
that would be. What do you all think?
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Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-28 Thread Brent Harding
I think if one had access to his old email account, you could reset his 
Apple ID and be able to wipe it from iCloud, unless he used questions you 
don't have answers to.


- Original Message - 
From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First 
Impressions



LOL, isn't it fun?  Not!.  I can do well from my computer, typing on the 6
since it is larger is a bit of a challenge but doing so on the IPad is
really the challenge, I keep hiding the keyboard when I want to hit the
return key which does not help me at all.  Since the storm last  night kept
me up, I tried to set up keychain on the iPad, got stuck then finally got
the less with the code, but I am and always have been terrible at numbers,
so I had to work at it six times before I managed to remember the number and
get it input correctly.

I can't figure out the fingerprint thing at all it seems and when I called
my cell a while ago the iPad did not allow me to answer but I did not see a
choice for that under the Handoff settings.  Since I am upset about my
cousin and a bit angry with her too, did not sleep last night for more than
half an hour before thunder cracked right over my bed, or it sounded like it
anyway I could be missing things.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Chuck Dean
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First
Impressions

Hi rose,
If you go to the BARD main page there is a previously downloaded link where
you can find past books and add them to your wish list.
I just got a iPhone 6from the apple store in Chandler. I've been entering
and changing passwords for the last three hours.


Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.


On Sep 26, 2014, at 9:02 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:

Well, I went for it big time.  When I got to Verizon they had one iPhone 6

left, 128 GB which was above what I need but it was the same price as the 64
and while I was there since I changed to the Edge plan (next year I have
another new phone) plus well it just sounded okay with me.  Then I was
offered a case, I went with Otterbox, of course, And some other device, one
was Bose Bluetooth speakers.  In addition the man told us the android
tablets were free because I bought a new iPhone, so my cousin who has wanted
one for a while got it set up for her.  I came home, had a difficult time
finding the place to plug in the lightning cable first I knew it was on the
bottom and figured the case was covering it, I found that but then I have
never been particularly good with the cable on my iPad so.  Finally got
iTunes up restored all my apps.


Sadly I lost all my Bard books and I don't always remember what I had

planned to read.  I see access to my iBook's is still there but Read2go is
empty and I have not looked at Audible just yet.


Then, because I had to give my apple Password at Verizon I decided to

change it.  Finally got there and I can't tell you how many times it told me
it was either not strong, did not a capital letter or that they did not
match.  I know it is security but it is a true drag if I have no clue what
it is.


My 4s went for trade, but my late Husband's 5 they would not take because

it had not been wiped and I tried the passwords he often used but I can't
get into his phone, have no clue what he was using, probably something to
keep me out, only because I put a Diabetes app on his phone (at his request
no less) when he was sleeping.  The upshot is it is a brick to me, they
can't turn off the find my iPhone without being able to access his account
and based on the trouble I had this evening with my own password, I can't
imagine how to fix it so I can take it back to them.  I suppose I could use
his apple ID.  Say I forgot the password and change it provided I can think
of one they will accept that it, something I can remember and not a jumbo.


I need someone to help me get it on my WIFI, had to change its password

when I had to exchange the CenturyLink box last April and no one stayed
around long enough to read it so I could get it in braille and my scanning
ability is limited, KNFB you really may have to cooperate and help me out
here.


Now I am off to reread Jonathan's book again.

Oh, my cousin put my speaker on something and I can't find it, and she

can't find her android tablet, and I looked all the places she was and I
can't find it either, but then, I am not the best at finding lost items any
longer, I can hold it in my  and it would seem lost to me.  Can't turn the
speakers on because they have to be on for the phone to sync up to them.


Man I miss Tom, sick or not his eyes worked to help me out occasionally.

I miss him for other reasons also.

I found the speaker but I don't see her tablet 

RE: the 16 or the 64G?

2014-09-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Plans like ATT Next and whatever they are called from other carriers are
rip-offs and they are simply designed to lock people in to getting a new
phone every year and, of course, paying the premium price for it. 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brent Harding
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 11:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: the 16 or the 64G?

I think it used to be $199, $299, and $399 on contract in the states for the

3 storage options. That $50 a month plan with Sprint looks worth jumping 
back in and getting the 64 gig iPhone 6. The big question is whether to do 
easy pay, or to do their rental thing for iPhone for Life.

- Original Message - 
From: Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: the 16 or the 64G?


I think its an overall trend with smartphones. There are lots of
success Androy phone model, no longer give you te option of 32gb. They
either give you the 16gb or 64gb (discount Samsung).

As far as why it is the case, i'm not sure. I thought it will make
more sense for apple to have 32gb, 64gb and 128gb. But who knows what
behind the brain of it. Maybe, we Apple might want to retain the 32gb
soully for iPads.

On 27/09/2014, Ben Mustill-Rose b...@benmr.com wrote:
 Hi,

 One thing that nobody has mentioned so far is that in the UK at least,
 the price for the 64GB 6 is the same as the 32GB 5S when it was
 released. I was a bit annoyed about having to go for the 64GB 6 at
 first, but when I found out that its price was inline with the
 previous 32GB price it didn't seem as bad. Personally I'd rather Apple
 introduced a cheaper 32GB model instead of simply dropping that
 capacity, but with the 6 pricing, your actually getting more storage
 for your money than you were before.

 Cheers,
 Ben.

 On 9/26/14, Pete Nalda lpna...@gmail.com wrote:
 Please get the 64gb!  16 is just too small!  I could kick myself for not
 saving up for the 64 gig model. So when I get my 6 plus, it'll be at
 least
 64GB.  YMMV.

 Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
 Louie P (Pete) Nalda
 MySpace.com/musikonalda
 Facebook.com/lpnalda
 Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
 Twitter: @lpnalda

 On Sep 26, 2014, at 4:47 PM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:

 I'd rather have too much space than not enough.  If you can afford it,
 go
 for as much as you can get for the money.

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 - Original Message -
 From: Pam Berman
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 3:39 PM
 Subject: the 16 or the 64G?

 I'm convinced that I should upgrade my IPhone 4S to the 6 but should I
 go
 with the 16 or 64G? I've always had 16G in the past  haven't had any
 problems at all, but going forward I'm not sure what is best.
 I look forward to hearing from you.
 Warmly,
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Re: Notification center, anyone having this problem?

2014-09-28 Thread Victor Hugo Gallegos
You can now swipe down with one finger to delete  your notifications, just like 
you can with  email, and text messages.

Sent from my iPhone

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 Clear section.  I get the confirm clear section, but double tapping does not 
 work.  It was mentioned here to double tap again or tripple tap.  Still 
 nothing.  It was mentioned here It was a labelling problem, but I cannot 
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RE: Light detector doesn't work for me either

2014-09-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
I think this might just be another bug in iOS 8. I read that this one also
affects sighted users and it seems that some apps just randomly can't access
the camera even though they are allowed to. The good news is that if this is
not isolated to Voiceover then a fix will probably be more likely to come
sooner rather than later.
I would try the following:

1. Turn off Camera in Privacy for Light Detector, then delete the app.
2. Throw everything out of the app switcher and reboot your phone, i.e. turn
it off completely, wait 30 seconds and turn it on again.
3. Download the app again from the App Store and hopefully when you open it
the first time you will be prompted to allow the app to use the camera and
it will then work.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Vicky Collins
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 11:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Light detector doesn't work for me either

Money Reader is fine for me, but Light Detector is not.  Thanks 
for the suggestion, but it was already allowed to use the camera.  
And, when I turned
off allowing Light Detector to use the camera and then opened 
that app again, it just closed, even when I tried with a restart 
of the phone.
 - Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:49:56 -0700
Subject: RE: Light detector doesn't work for me either

Both Money Reader and Light Detector work, maybe it's just that 
they are not
allowed to use the Camera and of course they have to use the 
camera in order
to work.  Go to Settings, Privacy and Camera, then check if they 
are allowed
to u se the camera.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf
Of Anna Byrne
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 10:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Light detector doesn't work for me either

And it's on the screen beside Money Reader, which doesn't work 
either.
Rats!
At 08:21 AM 9/28/2014, you wrote:
Does anyone else have a problem with Light detector on IOS 8.02?  
It is
something that with as many family members some in the turn off 
and on
lights get all confused with my ceiling fans etc., I used 
regularly and
right now I can't get it to work.

Money reader does work.


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Subject: issues I have with the new update.

Hello folks.  I usually don't post on
here much.  However, I am very displeased with Apple.  For a 
company that is
very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple.  I am extremely
disappointed.  I just might let them know this.  First, when a 
person dials a
number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick.  I don't know 
if this is
fixed in IOS 8.02 or not.  Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a 
lot.  Now
my
key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over.  I can 
navigate
on
the screen.  But not type or activate items.  On previous updates 
the issues
mentioned above didn't exist.  I took my iPhone to the Apple 
store and they
couldn't figure out the issue.  I am not mad at the technicians 
at the
store.
I am upset with the developers of Apple.  They should know 
better.  Also
what's this crap of them updating the software and then having 
the cell
phone service not working.  If apple keeps this bull crap going 
on they will
lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple 
products.  I might
email apple and let them know this.  If Apple continues to do 
foolish things
like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid.  What 
a sad day
that would be.  What do you all think?
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Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

2014-09-28 Thread RobH.
I tried it both ways and it worked.  But I hadn't had the dots all mixed up.
- Original Message - 
From: Tom Rash dadnthed...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out


When going into table top mode, does it matter if the home button is on the
right or the left, or is it nonspecific?

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Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:15 AM
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Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out

Just place your device on a flat surface. I use my knee. It will switch
automatically to tabletop mode. It works like the perkins.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu

On 26/09/2014 22:24, Jerry Mader wrote:
 How do you type in table top mode. How do you switch it to table top
 mode once you activate the braille screen input?
 And how do you keep it from switching to away mode?
 Thanks.
 Jerry Mader

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 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak
 Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 3:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Braille Input: What Helped me Figure it out


 Well, I would say that for me away mode is more like the feel of using
 a slate and stylus and the tabletop mode is more like a Perkins
 brailler would feel. I happen to be better at tabletop because it
 gives my fingers the feeling that they are typing on a Perkins
 brailler or my Braille Edge. But it's nice that there is more than one way
to do it.


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Re: the 16 or the 64G?

2014-09-28 Thread Lois Butterfield
With the next plan from ATT, you don't have to keep getting a new phone. 
Once you have paid for your phone, your bill goes back to normal.  That is 
what I was told anyway, and is the reason I went with that plan for this 
phone.


Take care,
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-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 3:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: the 16 or the 64G?

Plans like ATT Next and whatever they are called from other carriers are
rip-offs and they are simply designed to lock people in to getting a new
phone every year and, of course, paying the premium price for it.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brent Harding
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 11:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: the 16 or the 64G?

I think it used to be $199, $299, and $399 on contract in the states for the

3 storage options. That $50 a month plan with Sprint looks worth jumping
back in and getting the 64 gig iPhone 6. The big question is whether to do
easy pay, or to do their rental thing for iPhone for Life.

- Original Message - 
From: Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: the 16 or the 64G?


I think its an overall trend with smartphones. There are lots of
success Androy phone model, no longer give you te option of 32gb. They
either give you the 16gb or 64gb (discount Samsung).

As far as why it is the case, i'm not sure. I thought it will make
more sense for apple to have 32gb, 64gb and 128gb. But who knows what
behind the brain of it. Maybe, we Apple might want to retain the 32gb
soully for iPads.

On 27/09/2014, Ben Mustill-Rose b...@benmr.com wrote:

Hi,

One thing that nobody has mentioned so far is that in the UK at least,
the price for the 64GB 6 is the same as the 32GB 5S when it was
released. I was a bit annoyed about having to go for the 64GB 6 at
first, but when I found out that its price was inline with the
previous 32GB price it didn't seem as bad. Personally I'd rather Apple
introduced a cheaper 32GB model instead of simply dropping that
capacity, but with the 6 pricing, your actually getting more storage
for your money than you were before.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 9/26/14, Pete Nalda lpna...@gmail.com wrote:

Please get the 64gb!  16 is just too small!  I could kick myself for not
saving up for the 64 gig model. So when I get my 6 plus, it'll be at
least
64GB.  YMMV.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda


On Sep 26, 2014, at 4:47 PM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:

I'd rather have too much space than not enough.  If you can afford it,
go
for as much as you can get for the money.

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- Original Message -
From: Pam Berman
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 3:39 PM
Subject: the 16 or the 64G?

I'm convinced that I should upgrade my IPhone 4S to the 6 but should I
go
with the 16 or 64G? I've always had 16G in the past  haven't had any
problems at all, but going forward I'm not sure what is best.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Warmly,
Pam

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RE: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
As far as resetting the password for an Apple Id, I wouldn't be surprised if
Apple had something in place for situations like this where somebody passes
away and a spouse needs to get access. I would call Apple and ask. A quick
Google search yielded this article:

http://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/apple/access-itunes-account-music-apps-afte
r-death-3507255/


Regards,
Sieghard

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Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 11:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First
Impressions

I think if one had access to his old email account, you could reset his 
Apple ID and be able to wipe it from iCloud, unless he used questions you 
don't have answers to.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First 
Impressions


LOL, isn't it fun?  Not!.  I can do well from my computer, typing on the 6
since it is larger is a bit of a challenge but doing so on the IPad is
really the challenge, I keep hiding the keyboard when I want to hit the
return key which does not help me at all.  Since the storm last  night kept
me up, I tried to set up keychain on the iPad, got stuck then finally got
the less with the code, but I am and always have been terrible at numbers,
so I had to work at it six times before I managed to remember the number and
get it input correctly.

I can't figure out the fingerprint thing at all it seems and when I called
my cell a while ago the iPad did not allow me to answer but I did not see a
choice for that under the Handoff settings.  Since I am upset about my
cousin and a bit angry with her too, did not sleep last night for more than
half an hour before thunder cracked right over my bed, or it sounded like it
anyway I could be missing things.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Chuck Dean
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First
Impressions

Hi rose,
If you go to the BARD main page there is a previously downloaded link where
you can find past books and add them to your wish list.
I just got a iPhone 6from the apple store in Chandler. I've been entering
and changing passwords for the last three hours.


Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 On Sep 26, 2014, at 9:02 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:

 Well, I went for it big time.  When I got to Verizon they had one iPhone 6
left, 128 GB which was above what I need but it was the same price as the 64
and while I was there since I changed to the Edge plan (next year I have
another new phone) plus well it just sounded okay with me.  Then I was
offered a case, I went with Otterbox, of course, And some other device, one
was Bose Bluetooth speakers.  In addition the man told us the android
tablets were free because I bought a new iPhone, so my cousin who has wanted
one for a while got it set up for her.  I came home, had a difficult time
finding the place to plug in the lightning cable first I knew it was on the
bottom and figured the case was covering it, I found that but then I have
never been particularly good with the cable on my iPad so.  Finally got
iTunes up restored all my apps.

 Sadly I lost all my Bard books and I don't always remember what I had
planned to read.  I see access to my iBook's is still there but Read2go is
empty and I have not looked at Audible just yet.

 Then, because I had to give my apple Password at Verizon I decided to
change it.  Finally got there and I can't tell you how many times it told me
it was either not strong, did not a capital letter or that they did not
match.  I know it is security but it is a true drag if I have no clue what
it is.

 My 4s went for trade, but my late Husband's 5 they would not take because
it had not been wiped and I tried the passwords he often used but I can't
get into his phone, have no clue what he was using, probably something to
keep me out, only because I put a Diabetes app on his phone (at his request
no less) when he was sleeping.  The upshot is it is a brick to me, they
can't turn off the find my iPhone without being able to access his account
and based on the trouble I had this evening with my own password, I can't
imagine how to fix it so I can take it back to them.  I suppose I could use
his apple ID.  Say I forgot the password and change it provided I can think
of one they will accept that it, something I can remember and not a jumbo.

 I need someone to help me get it on my WIFI, had to change its password
when I had to exchange the CenturyLink box last April and no one stayed
around long enough to read it so I could get it in braille and my scanning
ability is 

RE: Notification center, anyone having this problem?

2014-09-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Yes, you can delete individual notifications this way, e.g. if you have mail 
notifications set to show the 5 most recent messages then you can swipe down 
and double tap to delete each one, but you have to do it 5 times to clear the 
entire section. If you want to clear the section all at once you can still do 
so using the “Confirm Clear Section” button as it has been described before, 
either double tap and then double tap again or triple tap once.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Victor Hugo Gallegos
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Notification center, anyone having this problem?

 

You can now swipe down with one finger to delete  your notifications, just like 
you can with  email, and text messages.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 28, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Tom Rash dadinthed...@verizon.net 
mailto:dadinthed...@verizon.net  wrote:

Clear section.  I get the confirm clear section, but double tapping does not 
work.  It was mentioned here to double tap again or tripple tap.  Still 
nothing.  It was mentioned here It was a labelling problem, but I cannot 
confirm clear section.  Using iPhone 5 S on IOS 80.10.2

 

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