Courtesy of DGT:
The following article appeared in TO BHMA-Science at December 2nd, 2012
(http://www.tovima.gr/science/article/?aid=486578).
For the non-Greek speaking people, here bellow is a translated in English
version of this article. In this translation, one more explanatory paragraph
On Mon, 3 Dec 2012 22:02:33 -0500, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I will grant that in some cases, experts are blinded by their own
professional knowledge and by the bias of the field as a whole. That
is why many physicists do not believe in cold fusion. But the key
That's pretty much exactly the problem
Thanks, Akira. This is the first time I have seen it mentioned that
one of the causes for the split with AR was his selling the E-Cat in
Canada in violation of the agreement with DGT. Maybe AR thought that
Canada was a part of the US? Or maybe he gave Ampenergo rights to
North America not
Robert McKay rob...@mckay.com wrote:
I will grant that in some cases, experts are blinded by their own
professional knowledge and by the bias of the field as a whole. That
is why many physicists do not believe in cold fusion. But the key
That's pretty much exactly the problem with
This article at DGT says:
we are not talking about nuclear energy but chemical energy derived from
transmutation.
That does not make a damn bit of sense. It is contradictory.
Transmutation means changing from element to another. That is to say,
changing the nucleus of the atom. When you change
On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 09:36:50 -0500, Jed Rothwell wrote:
IMO you dont need to know anything about climate science to
understand global warming - its all about politics and banking
(imagine a global economy underpinned by financial products where
the only underlaying deliverable . . .
Frankly,
Jed, I don't have a PhD in LENR either, but I believe it exists even
though the mainstream doesn't. Possibly my opinion is worth little.
The IPCC forecast has been falsified. It doesn't take a genius to
understand that. The link I gave to Lucia's site The Blackboard has
covered that in
Robert McKay rob...@mckay.com wrote:
I don't doubt that.. the climatologists themselves aren't going to benefit
much either way (although I'm sure many of them make a modest livings out
of it - and that's not nothing these days). They're merely needed to
produce those tedious reports.. they
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
This article at DGT says:
we are not talking about nuclear energy but chemical energy derived from
transmutation.
That does not make a damn bit of sense. It is contradictory.
I understand their reticence to use the
On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 10:43:59 -0500, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Robert McKay wrote:
I dont doubt that.. the climatologists themselves arent going to
benefit much either way (although Im sure many of them make a modest
livings out of it - and thats not nothing these days). Theyre merely
needed to
Weak anthropic principal at work. Nobody complained during last major ice
age because we were not around. We live at a privileged time.
Luckily, black holes suffer from indigestion which is why we are alive
today.
Stewart
Darkmattersalot.com
On Tuesday, December 4, 2012, Robert McKay wrote:
Jed, the argument from authority approach with regard to climate change
doesn't work because there are so many highly educated dissenting voices,
so many examples of deficient analysis work in Climatology (check out
Climate Audit), and yet seemingly so little interest in improving woefully
bad
It's interesting that AGW denial and Christian creationism are cultural
phenomena which is more intensely seen among USA citizens than elsewhere in
the world, with a reasonably educated population. I wonder if there is
correlation between those.
NO no no ... please don't drop off from this discussion. I'm thoroughly
enjoying this discussion.
Robert L and Robert M, please continue this discussion and continue putting
out facts. It's about time somebody knowledgeable took the time to correct
all these anthropic global warming crap
It should be obvious that there is politics involved in climate science.
There is just too much money and urgency involved. This means also
corruption, because science is not clear and it is very difficult and
everyone wants to see what the wish most.
However, Jed is very right that overall ideas
Oh, damn! I talk about a possible correlation between bible fanatics and
AGW denial and guess who appears 1 minute later! HA!
2012/12/4 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com
NO no no ... please don't drop off from this discussion. I'm thoroughly
enjoying this discussion.
Robert L and Robert M,
Ha Ha Ha, you give yourself too much credit as if the world revolves around
you. I respond to your posts like I respond to those cow decorations I find in
my farm, as there is no difference between the two. LOL ...
All that hot air is inflating your bubble head. Tell you what, let make use
JoJo,
Always the charmer...
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
**
Ha Ha Ha, you give yourself too much credit as if the world revolves
around you. I respond to your posts like I respond to those cow
decorations I find in my farm, as there is no difference
The primary reasons why the climate is not heating up faster than it has
been include oceanic thermal inertia and industrial negative aerosol
forcing.
There is a lot of water in the ocean and there still is loads of ice spread
around the world that can cool that water.
In the case of oceanic
On 2012-12-04 10:26, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=4367
PDF version (containing a few photos) now available in the link above.
Direct link:
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=33
(you might need to be logged to the
It does not take a bible fanatic to question the global warming train wreck.
Some of us have worked with complex systems before and realize just how
difficult it is to separate out the various important parameters. The climate
system of the Earth is most likely one of the most complex ones
Warmth is better short term than ice ages and dead crops like during the
dark ages. Let's focus on keeping the lights on in 2013
Stewart
darkmattersalot.com
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 2:28 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
It does not take a bible fanatic to question the global
Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote:
Jed, the argument from authority approach with regard to climate change
doesn't work because there are so many highly educated dissenting voices .
. .
No, there are not many. Sorry, but that is not the case. I have read enough
about the
I sincerely hope that our civilization is prepared for a possible Carrington
event - that could dwarf any global warming effects. Another point, not often
admitted is the possible influence of the TBTJ banks - which largely control
governments. They want to profit from running carbon tax/permit
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
It does not take a bible fanatic to question the global warming train
wreck. Some of us have worked with complex systems before and realize just
how difficult it is to separate out the various important parameters.
Unless you have worked with this
The experts say that a temp rise of more than two degrees will be really bad.
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 2:57 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell
David Roberson
ONE CAN ONLY HOPE.
That is, one can only hope that money and profit is the only goal these AGW
mongerers have. But sadly, these people, run our government, control every
aspect of our lives and they already have all the money they know what to do
with. Remember, these people control the
At 10:02 PM 12/3/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I do not know enough about climatology to place any bets, but based
on what I know about cold fusion and many other difficult areas of
science and technology, if I have to bet, I'll stick with the people
who do this for a living and who have been
At 07:25 AM 12/4/2012, Robert McKay wrote:
On Mon, 3 Dec 2012 22:02:33 -0500, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I will grant that in some cases, experts are blinded by their own
professional knowledge and by the bias of the field as a whole. That
is why many physicists do not believe in cold fusion. But the
It is sad indeed to realize that politics and entrenched financial interests
dominate science - or what passes for it- but the notion that global warming
denial is just triggered by oil companies and the like is naïve. There are
powerful interests on the other side - and, in addition, because
Axil, this thermal Inertia argument is untenable and does not fit the facts.
In order for your thermal Inertia argument to be correct, you need to show
steady temperatures over the years as the extra heat is supposedly being
absorbed by the ocean waters. Fact is, global temperatures were
Jed, I do not pretend to be an expert on global warming. I do have quite a bit
of experience in solving difficult problems and in modeling unusual behaviors.
You seem to be a guy that likes to think through issues that are of importance
as well. Perhaps you might want to consider the
At 09:36 AM 12/4/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
People in a given field are sometimes biased against new ideas
proposed by outsiders. That is not because they are mistaken about
their own ideas. Their own ideas are valid, but the outsider's ideas
are an improvement. They oppose the ideas because --
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
I'm fully aware that majority scientific opinion can be defective --
cold fusion demonstrates that, as did the fat/cholesterol hypothesis. If,
however, one looks closely at these issues, one can find what Jed proposed.
Those who actually were
At 09:50 AM 12/4/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
This article at DGT says:
we are not talking about nuclear energy but chemical energy derived
from transmutation.
Yeah. Maybe it's a language problem.
That does not make a damn bit of sense. It is contradictory.
Transmutation means changing from
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
What if NiH heat is not nuclear at all? What if it's hydrinos? (Chemical,
just an unexpected form of chemistry, though hydrinos *also* might catalyze
fusion . . .
Okay that's possible I suppose. We could test that hypothesis if Mills
would
In regard to the power of the international banks and their scofflaw
privileges, the extreme nature of the situation is kept out of the mainstream
press. It would be too frightening for most people to know just how sociopathic
and immune to the law they are.
Take the case of Andrew McGuire -
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
You seem to be a guy that likes to think through issues that are of
importance as well. Perhaps you might want to consider the complexity of
the global warming models for a moment. Do you honestly believe that the
software guys have included all of
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Akira Shirakawa
shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote:
PDF version (containing a few photos) now available in the link above.
Direct link:
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/download/file.php?id=33
Well, well. When I go to their site I see a page announcing a
Or the illegal forceful election and reelection of an illegitimate and
unqualified person as president.
These people have threatened everyone who dares question their illegitimate
puppet.
But, like I said, the election and reelection of this donkey is part of God's
judgement on America as
Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:
**
In regard to the power of the international banks and their scofflaw
privileges, the extreme nature of the situation is kept out of the
mainstream press. . . .
Take the case of Andrew McGuire - who made the mistake of trying to expose
silver
A lack of threats? That depends what side offers safety and acceptance.
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/1096/Execute-Skeptics-Shock-Call-To-Action-At-what-point-do-we-jail-or-execute-global-warming-deniers--Shouldnt-we-start-punishing-them-now
Should they be executed? Or just sent to jail? Is
Jed, you're too much. Enough balonium already.
First, you make two assumptions:
1. That Climatologists are NOT being threatened or harassed
2. That they are NOT being bribed, that they are driving 20 year old Toyotas
and that they have not been photographed with money in their mouths.
My
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
It should be obvious that there is politics involved in climate science.
There is just too much money and urgency involved. This means also
corruption, because science is not clear and it is very difficult and
everyone wants to see what the wish
Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:
**
A lack of threats? That depends what side offers safety and acceptance.
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/1096/Execute-Skeptics-Shock-Call-To-Action-At-what-point-do-we-jail-or-execute-global-warming-deniers--Shouldnt-we-start-punishing-them-now
Should
On 2012-12-04 23:34, Terry Blanton wrote:
Well, well. When I go to their site I see a page announcing a new web
site coming soon.
Did you save the .pdf? If you could send to me I can post on google
docs. Or you could if you do that sort of thing.
I expected that something like this would
I saved the PDF as well...
-mark
-Original Message-
From: Akira Shirakawa [mailto:shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 3:34 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:[Defkalion GT] Το ΒΗΜΑ-science article of December 2nd,
2012 (in English)
On 2012-12-04 23:34,
Original Message
Subject: 113,000 web sites carry my stuff and they are picking up on book
From: Frank Znidarsic fznidar...@aol.com
To:
charles.re...@power.alstom.com,jeanurgoli...@hotmail.com,rvargo1...@yahoo.com,ladylei1...@yahoo.com
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Thanks to Andy and Akira. The document is also available here:
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B8mt4mJOTGvBRnh4Y1h2aDJ6Q00
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Andy Findlay andy_find...@orange.net wrote:
Her you go Terry. See attached.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=Anti-Gravity+Physics+ExplainedFORM=QSR
Jed
I think it is safe to assume in most cases that the climatologists are
intelligent, hard working individuals. They are dedicated to doing the best
job they can with the tools and knowledge at their disposal and it would be
difficult to find a better group. I personally do not want
That is disgusting behavior and I can only assume that it is some one's idea of
a joke. Perhaps if they are serious, then they should subject themselves to
the same harsh punishment if the climate does not prove to be warming as a
result of man's carbon emissions.
Let's get serious.
Dave
Every single climate scientist is wrong. Every single cold fusion scientist is
wrong. These statements are based upon the concept that new knowledge will
become available that modifies their understanding in the future. Many of them
are right as far as we know at the moment, but it would be
At 11:48 AM 12/4/2012, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Oh, damn! I talk about a possible correlation between bible fanatics
and AGW denial and guess who appears 1 minute later! HA!
Daniel, did you really need to quote him? I've got the fellow in a
kill file (i.e, filter) so I don't read his mail
I'm sorry. This is rather annoying anyway since I'd have to keep a list of
the enmities.
2012/12/4 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com
At 11:48 AM 12/4/2012, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Oh, damn! I talk about a possible correlation between bible fanatics and
AGW denial and guess who appears 1
I think it is more practical to just ban Jojo.
2012/12/5 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
I'm sorry. This is rather annoying anyway since I'd have to keep a list of
the enmities.
2012/12/4 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com
At 11:48 AM 12/4/2012, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Oh, damn! I
Some people here think there may be a conspiracy of climatologists to
bamboozle the public. Alternatively, someone may have threatened these
researchers, bashing in their cars. People who take these hypotheses
seriously should give some thought to the practical ramifications. Such as
--
How many
Regarding this statement in the PDF file foundon the DGT website as follows:
“The third way was the one we found: to “make the mountain disappear for a
very short time. We succeeded by disguising protons in neutrons via
stimulation of nickel in Rydberg form. In this form the trajectory of the
The original thread title for this topic has gone bonkers.
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com quotes DGT:
For a brief period of around 10 -13th second, each RSH proton is very
close to its electron. Then the RSH nuclei is a masqueraded neutron. As a
result, Coulomb forces between such nuclei are
Oh no, Rothwell has uncovered our plot! I wonder how much it will take to buy
his silence? Anyone have a spare million to contribute to the cause?
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:13 pm
Subject:
At 02:36 PM 12/4/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Of course, what is required to be an expert is often a matter of
great debate. . . .
That last point is true, but not so much for hard science. There is
a world of difference between someone who has done the work it takes
to get a PhD versus an
What I'd like to know is how much actual substance is there to this DGT
report. At first glance none. Somebody... please correct me on this!
This article strikes me more as if it was a Discover Magazine gossip piece.
While fun to read, it doesn't seem to have proved anything.
Regards,
Steven
The 2012 Nobel prize physics was awarded to the two workers who have
invented inovative measurement techniques for subatomic particles. This
type of quantum measurement research is the most difficult stuff one can do
in science and the most important.
See
2012 Nobel prize physics
Kirvit said my work was irrelevant and would not even put me on his list. Now
let us see if he stopped me.
I have 137,000 sites caring just my videos. Linked below.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=Anti-Gravity+Physics+ExplainedFORM=QSRE1
The site below is typical, it had 19,000 hits. You
That is the conclusion that I have drawn as well Axil. DGT apparently has
decided that their reaction depends upon ionized hydrogen which is obtained by
the spark gap. Why they then believe that the bare proton captures an electron
to become a Rydberg atom that then reacts is difficult to
This is un-effing-believable. An anonymous post is trumped up to supposedly
show this great danger. Give me a break.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 4, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:
A lack of threats? That depends what side offers safety and acceptance.
How did this thread get so long so quickly? I'm impressed. :)
After all of that, did anyone's views on the topic change? :)
Eric
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20543483
Ice melt has finally been properly measured.
The results show that the largest ice sheet - that of East Antarctica - has
gained mass over the study period of 1992-2011 as increased snowfall added
to its volume.
However, Greenland, West
Russ is entertaining. I wish him good luck.
Sounds like crowd funding has been helpful in his endeavors too.
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
WOW... what an elaborate web of conspiracy you weave. Classic faulty
fallacious logic. First, you set up your conditions and then you proceed to
break it down and tell everyone - See, this does not make sense. Hmmm... I
believe that's called a Strawman Argument and you are not very good at
What a piece of work you are. Your mother must have really screwed you up
raising you. First, you initiate the insult and then call for a banning when
those you insulted respond IN KIND.
I guess I'm fortunate you don't own this list.
Tell me exactly, what list rule have I violated deserving
Jojo,
please moderate your wording and do not insult
any member of this rather old community. Wording has to be raised above the
kindergarten level, please try!
Please understand this is a New Energies forum, any other adjacent, related
or remote subject can be discussed only friendly in a
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