Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-18 Thread Jojo Iznart
Message - From: James Bowery To: vortex-l Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: I understand what you mean, but my system scales

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2014-08-18 Thread Kevin O'Malley
The problem is their immersion in a social milieu that neutralizes their ability to think. ***A very interesting and wise observation. Have you considered some sort of crowdsourcing? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowdsourcing On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 2:56 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-17 Thread James Bowery
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors As far as I can see there is nothing _but_ dumb money out there. Let me define what I mean: I know of at least one technology that has, since 2009, been waiting on nothing more than about $10M dollars to reduce civilization's

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2014-08-17 Thread Jojo Iznart
, 2014 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors http://jimbowery.blogspot.com/2014/05/greenhouses-are-not-next-green.html On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 9:22 PM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: James, Please elaborate on this technology

Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-17 Thread James Bowery
*Sent:* Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:34 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors As far as I can see there is nothing _but_ dumb money out there. Let me define what I mean: I know of at least one technology that has, since 2009, been waiting on nothing more than about

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2014-08-17 Thread Lennart Thornros
vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2014 12:25 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors http://jimbowery.blogspot.com/2014/05/greenhouses-are-not-next-green.html On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 9:22 PM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: James, Please

Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-17 Thread James Bowery
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com wrote: James, Thanks for the details of the bio project. I think the ideas has been around for awhile No it hasn't. Algae cultivation has been a pipedream for a long time if that is what you are talking about. What has

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2014-08-17 Thread James Bowery
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com wrote: Specific problems are that it is not a ten million dollar test to get there. I think you talk billions. Not for the algae cultivation system. Its $10M. Period. End of discussion. The $10M is for a production

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2014-08-17 Thread James Bowery
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com wrote: supply. However, the investment is enormous measured by what any risk taker can provide (try Bill Gates). Oh good grief. Do you even know who you're talking to? Not only do I have 2 separate routes through which

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2014-08-17 Thread Lennart Thornros
Yes, it has been a pipe dream. I think it still is because of reasons I gave. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment

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2014-08-17 Thread James Bowery
You're confused. The photobioreactor technology is not the same as the atoll technology. The photobioreactor technology requires $10M. There is no good excuse to have confused these two. On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com wrote: Yes, it has been a pipe

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2014-08-17 Thread James Bowery
To be clear, the atoll technology requires a breakthrough in energy production. Once that breakthrough occurs it will naturally incorporate the Algasol PBR technology which does NOT require a breakthrough of any kind -- indeed it is a technology, the lack of financing for which, indicts the

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2014-08-17 Thread Lennart Thornros
OK we agree that the RD is done. I think you can produce a system for ten million dollars. Then you say you have letter of intent so I certainly do not see the problem. It should be rather easy to get the funding. I still believe it is hard to start this with baby steps and arrive at the vision.

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2014-08-17 Thread Lennart Thornros
To take risk in one step, which I tried to show is required, you need a very big investment. In addition such an investment is contrary to most laws regulating business. Yes, there is rules for ships but they hardly work for atolls. I mentioned Gate as an example of one of the few who has personal

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2014-08-17 Thread Lennart Thornros
I just read the article you provided. In there the vision was the atolls. If that just was there as a filler than I misunderstood the article, sorry for that. Although I sink the sender is responsible for the message not the reciever. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros

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2014-08-17 Thread James Bowery
The Alga6 photobioreactor from Algasol, LLC brings the cost per insolated area below that for open ponds while yielding areal productivity at an annualized rate exceeding 35g/m^2/day using natural algae strains in high insolation *desert* areas

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2014-08-17 Thread James Bowery
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com wrote: OK we agree that the RD is done. I think you can produce a system for ten million dollars. Then you say you have letter of intent so I certainly do not see the problem. It should be rather easy to get the funding.

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2014-08-17 Thread ChemE Stewart
But are you related to Kevin Bacon? On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 4:34 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com wrote: supply. However, the investment is enormous measured by what any risk taker can provide (try Bill

Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-17 Thread James Bowery
Yeah the failure of civilization _is_ a laughing matter, isn't it? On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 4:28 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: But are you related to Kevin Bacon? On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 4:34 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Lennart

Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-17 Thread Lennart Thornros
I think you jump to conclusions about others without seeing there motives. I understand there are brain dead investors. There are also very smart dittos. I suspect you are missing an important factor in your presentation. Problems mostly emanate near ourselves. You know the old biblical talk about

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2014-08-17 Thread James Bowery
When I spoke of your mature advice, it was in the context of your confusion. Your advice was confused -- not mature. You are welcome to your suspicions. I am speaking from ground truth. There are lots of highly motivated very smart people with lots of money out there. The problem isn't the

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2014-08-17 Thread Lennart Thornros
There are people losing the key while opening the front door but look for it under the street lamp as it is brighter there. James I have not accused you about not telling the truth. As all of us, the truth is what we believe to be true. The hardest place to find flaws is within oneself. I know

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2014-08-17 Thread James Bowery
It certainly is my fault that I have not put my disabled and dependent wife in a nursing home, gone and kidnapped the Bill Gates' children, cut their fingers off one at a time, sending them to him until he listens. I have many such faults. On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Lennart Thornros

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2014-08-17 Thread Lennart Thornros
:) Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Sun, Aug

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2014-08-17 Thread Jojo Iznart
doing a lousy job of looking for it. Please send links or info my way. Jojo - Original Message - From: James Bowery To: vortex-l Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 2:26 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors 1) Areal CAPEX is lower than open ponds

Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-17 Thread James Bowery
- Original Message - *From:* James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2014 2:26 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors 1) Areal CAPEX is lower than open ponds. Specific OPEX, including energy, is well

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2014-08-17 Thread James Bowery
@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2014 2:26 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors 1) Areal CAPEX is lower than open ponds. Specific OPEX, including energy, is well below that required for competition with crude oil. 2) No. The initial installations compete with open

Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-17 Thread James Bowery
- *From:* James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2014 2:26 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors 1) Areal CAPEX is lower than open ponds. Specific OPEX, including energy, is well below that required

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2014-08-17 Thread Jojo Iznart
, 2014 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors Here's the presentation from the European Algae Biomass 2013 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28447217/Algae%20Platform%2024-25%20april%202013-2.pdf I defy you to find comparably detailed information about

Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-17 Thread Jojo Iznart
existing wave pump might provide synergy. Jojo - Original Message - From: James Bowery To: vortex-l Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors Here's the presentation from the European Algae Biomass 2013 https

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2014-08-17 Thread James Bowery
will look at it later. Jojo - Original Message - *From:* James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2014 10:39 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors Here's the presentation from the European Algae

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2014-08-17 Thread James Bowery
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: For instance, might it be possible to integrate the PBRs into my pump floaters. This would significantly increase value and reduce CAPEX. I believe you will find in the vortex-l archives my comment on precisely the

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2014-08-17 Thread James Bowery
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: One specific question. On the slides, there is provision for C02 injection into the photobioreactor. What is the source of this CO2, just atmospheric extraction or sea water extraction? CO2 is presumed available

Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-17 Thread James Bowery
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: No need to be snippy my friend, You were the one who challenged the presentation of information as being inadequate and since billions have been blown on algae cultivation technologies and none of them is as

Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-17 Thread Jojo Iznart
Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors Wave technology scales with length, not area. On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: No need to be snippy my friend, I just want detailed information for an initial go no go decision

Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-17 Thread Jojo Iznart
the waves are so this technology would be incompatible with my needs. Jojo - Original Message - From: James Bowery To: vortex-l Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Jojo

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2014-08-17 Thread James Bowery
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: I understand what you mean, but my system scales with area. It can capture sea state and swell state energy, not just swell energy like some wave systems. So, if the PBRs require low sea state, I guess it won't be

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2014-08-16 Thread Analog Fan
On Thursday, August 14, 2014 6:43 PM, Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: Why would you assume that the investors would have done lousy due diligence? I never assume lousy due diligence. But it is fair to wonder how much diligence they did do. It's indisputable that there is 'dumb

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2014-08-16 Thread James Bowery
As far as I can see there is nothing _but_ dumb money out there. Let me define what I mean: I know of at least one technology that has, since 2009, been waiting on nothing more than about $10M dollars to reduce civilization's ecological footprint by at least a factor of 2 while increasing

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2014-08-16 Thread Jones Beene
Although I agree with your general premise that things do not add up with BLP - a reasonable explanation for owning this facility - and it being on the market now could be fairly mundane. IIRC Mills bought a large aerospace facility maybe a decade ago, for pennies on the dollar (probably it was

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2014-08-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Although I agree with your general premise that things do not add up with BLP - a reasonable explanation for owning this facility - and it being on the market now could be fairly mundane. Google maps shows this to be the

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2014-08-16 Thread mixent
In reply to James Bowery's message of Sat, 16 Aug 2014 14:34:24 -0500: Hi, Indeed. Humans are very risk averse. They are willing to invest large sums in things they are tried and true, even if the promised return is only low, but very unwilling to invest in something completely new, even if the

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2014-08-16 Thread James Bowery
Its worse than that. I've seen Exxon blow $600M on a competing technology that had far less to offer under anything resembling due diligence. The US government has blown billions on the Tokamak over a period of decades despite the founders of the program denouncing it. Then there is the Space

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2014-08-16 Thread Lennart Thornros
Vortex James and mixent. I think you are right in one regard. We are in a rent seeking society. Why? The reason is that we have indoctrinated ourselves to rely on stats, computers and academic wisdom. That is a problem my grand children's children will have to deal with. Credit score is important

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2014-08-16 Thread Jojo Iznart
- From: James Bowery To: Analog Fan Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:34 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors As far as I can see there is nothing _but_ dumb money out there. Let me define what I mean: I know of at least one technology

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2014-08-15 Thread Axil Axil
DGT and Rossi are honest in that they both have little or no idea of what is going on in LENR. BLP has their science all worked out, and all that is required is more money for engineering. I say that BLP has even less of a feel for what they are doing than the rest of their competitors. I all

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2014-08-15 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Axil DGT and Rossi are honest in that they both have little or no idea of what is going on in LENR. BLP has their science all worked out, and all that is required is more money for engineering. I say that BLP has even less of a feel for what they are doing than the rest of their

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2014-08-15 Thread Kevin O'Malley
with risks. Let's give BLP some time and credit shall we? Jojo From: Analog Fan analogit...@yahoo.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors Raising another $11m is an impressive milestone for BLP

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2014-08-14 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: As you can tell from my questions and comments I have a hard time understanding how an electron can become in effect heavier in an atom because of its circulation around a point with no evidence about the stability of

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2014-08-14 Thread Axil Axil
An electron becomes heavier when it is localized( bound ) by a defect in the lattice like a hole or a bump. This is called Anderson localization. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anderson_localization On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: Eric-- What is the

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2014-08-14 Thread Roarty, Francis X
as modifications to the intersection rate between our physical plane and virtual particle passing thru that plane. Fran From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 1:04 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

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2014-08-14 Thread Bob Cook
that plane. Fran From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 1:04 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors Eric-- What is the frame of reference that the electron is relativistic in? Does

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2014-08-14 Thread mixent
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Wed, 13 Aug 2014 20:16:43 -0700: Hi, [snip] On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 3:05 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: However neither exist when an electron is freed from an atom, hence free electrons have no spin, and thus spin is not an intrinsic property of the

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2014-08-14 Thread mixent
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Wed, 13 Aug 2014 20:13:49 -0700: Hi, [snip] On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 2:48 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Why wouldn't the extra energy be lost again when the electron eventually returns to a higher orbital? (Since it would have to escape the strong force

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2014-08-14 Thread Analog Fan
Raising another $11m is an impressive milestone for BLP. But we've seen this before - every few years BLP makes big claims, puts on a demo, does a press release, raises money and then vanishes for a few years until more money is needed. I do wonder how much due diligence these investors did?

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2014-08-14 Thread Jojo Iznart
with risks. Let's give BLP some time and credit shall we? Jojo From: Analog Fan analogit...@yahoo.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors Raising another $11m is an impressive milestone for BLP. But we've seen

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2014-08-14 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:42 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: A metal is an environment where lots of charged bodies are closely packed together. I don't think an electron in such an environment can be truly seen as free. I.e. perhaps electrons in the conduction band actually migrate from one

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2014-08-14 Thread Lennart Thornros
some time and credit shall we? Jojo From: Analog Fan analogit...@yahoo.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors Raising another $11m is an impressive milestone for BLP. But we've seen this before

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2014-08-13 Thread Jones Beene
Should have added this. In the Naudts paper often quoted by Fran Roarty, the author shows that one can make a good argument in favor of a deep fractional ground state: which we can call f/H (the hydrino-state is trademarked) using only the standard theory of relativistic quantum mechanics. Mills

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2014-08-13 Thread Bob Higgins
Jones, Do you have a reference for Naudts' paper? It would be interesting to get Yeong Kim's take on this. Some time ago, he published a paper refuting the existence of any stable f/H state. Eigenvectors, in a linear system, are a complete basis for expansion/description of any driven solution

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2014-08-13 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Higgins Do you have a reference for Naudts' paper? http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0507193v2.pdf It would be interesting to get Yeong Kim's take on this. Some time ago, he published a paper refuting the existence of any stable f/H state. It would also be interesting to get

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2014-08-13 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Higgins However, my understanding (and my differential equations study is many years old) is that with the addition of special relativity effects, the system is no longer linear. Thus, the eigenstates can no longer be used as a complete orthogonal basis for the general solution.

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2014-08-13 Thread Axil Axil
How does Mills know that what he is seeing in his experiments are electrons. They might be muons that obit at very low orbitals. On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: *From:* Bob Higgins However, my understanding (and my differential equations study is

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2014-08-13 Thread ChemE Stewart
Does this mean my aliens farting through a wormhole theory is off the table? On Wednesday, August 13, 2014, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: *From:* Bob Higgins However, my understanding (and my differential equations study is many years old) is that with the addition of special

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2014-08-13 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
Yes, I know about this, but this is only for the deep state, and also this state seam to be attributed to the use of essentially the wave operator that in part is included in klein gordon and mills theory. I have also seen papers that have looked at what happens when the proton is model as a non

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2014-08-13 Thread Axil Axil
*Of course, that same lack of QM expertise could be said about most of the regular posters on this forum (myself for sure – but there could be a lurker or two who is highly qualified, perhaps yourself) but the difference is that we did not take in $120 million over the years, based on a series of

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2014-08-13 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 13 Aug 2014 07:11:56 -0700: Hi, [snip] Should have added this. In the Naudts paper often quoted by Fran Roarty, the author shows that one can make a good argument in favor of a deep fractional ground state: which we can call f/H (the hydrino-state is

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2014-08-13 Thread Axil Axil
Where does the spin of the electron come from? On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 5:13 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 13 Aug 2014 07:11:56 -0700: Hi, [snip] Should have added this. In the Naudts paper often quoted by Fran Roarty, the author shows that one

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2014-08-13 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 13 Aug 2014 11:02:22 -0700: Hi, [snip] However, this deep orbital is only a few Fermi in distance from the nucleus. The electron is relativistic and heavy when it gets there. Coincidentally, the strong force it is 137 times stronger than

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2014-08-13 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 13 Aug 2014 17:35:46 -0400: Hi, Where does the spin of the electron come from? Two different forms of angular momentum. Think of an elliptical orbital. The motion of the electron around the perimeter represents the spin, (s quantum number), rotary motion

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2014-08-13 Thread Kevin O'Malley
That's a pretty good theory, Jones. It upholds many aspects of Occham's Razor. No ZPE, not too much of Mills where he goes off into the weeds, coincidental dark matter 3.7keV gain. Now, if we align up these electrons in such a way that they interact with others like themselves in a 1D chain,

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2014-08-13 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 6:05 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: However neither exist when an electron is freed from an atom, hence free electrons have no spin, and thus spin is not an intrinsic property of the electron. Further, if the orbital electron gives up all spin momentum, it might not

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2014-08-13 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 2:48 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Why wouldn't the extra energy be lost again when the electron eventually returns to a higher orbital? (Since it would have to escape the strong force again.) Electrons don't feel the strong force. (Although are affected by Coulomb

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2014-08-13 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Further, if the orbital electron gives up all spin momentum, it might not be freed but cease to exist entirely! Then we have a charge conservation problem on our hands. Eric

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2014-08-13 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 3:05 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: However neither exist when an electron is freed from an atom, hence free electrons have no spin, and thus spin is not an intrinsic property of the electron. Prove me wrong! (please!) ;) If we say that the s quantum number (aka

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2014-08-13 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 7:11 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: BTW – it has been mentioned here before, that one way to overcome some of the objections to f/H is to view the reduced ground state as transitory, with a short but nontrivial lifetime, and with inherent asymmetry between

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2014-08-13 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: However, this deep [f/H] orbital is only a few Fermi in distance from the nucleus. The electron is relativistic and heavy when it gets there. It's interesting to note that the nuclear radius is not all that special with

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2014-08-13 Thread Bob Cook
Eric-- What is the frame of reference that the electron is relativistic in? Does such a hypothesis consider that the rotation of the pertinent frame of reference is nill. What would be the effect of a spinning frame circulating in the same direction as the electron’s circulation? Would

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2014-08-12 Thread Kevin O'Malley
I do not know whether they are fraudulent because I'm not a police detective and I do not have the power of subpoena. They seem suspicious. I would not do business with them. ***Isn't that a bit sideways, considering that you DID do business with them and they went out of their way not to pay you?

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2014-08-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: I do not know whether they are fraudulent because I'm not a police detective and I do not have the power of subpoena. They seem suspicious. I would not do business with them. ***Isn't that a bit sideways, considering that you DID do business with

Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-12 Thread Daniel Rocha
There are bad mistakes or possibly wrong interpretation. But, I already summarized, people did not seem to care. 2014-08-12 11:10 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Assuming Gamberale's report is accurate, I would say that rises to the level of criminal fraud. I assume it is

Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-11 Thread Jojo Iznart
- From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors I don't have anything to ask. When I wrote I don't make heads or tails of their theory, it's not because I cannot understand because it is too hard or I

Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jojo Iznart jojoiznar...@gmail.com wrote: Why is it that a company like BLP, with a published theory . . . a permanent headquarters and a published schedule and timeline - gets kicked around like frauds Anyone can have a theory. A theory plus $23.25 will get you 36 Hershey Bars at

RE: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-09 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Daniel, Their theory doesn't make sense, not even as a classical approximation. I cannot make heads or tails of anything there. For example, any wave function, time independent, must be a standing wave. If it is a fraction, and you want to enforce this, it will be a sum of many

Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-09 Thread Daniel Rocha
I don't have anything to ask. When I wrote I don't make heads or tails of their theory, it's not because I cannot understand because it is too hard or I missing something in the mumbo jumbo. In fact, what I mean is an euphemism for their theory being not even wrong. What they do is worse than WL

Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-09 Thread Ron Wormus
Auburn University BLP Replication: http://beforeitsnews.com/energy/2014/08/blacklight-power-gets-2-more-validations-more-information-2454992.html Follow the links from the first sentence of the article. --On Saturday, August 09, 2014 12:38 PM -0300 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-09 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 8:09 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: ... I get really tired hearing about all the mathematical and/or experimental evidence complaints coming out of Vortex-L about what someone perceives as a critical and/or fatal flaw concerning

Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-09 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
Their theory doesn't make sense, not even as a classical approximation. I cannot make heads or tails of anything there. For example, any wave function, time independent, must be a standing wave. If it is a fraction, and you want to enforce this, it will be a sum of many waves, possibly

Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-08 Thread Lennart Thornros
I would say that BLP does at least one thing right. Even if the whole estabished society of physisists are opposing LENR and the government is following their lead, there is investment money available. In other words take a better theory and a better demo an money is no longer an issue. I hope he

RE: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-08 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Daniel I am really impressed. He didn't even try to run a half assed demo! He just made some tack tack. And it was so crude that the electrodes were very oxidized in just a few seconds. Many prototypes are the result of scrounging around for whatever you can get your hands on

Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-08 Thread Daniel Rocha
The difference it is that as long as the transistor worked, no matter how short the time, it could work at least as a proof of concept. That thing BLP showed should work for a few hours to show that there is extra heat. Getting peaks from UV to short X-Rays, and even some nuclear reactions, is

Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-08 Thread Axil Axil
BLP demonstrates the value of having a long standing theory to back its research. Something is better than nothing. On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com wrote: I would say that BLP does at least one thing right. Even if the whole estabished society of

Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-08 Thread Daniel Rocha
Their theory doesn't make sense, not even as a classical approximation. I cannot make heads or tails of anything there. For example, any wave function, time independent, must be a standing wave. If it is a fraction, and you want to enforce this, it will be a sum of many waves, possibly infinite.

RE: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-07 Thread Jones Beene
From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson * Randy posted the following statement: On July 31, 2014, BlackLight Power closed on $11 M in private equity financing that was oversubscribed by $1 M. Yup, pretty clear that the last

RE: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-07 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Jones sez: ... RIP. SunCell. we hardly knew ya' Don't divide the bear before it's been kilt. ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-07 Thread Daniel Rocha
I am really impressed. He didn't even try to run a half assed demo! He just made some tack tack. And it was so crude that the electrodes were very oxidized in just a few seconds. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com