Re: Ad Hominem against Joshua Cude, or is that "Ad Pseudonym" against
"Joshua Cude" ?
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&shva=1#label/Fusion2011/130bdafaefd392d9
Jed said to Joshua:
"So you will stick to the Krivit demo and ignore the others. You look
at one piece of data at a time while ign
Josh:
Would not any material with a significant heat capacity cause a sort of a
low-pass filter effect;
delaying and smoothing out the temperature fluctuations???
Well we have three material in this system that have high specific heats:
- In the reactor we have water (4.18) and hydrogen gas (
Okay Rich, what have you been smokin' this evening?
There are too many unknowns, unfortunately, to come to any real conclusion for
or against... So we
just wait and continue to discuss the information as it slowly flows out... Pun
intended.
:-)
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Rich Murr
Robert:
Thank you for taking time to do some calcs on the hydrogen pressure inside
after ignition...
Another interesting tidbit I noticed when investigating the specific heat of
the rubber hose vs
other materials (including cast iron which Joshua Cude was using as a
comparison), I sorted th
Joshua Cude's most recent 2 posts are excellent, lucid, crisp, point
by point, spot on, concise, pertinent -- they deserve reading and
rereading.
He mobilizes the available evidence to show a great likelihood that
the outflow includes a lot of liquid water and mist, and therefore no
evidence of my
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
> **
>
> I did as you suggest and searched for '2-phase flow', and even refined it
> by adding "steam quality" to the search terms... I'm sorry to disappoint
> you, but it only took the first two references I looked at to satisfy me
> that your
Assuming the eCat is not a scam:
The Defkalion press conference video indeed says that the eCat power is limited
by pressure.
We know that the reaction chamber is controlled by - quantity of nickel powder,
presence of hydrogen, and requires a sufficient heat to "ignite" the reaction.
Saying tha
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
> **
>
> Josh wrote:
> "they will have seen a mist coming out of the chimney."
>
> No, Kullander specifically states in his report:
> "The 100 °C temperature is reached at 10:42 and at about 10:45 all the
> water is completely vaporized found b
- Original Message -
> From: Akira Shirakawa
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 6:03:40 PM
> Subject: [Vo]:[Video] Two short interviews recorded after Defkalion's press
> conference
>
> Hello group,
>
> This link was just forwarded to me:
>
> * * *
>
>
To all Vorts that read/speak Italian:
Could you please visit the website that Harry Veeder supplied and report back
to "The Collective"!
http://www.ioriocirillo.com/eng/index.php
Thanks in Advance,
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Harry Veeder [mailto:hlvee...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednes
>
> What was interesting was this comment by SK,
>
> "the day after I left Bologna, I went to Napoli and visited with three
> Italian researchers, one of
> them a brilliant 33-year-old scientist who showed me what appears to be a
> real
> working experiment
> (video forthcoming), real scientif
- Original Message -
> From: Mark Iverson
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 9:53:07 PM
> Subject: [Vo]: Possible temperature feedback mechanism???
>
> Would not the heating element be acting more as a heat SINK when in
> steady-state? Actually,
> anythi
Guys:
The E-Cats have more than one resistance heater. With the last several demos,
there have been two,
one internal and one external...
This proposal only deals with the internal one, and assumes that the internal
heating element is
very near to the reactor, or inside the outer walls of the
From: Joshua Cude
>To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 5:20:37 PM
>Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi responds to "movie professor" and Peter Ekstrom's
>analysis
>
>
>
>
>The pump is still operating at steady state, meaning fluid is entering the
>chimney all the time. It's gonna push
At 10:09 AM 6/29/2011, Ron Kita wrote:
Cold Fusion LENR :
I was amazed to find this link:
http://www.economist.com/node/18774834/comments
Also made it to
http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-20075206-54/a-reality-check-on-nuclear-fusion-at-mit/#comments
Not noted by the original author, though
Mark, I put an entire book on 2-phase flow on this discussion list, 3 days
ago.
Joshua wrote:
"No, this is not the way it would happen. Even if the power is enough to
vaporize only a few per
cent of the water (by mass), then gas will occupy nearly all the volume (ninety
some per cent). So,
there is no way that the chimney would fill up with water; that would block the
hig
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AP - July 31, 2006 - Cleveland, Ohio
Scientists say it's a mirage, but others swear that when the weather is
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From: Mark Iverson
>
>This is certainly a concern in that there seems to be no
feedback of outlet temperature in order to provide data to the control boxes
(PLCs)..
>Is the operation of the E-Cat so consistent that so long as
there's a steady flowrate and fairly constant input temperature
Josh wrote:
"they will have seen a mist coming out of the chimney."
No, Kullander specifically states in his report:
"The 100 °C temperature is reached at 10:42 and at about 10:45 all the water is
completely vaporized
found by visual checks of the outlet tube and the valve letting out steam fr
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
>
>
> There is a concern that due to the likely rigorous boiling inside, some
> (macroscopic) liquid water is being thrown upward and some of it exiting
> thru the opening in the side of the chimney...
>
Depends what you mean by macroscopic. Co
Joshua wrote:
"I guess I misunderstood you when you said "
"The chimney could also have some baffles inside that would prevent liquid
water from being
ejected; it would simple fall back down into the boiling water." [iverson]
Ever hear of an 'ejection' seat... or the phrase, 'the person
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
> **
> Again, I think it would be obvious that ***IF*** the heat production of the
> reactor is not enough to vaporize nearly all of the water flowing in each
> second, then YES, the chimney will eventually fill up and spill water out of
> the
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Akira Shirakawa
wrote:
> Hello group,
>
> This link was just forwarded to me:
>
> * * *
>
> http://vimeo.com/25785236
>
> Two short interviews recorded after Defkalion's press conference.
> by Giacomo Guidi
Production capacity is sold out for the next five years!?
Again, I think it would be obvious that ***IF*** the heat production of the
reactor is not enough to
vaporize nearly all of the water flowing in each second, then YES, the chimney
will eventually fill
up and spill water out of the inlet... And yes, a clear hose would be a very
simple way to elim
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Tue, 28 Jun 2011 17:21:33 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>Multiverse M Brane intersection?
>
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2008161/Ghostly-mirage-appears-river-Huanshan-City-China.html
I find it surprising that no one appears to have made an effort to actually
Hello group,
This link was just forwarded to me:
* * *
http://vimeo.com/25785236
Two short interviews recorded after Defkalion's press conference.
by Giacomo Guidi
Really short interviews with mr. Rossi and A. Xanthoulis, investors
representative. The interviews were recorded after the press
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
> **
> Geezus Josh, you're grasping at straws... and obviously flawed ones at
> that.
>
> First:
> It should be COMPELETLY obvious that we're talking about the
> behavior/performance of the system at steady-state -- NOT start-up.
>
I get that.
Are any Vorts planning on attending? Looks like lots of fun.
http://www.teslatech.info/ttevents/2011conf/program2011.pdf
T
Geezus Josh, you're grasping at straws... and obviously flawed ones at that.
First:
It should be COMPELETLY obvious that we're talking about the
behavior/performance of the system at
steady-state -- NOT start-up. Start-up is only a transient state and
performance calcs are made on
measurements
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
>
> Good try but you forgot the surface tension. When you boil water in the
> kettle then you will get bubbles. Therefore steam can be hotter than actual
> boiling point. If you reduce the surface tension or make fine mist like in
> your setup
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
> Steven:
>
> Another proposal here is that liquid water is ejected out of the chimney,
> which may very well
> happen. This is certainly possible with the new, smaller e-Cats which have
> a much shorter chimney,
> but I would think that its v
this site says:
"Steam - produced in a boiler where the heat is supplied to the water and where
the steam are in contact with the water surface of the boiler - will contain
approximately 5% water by mass."
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/wet-steam-quality-d_426.html
Harry
On Jun 29, 2011 6:03 PM, "Joshua Cude" wrote:
>
> You yourself argued at length that the temperature
> is not above the boiling point, as evidenced by its
> perfectly flat nature. You argued it was because only
> liquid water is heated directly. If the steam is dry
> and above the bp, then the ste
Another interesting observation of the old chimney, is that not only is it
about 4 times taller, but
the diameter of it increases to at least double that of the short vertical
section of pipe that
feeds it! Could it be that when they were running this thing at 10KW to 20KW,
the volume of steam
Steven:
If you're implying that Angela (or someone) might be proposing that weather
conditions might have
some effect OTHER THAN simply affecting the BP of water, then NO, I don't think
that's the case. As
has been discussed at length here, the E-Cat's performance critically depends
on the ste
>From Angela:
> no, they measured it a bit away, but still in Bologna. I you
> want the precise position, I may tell you that later, I have
> access to all the historic weather data. I think it is the
> airport there. Meteorology was my business for a long
> time. Every station transmits the local
Angela:
Thanks for providing some hopefully more accurate data! I posted a question a
few days ago as to
what the altitude was for the location of Rossi's office where all the
tests/demos have been done.
We can't make the mistake of thinking they were done at the University.
Just how well do y
Original-Nachricht
> Datum: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 13:10:41 -0300
> Von: Daniel Rocha
> An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Rossi responds to "movie professor" and Peter Ekstrom\'s
> analysis
> Why are you subtracting the in Bologna if it was actually measured there?
Its th
So, the boiling temperature is 99.9C.
Original-Nachricht
> Datum: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 13:10:41 -0300
> Von: Daniel Rocha
> An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Rossi responds to "movie professor" and Peter Ekstrom\'s
> analysis
> Why are you subtracting the in Bologna if it was actually measured there?
no, th
Greetings Vortex-L:
Cold Fusion LENR :
I was amazed to find this link:
http://www.economist.com/node/18774834/comments
Respectfully,
Ron Kita , Chiralex
Ah...the Nervous Nellies of the World of Cold Fusion ...perhaps
Lemmings.
One must learn the "Art of Waiting". I can wait until Octo
BTW, the boiling point for water at 1016hPa is 100.1, according to this
boiling point calculator (pure water)
http://www.partyman.se/boiling-point-calculator/
Why are you subtracting the in Bologna if it was actually measured there?
Original-Nachricht
> Datum: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 09:53:12 -0400
> Von: "Stephen A. Lawrence"
> An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Rossi responds to "movie professor" and Peter Ekstrom\'s
> analysis
> More bizarreness.
>
> Note that in all the apparent anger over the wetn
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
> Mysterious AND measured boiling point of water was 99.7±0.1°C. Therefore if
> steam temperature is above 100.1±0.1°C, then the steam is dry, because water
> cannot remain in liquid phase in normal atmospheric pressure when
> temperature is s
Lawrence, the definition of movie clown is to make conclusive deductions
from low resolution video footage without knowing what is a) surrounding
temperature b) temperature of the hose and c) current power output of E-Cat.
There was just too many unknowns to make strong conclusions.
Pseudosceptic
On 11-06-29 10:23 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
Very good response by Andrea. We see that those "movie clowns" have
also infiltrated Vortex, like Joshua, Abd and few other pseudoskeptics.
So Abd is a "pseudoskeptic" because he questioned the dryness of the
steam, and asked if it's possible t
On 11-06-29 10:06 AM, Rich Murray wrote:
Ad hominem responses are always confirmations that the responder is
unable to support his position with evidence and reason...
Lack of playful humor is another sign.
Abd and Jed have shown this too, in recent days.
Nonsense. Please don't make such c
Very good response by Andrea. We see that those "movie clowns" have also
infiltrated Vortex, like Joshua, Abd and few other pseudoskeptics. One thing
also what must be considered, but what was ignored by pseudoskeptics was
that the room temperature was over 30 degrees. This makes steam less visible
Ad hominem responses are always confirmations that the responder is
unable to support his position with evidence and reason...
Lack of playful humor is another sign.
Abd and Jed have shown this too, in recent days.
More bizarreness.
Note that in all the apparent anger over the wetness of the effluent,
nobody has stated *any* measurement which was made and which indicated
the steam was dry. We've got temperature, we've got pressure (relative
to ambient, please note, not even an actual pressure number, so
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