[Vo]:Defkalion Twitched

2012-12-26 Thread Terry Blanton
Not to be confused with tweet. Stirring on their web site: - Main Corporate Office: *1140 Homer Street, Vancouver, BC, V6B 2X6, Canada – Tel: +1 604 683 * - European RD Center: *5 via Bastia, Milano 20139, Italy – Tel: +39 0253 92829* - Greece Liaison Office: *3 Xanthou

RE: [Vo]:Kapagen

2012-12-26 Thread Zell, Chris
It's impressive, initially - but why not throw in a few diodes and filtering circuit and make it into DC? I never understand why these inventors keep working with AC, often both in and out, when DC would end all accusations of power factor issues? Are we seeing real overunity or just some sort

Re: [Vo]:Kapagen

2012-12-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: Are we seeing real overunity or just some sort of high frequency lighting effect that makes it look like overunity? The latter in my opinion.

Re: [Vo]:Electronics Project on promotion this week

2012-12-26 Thread fznidarsic
Thanks, however, my device works with that Obama phone. The Obama phone is free and my device you build by yourself. The problem is that the people with the Obama phone want me to build them one and install it for free. As for my paper at peer review. Specific comments from a member of

Re: [Vo]:[OT] jojo's knowledge -- was Lomax Question

2012-12-26 Thread de Bivort Lawrence
I can see that if someone knows nothing about Sharia and confounds it with childhood nightmares about zombies that he will end up woefully ignorant of sharia -- both its contents and its applications. Lest any reader be confused by Jojo's assertions, I'll reiterate that he knows nothing of

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2012-12-26 Thread de Bivort Lawrence
illimiati? On Dec 26, 2012, at 1:07 AM, Jojo Jaro wrote: Lomax is lying again. I'm not surprised. It is OK for him to lie as long as his goal are honorable and good for islam and muhammed. OK, let me ask anybody here. Who has actually seen Obama's Birth Certificate in actuality? Not

[Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon

2012-12-26 Thread David Roberson
Is the event horizon of a black hole considered an observer relative location? We, who are at a very large distance relative to a black hole see the event horizon as located a finite distance from the center of the star. If another observer happens to be closer to the same hole, does he

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2012-12-26 Thread Eric Walker
On Dec 25, 2012, at 21:41, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: However, there is a difference here. I'm the only Muslim on this list, as far as I know. Bingo. As members of modern, pluralistic societies, we shouldn't allow hate propaganda. We shouldn't allow it in relation to

RE: [Vo]:Non Linear Model of Celani Device

2012-12-26 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Dave: That 1000 second sine wave period is ~16.7 minutes… Is it an artifact of the model, or are there any physical properties of the materials used that would account for that oscillatory period? Any insight to its cause? Does the period decrease with time? -Mark From: David Roberson

[Vo]:MFMP air flow calorimetry may start next week

2012-12-26 Thread Harry Veeder
From the MFMP blog Ryan Hunt reports: We will be doing an insulated cell inside the Air Flow Calorimter. Measuring the temperature across the insulation will give us a good indication of heat flow. The Temp rise of the air flowing past it will give us another. Both will be calibrated

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age--for the education of Jojo

2012-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:34 PM 12/25/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: Once again, Lomax diverts the issue and attempts to spin it away. The issue is not A'isha actual age, it is irrelevant what her actual age was. She could have been 5 years older and what muhammed did would still be an abhorrent sex perverted act.

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2012-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:07 AM 12/26/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: Lomax is lying again. I'm not surprised. It is OK for him to lie as long as his goal are honorable and good for islam and muhammed. No. It is not OK for me to lie for a supposedly noble goal. I wrote about when it's permissible to lie, and it's only

Re: [Vo]:Non Linear Model of Celani Device

2012-12-26 Thread David Roberson
Good question Mark, I put together a quick one pole digital filter with a time constant of 100 seconds to take a closer look at the waveform. Reducing the noise made it a lot easier to see and now I would revise my earlier estimate of the period. I see a relatively large negative going

Re: [Vo]:MFMP air flow calorimetry may start next week

2012-12-26 Thread David Roberson
I hate to say it, but this news might foul up the excellent model tracking that I have constructed. I hope that my model can be modified in such a way as to compliment the new Flow Calorimeter system. This will give us two independent ways to view the performance of the cell and to determine

Re: [Vo]:MFMP air flow calorimetry may start next week

2012-12-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
As I mentioned, Ed has some concerns about this air-flow calorimetry. I believe he communicated with the MFM people. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Kapagen

2012-12-26 Thread mixent
In reply to a.ashfield's message of Tue, 25 Dec 2012 21:47:40 -0500: Hi, [snip] The electronics are beyond my range of expertise but possibly someone here can tell if this makes any sense.

Re: [Vo]:Electronics Project on promotion this week

2012-12-26 Thread mixent
In reply to fznidar...@aol.com's message of Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:52:21 -0500 (EST): Hi Frank, [snip] Thanks, however, my device works with that Obama phone. The Obama phone is free and my device you build by yourself. The problem is that the people with the Obama phone want me to build them

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2012-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Conclusion, there is no such Executive Order. It appears that Jojo Jaro believes birther myths, long after they have been conclusively and with evidence debunked. If he fails to apologize, or point to an actual order doing what he claimed, he is, effectively, a liar. I've said similar things

Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon

2012-12-26 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
I read all the relevant wikipedia pages. My conclusion is that this question is very difficult and that the process of answering it will involve rephrasing it in more precise terms. In particular the term event horizon is a catchall for multiple distinct horizons, each backed by a subtly different

Re: [Vo]:[OT] jojo's knowledge -- was Lomax Question

2012-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:40 AM 12/26/2012, de Bivort Lawrence wrote: [...] On Dec 24, 2012, at 7:36 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote: Quite honestly, this is the first time I've heard of FGM. After my first google, I found out what it was and was taken aback by the practice. This sort of retrograde practice of course is

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2012-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:54 AM 12/26/2012, de Bivort Lawrence wrote: illimiati? On Dec 26, 2012, at 1:07 AM, Jojo Jaro wrote: And Lomax's is really naive to think that only Republicans are concerned with this issue. Over 60% of Americans feel Obama should come clean on this issue. But of course, the

RE: [Vo]:there is something funny go one out there

2012-12-26 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Interesting read, Abd. Thanks! As always, you are meticulous in your personal analysis - relentlessly and obsessively so! I suspect it's one of your endearing traits that terrified Mr. Krivit so much. I don't think he knows how to handle: meticulous scrutiny, particularly when the cross-hairs

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2012-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:30 PM 12/26/2012, Eric Walker wrote: On Dec 25, 2012, at 21:41, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: However, there is a difference here. I'm the only Muslim on this list, as far as I know. Bingo. As members of modern, pluralistic societies, we shouldn't allow hate

[Vo]:Digital information storage in DNA

2012-12-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Not quite as off topic as you might think. I am looking into this as part of an essay about the history of cold fusion I am writing. Anyway, see: http://arep.med.harvard.edu/pdf/Church_Science_12.pdf This prof. at Harvard, George Church, has been experimenting with recording data in DNA. He

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2012-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:12 AM 12/26/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: My friend, just because your morality allows you to troll and lie in wikipedia does not mean that I am like you. I never lied on Wikipedia. I did one action that I allowed as a form of trolling. It's more like what a soldier might do in a war, present

Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon

2012-12-26 Thread David Roberson
That makes it a bit more complicated. I was referring to the exact radius at which light can not escape from a non spinning black hole as observed from far away. If a space ship reaches that radius from our perspective, it would totally blink out of existence. Theoretically, we are located

Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon

2012-12-26 Thread Craig
Isn't it a calculated location? Isn't it the radius from the center of the black hole at which a theoretical object at a great distance would reach the speed of light when falling into the black hole from its gravity? Craig On 12/26/2012 04:57 PM, Jeff Berkowitz wrote: I read all the relevant

Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon

2012-12-26 Thread David Roberson
I think that might be the way it could be calculated. I am looking at it from the other side where any photon of light sent out by our probe space ship at that location would exactly run out of energy as it reaches us. I suppose you could say the red shift would be infinite for

Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon

2012-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:16 PM 12/26/2012, David Roberson wrote: I am hoping to establish that there exists a boundary from which an object becomes invisible to us once it is crossed. There must. An event horizon is a boundary in spacetime beyond which events cannot affect an outside observer. (WP). The

Re: [Vo]:Electronics Project on promotion this week

2012-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:47 PM 12/26/2012, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Wrong! Why on Earth does it need to relate to current discussions at all? Haven't these people ever heard of a new topic of discussion? No. Your point? Okay, okay. Perhaps they have a journal about a topic, and topic is a field, and a field

Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon

2012-12-26 Thread David Roberson
Well, this was a type of trick question. I agree that from the perspective of an observer far away out of the influence of the imaginary black hole boundary the probe ship would never appear to breech the boundary. We would see any light emitted from this ship very red shifted as the ship

Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon

2012-12-26 Thread David Roberson
Abd, time is supposed to be dilated for the probe ship from our perspective as it approaches the black hole event boundary. I think of it in the following way: On the probe ship one could place any form of clock that he chooses to keep track of local time. Let'c choose a laser beam for his

Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon

2012-12-26 Thread ChemE Stewart
I believe whatever approaches a black hole will be shredded by radiation as it approaches its surface since gravity is entropic. The point at which you are completely shredded after you spin in its accretion disk for awhile you will become part of the entropy of the hole... On Wednesday, December

Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon

2012-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Let's get down to the nitty gritty here. At 12:20 PM 12/26/2012, David Roberson wrote: Is the event horizon of a black hole considered an observer relative location? We, who are at a very large distance relative to a black hole see the event horizon as located a finite distance from the

Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon

2012-12-26 Thread David Roberson
For this thought experiment you need to assume that you are heading directly toward the center of the black hole and that it is not spinning. I do not recall any laws of physics which prevent this case. Are you assuming that the black hole has a surface that can be impacted? It seems like

Re: [Vo]:Digital information storage in DNA

2012-12-26 Thread Jojo Jaro
Yes, digital information is indeed present in DNA. One has to wonder how it got there. Natural Selection can not explain how random process can originate information; let alone exabytes of information present in DNA in its natural state. But, of course, Darwinian Evolutionist are right

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2012-12-26 Thread Jojo Jaro
Liar liar liar . I'm not surprised after all I know who you are and your religion. There is an executive order. Obama issued it on the day he took power. It covers his BC in Hawaii, his Occidental College records and his other thesis records from Harvard. Lomax is getting blatant in

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2012-12-26 Thread Jojo Jaro
Here is how guile is defined: Noun 1. guile - shrewdness as demonstrated by being skilled in deception craftiness, cunning, foxiness, slyness, wiliness, craft astuteness, perspicaciousness, perspicacity, shrewdness - intelligence manifested by being astute (as in business

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2012-12-26 Thread Jojo Jaro
Lomax uses guile and deception again to spin the issue. It's very simple friends. Supposedly, they showed an original to snopes with the seal, the folding and other distinctive marking. Snopes then certified it to be true and original and posted a blog about it. Just show that to a

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2012-12-26 Thread Daniel Rocha
He is reasoning and lying correctly. He gives links, provides reasonable arguments that should prove beyond any reasonable doubt the he is correct and you are not accepting his arguments, thus, being unreasonable beyond doubt. You clearly show your lack of arguments by making childish comments

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2012-12-26 Thread Daniel Rocha
sorry, arguing correctly, not lying correctly'. 2012/12/26 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com He is reasoning and lying correctly. He gives links, provides reasonable arguments that should prove beyond any reasonable doubt the he is correct and you are not accepting his arguments, thus,

Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon

2012-12-26 Thread David Roberson
This is a complex problem to think about. I am making an effort to save information that is entering a black hole by a technique that is theoretically possible. One of the main problems facing theorists is that information appears to be lost by absorption into the hole and that is considered

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2012-12-26 Thread Jojo Jaro
Really, no off-topic problem? I don't understand how you can say that. History has shown it to be a problem. Many have left Vortex-L because of it., Many have complained about it. You simply choose to see what you want to see. OK, Let's agree to disagree. Jojo - Original

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2012-12-26 Thread Jojo Jaro
The Illuminati satanic occultic pagan group of powerful men and bankers behind everything in our society, including the President, Congress, Supreme Court, Federal Reserve, the Smithsonian and other institutions. The Illuminati is the shadow government that FDR was alluding to and the reason

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2012-12-26 Thread Daniel Rocha
The elders of zion? :D 2012/12/26 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com However, if you want speculation, I have some other speculations about who these people are. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:[OT] jojo's knowledge -- was Lomax Question

2012-12-26 Thread Jojo Jaro
It is better if you participate by discussing the facts rather than just vague statements that I am wrong. Tell me which of the things I've said do you specifically disagree with. You and Lomax seems to be of the same opinion that because marriage to little girls was practiced during the

Re: [Vo]:Non Linear Model of Celani Device

2012-12-26 Thread Eric Walker
On Dec 25, 2012, at 11:15, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: During the night Santa brought me a gift! A thought occurred to me that there is a very good explanation for the 30 to 40 second time constant exponential waveform that I have been seeking. In order to get the best curve

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2012-12-26 Thread Jojo Jaro
I provided sources from Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari. Two of the most respected and venerated muslim scholarly works ever. I even provided the actual arabic in Sharia that shows that FGM mutilation of the clitoris is required in Sharia. So, I provided the highest quality of evidence and

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2012-12-26 Thread Jojo Jaro
Ha ha ha ROTFL. I did not even notice this but it sure seems that the truth eventually came out. NO NO NO you were right the first time. Lomax was lying correctly. LOL LOL LOL Jojo - Original Message - From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Thursday,

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2012-12-26 Thread Daniel Rocha
He actually rebuted evertything. It's just that you are crazy religious fundamentalist and cannot see beyond your prejudices. 2012/12/27 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com ** I provided sources from Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari. Two of the most respected and venerated muslim scholarly works

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2012-12-26 Thread Jojo Jaro
Ridicule all you want. There's nothing the Illuminati wants more than ignorant sheeple like you. Here is what Theodore Roosevelt has to say about a shadow government. Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2012-12-26 Thread Daniel Rocha
Alright, so you are living under a snowy barricade on a very high mountain. 2012/12/27 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com ** Ridicule all you want. There's nothing the Illuminati wants more than ignorant sheeple like you. Here is what Theodore Roosevelt has to say about a shadow government.

[Vo]:unsubscribe

2012-12-26 Thread George Baldwin

RE: [Vo]:there is something funny go one out there

2012-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:28 PM 12/26/2012, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: Interesting read, Abd. Thanks! As always, you are meticulous in your personal analysis - relentlessly and obsessively so! I suspect it's one of your endearing traits that terrified Mr. Krivit so much. I don't think he knows

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2012-12-26 Thread Jojo Jaro
What has he rebuted? Has he rebuted that A'isha was 9 years old when muhammed had intercourse with her? I presented source like Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari saying that this was true. Lomax presented wikipedia and blogs and he rebuted what I said? I have some land in Florida I'd like to

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2012-12-26 Thread Daniel Rocha
I think It's more likely that the inhabitants of Eta Reticuli mesmerized me! 2012/12/27 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com ** Get a cranial enema my friend. You have been mesmerized by Lomax's excessive verbal diarrhea. All the crap is getting into your head and Lomax is laughing at you for

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2012-12-26 Thread Jojo Jaro
Not quite, but that's a good idea. Not a snowy mountain though, I hate snow. Hey. maybe some land in the Texas Pecos region. Sounds good, thanks for the advice. Jojo - Original Message - From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:28

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2012-12-26 Thread Daniel Rocha
Basically the Demon and his fallen companions. 2012/12/27 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com ** My goodness, you have no idea how close to the truth you are with this joke. Yes, residents of Eta Reticuli. Except that they are not aliens from another world as in ET - biological aliens. They

Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon

2012-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:55 PM 12/26/2012, David Roberson wrote: That makes it a bit more complicated. I was referring to the exact radius at which light can not escape from a non spinning black hole as observed from far away. If a space ship reaches that radius from our perspective, it would totally blink out

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2012-12-26 Thread Jojo Jaro
My goodness, you have no idea how close to the truth you are with this joke. Yes, residents of Eta Reticuli. Except that they are not aliens from another world as in ET - biological aliens. They are in fact residents of another dimension beyond our 4 dimenstions - as in Fallen angels,

Re: [Vo]:Non Linear Model of Celani Device

2012-12-26 Thread David Roberson
Eric, Originally I was expecting to have a forth order relationship due to radiation but it did not happen. I have made numerous curve fits to the data shown on the live site of the MFMP and it always fits to a nearly perfect quadratic. The typical R^2 value is .9998 with the values. I

Re: [Vo]:unsubscribe

2012-12-26 Thread Terry Blanton
Send it to vortex-l-requ...@eskimo.com subject: unsubscribe On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 9:29 PM, George Baldwin 0georgebaldw...@gmail.comwrote: **

Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon

2012-12-26 Thread ChemE Stewart
Radiation will kill you before you get to the surface and gravity will shred you and you will accrete around the hole until you are completely entropified and that is what will be imprinted on the surface. That will take awhile with many black holes because as their surface area gets smaller they

Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon

2012-12-26 Thread David Roberson
We both agree that nothing will happen to the ship itself unless tidal forces tear it apart. That has not been an issue and I am not sure of why you start with the assumption that I think it will. You must have misunderstood my statement. I suppose I could have made it in a clearer manner.

Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon

2012-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:56 PM 12/26/2012, Craig wrote: Isn't it a calculated location? Isn't it the radius from the center of the black hole at which a theoretical object at a great distance would reach the speed of light when falling into the black hole from its gravity? No. Mass doesn't ever reach the speed

Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon

2012-12-26 Thread Craig
On 12/26/2012 10:56 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 05:56 PM 12/26/2012, Craig wrote: Isn't it a calculated location? Isn't it the radius from the center of the black hole at which a theoretical object at a great distance would reach the speed of light when falling into the black hole from

Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon

2012-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:17 PM 12/26/2012, David Roberson wrote: Well, this was a type of trick question. I agree that from the perspective of an observer far away out of the influence of the imaginary black hole boundary the probe ship would never appear to breech the boundary. We would see any light emitted

Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon

2012-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:33 PM 12/26/2012, David Roberson wrote: Abd, time is supposed to be dilated for the probe ship from our perspective as it approaches the black hole event boundary. Yes, it would be. However,time is dilated for muons that are travelling close to c, but they don't slow down. They are

Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon

2012-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:23 PM 12/26/2012, David Roberson wrote: We both agree that nothing will happen to the ship itself unless tidal forces tear it apart. That has not been an issue and I am not sure of why you start with the assumption that I think it will. You must have misunderstood my statement. I

Re: [Vo]:Digital information storage in DNA

2012-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:59 PM 12/26/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: Yes, digital information is indeed present in DNA. Agreement! One has to wonder how it got there. Oh, we know pretty well. Details, not necessarily, but Reality (God, Allah) knows how to create DNA. Scientists follow the footprints, test to see if

Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon

2012-12-26 Thread David Roberson
That sounds like a pretty hard way to leave this world ChemE. Have you considered what it would be like to approach a massive black hole? If the black hole is large and massive enough the event horizon as viewed from the far away sites might not have such a dramatic gravitational gradient. I

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Moon God, Dozens of wives, and marriageable age

2012-12-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:12 PM 12/26/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: Here is how guile is defined: Noun 1. guile - shrewdness as demonstrated by being skilled in deception craftiness, cunning, foxiness, slyness, wiliness, craft astuteness, perspicaciousness, perspicacity, shrewdness - intelligence

Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon

2012-12-26 Thread David Roberson
You are asking very good questions. I have given this a little thought over the years and there are certain things that seem likely to happen. It has been proven that a gravity field causes time to dilate. A very large field will cause it to dilate a lot. A black hole has an extremely large

Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon

2012-12-26 Thread David Roberson
I am thinking along the line of the second concept that you list at the end. The photon would cease to exist at any energy if allowed to continue by itself from the spaceship that is infinitesimally close to the boundary. So, instead, the second ship intercepts it and any modulation it

Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon

2012-12-26 Thread David Roberson
Abd, it is all in the perception of the various observers. Each one does not detect anything special about their own situation. We, as the far off guys, see the fellow on the ship being affected by the gravitational field he is within. That field is so intense that we see it slow his time

Re: [Vo]:[OT]:Question About Event Horizon

2012-12-26 Thread David Roberson
OK, I guess that I am modifying my beliefs as we consider the implications of this system. I think you are correct in the assumption that the mass of the ship does not reach infinity at the horizon. If we assume that no energy is created out of thin air then the mass of the ship must increase