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Edmund Storms https://plus.google.com/u/0/112904824327993917962?prsrc=4
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Yes, but all of these processes you describe are done
Guys,
Just a thought experiment I had since we are near a solar maxima.
If the average CME is a billion tons and three per day occur on
average somewhere on the surface during maxima, moving between 30 and 3000
miles/second, how come we are not struck by Mt Everest (est. weight a
billion tons as
I don't understand your point. Laser stimulation has been done many
times and it simply adds energy to the process. Energy can be added by
increased temperature and application of applied current, which also
increases the power. This changes nothing basic about the process nor
reveals how
Kevin - I could not open that document, but it sounds similar to the
Letts/Cravens effect. Can you post the abstract?
The Letts/Cravens effect could end up being more important than anyone
realizes if the polariton is involved. Here is a Krivit interview with D.C.
on the general subject.
I think you need to take into account that the Earth is a very tiny target at
our distance from the sun. Perhaps you should calculate roughly how much of
that CME actually impacts us per unit of surface area. Since it begins as a
plasma, it most likely is not dense enough to cause much
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 7:51 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Guys,
Just a thought experiment I had since we are near a solar maxima.
If the average CME is a billion tons and three per day occur on average
somewhere on the surface during maxima, moving between 30 and 3000
We are a tiny target but we do have a gravity field and solar wind
connecting us that should make us appear a little mo Bigga?
Stewart
Darkmattersalot.com
On Sunday, February 10, 2013, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 7:51 AM, ChemE Stewart
cheme...@gmail.comjavascript:;
wrote:
it seems not to work, but
http://repository.ias.ac.in/64627/
and public paper link
http://repository.ias.ac.in/64627/1/10-pub.pdf
works better
2013/2/10 Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
That bullet is moving pretty fast in our direction. Gravity might not have
much of an opportunity to work very well on it. This would be a good one for
you to model.
Dave
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Ok, let,s say billions of tons per day is missing us, some near, some far,
how come the inner solar sytem, over millions of years is not littered with
millions of Mount Everest chunks and sub chunks of debris everywhere? I
would think that itty bitty asteroid would be small potatoes...
On
Everyone seems to have an explanation of the laser effect. I think all
agree that the laser can stimulate energy states in the surface. What
these states do to initiate LENR is the big question.
Hagelstein proposes that the laser stimulates phonons that initiate a
fusion reaction in metal
More about the Deguerreotype and competing photographic processes
which were under development at the same time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Daguerre
harry
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
More about the Deguerreotype and competing photographic processes
which were under development at the same time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Daguerre
harry
quote In 1829, Daguerre partnered with Nicéphore
On Feb 10, 2013, at 9:03, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
how come the inner solar sytem, over millions of years is not littered with
millions of Mount Everest chunks and sub chunks of debris everywhere?
The reference to Mt Everest is perhaps a little misleading. Better would be Mt
*The basic questions are, Why does the laser effect work when the surface
is covered with gold so that the PdD was not actually exposed to the laser
and why does a single laser work sometimes and a duel laser is required at
other times?
*
If you want to understand LENR, you must understand how
HI Ed,
I think it is apparent that a BEC in it's normal sense with temps at
near absolute zero is out of the question as you note. There are too many
problems like the coupling of the lattice to the fusion reaction. Still if
you review Kim's several presentations over the years he has
Recently I have been exploring issues associated with thermodynamics since it
has been many years since I studied the subject. I wanted to understand why
certain rules apply and exactly what that suggests is happening at the basic
levels. This particular subject comes up often as we analyze
Chuck, I see where you mention that cold fusion might occur near absolute zero.
Do you recall any direct evidence that this is happening? I would find that
an important link if proven, since atoms of deuterium trapped in a metal matrix
box might be cooled in a manner that simulates that
Chuck, we have three separate and independent questions here. First,
can a BEC based on atoms form in a lattice at room temperature. In
spite of Kim, theory says this is not possible. Second, can such a
cluster lead to fusion? My answer is NO because the nuclear charge is
not eliminated
. Laser stimulation has been done many times and it simply adds energy to
the process.
***That was my misconception as well. But when I talked to KP Sinha on the
phone, he assured me that the process he was involved in for exposing the
LENR environment to lasers was a way to REMOVE energy from
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Kevin - I could not open that document, but it sounds similar to the
Letts/Cravens effect. Can you post the abstract?
I think the paper is
The 1859 carrington event was followed by 1860, the year of meteors, is
that the kind of diffuse plasma you are referring too?
On Sunday, February 10, 2013, Eric Walker wrote:
On Feb 10, 2013, at 9:03, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com javascript:;
wrote:
how come the inner solar sytem, over
. First, can a BEC based on atoms form in a lattice at room temperature.
***Yes, or more accurately, quite probably based upon the room
temperature BEC polariton results recently published.
In spite of Kim, theory says this is not possible.
***YE Kim addresses that in his email to me.
The
It would seem unusual for the MB velocity distribution not to exist within
deuterons inside a metal. The metal atoms nearby would possess kinetic energy
based upon their temperature. These atoms are far heavier than deuterons and
would knock them around like a bowling ball impacting bowling
On Feb 10, 2013, at 3:21 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:
. First, can a BEC based on atoms form in a lattice at room
temperature.
***Yes, or more accurately, quite probably based upon the room
temperature BEC polariton results recently published.
I guess Chuck, when I person wants to believe
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 1:24 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
One would think that hydrogen and its isotopes would be able to slip easily
through a metal crystal if ionized.
Counterintuitively, I think the mean free path of a proton or deuteron in a
metal is shorter than that of H
From: David Roberson
This is why I ask whether or not fusion has been proven to occur with very
low temperature deuterons. I am not aware that anyone makes that claim and
it would add support to the other theory if proven.
Yes - an early hydrogen bomb called Mike put millions of
It appears that a free proton or similar nuclear structure would not exist
within a metal since they would interact with any nearby electrons. Perhaps
that only way they would remain ionized would be if they had a large amount of
kinetic energy and bulldozed through the metal.
Dave
David,
This is a very interesting, complex and perplexing subject.
Your statement - The fact that a heat source and sink is required
for the engine to operate ... - may not hold for all heat engines.
It may be possible to extract energy from a single thermal reservoir if
there is another
In reply to David Roberson's message of Sun, 10 Feb 2013 11:45:07 -0500 (EST):
Hi,
[snip]
I think you need to take into account that the Earth is a very tiny target at
our distance from the sun. Perhaps you should calculate roughly how much of
that CME actually impacts us per unit of surface
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 6:22 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Perhaps that only way they would remain ionized would be if they had a
large amount of kinetic energy and bulldozed through the metal.
I think this is correct. For a proton, I believe the threshold is ~25 keV.
As a
Low temperatures initially? Too bad it did not remain that way.
Actually, I was seeking evidence of a low energy reaction. You did bring up an
interesting point however. How would you expect the BECs to influence the
overall reaction in this particular case? Could they have caused the
Please remember, we are discussing two entirely different reactions.
Hot fusion does not care about the temperature or nature of the
general environment. Only the energy of individual deuterons matters.
The result are fragments of helium. This reaction was initiated in
plasma produced by
Thanks Lou. I did hesitate at suggesting the requirement to have a sink
because I realized that it might be possible for other types of places for the
left over energy to be deposited. You have located some of these and that is
very informative. Also, the IR or other radiations have certain
I realized I was preaching to the choir a bit with my broken up asteroid versus
one big bad one. But, I actually do think that the total amount of energy
deposited into the atmosphere and ground would be the same in either case. If
it would destroy all the life on earth as a single hit, I
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 7:10 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I realized I was preaching to the choir a bit with my broken up asteroid
versus one big bad one. But, I actually do think that the total amount of
energy deposited into the atmosphere and ground would be the same in
My questions, concerns and speculations about method arise because I
find it baffling
that your estimate and MFMP team's estimate of excess Power can be so different.
Harry
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:56 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Harry, I use a blindfold when the data is being
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
NO!!! That is not the issue Cold fusion produces He4 without radiation.
***There have been some observances of radiation. Not very much, but
some.
Hot fusion produces a mixture of energetic fragments of He.These
Hot fusion is well demonstrated and certainly not what we would want to see.
Jones was suggesting that BECs might actually be demonstrated in some
particular cases related to that nuclear test and it would be interesting to
know if that was even possible. I have serious questions as to
It just seems to me that
1 CME avg per day x 1.2 Billion Tons/CME x 4.5 Billion Years old x 365
days/year = LOTS OF ordinary STUFF floating around the solar system. Of
course I am thinking lots of it is collapsed matter but what do I know.
Stewart
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Eric Walker
It is an interesting question as to what percentage of the yield of “Mike” – if
any - was due to BEC formation within the large flask of liquid deuterium. For
some reason, this possibility never occurred to me before now - but it seems
possible if not likely.
Indeed, the extra yield from
On Feb 10, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
NO!!! That is not the issue Cold fusion produces He4 without
radiation.
***There have been some observances of radiation. Not very much,
but some.
Yes, I
The bullet comparison is a good one to consider. I would think that both
momentum and energy would be conserved with the torn apart asteroid. The event
in Russia around the turn or the last century could have been caused by this
type of behavior on a small scale. It would have been
Also remember that a BEC under magnetic field alignment has been known to
collapse/explode into a Bosenova
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosenova
Stewart
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
It is an interesting question as to what percentage of the yield
It is not what I wanted to see Harry. I was expecting to calculate plenty of
excess power right up until I ran the program. Another guy performed a
correction upon the data that was being used by the MFMP group where he
compensated for the pressure drop occurring as the hydrogen escapes the
That is interesting. I recall hearing about that once, but I guess I assumed
it was not real.
Dave
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On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
On Feb 10, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
Storms: NO!!! That is not the issue Cold fusion produces He4 without
radiation.
David,
Well, some recent papers on quantum thermodynamics make an already
difficult subject even more challenging, and counterintuitive.
Since LENR violates conventional understanding of physics, it may be
worthwhile to consider whether only conventional thermodynamics are
involved.
-- Lou
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February 10, 2013
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*I thought I would make a separate post of a comment just received from
George Miley addressed to us here at
*Both hot and cold fusions are a result of pent up nuclear energy. Both
are explosions.*
As a first principle, LENR is caused by the lowering of the coulomb
barrier.
How does energy and momentum conservation play into energy produced by
coulomb barrier lowering?
The conservation laws apply to
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