Two words folks IMPULSE CONTROL
Pretend the 'SEND' button doesn't work for this thread anymore, eh?
-j
If the goal is a combination of stability and instability that is a
disgusting mix
of opportunism and pragmatism.
Nope - it's called life.
P.
At 11:53 PM 8/21/2006 -0500, you wrote:
Philip Winestone wrote:
H I didn't say that meaningful change only happens through
violence.
On 8/22/06, thomas malloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
Until the return of the king, there
will be war.
I thought OBL *was* the Mahdi (Maud'Dib).
Terry
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From: Philip Winestone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products
If the goal is a combination of stability and instability that is a
disgusting mix
of opportunism and pragmatism.
Nope - it's called life.
==
Exactly so
thomas malloy wrote:
That depends on how you look at it. Until the return of the king,
there will be war.
Apparently you believe that war is inevitable. Do you suppose it is
inevitable that the people from Georgia will again go to war against
the people in Pennsylvania, or that Germany,
Mike Carrell wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Philip Winestone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products
If the goal is a combination of stability and instability that is a
disgusting mix
of opportunism and pragmatism.
Nope - it's called life
- Original Message -
From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products
Mike Carrell wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Philip Winestone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products
If the goal is a combination of stability
Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products
Mike Carrell wrote:
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From: Philip Winestone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products
If the goal is a combination of stability and instability that is a
disgusting mix
of opportunism
You know nothing whatsoever about myself or my life, so you're making
some pretty drastic assumptions. In short, you're out of line.
P.
At 01:49 PM 8/22/2006 -0500, you wrote:
Philip Winestone wrote:
If the goal is a combination of stability and instability that is a
disgusting mix
of
Jed Rothwell and later Terry, wrote:
thomas malloy wrote:
That depends on how you look at it. Until the return of the king,
there will be war.
Apparently you believe that war is inevitable.
It's begun.
Do you suppose it is inevitable that the people from Georgia will
again go to war
No, I'm unstable.
Harry
Philip Winestone wrote:
You know nothing whatsoever about myself or my life, so you're making
some pretty drastic assumptions. In short, you're out of line.
P.
At 01:49 PM 8/22/2006 -0500, you wrote:
Philip Winestone wrote:
If the goal is a combination
John Steck wrote the following to show what helpful chaps those noble,
cuddly generous Yanks are:-
Who's aircraft carriers will show
up at the next tsunami to provide medial assistance and clean water? Who
will cover the $27B USD shells out ever year in financial aid?
Nick Palmer wrote
:the news that they were looking to convert a Segway into a mobile
machine gun platform. It struck me that this was beating ploughshares
into swords - not a particularly Christian act from a country whose
President claims he talks to God...
That depends on how you look at
Philip Winestone wrote:
H I didn't say that meaningful change only happens through
violence. If you read that into my note, you're simply reading your own
fantasies...
When people say a stable world it could mean many things. I deliberately
spoke about scientific dogma, as this
to retype what has already been typed go
read the frigg'n archive yourself.
-j
---Original Message-
From: Nick Palmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 5:26 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products
It was only the stupid, under-educated over
In reply to John Steck's message of Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:23:16
-0500:
Hi,
[snip]
Iraq is nothing more than *basic* military positioning to protect energy
interests in the region. Period. Anyone who wants to make it anything more
than that is either ignorant, naive, or a self-loathing masochist.
Kyle - read John Berry's post. Be ashamed of being American. If you're not,
then it is people like you who are the problem that needs solving.
Kyle wrote:-
Would you prefer the nice red-black-white swastika as your flag
instead of your current one?
America only really came in when it seemed
Currently, America and Israel are the greatest threats to world stability
with China a fair way behind. Elements of power in both America and Israel
have still got this Us first, and only us mentality.
So if the Israelis had lit a big bonfire and destroyed their arms in 1948,
1956, 1967,
Philip Winestone wrote:-
...accurate TV portrayal of the base character of too many
Americans... Now there's an interesting oxymoron - accurate TV
portrayal. You need to get out and see life a little more.
The sister of my step son's wife has just come out of the British Army after
serving
Nick Palmer wrote:
In the sixties the opposition used to say my country, right or
wrong - when right, to be kept right - when wrong, to be put right.
The 1860s, you mean. That is a quote from Carl Schurz (1829-1906), a
German revolutionary, a U.S. reformer and a Union general in the Civil
Philip Winestone wrote:
The stability you talk about is the same kind of stability that you get
when dogma - scientific or otherwise - rules. It's the stability of the
grazing herd. Nothing of value is accomplished through this kind of
deadness.
Propaganda.
Do you think meaningful
H I didn't say that meaningful change only happens through
violence. If you read that into my note, you're simply reading your own
fantasies...
When people say a stable world it could mean many things. I deliberately
spoke about scientific dogma, as this scientific stability, is,
Kyle wrote:-
If it gets so far gone that we have had
Islamic radicals detonate nuclear weapons on our (American) soil, hopefully
someone will have the guts to retaliate massively. Or, to clarify, nuke
the whole bloody place
It's not a place so you can't target it, Kyle. It's an idea. There are
Original Message -
From: John Berry
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products
I am sort of against the war at this point
Bright chap eh? ;)
I prefer the dark myself.
Your 'sort of' against the war at this point? I
War, killing, fighting isn't Americas solution to everything no matter how much you and much of the US seems to think that it is.The US spends more on defense than all other countries combined even though the next biggest are allies of the US.
The US has military bases in oh so mant other
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From: Nick Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 6:25 AM
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products
I'm snipping most of this as it is not really worth the effort
Currently, America and Israel are the greatest threats
- Original
Message - From: "Nick Palmer" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: vortex-l@eskimo.comSent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 6:25
AMSubject: [SPAM] Re: [Vo]: New Segway ProductsI'm snipping
most of this as it is not really worth the effort Currently,
America and Israel are the greatest threats
In reply to Kyle R. Mcallister's message of Thu, 17 Aug 2006
19:14:28 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Oh and it seems it will cost 1-2 trillion dollars.
A pity. This could have been used to both:
1. Solve our addiction to foreign oil
2. Fund a much less expensive but far more aggressive war against Islamic
- Original Message -
From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products
Harry Veeder wrote:
snip
A mainly capitalist world is what America wants is it not?
Ah, that nasty word capitalist. It has a different meaning to European
intellectuals than
Howdy Richard,
Regarding your recent comments to Mike, specifically:
...
The poor dumb Muslim nations are so far back in the mire
of the 6th century that they know they are being used by
big petro but they dont know what to do about it except
blow themselves up attempting to get even.
Mike Carrell wrote:
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From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products
Harry Veeder wrote:
snip
A mainly capitalist world is what America wants is it not?
Ah, that nasty word capitalist. It has a different meaning to European
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From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products
..and exactly why do you think the suicide bombers feel that it
is worth giving up their lives?
Because, if you
LOL!!! Kyle - you're not Mark Steyn's ghost writer are you?
P.
At 08:36 PM 8/16/2006 -0400, you wrote:
Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products
[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 8:50 PMSubject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products ..and exactly why do you think the suicide bombers feel that it is worth giving up their lives?Because, if you decided to put them up to most standards of psychology, they
are crazy
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From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products
Wrong. Both Jews and Christians *are* doing these things too. The
only difference is that the Muslims don't have
In reply to Kyle R. Mcallister's message of Tue, 15 Aug 2006
18:08:48 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
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From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products
Wrong. Both Jews and Christians
On 8/15/06, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
America lost about 3000 people in the WTC.
This is how many your bombing killed in Iraq:-
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- Original Message -
From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products
Mike Carrell wrote:
The accusation that the US is acting as colonial power in the Iraq
conflict
is a bit glib. I submit that one general problem that the US has in the
world
Mike Carrell wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products
Mike Carrell wrote:
The accusation that the US is acting as colonial power in the Iraq
conflict
is a bit glib. I submit that one general problem
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:55:57
-0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Just wait. We haven't even *begun* to play cowboys and moslems yet. eg
Then don't cry a poor mouth when they do the same.
Of course, *your* government is guilt free:
I never said the Australian government was
In reply to Kyle R. Mcallister's message of Sun, 13 Aug 2006
11:27:48 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
In order to legitimize their special brew of hatred these fascists and
extremist have hijacked the local religion. Any religion will do. It's just
that typically it's the one they grew up in that that gets
Mike Carrell wrote:
The accusation that the US is acting as colonial power in the Iraq conflict
is a bit glib. I submit that one general problem that the US has in the
world is that we have no real taste for Empire.
The US out-sourced the task of running an empire.
Harry
Terry Blanton wrote:
On 8/11/06, Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We need to use our creativity to explore another way.
That's easy:
1) Make energy free.
2) Eliminate religion.
It's only the path which is in question.
Terry
Make free energy a part of every religion?
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From: OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products
I can sympathize with your sense of outrage. However, are you willing to
acknowledge the sense of outrage that also exists
Kyle,
You can accuse me of not reading your previous post as thoroughly as you wish I
had done. Perhaps there is some truth to that.
So, you are a practical no-nonsense type of guy. I'm drawn to the following
no-nonsense comments:
If you feel it will be productive to get in touch with
Sorry - Kyle is doing such a good job that I hate to interrupt... But I see
the use of the word outrage once again.
The word outrage is probably one of the most prolific words in use these
days, and frankly, I'm tired of it. If you (I assume), Kyle (permit me) or
myself have a bone to pick
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From: OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products aka: Why We Fight
snip my previous comments
...solve the problem more elegantly and completely The ultimate
solution? Hasn't
Edmund Storms wrote:
The idea of good guys and bad guys in war is useless and distracting
to what is actually happening. War is a means to gain power over
others. War no longer makes a distinction between those who are
fighting and those who are not.
It no longer makes such a distinction?
Yes, as you point out so well, the killing of anyone on the other side
started with WWII. This was done because it became possible to do, not
because any attitude had changed. Although bombs can be better
targeted, this does not mean anyone is trying to save noncombatants.
The bombs are just
solar cells, wind power or biomass burning for example. Have
you quantified this in your prospective work?
Michel
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From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway
of Clergy. In it, he addresses a problem - a
state-of-mind - that's all too common these days.
P.
At 10:56 PM 8/11/2006 -0400, you wrote:
- Original Message
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From: Philip Winestone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, August 11, 2006 8:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products
Israel is only
Ed Storms wrote:
...we go on supporting people who insist that war is
necessary because it is very profitable for them
Philip Winestone wrote:
This makes the assumption that we're all too dumb to see
through this ...
Hi Everyone,
How dumb are we? Has it occurred to any of us that the
Michel Jullian wrote:
Talking about Cold Fusion and climate, it just occurred to me that unlimited
cheap energy of non solar origin for the masses will necessarily promote
global warming . . .
I do not think so. I did some checking on this, although not exhastive. I think
this is not a
Philip Winestone wrote:
Israel is only rich because it is supported by the US and donations,
and it has harvested brain power from all over the world.
Now that's what I call a rich statement. Can you explain it so that
mere mortals like myself can understand it?
Well, hopefully without
It certainly is YOUR history of Israel... Quite a fairy-tale.
And as for: Unfortunately, this required stealing land and homes from the
people who lived in Palestine where Israel was to be located. Ah - these
Jews; always stealing things from people... Tut, tut.
Perhaps you should read a
My $0.51 (adjusted for inflation and rising energy costs):
1. I think the matter of who stole what land from who to make who's nation
is a moot point from a serious point of view. Israel is a free,
industrialized technological nation. They have a large number of scientists
and do not fly
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:20:59
-0400:
Hi,
[snip]
As a US
Army general said the other day regarding Iraq, they have to choose
whether they love their children more than they hate their
neighbor. So far, they have chosen hate. But that may change. You
never know
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Sat, 12 Aug 2006 12:24:17
-0600:
Hi,
[snip]
So, the question is, what can we do about the situation? This just
might be a question worth considering before it is too late.
Redirect US foreign aid normally destined for Israel to the
reconstruction of
Kyle R. Mcallister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cutting to the chase, here.
...
I am sick and tired of this self hate. The people over here living cushy
nice lives while badmouthing the self-same nation that lets them enjoy that
life are the ones who should be driven into the deep blue
On 8/11/06, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can this gadget tell who is bad, and who is innocent?
Just shoots the ones in black hats.
A problem for the Israelis in Lebanon, innit?
The software package was quite interesting. It integrated 30,000
combat elements including UAVs and
The idea of good guys and bad guys in war is useless and distracting to
what is actually happening. War is a means to gain power over others.
War no longer makes a distinction between those who are fighting and
those who are not. Both are killed with equal intensity, although it is
still
On 8/11/06, Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We need to use our creativity to explore another way.
That's easy:
1) Make energy free.
2) Eliminate religion.
It's only the path which is in question.
Terry
Terry Blanton wrote:
On 8/11/06, Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We need to use our creativity to explore another way.
That's easy:
1) Make energy free.
Unfortunately, free energy would not solve the problem. Free energy
would mean the Middle Eastern countries would be even
On 8/11/06, Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Free energy
would mean the Middle Eastern countries would be even poorer than they
presently are.
This was not intended to be an epistemological thread; however, since
you ask, free energy means no one is poor and no one is rich. All men
are
Edmund Storms wrote:
Unfortunately, free energy would not solve the problem. Free energy
would mean the Middle Eastern countries would be even poorer than
they presently are.
Probably, but that will be their choice, and the outcome will be their fault.
The countries have long since
The idea of good guys and bad guys in war is useless and distracting to
what is actually happening...
I believe statements such as that are distracting. At its simplest, if one
person is an aggressor and starts a fight, Nature has decreed that the
intended victim fights back, and if
Israel is only rich because it is supported by the US and donations, and
it has harvested brain power from all over the world.
Now that's what I call a rich statement. Can you explain it so that mere
mortals like myself can understand it?
P.
At 02:56 PM 8/11/2006 -0600, you wrote:
Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The idea of good guys and bad guys in war is useless and
distracting to what is actually happening. War is a means to
gain power over others. War no longer makes a distinction
between those who are fighting and those who are not. Both
are killed
- Original Message -
From: Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products
The idea of good guys and bad guys in war is useless and distracting to
what is actually happening. War is a means to gain power over others. War
no longer makes a distinction between
- Original Message -
From: OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Vo]: New Segway Products
I just posted a response to Ed's remarks, and now I wish to comment on
Steve's thoughtful observations. I will snip both for brevity.
The accusation that the US is acting as colonial
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