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Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium On 28/08/2014 10:38 PM, Jojo Iznart wrote: My friend, caterpillars turning to butterflies are not micro-evolution, that is normal development associated with butterflies. You think I don't know that!? Why

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ning of the sentence. *From:* jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au <mailto:jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> *Sent:* Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:07 PM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium On 28/08/2014 6:22 PM, Jojo Iznart wr

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, August 28, 2014 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium Darwin's theory or explanation of evolution is distinct from the general concept of evolution. Several explanations of evolution have been proposed over the last few hundred years. To date Darwin's theory

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uwa.edu.au <mailto:jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> *Sent:* Thursday, August 28, 2014 11:14 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium On 28/08/2014 7:59 AM, Jojo Iznart wrote: You seem to be implying that you kn

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ortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium On 28/08/2014 6:22 PM, Jojo Iznart wrote: On 28/08/2014 11:14 AM, jwinter wrote: If the necessary information is present from the beginning, then it only needs to be triggered a

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jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Sent:* Thursday, August 28, 2014 11:14 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium > > On 28/08/2014 7:59 AM, Jojo Iznart wrote: > > You seem to be implying that you know that the Coelacanth is 350 million > years old

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On 28/08/2014 6:22 PM, Jojo Iznart wrote: On 28/08/2014 11:14 AM, jwinter wrote: If the necessary information is present from the beginning, then it only needs to be triggered and it will express itself. This is my suspicion of how the process might work. This process my friend, is called micr

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The end of Christianity will come if full disclosure takes place peacefully. If our true place in the universe was finally exposed, it would wither away. I intuitively believe that the primary obstacle to disclosure of ET's is the hegemony of the US. Once that is out of the way ( and thankfull

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I think you're safe, you will always believe the Bible, because there will probably never be proof to convince you otherwise. /Sunil From: jojoiznar...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 19:44:54 +0800 Then show me f

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: Thursday, August 28, 2014 7:26 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium Jojo, if we assume macro-evolution occurs in long time-frames, how can anyone show you "concrete proof" the way you say you want it? I found this http://www.debate.org/debates/There-is-no-Obs

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e proof? From: jojoiznar...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:04:13 +0800 Ken, are you saying the Clymene dolphin is an example of Macro-evolution. It seems to me that it is just a variation of the spinner dolphin. Not s

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. There are new holes poked thru it everyday. Jojo - Original Message - From: jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium On 28/08/2014 7:59 AM, Jojo Iznart wrote: You seem to

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- Original Message - From: jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium On 28/08/2014 7:42 AM, Jojo Iznart wrote: As pointed out, the odds for a mutation occuring that would

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On 28/08/2014 7:42 AM, Jojo Iznart wrote: As pointed out, the odds for a mutation occuring that would result in a feature that is useful enough is astronomical. If the necessary information is present from the beginning, then it only needs to be triggered and it will express itself. This is my

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On 28/08/2014 7:59 AM, Jojo Iznart wrote: You seem to be implying that you know that the Coelacanth is 350 million years old from radiometric dating techniques. Please do tell, what sort of radiometric dating tells you that it is 350 million years old? I don't know how these particular fossils

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t: Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium Jojo, Here's one (actually a few ): clymene dolphin plus 2-4% of all flowering plants, inc. many sunflowers, and many crop species. BTW. This whole 'odds' thing is a joke. Julian Huxley, for example, did not state his opinion re; the

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: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 2:16 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium For example, you assume that the Coelacanth is 350 million years old. How do you know that? We have been over this ad nauseum. I accept radiometric dating. In many cases it is

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ver be resistant to something that is not in its tool box. Jojo - Original Message - From: jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium On 28/08/2014 1:17 AM, Jojo Iznart wrote:

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Jojo, Here's one (actually a few ): clymene dolphin plus 2-4% of all flowering plants, inc. many sunflowers, and many crop species. BTW. This whole 'odds' thing is a joke. Julian Huxley, for example, did not state his opinion re; the astronomical 'odds' of a horse, but did ridicule the guy that

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On 28/08/2014 1:17 AM, Jojo Iznart wrote: If evolution is driven by a random process via random mutations, then evolution _can not be reversible_, since it is _unlikely_ that a random mutation would occur that cancels out a previous random mutation. The odds are astronomical for that to occur.

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On 28/08/2014 1:11 AM, Jojo Iznart wrote: John, my friend, you have a fundamental problem in your analysis. Your unyielding adherence to Darwinian dogma You are mistaken. I have no adherence to Darwinian dogma whatsoever. If "Darwinian dogma" (whatever that is) happens to coincide with my und

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: Thursday, August 28, 2014 12:50 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium Hi Nigel, Thanks again for your answer, but again I cannot find the data point I am after in all the interesting information you have provided! So I will try again. Purely as an illustration or analogy, consider

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ssage - From: jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 12:50 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equilibrium Hi Nigel, Thanks again for your answer, but again I cannot find the data point I am after in all the interesting information you have

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Hi Nigel, Thanks again for your answer, but again I cannot find the data point I am after in all the interesting information you have provided! So I will try again. Purely as an illustration or analogy, consider the growth of the human body. It starts at conception having many embryonic _s

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Hi John Evolutionary principles can help understand how the first self replicating cell originated. For example all the evidence suggests that it came from an RNA based predecessor, where RNA is replicated and splits into chunks to form enzymes etc. We are currently finding RNA has far mo

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Hi Nigel, Thanks again for your reply but it seems like you were answering someone else's query. I did not remotely suggest recent creation and did not think that I promoted alien impregnation. The alien impregnation that I spoke of was of the sexual variety and is a well known case that eve

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Hi John et al It can be shown logically that it is impossible to argue against the hypothesis that God created the world in 4004 BC such that it had all the appearance of there having been Darwinian Evolution up until that point, as I have discovered previously. The possibility that life appe

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Yes, Darwin is too boring. And as soon as you know the concept of evolution, it becomes obvious. So, I never could get past the first paragraph. Mendelian inheritance, although it is a very rough model, seems to be much more informative, educational and of practical use. 2014-08-26 16:14 GMT-03:0

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http://phys.org/news/2013-07-chimp-pig-hybrid-humans.html It's not aliens, it's pigs. In the case of chimp - pig hybridization, the "direction of the cross" would likely have been a male boar or pig (Sus scrofa) with a female chimp (Pan troglodytes), and the offspri

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On 27/08/2014 9:09 AM, Jojo Iznart wrote: In my previous existence here, Nigel and I engaged is quite a long discussion about evolution. We did it offline. At that time, I asked Nigel to provide evidence of what he considers to be "clear" proof of evolution. I don't believe he has satisfied tha

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Hi Nigel, Thanks for your erudite and interesting answers. However I don't think you really answered the question I was interested in because you are so saturated with the current paradigm. I sense from your answer that you are happy with the idea that given an *actually* simple (in comparis

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nough to separate the fact from its interpretation. The fact is the fact, but interpretation of what that fact infers is just an opinion. Jojo - Original Message - From: "Nigel Dyer" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Punctuated equil

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In answer to jwinter To my mind there are two separate evolution question problems that need to be addressed. The first, which you pick up on, is the evolution of the complex folding proteins, and the second is the evolution of the information that is used to define the complex structure of m

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On 27/08/2014 12:43 AM, Nigel Dyer wrote: This summer I read "On the Origin of the Species" from cover to cover for the first time. I had not realised what a truely remarkable book it is. It covers the dogs/wolves question in great detail. I bought a copy but still haven't got around to readi