Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

[Christopher Chaltain]

Well, I don't have that behavior on my Nexus tablet, so I don't think 
what you're experiencing is typical behavior for Android. You may want 
to ask about this on an Android list to get help getting it resolved.


On 30/05/16 19:41, Mary Otten wrote:

I believe you're wrong about the default apps. When I tell Google to launch 
settings, I get this dialogue asking me do I want to launch settings. There is 
only one settings app on my phone. That is just the latest example. But this is 
an iOS list, so this discussion is off-topic.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On May 30, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

OK Google does have a set of music commands. Check out 
http://www.cnet.com/how-to/complete-list-of-ok-google-commands/

Also, you shouldn't always be getting a dialog asking if you indeed want to run 
an app. I suspect this is because you have multiple apps on your phone which 
can all do the same thing but you haven't specified a default, which you can do 
by double tapping the always button when you get that dialog.


On 30/05/16 18:50, Mary Otten wrote:
Well, I am not subscribed to Google play music. I know you can get some of it 
for free. But I don't think you can ask Google assistant to play such and such 
a song from Google music, can you? I have a hard enough time getting google to 
just open an app without presenting me with some stupid screen requiring that I 
double tap something to say yes, I do in fact want to open this app. And Google 
doesn't have a walled garden. Therefore, I think the whole thing is a lot more 
complicated than you seem to think it should be.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On May 30, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

Wha




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Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

[Christopher Chaltain]

Beats had a music streaming service and an Android app, so when Apple 
bought Beats, they acquired an Android app with it's own set of music 
subscribers on Android. Apple Music is the only user interface app Apple 
has on Android. My only point was that, given Apple's history of not 
providing their paid services on other platforms, one wonders how much 
the acquisition of Beats influenced their decision to have an Android 
version of Apple Music.


I agree the number of Android users probably makes this a good move by 
Apple but Sieghard said something like as many platforms as possible, so 
one wonders will it make business sense for Apple to support other 
platforms like Windows Phone or Linux.


On 30/05/16 19:40, Mary Otten wrote:

Since Apple bought beats before Apple Music came out, I'm not sure what what 
you're getting at there. When Apple music was announced, if I'm not mistaken, 
they said they would be coming to android. It took them a few months to get 
that done, but eventually they did. It's all about making money. And since 
Apple music is a paid subscription service, and there are  more people on 
android than there are using Apple iPhones, it makes sense for them to try to 
get those folks on board.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On May 30, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, I think this should be tempered a bit. The number of subscribers on 
Android would have to justify the development and maintenance of their Android 
app. Apple would also have to take into account how many additional iPhones 
they might sell if Apple Music was only available on Apple devices. Obviously, 
Apple thinks putting Apple Music on competitors devices is the right thing to 
do, but they didn't seem to feel this way until they acquired Beats, which 
already had an app on Android.


On 30/05/16 17:22, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Exactly, music services obviously want to make sure they achieve the maximum number of 
subscribers possible hence it is in Apple's interest to be available on as many platforms 
as possible. I don't think you can compare Apple's "walled garden" concept 
which they have for iOS and apps with their music service. As Mary pointed out, Apple 
Music is available on Android just as there is a google Play Music app for iOS and you 
can also get an app for Amazon Music including access to Prime Music for iOS and apps for 
pretty much every other music service out there. In this case I don't think you can 
accuse Apple of not being open since they could just as well not allow these apps 
especially now that they have their own subscription based music service. Of course this 
would probably cause a pretty big backlash by users who prefer Google Play Music, Spotify 
or another service but who prefer the iOS hardware instead of Android. Amazon Music is 
also not a real serious competitior since accord

in

g to the app subscription Amazon Prime members have access to "over one million 
songs" which is puny compared to the almost 40 million songs offered by most of the 
other services. I guess for people who have Amazon Prime it's a bonuss, I don't even know 
if Amazon has a subscription based music service only or if it's just what is tied to 
Amazon Prime which also is not available in many countries.

Spotify apparently is available on the Amazon Echo via voice commands but only since February this 
year so I wouldn't be surprised if Apple may have a "skill" for the Amazon Echo to allow 
for controlling Apple Music via Alexa. Googling this topic does result in some articles which say 
"does not yet offer Apple Music control via Alexa".
Then of course it would appear that based on some other articles I saw Apple is getting ready to release a 
competitor to the echo which is rumoured to include " Next-Gen Natural Language API's" and a camera 
for facial recognition. Of course what I would love to see as a Sonos user is something which would allow me 
to have complete voice control over my Sonos system. I could then say "Play Dire Straits from Apple 
Music in the living room and master bedroom", once it's playing I could then tell Sonos"add kitchen 
to the currently playing group"... I guess there is always dreaming.


Regards,
Sieghard

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

I agree it would be nice for users if every service was supported equally 
across all platforms, but remember, you're talking about companies who are 
offering competing services and products. They aren't going to support their 
service on a competitors platform unless they think the income from that 
service will outweigh potential new sales of their own devices. There's no 
imperative that every company has to suppo

Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

[Mary Otten]

I believe you're wrong about the default apps. When I tell Google to launch 
settings, I get this dialogue asking me do I want to launch settings. There is 
only one settings app on my phone. That is just the latest example. But this is 
an iOS list, so this discussion is off-topic.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 30, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> OK Google does have a set of music commands. Check out 
> http://www.cnet.com/how-to/complete-list-of-ok-google-commands/
> 
> Also, you shouldn't always be getting a dialog asking if you indeed want to 
> run an app. I suspect this is because you have multiple apps on your phone 
> which can all do the same thing but you haven't specified a default, which 
> you can do by double tapping the always button when you get that dialog.
> 
>> On 30/05/16 18:50, Mary Otten wrote:
>> Well, I am not subscribed to Google play music. I know you can get some of 
>> it for free. But I don't think you can ask Google assistant to play such and 
>> such a song from Google music, can you? I have a hard enough time getting 
>> google to just open an app without presenting me with some stupid screen 
>> requiring that I double tap something to say yes, I do in fact want to open 
>> this app. And Google doesn't have a walled garden. Therefore, I think the 
>> whole thing is a lot more complicated than you seem to think it should be.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 30, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wha
>> 
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Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

[Mary Otten]

Since Apple bought beats before Apple Music came out, I'm not sure what what 
you're getting at there. When Apple music was announced, if I'm not mistaken, 
they said they would be coming to android. It took them a few months to get 
that done, but eventually they did. It's all about making money. And since 
Apple music is a paid subscription service, and there are  more people on 
android than there are using Apple iPhones, it makes sense for them to try to 
get those folks on board.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 30, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, I think this should be tempered a bit. The number of subscribers on 
> Android would have to justify the development and maintenance of their 
> Android app. Apple would also have to take into account how many additional 
> iPhones they might sell if Apple Music was only available on Apple devices. 
> Obviously, Apple thinks putting Apple Music on competitors devices is the 
> right thing to do, but they didn't seem to feel this way until they acquired 
> Beats, which already had an app on Android.
> 
>> On 30/05/16 17:22, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>> Exactly, music services obviously want to make sure they achieve the maximum 
>> number of subscribers possible hence it is in Apple's interest to be 
>> available on as many platforms as possible. I don't think you can compare 
>> Apple's "walled garden" concept which they have for iOS and apps with their 
>> music service. As Mary pointed out, Apple Music is available on Android just 
>> as there is a google Play Music app for iOS and you can also get an app for 
>> Amazon Music including access to Prime Music for iOS and apps for pretty 
>> much every other music service out there. In this case I don't think you can 
>> accuse Apple of not being open since they could just as well not allow these 
>> apps especially now that they have their own subscription based music 
>> service. Of course this would probably cause a pretty big backlash by users 
>> who prefer Google Play Music, Spotify or another service but who prefer the 
>> iOS hardware instead of Android. Amazon Music is also not a real serious 
>> competitior since accordin
> g to the app subscription Amazon Prime members have access to "over one 
> million songs" which is puny compared to the almost 40 million songs offered 
> by most of the other services. I guess for people who have Amazon Prime it's 
> a bonuss, I don't even know if Amazon has a subscription based music service 
> only or if it's just what is tied to Amazon Prime which also is not available 
> in many countries.
>> Spotify apparently is available on the Amazon Echo via voice commands but 
>> only since February this year so I wouldn't be surprised if Apple may have a 
>> "skill" for the Amazon Echo to allow for controlling Apple Music via Alexa. 
>> Googling this topic does result in some articles which say "does not yet 
>> offer Apple Music control via Alexa".
>> Then of course it would appear that based on some other articles I saw Apple 
>> is getting ready to release a competitor to the echo which is rumoured to 
>> include " Next-Gen Natural Language API's" and a camera for facial 
>> recognition. Of course what I would love to see as a Sonos user is something 
>> which would allow me to have complete voice control over my Sonos system. I 
>> could then say "Play Dire Straits from Apple Music in the living room and 
>> master bedroom", once it's playing I could then tell Sonos"add kitchen to 
>> the currently playing group"... I guess there is always dreaming.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 10:39 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo
>> 
>> I agree it would be nice for users if every service was supported equally 
>> across all platforms, but remember, you're talking about companies who are 
>> offering competing services and products. They aren't going to support their 
>> service on a competitors platform unless they think the income from that 
>> service will outweigh potential new sales of their own devices. There's no 
>> imperative that every company has to support every platform.
>> 
>>> On 30/05/16 12:26, Mary Otten wrote:
>>>   What is missing on the android side for Apple Music experience? Now from 
>>> an excess ability point of view, there are some things missing, since there 
&g

Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

[Christopher Chaltain]

OK Google does have a set of music commands. Check out 
http://www.cnet.com/how-to/complete-list-of-ok-google-commands/


Also, you shouldn't always be getting a dialog asking if you indeed want 
to run an app. I suspect this is because you have multiple apps on your 
phone which can all do the same thing but you haven't specified a 
default, which you can do by double tapping the always button when you 
get that dialog.


On 30/05/16 18:50, Mary Otten wrote:

Well, I am not subscribed to Google play music. I know you can get some of it 
for free. But I don't think you can ask Google assistant to play such and such 
a song from Google music, can you? I have a hard enough time getting google to 
just open an app without presenting me with some stupid screen requiring that I 
double tap something to say yes, I do in fact want to open this app. And Google 
doesn't have a walled garden. Therefore, I think the whole thing is a lot more 
complicated than you seem to think it should be.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On May 30, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

Wha




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Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

[Christopher Chaltain]

Well, I think this should be tempered a bit. The number of subscribers 
on Android would have to justify the development and maintenance of 
their Android app. Apple would also have to take into account how many 
additional iPhones they might sell if Apple Music was only available on 
Apple devices. Obviously, Apple thinks putting Apple Music on 
competitors devices is the right thing to do, but they didn't seem to 
feel this way until they acquired Beats, which already had an app on 
Android.


On 30/05/16 17:22, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Exactly, music services obviously want to make sure they achieve the maximum number of 
subscribers possible hence it is in Apple's interest to be available on as many platforms 
as possible. I don't think you can compare Apple's "walled garden" concept 
which they have for iOS and apps with their music service. As Mary pointed out, Apple 
Music is available on Android just as there is a google Play Music app for iOS and you 
can also get an app for Amazon Music including access to Prime Music for iOS and apps for 
pretty much every other music service out there. In this case I don't think you can 
accuse Apple of not being open since they could just as well not allow these apps 
especially now that they have their own subscription based music service. Of course this 
would probably cause a pretty big backlash by users who prefer Google Play Music, Spotify 
or another service but who prefer the iOS hardware instead of Android. Amazon Music is 
also not a real serious competitior since accordin

g to the app subscription Amazon Prime members have access to "over one million 
songs" which is puny compared to the almost 40 million songs offered by most of the 
other services. I guess for people who have Amazon Prime it's a bonuss, I don't even know 
if Amazon has a subscription based music service only or if it's just what is tied to 
Amazon Prime which also is not available in many countries.

Spotify apparently is available on the Amazon Echo via voice commands but only since February this 
year so I wouldn't be surprised if Apple may have a "skill" for the Amazon Echo to allow 
for controlling Apple Music via Alexa. Googling this topic does result in some articles which say 
"does not yet offer Apple Music control via Alexa".
Then of course it would appear that based on some other articles I saw Apple is getting ready to release a 
competitor to the echo which is rumoured to include " Next-Gen Natural Language API's" and a camera 
for facial recognition. Of course what I would love to see as a Sonos user is something which would allow me 
to have complete voice control over my Sonos system. I could then say "Play Dire Straits from Apple 
Music in the living room and master bedroom", once it's playing I could then tell Sonos"add kitchen 
to the currently playing group"... I guess there is always dreaming.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 10:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

I agree it would be nice for users if every service was supported equally 
across all platforms, but remember, you're talking about companies who are 
offering competing services and products. They aren't going to support their 
service on a competitors platform unless they think the income from that 
service will outweigh potential new sales of their own devices. There's no 
imperative that every company has to support every platform.

On 30/05/16 12:26, Mary Otten wrote:

   What is missing on the android side for Apple Music experience? Now from an 
excess ability point of view, there are some things missing, since there are 
some unlabeled buttons there that are not on the iPhone side. So, sloppy 
programming by somebody at Apple. And, since, at least from my point of view of 
the android interface is not as efficient as Apple, that is also different. But 
that is not apples problem. They are going along with the android conventions 
which are not as efficient in my view. Anyway, what do you mean when you say 
the experience should be the same across all platforms? I assume you're talking 
about a general experience, not a specific accessibility one. Somebody else has 
already pointed out that other pay services for music or also not integrated 
with the Amazon echo. Therefore, in this case, I do believe that some at least 
some, of the blame falls squarely on Amazon.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On May 30, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:

Once again, I disagree Mary. Apple needs to loosen up and let Apple Music and 
agree with Amazons Alexa, as well as Google's assistant. Just because the app 
is on android doesn't mean that it's the same experience, and it should be 
across all platforms.

Sent from my iPhone 

Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

[Mary Otten]

Well, I am not subscribed to Google play music. I know you can get some of it 
for free. But I don't think you can ask Google assistant to play such and such 
a song from Google music, can you? I have a hard enough time getting google to 
just open an app without presenting me with some stupid screen requiring that I 
double tap something to say yes, I do in fact want to open this app. And Google 
doesn't have a walled garden. Therefore, I think the whole thing is a lot more 
complicated than you seem to think it should be.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 30, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> Wha

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Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

[Daniel Miller]

OK, let me rephrase that. I should be able to pick up an android device that 
has Apple Music installed, and ask Google's assistant to play something from 
the Apple Music catalog, since I'm signed into that service via the Apple Music 
app. For them not to have that type of integration seems very walled garden 
like. But that's just my opinion, everybody has one.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 30, 2016, at 6:22 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Exactly, music services obviously want to make sure they achieve the maximum 
> number of subscribers possible hence it is in Apple's interest to be 
> available on as many platforms as possible. I don't think you can compare 
> Apple's "walled garden" concept which they have for iOS and apps with their 
> music service. As Mary pointed out, Apple Music is available on Android just 
> as there is a google Play Music app for iOS and you can also get an app for 
> Amazon Music including access to Prime Music for iOS and apps for pretty much 
> every other music service out there. In this case I don't think you can 
> accuse Apple of not being open since they could just as well not allow these 
> apps especially now that they have their own subscription based music 
> service. Of course this would probably cause a pretty big backlash by users 
> who prefer Google Play Music, Spotify or another service but who prefer the 
> iOS hardware instead of Android. Amazon Music is also not a real serious 
> competitior since according to the app subscription Amazon Prime members have 
> access to "over one million songs" which is puny compared to the almost 40 
> million songs offered by most of the other services. I guess for people who 
> have Amazon Prime it's a bonuss, I don't even know if Amazon has a 
> subscription based music service only or if it's just what is tied to Amazon 
> Prime which also is not available in many countries.
> Spotify apparently is available on the Amazon Echo via voice commands but 
> only since February this year so I wouldn't be surprised if Apple may have a 
> "skill" for the Amazon Echo to allow for controlling Apple Music via Alexa. 
> Googling this topic does result in some articles which say "does not yet 
> offer Apple Music control via Alexa".
> Then of course it would appear that based on some other articles I saw Apple 
> is getting ready to release a competitor to the echo which is rumoured to 
> include " Next-Gen Natural Language API's" and a camera for facial 
> recognition. Of course what I would love to see as a Sonos user is something 
> which would allow me to have complete voice control over my Sonos system. I 
> could then say "Play Dire Straits from Apple Music in the living room and 
> master bedroom", once it's playing I could then tell Sonos"add kitchen to the 
> currently playing group"... I guess there is always dreaming.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 10:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo
> 
> I agree it would be nice for users if every service was supported equally 
> across all platforms, but remember, you're talking about companies who are 
> offering competing services and products. They aren't going to support their 
> service on a competitors platform unless they think the income from that 
> service will outweigh potential new sales of their own devices. There's no 
> imperative that every company has to support every platform.
> 
>> On 30/05/16 12:26, Mary Otten wrote:
>>  What is missing on the android side for Apple Music experience? Now from an 
>> excess ability point of view, there are some things missing, since there are 
>> some unlabeled buttons there that are not on the iPhone side. So, sloppy 
>> programming by somebody at Apple. And, since, at least from my point of view 
>> of the android interface is not as efficient as Apple, that is also 
>> different. But that is not apples problem. They are going along with the 
>> android conventions which are not as efficient in my view. Anyway, what do 
>> you mean when you say the experience should be the same across all 
>> platforms? I assume you're talking about a general experience, not a 
>> specific accessibility one. Somebody else has already pointed out that other 
>> pay services for music or also not integrated with the Amazon echo. 
>> Therefore, in this case, I do believe that some at least some, of the blame 
>> falls squarely on Amazon.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone

RE: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Exactly, music services obviously want to make sure they achieve the maximum 
number of subscribers possible hence it is in Apple's interest to be available 
on as many platforms as possible. I don't think you can compare Apple's "walled 
garden" concept which they have for iOS and apps with their music service. As 
Mary pointed out, Apple Music is available on Android just as there is a google 
Play Music app for iOS and you can also get an app for Amazon Music including 
access to Prime Music for iOS and apps for pretty much every other music 
service out there. In this case I don't think you can accuse Apple of not being 
open since they could just as well not allow these apps especially now that 
they have their own subscription based music service. Of course this would 
probably cause a pretty big backlash by users who prefer Google Play Music, 
Spotify or another service but who prefer the iOS hardware instead of Android. 
Amazon Music is also not a real serious competitior since according to the app 
subscription Amazon Prime members have access to "over one million songs" which 
is puny compared to the almost 40 million songs offered by most of the other 
services. I guess for people who have Amazon Prime it's a bonuss, I don't even 
know if Amazon has a subscription based music service only or if it's just what 
is tied to Amazon Prime which also is not available in many countries.
Spotify apparently is available on the Amazon Echo via voice commands but only 
since February this year so I wouldn't be surprised if Apple may have a "skill" 
for the Amazon Echo to allow for controlling Apple Music via Alexa. Googling 
this topic does result in some articles which say "does not yet offer Apple 
Music control via Alexa".
Then of course it would appear that based on some other articles I saw Apple is 
getting ready to release a competitor to the echo which is rumoured to include 
" Next-Gen Natural Language API's" and a camera for facial recognition. Of 
course what I would love to see as a Sonos user is something which would allow 
me to have complete voice control over my Sonos system. I could then say "Play 
Dire Straits from Apple Music in the living room and master bedroom", once it's 
playing I could then tell Sonos"add kitchen to the currently playing group"... 
I guess there is always dreaming.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 10:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

I agree it would be nice for users if every service was supported equally 
across all platforms, but remember, you're talking about companies who are 
offering competing services and products. They aren't going to support their 
service on a competitors platform unless they think the income from that 
service will outweigh potential new sales of their own devices. There's no 
imperative that every company has to support every platform.

On 30/05/16 12:26, Mary Otten wrote:
>   What is missing on the android side for Apple Music experience? Now from an 
> excess ability point of view, there are some things missing, since there are 
> some unlabeled buttons there that are not on the iPhone side. So, sloppy 
> programming by somebody at Apple. And, since, at least from my point of view 
> of the android interface is not as efficient as Apple, that is also 
> different. But that is not apples problem. They are going along with the 
> android conventions which are not as efficient in my view. Anyway, what do 
> you mean when you say the experience should be the same across all platforms? 
> I assume you're talking about a general experience, not a specific 
> accessibility one. Somebody else has already pointed out that other pay 
> services for music or also not integrated with the Amazon echo. Therefore, in 
> this case, I do believe that some at least some, of the blame falls squarely 
> on Amazon.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 30, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Once again, I disagree Mary. Apple needs to loosen up and let Apple Music 
>> and agree with Amazons Alexa, as well as Google's assistant. Just because 
>> the app is on android doesn't mean that it's the same experience, and it 
>> should be across all platforms.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>>
>>> On May 30, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> You really don't need to mess with the iPhone app to change user profiles. 
>>> If you have two different people in your household, both of whom have 
>>> Amazon accounts, each can have a profile on your echo. To change profiles,

RE: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

[Joe]

For whatever it's worth, the Echo does integrate with Pandora, as far as other 
music services go. It also plays content readily available on TuneIn.



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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 12:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

Hi Daniel,

I am not so sure if in the case of the Amazon Echo this is only Apple's fault. 
They are, after all, available on Sonos and I wonder if Amazon wouldn't 
consider it counter to promoting their own music service. As far as I know 
Amazon Echo also doesn't integrate with other popular services such as Spotify, 
Deezer, Tidal etc. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm sure while Amazon has these third 
party integrations that in some cases they want to push their own offering.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Daniel Miller
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 8:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

Unfortunately, it will not. Those requests only go to Alexa. I wish Apple would 
get their heads out of their asses, and loosen up a bit as far as letting other 
platforms integrate with Apple Music, but that probably won't happen when we 
are alive.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 30, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Traci Duncan <our4p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all, hope this question is appropriate for this list, because it has to do 
> with the iPhone native music app.
> 
> For those of you that have an Amazon Echo, what is the experience like 
> listening to your music on your iPhone? The only thing I know for sure is you 
> can use Echo as a bluetooth speaker.  Is there other ways?  Do any voice 
> commands work once iPhone is paired?  For example, Alexa play my Mozart 
> playlist.  Will it play it from my music library on my phone?  How about 
> Alexa go to next song.
> 
> I’ve been trying to Google this question without much success.
>  Secondly, I’ve read now you can have 2 user profiles with the Echo.  Is this 
> pretty user friendly via the iPhone?  Easy to switch between household 
> members, etc.
> 
> Thanks for the help,
> Traci
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Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

[Christopher Chaltain]

I agree it would be nice for users if every service was supported 
equally across all platforms, but remember, you're talking about 
companies who are offering competing services and products. They aren't 
going to support their service on a competitors platform unless they 
think the income from that service will outweigh potential new sales of 
their own devices. There's no imperative that every company has to 
support every platform.


On 30/05/16 12:26, Mary Otten wrote:

  What is missing on the android side for Apple Music experience? Now from an 
excess ability point of view, there are some things missing, since there are 
some unlabeled buttons there that are not on the iPhone side. So, sloppy 
programming by somebody at Apple. And, since, at least from my point of view of 
the android interface is not as efficient as Apple, that is also different. But 
that is not apples problem. They are going along with the android conventions 
which are not as efficient in my view. Anyway, what do you mean when you say 
the experience should be the same across all platforms? I assume you're talking 
about a general experience, not a specific accessibility one. Somebody else has 
already pointed out that other pay services for music or also not integrated 
with the Amazon echo. Therefore, in this case, I do believe that some at least 
some, of the blame falls squarely on Amazon.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On May 30, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

Once again, I disagree Mary. Apple needs to loosen up and let Apple Music and 
agree with Amazons Alexa, as well as Google's assistant. Just because the app 
is on android doesn't mean that it's the same experience, and it should be 
across all platforms.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus


On May 30, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

You really don't need to mess with the iPhone app to change user profiles. If 
you have two different people in your household, both of whom have Amazon 
accounts, each can have a profile on your echo. To change profiles, you simply 
tell the echo to change from person A to person be profile. The app is 
unnecessary.

Sent from my iPhone


On May 30, 2016, at 7:51 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:

Hi all, hope this question is appropriate for this list, because it has to do 
with the iPhone native music app.

For those of you that have an Amazon Echo, what is the experience like 
listening to your music on your iPhone? The only thing I know for sure is you 
can use Echo as a bluetooth speaker.  Is there other ways?  Do any voice 
commands work once iPhone is paired?  For example, Alexa play my Mozart 
playlist.  Will it play it from my music library on my phone?  How about Alexa 
go to next song.

I’ve been trying to Google this question without much success.
Secondly, I’ve read now you can have 2 user profiles with the Echo.  Is this 
pretty user friendly via the iPhone?  Easy to switch between household members, 
etc.

Thanks for the help,
Traci

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[Mary Otten]

 What is missing on the android side for Apple Music experience? Now from an 
excess ability point of view, there are some things missing, since there are 
some unlabeled buttons there that are not on the iPhone side. So, sloppy 
programming by somebody at Apple. And, since, at least from my point of view of 
the android interface is not as efficient as Apple, that is also different. But 
that is not apples problem. They are going along with the android conventions 
which are not as efficient in my view. Anyway, what do you mean when you say 
the experience should be the same across all platforms? I assume you're talking 
about a general experience, not a specific accessibility one. Somebody else has 
already pointed out that other pay services for music or also not integrated 
with the Amazon echo. Therefore, in this case, I do believe that some at least 
some, of the blame falls squarely on Amazon.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 30, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> Once again, I disagree Mary. Apple needs to loosen up and let Apple Music and 
> agree with Amazons Alexa, as well as Google's assistant. Just because the app 
> is on android doesn't mean that it's the same experience, and it should be 
> across all platforms.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
> 
>> On May 30, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> You really don't need to mess with the iPhone app to change user profiles. 
>> If you have two different people in your household, both of whom have Amazon 
>> accounts, each can have a profile on your echo. To change profiles, you 
>> simply tell the echo to change from person A to person be profile. The app 
>> is unnecessary.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 30, 2016, at 7:51 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, hope this question is appropriate for this list, because it has to 
>>> do with the iPhone native music app.
>>> 
>>> For those of you that have an Amazon Echo, what is the experience like 
>>> listening to your music on your iPhone? The only thing I know for sure is 
>>> you can use Echo as a bluetooth speaker.  Is there other ways?  Do any 
>>> voice commands work once iPhone is paired?  For example, Alexa play my 
>>> Mozart playlist.  Will it play it from my music library on my phone?  How 
>>> about Alexa go to next song.
>>> 
>>> I’ve been trying to Google this question without much success.
>>> Secondly, I’ve read now you can have 2 user profiles with the Echo.  Is 
>>> this pretty user friendly via the iPhone?  Easy to switch between household 
>>> members, etc.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the help,
>>> Traci
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Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

[Daniel Miller]

Once again, I disagree Mary. Apple needs to loosen up and let Apple Music and 
agree with Amazons Alexa, as well as Google's assistant. Just because the app 
is on android doesn't mean that it's the same experience, and it should be 
across all platforms.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 30, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> You really don't need to mess with the iPhone app to change user profiles. If 
> you have two different people in your household, both of whom have Amazon 
> accounts, each can have a profile on your echo. To change profiles, you 
> simply tell the echo to change from person A to person be profile. The app is 
> unnecessary.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 30, 2016, at 7:51 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, hope this question is appropriate for this list, because it has to 
>> do with the iPhone native music app.
>> 
>> For those of you that have an Amazon Echo, what is the experience like 
>> listening to your music on your iPhone? The only thing I know for sure is 
>> you can use Echo as a bluetooth speaker.  Is there other ways?  Do any voice 
>> commands work once iPhone is paired?  For example, Alexa play my Mozart 
>> playlist.  Will it play it from my music library on my phone?  How about 
>> Alexa go to next song.
>> 
>> I’ve been trying to Google this question without much success.
>> Secondly, I’ve read now you can have 2 user profiles with the Echo.  Is this 
>> pretty user friendly via the iPhone?  Easy to switch between household 
>> members, etc.
>> 
>> Thanks for the help,
>> Traci
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Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

[Mary Otten]

You really don't need to mess with the iPhone app to change user profiles. If 
you have two different people in your household, both of whom have Amazon 
accounts, each can have a profile on your echo. To change profiles, you simply 
tell the echo to change from person A to person be profile. The app is 
unnecessary.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 30, 2016, at 7:51 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, hope this question is appropriate for this list, because it has to do 
> with the iPhone native music app.
> 
> For those of you that have an Amazon Echo, what is the experience like 
> listening to your music on your iPhone? The only thing I know for sure is you 
> can use Echo as a bluetooth speaker.  Is there other ways?  Do any voice 
> commands work once iPhone is paired?  For example, Alexa play my Mozart 
> playlist.  Will it play it from my music library on my phone?  How about 
> Alexa go to next song.
> 
> I’ve been trying to Google this question without much success.
>  Secondly, I’ve read now you can have 2 user profiles with the Echo.  Is this 
> pretty user friendly via the iPhone?  Easy to switch between household 
> members, etc.
> 
> Thanks for the help,
> Traci
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Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

[Mary Otten]

Apple Music is also on android. So I would be disinclined to blame Apple 
entirely for this lack of full inter-operability with the echo.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 30, 2016, at 9:01 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> I am not so sure if in the case of the Amazon Echo this is only Apple's 
> fault. They are, after all, available on Sonos and I wonder if Amazon 
> wouldn't consider it counter to promoting their own music service. As far as 
> I know Amazon Echo also doesn't integrate with other popular services such as 
> Spotify, Deezer, Tidal etc. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm sure while Amazon has 
> these third party integrations that in some cases they want to push their own 
> offering.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Daniel Miller
> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 8:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo
> 
> Unfortunately, it will not. Those requests only go to Alexa. I wish Apple 
> would get their heads out of their asses, and loosen up a bit as far as 
> letting other platforms integrate with Apple Music, but that probably won't 
> happen when we are alive.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
> 
>> On May 30, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Traci Duncan <our4p...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, hope this question is appropriate for this list, because it has to 
>> do with the iPhone native music app.
>> 
>> For those of you that have an Amazon Echo, what is the experience like 
>> listening to your music on your iPhone? The only thing I know for sure is 
>> you can use Echo as a bluetooth speaker.  Is there other ways?  Do any voice 
>> commands work once iPhone is paired?  For example, Alexa play my Mozart 
>> playlist.  Will it play it from my music library on my phone?  How about 
>> Alexa go to next song.
>> 
>> I’ve been trying to Google this question without much success.
>> Secondly, I’ve read now you can have 2 user profiles with the Echo.  Is this 
>> pretty user friendly via the iPhone?  Easy to switch between household 
>> members, etc.
>> 
>> Thanks for the help,
>> Traci
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Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. I think it's both companies fault. I wish all of these companies could get 
along nicely and let everything integrate with each other. It just shows you 
how honestly Apple is more closed off than any of the others, which is slightly 
annoying to me.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 30, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> I am not so sure if in the case of the Amazon Echo this is only Apple's 
> fault. They are, after all, available on Sonos and I wonder if Amazon 
> wouldn't consider it counter to promoting their own music service. As far as 
> I know Amazon Echo also doesn't integrate with other popular services such as 
> Spotify, Deezer, Tidal etc. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm sure while Amazon has 
> these third party integrations that in some cases they want to push their own 
> offering.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Daniel Miller
> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 8:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo
> 
> Unfortunately, it will not. Those requests only go to Alexa. I wish Apple 
> would get their heads out of their asses, and loosen up a bit as far as 
> letting other platforms integrate with Apple Music, but that probably won't 
> happen when we are alive.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
> 
>> On May 30, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Traci Duncan <our4p...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, hope this question is appropriate for this list, because it has to 
>> do with the iPhone native music app.
>> 
>> For those of you that have an Amazon Echo, what is the experience like 
>> listening to your music on your iPhone? The only thing I know for sure is 
>> you can use Echo as a bluetooth speaker.  Is there other ways?  Do any voice 
>> commands work once iPhone is paired?  For example, Alexa play my Mozart 
>> playlist.  Will it play it from my music library on my phone?  How about 
>> Alexa go to next song.
>> 
>> I’ve been trying to Google this question without much success.
>> Secondly, I’ve read now you can have 2 user profiles with the Echo.  Is this 
>> pretty user friendly via the iPhone?  Easy to switch between household 
>> members, etc.
>> 
>> Thanks for the help,
>> Traci
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RE: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Daniel,

I am not so sure if in the case of the Amazon Echo this is only Apple's fault. 
They are, after all, available on Sonos and I wonder if Amazon wouldn't 
consider it counter to promoting their own music service. As far as I know 
Amazon Echo also doesn't integrate with other popular services such as Spotify, 
Deezer, Tidal etc. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm sure while Amazon has these third 
party integrations that in some cases they want to push their own offering.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Daniel Miller
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 8:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

Unfortunately, it will not. Those requests only go to Alexa. I wish Apple would 
get their heads out of their asses, and loosen up a bit as far as letting other 
platforms integrate with Apple Music, but that probably won't happen when we 
are alive.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 30, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Traci Duncan <our4p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all, hope this question is appropriate for this list, because it has to do 
> with the iPhone native music app.
> 
> For those of you that have an Amazon Echo, what is the experience like 
> listening to your music on your iPhone? The only thing I know for sure is you 
> can use Echo as a bluetooth speaker.  Is there other ways?  Do any voice 
> commands work once iPhone is paired?  For example, Alexa play my Mozart 
> playlist.  Will it play it from my music library on my phone?  How about 
> Alexa go to next song.
> 
> I’ve been trying to Google this question without much success.
>  Secondly, I’ve read now you can have 2 user profiles with the Echo.  Is this 
> pretty user friendly via the iPhone?  Easy to switch between household 
> members, etc.
> 
> Thanks for the help,
> Traci
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Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

[Daniel Miller]

Unfortunately, it will not. Those requests only go to Alexa. I wish Apple would 
get their heads out of their asses, and loosen up a bit as far as letting other 
platforms integrate with Apple Music, but that probably won't happen when we 
are alive.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 30, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, hope this question is appropriate for this list, because it has to do 
> with the iPhone native music app.
> 
> For those of you that have an Amazon Echo, what is the experience like 
> listening to your music on your iPhone? The only thing I know for sure is you 
> can use Echo as a bluetooth speaker.  Is there other ways?  Do any voice 
> commands work once iPhone is paired?  For example, Alexa play my Mozart 
> playlist.  Will it play it from my music library on my phone?  How about 
> Alexa go to next song.
> 
> I’ve been trying to Google this question without much success.
>  Secondly, I’ve read now you can have 2 user profiles with the Echo.  Is this 
> pretty user friendly via the iPhone?  Easy to switch between household 
> members, etc.
> 
> Thanks for the help,
> Traci
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RE: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

[Sieghard Weitzel]

As far as I know these type of requests to Alexa only work if you are using the 
Amazon Music echo system, I don't think they work with music actually on your 
iOS device or with music in the Apple Music ecosystem.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Traci Duncan
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 7:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

Hi all, hope this question is appropriate for this list, because it has to do 
with the iPhone native music app.

For those of you that have an Amazon Echo, what is the experience like 
listening to your music on your iPhone? The only thing I know for sure is you 
can use Echo as a bluetooth speaker.  Is there other ways?  Do any voice 
commands work once iPhone is paired?  For example, Alexa play my Mozart 
playlist.  Will it play it from my music library on my phone?  How about Alexa 
go to next song.

I’ve been trying to Google this question without much success.
  Secondly, I’ve read now you can have 2 user profiles with the Echo.  Is this 
pretty user friendly via the iPhone?  Easy to switch between household members, 
etc.

Thanks for the help,
Traci

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