RE: Practical application for BLP technology
Keith Nagel responded; Hi Thomas, you write: I find it odd that BLP ignored me. Why? Can you explain to the rest of us why you think he should take your offer seriously? You don't know who I am, I might be talking to an established company with a group of wealthy investors. Have you ever done any contract work for the military? No and as I understand it, compliance with their byzantine regulations is a full time job for at least one person Do you have sufficient money and experience to run a start up? No, I'm a broker, my hobby is finding new technology that has economic potential. The amount of capital would have to be figured out when writing the business plan. When you write, I suggested using hydrinos to harden the interior of cannon barrels. do you have any idea how you would actually apply the described technology to achieve your stated result? No, but neither has anyone else. We have lots of engineers here who are looking for work. Then Harry Veeder posted; Unlike the emergence of modern science, I don't think the emerging post-modern science is looking for affirmation from the military. ;-) You seem to feel that there is something dirty about making sure that the people who are defending me have the very best equipment available. I don't. Getting back to my original comment about finding Randall's behavior odd. When it comes to practical applications, this is as simple as it gets. It solves a problem that I know the military is having, and one of the claims on the website was super hard steel. Is it cost effective? I have no idea. But that's not what really bothers me about this. About two years ago they had a picture of a three necked flask with a beautiful purple glow in it. They said that is was producing so many watts per CC, it was the equivalent of an internal combustion engine. If they had a reactor that would produce that much energy, don't you think that they would be marketing it? Maybe I'm being a cynic, but I smell BS.
Re: Practical application for BLP technology
thomas malloy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith Nagel responded; Hi Thomas, you write: I find it odd that BLP ignored me. Why? Can you explain to the rest of us why you think he should take your offer seriously? You don't know who I am, I might be talking to an established company with a group of wealthy investors. Have you ever done any contract work for the military? No and as I understand it, compliance with their byzantine regulations is a full time job for at least one person Do you have sufficient money and experience to run a start up? No, I'm a broker, my hobby is finding new technology that has economic potential. The amount of capital would have to be figured out when writing the business plan. When you write, I suggested using hydrinos to harden the interior of cannon barrels. do you have any idea how you would actually apply the described technology to achieve your stated result? No, but neither has anyone else. We have lots of engineers here who are looking for work. Then Harry Veeder posted; Unlike the emergence of modern science, I don't think the emerging post-modern science is looking for affirmation from the military. ;-) You seem to feel that there is something dirty about making sure that the people who are defending me have the very best equipment available. I don't. Killing and destroying are not sterile. Harry
Re: Explosive Antimony, What The Heck is Going On?
http://www.lateralscience.co.uk/Fluorine/exant.html http://www.lateralscience.co.uk/Fluorine/Sb.html " Yellow or alpha-antimony is formed when antimony hydride SbH3 is treated with ozonized O2 at - 90 C: 4 SbH3 + 3 O2 --- 4 Sb + 6 H2O. This passes to black antimony on exposure to light. It is not clear whether or not black antimony is an intermediate form between alpha and beta-antimony. The metastable variety is said to be made by the rapid cooling of antimony vapour. Under these conditions an amorphous black powder is obtained with a specific gravity 5.3. This variety slowly passes into rhombohedral antimony at 100 degrees and rapidly at 400 degrees Gore (1855) found that if a current of electricity is passed through a solution of antimony trichloride in hydrochloric acid---using an antimony anode, and a platinum cathode---an amorphous powder of specific gravity of 5.78 is deposited on the cathode. The cathode has the appearance of a smooth polished graphite rod. The deposit appears to be solid solution of antimony trichloride in metastable alpha-antimony. If this deposit be rubbed or scratched, an explosion occurs The explosion is attended by the allotropic transformation of then metastable or alpha-form of antimony into the stable beta-form or the rhombohedral variety, at the same time the temperature rises to about 250 degrees C, and 19,600 calories of heat are evolved per gram of antimony. Clouds of antimony trichloride are given off at the same time. Hence the term Explosive Antimony is given to a solid solution( 4 to 12 percent )of the trihalide in alpha-antimony." The heat of combustion of H2 + 1/2 O2 is 54,000 calories per mole (18 grams) , or 3.000 calories per gram The 19,600 calories per gram released by Explosive Antimony is over 6 times this. What role does Hydrogen play at the cathode, during electrolysis? LENR-CANR Connection? Hydrinos too? Frederick
Re: Higher Order Conservation Laws of Motion.
In the very first post of this thread I used two URLs from TinyURL.com pointing to a couple of diagrams on my Beta-atmosphere Yahoo web-site. Though I tested them and they worked originally, it would appear that Yahoo have a dynamic system for referring to their group files and consequently the TINY URL's work no longer. I apologise to any Vortexians who might have been frustrated by this dock-up and I have now put the diagrams on my own web site. I have copied the original post below together with the updated URLs. Cheers Frank Grimer === At 07:20 pm 22-02-05 +, I wrote: In previous posts the idea of a series of increasing orders of derivatives of length with respect to time has been chewed over. It will be helpful to recapitulate the discussion by using excepts from the Vortex archives. On the subject of imagining what these derivative mean physically, we have. ...Funny you should say that, Richard, because I've been pondering how one could physically visualize high order derivatives of distance with respect to time. dL/dT ..VELOCITY ...moving scenery - no problem d2L/dT2 ACCELERATION ...being pushed back in ones seat as the plane takes off - no problem d3L/dt3 JERKMmm..more difficult - being hit over the head with a bottle perhaps? d4L/dT4 JOUNCE..I have no feeling whatsoever for this or high derivatives. But the failure to visualise these higher order derivative is because I am thinking in terms of straight line motion. If I think instead in terms of circular motion, or better still, helical motions, then things become very much easier. If I allow myself to be pinned to the wall of a fairground centrifuge then I can experience being pushed back in my seat on a continuous basis. By imposing a circular motion on this circular motion to form an open vortex helix I can visualize the next derivative, though I am well past the age where I would want to experience it - and so on - and so forth. On the topic of visualisation Keith Nagel wrote, == Also, you mentioned Jerk and Jounce ( sounds like a b-list rap group ). I've also puzzled over the physical meaning of these terms. It's rather like trying to imagine higher dimensional shapes. One dimension up is about all I can muster, which in this case is Jerk. Standing on a carousel, with the speed increasing and decreasing sinusoidally, ought to do it. Perhaps a better term would be projectile vomiting rather than jerk, huh??? (grin). == The discussion then wandered off into considering the outcome of experiments with coil-coils and coil-coil coils - and a host of other topics - as discussions on Vortex frequently do g - which is, of course, one of the delights of the Group. One is not artificially constrained to narrowly keep to the point. 8-) I can now see another way of visualizing the higher order differentials but before doing that I would like to state something I have realised in relation to the conservation laws. We have:- === SYMBOL DERIVATIVE PROPERTY CONSERVED dL/dt velocitymomentum yes d2L/dt3acceleration energy yes d3L/dt3 jerk angular acceleration yes d4L/dt4 jounce rate of change Err...? of ang.acc. d5L/dt5 Err...? RoC of RoCErr...? of ang.acc. .... ... ... dnL/dtn ... === It has become increasingly clear to me that each derivative is associated with a conservation law of its own. In short there are an indefinitely large numbers of conservation laws of motion. The reason we fail to see this is that we are hag ridden by Cartesian Geometry and its unbounded x, y and z dimensions. The coil-coil...coil visualization discussed previously on Vortex avoided this trap because it implicitly involved upper and lower bounds to the size of the coils. It is interesting to note that the calculus also avoids the Cartesian trap by not associating length with the Cartesian space. The calculus allows us to have any number of independent dimensions since no finite amount of the (n+1)th derivative will give us a nth derivative.
Re: Notes from Scientific American
Terry Blanton recommended: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html That's great! I love this part: . . . experimentally showing that A doesn't interbreed with B doesn't preclude both interbreeding with C. This gets even more complicated in groups that don't have nice, straightforward sexes. I would add: . . . such as people. What I like about biology is that there are no rules without exceptions. It is much more fun than physics. - Jed
Re: Incredible battery and TOE
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In 1917, to promote wartime production, the government stepped in and forced all patent holders to accept a standard fee, so that any manufacturer could get free access to the technology. I imagine something similar would happen with the Mills device. ...and how does that differ from When the amount gets that high, the technology is simply stolen, the theft swept under the rug, and obscured by legal niceties. ? I do not know the details of the 1917 agreement, but the industry leaders did not complain. Orville Wright was retired from active business by that time, but he would have said something in his authorized biography if that agreement had bothered him. He complained endlessly about the actions of the Smithsonian in the years after the war. (The Wrights were famous for holding a grudge.) The standard fee was moderate, but the number of airplanes being manufactured for the wartime emergency was far higher than anyone ever anticipated. Wright later said that in his wildest imagination he never thought that thousands of airplanes would be manufactured in a single year. His business model, and the model of his competitors, anticipated making a few hundred airplanes a year for rich playboys. It had to be radically revised for mass production. Even in the new regulated environment, people continued to make gobs of money with patents for airplane components and innovations. I do not think you can say the patent rights were stolen. They were adjusted to fit reality. Mills and his ideas badly need similar adjustments. - Jed
Re: Incredible battery and TOE
- Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk Jones, you are no slouch yourself. Why not give Mills a hand, and do your own hydrino reactor design, and send it to him, no strings attached? I would be happy to do this, if he would provide some detail about the rate of hydrino formation for the highly shrunken variety, using the wet Thermacore process. The highest and best use for hydrinos, IF they do undergo shrinkage to 1/137 or thereabouts would certainly be as makeup neutrons in subcritical scheme. I'm sure you recognize this, and at some level Mills must also, but publicly he has marginalized full-shrinkage because of the obvious jeopardy to his marketing goals. In fact, the best reason - that anyone knowledgeable about the circumstances can suggest - as to why the Thermacore technique did not go commercial relates to nuclear activation of the reactor. This problem is actually *to be expected* for the wet process, and is likely why Mills abandoned such - but that problem can be made into an BIG advantage in fission, especially using heavy water and electrodes of zirconium or graphite. It is only common sense, once you remove the layers of rhetoric, political maneuvering and double-talk... inasmuch as the neutron multiplication ratio for even a modest size piece of fully reflected uranium carbide is over 100:1 and the energy available per fission is over 200 MeV. Consequently, for every shrunken hydrino, one can get 20 GeV instead of a total of about 1 MeV or a whopping 20,000-to-one ratio per hydrino for energy multiplication using fission. It's a no-brainer. I have mentioned this more than once on vortex. You are the only one who openly recognizes this potential, other than possible employees of BLP who aren't talking... and possibly a few clever bureaucrats in Asia or Europe. But it is impossible to proceed on a subcritical fission design without important details on the rate of shrinkage, etc. and Mills has offered no help, and it seems clear from Mike's recent post, that Mills will NOT be inclined to ever offer any evidence, not the least bit it seems, which would suggest to the NRC or the Sierra Club that the reaction is ultimately nuclear; nor that it can and should be used as an adjunct to a nuclear fission scheme. This is a *political decision,* on his part, especially in the US. Fortunately, he may not have the last word on this implementation. As mentioned earlier, there is a strong and broad WPO patent issued to Arie de Geuss which precedes Mills and would have worldwide precedence for fission implementation, should anyone want to attempt it - which is for hydrino formation using Lithium or Be as catalyst. And 7Li or Be are the only catalysts which makes sense for use in fission reactor, using a heavy water 'wet electrolysis' process. According to de Geuss's paper, either of them produce hydrinos, but can his research be trusted? He is a loner without resources, and has not been heard from recently. Like Mills, he claims independent verification of hydrinos. Mills does not even acknowledge his existence. Unlike 6Li, the heavier isotope of lithium has a low cross-section for thermal neutrons and is a waste product of weaponry, and 'could be' obtained cheaply in certain regions. Beryllium is not cheap. If you are a nation, such as China, India, South Africa, Russia or France with both a nuclear weapons program and a nuclear power industry, then 7Li is perfect and it can be used in a heavy water based wet electrochemical reaction, ala the Thermacore process (which uses potassium - but K is not suitable for use in a reactor core). Perhaps someone in Europe or Asia will license from de Geuss and by-pass Mills and go for the fission implementation. Perhaps you should promote this for Australia. Perhaps de Geuss will give up and let his patent lapse. In any case, someone outside the US should; and probably will try to do this eventually. It would be right down the alley for Mitsubishi, for instance, except for the extraneous financial problems which they are having. Once again, it seems the US is poised to loose a technological lead that it could have enjoyed, had not extraneous political considerations entered into the picture. I see another post coming through now from Richard with the same conclusion. Hey isn't Wi-Fi great? I'm doing this posting totally wireless while enjoying a cafe latte and lots of highly caffeinated chatter. The US does have magic technology, the only problem is, we also have politicians who have other concerns than the long-term welfare of the average worker, who do need some of the manufacturing jobs we are exporting, some of which pay less than barista here makes, but that is a short -sighted decision based on paper value... which costs Sam almost nothing to print. Jones
Re: Explosive Antimony, What The Heck is Going On?
--- On Thu 02/24, Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clouds of antimony trichloride are given off at the same time. Hence the term Explosive Antimony is given to a solid solution( 4 to 12 percent )of the trihalide in alpha-antimony. The heat of combustion of H2 + 1/2 O2 is 54,000 calories per mole (18 grams) , or 3.000 calories per gram. The 19,600 calories per gram released by Explosive Antimony is over 6 times this. What role does Hydrogen play at the cathode, during electrolysis? LENR-CANR Connection? Hydrinos too? Good question. Of course, we don't know if this is O/U as there is no data on the current used to deposit the antimony on the cathode. For those of you who read the stuff on the lateralscience site and are wondering what plumbago is, it's the archaic name for graphite. Antimony and it various allotropes have an interesting history. Making the Star Regulus of Antimony a stellated crytalline allotrope, was apparently a graduation project for alchemists before going on the the serious work of transmuting base metals into gold. Isaac Newton spent a lot of time messing around with this stuff. See: http://www.levity.com/alchemy/markh_1.html M. ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!
France and Belgium to study transmutation
Dear all, France and Belgium to study transmutation (...) opening the door to a new treatment for radioactive waste. http://www.neimagazine.com/story.asp?sectioncode=132storyCode=2026967 I think it's interesting that they're now also working on nuclear waste remediation with conventional methods. Does anybody have information about the process they use? I don't understand it from reading these words. Best Haiko
Re: DoE LIES AGAIN!!! -- LENR-CANR goes postal
That was supposed to say: Ed said he wanted BOLD inflammatory headlines *and* this is what we came up with. [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice input. - Jed
RE: Explosive Antimony, What The Heck is Going On?
Hey Fred, That website you posted is very entertaining! I have a small collection of ancient chemistry and recipe books, always great fun to read. The exploding antimony thing was explained to me as being due to the energy stored in the electroforming process; but your speculation is provocative. I've never tried this experiment, can someone who has tell us the impedence relation so we can calculate the input energy? I suppose we could use 2 volts as an upper limit if the process is reasonably efficient, but I remember the guy who told me about this suggested that it took several days to build up a substantial quantity of the allotrope. From that I gather that the voltage very quickly gets over the water breakdown voltage? K. -Original Message- From: Frederick Sparber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 5:02 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Explosive Antimony, What The Heck is Going On? http://www.lateralscience.co.uk/Fluorine/exant.html http://www.lateralscience.co.uk/Fluorine/Sb.html Yellow or alpha-antimony is formed when antimony hydride SbH3 is treated with ozonized O2 at - 90 C: 4 SbH3 + 3 O2 --- 4 Sb + 6 H2O. This passes to black antimony on exposure to light. It is not clear whether or not black antimony is an intermediate form between alpha and beta-antimony. The metastable variety is said to be made by the rapid cooling of antimony vapour. Under these conditions an amorphous black powder is obtained with a specific gravity 5.3. This variety slowly passes into rhombohedral antimony at 100 degrees and rapidly at 400 degrees Gore (1855) found that if a current of electricity is passed through a solution of antimony trichloride in hydrochloric acid---using an antimony anode, and a platinum cathode---an amorphous powder of specific gravity of 5.78 is deposited on the cathode. The cathode has the appearance of a smooth polished graphite rod. The deposit appears to be solid solution of antimony trichloride in metastable alpha-antimony. If this deposit be rubbed or scratched, an explosion occurs The explosion is attended by the allotropic transformation of then metastable or alpha-form of antimony into the stable beta-form or the rhombohedral variety, at the same time the temperature rises to about 250 degrees C, and 19,600 calories of heat are evolved per gram of antimony. Clouds of antimony trichloride are given off at the same time. Hence the term Explosive Antimony is given to a solid solution( 4 to 12 percent ) of the trihalide in alpha-antimony. The heat of combustion of H2 + 1/2 O2 is 54,000 calories per mole (18 grams) , or 3.000 calories per gram The 19,600 calories per gram released by Explosive Antimony is over 6 times this. What role does Hydrogen play at the cathode, during electrolysis? LENR-CANR Connection? Hydrinos too? Frederick
RE: Practical application for BLP technology
Hi Thomas, you write: You don't know who I am, I might be talking to an established company with a group of wealthy investors. Well this is your opportunity to impress us. If you are representing an established company, tell us the name of the company. Basic due dilligence would require at least that much; right now the only organization I can find you connected with is these folks, http://www.nazareneisrael.org/fellowships.asp not a hotbed of technology development... For a benchmark, consider Mark Goldes. He does exactly what you claim, and certainly isn't shy about promoting Magnetic Power Inc. So tell us more about the company you represent, and what it does. K.
Re: Practical application for BLP technology
Tom wrote: snip But that's not what really bothers me about this. About two years ago they had a picture of a three necked flask with a beautiful purple glow in it. Images of the thermal reactor are still available on the 'Cell' page of the website. They said that is was producing so many watts per CC, it was the equivalent of an internal combustion engine. No, not that reactor. The claim for energy density equivalent to an IC engine was made for the reactor using microwave ionization of a rarefied mixture of H and He gases. The volume of the reaction space was about 3 cc, and the claim based on estimates of the total energy output based on some rough calorimetry estimates. Variations on that rector have been used in an umber of experiments, including the water bath calorimetry by the BLP team and by Phillips Chen at the University of New Mexico. For one particular run, the energy vield from the hydrogen fuel was calcuated to be 100X that of combustionof the same hydrogen. If they had a reactor that would produce that much energy, don't you think that they would be marketing it? Maybe I'm being a cynic, but I smell BS. And I smell a lack of careful study and understanding of the experiments, which were well described on the website. Every report is not a tutorial, and one has to have some background in physics to understand what is plainly written and its implications. I will try to summarize why they are not marketing it in the sense Tom wants, but I am quite certain they are earnestly promoting it to major corporations with the money to develop and market devices. The reaction took place in a 3cc volume of gas at about 1/1000 atmospheric pressure. The gas was a mixture of 95% He and 5% H2, flowing slowly through the reaction zone. The primary energy output from the reaction is deep ultraviolet light, which is not directly much use for energy production. The UV is absorbed by the quartx reactor tube, which gets hot --- inside the microwave cavity. It isn't easy to couple that heat to the outside world without redesigning the cavity, a separate engineering project. It isn't obvious that making it 10 times as big will help; scaleup has to be done in small steps. There was a lot of support equipment: a laboratory microwave generator, a vacuum pump, gas tanks, instruments, etc. Energy density is not power output. If you want kilowatts, you might need dozens of small reactors, microwave cavities, etc. That's not very marketable. Further, the catalyst is He, a gas in limited supply, which in the laboratory test is simply wasted, escaping back into the atmosphere. in a commercial system this could not be tolerated, so you have to a) collect the resultant hydrinos, a valuable chemical, and conserve the He catalysit, which is not simple at all. The microwave reactor has been shown to work with plain H2O as a source of H and O++, a catalyst, so in principle one could afford to let it flow out of the system. However, with tap or pond or ocean water, contaminants may kill the reaction, s you have to first purify or distill it, taking more energy. None of these problems are insoluble, but they have to be solved before any kind of a commercially viable system can be marketed. These are the jobs for a development team funded by an industrial partner. or, nay amateur with the necessary skills and money can start right now and follow Mills' path. Mike Carrell
RE: DoE LIES AGAIN!!! -- LENR-CANR goes postal
Hey Jed, I see you're adjusting the site to red state tastes (grin). This should prove very interesting to watch... K. -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 1:57 PM To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: DoE LIES AGAIN!!! -- LENR-CANR goes postal See: http://lenr-canr.org/ Ed said he wanted BOLD inflammatory headlines of this is what we came up with. This is a break with our New York Times style of presentation. - Jed
Re: Incredible battery and TOE
Mike, The last time I talked to Mills, several years ago, he said he was about a factor of 4 away from a closed loop. ...and a 1000 fold improvement from fusion would put him over the top by a factor of 250. How? We seem to be talking past each other here. The alternative to a Mills' hydrino plasma cell is not deuterino plasma cell boosted by a D+D nuclear reaction, although that is quite a boost. You seem to be forgetting about the neutron multiplication ratio of subcritical uranium fission. In fission, each neutron absorbed in the fuel has the potential to create 2.2 -2.5 or so new neutrons, depending on enrichment. This can continue for many sequential steps or generations. Losses can keep this under two in a subcritical reactor. A chain reaction occurs when this is over two. In between, in the subcritical zone, there is a multiplication ratio, based on may factors. It can be very high, using even a small amount of natural uranium - when a thick graphite blanket is provided and there is no light water, only heavy water. With a thick blanket of graphite over 99 of every 100 neutrons going out, comes back eventually. All the losses are then in the fuel. A multiplication ratio of 100-to-1 is feasible with a few hundred pounds of U and a thick graphite blanket. Each fission releases 200 MeV of mass/energy. ERGO for each 1/137 neutrino absorbed, which Mills has said in past versions of CQM is the expected end-point of shrinkage, assuming this acts like a regular neutron and there is no reason why it would not, the energy boost, using fission, can be 20,000 to one not 1000 to one. If a deuterino is used, it is double that. If you want to argue that a hydrino might not act that way, then we will assume that we will be using heavy water - and again we are back to the 20,000 to one ratio of energy multiplication using subcritical fission. Mills in early work basically agreed with this premise, and called it CAF or something like that... now he is down-playing it. He can't have it both ways. A deuterino does not act any differently with Uranium than with another deuterino. This **subcritical fission** application is extremely significant. And it is not speculation. Someone will pull it off eventually, and if it is not Mills, then he will probably not benefit, because of the de Geuss patent priority for lithium/beryllium catalyst which is an already granted WPO patent, not a patent applied-for. Jones
Antimony Oxide (measles)
Antimony oxide is a heavy powder employed in the plastic industry on mixing recipe's as a fire retardent meaning the(pvc) plastic will have a higher ignition temp for combustion. I commonly used antimony oxide at work for many years. But I was allergic to the powder form resulting in skin irritations similar to poisin ivy. Only some people(30- 50%? )are allergic to antimony oxide, and the rash that developes on those skin specimens has been refered to as antimony measles. I have also heard the the production of antimony oxide always has a trace of arsenic compounds. HDN
Arie De Geus
There is a little information available on the web about the "alternative" hydrino work of Arie De Geus. Turns out I was mis-spelling his name. My apology if you are a vortex lurker.. I must say up front that reading his book makes one think that he is a religious fanatic more so than a dedicated scientist. But that does not mean he is not also an inventive genius... or does it? He does hold a recently granted WPO patent: WO0208787 "METHOD AND APPARATUS FOR THE PRODUCTION OF SO-CALLED "FRACTIONAL HYDROGEN" AND ASSOCIATED PRODUCTION OF PHOTON ENERGY He also at one time was giving out the name of an independent laboratory in Georgiawhich had confirmed his findings. I've lost track of the name, but it was in Marietta, if memory serves. Even though this patent looks on the surface to be a case of BLP "claim jumping" it could be original and become a real thorn in Mills' future, should both of the concepts end upbeing the basis of a commercial product. This patent seems to describe the simplest possible hydrino device, which could be called a plasma discharge tube. One can make inferences from the background section of that patent. Theinventor's full length book "Fluidum Continuum Universalis" is available from a vanity press: http://www.booksurge.com/author.php3?accountID=GRTU00159 but I do not own it, and it is more general is nature than the patent (some might call it a bit "cranky"). I have read some pertinent extracts, whichcan besummarized as much further from mainstream physics than Mills. The major difference between the De Geus hydrino theory and that of Millsis "In this Invention use is made of the properties of certain isotopes of Li, Be and B, which carry an extra neutron, in a function as"nucleonic catalysts". This is a new concept; so far catalysts always only referred to actions by electrons in the outer shell of atoms." It should be noted that ^22Ne is not mentioned by de Geusbut it does fit into the category of carrying the "extra neutron" as defined in the patent. It would be scary to think that Mills, who has some recent new patent filings identifying neon as a catalyst, while in earlier work identified and used it as a not functioning control element, has now realized that this theory of De Geus might have some validity and is trying to return the "claim jumping" favor by trying to get priority as to neon as a catalyst. Time will tell. Jones Two atoms bump into each other: "I think I've lost an electron!" says one. "Are you sure?" replies the other. "I'm positive!"
Progress in solar towers
See: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,66694,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_2 200 MW for $500 to $750 million. Actually, that is not such a bad price. The same capacity with other sources would cost roughly: Gas-fired turbine, $100 million Conventional wind turbine, $400 million Conventional fission, $1,200 million (but they do not make fission reactors this small) The solar tower is better than a conventional wind turbine system because the energy is generated 24 hours a day, regardless of the weather. It generates more power during hot, cloudless days, but it still works even with cloudy weather or at night. - Jed
Re: Scientific American again misrepresents cold fusion research
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:20:25 -0700: Hi Ed, [snip] Actually Robin, hydrino production has been ruled out. Cells are now sealed and contain a recombiner. If hydrinos were produced and did not react with oxygen to reform water, extra oxygen would accumulate and been detected as increased pressure or extra gas. If they did react, either they would revert to normal D, absorbing their energy of formation, or they would produce abnormal D2O, which has not been seen. In any case, abnormal behavior would be observed. [snip] Not necessarily, because hydrinohydride could undergo new chemical reactions (i.e. form strange salts) which could bind any excess oxygen as a solid. (Though I am somewhat grasping at straws here). Laying all my cards on the table, I would say first, that not all cells are sealed, and secondly that it is highly likely that putative hydrinos are not responsible for all forms of CF, though IMO they may be responsible for at least some past reports of excess heat. In short, I tend to agree with you that there is likely to be *at least* one form of CF/LENR/CANR, that has nothing to do with hydrinos. However I think it's going too far to say that hydrinos have been definitively ruled out as a contender in some cases. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk All SPAM goes in the trash unread.
Re: Scientific American again misrepresents cold fusion research
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:20:25 -0700: Hi Ed, [snip] Actually Robin, hydrino production has been ruled out. Cells are now sealed and contain a recombiner. If hydrinos were produced and did not react with oxygen to reform water, extra oxygen would accumulate and been detected as increased pressure or extra gas. If they did react, either they would revert to normal D, absorbing their energy of formation, or they would produce abnormal D2O, which has not been seen. In any case, abnormal behavior would be observed. [snip] Not necessarily, because hydrinohydride could undergo new chemical reactions (i.e. form strange salts) which could bind any excess oxygen as a solid. (Though I am somewhat grasping at straws here). Laying all my cards on the table, I would say first, that not all cells are sealed, and secondly that it is highly likely that putative hydrinos are not responsible for all forms of CF, though IMO they may be responsible for at least some past reports of excess heat. In short, I tend to agree with you that there is likely to be *at least* one form of CF/LENR/CANR, that has nothing to do with hydrinos. However I think it's going too far to say that hydrinos have been definitively ruled out as a contender in some cases. Well Robin, you just proved the one law that can never be disproven, i.e. in the presence of a clever person, no law can be proven correct. Regards, Ed Regards, Robin van Spaandonk All SPAM goes in the trash unread.
